what about what he did to Becka? that was sadistic To explain, he became enraged that Becka would want to be faithful to her HUMAN, mortal husband. So Homelander wasn't aloof during that event and I'd argue the "sadistic joy" applies to him then, or when he asked that girl to jump to her death.
One of the things that is soo tragic about Butcher becoming a supe is that he’s seems fully healthy and can use his powers when he gives in to Kesler and chooses violence but is very sick and on the verge of dying when ever chooses do the right thing and believe in Ryan. Kinda feels like he gets to prolong his (said to be shortened) lifespan as long as he goes full menace.
16:00 This scene always gets me, the way he smiles when she says "Sunshine" is such a good addition - I like to imagine that Homelander is telling himself that Madelyn is calling *him* Sunshine, and that's why he smiles.
Thanks for the vid! Strong points! I think yes Butcher’s character development shows decline instead of growth by S4. When he was a teen, he didn’t hit his brother on purpose, he lashed out when his brother was trying to stop him and when he realized it was his brother, there was instant regret. His brother was his canary/conscience, and now Hughie is. To me, Butcher isn’t a so much a narcissist as he is unaffected by people seeing him as the villain, he would be that if it meant it got him to rid the world of the evil that hurt him… in exacting his revenge - which he has been consumed by and which drives him. He is a huge cautionary tale to heroes everywhere. I love that you mentioned the older sibling thing. They also tend to clash with only children, like Butcher clashes with Annie/Starlight on the things they are similar about but don’t want to see, that they need to consider other people’s perspectives rather than thinking they know best even though they can be so self-sacrificing.
man butchers childhood hits close to home. the stuff i dealt with was (almost) all mental, but still, it leaves an impact. in both cases, the marks left on your psyche will always last so so much longer than the ones on your body. i hope anyone dealing with that sort of situation can find help, and a better place where you can feel safe and loved and wanted. great video.
@loganr6203 thanks man. :) shits rough but im tryin to hang in there. im havin a rough week (i get a mean flu every winter and cus of that my voice is completely shot from coughing) so gettin some encouraging words in my notifs was pretty nice. have a good one
In a way I do feel bad for Homelander. Yes, he’s evil. Yes, he’s a psychopath. Yes, he needs to be killed. However what butcher doesn’t, to an extent, homelander has the benefit of pointing out the problem. If it weren’t for the scientist and had he grown up similar to Ryan he most likely wouldn’t be a bloodlustful idol and maybe even genuinely be the superhero. Butcher however DIDNT have that kind of childhood and while his father is awful rather than trying to be something more than his father, especially after seen the result of what that path would like after inadvertently getting his brother killed, he ultimately became the thing he hated. Whether homelander existed or not that doesn’t change the fact that butcher was eventually going to be this God awful person one way or another. Homelanders just the excuse at this point to justify those violent tendencies
I think you hit on the head why it bugs me that MM is often willing to defer leadership to Butcher. Butcher blantantly uses people more often than not, yet these otherwise mostly smart characters that make up The Boys are swindled
I think you hit on the head why it bugs me that MM is often willing to defer leadership to Butcher. Butcher blantantly uses people more often than not, yet these otherwise mostly smart characters are swindled
9:34 as the firstborn I’m ngl I can kinda confirm this, I’ve always had difficulty asking for help but I would do anything to help others maybe that’s why when I first watched the boys I loved butcher as a character but just like homelander he has very obvious flaws, I used to say sometimes I have a savior complex because I had a girlfriend at one point who was being emotionally abused by her controlling parents I would’ve let her move in with me if we were adults at the time just to get her away from them. Also once snuck my best friend into the camper I was living in against my parents wishes because he was homeless at the time and had nowhere else to go. It’s good to have a heart that cares deeply for other people but I’ve learned the hard way sometimes either things aren’t as they seem or that you have to watch out for yourself and be smart about it as well
When I get nervous about where the show is heading, it’s because I’m not sure if the creators think of Butcher as a villain in any way. But I’m hoping I’m wrong!
Ahaha. Yes, they think his a villain, yes they Show in most of the scenes with him. and it is obvious that they are heading towards some kind of repetition of the comic book ending, where the final villain who betrayed and killed boys is Butcher.
I think it would be really cool if you did a video about Hughie! I’m really interested in how he’s changed as a charcter throughout the series. Great video!
