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This should've been a Jackie Chan film. Imagine a struggling old man Chan who has to beat his younger self who still pulls off those impossible stunts.
I would of killed to see a Jackie Chan version of this, it would of went more practical instead of CGI (besides the obvious scenes since Jackie is older) So many possibilities with that concept
Exactly what I was thinking about. And most of the time Jackie's films show just that, him being a very talented martial artist but not prone to being hurt.
They should have cast some aging '80s action star like Bruce Willis or Arnold Schwarzenegger because they represent a bygone era of Hollywood action movies. That would have really driven home the theme of "the old being replaced by the new".
I agree, but i think they wanted someone who was aging, but also a potential big box office draw and apparently didn't get the memo that Will Smith is no longer the latter. At least he's not guaranteed to make a movie a hit.
Imagine coming up with a good idea and then waiting 20 years for it to become a reality, but it turns into a laughing stock. It's honestly kind of sad to see.
@@milicadiy You can easily get in that kind of shape in a few months if you have the time for hitting the gym every day and are willing to take certain drugs. And he's most likely already on half of them due to TRT. Assuming that was an in-camera shot, which is far from given these days. If they can almost perfectly digitally de-age his face for a whole movie, surely they can improve his skeletal musculature for one poorly lit shot.
How it should have ended: Will Smith Junior gives up his military skills, stars in Fresh Prince of Bel Air, and grows up into a Hollywood stardom. While the real Will Smith observes in the shadows.
@@arianugroho Corridor Digital actually made a point in one of their CGI reaction videos where they had a problem with the motion of the movie. They all seemed to like the movie expect for how fast the movements were.
Probably one of the best things about John Wick is how they built up his legend, but he still struggles and even out right gets lucky to survive when he could have easily been killed multiple times in his movies.
@@subsea7778 It's what I've been thinking about, indeed. People meme about John Wick being invincible, but what's charming about his films is that John Wick is vulnerable every time he fights, and any gunshot he takes cripples him for the rest of the film. Every danger he puts himself in, it is shown that it can be his last. What makes people believe he is invincible is his professionalism and choreography, and using gun fu based off actual military techniques. All without ever breaking the feeling that John Wick is in actual danger, and reminding us that any misstep could cripple or kill him, hence why he is practical and professional in all his fights. The fights of John Wick have a perfect blend between professional, practiced, and badass; as well as imperfect, messy, and vulnerable when need be.
@@subsea7778 Absolutely. It also serves to show his human side and make the battles far less one sided, increasing tension because you know the main actor can fail and die, rather than obliterate everything in his path flawlessly and by the books. It's part of what makes shows like Daredevil and the Punisher appealing to me.
Have the Old Will Smith refuse to take the shot because the chance to hit the girl was too high. Make it clear that in his prime, he was ruthless and showed little remorse for killing innocents (when it was required for the mission, not that he was just innocents willy nilly). When Old vs New fight, it's clear that the New will stop at nothing to kill the Old (but eventually develops proper emotions).
I think that's a perfect idea :D It would also show great doubt he has in his ability right at the start of the movie. He doesn't think he can make the shot and throughout the fight they could have showed some mistakes he did because he just barely missed but missed nonetheless.
That’s a great idea, because it also gives wiggle as to whether the older or newer agent is a better. Sure the clone has the ruthlessness needed to be a better solider, but the original has the emotional capability to be a better man; one is an efficient killer and one valves life more. It brings a nice conflict into play, because which one is more important?
even if you take away the old vs new element the clone vs original first then join forces has been done in the 6th day too. new idea is no longer new when you sit on it for so long.
Andrew are you trying to make fun of him because of his wardrobe? also it wasn’t even structured anything like a joke, just you reminding us that he’s worn skirts. big deal.
Feels like the first failure the character should have had needed to be more physical. A sniper shot is more of a learned skill. He should have used his experience to beat a physically superior enemy. Thought of an example. R.E.D.
The problem with Gemini Man is the fact that the concept was outdated in 2019. It was original 20 years ago, not today. There have been several movies where not only was this concept done, it was done better. Even "The One" with Jet Li did this exact concept a long time ago. Then you have "Logan" and "Looper." I think if it would have been made when conceived, it would have been a much better movie.
@@jacindaellison3363 I have no idea why. What I do remember is that I used to be a HUGE fan of the magazine Cinescape, and they had tons of in-development movies listed. Even as far back as 1995, this script is super old. I'm sure if you google it it'll say why it took so long there.
@@themayorofmagic4870 damn I remember reading Cinescape! They talked about Waterworld back in 93 and said it would be about an alien world covered in water 🤣🤣
Hell (as many people has pointed out in the comments) Metal gear solid did that concept just a few years earlier before the script was written. While I doubt the original script writers knew about the game at the time, it both did it better plus at this point, MGS is wellknown even in Hollywood
"We have a deteriorating struggling old-timer being hunted by his own physically piquing younger self" - wow, I didn't think about it before, but now that you've put it that way, it reminds me of Logan.
@@darkseid856 Second time I saw it, I started noticing that the bad guys were somewhat stupid and couldn't properly work as a team (really, they keep attacking Laura one by one, even though she keeps taking them down, and can't seal off the territory). But the movie is still great nonetheless.
Well. A). It's all fake anyway so I don't see why it matters... and B). If it's framed as an accident that he feels tremendous guilt over he's still someone the audience can root for.
@@SA80TAGE But also C) Will Smith reaaally wants to be the good guy even in play-pretend. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a big influence on these matters.
@@TehBurek I'm not disagreeing with you or the OP, that's likely exactly what's going on, I was just pointing out why it doesn't really matter to the audience if he kills a kid or not... it's not like we're dumb enough to think he did it for real and that it'd ruin his rep. And some of the best actors in Hollywood have played bad guys... hell villain roles tend to get more accolades.
Samur/Aye yeah but you miss the social aspect of the audience. People would be disturbed and downright outraged because the average audience member cannot separate fact from fiction. I mean, look how critics bash recent Marvel films like Captain Marvel and Endgame’s “Girl Power.” Hell, look at Borderlands 3.... people wouldn’t accept watching a film where a child is shot because they’re morally against it. Even though we as logical sane critics can look at it and appreciate it for the story - your typical stupid person cannot.
Would haven been a lot more interesting as a rap battle :/ Will Smith is great if you need Will Smith in your movie, but he really sucks if you need deprh, range or a character that can be anything other then Will Smith.
Will’s ego can’t decide which version of him should be less cool. That’s why it was difficult to differential the two and create a real character struggle in the movie.
I like Will Smith. But the problem is he has become boring to look at. He doesn't take risks, he doesn't want to make movies where he might play a little "bad" shit, contradictory or whatever. He's always Will. There's nothing wrong with that. But it has already been seen a thousand times. He's boring nowadays. He has featured this same character in every movie. I'd like to see him do something new, show new aspects of himself. That's why I can't pay for his movies anymore.
That's the reason why I don't watch Adam Sandler movies anymore. That and his jokes have become boring. But in general, Adam's characters are all the same.
I've come to the conclusion recently that Will Smith isn't necessarily a great actor, and never really has been, but he was an *entertainer* first, who just happened to land a lot of acting roles. Hollywood mistook this for "just toss Will Smith in it, it'll make money!" to varying results, and now it seems that his star power and ability to charm merely by showing up, has taken a few huge hits recently (á la After Earth, SuiSquad, YT Rewind '18, this). Now he's in an odd double bind where he's simultaneously typecasted and miscasted, in between the world where he's Will Smith™, and the one where he's Will Smith, a guy that does anything.
Smith's ego gets in the way of making a decent film, once again. Just like he HAD to have Deadshot be a misunderstood hero. He has too much sway in hollywood for his own good, obviously. They need to stop giving him everything he wants.
I didnt see this movie as "old vs new" outside of the fact that he's fighting a literal younger version of himself. I saw it more of a life choices and consequences/effects. Henry became an assassin because that is what he was good (the best even) at and it made him forget his problems. But now he is older, and his conscience is beginning to weigh on him. The "almost could have missed, and hit the girl" wasnt a "im getting old" but more a "i cant bear the risk of hurting innocent people". And the young Henry vs the old Henry felt more like young cockiness and will to show off (and impress) versus the realization that doing so did not help, it only made things worse by adding more weight to his conscience.
Is that the one where they kidnap babies and train them, and years later some dude like, engineer its own soldiers or something? Like, a 20 year old movie?
@@Itachi17509 Yeah, orphan kids put through rigorous physical and mental training to be remorseless soldiers (for instance, one kid being shot on the course when he's unable to keep up with the squad, or soldiers shooting through a hostage without hesitation to kill an enemy), and then later on able to genetically engineer a stronger being to replace the old units. It's a cheesy movie, but I love it.
