Poor Man's Hellcat Ep11: Challenges of Upgrading To A Newer Hemi Engine

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  • @Basslightning666
    @Basslightning666 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for the knowledge! Not a mechanic here, just a muscle car knucklehead...lol Great content!

  • @tedll75
    @tedll75 Рік тому +5

    Awesome video!! Learned a lot!! Very fun video! I don't think anyone who has ever had a project car, hasn't had to redo work at some point. We all have done it, and we will all likely do it again! You are doing a great job! Totally enjoy this build!

  • @hizo64HH
    @hizo64HH Рік тому

    You're channel is sooo underrated! I fell in love with my '06 Charger R/T all over again.

  • @Daniel-pf4lg
    @Daniel-pf4lg Рік тому +2

    I swapped my 07 5.7 with a 2019 6.4L. I used a 2009 5.7 computer, swapped the crank position sensor and tuned with HP tuners. Worked a charm. Also kept VVT function of the 6.4 motor

    • @lloyddecker2965
      @lloyddecker2965 Рік тому

      did the 2009 ecu hook up to bcm on the 07 any check engine light?

    • @Daniel-pf4lg
      @Daniel-pf4lg Рік тому +1

      @@lloyddecker2965 had one CEL for TCM ECM Compatibility but I tuned out the cel and have had no issues with Limp mode or any odd effects.

    • @taylorpratt6287
      @taylorpratt6287 Рік тому

      @@Daniel-pf4lg can you elaborate on tuning out the issue? Is it a simple option in Hptuners?

    • @jerryelcherry6753
      @jerryelcherry6753 Рік тому

      I Did a similar swap on a 08 Srt jeep that blew the 6.1 & i installed a 6.4 from a 2020 scatpack i just have to bypass the skim, what wiring modifications did u do from the 07 harness to run on the 09 pcm

    • @jerryelcherry6753
      @jerryelcherry6753 Рік тому

      I got a code for cam sensor & tcm can bus C, did you use the cam sensor from the 07 5.7? Cause i used a cam sensor from a 2010 5.7

  • @MM_in_Havasu
    @MM_in_Havasu Рік тому +1

    Very informative video! Thanks for sharing this info with all of us!

  • @captainboose8788
    @captainboose8788 Рік тому +2

    Great video as always; yeah overlooked details like that suck. I am putting a set of Eagle heads on a Pre Eagle block; with 0.075 Gaskets it will set compression right at 10.8 to 1

    • @ReignitedAuto
      @ReignitedAuto  Рік тому +2

      I'd love to hear your back to back impressions on the swap 👌

  • @kailuagarage
    @kailuagarage Рік тому +2

    My 05 truck hemi had a 3 bolt wheel, but my SCAT stroker crank had a four bolt pattern, so I could not transfer it over. But SCAT does sell the 34 tooth, four bolt wheel, and that worked fine

  • @The3chordwonder
    @The3chordwonder Рік тому +2

    Of course I have no basis for this other than believing that OEM's don't do this, but I would be surprised if the tone wheels aren't already neutral balanced. Because if they weren't, the cranks, likely made in one location would have to be final ground/balanced in the engine assembly after they get the tone wheels, likely from a different supplier. I would be shocked if Dodge balanced their engines in-house, I bet each crank is balanced to a "typical" bob weight before it leaves the factory that cast them.
    It's nice that the tone wheels bolt on, the LS ones are interference fit, which also means that there isn't an easy way to make sure they are clocked right when you heat one up and slide it on. Also the LS ones are thin pair of wheels riveted together, and are much easier to damage if you set the crank down on a table. The Dodge ones look to be a lot stiffer.
    Glad to hear you are going to tune with HP Tuners. I am a big fan of using the OEM PCM's, even if it means you need to chop the harness up and disable certain inputs. The knock sensor data on the OEMs are in my opinion always going to be more reliable than aftermarkets because you know Dodge spent lots of development time tweaking the sound signature to detect true knock, instead of false positives that an aftermarket PCM might not recognize is false knock.

    • @ReignitedAuto
      @ReignitedAuto  Рік тому

      That makes a lot of sense Tucker you're probably correct. I'm definitely interested to see how I like using the HP tuners, I'm planning on taking this build to a professional tuner to have it dialed in. Hopefully they've got experience with HP tuners and can give me some tips.

