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Marvel's Eternals is a new MCU movie that not only flopped at the box office compared to its peers, but it's also the lowest rated MCU movie on Rotten Tomatoes -- all of which makes it seems like Eternals is a bad Marvel movie. That doesn't necessarily mean the movie itself is bad though, but rather that it doesn't appeal to general audiences the same way these big tentpole blockbusters usually do. So today let's take another look at the fundamentals of big plot-driven blockbuster movies -- which we discussed in the Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest video -- to find out what Eternals did wrong in that sense. Here's how to fail at making a Marvel movie.
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Marvel's Eternals (2021)
Directed and co-written by Chloe Zhao, this latest release from Marvel Studios and the sequel to Avengers: Endgame (2019) follows the events in the previous film installment which saw half of the population return once again to earth. This event triggers “the emergence,” the appearance of the immortal and superpowered alien race known as The Eternals that have existed secretly on earth for more than 7,000 years. Now The Eternals fight alongside humans against the Deviants in order to protect humankind. Co-starring Salma Hayek, Angelina Jolie, Richard Madden, and Kit Harington.
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Avengers: Infinity War (2018)
Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr.), Spider Man (Tom Holland), Thor (Chris Hemsworth) and all the other Avengers unite to assemble their power in order to fight the necessary battle against their biggest collective enemy, Thanos (Josh Brolin), before he can wreak his havoc across the entire world. Scarlett Johansson, Benedict Cumberbatch, Vin Diesel, Chris Evans, Karen Gillan, Zoe Saldana, and Dave Bautista also star. Directed by Anthony Russo and Joe Russo.
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Mission Impossible Fallout (2018)
After a dangerous assignment involving the recovery of stolen plutonium goes wrong, Ethan Hunt (Tom Cruise) elects to keep his team out of harm's way rather than complete their mission, which results in a team of expertly trained operatives taking possession of nuclear weapons. Consequently, Ethan and his IMF eternals full movie online watch everything wrong with eternals honest trailer eternals cinemasins eternals galactus eternals after credits thanos eternals 4k clip hd best moments funniest moments eternals ending explained easter eggs eternals 2 eternals trailer official trailer eternals review reaction eternals bad movie eternals great movie eternals terrible marvel movie team (Simon Pegg, Ving Rhames, Rebecca Ferguson) must join forces with CIA assassin August Walker (Henry Cavill) in order to prevent a catastrophic nuclear fallout. Produced, written and directed by Christopher McQuarrie. Also starring Alec Baldwin, Angela Bassett, and Michelle Monaghan.
What baffles me is why they didn't just do this as a Disney+ series. All the pacing issues identified here could have much more easily been dealt with over six 45-minute episodes, or something along those lines.
Haha, just wrote something very similar, then came to confirm my views 👍
Kinda like the Snyder cut
There’s more money to be earned from a movie than a series bud 😉
Agreed. But Figie wanted that huge ass celestial emergence on the big screen.
Because Disney thought they could just have a blockbuster film because of a swath of A-list actors and that they are Marvel. The budget was over 200 million dollars. They wanted A-list talent and all the visuals so they couldn't release as a series budget wise. Even though yes had they exercised restraint and took the time it needed as a series it would have been easily the best MCU series.
I feel like the whole schtick with "we've been watching over earth since the dawn of time" doesn't really work when you've had multiple planet level threats and they did NOTHING. "we've been told not to interfere" is the "somehow, palpatine has returned" of marvel.
Eternals: "We've been told not to interfere."
Also Eternals: *develop and introduce the plow to humanity, revolutionizing agriculture and allowing for humanity's further development*
Atleast it's better than the palpatine one. The palpy one is the equivalent of saying "somehow, Hitler returned". It sounds stupid, doesn't make sense or tell you HOW he returned. Poe's actor looked so dead while saying that line. Atleast he's getting redeemed by playing Moonknight
to be fair its like that in the comics
@@le_meme_man8983 Ngl that made me almost bust out laughing "Somehow, Hitler returned". But yeah. That was the stupidest line in the movie to me just because it was not at all needed. It's like the entire audience is asking that question and when the characters are thinking it too it suddenly becomes so much worse. Like all they needed to do was have some character that we know mention something about The Sith and their dark force abilities, and if anyone would have known them it would have been the late Emperor who had endless galactic resources for decades. ANYTHING like that at all would be the most logical thing for those characters to mention.
But yeah The Eternals as whole I greatly dislike. They really should have made it so they were fucking sleeping for so many years after defeating all the aliens and only wake up to when the aliens reemerging. Like who thought it was a smart idea to have them just do nothing when a alien with power to wipe out half the whole Universe was on Earth. Protecting Earth my ass, from what? Big Alien NPCs that Spiderman probably could kill? Yeahhhhh sure. And then even ignoring all of that, Thanos when he came back to Earth in Endgame said he was gonna wipe out Earth personally for being annoying. Where tf were they then. All they needed to do was have them SLEEP. Literally would have made the movie play so much better as well.
@@Sarah_H It's like the writers weren't even trying
The Eternals should have been a mini-series - the characters and lore are way too involved and complex for a two hour movie.
It would have been Inhumans mk.II
Agreed.
Complex? rly? Even 2hrs movie is too much for them. They are engineered humans and all of them have same powers. Even concept of them is stupid (created to protect humanity, something like that, can't remember comics completely). They are like non-impressive X-men or Avengers 2.0 that are Superman rip offs. Honestly, even their concept is not worthy as movie idea. It would be better to finally create transformers movie that would be accurate to lore and include only robots, actually good Star Wars movie, even movie about Dr. Doom would be 1000000000000 times better that movies besides original avengers mcu cast(plus Ant-man movie which is kinda charming). To conclude, they are worse than first 2 hulk movies, but not as the sheetiest marvel movie ever cpn mrvl and all of its succesors to come.
@WardeNFuzioN so, just say you never read the comics. The point of the Eternals is that said "engineered humans" are the basis of every mythology and legend in the ancient world and saw human society evolve from the beginning. That's a lot of ground to cover in 2 hours.
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I still don't understand how the Earth is fine after the emergence. Yes it was stopped but waaaaay too much of that Celestial came out of the Earth for it to be ok. Chunks of oceans were displaced and tectonic plates got all fucked up at the very least. The Earth should be a wasteland after this movie.
Also I guess the core of the earth is now solid marble? I think that's kind of going to completely destroy the most fundamental aspects of what makes the world habitable.
And it hasn't been mentioned in the MCU since, lol.
@@ultraguy14 Meh, who cares about the Earth's magnetic field, Mars is doing just fine ever since it lost its own one too. It almost has water and an atmosphere left!
Yeah, and the place where their fighting should be cover in water already, but welp somehow the tsunami stopped before reaching anywhere.
literal fingers and a head tore up the surface of the earth and they're all acting like nothing happened
The fact that Harry Styles becoming Thanos’s brother is an actual thing is something i never thought would happen
Starfox had me cryiiiinnnngggg
In the theater like 💀💀💀
Is becoming*
I wonder how much they paid him for that
Its kinda funny that it’s the only thing ppl actually remember when they think of this movie
If there’s two things we can all agree on about Eternals, it’s that the monster man was completely wasted and things might have been better if it was an expanded tv series.
I love the film, but I was a bit miffed that they wasted Olyphant like that.
Edit: Come to think of it, it's like Mickey Rourke all over again. There was something great there, but there was something else that was greater already there.
Would of been worse. Lower VFX budget would of killed this as a series. Same shit happened to Mando S02 and Boba, turned into lazy VFX probably due to budget and writing suffered big time. If you can't nail it in movie what makes you think it would be "nailed" as a 8 part mini series.
im still not certain its worse than captain marvel
And that the show was absolutely shit
@@iamafish7 imagine having no taste
This should’ve been a series. Not only would that serve the character development better and benefit the epic scope, but blockbuster movies are big merchandise movers, of which this movie’s sold very poorly. They could’ve saved the money they lost from the boring merch and put it toward other things.
the director and writer said that they wanted the celestials to be presented on the big screen
@@Vihan__17 they could tease an eternal movie with the celestial emergence as it’s main focus, and elaborate more on the conflict in the group, etc… then you would have each character getting developed throughout the series, fight Kro at the end and then maybe the movie could be about Sersi learning that the deviants were made to serve the same purpose of eternals, then they unite and fight
Yeah, they could have had each character get a central episode (that would explore their backstories and how they intertwine with our history), while also developing the plot in the 'present'.
Probably would’ve been more successful but it wouldn’t have been utilized correctly, the visuals wouldn’t have been as good, the cast would’ve never agreed and like most of the other marvel Disney + series it would’ve become irrelevant and serve little to no purpose.
At the very least a trilogy in a half but the writer was lazy. She did 10 movies in 2hrs.
