Awesome video!! Learned a lot!! Very fun video! I don't think anyone who has ever had a project car, hasn't had to redo work at some point. We all have done it, and we will all likely do it again! You are doing a great job! Totally enjoy this build!
I swapped my 07 5.7 with a 2019 6.4L. I used a 2009 5.7 computer, swapped the crank position sensor and tuned with HP tuners. Worked a charm. Also kept VVT function of the 6.4 motor
I Did a similar swap on a 08 Srt jeep that blew the 6.1 & i installed a 6.4 from a 2020 scatpack i just have to bypass the skim, what wiring modifications did u do from the 07 harness to run on the 09 pcm
Great video as always; yeah overlooked details like that suck. I am putting a set of Eagle heads on a Pre Eagle block; with 0.075 Gaskets it will set compression right at 10.8 to 1
My 05 truck hemi had a 3 bolt wheel, but my SCAT stroker crank had a four bolt pattern, so I could not transfer it over. But SCAT does sell the 34 tooth, four bolt wheel, and that worked fine
Of course I have no basis for this other than believing that OEM's don't do this, but I would be surprised if the tone wheels aren't already neutral balanced. Because if they weren't, the cranks, likely made in one location would have to be final ground/balanced in the engine assembly after they get the tone wheels, likely from a different supplier. I would be shocked if Dodge balanced their engines in-house, I bet each crank is balanced to a "typical" bob weight before it leaves the factory that cast them. It's nice that the tone wheels bolt on, the LS ones are interference fit, which also means that there isn't an easy way to make sure they are clocked right when you heat one up and slide it on. Also the LS ones are thin pair of wheels riveted together, and are much easier to damage if you set the crank down on a table. The Dodge ones look to be a lot stiffer. Glad to hear you are going to tune with HP Tuners. I am a big fan of using the OEM PCM's, even if it means you need to chop the harness up and disable certain inputs. The knock sensor data on the OEMs are in my opinion always going to be more reliable than aftermarkets because you know Dodge spent lots of development time tweaking the sound signature to detect true knock, instead of false positives that an aftermarket PCM might not recognize is false knock.
That makes a lot of sense Tucker you're probably correct. I'm definitely interested to see how I like using the HP tuners, I'm planning on taking this build to a professional tuner to have it dialed in. Hopefully they've got experience with HP tuners and can give me some tips.
@@ReignitedAuto After you buy it, I'd check out the forums, there are quite a few great tuners on there, some of them are even willing to help a bit. It's a bit out of my budget right now, but Greg Banish used to be a calibration engineer for Dodge, so he knows them like the back of his hand. He offers tuning classes which are supposedly very good. The tough part is that to really tune correctly, you need a dyno that can keep a load on the wheels. That way you can dial in every cell in the maps, including the ones you would almost never hit on the street. The neural tuning that dodge uses is really confusing to me, but I am by no means a tuner - I'm just a regular dude that knows enough to cause problems lol
Don't let a qc at a nuclear plant see that second click. Instant termination for sabotage due to overtorqueing. As far as balance on the crank, that new tone ring lightened the mass up a little, but doubtful that it will affect harmonics enough to ever notice it.
I run a boosted engine in my 05 dodge Magnum. Early 05s built in 04 had an issue with some of the PCMs. Mine would command 30% throttle when it was at light throttle and it crossed over from vacuum into boost. This would take me on a ride for 8-10 seconds. I had to switch to an 06 srt PCM.
Out of balance crankshafts just beat the main bearing out of the engine much quicker. They run and do the things they are supposed to do other than beat up the mains. That oscillation probably follows into the flex plate and torque converter though something to think about
@@ReignitedAuto it's possible that the ring itself is balanced and probably pretty likely considering it bolts to the crankshaft. Manufacturers are usually pretty good at thinking ahead. Plus the ring being replaceable it makes sense that they wouldn't want to have to balance the crank and ring together.
When you mentioned the tone wheel settings in HP Tuners in a previous video I went to my HP Tuners and checked and did not find it. I have a 05 5.7 in a 02 Dakota with the 05 ECM. Right now I am thinking about swapping it to a 5.7 Eagle or 6.4 for some more power. I am also tinkering with using the a 2014 Ram ECM for the Eagle engine and keeping the 02 Dakota instrument cluster. Working on seeing how to adapt the 2 different BUS signals in the ECM/BCM/Cluster. PCI and CCD bus signals.