    • @The3chordwonder
      @The3chordwonder Рік тому

      @@ReignitedAuto After you buy it, I'd check out the forums, there are quite a few great tuners on there, some of them are even willing to help a bit. It's a bit out of my budget right now, but Greg Banish used to be a calibration engineer for Dodge, so he knows them like the back of his hand. He offers tuning classes which are supposedly very good. The tough part is that to really tune correctly, you need a dyno that can keep a load on the wheels. That way you can dial in every cell in the maps, including the ones you would almost never hit on the street. The neural tuning that dodge uses is really confusing to me, but I am by no means a tuner - I'm just a regular dude that knows enough to cause problems lol

  • @dfre6422
    @dfre6422 Рік тому

    Don't let a qc at a nuclear plant see that second click. Instant termination for sabotage due to overtorqueing. As far as balance on the crank, that new tone ring lightened the mass up a little, but doubtful that it will affect harmonics enough to ever notice it.

  • @zhp9
    @zhp9 Рік тому +2

    I was thinking about swapping a newer 5.7 into my 08 charger rt and I appreciate the good info! Can't wait to see if it works

  • @tomcooper920
    @tomcooper920 Рік тому

    Glad you realized the tone wheel problem now. It would have sucked to realize the problem after you were ready to start it.

  • @adamorenczak6992
    @adamorenczak6992 Рік тому +2

    I run a boosted engine in my 05 dodge Magnum. Early 05s built in 04 had an issue with some of the PCMs. Mine would command 30% throttle when it was at light throttle and it crossed over from vacuum into boost. This would take me on a ride for 8-10 seconds. I had to switch to an 06 srt PCM.

    • @ReignitedAuto
      @ReignitedAuto  Рік тому +1

      Yikes! I'll definitely be on the look out for that! 😬

    • @adamorenczak6992
      @adamorenczak6992 Рік тому +1

      Great channel by the way. I follow every post.

    • @ReignitedAuto
      @ReignitedAuto  Рік тому

      @@adamorenczak6992 appreciate you watching! 👊

  • @1trailwalker
    @1trailwalker Рік тому

    I always appreciate your honesty

  • @jeremypike9153
    @jeremypike9153 Рік тому +1

    Out of balance crankshafts just beat the main bearing out of the engine much quicker. They run and do the things they are supposed to do other than beat up the mains. That oscillation probably follows into the flex plate and torque converter though something to think about

    • @ReignitedAuto
      @ReignitedAuto  Рік тому +1

      That's definitely true Jeremy, I just know myself and I never hardly use my builds long enough to worry about stuff that could eventually happen lol!

    • @jeremypike9153
      @jeremypike9153 Рік тому +1

      @@ReignitedAuto it's possible that the ring itself is balanced and probably pretty likely considering it bolts to the crankshaft. Manufacturers are usually pretty good at thinking ahead. Plus the ring being replaceable it makes sense that they wouldn't want to have to balance the crank and ring together.

  • @derekprice5510
    @derekprice5510 Рік тому +1

    When you mentioned the tone wheel settings in HP Tuners in a previous video I went to my HP Tuners and checked and did not find it. I have a 05 5.7 in a 02 Dakota with the 05 ECM. Right now I am thinking about swapping it to a 5.7 Eagle or 6.4 for some more power. I am also tinkering with using the a 2014 Ram ECM for the Eagle engine and keeping the 02 Dakota instrument cluster. Working on seeing how to adapt the 2 different BUS signals in the ECM/BCM/Cluster. PCI and CCD bus signals.

    • @ReignitedAuto
      @ReignitedAuto  Рік тому

      Love it! Let me know how it goes for you 👍. Also, I highly recommend going with the 6.4- it's a big increase in power/torque over the 5.7 in my opinion.

  • @davidhenson3372
    @davidhenson3372 Рік тому +1

    That was the sound on that 1\4" ratchet's gears popping a tooth!!! Haha

  • @Airwalkz23
    @Airwalkz23 Рік тому +1

    I could be wrong but if your running the 05 to 08 magnum PCM and wiring with the sensors you will need to run the older reluctor wheel HP tuners will determine based off of year and model of vehicle and pcm

    • @ReignitedAuto
      @ReignitedAuto  Рік тому +1

      Yep that's correct, that's what I'm addressing in this video 👍

    • @Daniel-pf4lg
      @Daniel-pf4lg Рік тому +1

      Mostly true. I used an 09 charger computer modified the harness (only 4 wires and a couple pigtails) and swapped the crank sensor to match the pcm. Didn't have to swap the reluctor wheel.