I was actually hyped for the evolved deviant he had a genuine cause and conscious then just as it got super interesting
Boom they’re dead
Disappointment immeasurable
Yeah came outta nowhere , was so lame , that could of been a interesting movie in itself
@@mattyward4822 yeah
it gets worse when you consider the comic version of the character- the Deviants are somewhat monstrous humanoids who the Celestials created as part of their experiments on ancient humans, were considered a failure, and dumped in giant underground caverns away from the beautiful 'good guys', the normal humans and Eternals. They've understandably upset over all this.
Kro is their immortal leader who has an on and off Romeo and Juliet thing going on with Thena (which the movie did at least pay a tidbit of homage to). While the started out as a generic 'ugly villain race' back when they were created, more recent sympathetic writers basically turned them into another Magneto and his Brotherhood, only they've been screwed by the normies for millennium instead of just the past few decades. At one point Kro actually had an office job at the Pentagon personally smoothing out Deviant/USA relations via getting visas to the surface world in exchange for some of that ancient Celestial tech they held onto.
Okay, I'm not saying that 3 hours of watching these monster guys doing paperwork for Green Cards would've been a better movie than the one we got, but it's still still a sore point with me that they got reduced back to 'even uglier, MORE monstrous evil bad guys'.
@@andrewparsons2391 true
I was pretty much expecting that Deviant to switch side at the end, cause his motivation was to continue living and that the Eternals were killing them. If the Eternals turned out to be preventing the newly born Celestial from killing everyone, then it makes logical sense for it to switch and fight alongside the Eternals to prevent Tiamut's birth.
Eternals should have been a series first, showing thier adventures through earths history, developing the familial relationships they all shared and how being with humanity affected each of them. Then the movie.
I completely agree, but the movie is far from a failure.
@@surr3al305 o i liked it, it was very interesting and i saw so much potential for telling good stories but it was like watching a highlights compilation from three or four movies.
That's how I felt it too.
Just put the great reveal in the final episode. Show the celestial in the finale. This will blow people's mind.
In my humble opinion, I would have liked this movie to be a 10 episode series, and perhaps stopping the big celestial plot be a movie on its own. This way each of the characters can be introduced in their own stylistic way, such as the engineer man having a whole episode where they recall his POV towards the atomic bombs like they teased in the movie. This way the audience could connect to the characters more. Also they could have had the noodles aliens be the antagonists of the series and them hunting down the eternals one by one so that the team has to overcome this hurdle in-order to get the band back together. Meanwhile they could have also made the celestial plot a tease, never fully explaining what is actually going on and also not showing the celestials at all. They can then finally reveal the celestial in the movie taking advantage of the big screen experience.
Great idea, would’ve worked much better that way
That sounds great, I enjoyed the flashbacks to ancient history and especially ww2. In a series we would have had more time to explore that as well
fantastic idea, but not everyone has disney+ or the will to whatch the entire series; many would have just gone to the theather without knowing the series behind
EXACTLY
It even had vibes of being a series in Netflix/Disney+ like Legion
Let’s save this for the X-men
I wish they did more with the evolved Deviant. It was kind of pointless being there.
He didn’t even have a proper name in the movie! That’s how underutilized he was.
I remember the Dark Elves in Thor: The Dark World than I did with that Deviant.
Would've been very interesting to see him move on from one hero to the next like a serial killer, evolving more and more toward his perfect form. Then in the 3rd act he could've absorbed superman as well and it'd been like oh crap. But of course we just gotta have that save the whole world galaxy stuff...
@@Filmento When they revealed the whole celestial thing in the earth and that devaints were trying to keep the population low, I thought in the third act the eternals would ask for his help to stop superman, promising that they are on his side and they are trying to stop the celestial from borning, getting a him from enemy to ally. But nope, got killed instead in a really lame way
I would rather have the deviants to be the main plot of the movie
Instead of the whole celestial seed thing (I mean yeah, it does create for lore, but fck that)
The fact Eternals suggests that we humans are so mindnumbingly stupid as a race that we needed help from omniscient science gods to create the PLOW is dumb and insulting.
fr, it couldve been about how they witnessed humans natural inventiveness like when they made the plow or other devices that they decided to make contact and aid in societal development like with building the pyramids or something. i guess its to explain why the general public never questions their absence during world wide threats, the entire human race needed to be dumbed down so that the hero’s wouldn’t look like assholes in the publics eye
Almost every time I go to a restroom in a restaurant, I *always* see signs saying "employees must wash hands before returning to work." Yes. Yes we are that stupid, collectively.
@@thesteelsquid863 That's not a sign of stupidity, that's a sign of laziness. We are LAZY as a species, but we are intelligent enough not to have needed aliens to help create anything.
@@danielbroome5690 The active choice to be lazy is stupid though. Both laziness and stupidity result in similar negative consequences. Whether or not someone is too stupid to do something or too lazy, the results will be the same. Either way, they typically create negative consequences for the people around you, and either way, the stupid or lazy person in question won't care about that.
I agree completely, they should have shown Phastos teaching and humans coming up with solutions using his guidance
Honestly, if MARVEL had made Eternals a show on Disney+, it would have been much better. We could have gotten an episode for each character, and maybe it could have caused for further character development.
series alright.. one episode per character? not necessarily... just use some flashbacks like they did in the movie but of course without needing to rush everything
Imo if they scraped the high paid celebs with new upcoming good actors, you could of done a series easily with their budget. Plus if its good that hype builds.. Like I'd argue half the subs Disney + got back in the day was due to the Mandalorian. Like a film like Oceans 11 works since you can put in a ton of characters that only need dialogue.. But a super hero film? Its just a dumb idea.
Sometimes I wonder what they pay the CEOs and directors for
Like....if they decide to introduce all of the new characters in a single movie and that movie isn't even good.....??????
Just like some teen shows do. Move the plot foward but with focus on one character
I think the biggest problem with Eternals is that it's a Marvel movie ,and with that come some expectations. I liked the quieter moments much better than the action scenes,although i must admit those were shot very well. But i would definitely swap action for character easily. This movie needed more character and less CGI action scenes.
The whole movie is the proof that doesn’t matter if you have an indie background, a blockbuster is a totally different area.
Who didn't know that already, Roger Ebert Jr?
Didn't we learn that with Black Widow as well? And Josh Trank on Fourtastic?
Marvel (and Hollywood in general) really seems to think Gunns and Taika's just grow on trees.
But Taika and Gunn had indie background. I think I'm blaming this on Feige, man haven't been right since he did Cpt. Marvel.
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom Cause EndGame, Far from Home, Shang-Chi, and No Way Home are such dumpster fires. /s
@@Jayson12678 Its almost like three of those were movies that they knew they had to get right. All of the bad movies tend to be the smaller movies with new characters nobody cares about. It also helps when they don't play the political appeasement game.
So basically, while the DCEU has attempted to make MCU type films lately, the MCU has turned around and, with The Eternals, attempted to make their own DCEU film.
It has all finally come full circle now
No, dceu wants to go back to their old glory with The dark knight trilogy era by making joker and the batman that are oscar worthy films. Because they know MCU film's formulas are too generic and cliche, and as the time goes it indeed gets boring. cliche.
@@dyoralexan9351 They clearly have a couple diffident paths going. Yes films like the joker and Batman are reminiscent of the Nolan films but you’d be wrong to say films like suicide squad, aquaman, Shazam/black Adam, are going the same route. Those are the films that are “mcu-izing” themselves.
which dc movie/s lately are MCU type?
@@michaelthatoker7125 I know you're not talking about "The Suicide Squad" from 2021.
The most hilarious part was Salma Hayek being a literal god(and their friggin’ leader at that) using a shotgun against the deviants instead of her powers. I was genuinely baffled.
Wasn't her only power healing though? She's the Leader and the main support player. I didn't remember her having any offensive abilities.
@@christophersmith1062 you're right. However, she (along with all the other eternals) has superhuman attributes. Fighting with her bare hands may have been far more effective than fighting with a shotgun.
@@christophersmith1062 the thing is shotguns were not around before when they fought the deviants the first time, so how did she kill them then? It doesn’t make sense for Ajak to be the leader and have healing powers and no fighting abilities whatsoever
@@eerielconstantine5051 She uses a sword at one point but in the scene with the shotgun she doesn't have a sword. She sees a shotgun on the ground left from the miners that got killed there and picks it up, which implies she thinks it would give her an advantage compared to fighting with her bare hands. I'm not sure where everyone is getting this idea that it's weird for her unique powers to only be supportive. She's the group's healer. It's not that complicated. People are talking about her having super strength like it's enough for her to fight the deviants and win alone but it seemed pretty obviously implied that the deviants also have superior strength.
@@christophersmith1062 I’m sorry, but healer or not - a shotgun being stronger than a God’s combat abilities is just weak writing. No excuse whatsoever. That’s like using a glock pistol to kill Thor’s mother. Even though she isn’t exactly a fighter, it would be ridiculous.