Love it! Let me know how it goes for you 👍. Also, I highly recommend going with the 6.4- it's a big increase in power/torque over the 5.7 in my opinion.
I could be wrong but if your running the 05 to 08 magnum PCM and wiring with the sensors you will need to run the older reluctor wheel HP tuners will determine based off of year and model of vehicle and pcm
Mostly true. I used an 09 charger computer modified the harness (only 4 wires and a couple pigtails) and swapped the crank sensor to match the pcm. Didn't have to swap the reluctor wheel.
I've got a 2012 engine and trans and gen 1 and 2 dakotas. May swap that way. Since I would have to swap the wheel to put it a hydrolocked 04 ram. So ill be watching.
That would be a fun truck for sure! You've probably already seen boosted motorsports Hellcat swapped Dakota, pretty impressive especially with the modern interior!
@@ReignitedAuto yea I don't miss much . So I'm paying attention to engine controllers. The difference between the 5.9 magmun and 5.7 hemi is about 150 hp. And the magnum isn't a slouch . 2300 stall mother mopars performance computer. That 150 would come in hard 3500 and up. Thanks for the reply. Don
So you'll be using 09+ crank, block, AND cam/cam gear/timing cover? With 08-down crank reluctor wheel? I've heard the VVT cams/crank had longer snouts to accommodate the VVT oiling. If everything you're saying is correct, people with 05-08 Hemis can swap in a 09+ just by 1) changing the reluctor wheel and 2) locking the cam phaser. That'd be huge, the Eagle is a massive upgrade--better heads, intake manifold, and more compression...just asking for a lumpy cam.
Yep, that's exactly the goal here 👍. The crank is actually the same length overall, but the oil pump is pushed out 17mm so the crank snout is actually a little shorter on the vvt engines.
That is exactly what you can do; lock VVT and swap wheels and you are set; I'm actually going the other way, Eagle heads on Pre Eagle block, because I am going for high compression NA build
As someone that works in a machine shop, completely wrong about no one using machine shops. Busiest we have ever been. Ya it can takes months to get to a job and the parts shortages aren’t helping any
As a dealer technician, it may seem that shops aren’t used but dealerships tend to just bolt on new parts rather than rebuild stuff. Just seems to be the way warranties work now.
I thought about it more after the video and realized what the issue is: we have been steadily losing machine shops for years, so the remaining shops are always slammed. No offense intended, always good to throw a jab back and forth between mechanics and machinists 👍
@@ReignitedAuto didn’t take anything offensively. Just giving my perspective because some viewers don’t get subtlety or nuance. But yes you are correct. Just in the city I’m in we want from 4 to 1 in just a few years. And surrounding cities are also losing shops quite steadily.
@@ReignitedAuto and side note I wouldn’t worry about the tone wheel balancing personally. If you were going to balance the whole rotating assembly prior to assembly then for sure balance with the wheel you are intending to use
Greetings, Sky! I’ve joined your channel several months ago and already enjoyed Cheap Hemi Challenge series😃 I have a question: I’ve just swapped my 2019 Challenger from 3.6 to 5.7 and guys just shut off the MDS without replacing lifters (is that correct? English is not my native, sorry), so I have all 8 cyls working constantly. Is it okay to run this engine with MDS shut off, but with MDS lifters? I’d be really pleased to hear. Thanks👌🏼💪🏼
Off topic a little but would replacement parts for gen lll hemi work for new gen lll eagle hemi, example water pumps, gaskets? because its doesn’t look like much changed for shape and bolt patterns.
2006 rt charger 2018 5.7 eagle head and 6.1 intake manifold swap. 5.7 injectors. new spark plugs. Just got a tune. Grounds are good. Ran perfect before bolt ons Cranks but won't start unless throttling then dies immediately it was doing it before the tune after I installed everything This my daily need some info asap ANYTHING HELPS!!!!! Also isn’t throwing any major codes that would be a problem
Are you using the stock length pushrods after the cylinder head swap, or are you using the longer one from the eagle heads? The 5.7 injectors, are they stock from the vehicle, or newer 5.7 injectors?
03:05 Since this a Truck Engine I'm Guessing You Mean SUV.. However, How about A 5.7 Ram Pickup Truck Engines In A Magnum? Can A Ram 5.7 Engine Swap in A Magnum Be ̶P̶o̶s̶s̶i̶b̶l̶e̶ Feasible?