  • @davestewart9146
    @davestewart9146 Рік тому

    Always learning, thank you sir 👍😁

  • @donaldpowers5557
    @donaldpowers5557 Рік тому +1

    I've got a 2012 engine and trans and gen 1 and 2 dakotas. May swap that way. Since I would have to swap the wheel to put it a hydrolocked 04 ram.
    So ill be watching.

    • @ReignitedAuto
      @ReignitedAuto  Рік тому

      That would be a fun truck for sure! You've probably already seen boosted motorsports Hellcat swapped Dakota, pretty impressive especially with the modern interior!

    • @donaldpowers5557
      @donaldpowers5557 Рік тому

      @@ReignitedAuto yea I don't miss much . So I'm paying attention to engine controllers. The difference between the 5.9 magmun and 5.7 hemi is about 150 hp. And the magnum isn't a slouch . 2300 stall mother mopars performance computer. That 150 would come in hard 3500 and up. Thanks for the reply. Don

  • @brendanbuster
    @brendanbuster Рік тому +1

    So you'll be using 09+ crank, block, AND cam/cam gear/timing cover? With 08-down crank reluctor wheel? I've heard the VVT cams/crank had longer snouts to accommodate the VVT oiling. If everything you're saying is correct, people with 05-08 Hemis can swap in a 09+ just by 1) changing the reluctor wheel and 2) locking the cam phaser. That'd be huge, the Eagle is a massive upgrade--better heads, intake manifold, and more compression...just asking for a lumpy cam.

    • @ReignitedAuto
      @ReignitedAuto  Рік тому +1

      Yep, that's exactly the goal here 👍. The crank is actually the same length overall, but the oil pump is pushed out 17mm so the crank snout is actually a little shorter on the vvt engines.

    • @captainboose8788
      @captainboose8788 Рік тому

      That is exactly what you can do; lock VVT and swap wheels and you are set; I'm actually going the other way, Eagle heads on Pre Eagle block, because I am going for high compression NA build

  • @solargarage
    @solargarage Рік тому +1

    Awesome build.

    • @ReignitedAuto
      @ReignitedAuto  Рік тому

      Like a glacier, she's slowing coming together 😄

  • @MichaelRadelet
    @MichaelRadelet Рік тому

    As someone that works in a machine shop, completely wrong about no one using machine shops. Busiest we have ever been. Ya it can takes months to get to a job and the parts shortages aren’t helping any

    • @MichaelRadelet
      @MichaelRadelet Рік тому

      As a dealer technician, it may seem that shops aren’t used but dealerships tend to just bolt on new parts rather than rebuild stuff. Just seems to be the way warranties work now.

    • @ReignitedAuto
      @ReignitedAuto  Рік тому

      I thought about it more after the video and realized what the issue is: we have been steadily losing machine shops for years, so the remaining shops are always slammed. No offense intended, always good to throw a jab back and forth between mechanics and machinists 👍

    • @MichaelRadelet
      @MichaelRadelet Рік тому +1

      @@ReignitedAuto didn’t take anything offensively. Just giving my perspective because some viewers don’t get subtlety or nuance. But yes you are correct. Just in the city I’m in we want from 4 to 1 in just a few years. And surrounding cities are also losing shops quite steadily.

    • @MichaelRadelet
      @MichaelRadelet Рік тому +1

      @@ReignitedAuto and side note I wouldn’t worry about the tone wheel balancing personally. If you were going to balance the whole rotating assembly prior to assembly then for sure balance with the wheel you are intending to use

  • @cTpy40k1
    @cTpy40k1 Рік тому +1

    Greetings, Sky!
    I’ve joined your channel several months ago and already enjoyed Cheap Hemi Challenge series😃
    I have a question: I’ve just swapped my 2019 Challenger from 3.6 to 5.7 and guys just shut off the MDS without replacing lifters (is that correct? English is not my native, sorry), so I have all 8 cyls working constantly. Is it okay to run this engine with MDS shut off, but with MDS lifters? I’d be really pleased to hear. Thanks👌🏼💪🏼

    • @ReignitedAuto
      @ReignitedAuto  Рік тому +1

      Yep, there's no problem at all running the Hemi engine with the MDS system turned off completely using a tuner. 👍

  • @ronbo422
    @ronbo422 Рік тому +1

    I laughed out loud at "CLICK.....CLICK". 😂

  • @imnotthatcreative6894
    @imnotthatcreative6894 Рік тому +1

    The most sarcastic “click” on the internet right here 😂

  • @josephsimkus1382
    @josephsimkus1382 Рік тому

    Off topic a little but would replacement parts for gen lll hemi work for new gen lll eagle hemi, example water pumps, gaskets? because its doesn’t look like much changed for shape and bolt patterns.