The plot of this movie actually justifies Thanos' motivation in Infinity War. If Thanos actually knew that life bearing planets are eggs for Celestials who will emerge once the population reaches a certain threshold, him wanting to snap away half of life to prolong the emergence of Celestials in order to preserve life actually makes sense and makes him a genuinely compelling villain with justifiable motivation. As is now, Thanos's desire to snap away half of life to preserve resources as opposed to just using the stones to increase resources or send life to other universes, make uninhabitable planets, habitable, etc, makes no damn sense. Worse he destroys the stones so life can just propagate again in like two generations. What even is the point, then?
He's the mad titan, his plan makes sense to him but wouldnt to us.
@@psycho6776 movie Thanos was never shown to be anything but a rational being. If he was truly 'mad' it would've been shown to us in the story. He's a great character but his motivation lacks depth and is simple bad writing. A child can break down why decimating the population only to only them to repopulate while destroying the means to do it again makes no sense.
@@Wolfman7870
He genocided half the universe. If that's not mad then mad is just not a thing that exists.
@@Carabas72 he genocided them because he “had a rational reason to” that’s not insane, that’s practical
@@justadummy8076 And the reason being?
The biggest issue with the mess it leaves behind for the MCU. There’s literally a stillborn god partially sticking out of the ocean. It’s absurd. Why did this have to take place on earth?
Agreed. And didn't Arishem make an appearance at the end too and everyone saw it?? I heard that the Hawkeye series takes place after Eternals and its kind of weird how no ones ever mentioned anything that happened
I think that marvel in general is sleeping on this. That scene was really cool and exciting. and the step up with mainstream celestials and what not being brought into the MCU is a great way to take a level up past thanos. but there has been several movies and TV series since this movie that dont even remotely mention the events of the climax of this movie. I think thats a big franchise plot hole if you ask me.
@lionclaw Two years later and you finally have an answer. (Captain America 4 explains it is being used as a source of adamantium, lol.
I just wanna say one thing:
Can we talk about how the Eternals let one innocent father die to a Deviant just to stand dramatically on a mountain?
Had me thinking this girl was gonna harbor ill will towards them and become the antagonist who kills them. Sorta like Baron Zemo to the Avengers, sure they saved the majority but not everybody.
Also ads for this movie make me think there's a new Aladdin movie because the trailer only shows the Gun Guy's movie part
Ikr - wanna tell me he couldn't have blasted that thing a second sooner?
I don't even remember that bit shows how boring it was
@@wizzleuno Lol - opening scene
well thats pretty realistic in relation to the real individuals they're based on
They definitely killed off imperfect cell too Early.
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That's the same problem that I have with DC movies they just kill off the bad guys so easily
For me, this felt like a lore movie, something to set up future films and series without putting the effort into being an an actual movie.
It is, its basically a world building movie like Dune.
i actually wanted that but i don't think the movie really succeeded at that either
@@kronozord8346 dune was actually good though
Justice league?
That’s correct. They didn’t even want to wrap up the movie properly. It pretty much ends with a “To Be Continued”
That reaction you had when seeing the Deviant get killed at the end, was the exact reaction I had, figuratively. That Deviant was such a waste of a character, and such a waste of an idea. The movie is trying to make known the theme, or rather the question of whether or not a person should betray their creators or go against their given purpose. However when it comes to that Deviant gaining consciousness that is another area where the movie fails.
It presents an absolutely amazing idea, about a sentient species that were used by the Celestials like pawns, and they change to the point where they gain awareness of themselves, the things around them, and existence itself. It presents the idea that something gains awareness of how sad it's existence was, almost like they weren't worth anything. They were just being used as pawns by the Celestials, and being mercilessly killed because these animal like creatures started to become more aware and intelligent, they had the will to live. Enthen they made it where one gains the same intelligence and awareness as a human. Further making another character that is aware of how messed up the Deviants existence is and how they are being killed, and used by others as pawns. He likely wanted to make a path towards salvation for his own species, leading them to a better future. This very idea of a character was so interesting and amazing to me. I expected that at the end perhaps he would find peace with the eternals, or atleast try to make peace with them, so that he can lead his kind to a better future. Realizing that the threat is not the eternals but rather the Celestials. . . . . . . .
But we can't do that right? Let's just make another big CGI monstrosity for our main protagonists to once again beat the crap out of and then kill them in the coolest way possible. That seems alot better than actually giving an antagonist any depth right Disney? I mean surely we shouldn't break the truly flawless cycle of constantly killing off the villain, right?
wisecrack, right?
Tl;dr
Right, I kept thinking maybe he absorb all the eternals or at least some then he would be powerful enough to save the planet, or maybe he would just work together with them when he realized they had the same goal. I know we were supposed to feel sad when the other eternals died but I felt more excited to see the new development of this character as he absorbed each one of them. But nope, let's just kill him after we establish he can heal himself
I was SO annoyed when that happened. Not only were they talking about these Deviants also being pawns as the Eternals were, but also they stated on their plan earlier that they could've used the Deviants' HELP to easily take down the Celestials. BUT NO. Revenge plot and action and stuff is WAY cooler.... :-/
@@redtiger8275 i was rootin' for the deviant....
Throughout watching this movie, the one thing that kept going through my mind was that it was a good story told in the wrong order.
Clearly, Ajak’s death is meaningful to the characters, but why should we care? Oh, now that she’s dead, we get a bunch of flashbacks to retroactively care.
Clearly, there’s something between Sersi and Ikaris, but why should we care? Oh, here’s a bunch of flashbacks.
Honestly, just providing the scenes in chronological order would’ve made the movie so much better than it was. Sure, it ruins the twist at the end, but it gives the audience knowledge the characters don’t have and creates suspense and makes us worry about how this news is going to impact the characters instead of us feeling disconnected the whole time.
How Ajak died still could've been a big reveal.
@@iamafish7 Yeah, honestly they could’ve just left out Ikaris’ role, and by making the rest chronological, it would’ve been way more impactful
How can you even remember the Names of these forgettable Characters?
@@ahabduennschitz7670 lol bc I’m a Greek and Roman classics major, and their names are so clearly derivative from Greek characters
@@ahabduennschitz7670 by finding them interesting and wanting to see more out of them.
Honestly I really don't think the problem was "Its needs to be like other blockbusters/needs less slow character moments" I think the problem was no one WANTED to like it. The powers were simple and uninteresting, the designs were basic, the plot seemed boring, the fact these characters exist at this level undermines endgame and all our beloved heroes, and Marvel was really pushing the fact that Chloé Zhao "Oscar Winner" was directing it.
if you take into account that these characters were not as iconic or nostalgically remembered as the avengers gang, or the already ridiculed premise of heros barely interacting with each other in their own respective movies yet seemingly fighting world-ending threats on the daily....
makes me wonder if this movie ever really had a shot, or if it was doomed to flop
They dumped like 10+ new characters on us all at the same time and suddenly want us to give a shit about them. Bruh I watched the movie in theaters and I couldn't even tell you which one is which. On top of that the movie had absolutely AWFUL pacing and felt like it went on for easily an hour too long.
@@danlorett2184 hey that's not fair I remember them
I remember glilgamesh, and icarus and.. eeh
The engineer from tf2
Tinker bell
Discount wonderwoman
Serated knife
Was probably hit by a flash bang at some point in her life
Protagonist person
Mercy from overwatch
Yosemite Sam
Am I missing any one
@@camoking3609 True, Gilgamesh is the one dude I remember, he was a total chad in this movie then they just let him die for no reason.
Character moments, when done right, are a million times more interesting than CGI fights.
While seeing the movie, i couldn't stop thinking about the fact that the flashbacks alone would make a nice character-driven movie. It could explore the caracter's relationships while maybe having the tangible goal of eradicate the deviants, a second movie could've been all about the deviants returning and trying to conquer earth as an apex predator or some shit, and maybe just forget about the celestials bullshit? Or it could've been a third movie focused only on that.
Or they could've just made a tv series.
This what i kept saying after leaving the theatre. They kept teasing us with a better movie interrupted by boring drama and a "sex" scene.
Wow that is so genius!!!!
Eternals 1: relationship with human
Eternals 2: return of deviants
Eternals 3: THE EMERGENCE
Same thing I said, should've been a series
Yes. The idea of a superhero blockbuster about ultra powerful badasses fighting an alien plague is great, and the idea of a slow burn epic about immortals helping human society to develop is also great. It's the jumbled mix of both that destroys all of them.
@@starkillersneed for some reason, they try to do everything in 2 hours, and we end up with a half-assed convoluted mess
I’ve often wondered how a movie so long could have such little character development….
and you have such low attention lol
@@joel88627 it’s true. I see something shiny, and it’s off on another adventure. My wife has to keep me on a harness….