You know why they couldn’t have him miss and hit the girl as the inciting incident? Because I guarantee you Will Smith has a “no bad guy” clause in his contract, just like Arnie does. Another reason why this casting was a stunt/mistake.
Hey, if they can make a Good Guy Serial Killer, they can make a Nice Government Assassin. See, he's on the side of the GOOD GUYS, so it's okay! What's Smith going to do, finish out his career withOUT shooting people??
I have a nagging suspicion that both arnie and will are masons. Thus, they need to portray themselves as the good guys. Thus you see arnie in one interview with climate change champion Greta Thunberg backing her with points, and yet in the other notion, he's in LOTS of action movies with LOTS of patriotism, health risks created by explosions and littering of debris.
Speaking of Arnold, this also reminds me of Predator, the desperate soldier learning to match the advanced alien technology with rudimentary tools scavenged from his jungle surroundings. Or Logan! An interesting dynamic, there, with his "new and improved" iterations being both the object of his protection and his own worst enemy, simultaneously representing the sins of his past and the machinations of advancing technology, the kid and the grown clone being both the menace and the promise of the future.
Old vs Young (a modern variation of Man vs Self) is a concept that was used previously on Hollywood. Looper and Logan were based on that concept, and both has done a good job on develop this concept
Gemini Man has had the potential to explore the concept further than those two, because in Looper both Old and Young are still from the future (and their origin in time is reversed from what would help the concept) and in Logan it's just about strength, because the style of fighting of Wolverine haven't changed too much over the years.
"The very best in the world" pretty much sums up every role Will Smith is in. After I saw the trailer, i was like.. Oh look. another will smith movie where he plays a lead character with exceptional abilities. How original...
It's because Will Smith himself demands extreme creative control of any project he signs onto, and he has his own writer rewrite any instance of any character he plays doing anything that "seems evil". He does this because he is an extremely stupid person.
Funny you say that because every time I see a trailer for a new Will Smith movie I always say in my fake movie trailer voice; “Will Smith starring as Will Smith.” 🤣
@@allthingsclassicrock because I am a horrible person, the thing I love the most about Will Smith is how his attempt to launch his son's movie career with After Earth failed beyond his worst nightmares and caused him years of psychological torment, possibly messing his son's head up really bad too based on his "fashion" choices after that. Like he constantly emphasizes how he just wants to entertain people, and that really, really entertained me a lot. Like for months.
Funny thing is that this movie is strictly 90's. The whole cloning thing is a 90's era theme. Maybe, the movie could have rode on those themes. Having Will Smith, an actor who rose to success in the 90's would solidify the theme.
The Harlequin technically you could say it was done better in Logan 2x over with the grown clown Logan and his clone daughter he is basically raising as they travel lol
@@manuel8179 he's trying to say they did the old warrior vs his younger self thing better that time middle aged blonde, blue eyed, almost aryan, Kurt Russell took on the late 20's bald Asian guy who played Bruce Lee. That or he's talking about how the younger version of Kurt Russell who was played by his son wyatt looked more like the younger version of that character than the cgi used in Gemini man.
Logan was great. I also like how similar the clone was to younger Logan, both attached to a badguy, feels like it was an imprint thing to have his loyalty.
Good analysis and most of all great suggestions, but there is a little flaw. Junior is not the "machine like" terminator without feelings. The new set of clones was supposed to be that, which is the even younger clone we see at the end.
I'm willing to bet that somewhere along the planning phase, Will said something like "I wanna be like Keanu. I'm old but look young, and can be a Badass. I need to have my John Wick to reclaim my relevancy. What's better than John Wick?" "... Two John Wicks, sir?" "Gotta think bigger. What's better than two John Wicks?" "... Two John Wicks who fight each other, sir?" "Greenlight that sh*t!"
But wait, we forgot that we were supposed to add some machine-like clone! No problem, wi will just trow him in in like 3 minutes before the end of the movie
when you mentioned how they could've emphasized "old vs new" with analog vs digital, my immediate thought was Togusa from Ghost in the Shell & how the other characters give him shit for not being a cyborg, still using a revolver instead of an automatic but he's STILL such an effective character without those upgrades and he's still *valued* despite how much futurism the story relies on
Will smith watching a will smith from a will smith movie only to turn and see another will smith from a not so well will smith movie makes will smith wish that 2019 UA-cam rewind was a will smith rewind too.
@@manstonhisk667 Not true. Enemy of the State, The Legend of Bagger Vance, Ali, The Pursuit of Happyness, I Am Legend and Seven Pounds are decent at least.
Honestly, I think the best way to make Old Will Smith identifiable by his decay is by opening him up to the most identifiable thing we can relate to: pain. If I had an opportunity to overhaul the film, I would rewrite the opening by having him operate as a sniper from a building where he is supposed to assassinate a kingpin from a small distance. But not only does he fail, not only does he get in a scuffle with a couple of tipped off goons, he actually falls two stories down and breaks his back. Because of this, Old Smith is no longer useful for the government, which they collectively agree to create New Smith and assassinate Old Smith, Old Yeller style. Also, this back pain will play a significant role for Old Smith beyond the opening as an challenge to him in battle and normal life. Old Smith could be on medicated for his pain and struggle to find a job due to his age; meanwhile in battle, Old Smith could still perform those actions with a key difference: that he is doing these things WHILE under pain dependent on the activities (the more extreme, the more painful, the more he loses focus). Pain is human.
That's not a bad idea but then the film wouldn't be about old vs. young, it would be about the nature of pain and disability. So your idea, while good, narrows the premise into a somewhat different tangent. But then again that would be better than what we actually got.
@Nyb 127 Hmmm... What if the government wanted to cut off any loose ends? Let's say that after the government offed him for being injured, Will harboured a a grudge against them because he did so much for them but they just let him go so easily. (On top of that, the government left him for dead instead of nursing him back to health because he is a failure in their eyes) Later, they find out that he was brought to the hospital by someone and is still alive, and wants him dead because they turned their back on him and he is pissed. [Make him do something to gain their attention in the sense where he is taking revenger. Perhaps he hijacks assassination attempts or threaten to let the assassinations go public] That seems like a pretty solid motive no? If not, it could be simply one of their policies. Where assassins who have been let go have to die because of how dangerous they are. (in terms of lethality and the info they have on the government) [A weaker motivation but if done well, can be quite good.]
@@oinkleberry Call obsessive but what you said really bugged me. So I came up with this (not sure if you'll like it) What if we pushed this idea further and give the new Will Smith cybernetic enhancements that allows him to run faster and be stronger? With this, the old Will Smith being handicapped can be taken as "Old things are broken and outdated" while the new Will Smith can be the new advancements that are meant to replace the old broken things. So at the end we can either make them work together (cheesy though) against the government. Or Make either one of them win. (Depending on what message you want to bring) This still adheres to the idea while also humanising him and answering the question of Old vs New.
@@courier772 That's not bad but it would require really careful writing so as to not reach JJBA levels of deus ex machina in order to get a crippled old guy to defeat both a young AND cybernetic dude.
I feel the release time frame and lack of advertising is what shot this movie. I personally didn't see a trailer for Gemini Man until watching previews for Joker which released a few weeks prior so...
I hadn't even heard of this movie, so when I saw the visuals I thought it was about 10-15 years old. It blew my mind when I found out it _just freaking came out_ two months ago. What the hell happened to the CGI? Did they blow all the budget on the de-aging stuff? The animation is awful, nothing has any weight! 6:28 - Look at that movement. I really feel like this is definitely a real person and not a video-game NPC. 7:10 - What the fuck man... I don't even know what to say about that. 7:28 - Oh good, some more of that sequence. Fake Smith uses fake bike to climb car, car doesn't seem to notice and forgets to move at all. Bike proceeds to do impossible maneuver on top of clueless car. 8:57 - Bike crashes into car's door engine first. Next shot: Broken window, door unscratched. I guess it was a rental and they didn't want to damage it? 9:38 - Seaplane glides like a ghost towards the beach. Again, no movement at all like on real water. Even the still images look fake, though I can't say why exactly. 11:07 - A 200-pound bike crashes at high speed into an artillery gun's barrel and it doesn't budge at all? Even young Smith's face doesn't look that good in my opinion... when he speaks it looks like he's liquid.
It's supposed to be a 3D movie. And saying that it looks like a movie that was made 15 years ago is a little too harsh. The visuals aren't great, but I wouldn't call it garbage.
I'll bet that Will Smith had something to do with his older self still being able, good looking, and competent. This would've been a great role for will to put on weight and grow a beard but nope...
Yah nah. You must not know much about Will. He is very particular about his health and image. It works for him, but he isnt a very dynamic actor compared to someone like Leonardo Dicaprio. Thats a guy that is willing to play any character, rather good, evil, or downright psychotic.