6:40 i think it's extremely insulting to say he went more backwards then forward. His father never even bothered to move forward, considering the actions required to be signs of weakness. Sure Butcher may have faltered and fell, but he goddamn tried. and that alone puts him miles ahead of his old man. In that sense he's already moved FAR forward so saying he's moved back more then forward is insulting. it implies he's no better then his p.o.s. father
I don't know if I'm overthinking it, but season 5 ending with either one of them winning would make the story "shallow." I feel like their arc would benefit from a more "up for interpretation" ending
No. Up to interpretation would be awful for this story. Homelander and butcher dying have to happen. Hughie IS the main character and this should end with him like it began with him.
@DivineNaruto I didn't mean the matter of their deaths being questionable. I meant make butcher just as reprehensible as homelander or make butcher lose even more than he has so when he "wins" it feels empty. am I making sense ?
Disagree on the "up to interpretation" thing, but I keep saying a lot of people are in for a rude awakening if they think Butcher is going to be rewarded with some triumphant victory of Homelander. They literally turned him into a giant tumor, but so many fans still don't understand the point they're making with Butcher. But this video? This person gets it.
i hope on the show the showdown between this two would be better then on the comics. they maked black noir as a homelander clone to comited all the crimes that homelander didn´t.
I can see your point. The Best Rivals are the ones the when The Heroes and The Villains are Literally The Same People. Butcher was abused by his own father and Homelander was raised by Scientists who treated him terribly. Karl Urban and Anthony Starr were Perfectly Legendary Together and I’m excited to see How Billy Butcher and John/The Homelander Rivalry will end in The Season 5 of The Boys and The Final Season of The Boys.
their head to head meeting and convo in season 3 represented everything about their dynamic. one of my favorite scenes in the whole show
Tripped me out cuz only recently I realized that the conversation actually happened and wasn’t in Butcher’s head.
GREAT point that Butcher needs to lean on other people for his conscience.
It's interesting that Homelander was cruel through narcissistic aloofness, Butcher was cruel through sadistic joy
what about what he did to Becka? that was sadistic
To explain, he became enraged that Becka would want to be faithful to her HUMAN, mortal husband. So Homelander wasn't aloof during that event and I'd argue the "sadistic joy" applies to him then, or when he asked that girl to jump to her death.
One of the things that is soo tragic about Butcher becoming a supe is that he’s seems fully healthy and can use his powers when he gives in to Kesler and chooses violence but is very sick and on the verge of dying when ever chooses do the right thing and believe in Ryan. Kinda feels like he gets to prolong his (said to be shortened) lifespan as long as he goes full menace.
16:00 This scene always gets me, the way he smiles when she says "Sunshine" is such a good addition - I like to imagine that Homelander is telling himself that Madelyn is calling *him* Sunshine, and that's why he smiles.
Thanks for the vid! Strong points!
I think yes Butcher’s character development shows decline instead of growth by S4. When he was a teen, he didn’t hit his brother on purpose, he lashed out when his brother was trying to stop him and when he realized it was his brother, there was instant regret. His brother was his canary/conscience, and now Hughie is. To me, Butcher isn’t a so much a narcissist as he is unaffected by people seeing him as the villain, he would be that if it meant it got him to rid the world of the evil that hurt him… in exacting his revenge - which he has been consumed by and which drives him. He is a huge cautionary tale to heroes everywhere.
I love that you mentioned the older sibling thing. They also tend to clash with only children, like Butcher clashes with Annie/Starlight on the things they are similar about but don’t want to see, that they need to consider other people’s perspectives rather than thinking they know best even though they can be so self-sacrificing.
man butchers childhood hits close to home. the stuff i dealt with was (almost) all mental, but still, it leaves an impact. in both cases, the marks left on your psyche will always last so so much longer than the ones on your body. i hope anyone dealing with that sort of situation can find help, and a better place where you can feel safe and loved and wanted. great video.