@@allendean9807 2.3 hours is long for you damn
Because with so many characters that have to be introduced and developed there’s not enough time for everyone..and with so many flashbacks and a plot that has to go on..there’s not enough time for everything.
@@AhmedAli-tp6bl well, in truth, having red the Kirby and Gaiman runs, there’s far better material for them to have mined. It would have been better, in my humble opinion, to have adapted the Gaiman story, where they are all unaware of who they are, must reunite, and battle the deviants. Leave out the celestials for the first film, and bring it in the second movie, that way the characters have already been established.
This is my fear for a FF film. They’ll try to cram Dr. doom, Silver Surfer, Watcher and Galactus into the first film, rather than simply introducing the characters on their own. Eternals started out disjointed, then went into flashbacks, then flash forwards, and never gave the time to invest in any of the ensemble.
Honestly, the worst part for me was that even with all the character moments, the characters were still incredibly flat, especially Sersi and Ikaris, our two main characters. The few with actual personality, Gilgamesh, and the speedster and machine man whose names I can’t remember, didn’t matter at all.
Phasto 💪
Those were my three favourites
Yeah, it was supposed to be a character piece, but it had way too many characters for any focus. Iron Man was a really good exploration of the character and growth of Tony Stark because it was focused on him, and the action scenes were actually part of his arc, not just distractions from the non-existent plot. That scene where he's watching the attack on whatever the village was on TV and you just see him say "enough" in his head was epic, as was the scene in which he actually takes on the terrorists.
Also, I loved Gilgamesh too. His relationship with Thena was I think the best one in the movie, because it shows that he actually cares enough to spend hundreds of years taking care of her, and as someone who has struggled with mental illness and been helped by family a lot, it was hugely meaningful to me. Cersei and Ikaros just had the hots for each other. And also no chemistry.
Who tf is cercy and icarus
@@RorikH I think it could have been a good movie with all the characters if they had stuck to the actual premise of the movie and made them feel like undying people, which they didn't. The characters were just cardboard pieces
Ikaris is incredibly flat?
Come on, you can do better than this.
The biggest problem is introducing 10 characters, developing lore, tackling 2 timelines, all while having a plot and adding a twist in one movie. I, like most people, think this would’ve worked better as a Disney+ series!
Episode 1: “Where It All Began”
The lore episode. Explains the Eternal’s/the universe’s origin
Episode 2: “More Eternals”
More of everything! The flashbacks involving the entirety of the team in one episode
Episode 3: “Sersi and Sprite’s Bogus Journey”
The segment with Sersi, Sprite, Kit Harrington, and Ikaris in the city fighting a deviant, Ajak dies
Episode 4: “Eternals Bollywood of Fame”
The hilarious introduction to Kingo and journey to Thena and Gilgamesh
Episode 5: “Gilgamesh and Thena’s Even More Bogus Journey”
The segment with the Eternals meeting up with Gilgamesh and Thena
Episode 6: “Druig’s Townspeople”
The Druig segment with big action sequences and the death of Gilgamesh
Episode 7: “Phastos’s Story”
Gives us the segment at Phastos’s house and then flashbacks to Hiroshima in the 40s and him questioning humanity’s morally
Episode 8: “Ikaris the Great and Powerful”
Gives us more information on Ikaris and reveals him as the true threat.
Episode 9: “It’s the End of the World As We Know It”
The final battle/lead up to the climax of the movie in an episode.
Episode 10: “The Celestial Dilemma”
The final conclusion of the film. All the crazy celestial stuff, ending scenes, and post credits to wrap up the series
Eternals is like if you took The Avengers, made it the first Marvel movie ever, cut out anything resembling character development, character dynamics, action scenes, heart, humour, story structure, and replaced it all with heavy handed exposition that not only is boring as shit but also somehow manages to make less and less sense the more the movie tries to explain things.
Yeah they squeezed a story of 4-5 movies into one..
If you see Avengers without having watched Iron Man, Thor or Captain America, you have that same feeling... It's not that great of a movie in terms of screenplay
Yep!
@@_lorefp_ Lmao literally no it isn't.
I didn't even like half the pre-Avengers phase 1 movies, mind you, and neither did a lot of people, which you apparently seem to forget. In fact Cap 1 was downright ignored in favour of Harry Potter, people found Thor too cheesy and Hulk was mixed. The Avengers showed what happens when you combine them with a chracter that is well loved and are given to a writer who knows how to make them play off each other well.
Eternals has none of that. For one it breaks the most important rule of storytelling, "Show don't tell", several times. That opening crawl, plus all those flashbacks that serve no other purpose than exposition beecause the writers couldn't be arsed to properly write backstory for them nor give us a reason to care. There was zero dynamic between any of the characters, so every time a character says they love one another, I kept thinking "...uh, okay? They only interact with each other when the movie needs them to rather than there being a natural point A to point B progression for any of them. None of the characters have any goals. By the end of the movie when the movie tries to strive for emotion it doesn't earn with Ikaris' death scene it's just plain laughable because I still have no fucking idea who he is or why I should care.
@@_lorefp_ First off, more doesn't mean better. I thought everyone learned that in second grade. Second, diversity *also* doesn't mean better. Third, if this movie is considered well structured to you then I don't quite know if you should talk about what a good movie is. Fourth, the main problem with the movie is that it tries to stuff all these plot details and characters into one movie. You do know that something like the avengers was always a big event do you? The whole appeal of the avengers is having this big group of heros working together to defeat a big threat. Even people who aren't that smart can figure that out, which really shows how unintelligent you sound right now. Tl;Dr, having a movie like this with no buildup is idiotic and I hope that marvel learns to not mess up again like this.
You could have split this movie into two. The first part deals with the power sucking deavent and the next deals with preventing the emergence
That deviant was definitely a missed opportunity. It has such a dangerous power. Then nothing. I was 100% set on angelina dying and it becoming godly. But nope
Or, in line with what everyone else said, make the Deviant plot a show and the Emergence plot the movie.
Evangelion reference
I was actually surprised to see that Marvel didn't went with the 'Avengers strategy' for these characters. You know, give each one a origin movie then pitch them all against a common massive threat, they must have figured we were sick of this, but in that case the cast for this movie had to be far smaller to give us time to get to know each character.
They could have "sneaked" them in other movies, I don't know, Druig appearing with Dr. Strange, Phastos with Ant-man, and then, they could join together as the peak of phase 4 or something.
@@dupin2010 Most likely, the MCU will do just that. We have 3 eternals dead, 3 who are on a cosmic journey with Thanos' brother, 3 more who are being judged by the celestial Arishem and 1 who stayed on Earth.
I liked this film, it was a new narrative and with this fragmentation of the group, many things should emerge at this stage.
I believe we will already have news in the next Guardians of the Galaxy movie.
Origin movies for each Eternals would have bombed bro(like who would have paid to see a movie with only Kingo or that lil red head girl ?) , even in comics the Eternals are a joke and many marvel fans don’t even care about them so it would be even worse in live action
That is why it would have worked better on a streaming service, with one hour episodes for each character..
@@endcensorship874
That is very much not how tv shows work.
I think the major problem is the rhythm of the story, because we can see how chloe zhao tried to focus more in the drama aspects, like phastos romance, the druig dilema, and the Sprite complex, but only 2 hours is not good time to develop a lot of characters.
If this movie was a series, it would be a lot better...
I still want to know Druig's purpose. They're not allowed to interfere, but his power is mind control. Wat?
Exactly! He wasn't the Prime Eternal and could not force them to do what the Celestials ultimately wanted. Why would you give him this? It's a dumb power if you're not allowed to use it....
Probably in case humanity was to go extinct
Because in the comics all characters had all the powers with just like extra good at the one, you don't wanna make a movie about a team with all the same powers so everyone only got 1 of the powers they all used to have in comics
Lol
I love channels like this. Usually I enjoy watching Marvel movies. But when I hear an opinion from the movie writing perspective, I realize how these movies can still be improved from what I initially experienced.
The majority of what Filmento said in this video I experienced while watching The Eternals in the theater. The 2nd half of this movie completely falls apart. My younger brother kept on falling asleep watching it as well.
Personally i love them because as a non native english speaker it helps me put into words why i didn't like the movie which is basically everything he summed up
If I were to ruin movies for u, just watch the ones with highest ratings 8 and above. Eternals is 6.5.
I like watching him because funne
"We can only interject ourselves into human affairs when Deviants are involved except for the dozens of times we saved humans apart from Deviants in this film." This could have been an ok movie but it just destroys the whole Marvel universe story arch even worse than Captain Marvel's "I was off doing other stuff while Thanos was doing everything" plot.
It works and makes sense in both films, though. Captain Marvel was going throughout the universe (which is pretty damn big) and the Eternals explanation in their movie also makes sense too.