This movie could’ve really been done well if you had the Russo Brothers, or an action/story oriented director. Someone who has already proven themselves to create proper and rememberable scenes and films. Heck I could totally see this as a 2 hour Christopher Nolan movie. If you have him the concept and allowed him to tweak and add in his exceptional science fiction ability, it could’ve work.
The movie concept is quite simple concept; old n failing vs new with prime abilities. You don't need Nolan's nerd brain to achieve this. The action is not so bad especially the first meeting of the 2 Wills. The problem is that the writers forgot to include the concept as part of the action. Action was supposed to be the old Will with all the strategies, tech n weapons of his time vs the new n improved Will n all modern gadgets n skills not some generic shit
@@j4genius961 hmm, idk, i dont agree, i just wanted to know your (or his) reasoning. It just sounds like you guys want Marvel, or Disney to give themselves a handicap just so other movies can shine where they've found success. I think what you're saying only really applies for kids maybe? I can vouch for kids lovin that flashy shit to extreme amounts lol. But regardless, i think even if you guys are right, (because it doesnt really matter to me) the MCU or just Superhero movies are just doing what they're supposed to yknow? Joker wasnt even that flashy but it found success among the masses, and im bringing up Joker because im assuming your statement wasnt just against Marvel, but the superhero genre. So yeah, and i just realized that even though im trying to be neutral, remember Logan? Or fucking Into the Spiderverse? They really do have story, but i'll bite and say maybe not all of them had good stories or were good at all, but were saved by amazing visuals? There, i hope I dont sound too biased. I just wanna say that, it does help when the movies you make can be watched by all audiences from kids to adults, so theres really nothing to be mad or worried about. Imagine a world with only superhero movies being produced?? NOPE.
@@j4genius961 Lol, i guess youre right. Thanks for the explanation. Though i must say, what you're saying isnt something i pay any particular attention to, and i dont plan to either, but i think i can agree with you nonetheless.
This reminds me of a movie called "Assassins", I think Antonio Banderas starred in it, but I may be wrong. It's about an old-fashioned, honourable killer being hunted by a young one with no remorse and stuff. It's not about the same person, but the concept is similar
Agreed and they did not try to GCI the shit out of Looper just used a younger actor and gci his face a bit to make Joseph look like Bruce but younger. Similar body structure but you can tell there is age on Bruce.
They needed to go the Logan route. You never doubt Wolverine's savagery in fights, but it is clear that he gets tired faster, and it's much easier to take him down than ever before. Jackman added the detail of a pebble in his shoe, so that he never forgot to limp and look weaker. As the movie progressed, even walking would get him out of breath. He's still very dangerous in fights, but nowhere near where he used to be, he does feel vulnerable if enough force was applied against him. The movie also has a peak version of the main character fighting him, and he gets trashed every single time. You really do fear when he shows up, whereas you know that Smith's younger self is about as good as he is, maybe slightly better. I feel like Smith had some pull in the movie, to look awesome all the way through, which was a detriment to the story. He barely struggles to take down entire squads of trained killers, even when he's at the defensive, and when he fights his younger self, it never feels like he's one wrong move away from dying when he's facing him.
I also put a lot of the blame in the audience. Most people aren't willing to give a chance to original movies. They'd rather watch something safe and half-way decent than take the risk with something unconventional.
@@BknMoonStudios That's an excuse for terrible movies. Gemini man had such an incredible concept, yet failed with the story. I believe Will has too much power in movies he's involved in, so much so he has a say in the script, hence why I believe a lot of his movies tend to fail these days.
@@bassinblue I believe it's a case of both. Audiences don't take risks, which deters producers from taking risks, which often results in them going for cash-grabbing cliche fests and playing it safe. Gemini Man is an example of writers and producers not taking said risks. Everyone is at fault here.
@@matthewhamilton2913 Yeah I'm not saying it's a bad thing, he just mentioned that he liked how they were filmed so I thought I'd point out where the inspiration came from
@@night1952 Third person shooters? (Like GTA) Also it highly reminds me of how I played in the Fallout series. And The Last Of Us. Along with God Of War 4. Not sure if they look similar to the way the scene played out for you, but it looks pretty similar for me.
@@courier772 Considering 3 out of 4 games you mentioned are imitating movies they're not good examples. Fallout usually gives you hordes of enemies to fight too, only reason it looks cinematic in that game is because of VATS.
Funny thing: I only learned of this movie when I pirated it from a well known site, NOT using a VPN. But I always pirate movies, so that's nothing new.
I feel like what they wanted to do was having an old man who regrets the things he has done in the past (as he said he can't watch himself in the mirror anymore because he's ashamed of what he's become) and then forcing this old man to confront his sins by having to fight the literal physical manifestation of those sins. Only this time he tries to do it better by wanting to help this kid so he doesn't end up like him. Don't get me wrong I still think it didn't work because of things like junior already showing remorse even tho the Film clearly stated that that only happens when the soldiers get older or the lack of consistency when it comes to the themes. But I think thats the idea they were going for, not so much the new vs old. I could imagine they wanted to Go with that at the begining of the Script but then decided to go with the old man regrets and has to fight his sins idea.
The CG is actually amazing at the start, but as the movie progresses, it somehow gets worse. It's insanely good at the beginning and insanely bad at the very end.
Corridor Digital actually addressed this. As it turns out, it's actually really hard to do a realistic fight scene with a high FPS, because the higher frame count means you can see the places where the actors totally whiffed their hits. So all of the hits had to be digitally inserted in.
Excellent diagnosis! Seems like 2019 was the year of movies that failed to meet their potentials. If ever the remake gets green lit hopefully they'll do it right.
Hey Filmento, this is the first vid I watched of you. Really, really good. Right up there with Stuckman and Jeremy. Actually, equally good - but this review is better than both of theirs. And, this is a unique take of the review of the movie. Keep up the good work.
The only difference is that metal gear also explores the concept of inherited fates (the cursed genes) and also handled the old vs new much better (mostly in 4)
I feel like the story lead to the fight at the end where henry and junior were fighting the more dehumanized clone that felt nothing. I feel like that was what Clay was striving for and Junior was the first incantation of that. So Junior, although being a clone, IS still a human and feels emotions etc. Clay's first experiment, Junior, failed so he continued experimenting and messing with child clones DNA that were created via Henry's DNA. When the super soldier's mask at the end came off and the characters had that brief interaction with him before he died I was like "holy hell this guy is so much more badass than Henry and Junior" and when he didn't feel anything, proposed by Danny, I was like "oh damn" Clay did it. The movie is about Henry and Junior and the struggle there but the true threat is the super soldier at the end, not Junior. Junior was just the first attempt at the super soldier at the end. I really enjoyed this movie and I'm no movie analyst or anything so my opinions mean very little. These were just my thoughts throughout the movie
The villain actually treating the cline as his own son could've been a good thing, great thing. To everyone he says they need a perfect soldier and what not but he has a complex of having a son he never had or lost, which is even showed with the framed picture, making him a 3 dimensional character with all the "you were like my own son" going on at the end.
So, if you would go with Junior being a future warfare then he should have been using smartphone bombs, drones and thermal sights while Henry would be using just iron sights, old time tripwire traps and knowledge of enviroment
It would also actually fit with the intended theme if maybe the original hesitated at the start because of the risk to the girl. That way he loses his edge in the eye of the villain. Other ways they could contrast young and old Smith: Old Smith is confident in his methods and abilities, so he follows through on opportunities and doesn't hesitate (unless innocent train girls are involved); however, this carries the disadvantage of inflexibility, so he struggles to adapt when things don't go to plan. Young Smith is much more flexible (physically and figuratively), so when something isn't working, he's ready to try something new; this carries the disadvantage of him dropping strategies and plans that may have eventually worked too soon, and hesitation since he isn't yet confident in his abilities. This could play out in their meeting with old Smith opting for a classic bike, while young Smith uses a newer bike: young Smith easily tracks old Smith's noisier and slower bike, maneuvering through tight alleys and steets to catch up. When he tries to ram old Smith, he goes flying because the classic bike is much heavier. Old Smith could then lose his bike because it breaks down or can't take a tight turn. When they get to hand-to-hand combat, young Smith goes in very acrobatic, and gets bodied by the heavier and stronger (but slower and less flexible) old Smith, who went in boxing. Young Smith then changes up his style, and uses old Smith's weight against (his centre of mass being at the shoulders) by sweeping out his legs. If old Smith still has to win this encounter, he could do so by remembering to adapt: he remembers his own weaknesses as a young assassin, figuring they might also apply to this young assassin (*cough cough* foreshadowing) and exploits them.