I have a question i recently had 2006 dodge magnum rt 5.7 engine rebuild i was wondering at how many mile can i switch to synthetic i recently switched to synthetic at 1000 miles been running synthetic for about 700 miles i was told recently that it was a bad idea to switch to synthetic at 1000 miles
OMG, so complicated this build…… i realize this is a one-off engine fabrication build, but my God all the mods and change ups that need to be done is mind boggling…… just sayin…..
You are absolutely correct, this is a complicated mess 😂especially the next episode you'll see it get even more complex, but that's just how I like to build things, I like to complicate my life un-necessarily haha!
My favorite thing about modern engines is not having to clean gasket cement, rtv, gasket sealer, whatever you want to call it off of all the gasket surfaces
Thanks for the knowledge! Not a mechanic here, just a muscle car knucklehead...lol Great content!
Awesome video!! Learned a lot!! Very fun video! I don't think anyone who has ever had a project car, hasn't had to redo work at some point. We all have done it, and we will all likely do it again! You are doing a great job! Totally enjoy this build!
Appreciate you watching! 👍
You're channel is sooo underrated! I fell in love with my '06 Charger R/T all over again.
I swapped my 07 5.7 with a 2019 6.4L. I used a 2009 5.7 computer, swapped the crank position sensor and tuned with HP tuners. Worked a charm. Also kept VVT function of the 6.4 motor
did the 2009 ecu hook up to bcm on the 07 any check engine light?
@@lloyddecker2965 had one CEL for TCM ECM Compatibility but I tuned out the cel and have had no issues with Limp mode or any odd effects.
@@Daniel-pf4lg can you elaborate on tuning out the issue? Is it a simple option in Hptuners?
I Did a similar swap on a 08 Srt jeep that blew the 6.1 & i installed a 6.4 from a 2020 scatpack i just have to bypass the skim, what wiring modifications did u do from the 07 harness to run on the 09 pcm
I got a code for cam sensor & tcm can bus C, did you use the cam sensor from the 07 5.7? Cause i used a cam sensor from a 2010 5.7
Very informative video! Thanks for sharing this info with all of us!
Great video as always; yeah overlooked details like that suck. I am putting a set of Eagle heads on a Pre Eagle block; with 0.075 Gaskets it will set compression right at 10.8 to 1
I'd love to hear your back to back impressions on the swap 👌
My 05 truck hemi had a 3 bolt wheel, but my SCAT stroker crank had a four bolt pattern, so I could not transfer it over. But SCAT does sell the 34 tooth, four bolt wheel, and that worked fine
Good info thanks Gary!
Of course I have no basis for this other than believing that OEM's don't do this, but I would be surprised if the tone wheels aren't already neutral balanced. Because if they weren't, the cranks, likely made in one location would have to be final ground/balanced in the engine assembly after they get the tone wheels, likely from a different supplier. I would be shocked if Dodge balanced their engines in-house, I bet each crank is balanced to a "typical" bob weight before it leaves the factory that cast them.
It's nice that the tone wheels bolt on, the LS ones are interference fit, which also means that there isn't an easy way to make sure they are clocked right when you heat one up and slide it on. Also the LS ones are thin pair of wheels riveted together, and are much easier to damage if you set the crank down on a table. The Dodge ones look to be a lot stiffer.
Glad to hear you are going to tune with HP Tuners. I am a big fan of using the OEM PCM's, even if it means you need to chop the harness up and disable certain inputs. The knock sensor data on the OEMs are in my opinion always going to be more reliable than aftermarkets because you know Dodge spent lots of development time tweaking the sound signature to detect true knock, instead of false positives that an aftermarket PCM might not recognize is false knock.
That makes a lot of sense Tucker you're probably correct. I'm definitely interested to see how I like using the HP tuners, I'm planning on taking this build to a professional tuner to have it dialed in. Hopefully they've got experience with HP tuners and can give me some tips.