Tbf it makes sense with Captain Marvel, she's just one woman flying around the whole universe, not every piece of information is going to reach her in time. Plus, like she said in the movie, there was no reason for her to stick around on Earth when Earth has the Avengers while other planets don't have any protectors.
@@tuffdude7795 makes about as much sense as doctor strange seeing possible futures. it’s just a cheap plot device, except captain marvel and eternals is significantly worse
@@tuffdude7795 It wasn't so big that Thanos and his minions couldn't get wherever they needed to push the plot. There was never a satisfactory explanation of what was more important than preventing half of all life in the universe from going poof IMO. Eternals save humans from tiny danger all throughout the movie while claiming they cannot interfere unless the issue involves deviants. It struggles with any kind of coherence imo.
@@alphahale7668 I get that argument, but what other threat was comparable with Thanos and his minions at that time. Apparently Captain Marvel can just one hit Thanos and his ship anyway before going back to protect the rest of the universe. The Avengers, etc. also managed to leave Earth pretty regularly on missions, but all as part of the goal to stop and then reverse the plans of Thanos. It's just movies after all, but Captain Marvel and to a larger extent Eternals just felt like soulless money grabs that were crammed into the Marvel cinematic universe regardless of story cohesion.
OMFG the point you made at 11:09 changed the ENTIRE movie for me. That would have made the movie SO MUCH FUCKING BETTER! Make us hate the Deviants from the beginning !!!
They should have done something like this:
First Movie: The Eternals arrive on Earth and engage into kill the Deviants. Post credit scene, some of they survive. Relationship between Thena and Cro.
Second Movie: The Deviants are back, they need to discover why, and the rest of the plot we got from this movie with they confronting the Celestials.
The birth of the celestial could've been used to create a sense of urgency
But Tiamut conveniently wasn't born until AFTER they'd finished their thousand year reunion
This sounds much better and Disney could have made even more money this way too
I feel like deviants need to be explored more. They mentioned somewhere in the movie that they are just trying to survive. Maybe show a scene where they are being scared as eternals were hunting them down? Show the deviants leader grew hatred towards eternals, went into hiding and contemplating to hunt the eternals one by one by absorbing their power. Maybe show em succeeded in absorbing 2 or 3 powers right from the get go. I feel like they are too weak and their existence is just for Thena's revenge plot, It's stupid. They literally have the same goal in the end against Ikaris, which is to stop the emergence, they couldve set aside thousads years of feud and work together, but no.. Big monster cgi is bad, die. Ma boy arthur morgan said : "revenge is a fool man's game", and this would be a more appropiate lesson to teach to Timmy 10 yrs old.
In the comics the Deviants had actual personalities, dialogue and more charm than the spindly aliens
@@allowableman2 yeah they seem more like Orcs... I like them better in the comics
I didn't notice it in theaters but what you described is EXACTLY what Show Don't Tell is all about. He just SAYS things, "we're scared and ur evil and we're actually smart-" same thing with the Celestial, "we create, the time is 'now', the emergence is important" we never SEE ANYTHING. Visually this movie is so unique but the dialogue and characters and plot are so boringgggg
@@allowableman2 In Ikaris' group, one of his member and friend is a Deviant. The comics did it better. Trust the original material.
@@allowableman2 yes!! The ridiculous changes they made to the Deviants was AWFUL!
As well as Making the Eternals themselves synthetic beings. They are SUPPOSED to be Super Humans basically. Only The Human form Jacked Up 11! Like representative of the Peak of Human Potential. Furthermore, they only thing they served to do was Fuck Up the Backstory that Thanos laid out in Infinity War.
Only they went with
I was literally rooting for the destruction of Earth the entire time. That's what happens when your characters are uninteresting
- Thena was annoyingly going through a phase
- Druig was a dick
- Sprite was a brat
- who cares about Ajak
- Sersi was a pretty bland mc
Better characters:
- Gilgamesh was cool
- Makkari was entertaining to watch
- Phastos was okay
- Ikaris was an alright antagonist
- Kingo and Karun carried the comedy
Kumail is just naturally hilarious and charming
Honestly I expect a Scene like Phastos and Hiroshima, but with Druig and the Holocaust, after years and years of being told to just sit by and watch all this anarchy it’s understandable why he’s bitter
@@jackdamascus4506 I totally get why he is, but I still don't like it nevertheless. I enjoyed his character wanting to do something, wanting to step in to humanity's affairs, but he was still overall just a bad vibe
True, all of ot
intire time i was watcing i felt like Angelina Jolie was just trying so hard to appear not old/good looking, like that was the only important thing from her in this movie lmao
my thoughts on eternals: I did enjoy it but...after watching it I said "This should've been a tv show....it could've worked so much better that way..."
I felt the Eternals had taken the same mistake the DCEU has ever done a few years ago: rush in developing a collection of characters just to make the stakes as high as Infinity War, but all is stuffed in one movie.
Not really. First of all, no one would had watch solo films of these characters since they have no marketing power. Superman, Flash, Wonder Woman, are all known heroes without even seeing the film. Second, Marvel themselves know this won't be crowd pleasure as they mentioned "oscar" movie; and yes, most casual movie goers consider Oscars movies very boring movies. They did it this way to: 1) Set up the lore for the new phase, risking one film for the next 20 films. 2) They were desperate for a way to do it and had no idea how to make it work until it was pitched to them. 3) Eternals failed because it simply wasn't great compare to the rest of the Marvel movies, but hey, at least it's better than Moonfall
No it's much worse. It's dark universe. Characters nobody has thought about in decades.
@@JohnGalt916 well, that worked for Guardians of the Galaxy...🤷🏾♂️ And I just watched it for the first time. It was a decent stand alone IMHO.
In most hero-driven action movies, the audience is relatively secure that little of lasting consequence will happen to our main heroes. Part of the power of "Endgame" was to shake that security a bit. "Eternals" occurred with "Spiderman: No Way Home" (unquestionably the more important picture to the MCU's continued viability, even before its release) already on the schedule, and Disney+'s "Loki" casually throwing out that the most impactful events might be casually snuffed out of the "real" timeline. Within that context, trying to convince the audience that the world might be destroyed ("No, really! It could happen! This is serious!") was a laughable error of judgment. The broader franchise continuity giveth, and the broader franchise continuity taketh away.
This is a very good point. It's why Filmento emphasized the importance of a movie making us give a fuck about the characters more than the world ending. We are more likely to cry after 1 dude we really like dies than we are to cry after seeing the planet Earth pop like a zit.
There clearly is a lasting consequences though. Some of them got zapped away at the end of the film, Gilgamesh died, the little girl can age now (forget her name)... Am I missing something here. There are many marvel films that dont get this kind of backlash that have way less big consequences.
@@Ray03595 Maybe in part because in hero-driven action movies, a large cast of heroes all but designates certain characters for death to "raise stakes", tighten the focus of action, re-enforce particular themes, and/or allow one or more characters to betray the others. If you introduce your multitude of characters in earlier movies, and take time to give them weight, you get "Avengers"; if you crowd them all into one movie, you get "Suicide Squad". (Or "Army of the Dead", powers help you.) Or to put it another way- the rest of the MCU had a weight that made it inconceivable that the comparably weightless "Eternals" would budge it.
Watched this yesterday on Disney+ and I was literally fighting to stay awake... how does a movie with so much star power make me care SO LITTLE about the characters. I’d give this a 5/10 only because the action was ok and Kumail Nanjiani killed every scene he was in
My guy just educate yourself, read the myths and learn history, you will start to give a shit about characters. If it wasn't a marvel movie it would be one of my favourites, it just doesn't fit in the MCU
@@biklezhan4745 if you do all of this external stuff you may just start caring about this internal stuff.
@@anafu-sankanashi8933I know plenty about myths and history, and I think that knowledge if anything makes me dislike this kind of lazy writing even more
@@Henchman.24 id agree, my comment mostly is calling out the notion that you need to be aware of all of these characters from outside material to even have a meaningful criticism, since emi992 is correct about the sheer boring and flavorless characters. easily among top worst mcu films.
history and mythology is awesome tho, so many amazing stories.
@@biklezhan4745I’m pretty familiar with myths and history. It did nothing to make this less boring.
The central moral and philosophical dilemma was like a college freshman’s idea of something really deep.
I like how Phaetos was going to give humanity some mechanical weapon for them to survive against the Deviants, and Ajax is just like "lmao no"
There are 10 characters, each should have been a 30-minute episode. This could have been a smart character-driven show.
Critics would say its just slow filler with little momentum
@@Thed538dhsk how? On a series were the cast fights agains big monsters that shouldn't be an issue.
Screw that, Im not wasting 5 hours for a sad trash fire movie. Not even Marvel.