I mean ye it sounds like this would have been WAY better if old henry used older techniques, that could even explain why he's past his prime now as he misses the shot using just the scope but newer assassins are using technology to help predict where to aim which they could then have kept up throughout the film as you said with old vs new and old Henry winning in the end with his greater experience and making us of the flaws of modern technology which can be exploited which is why he never switched over to it.
The classic "tell but not show" as well as the common contradiction and lack of focus Such a shame that a unique idea is ruined by flawed execution, well it isn't that unique or new but it is still quite an exciting premise
The problem with this movie being released now is that it is difficult to do old vs new since the two are indistinguishable as compared to 20 years ago. In 2000, old school was considered someone who fought in Vietnam and Korea and goes by respective rules of engagement and uses "tools of the trade" from that era, now it's someone who fought the the gulf war which used basically the exact same equipment and applied similar techniques as the new, except with the new having only slight updates to equipment
What would’ve been interesting would’ve been seeing Henry fending Junior off by means of more smarts. He’s older and more experienced, so he could set up something a la Home Alone while Junior is clearly superior in combat prowess due to still being very much in his prime.
If he was cloned from the dna shouldn't he have the exact same memories? And therefore the exact same upbringing? Or are you refering to the day he was birthed? His upbringing from day 1 is totally not the same as being brought to life naturally. And the clone, how young is he? It being polite and stuff does seem quite off to me. Was it shown in the movie that it was tought those things or is it drawing from implanted memories?
@@orarinnsnorrason4614 that's not how dna or memories work. You need the exact same environment and upbringing down to the smallest details to replicate the same person. Otherwise you'll just copy the body itself.
@@Soridan but still, if you take a DNA of a man who have already became a perfect solder, you can train his clone to be a perfect soldier as well, and the whole thing does makes sence because some people are more prone to be perfect soldiers due to their physical abilities
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This should've been a Jackie Chan film. Imagine a struggling old man Chan who has to beat his younger self who still pulls off those impossible stunts.
I would of killed to see a Jackie Chan version of this, it would of went more practical instead of CGI (besides the obvious scenes since Jackie is older) So many possibilities with that concept
Exactly what I was thinking about. And most of the time Jackie's films show just that, him being a very talented martial artist but not prone to being hurt.
But I wonder if they’re anybody up to the task to be a young Jackie body double...
thefjk or Mel Gibson 👍
thefjk i thought Logan captured an aging warrior
They should have cast some aging '80s action star like Bruce Willis or Arnold Schwarzenegger because they represent a bygone era of Hollywood action movies. That would have really driven home the theme of "the old being replaced by the new".
Schwarzenegger has already been cloned and now it stars in It's Always Sunny.
Sylvester Stallone would be a good one to from Rambo and Rocky
I believe they were suggested, but the technology wasn't ready yet. and since those guys are in their 70s, it wouldn't have been to believable
I agree, but i think they wanted someone who was aging, but also a potential big box office draw and apparently didn't get the memo that Will Smith is no longer the latter. At least he's not guaranteed to make a movie a hit.
Watch Looper
Imagine coming up with a good idea and then waiting 20 years for it to become a reality, but it turns into a laughing stock. It's honestly kind of sad to see.
True that. Every failed movie is a missed chance at great art
It just needs a reboot. Hollywood LOVES reboot.
But enjoyable because is not us who fail lol
its about subverting expectations...
It must feel like coming out of rehab and finding out that your role has been given to Robert Pattinson😭
"I can't believe in 30 years im gonna look like you"
*Greek god arrives on camera*
It *is* unbelievable.
@@milicadiy You can easily get in that kind of shape in a few months if you have the time for hitting the gym every day and are willing to take certain drugs. And he's most likely already on half of them due to TRT. Assuming that was an in-camera shot, which is far from given these days. If they can almost perfectly digitally de-age his face for a whole movie, surely they can improve his skeletal musculature for one poorly lit shot.
@@rh_BOSS He sounded disappointed to me at the time I typed this and that was unbelievable to me.
How it should have ended:
Will Smith Junior gives up his military skills, stars in Fresh Prince of Bel Air, and grows up into a Hollywood stardom.
While the real Will Smith observes in the shadows.
hAk yup
Now that would have to be a Netflix reboot with the clone as a mumble rapper named Lil Will.
Lets him grow up , get married and make his wife fall into an entanglement to take the ultimate revenge
😂
the real reason will smith doesnt age
Funny thing is even John Wick seems to struggle more in his fights than Gemini Man's lead ever did. lol
Imagine that movie: John Wick being chased by Johnny Utah, an F...B...I agent!!!
@@arianugroho Corridor Digital actually made a point in one of their CGI reaction videos where they had a problem with the motion of the movie. They all seemed to like the movie expect for how fast the movements were.
Probably one of the best things about John Wick is how they built up his legend, but he still struggles and even out right gets lucky to survive when he could have easily been killed multiple times in his movies.
@@subsea7778 It's what I've been thinking about, indeed.
People meme about John Wick being invincible, but what's charming about his films is that John Wick is vulnerable every time he fights, and any gunshot he takes cripples him for the rest of the film. Every danger he puts himself in, it is shown that it can be his last. What makes people believe he is invincible is his professionalism and choreography, and using gun fu based off actual military techniques. All without ever breaking the feeling that John Wick is in actual danger, and reminding us that any misstep could cripple or kill him, hence why he is practical and professional in all his fights.
The fights of John Wick have a perfect blend between professional, practiced, and badass; as well as imperfect, messy, and vulnerable when need be.
@@subsea7778 Absolutely. It also serves to show his human side and make the battles far less one sided, increasing tension because you know the main actor can fail and die, rather than obliterate everything in his path flawlessly and by the books. It's part of what makes shows like Daredevil and the Punisher appealing to me.
Have the Old Will Smith refuse to take the shot because the chance to hit the girl was too high. Make it clear that in his prime, he was ruthless and showed little remorse for killing innocents (when it was required for the mission, not that he was just innocents willy nilly). When Old vs New fight, it's clear that the New will stop at nothing to kill the Old (but eventually develops proper emotions).
Basically make new Will a terminator.
I think that's a perfect idea :D It would also show great doubt he has in his ability right at the start of the movie. He doesn't think he can make the shot and throughout the fight they could have showed some mistakes he did because he just barely missed but missed nonetheless.
polygon exactly what I was thinking. Then it feeds into how he is no longer an order taking soldier
That’s a great idea, because it also gives wiggle as to whether the older or newer agent is a better. Sure the clone has the ruthlessness needed to be a better solider, but the original has the emotional capability to be a better man; one is an efficient killer and one valves life more. It brings a nice conflict into play, because which one is more important?
Also gives a reason to explain Old Smith as someone unfit to be a soldier. He hestitates.
"Logan" actually did this really well throughout the entire movie and especially when wolverine (spoiler alert) fought his clone x-24.
Chris Freeman ohhh yeah
I bloody love those comics :D
Holy crap, I love that movie and it was so good that I forgot about younger Wolverine
Oh shit this movie is just Logan but not as good
logan sucked ngl
I thought Looper already did the Old Guy vs his Younger Self thing.
even if you take away the old vs new element the clone vs original first then join forces has been done in the 6th day too. new idea is no longer new when you sit on it for so long.
Kurt Russell's Soldier.
@@faznanbadri6854 Excellent movie!
@@theBSisreal yeah, right?
2 different actors..
Dumbass 😂
"In a movie about aging they cast the one guy WHO DOES NOT AGE."
LOL
You know, they probably waited so Jayden Smith can play the younger Will Smith but realised he just was too bad an actor.
I was thinking the same thing, if that's the case, they made the right choice by just using cgi on Will Smith
@@rebeccagibson7428 CGI? No, Will Smith actually cloned himself to replace Jayden, so he could have the son he always thought he deserved. Himself.
Makes a lot of sense also Jayden turned out looking more like his mother than will
Jayden wouldn't have been less uncanny as CGI-Will as well.
Andrew are you trying to make fun of him because of his wardrobe? also it wasn’t even structured anything like a joke, just you reminding us that he’s worn skirts. big deal.
Feels like the first failure the character should have had needed to be more physical. A sniper shot is more of a learned skill. He should have used his experience to beat a physically superior enemy. Thought of an example. R.E.D.
I think that happens in Metal Gear Solid.
Lethal Weapon 4 has that recipe with aging Mel Gibson and Danny Glover getting whacked by a prime Jet Li.
Literally the plot of Soldier, which was just so good. Kurt Russell is just so great.
Yeah R.E.D. does old assassins so much better.
Zman Jace RED was so good.
Jackie Chan's the foreigner was the perfect example of what old will smith should be.
that's a really good moive
Thanks now i know what to watch tonight
That movie is underrated
1:18 Will Smith: I'M BACK! I'M BAAAAAACK!!!
1:42 Will Smith: My back... my back...
I understood that reference.
