Emergence and Emanation-Part 2 | Dr. John Vervaeke, Bishop Maximus, and Archimandrite Patapios
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Part 2 of the panel discussion with Dr. John Vervaeke, a well-known Associate Professor at the University of Toronto, Bishop Maximus of Pelagonia, a Visiting Instructor at the Seminary, and Archimandrite Patapios Hagiogrēgoritēs, Dean of the Seminary, is now on UA-cam!
In this second installment of the panel discussion, the topic of emergence and emanation is further explored.
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Dr. Vervaeke Bio: Dr. John Vervaeke is an Associate Professor, in the teaching stream. He has been teaching at the University of Toronto since 1994. He currently teaches courses in the Psychology department on thinking and reasoning with an emphasis on insight problem solving, cognitive development with an emphasis on the dynamical nature of development, and higher cognitive processes with an emphasis on intelligence, rationality, mindfulness, and the Psychology of wisdom. He is the director of the Cognitive Science program where he also teaches courses on the introduction to Cognitive Science, and the Cognitive Science of consciousness wherein he emphasizes 4E (embodied, embedded, enacted, and extended) models of cognition and consciousness . In addition, he taught a course in the Buddhism, Psychology and Mental Health program on Buddhism and Cognitive Science for fifteen years. He is the director of the Consciousness and the Wisdom Studies Laboratory. He has won and been nominated for several teaching awards including the 2001 Students' Administrative Council and Association of Part-time Undergraduate Students Teaching Award for the Humanities, and the 2012 Ranjini Ghosh Excellence in Teaching Award. He has published articles on relevance realization, general intelligence, mindfulness, flow, metaphor, and wisdom. He is first author of the book Zombies in Western Culture: A 21st Century crisis which integrates Psychology and Cognitive Science to address the meaning crisis in Western society. He is the author and presenter of the UA-cam series, Awakening from the Meaning Crisis, and the series After Socrates.
That was brilliant. It was the clearest articulation of a lot of key ideas in John’s work, and the explanation of the conformity theory I have heard yet. Thank you to everyone involved in making these videos.🙏
The summary at hour 1:05:00 is one of the best summary of this two parts series. It's going back to St Maximos distinction between Logos and logoi, between emanation and emergence, and between whole and parts. When each logo contemplate the Logos then each return to their origin. An excellent summary for St Gregory of Nyssa aposkatastasis and St Thomas of Aquinas exitus-reditus.
Such edifying conversation. Glory to God.
Really lovely conversation- again. Id love to see more religious philosophers from other traditions brought in
Agreed. I’d love to hear more from some Byzantine Catholic theologians or other orthodox theologians, as well as other faiths.
"In honoring these logoi and acting in accordance with them, he places himself wholly in God alone, forming and configuring God alone throughout his entire being, so that he himself by grace is and is called God, just as God by his condescension is and is called man for the sake of man, and also so that the power of this reciprocal disposition might be shown forth herein, a power that deifies man through his love for God, and humanizes God through his love for man. And by this beautiful exchange, it renders God man by reason of the deification of man, and man God by reason of the incarnation of God. For the Logos of God, also God, wills always and in all things to actualize the mystery of his incarnation."
Saint Maximus the Confessor - Ambiguum 7
Great conversation, ending on a great quote from Plotinus is a real cliffhanger! I can't wait to hear the next part!
Solid Gold ☀️
12 minutes in and Jonathan Pageau is mentioned and we’re discussing “the cupness of the cup” 😂 I like this talk!
Thank you for these wonderful conversations
This is probably the best thing I've ever heard, ever!
This was delightful; much appreciated.
That last bit was so good
Amazing conversation. Can't wait for the next one, considering where it leaves off!
Just 7 minutes, but this is a great and mind expanding converstion.
1:17
I think gnostisism and materialism are much more correlated with each other than symmetrically opposed to each other. Whenever I've encountered Gnostic ideology it's always been accompanied with materialism and vice versa.
Rather than being opposed to each other, they're closer to the same thing or rather the same ideology; one is just more manifest in material, the other in the spiritual. This common pattern is demonstrated in Genesis 3.
It's as though the landscape is being painted. But we decide the type of surface, paint, colours, mixing, brush. It's nice. This was another enjoyable dialogos.
at 33 minutes Catherine Pickstock "Aspects of Truth: Towards a Religious Metaphysics" and 40 min William Casebeer "Natural Ethic Facts".
36:49 love that visual
Vervaeke's conception for Emenation is still just just emergence. The metaphysical properties and constraints of something are still bottom up causality, not emenation.
I think he may be confusing formal and final cause.
Trying too hard to 'know' God can lead a man to madness. That circle of trying to 'know' something that can't be 'known' becomes a tighter and tighter knot. It's like getting too close to the sun, you will get scorched to a crisp. The story of that human desire for complete knowledge of God is in Genesis. It didn't work out well for Eve or for Adam, and in all likelihood this pursuit to know God won't work out well for us in our time,either. Maybe that's the place where faith in God begins. We humans who were created by God can't 'know' God to the point of obtaining all knowledge of everything God created on every level of reality here on Earth and in the universe. It is not possible to become like the Tree of Knowledge in our brief lifetime here. That is what Satan has always been trying to do from all the ages, to 'become' God, knowing all.
Let it be. There will be an answer to all our questions, in time.
Meanwhile,God has shown us The Way. We can 'become' more human, in our brief lifwtime here on Earth, and keep on 'becoming' that which we were meant to become. That is more than enough work to do,to become more fully human.
Morphic fields? Yes. Rupert Sheldrake. Bring him in.
52:12 yes! However, all rationalists will be afraid of the consequences or the implications. This is an ideology antidote.
Isn’t emergence and emanation a rephrasing of immanence and transcendence? They can’t be separated and both are necessary. Reality is non-dual. Furthermore, ontologically, man is an emergent emanation and equally, an immanent transcendence.
If the argument for the connection between subject and object does not require or support the necessity of a logical connection, then why does Christianity insist on the necessity of a logical (Logos) connection (i.e., Christ) between God and man, when in fact subject and object are indivisible and non-dual?