I would have opened with a longer flashback scene that isn’t interrupted so that we get a full sense of who and how are heroes are who they are, and then directly cut to Ajak’s death somehow. I would also let the audience know that the deviant is now on it’s way to Sersi. During/after their encounter, i would instead have Ikaris bring Ajak’s body to them and have him fabricate his story instead of acting clueless alongside our cast. A big change I would make in the middle is the order they collect everyone- perhaps splitting up into pairs once they got Kingo to not only build a sense of urgency, but also to strengthen individual character relationships on a more personal level (similar to Sersi and Ikaris reexploring their romance). Once they arrive at the final destination, i would have them fight the deviant from the get-go and give our heroes a chance to communicate their opposing ideals to each other. And when Ikaris’ half of the group finally make it, the deviant reveals new information and the jig is up. The team turns on ikaris and HE reveals what Arishem meant by “the emergence.” Now from here we either cut Tiamut’s awakening for a different movie or have it be a race against time like it already is. I think this is the optimal way to retain all story beats but maintain a smoother flow and grant our antagonists real time to shine.
The thing with Eternals I really didn’t like was the plot starts with figuring out how the Deviants are back and kill the rest of them then the main one steals some powers then it just gets killed by Thena you could remove them from the movie and all that changes is there’s even more space gods in a fight of space gods
Yeah, I legitimately was kinda hoping that, since the Eternal had finally figured out what was happening (after literal centuries) that that would result in some form of uneasy alliance thing happening with the Deviant, undercut with not so subtle mutual hatred.
I would also argue the movie suffered from a case of being overhyped in regards to being "different" from other MCU films. For some it was too different, but for others, it wasn't different enough. Thus pleasing no one really. In addition to all of the points made here.
I was thinking about Umbrella Academy while watching this, and how as a series, we see flashbacks that feel natural, get to understand each character on a deeper level within their family structure and understand the plot piece by piece with plot twists etc. Eternals did not earn 2 hours of screen time. I have no idea why they didnt make it a series...it felt so strung out.
As I watched this last 2021, and watched it again this year. I was thinking literally the same thing. The Umbrella Academy. I just like how things are in chaos within their family beautifully.
As I watched this last 2021, and watched it again this year. I was thinking literally the same thing. The Umbrella Academy. I just like how things are in chaos within their family beautifully.
With Eternals not even the original comics did all that good. I don’t get why they even bothered to make an Eternals film in the first place.
They barely do anything in the comics.
I mean neither did the Guardians, Iron Man, Shang-Chi, Ant Man, and several others. They don’t really care about the previous financial success of the characters. They only care about what they can do with them. Probably it’s supposed to kickstart some Celestial based arc.
For the potential of diversity.
Marvel plans its future movies way before hand. Eternals was probably considered for adaptation when Fox-Disney deal wasn't finalized yet and they were short on characters to adapt.
It's not that they're unknown to me but why would they choose a team with 10 members, this is what happens when there's that many characters
to be honest the ending was extremely disappointing.
I thought this creature would assist the eternals as it had perfectly good motivation or It would be an extraordinarily overpowered monstrocity that would be impossible to kill. but no. it was just shit
It doesn't matter what excuse these characters have with their absence on multiple MCU shenanigan when, in fact, any of the following threats can be a threat on their watchlist:
Red Skull
Ronan
Yon-Rogg
Abomination
Loki
Malekith
Alexander Pierce
Ego
Ultron
Dormammu
Thanos
They created multiple myths, advanced human technology, controlled humans under their thumb, and watched all these these with their popcorn. Yet, a random creature undiscovered is their go signal to finally interfere? Weird.
they were following orders though, they were to only interfere when deviants were involved
@@marsbars6869, allowing a bunch of wars to happen under their thumb isn't exactly following orders. If a Celestial's birth is dependent on human life multiplying rapidly as energy increases, losing one should be enough to jump into action. Even if it means hunting Deviants is encoded in their daily objectives.
@@funwithtropes69 Again the orders were to stop deviants. They didn't know WHY, the reason was revealed to them later. Did you watch the movie?
@@marsbars6869, and they still controlled a bunch of humans for no reason, invented bombs leading to a bunch of wars, and allowed themselves to stay hidden for a long while.
Given that their existence is always a reset, only one of them knew their purpose.
@@funwithtropes69
This is explained in the movie: wars accelerate technology, which accelerates population growth in the long term. Which is... true, I think.
Honestly, when I watched it I expected a different ending. The deviant stealing their power was a new celestial and by absorbing them all and gaining their power they'd ascend to be a celestial. Then youd have to deal with the characters having to understand and accept why they exist.
He’s back!!!!!!!!!
He never left.
OH YEAH
the unceremonious death of Cell from Dragonball Z was so painful. Like he was THE villain, and then they just sideline him in the third act for someone we've never even met and hasn't even done anything yet... and okay, superman too, but still
I didn't hate The Eternals...it was somewhat interesting, however my big issue is that they basically turned humanity into a bunch of idiots that never learned anything on their own and were just guided by a bunch of alien physical constructs...
Actually true😂 perfect reality.
Ancient Aliens in a nutshell
That's not like if the humanity is destroying itself and that a lot of people of following "God" blindly without any work on them. And about social media...
@@Gentleman_Orange That has nothing to do with OP's point. He's talking about the past, not the present.
It's pretty offensive ngl
Eternals could of have been a great movie to bring the franchise forward... Was it though? No. It was quickly made, money in mind. Tried to be ridden with the wave of fame which failed terribly.
One thing that bothered me the most is the fact that they made Deviants animalistic brutal brainless morons... They were not like that in Comics...
Wished each character had a JOHN WALKER level character development!
@@IronMan-jj2fd Öh me gurd it's Iron Man! giggidy
@@Semirotta relax kid, i will gone with the wind! Before u even know it!
@@IronMan-jj2fd And you ruined it.
@@Semirotta yeah whatever
Harry Styles being Thanos’s brother is the toughest pill I’ve ever had to swallow
but that's how thanos's brother look like , dunno about his acting but looks wise it's not that far .
That’s just Starfox in the comics too, not the MCU making a crazy big change
@@mr.moviemafia honestly, as someone who isn’t a big comics guy, the hardest thing for me is taking a character with the same name as an obsolete Nintendo franchise seriously.
@@seif.boughanmi8956 The thing is, the MCU redefined Thanos a lot by giving him a home planet as part of his motivation. Throwing in an Eternal as his brother now doesn’t make any sense as this Thanos lacks the necessary background aka isn’t defined as an Eternal at all.
PS: I didn’t really get any true Starfox vibe from this character and it was imo more off a joke version of Starfox, but that’s my personal opinion.
@@seif.boughanmi8956 Harry Styles being cast to play him feels like a casting choice made based on looks rather looks AND acting experience.
Brilliant essay as always, Filmento.
Too bad Hollywood can't seem to find competent writers or script consultants for these multi-million dollar projects.
“Cell from Dragon Ball Z” lmao That didn’t even occur to me.
I could forgive most things, but the part where the midget turns on her best friend and stabs her just to side with her crush, and then is instantly forgiven, made no sense, like half the movie.
Then there’s the John Snow reveal “oh by the way, my family has a past of hero stuff too, oh you’re gone… Nevermind”
The girl was literally willing to have humanity die because she was a simp , and then they just forgive her instantly.
Also Jon snow was the only reason I even bothered to watch the movie , and then he doesn't have an important role.
This breakdown was not only spot on, but lays out the key necessities for making a good story.
Fully agree
My issues are: no character development outside of “they’re immortal, powerful, etc.,” the not original songs on the soundtrack are placed in weird parts of the movie or are just weird choices (why would you play Feels Like the First Time by Foreigner, a song that has nothing to do with anything in the movie, at the end), and the pacing left out so many interesting parts/aspects of each character: Phastos’ feeling of responsibility for what happened in Hiroshima, Gilgamesh and Thena facing Mad Wyry (spelling?), Sprite’s wanting to grow up (came out of nowhere in the story), Makkari struggling to communicate because she doesn’t talk (she’s played by deaf actress Lauren Ridloff from The Walking Dead), and I think you get where I’m going with this.
I feel like the most bland characters are Sersi, Ikaris, and Kingo. I can’t say much regarding Ajak, since Salma Hayek was underused more than Angelina Jolie (and you don’t sideline either of them). But what do we know about Sersi, Ikaris, or Kingo? What are their struggles? Who are they as characters and what do they add to the story? They don’t really have stakes, and I honestly felt more invested in Druig and Makkari’s relationship (and Thena and Gilgamesh’s; wasn’t romantic but no need for romance all the time) and their interactions than any of the characters I just mentioned in this part (excluding Ajak, Thena, and Gilgamesh).
Were this a series, you could put certain characters into pairs and maybe have a few episodes as filler or plot build up. Better pacing, and we’d learn more about the characters.
Sorry, I ramble
I get some of your points but you clearly missed elements of the film if you think Ikaris had no struggles. He had the biggest struggle in the entire film. Choosing between his mission and his family. He gave up thousands of years of being with Sersi because Ajak burdened him with the truth about their mission. And when the moment to filfill their mission finally came, Ajak bailed and she essentially broke Ikaris.