The problem with Gemini Man is the fact that the concept was outdated in 2019. It was original 20 years ago, not today. There have been several movies where not only was this concept done, it was done better. Even "The One" with Jet Li did this exact concept a long time ago. Then you have "Logan" and "Looper." I think if it would have been made when conceived, it would have been a much better movie.
Why did it take so long for this movie to come out?
@@jacindaellison3363 I have no idea why. What I do remember is that I used to be a HUGE fan of the magazine Cinescape, and they had tons of in-development movies listed. Even as far back as 1995, this script is super old. I'm sure if you google it it'll say why it took so long there.
@@themayorofmagic4870 damn I remember reading Cinescape! They talked about Waterworld back in 93 and said it would be about an alien world covered in water 🤣🤣
Hell (as many people has pointed out in the comments) Metal gear solid did that concept just a few years earlier before the script was written. While I doubt the original script writers knew about the game at the time, it both did it better plus at this point, MGS is wellknown even in Hollywood
I personnally dont have a problem with that, as long as it exacuted it in an interesting way, which it sadly did not.
"We have a deteriorating struggling old-timer being hunted by his own physically piquing younger self" - wow, I didn't think about it before, but now that you've put it that way, it reminds me of Logan.
0.0 damn... you're goddamn right!! And it does show why Logan was such a goddamn good movie
Was gonna bring this one up myself.
I loved Logan . A rare masterpiece from marvel .
@@darkseid856 Second time I saw it, I started noticing that the bad guys were somewhat stupid and couldn't properly work as a team (really, they keep attacking Laura one by one, even though she keeps taking them down, and can't seal off the territory). But the movie is still great nonetheless.
The Dark Knight I thought Fox made the X-Men films?
"just have him kill the girl"
You really think will smith is gonna kill a kid on screen in a movie 😂😂?
Well. A). It's all fake anyway so I don't see why it matters... and B). If it's framed as an accident that he feels tremendous guilt over he's still someone the audience can root for.
@@SA80TAGE But also C) Will Smith reaaally wants to be the good guy even in play-pretend. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a big influence on these matters.
@@TehBurek I'm not disagreeing with you or the OP, that's likely exactly what's going on, I was just pointing out why it doesn't really matter to the audience if he kills a kid or not... it's not like we're dumb enough to think he did it for real and that it'd ruin his rep. And some of the best actors in Hollywood have played bad guys... hell villain roles tend to get more accolades.
@@SA80TAGE And I'm not disagreeing with you, but someone should perhaps explain that to Will :)
Samur/Aye yeah but you miss the social aspect of the audience. People would be disturbed and downright outraged because the average audience member cannot separate fact from fiction. I mean, look how critics bash recent Marvel films like Captain Marvel and Endgame’s “Girl Power.” Hell, look at Borderlands 3.... people wouldn’t accept watching a film where a child is shot because they’re morally against it. Even though we as logical sane critics can look at it and appreciate it for the story - your typical stupid person cannot.
It's quite an impressive feat to take the concept of "Will Smith vs. the Fresh Prince" and not make that interesting.
Would haven been a lot more interesting as a rap battle :/ Will Smith is great if you need Will Smith in your movie, but he really sucks if you need deprh, range or a character that can be anything other then Will Smith.
Ooooooooooh-hooo ! That’d be HOT !!!
Will Smith looks better in his 50's than most guys in his 20's.
As a 27 year old male with a dad bod I can confirm this 😂😂
That's cos he gives more time and attention to his looks than most people who aren't paid to look good can afford.
@@michaelkeegan9260 or genetics?
@@michaelkeegan9260 or maybe because he has dark skin and good genes🤷
Swimming in illuminati anti ageing cream.
This is literally just METAL GEAR
If a third Will Smith with blonde hair shows up, I’m calling Konami
Was thinking the same thing
lmao liquid smith
Original Will Smith gets cloned resulting in Liquid Smith, Solid Smith and Solidus Smith. And then an effeminate blonde guy shows up.
In fact, how about we call this Bel Air Solid: The Twin Smiths?
Solid Smith
Liquid Smith
Solidus Smith
Naked Smith
Punished "Hot" Smith
Oddly enough, this woulda been a perfect role for Mel Gibson.
Holy shit that's exactly what I thought. It'd also give him a shot at redemption with his past.
Agreed!!!!
But would the young clone look like Martin Riggs, Mad Max, or William Wallace? LoL
Fuckkkk no. Mel Gibson would've mad it worse.
I agree with the other comment of Jackie Chan.
Mel Gibson is trash
So, if the protagonist of this movie was a Whiteman...then it would've been a good movie? Fck u
Will’s ego can’t decide which version of him should be less cool. That’s why it was difficult to differential the two and create a real character struggle in the movie.
True 😂 most of these celebs are egomaniacs
EXACTLY! You nailed it
I like Will Smith. But the problem is he has become boring to look at. He doesn't take risks, he doesn't want to make movies where he might play a little "bad" shit, contradictory or whatever. He's always Will. There's nothing wrong with that. But it has already been seen a thousand times. He's boring nowadays.
He has featured this same character in every movie. I'd like to see him do something new, show new aspects of himself. That's why I can't pay for his movies anymore.
That's the reason why I don't watch Adam Sandler movies anymore. That and his jokes have become boring. But in general, Adam's characters are all the same.
That's why you gotta love Tom Cruise for doing Collateral.
Very well said and right on the money
I've come to the conclusion recently that Will Smith isn't necessarily a great actor, and never really has been, but he was an *entertainer* first, who just happened to land a lot of acting roles. Hollywood mistook this for "just toss Will Smith in it, it'll make money!" to varying results, and now it seems that his star power and ability to charm merely by showing up, has taken a few huge hits recently (á la After Earth, SuiSquad, YT Rewind '18, this). Now he's in an odd double bind where he's simultaneously typecasted and miscasted, in between the world where he's Will Smith™, and the one where he's Will Smith, a guy that does anything.
Rock plays rock in every movie
Smith's ego gets in the way of making a decent film, once again. Just like he HAD to have Deadshot be a misunderstood hero. He has too much sway in hollywood for his own good, obviously. They need to stop giving him everything he wants.
Remember when he changed the entire plot of "Pursit of hapinnes" so he could shove his son in the movie
@The Real S there is nuance, and then there is narcissism. I feel he is the latter.
Similar to "The Mummy" with Tom Cruise.
I didnt see this movie as "old vs new" outside of the fact that he's fighting a literal younger version of himself.
I saw it more of a life choices and consequences/effects.
Henry became an assassin because that is what he was good (the best even) at and it made him forget his problems. But now he is older, and his conscience is beginning to weigh on him.
The "almost could have missed, and hit the girl" wasnt a "im getting old" but more a "i cant bear the risk of hurting innocent people".
And the young Henry vs the old Henry felt more like young cockiness and will to show off (and impress) versus the realization that doing so did not help, it only made things worse by adding more weight to his conscience.
The Kurt Russell movie "Soldier" did this Old vs New concept better.
true what you said like Termintor 2 (T-800 versus T-1000 and Lethal Weapon 4 : Riggs and Murtaugh versus Wah Sing Ku.
Is that the one where they kidnap babies and train them, and years later some dude like, engineer its own soldiers or something? Like, a 20 year old movie?
Itachi17509 that’s right bro
@@Itachi17509 Yeah, orphan kids put through rigorous physical and mental training to be remorseless soldiers (for instance, one kid being shot on the course when he's unable to keep up with the squad, or soldiers shooting through a hostage without hesitation to kill an enemy), and then later on able to genetically engineer a stronger being to replace the old units. It's a cheesy movie, but I love it.
So did "Assassins" starring Sly Stallone
"Original concept?" This is litterally almost exactly the plot of the metal gear solid games. Only like... way less deep.
Variocom I’m surprised no one has caught that.
If a third, blonde Will Smith shows up, I’m calling Konami
AszX"@11+@12
in this case... Bullshit blossomed in the battlefield
it is??
You know why they couldn’t have him miss and hit the girl as the inciting incident? Because I guarantee you Will Smith has a “no bad guy” clause in his contract, just like Arnie does. Another reason why this casting was a stunt/mistake.
"I stand by it. I will never play a bad guy. So what do you have for me?"
"Uhm... government assassin."
"Fuck yeah, dude!"
Onkel Pappkov a nice government assassin
Same reason why we couldn’t take him seriously in Suicide Squad
Hey, if they can make a Good Guy Serial Killer, they can make a Nice Government Assassin. See, he's on the side of the GOOD GUYS, so it's okay! What's Smith going to do, finish out his career withOUT shooting people??
I have a nagging suspicion that both arnie and will are masons. Thus, they need to portray themselves as the good guys. Thus you see arnie in one interview with climate change champion Greta Thunberg backing her with points, and yet in the other notion, he's in LOTS of action movies with LOTS of patriotism, health risks created by explosions and littering of debris.