@@ReignitedAuto After you buy it, I'd check out the forums, there are quite a few great tuners on there, some of them are even willing to help a bit. It's a bit out of my budget right now, but Greg Banish used to be a calibration engineer for Dodge, so he knows them like the back of his hand. He offers tuning classes which are supposedly very good. The tough part is that to really tune correctly, you need a dyno that can keep a load on the wheels. That way you can dial in every cell in the maps, including the ones you would almost never hit on the street. The neural tuning that dodge uses is really confusing to me, but I am by no means a tuner - I'm just a regular dude that knows enough to cause problems lol
Don't let a qc at a nuclear plant see that second click. Instant termination for sabotage due to overtorqueing. As far as balance on the crank, that new tone ring lightened the mass up a little, but doubtful that it will affect harmonics enough to ever notice it.
I was thinking about swapping a newer 5.7 into my 08 charger rt and I appreciate the good info! Can't wait to see if it works
Me too! Thanks for watching 👍
Glad you realized the tone wheel problem now. It would have sucked to realize the problem after you were ready to start it.
I run a boosted engine in my 05 dodge Magnum. Early 05s built in 04 had an issue with some of the PCMs. Mine would command 30% throttle when it was at light throttle and it crossed over from vacuum into boost. This would take me on a ride for 8-10 seconds. I had to switch to an 06 srt PCM.
Yikes! I'll definitely be on the look out for that! 😬
Great channel by the way. I follow every post.
@@adamorenczak6992 appreciate you watching! 👊
I always appreciate your honesty
Out of balance crankshafts just beat the main bearing out of the engine much quicker. They run and do the things they are supposed to do other than beat up the mains. That oscillation probably follows into the flex plate and torque converter though something to think about
That's definitely true Jeremy, I just know myself and I never hardly use my builds long enough to worry about stuff that could eventually happen lol!
@@ReignitedAuto it's possible that the ring itself is balanced and probably pretty likely considering it bolts to the crankshaft. Manufacturers are usually pretty good at thinking ahead. Plus the ring being replaceable it makes sense that they wouldn't want to have to balance the crank and ring together.
When you mentioned the tone wheel settings in HP Tuners in a previous video I went to my HP Tuners and checked and did not find it. I have a 05 5.7 in a 02 Dakota with the 05 ECM. Right now I am thinking about swapping it to a 5.7 Eagle or 6.4 for some more power. I am also tinkering with using the a 2014 Ram ECM for the Eagle engine and keeping the 02 Dakota instrument cluster. Working on seeing how to adapt the 2 different BUS signals in the ECM/BCM/Cluster. PCI and CCD bus signals.
Love it! Let me know how it goes for you 👍. Also, I highly recommend going with the 6.4- it's a big increase in power/torque over the 5.7 in my opinion.
That was the sound on that 1\4" ratchet's gears popping a tooth!!! Haha
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I could be wrong but if your running the 05 to 08 magnum PCM and wiring with the sensors you will need to run the older reluctor wheel HP tuners will determine based off of year and model of vehicle and pcm
Yep that's correct, that's what I'm addressing in this video 👍
Mostly true. I used an 09 charger computer modified the harness (only 4 wires and a couple pigtails) and swapped the crank sensor to match the pcm. Didn't have to swap the reluctor wheel.
Always learning, thank you sir 👍😁
I've got a 2012 engine and trans and gen 1 and 2 dakotas. May swap that way. Since I would have to swap the wheel to put it a hydrolocked 04 ram.
So ill be watching.
That would be a fun truck for sure! You've probably already seen boosted motorsports Hellcat swapped Dakota, pretty impressive especially with the modern interior!
@@ReignitedAuto yea I don't miss much . So I'm paying attention to engine controllers. The difference between the 5.9 magmun and 5.7 hemi is about 150 hp. And the magnum isn't a slouch . 2300 stall mother mopars performance computer. That 150 would come in hard 3500 and up. Thanks for the reply. Don
So you'll be using 09+ crank, block, AND cam/cam gear/timing cover? With 08-down crank reluctor wheel? I've heard the VVT cams/crank had longer snouts to accommodate the VVT oiling. If everything you're saying is correct, people with 05-08 Hemis can swap in a 09+ just by 1) changing the reluctor wheel and 2) locking the cam phaser. That'd be huge, the Eagle is a massive upgrade--better heads, intake manifold, and more compression...just asking for a lumpy cam.
Yep, that's exactly the goal here 👍. The crank is actually the same length overall, but the oil pump is pushed out 17mm so the crank snout is actually a little shorter on the vvt engines.