@@Ray03595 Each to their own. I get what you're saying, and I only mentioned the first points that came to mind for me. Did Ikaris struggle? Yes, but I also think that it was shown too much and overshadowing the other characters.
Since Cell has already been mentioned: This movie feels like starting Dragonball in the middle of the Cell games and then having to explain who everyone is, how they met what they do and what the villain does. And also include an interesting story trying to stop the villains plan and a decent end fight.
And all of that within 2 hrs or less.
It could've been a decent series, maybe even a really good one. But this way, there is too much back story and lore to explain for people to care about the heroes and to sympathise or hate the villain.
Angelina Jolie's character = described as the best warrior in the group
Superman = says "i can take you all on, you can't stop me".
Fat tank man who only punches things = "i'll look after her while she's sick because she can't harm me..."
Engineer dude = "i can beat superman with ease just chaining him to the ground, that makes me the strongest"
WHAT IS GOING ON !!??
The problem with the deviants is, that they aren't that what they are in the comics... In the movie they are just monsters, in the comics, they are sentient and intelligent beings, not as intelligent as the eternals, but more then the humans... And they weren't sent to kill predators on planets... I didn't understand that dump story. For me that didn't made sense. They could have been at war somewhere off planet and have to return because one of them stayed on earth for a long time to plan to destroy it. Something like the Emperor of Mankind in Warhammer but evil
mcinematicu just ruining all the comics lol
"I made a whoopsie by creating predator killers to kill the natural predators (which is a batshit concept if you think about how evolution works for 2 seconds). Turns out they evolve and just kill the humans (who never stood a chance of existing without is. crazy ik but it's true). Long story short, I made another whoopsie by creating the Eternals who WILL kill my first whoopsie, but they have the capacity to turn against me."
@@mobilenotherwise5000 They are not ruining anything, marvel movies and the comics are not the same.
@@Bran_Flakesx7 Do you even understand evolution ? Lol... humans would not have existed if the Dinosaurs did not go extinct... so yes it makes sense. If a species do not grow enough, then a massive extinction can help other species that can´t grow, grow further. Evolution is a bad mechanism because it is lazy. Evolution does not care if your species is strong or intelligent or succesful, as long as you survive and can have offsprings you will stop evolving. So making species go extinct until a species evolves into an intelligent one is the best way to get intelligent live in a planet
@@andrejosue98 I disagree
My favorite example of what watching Eternals feels like is the post credit scene. It is supposed to set up Black Knight but halfway through the intro the movie decided to set up Blade instead. Because no character gets a proper introduction you leave the theater confused and wondering who any of these charcters are but don't have enough info to want to look any of them up.
I'm not gonna lie, I fell asleep in this movie. I haven't fallen asleep in a movie in years. This ruined my streak. They didn't do a very good job of connecting us to these heroes that almost no one has heard of. I wanted to think they were cool, but it was just hard to do because I couldn't even tell who was who at the end of the movie.
I fell asleep too hahahaha, and I legit went to cinemas to see this 😅
The longer the Eternals wasted their time, their enemy get smarter.
At the beginning, the enemy is just generic dumb strong monster, but in later part of the movie, the enemy can do teamwork to kill/absorb Eternals's power
That was part of the plot, Ikras was keeping them distracted chasing the deviant
I believe the movie isn’t terrible but from the previous marvel movies we have had this is terrible for the brand’s standard
Marvel is bad in general
@@sashimi879 I personally don’t agree but that’s my opinion and I shouldn’t judge what you think
It's just an aggressively mediocre forgettable Marvel movie. Not that great but not that bad either. I just can't see myself watching the movie again
Previous Marvel movies also not so good as movies if you are not Marvel fanatic :/
@@K0m30ng same I agree with that
So tired of the lame climaxes in the MCU lately. All the Eternals talk about how difficult it will be to beat Ikaris, and yet the whole climax is him getting dunked on by Thena, Makkari, and PHASTOS
I watched this movie last night, and what I realized as the credits rolled, was that I watched the whole movie and never learned a single characters name besides Angelina and Salma.
When I watched that Eternals, I couldnt stop thinking of Josstice League (2016)... I know it's not the same monstruosity, but had the same issues: too rushed, lack of character development, a weird feeling of watching two different movies that were glued together
I remember me and my friends came to watched this, we were so confused and pissed off and bored. We were begging for it to be over already, best part is we were all alone in the Theater. Only once person at the end came and we told him it was not worth watching.
I had to smoke two blunts to male it through this
Honestly Eternals was so fucking weird. Like, I liked some of it, mainly visuals and action and the Celestials themselves. Other than that, it was so slow, there were no goals, you barely know half of the characters and most of them don't really seem to progress (much) either. Either that, or the progression is unnatural or based on moments that were too short to actually make me give a shit, as if their entire character development was basically 2 lines.
EDIT: it was also all too fucking large scale. Like, really, they basically are the reason we even still exist? It's like the movie keeps making excuses for why it should feel epic and for why we have to like it.
I honestly thought the Deviant that took Gilgamesh’s powers was going to be the main antagonist. He would have probably been a better antagonist than Ikaris, but more as a misunderstood villain. He called the Eternals monsters for killing his kind, so it would make perfect sense why he should have been the main villain of the movie.
amd Cell wasn't wrong calling them monsters
@@einkar4219 *and
@@einkar4219 *and
That Mr. Incredible face changing killed me for some reason.
I honestly started falling a sleep at the Final fight, the sex scene was so cringe, it also didn’t make since why these Gods would make a machine that was Def, they should have went with the original story of advance humans, that would have made since, and it seemed like the writers where doing a lot of clever winks of how they effected history like they where being so smart about it, the hole story made the rest of the other movies pointless if life is just to be made to make more gods.
Really? Just the deaf one made you think? Not the fact that they just happened to make one of every ethnic group? How about that they made one a child, completely ripping off Anne Rice's Interview With the Vampire? Or the gay one? Really?! A Celestial decided to make a gay eternal? Hell, the token gay guy was also the token black guy. Wow two birds with one stone right there. Again, just the deaf one made you think.....
@@daveroles3783 dude, you’re looking too much into this. The reason why one of them being created as deaf sticks out is because it’s weird to make the thing they’re designed to do harder for no reason, just like making one of them a child doesn’t make sense. Who gives a shit about what race or sexuality though? Those have no impact on their designed purpose or the plot for that matter.
It's like the writers of Eternals had a checklist for token woke points and ticked off as many as possible.
there was sex scene? It was censored in where I live
@@ellehcim2779 if you honestly even call it sex, he pretty much just was on top of her, no thrusting, moaning, just uninterrupted eye contact.
I just can't stand people defend the film as just being "different" only. Bruh, just because it's "different" doesn't make up the mediocre messy writing this movie had. Just because it's entertaining doesn't mean it's a 10/10 A+ flawless masterpiece of a movie. It has tons of issue. The style may be different but there's still lack of substance to it. Being "different" is no excuse to overlooked the writing problem. A CBM like Logan can be praised being "different" than any other comic book movie we've seen because it's well written, well fleshed out development for the characters and have incredible arcs for everyone involved, this movie didn't have any of that. The entire movie was just the Eternals reunite with zero character development so i was just having a hard time caring about these characters, they're just uninteresting for my taste. It's not a bad movie but not that great either, i'm not seeing myself watching it again because it's just kinda bland and forgettable
The Russo brothers should've directed this movie! Wht a waste 🤦🤦🤦
The only thing “different” about this movie is the cinematography, more so the “aesthetic”. The storyline? Overused run of the mill heroes reunite to save the world bs. The characters? More or less stick to the trope of classic marvel characters in any team. The villains. Again, same old “ooh ooh the world is about to end!!!”. Marvel is known for its repetitive content but since its portrayal of beloved comic book characters is so good, we don’t usually mind that. But I doubt even hardcore marvel fans cared that much about the eternals. If you wanna portray a new team of heroes in your already overpopulated set up, they need to have some edge. Like how James Gunn’s The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker have proven, you need to actually do something out of the box. Otherwise Marvel should stick to famous characters and fan service (not to say its a bad thing because even I love that aspect).
It is a great movie and does not have a writing problem. In this video most of what Filmento says would just change the writing of the story. Like if Icarus tries to attack the Deviant... then he would loose the objective he had by letting the deviants kill Ajak in the first place.... and so many other stuff. The point of the movie is not the villain or the enemies, it is to introduce the Ethernals in a movie called the Ethernals. So yes, they focused a lot on the Ethernals, how weird, huu?