4:55 i think its because will smith dont want to play a 'flawed' character like that.
Same as Tom Cruise. Always gotta be the perfect macho man badass.
Speaking of Arnold, this also reminds me of Predator, the desperate soldier learning to match the advanced alien technology with rudimentary tools scavenged from his jungle surroundings. Or Logan! An interesting dynamic, there, with his "new and improved" iterations being both the object of his protection and his own worst enemy, simultaneously representing the sins of his past and the machinations of advancing technology, the kid and the grown clone being both the menace and the promise of the future.
Old vs Young (a modern variation of Man vs Self) is a concept that was used previously on Hollywood. Looper and Logan were based on that concept, and both has done a good job on develop this concept
Gemini Man has had the potential to explore the concept further than those two, because in Looper both Old and Young are still from the future (and their origin in time is reversed from what would help the concept) and in Logan it's just about strength, because the style of fighting of Wolverine haven't changed too much over the years.
Exactly, this is not an original idea at all.
Solid analysis. Your video essays are underrated
"The very best in the world" pretty much sums up every role Will Smith is in. After I saw the trailer, i was like.. Oh look. another will smith movie where he plays a lead character with exceptional abilities. How original...
It's because Will Smith himself demands extreme creative control of any project he signs onto, and he has his own writer rewrite any instance of any character he plays doing anything that "seems evil". He does this because he is an extremely stupid person.
Funny you say that because every time I see a trailer for a new Will Smith movie I always say in my fake movie trailer voice; “Will Smith starring as Will Smith.” 🤣
@@allthingsclassicrock because I am a horrible person, the thing I love the most about Will Smith is how his attempt to launch his son's movie career with After Earth failed beyond his worst nightmares and caused him years of psychological torment, possibly messing his son's head up really bad too based on his "fashion" choices after that. Like he constantly emphasizes how he just wants to entertain people, and that really, really entertained me a lot. Like for months.
That's pretty much most action hero movies though. He or she is the chosen one or the best. That is literally John Wick.
He is overrated
Funny thing is that this movie is strictly 90's. The whole cloning thing is a 90's era theme. Maybe, the movie could have rode on those themes.
Having Will Smith, an actor who rose to success in the 90's would solidify the theme.
"Have him kill the girl"
"It's will smith, he would never, no have him injury the girl"
Or. Get this... Just have him miss the shot?
How about shoot the spotter on the train?
Nah, it has to be tragic. Then it drives the point across. Just missing is just missing.. there not impact on the emotions of the audience.
@Peasant Scrublord of course
Ntokozo Moyo it doesn’t have to be a kid though. What if it was a honeymooning couple?
SomeRandomIdiot
He already proved that simply missing the shot has nowhere near the same impact.
Damn, that is true about Will's age. He's like 50 years old and still looks so young.
@Imaru Lewis I wish I didn't age like him and I'm black lol. Going on 30 years old next year and Will look younger than even me.
@Imaru Lewis #ConfirmationBias
Yeah, they should have cast his son to play he's younger self. It would have been more believable than what we got.
J.Fragoso no, not his son -_-
@@nathanjora7627 I was only considering their likeness. I didn't take into account acting talent.
The old dude vs his younger self thing was done better already in Logan.
The Harlequin technically you could say it was done better in Logan 2x over with the grown clown Logan and his clone daughter he is basically raising as they travel lol
@Nikolaij Brouiller what are you trying to say?
@@manuel8179 he's trying to say they did the old warrior vs his younger self thing better that time middle aged blonde, blue eyed, almost aryan, Kurt Russell took on the late 20's bald Asian guy who played Bruce Lee. That or he's talking about how the younger version of Kurt Russell who was played by his son wyatt looked more like the younger version of that character than the cgi used in Gemini man.
Logan was great.
I also like how similar the clone was to younger Logan, both attached to a badguy, feels like it was an imprint thing to have his loyalty.
A subplot was done better than the movie about it
C'mon Hollywood
Good analysis and most of all great suggestions, but there is a little flaw.
Junior is not the "machine like" terminator without feelings. The new set of clones was supposed to be that, which is the even younger clone we see at the end.
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I didn't know Antonio Banderas does movie reviews in his spare time.
I couldnt help but think it was the french version of the robot voice over.
What the fuck you talking about
@@IvaN-cf7qt The accent.
I am native spanish speaker, and no , he does not sound like him 😂
I can hear an Indian accent though
This is one of the only movies I actually fell asleep watching while in the theater
Imagine a Road Warrior de-aged Gibson going against the grizzly bear he is now; legendary.
Epic
it's just me or all the scenes of the younger clone looks like he is about to cry?
Elias Custódio that’s will smith’s acting for you
jbee bruh
I'm willing to bet that somewhere along the planning phase, Will said something like
"I wanna be like Keanu. I'm old but look young, and can be a Badass. I need to have my John Wick to reclaim my relevancy. What's better than John Wick?"
"... Two John Wicks, sir?"
"Gotta think bigger. What's better than two John Wicks?"
"... Two John Wicks who fight each other, sir?"
"Greenlight that sh*t!"
But wait, we forgot that we were supposed to add some machine-like clone!
No problem, wi will just trow him in in like 3 minutes before the end of the movie
I read this in both Will Smith's voice and the regular voice in my head.
the opposite is more likely...i DOUBT WS wants to be like Keanu. Do you people even proofread?
"Ah, that's cold. That's cold."
I wish they had just called it “Gemini”. It would’ve sounded way cooler
It really would sound better lol
In my country was called that way, dont know why.
I think the "man" part still sounds alright but yeah it should have had it without it.
In my country it was called "Project Gemini".
when you mentioned how they could've emphasized "old vs new" with analog vs digital, my immediate thought was Togusa from Ghost in the Shell & how the other characters give him shit for not being a cyborg, still using a revolver instead of an automatic but he's STILL such an effective character without those upgrades and he's still *valued* despite how much futurism the story relies on
Will smith watching a will smith from a will smith movie only to turn and see another will smith from a not so well will smith movie makes will smith wish that 2019 UA-cam rewind was a will smith rewind too.
Will Smith from fresh prince is a legend everything hes done since is shit.
@@manstonhisk667 Not true. Enemy of the State, The Legend of Bagger Vance, Ali, The Pursuit of Happyness, I Am Legend and Seven Pounds are decent at least.
Will Smith: Awwww Thats Hot... Thats Hot
@@lonestarr1490 Irobot too was good
Honestly, I think the best way to make Old Will Smith identifiable by his decay is by opening him up to the most identifiable thing we can relate to: pain. If I had an opportunity to overhaul the film, I would rewrite the opening by having him operate as a sniper from a building where he is supposed to assassinate a kingpin from a small distance. But not only does he fail, not only does he get in a scuffle with a couple of tipped off goons, he actually falls two stories down and breaks his back. Because of this, Old Smith is no longer useful for the government, which they collectively agree to create New Smith and assassinate Old Smith, Old Yeller style. Also, this back pain will play a significant role for Old Smith beyond the opening as an challenge to him in battle and normal life. Old Smith could be on medicated for his pain and struggle to find a job due to his age; meanwhile in battle, Old Smith could still perform those actions with a key difference: that he is doing these things WHILE under pain dependent on the activities (the more extreme, the more painful, the more he loses focus). Pain is human.
That's not a bad idea but then the film wouldn't be about old vs. young, it would be about the nature of pain and disability. So your idea, while good, narrows the premise into a somewhat different tangent. But then again that would be better than what we actually got.
@Nyb 127 Hmmm... What if the government wanted to cut off any loose ends?
Let's say that after the government offed him for being injured, Will harboured a a grudge against them because he did so much for them but they just let him go so easily. (On top of that, the government left him for dead instead of nursing him back to health because he is a failure in their eyes)
Later, they find out that he was brought to the hospital by someone and is still alive, and wants him dead because they turned their back on him and he is pissed. [Make him do something to gain their attention in the sense where he is taking revenger. Perhaps he hijacks assassination attempts or threaten to let the assassinations go public]
That seems like a pretty solid motive no?
If not, it could be simply one of their policies. Where assassins who have been let go have to die because of how dangerous they are. (in terms of lethality and the info they have on the government) [A weaker motivation but if done well, can be quite good.]
@Nyb 127 Haha true. Alot of books and movies out there like to paint the image of Government=Bad nowadays.
@@oinkleberry Call obsessive but what you said really bugged me.
So I came up with this (not sure if you'll like it)
What if we pushed this idea further and give the new Will Smith cybernetic enhancements that allows him to run faster and be stronger?
With this, the old Will Smith being handicapped can be taken as "Old things are broken and outdated" while the new Will Smith can be the new advancements that are meant to replace the old broken things.