  • @ysn4217
    @ysn4217 15 днів тому

    2006 rt charger 2018 5.7 eagle head and 6.1 intake manifold swap. 5.7 injectors. new spark plugs. Just got a tune. Grounds are good. Ran perfect before bolt ons Cranks but won't start unless throttling then dies immediately it was doing it before the tune after I installed everything This my daily need some info asap ANYTHING HELPS!!!!! Also isn’t throwing any major codes that would be a problem

    • @ReignitedAuto
      @ReignitedAuto  15 днів тому

      Are you using the stock length pushrods after the cylinder head swap, or are you using the longer one from the eagle heads? The 5.7 injectors, are they stock from the vehicle, or newer 5.7 injectors?

  • @lowlifegarage
    @lowlifegarage 6 місяців тому

    Funny, ill torque every bolt onna customers car. Mine, eh it'll be fine

  • @Toxichemi345
    @Toxichemi345 Рік тому

    This is the kind of person you wouldn’t want to build your motor build first check later to see if it will work

    • @ReignitedAuto
      @ReignitedAuto  Рік тому

      So does that mean you don't want the engine you ordered?

  • @nedunonnyp704
    @nedunonnyp704 Рік тому

    03:05 Since this a Truck Engine I'm Guessing You Mean SUV.. However, How about A 5.7 Ram Pickup Truck Engines In A Magnum?
    Can A Ram 5.7 Engine Swap in A Magnum Be ̶P̶o̶s̶s̶i̶b̶l̶e̶ Feasible?

  • @jenniferchavez897
    @jenniferchavez897 Рік тому

    I have a question i recently had 2006 dodge magnum rt 5.7 engine rebuild i was wondering at how many mile can i switch to synthetic i recently switched to synthetic at 1000 miles been running synthetic for about 700 miles i was told recently that it was a bad idea to switch to synthetic at 1000 miles

  • @jessemiller6703
    @jessemiller6703 Рік тому +1

    👍

  • @jonathanhendrix2925
    @jonathanhendrix2925 Рік тому

    Gonna be a whole year before this engine gets started🙄

    • @ReignitedAuto
      @ReignitedAuto  Рік тому

      It might go quicker if you buy 1000 t- shirts so I can quit my day job 😄

  • @chosenone9337
    @chosenone9337 Рік тому

    58 teeth wheel, not 60

  • @dougbarnes2031
    @dougbarnes2031 Рік тому

    I love watching your videos I have questions but I do not know how to get ahold of you. Please get ahold of me.

  • @ewconway
    @ewconway Рік тому +1

    OMG, so complicated this build…… i realize this is a one-off engine fabrication build, but my God all the mods and change ups that need to be done is mind boggling…… just sayin…..

    • @ReignitedAuto
      @ReignitedAuto  Рік тому +1

      You are absolutely correct, this is a complicated mess 😂especially the next episode you'll see it get even more complex, but that's just how I like to build things, I like to complicate my life un-necessarily haha!

    • @ewconway
      @ewconway Рік тому

      @@ReignitedAuto unnecessary complication I think should be the name of this build. Ha ha lol 😂

    • @captainboose8788
      @captainboose8788 Рік тому +1

      Overlooked details; it's not that complicated to swap reluctor wheels and lock VVT

  • @Edthegearhead
    @Edthegearhead Рік тому +1

    My favorite thing about modern engines is not having to clean gasket cement, rtv, gasket sealer, whatever you want to call it off of all the gasket surfaces

  • @bigc7525
    @bigc7525 Рік тому

    1

  • @SlappySlapperman
    @SlappySlapperman Рік тому

    This is a handy series, I have a 05 Magnum with the 3.5, and wanna "upgrade" it soon to a 6.1 or 6.2....