@@andrejosue98 Feel like ppl are just feeding into the narrative the film is bad because rotten tomatoes is telling them it's bad. This was not a bad film and i dont get why it's getting so much hate. There's some flaws, obviously but why they are being harped on so much, and other marvel films get a pass is pretty strange. How people keep saying there is zero character development is just laughable. Ikaris, Thena, Druig, Phastos all have their own arcs. (I agree they dropped the ball on Sersei though).
Avengers had most of its characters developed before they shared a movie, so they could focus on the plot.
i did like this movie, as well as the moments where the eternals just sit and talk, but it would have worked way better as a tv series
It's so obvious. This is a TV series which compressed into one long ass movie. But I still think Eternals is better than Black Widow, though. Cause at least there's some people with actual superpowers in it. LOL
@@cahidijoyoraharjo7833 just cause a movie has people with superpowers means it's good. and I'm the opposite I liked Black Widow more (and no I'm not a simp)
@@zoeservo5474 Well, of course it doesn't always mean it's good. But it's definitely more attractive. I don't know about you, but when I'm told that I'm about to watch a superhero movie and got presented with an ordinary hero, I feel duped. There's nothing super about an extremely skilled assassin. As deadly as one maybe, they're still not super.
@@cahidijoyoraharjo7833 Yeah that's pretty true
I love that you use Minecraft music in 3:20 to signify a goalless movie, since having no goal forced upon you is one of the things that makes minecraft special
They honestly should've made this a series. They tried to cover way too many things in one movie and it shows.
Yep...
I would have preferred to be an animation series like avatar. Watching it ,was very bland and dull , it would have added color if it were animated and action scenes would be very great.
@@johnnykilonzo2103 yeah they couldnt really do that since the movie is part of the MCU
I legit had to restart this movie like 3 times because I kept getting lost or falling asleep
Ok so here’s the thing. Why would a Celestial design an Eternal, (a being that is supposed to be designed to be perfect and be able to stop the Deviants) to be deaf?
Wouldn’t it have made more sense for Fastos’s kid to be deaf? The story element is right there, Fastos can design and create anything, but can’t figure out how to solve his child’s disability. Doing this not only grounds him more, but also shows sets a character arc for him that not all things need to be fixed
Why? Because the execs don't care about good writing as much as they care about political brownie points.
That makes way more sense than Phasto's actual arc in the film that ended quickly before it began.
*Phastos:* "I'm done saving the world. I have to protect my family now."
*Phastos' husband:* "No. Go and save the world. We'll be just fine."
*Phastos:* "Okay."
That's a good idea
Eternals is literally a movie Marvel NEVER should’ve focused on. This could’ve been, should’ve been, a Richard Rider Nova film.
Not going to happen, as much as I want that too, but an agenda has taken over, white males are the bad guy, not the hero.
Apparently Captain Marvel 2 is supposed to set up a Nova film according to scoopers and leaks.
As the legend says The best movies u missed r the ones that were never made.
James Gunn didn't want to introduce Nova because he was being asked alot online, about whether Nova would appear in the Guardians of the Galaxy.
@@cassisbrook I've been waiting for Nova since infinity war!
I'd love an analysis about why Guardians of the Galaxy worked and The Eternals didn't!
It was connected to an infinity stone and Thanos somewhat. The eternals whereas was totally bullshit. I completed this movie in 4 sittings. That's how boring it was
@@farazahmed7 yea I felt like eternals didn't hit me enough to care for the movie considering that it was only relying on the save the world or we all die factor. We've just seen that way too many times and the way they did it was just plain bland
Character development
Character development
Character development
And no nomadland type boring shots!
The Guardians worked because it didn't involve gay couples, disabled people, people that die from stab wounds and bites but endure laser beams and beatings by a wannabe superman. it didn't involve brat superheroes, long pauses, no music...etc
The Guardians had comedy, character development, character bonding, sense of urgency, story development, nice pacing...etc
The Gaurdians were five mercenaries, only two of whom had any major prior connection. They were mostly learning about each other at the same time that the audience was.
The Eternals were twelve individuals who lived together for centuries, resulting in a lot of interpersonal stuff that the audience doesn't know about.
That's definitely not the only reason, but even if everything else had come together, you're still juggling way more balls with _Eternals_ than with _Gaurdians_ in regards to the characters.
That Intro
Where you talked about the deviant that evolves to become “the perfect specimen” and how disappointing it was for it to die the way it did
That’s how I feel with Carnage
I feel like these characters should have only died after whoever killed them goes through a “climbing a mountain” type journey to finally kill what felt indefinite.
So they make a character a child so potentially she can fit in with children...but her power is illusion. So they could have made her fully grown, with then same powers, and she would have been able to accomplish the same goal.
Athena as a whole literally made this movie worse. She actively made it worse because her cool concept of randomly turning evil just got annoying. Plus it's basically her fault Gilgamesh died, who was just a better characrer than her.
Gilgamesh was actually killed by the deviant, not Thena. And I really cared about her relationship with Gilgamesh. The sacrifice of spending hundreds of years taking care of her was really impressive to me. Actually, if I could change things I'd actually give her more of a role, since her visions of the past should've been critical to figuring out what the Celestials were doing, instead of just having the bad guy infodump his plans to Gemma in a tension free way really early in the movie with no difficulty.
@@RorikH I mistyped that, whoops. I meant its kinda her fault that Gilgamesh died but yeah, her relationship with her was pretty decent. And rhe visions could have been so much cooler
I not only currently don't remember half of the characters in this movie, but I forgot about almost all of them WHILE watching them
The entire move was only memorable to me for 2 reasons: I just liked seeing Angelina Jolie on screen again, and secondly, entire movie I just kept thinking that the dude superman (can't even remember his name) looks like a carbon copy of Sebastian Stan the Winter Soldier.
I did love the fight scenes. Even though I didn't care for the characters that much, I felt for Flash when Druig (seemingly) died, she just beat the shit out of superman, and the other action added onto that scene really sent chills down my spine, like I was watching an actual good fight scene in 2021.
You mean Makkari? Or however you spell her name.
@@Ayy_Doll_Fiddler I didn't know how to spell her name, so I called her somebody everybody would recognize
@@Ayy_Doll_Fiddler Makkari is right, Sprite then rebranded her as Mercury. But that was easily the most satisfying speedster ass kicking I've ever seen. You don't even get to see Flash in DC Animated stuff cut loose like that. Chloe Zhao has no problems with her action scenes.
Like others have said, it would have made SO much more sense if the Deviant had joined the Uni-Mind, giving in a bit to the mental impulses of the two Eternals he absorbed, and wanting himself to get a kick in at a Celestial.
I genuinely thought that was going to happen, and then they went "nope!" and literally killed off the most interesting character in the movie.
me too. I really thought that cell was going to be convinced by cerci to join the uni-mind so he could get back at the eternals, and he was going to help take down ikaris. And then he'd probably dissappear, so they could use him for future projects.
@@cameronsitton501 facts. I appreciate being subverted like with the Ikaris reveal, but...nah.
These characters are hard to make in Marvel's style. It's supposed to be "the world outside your window", which you can't do if they're completely unrelatable.
This is why Inhumans fails too-- characters are so OP they lack humanity.
If Chloe Zhou read the comics and this was the best she could do... it's pretty clear she was never interested in the actual characters.
It's just hard to make immortals relatable.
My take: either make the characters obsessed with power (giving them human flaws), OR make them reincarnate as humans (giving them human experiences and flaws). Otherwise, these properties are better off selling out to DC.
This is why movies like Wonder woman succeed. A literal god who is oblivious to how the human world works and has to learn things from the get go
This movie is so terrible that I cannot even get through this video. I watch it in segments.
I honestly think that to make au care about destruction of the Earth they shouldn't focused on people but instead do what Don't Look Up did - show us some penguins, tigers, pandas. All of them would die in the emergence. Considering that there are seriously people who think Thanos was right I don't think the fate of humanity is that important to a general viewer. But puppies? Damn, those are some real stakes!
😂well yes for sarcasm
Now I want to see a behind-the-scenes tell-all on why this project was green-lit, why the director wanted the job, why they picked that director, why Angelina wanted in, etc.
@Mcheetah Explain.
@Mcheetah Explain.
@@yashjoseph3544 showcasing feminism, LGBTQ characters, multi-ethnic actors, political agendas, all at once to make the story seem relevant to what people want to see now in America. To sum it up, doing too much just to tell a story.
@@mjgfromDDD there wasn't any feminism or political agenda in the movie, and the gay/multicultural characters were just characters living their lives (their gayness/culture wasn't a major plot point). There are many problems with this movie, but "wokeness" isn't one.
@@Lorddraigo it's just an excuse for people from the internet to prevent people with no common sense to not support the things they loved to do. Just saying from my perspective.
10:10 i spat out my water at this LMAO
I feel like it would've had a better story if the final deviant actually adapted to the ones that he's eaten's emotions and memories so that at the end instead of being a side villain ad the end he would've been a good guy that helped the Eternals stop the celestials since they both had the same goal