I hope you are doing good my friend 😢
@@comadoof184 trying my best. i appreciate the kind words
I hear you. I hope you are doing well
@loganr6203 thanks man. :) shits rough but im tryin to hang in there. im havin a rough week (i get a mean flu every winter and cus of that my voice is completely shot from coughing) so gettin some encouraging words in my notifs was pretty nice. have a good one
This is the parallel video I’ve been searching for years
In a way I do feel bad for Homelander. Yes, he’s evil. Yes, he’s a psychopath. Yes, he needs to be killed. However what butcher doesn’t, to an extent, homelander has the benefit of pointing out the problem. If it weren’t for the scientist and had he grown up similar to Ryan he most likely wouldn’t be a bloodlustful idol and maybe even genuinely be the superhero. Butcher however DIDNT have that kind of childhood and while his father is awful rather than trying to be something more than his father, especially after seen the result of what that path would like after inadvertently getting his brother killed, he ultimately became the thing he hated. Whether homelander existed or not that doesn’t change the fact that butcher was eventually going to be this God awful person one way or another. Homelanders just the excuse at this point to justify those violent tendencies
10:46 MM's face turns into a literal owl and i'm not joking.
I think you hit on the head why it bugs me that MM is often willing to defer leadership to Butcher. Butcher blantantly uses people more often than not, yet these otherwise mostly smart characters that make up The Boys are swindled
I think you hit on the head why it bugs me that MM is often willing to defer leadership to Butcher. Butcher blantantly uses people more often than not, yet these otherwise mostly smart characters are swindled
9:34 as the firstborn I’m ngl I can kinda confirm this, I’ve always had difficulty asking for help but I would do anything to help others maybe that’s why when I first watched the boys I loved butcher as a character but just like homelander he has very obvious flaws, I used to say sometimes I have a savior complex because I had a girlfriend at one point who was being emotionally abused by her controlling parents I would’ve let her move in with me if we were adults at the time just to get her away from them. Also once snuck my best friend into the camper I was living in against my parents wishes because he was homeless at the time and had nowhere else to go. It’s good to have a heart that cares deeply for other people but I’ve learned the hard way sometimes either things aren’t as they seem or that you have to watch out for yourself and be smart about it as well
Okay you just made me view Butcher differently. Great video dude👍
When I get nervous about where the show is heading, it’s because I’m not sure if the creators think of Butcher as a villain in any way. But I’m hoping I’m wrong!
Did you not see the ending of season 4
Ahaha. Yes, they think his a villain, yes they Show in most of the scenes with him. and it is obvious that they are heading towards some kind of repetition of the comic book ending, where the final villain who betrayed and killed boys is Butcher.
it couldn't be more on the nose , what do you mean you're not sure??
This video is work of art, like seriously, you probably put more effort into that, than most of my collegues put into their thesis 🙏
I think it would be really cool if you did a video about Hughie! I’m really interested in how he’s changed as a charcter throughout the series. Great video!
6:40 i think it's extremely insulting to say he went more backwards then forward.
His father never even bothered to move forward, considering the actions required to be signs of weakness.
Sure Butcher may have faltered and fell, but he goddamn tried.
and that alone puts him miles ahead of his old man.
In that sense he's already moved FAR forward
so saying he's moved back more then forward is insulting.
it implies he's no better then his p.o.s. father
Got the algorithm working overtime
I don't know if I'm overthinking it, but season 5 ending with either one of them winning would make the story "shallow."
I feel like their arc would benefit from a more "up for interpretation" ending
Or they both lose in one way or another
No. Up to interpretation would be awful for this story. Homelander and butcher dying have to happen. Hughie IS the main character and this should end with him like it began with him.
@DivineNaruto I didn't mean the matter of their deaths being questionable. I meant make butcher just as reprehensible as homelander or make butcher lose even more than he has so when he "wins" it feels empty.
am I making sense ?
Disagree on the "up to interpretation" thing, but I keep saying a lot of people are in for a rude awakening if they think Butcher is going to be rewarded with some triumphant victory of Homelander. They literally turned him into a giant tumor, but so many fans still don't understand the point they're making with Butcher. But this video? This person gets it.
i hope on the show the showdown between this two would be better then on the comics. they maked black noir as a homelander clone to comited all the crimes that homelander didn´t.
Butcher also became what he swore to destroy. IE a supe.
Excellent Job on this video. It hits home
I can see your point. The Best Rivals are the ones the when The Heroes and The Villains are Literally The Same People. Butcher was abused by his own father and Homelander was raised by Scientists who treated him terribly. Karl Urban and Anthony Starr were Perfectly Legendary Together and I’m excited to see How Billy Butcher and John/The Homelander Rivalry will end in The Season 5 of The Boys and The Final Season of The Boys.
Very well done video essay.
13:29 honestly compared to all the other people homelander has been pissed off by how do you say Randy setec got off easy!
Do a prediction video on Soldier Boy for Season 5
They are pretty similar butcher is just a more likable homelander