So at the end we can either make them work together (cheesy though) against the government.
Or
Make either one of them win. (Depending on what message you want to bring)
This still adheres to the idea while also humanising him and answering the question of Old vs New.
@@courier772 That's not bad but it would require really careful writing so as to not reach JJBA levels of deus ex machina in order to get a crippled old guy to defeat both a young AND cybernetic dude.
The concept isn’t really new, metal gear did it in the 1990s, and also had a dope big robot
I feel the release time frame and lack of advertising is what shot this movie. I personally didn't see a trailer for Gemini Man until watching previews for Joker which released a few weeks prior so...
I hadn't even heard of this movie, so when I saw the visuals I thought it was about 10-15 years old. It blew my mind when I found out it _just freaking came out_ two months ago.
What the hell happened to the CGI? Did they blow all the budget on the de-aging stuff? The animation is awful, nothing has any weight!
6:28 - Look at that movement. I really feel like this is definitely a real person and not a video-game NPC.
7:10 - What the fuck man... I don't even know what to say about that.
7:28 - Oh good, some more of that sequence. Fake Smith uses fake bike to climb car, car doesn't seem to notice and forgets to move at all. Bike proceeds to do impossible maneuver on top of clueless car.
8:57 - Bike crashes into car's door engine first. Next shot: Broken window, door unscratched. I guess it was a rental and they didn't want to damage it?
9:38 - Seaplane glides like a ghost towards the beach. Again, no movement at all like on real water. Even the still images look fake, though I can't say why exactly.
11:07 - A 200-pound bike crashes at high speed into an artillery gun's barrel and it doesn't budge at all?
Even young Smith's face doesn't look that good in my opinion... when he speaks it looks like he's liquid.
Yeah ..
What were they thinking while making / editing the movie
It's supposed to be a 3D movie. And saying that it looks like a movie that was made 15 years ago is a little too harsh.
The visuals aren't great, but I wouldn't call it garbage.
I'm surprised that no one told a thing about this horrible CGI, I got waaay disappointed when I watched
6:48 he went full PS2 pre animated cutscene
I'll bet that Will Smith had something to do with his older self still being able, good looking, and competent.
This would've been a great role for will to put on weight and grow a beard but nope...
Yah nah. You must not know much about Will. He is very particular about his health and image. It works for him, but he isnt a very dynamic actor compared to someone like Leonardo Dicaprio. Thats a guy that is willing to play any character, rather good, evil, or downright psychotic.
@@ChefofWar33 isn't that what I said above but in different words? Read carefully
@@EVRDYRNGD Point is. He would never be willing to put on weight.
@@ChefofWar33 I know, that was MY POINT in my original post above.
I remember when they made this movie and called it 'Soldier' with Kurt Russell, but I guess not a lot of people do.
We remember
This movie could’ve really been done well if you had the Russo Brothers, or an action/story oriented director. Someone who has already proven themselves to create proper and rememberable scenes and films. Heck I could totally see this as a 2 hour Christopher Nolan movie. If you have him the concept and allowed him to tweak and add in his exceptional science fiction ability, it could’ve work.
The movie concept is quite simple concept; old n failing vs new with prime abilities. You don't need Nolan's nerd brain to achieve this.
The action is not so bad especially the first meeting of the 2 Wills. The problem is that the writers forgot to include the concept as part of the action.
Action was supposed to be the old Will with all the strategies, tech n weapons of his time vs the new n improved Will n all modern gadgets n skills not some generic shit
@@josephbassey1501 why doesn't the older smith not have junior's tech?
This feels like The Bourne Identity series actually, only with Harrison Ford.
I thought the old Will Smith would fall in love with young Will Smith and they would kiss at the end)))
Incest taken to a whole other level
@@jme6036 Selfcest.
@@MoffatLee So, basically, masturbation?
😂 maturbation with a fight club plot twist awww no time for a gf there
lol this reminded me of that one scene in Alien Covenant.
The movie whose trailer was shown at the beginning of avengers endgame, Everybody
Man, that sad moment when Hobbs & Shaw executed the themes of Gemini Man better only further fueling the Hollywood franchise fire
@@j4genius961 Scorcese said Marvel movies had no real story?
@@j4genius961 hmm, idk, i dont agree, i just wanted to know your (or his) reasoning. It just sounds like you guys want Marvel, or Disney to give themselves a handicap just so other movies can shine where they've found success. I think what you're saying only really applies for kids maybe? I can vouch for kids lovin that flashy shit to extreme amounts lol. But regardless, i think even if you guys are right, (because it doesnt really matter to me) the MCU or just Superhero movies are just doing what they're supposed to yknow? Joker wasnt even that flashy but it found success among the masses, and im bringing up Joker because im assuming your statement wasnt just against Marvel, but the superhero genre. So yeah, and i just realized that even though im trying to be neutral, remember Logan? Or fucking Into the Spiderverse? They really do have story, but i'll bite and say maybe not all of them had good stories or were good at all, but were saved by amazing visuals? There, i hope I dont sound too biased. I just wanna say that, it does help when the movies you make can be watched by all audiences from kids to adults, so theres really nothing to be mad or worried about. Imagine a world with only superhero movies being produced?? NOPE.
@@j4genius961 Lol, i guess youre right. Thanks for the explanation. Though i must say, what you're saying isnt something i pay any particular attention to, and i dont plan to either, but i think i can agree with you nonetheless.
This reminds me of a movie called "Assassins", I think Antonio Banderas starred in it, but I may be wrong. It's about an old-fashioned, honourable killer being hunted by a young one with no remorse and stuff. It's not about the same person, but the concept is similar
Yeah, Stallone vs Banderas. I thought the same thing.
I loved the movie like crazy. Antonio's acting like a crazy unstable fellow was 💯 but very meticulous n tactical
This theme was also done in Star Trek: Nemesis.
The Stargate-SG1 episode involving O'Neill and his teenage clone filled is a superior story.
tbh every movie these days can be one-upped by at least one stargate episode
Younger self tries to kill older self... isn’t that “Loopers” a much better movie?🤷🏾♂️
Agreed and they did not try to GCI the shit out of Looper just used a younger actor and gci his face a bit to make Joseph look like Bruce but younger. Similar body structure but you can tell there is age on Bruce.
They needed to go the Logan route. You never doubt Wolverine's savagery in fights, but it is clear that he gets tired faster, and it's much easier to take him down than ever before. Jackman added the detail of a pebble in his shoe, so that he never forgot to limp and look weaker. As the movie progressed, even walking would get him out of breath. He's still very dangerous in fights, but nowhere near where he used to be, he does feel vulnerable if enough force was applied against him. The movie also has a peak version of the main character fighting him, and he gets trashed every single time. You really do fear when he shows up, whereas you know that Smith's younger self is about as good as he is, maybe slightly better. I feel like Smith had some pull in the movie, to look awesome all the way through, which was a detriment to the story. He barely struggles to take down entire squads of trained killers, even when he's at the defensive, and when he fights his younger self, it never feels like he's one wrong move away from dying when he's facing him.
It's so heartbreaking to see how many great ideas get wasted by Hollywood all the time.
When the industry is ruled by unoriginal IP's, the art of writing novelty is lost.
I also put a lot of the blame in the audience.
Most people aren't willing to give a chance to original movies.
They'd rather watch something safe and half-way decent than take the risk with something unconventional.
@@BknMoonStudios That's an excuse for terrible movies. Gemini man had such an incredible concept, yet failed with the story. I believe Will has too much power in movies he's involved in, so much so he has a say in the script, hence why I believe a lot of his movies tend to fail these days.
@@bassinblue I believe it's a case of both. Audiences don't take risks, which deters producers from taking risks, which often results in them going for cash-grabbing cliche fests and playing it safe.
Gemini Man is an example of writers and producers not taking said risks.
Everyone is at fault here.
Those shooting sequences are filmed exactly like a video game is played
Weirdly...
I sorta liked that?
@@matthewhamilton2913 Yeah I'm not saying it's a bad thing, he just mentioned that he liked how they were filmed so I thought I'd point out where the inspiration came from
Videogames are way more frenetic. John Wick movies are like videogames, not this.
@@night1952 Third person shooters? (Like GTA)
Also it highly reminds me of how I played in the Fallout series. And The Last Of Us. Along with God Of War 4.
Not sure if they look similar to the way the scene played out for you, but it looks pretty similar for me.
@@courier772 Considering 3 out of 4 games you mentioned are imitating movies they're not good examples. Fallout usually gives you hordes of enemies to fight too, only reason it looks cinematic in that game is because of VATS.