That is exactly what you can do; lock VVT and swap wheels and you are set; I'm actually going the other way, Eagle heads on Pre Eagle block, because I am going for high compression NA build
Awesome build.
Like a glacier, she's slowing coming together 😄
As someone that works in a machine shop, completely wrong about no one using machine shops. Busiest we have ever been. Ya it can takes months to get to a job and the parts shortages aren’t helping any
As a dealer technician, it may seem that shops aren’t used but dealerships tend to just bolt on new parts rather than rebuild stuff. Just seems to be the way warranties work now.
I thought about it more after the video and realized what the issue is: we have been steadily losing machine shops for years, so the remaining shops are always slammed. No offense intended, always good to throw a jab back and forth between mechanics and machinists 👍
@@ReignitedAuto didn’t take anything offensively. Just giving my perspective because some viewers don’t get subtlety or nuance. But yes you are correct. Just in the city I’m in we want from 4 to 1 in just a few years. And surrounding cities are also losing shops quite steadily.
@@ReignitedAuto and side note I wouldn’t worry about the tone wheel balancing personally. If you were going to balance the whole rotating assembly prior to assembly then for sure balance with the wheel you are intending to use
Greetings, Sky!
I’ve joined your channel several months ago and already enjoyed Cheap Hemi Challenge series😃
I have a question: I’ve just swapped my 2019 Challenger from 3.6 to 5.7 and guys just shut off the MDS without replacing lifters (is that correct? English is not my native, sorry), so I have all 8 cyls working constantly. Is it okay to run this engine with MDS shut off, but with MDS lifters? I’d be really pleased to hear. Thanks👌🏼💪🏼
Yep, there's no problem at all running the Hemi engine with the MDS system turned off completely using a tuner. 👍
I laughed out loud at "CLICK.....CLICK". 😂
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The most sarcastic “click” on the internet right here 😂
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Off topic a little but would replacement parts for gen lll hemi work for new gen lll eagle hemi, example water pumps, gaskets? because its doesn’t look like much changed for shape and bolt patterns.
2006 rt charger 2018 5.7 eagle head and 6.1 intake manifold swap. 5.7 injectors. new spark plugs. Just got a tune. Grounds are good. Ran perfect before bolt ons Cranks but won't start unless throttling then dies immediately it was doing it before the tune after I installed everything This my daily need some info asap ANYTHING HELPS!!!!! Also isn’t throwing any major codes that would be a problem
Are you using the stock length pushrods after the cylinder head swap, or are you using the longer one from the eagle heads? The 5.7 injectors, are they stock from the vehicle, or newer 5.7 injectors?
Funny, ill torque every bolt onna customers car. Mine, eh it'll be fine
This is the kind of person you wouldn’t want to build your motor build first check later to see if it will work
So does that mean you don't want the engine you ordered?
03:05 Since this a Truck Engine I'm Guessing You Mean SUV.. However, How about A 5.7 Ram Pickup Truck Engines In A Magnum?
Can A Ram 5.7 Engine Swap in A Magnum Be ̶P̶o̶s̶s̶i̶b̶l̶e̶ Feasible?
I have a question i recently had 2006 dodge magnum rt 5.7 engine rebuild i was wondering at how many mile can i switch to synthetic i recently switched to synthetic at 1000 miles been running synthetic for about 700 miles i was told recently that it was a bad idea to switch to synthetic at 1000 miles
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Gonna be a whole year before this engine gets started🙄
It might go quicker if you buy 1000 t- shirts so I can quit my day job 😄
58 teeth wheel, not 60
I love watching your videos I have questions but I do not know how to get ahold of you. Please get ahold of me.
OMG, so complicated this build…… i realize this is a one-off engine fabrication build, but my God all the mods and change ups that need to be done is mind boggling…… just sayin…..
You are absolutely correct, this is a complicated mess 😂especially the next episode you'll see it get even more complex, but that's just how I like to build things, I like to complicate my life un-necessarily haha!
@@ReignitedAuto unnecessary complication I think should be the name of this build. Ha ha lol 😂
Overlooked details; it's not that complicated to swap reluctor wheels and lock VVT
My favorite thing about modern engines is not having to clean gasket cement, rtv, gasket sealer, whatever you want to call it off of all the gasket surfaces
💯Agree absolutely!
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This is a handy series, I have a 05 Magnum with the 3.5, and wanna "upgrade" it soon to a 6.1 or 6.2....