_HOW TO FAIL AT CONCEPT?_
*Me, as an intellectual:* YAH! IT'S REWIND TIME!!!
i think 2019 has been the year with the most ''Anatomies of a Failure'' lol
He should do one for joker
true but ifeel a few of his newer vidoes have missed the mark or point. But its subjective still a great channel
@@pacifiedbeaumonte Failure? Dude, it's the highest-grossing R-rated movie, and got nominated for 11 Oscars!
@@akosleoszilagyi2529 its such a terrible movie. So bad
@@pacifiedbeaumonte You're plain wrong.
Funny thing: I only learned of this movie when I pirated it from a well known site, NOT using a VPN.
But I always pirate movies, so that's nothing new.
This plot had so much promise and they dropped the ball pretty badly. I expected more from you Ang Lee. For shame...
The 'young' Will Smith looks nothing like how Will really looked when he was young. If you watched Fresh Prince then you know and it throws you off!
From the trailer, I assumed it was a reboot of a 90's action movie I'd never seen. Maybe I'm just cynical.
Double Impact with John Claude Van Damme was perfect
I feel like what they wanted to do was having an old man who regrets the things he has done in the past (as he said he can't watch himself in the mirror anymore because he's ashamed of what he's become) and then forcing this old man to confront his sins by having to fight the literal physical manifestation of those sins. Only this time he tries to do it better by wanting to help this kid so he doesn't end up like him. Don't get me wrong I still think it didn't work because of things like junior already showing remorse even tho the Film clearly stated that that only happens when the soldiers get older or the lack of consistency when it comes to the themes. But I think thats the idea they were going for, not so much the new vs old. I could imagine they wanted to Go with that at the begining of the Script but then decided to go with the old man regrets and has to fight his sins idea.
All those action scenes look so fresh and exciting. That fist fight too, far out.
The CG is terrible. It reminded me of the janky bits in the Neo Vs Smiths fight in Matrix Reloaded.
In some scenes you get the impression they had to erase a mustache.
The CG is actually amazing at the start, but as the movie progresses, it somehow gets worse. It's insanely good at the beginning and insanely bad at the very end.
Haven't watched the movie, but that clip with youngWill hitting oldWill with the bike was particularly awful.
Corridor Digital actually addressed this. As it turns out, it's actually really hard to do a realistic fight scene with a high FPS, because the higher frame count means you can see the places where the actors totally whiffed their hits. So all of the hits had to be digitally inserted in.
"Old vs new" is indeed a very original concept.
Excellent diagnosis! Seems like 2019 was the year of movies that failed to meet their potentials. If ever the remake gets green lit hopefully they'll do it right.
I just found your channel today and I am binge watching your videos! I love your sense of humor and how you explain films! Subscribed!
Hey Filmento, this is the first vid I watched of you. Really, really good. Right up there with Stuckman and Jeremy. Actually, equally good - but this review is better than both of theirs. And, this is a unique take of the review of the movie. Keep up the good work.
"Original Concept" was said at least 20 times in the video.
Someone hasn't heard of Metal Gear Solid.
Y'all ever hear of Looper? What he meant was "not a reboot"
that would make a hell of good movie, too bad it's Konamis property
The only difference is that metal gear also explores the concept of inherited fates (the cursed genes) and also handled the old vs new much better (mostly in 4)
I feel like the story lead to the fight at the end where henry and junior were fighting the more dehumanized clone that felt nothing. I feel like that was what Clay was striving for and Junior was the first incantation of that. So Junior, although being a clone, IS still a human and feels emotions etc. Clay's first experiment, Junior, failed so he continued experimenting and messing with child clones DNA that were created via Henry's DNA. When the super soldier's mask at the end came off and the characters had that brief interaction with him before he died I was like "holy hell this guy is so much more badass than Henry and Junior" and when he didn't feel anything, proposed by Danny, I was like "oh damn" Clay did it.
The movie is about Henry and Junior and the struggle there but the true threat is the super soldier at the end, not Junior. Junior was just the first attempt at the super soldier at the end.
I really enjoyed this movie and I'm no movie analyst or anything so my opinions mean very little. These were just my thoughts throughout the movie
The villain actually treating the cline as his own son could've been a good thing, great thing. To everyone he says they need a perfect soldier and what not but he has a complex of having a son he never had or lost, which is even showed with the framed picture, making him a 3 dimensional character with all the "you were like my own son" going on at the end.
Single best intro on your channel!!! “Oh that’s HOTT!” I actually LOL-ed.
So, if you would go with Junior being a future warfare then he should have been using smartphone bombs, drones and thermal sights while Henry would be using just iron sights, old time tripwire traps and knowledge of enviroment
10:56 that 'random small town' looks like the town at the end of First Blood.
Haha, that was probably your best intro!
thanks!
"Content I'm not supposed to watch, hehehe."
Does he mean po-
"Like watching US Netflix while I'm not in the US."
Oh.
7:07 7:26 8:52 Excitebiker joins Super Smash Bros!!
It would also actually fit with the intended theme if maybe the original hesitated at the start because of the risk to the girl. That way he loses his edge in the eye of the villain.
Other ways they could contrast young and old Smith:
Old Smith is confident in his methods and abilities, so he follows through on opportunities and doesn't hesitate (unless innocent train girls are involved); however, this carries the disadvantage of inflexibility, so he struggles to adapt when things don't go to plan.
Young Smith is much more flexible (physically and figuratively), so when something isn't working, he's ready to try something new; this carries the disadvantage of him dropping strategies and plans that may have eventually worked too soon, and hesitation since he isn't yet confident in his abilities.
This could play out in their meeting with old Smith opting for a classic bike, while young Smith uses a newer bike: young Smith easily tracks old Smith's noisier and slower bike, maneuvering through tight alleys and steets to catch up. When he tries to ram old Smith, he goes flying because the classic bike is much heavier. Old Smith could then lose his bike because it breaks down or can't take a tight turn.
When they get to hand-to-hand combat, young Smith goes in very acrobatic, and gets bodied by the heavier and stronger (but slower and less flexible) old Smith, who went in boxing. Young Smith then changes up his style, and uses old Smith's weight against (his centre of mass being at the shoulders) by sweeping out his legs. If old Smith still has to win this encounter, he could do so by remembering to adapt: he remembers his own weaknesses as a young assassin, figuring they might also apply to this young assassin (*cough cough* foreshadowing) and exploits them.
I mean ye it sounds like this would have been WAY better if old henry used older techniques, that could even explain why he's past his prime now as he misses the shot using just the scope but newer assassins are using technology to help predict where to aim which they could then have kept up throughout the film as you said with old vs new and old Henry winning in the end with his greater experience and making us of the flaws of modern technology which can be exploited which is why he never switched over to it.
That's not a very realistic one. Or even a good one. Maybe him having experience and knowing himself would be better
Imagin the old guy is using clever tricks or tactics in fighting instead of actual head to head with his younger peak version
The classic "tell but not show" as well as the common contradiction and lack of focus
Such a shame that a unique idea is ruined by flawed execution, well it isn't that unique or new but it is still quite an exciting premise
The problem with this movie being released now is that it is difficult to do old vs new since the two are indistinguishable as compared to 20 years ago. In 2000, old school was considered someone who fought in Vietnam and Korea and goes by respective rules of engagement and uses "tools of the trade" from that era, now it's someone who fought the the gulf war which used basically the exact same equipment and applied similar techniques as the new, except with the new having only slight updates to equipment
When a movie is “almost” good but fails.
What would’ve been interesting would’ve been seeing Henry fending Junior off by means of more smarts. He’s older and more experienced, so he could set up something a la Home Alone while Junior is clearly superior in combat prowess due to still being very much in his prime.
Good point. Older Will Smith can't fight as well because his body is failing him but he still has his wits and experience about him.
the intro of the add at the end was cool
Just because somebody makes a clone of you. It Doesn't mean that clone would be the same. Junior's upbringing was totally different from Henry's.
@Black Ninja
My clone is the complete opposite from me.
If he was cloned from the dna shouldn't he have the exact same memories? And therefore the exact same upbringing? Or are you refering to the day he was birthed? His upbringing from day 1 is totally not the same as being brought to life naturally. And the clone, how young is he? It being polite and stuff does seem quite off to me. Was it shown in the movie that it was tought those things or is it drawing from implanted memories?
@@orarinnsnorrason4614 Pretty sure he wouldn't have any of those memories unless they showed him home videos or something.
@@orarinnsnorrason4614 that's not how dna or memories work. You need the exact same environment and upbringing down to the smallest details to replicate the same person.
Otherwise you'll just copy the body itself.
@@Soridan but still, if you take a DNA of a man who have already became a perfect solder, you can train his clone to be a perfect soldier as well, and the whole thing does makes sence because some people are more prone to be perfect soldiers due to their physical abilities
Logan did it perfectly. They didn't market younger Logan. Didn't show him in the film until the perfect moment.