the problem with plastic surgery
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Truth and Goodness, Mirrors and Masks: Part 2 by Anthony Synnott (1990)
The Making of the Modern Face: Cosmetic Surgery by Elizabeth Haiken (2000)
Surgery and the cultural construction of Beauty by Lorrie Blair and Maya Shalman (2005)
Women and the Knife: Cosmetic Surgery and the Colonization of Women's Bodies by Kathryn Pauly Morgan (1991)
Plastic Surgery and American Beauty at 1921 by Elizabeth Haiken (1994) - Навчання та стиль
kinda ironic how teenage girls feel forced to look like grown women and grown women feel forced not to age like, are women supposed to look like they are in their early 20's their whole lives of something?
According to men's dating habits as they age, yes. It's very sad.
Why is the focus on women ? as if males aren't judged on there looks constantly hell more so than women these days i'm tending to see.
@@cancerdeath4195 how dare i watch a video on women's beauty standards and make a comment about… women's beauty standards, I'm pretty sure if I were to watch a video on lizards' evolution through the years I'd comment about that, that's just how it works
@@cancerdeath4195 because this video is about women’s beauty standards??? it’s not a game of “who has it worse,” it’s addressing the problems on both sides and trying to reach mutual understanding
@@aquadust It's not supposed to be a game it's pandering and virtue signalling over and over and over again matching the socities allowed victim complex to spread over it pisses me off truly.
I was recently told that I look good for my age.
I'm 25.
It's getting a little ridiculous, folks.
People over the age of 18 are fossils 😂🥴
Gen Z think you go from 16 to 70. Their expectations on ageing have been completely corrupted
I unironically got told that like a month after I turned 24
Lol I can relate I'm 28 and I was told by a 21 years old girl "wow I wish I could look like this when I am 28 years old"
I was watching this documentary for one of my uni classes about beauty standards for women, and how apparently your skin starts getting worse after 15 so "it's all downhill after 15" and we all laughed so hard at that
I hate how modern feminism has declared any and all choices "empowering" so thank you for calling out plastic surgery for what is is, which is indeed not empowering.
@@telepathicmagicshop Honestly, what you're describing to me sounds like liberal feminism. Like achieving equality through individual actions. In my opinion, the main problem with liberal feminism is the tendency to support capitalism. It's the kind of feminism that has been co-opted by corporations selling their weird brand of feminism.
I still think there are some really good modern feminist movements. In recent years, I've found myself aligning with postmodern feminism. I don't think there's a perfect feminist theory, but I feel like looking at other feminist movements and groups can provide some good insight.
@@telepathicmagicshop yeah, Cheyenne described it perfectly. Feminism has so many types that sometimes even contradict each other. For instance there isn't much capitalism in my country and there is a lot of religion-based unfair laws which hurt women. Feminist groups have been fighting the injustice we have for years and then I go online and read comments from men in my country who only read about American liberal feminism and based on that claim that feminist movement in my country should be destroyed... it's wrong on so many levels but the basis of all of that is wrong semantics and lack of research.
You don't now what feminism is if you aré so willing to find excuses to villanize it and put it as a "modern" monolithe.
@@mariiv2412 some actions can be seen as extreme if the context Is not taken into account. And feminism have never caused or encouraged arbitrary violent actions and death based on trivial things.
So ve careful when labeling something as extreme, specialy if it comes from an oppresed group.
@@telepathicmagicshop yesss for the longest time I wanted to be a strong independent woman and I felt guilty and mad at other woman for just being a mother. and I hate how I was brainwashed and so heavily influenced without even noticing. Happy I started watching femininity videos I can't wait to be a house wife and have a family. I don't mind cooking and cleaning for a good loving man
One of the worst trends to me is the whole “this is how you age when you’re unproblematic” like… I am 27 and am developing teeny wrinkles. So are lot of people my age. I have a super expressive face and dry, sensitive skin, it happens. Something about people equating youth and beauty with being morally good is so pathetic though, more pathetic than having a wrinkle or two. What are we, a Grimm fairytale?
I'm already noticing mild creasing in my forehead and the sides of my mouth and I'm only 23 lol. Skin ages, it's not a bad thing and I don't understand why young people get so apoplectic about their bodies going their natural route.
Im 27 and get confused for a teenager all the time (I teach high school so that doesn’t help lol) and I’ve noticed I’m getting some forehead wrinkles! I’m like, how can I have a baby face AND wrinkles? Ive wanted to look older to be taken more seriously but then also I’m conflicted because society says I shouldn’t have wrinkles so I’m like “oh no!”
I thought it was just because white people who are racist tend to buy a lot of self tanner which wrinkles your skin a ton
I feel like they mean that they have to be less stressed out and calculative rather than "problematic people". Honey, we have work, family, health problems and poor mental health.
I'm 20 and I've recently noticed fine lines around my eyes. The forehead ones are easy I just need to keep it moisturized and they go away but the ones around my eyes are cuz I keep squinting so those are more stubborn. Whenever I skip my skincare I have fine lines by the end of the next day cuz I'm very expressive and dry. Guess imma be hella evil in my 30s lol
There's just something dystopian about FACIAL FEATURES being considered "trendy" i can't get over
Or body types. Utterly insane once you start thinking about it
Look at paintings throughout history. You will see how the fashion and facial 'looks' change
Yup. A few more decades and people wont switch their smartphones every year but their noses.
@@pollypocket4323 it is utterly insane, and even more insane when you think we're undergoing dangerous surgeries to achieve a look that might not even be "in fashion" in 5 years or so
@@jazura2 true, but they weren't changing as rapidly as they are now. Back then women only lived through one "trend" and now the it look is different every 3 years
Another thing about all this is even the Kardashians still edit their photos. After their hundreds and thousands of dollars in cosmetic procedures, they still don't see themselves as beautiful enough to post pictures unedited and filtered.
Good point. And noone can believe they're especially happy... despite looks and money.
Yeah, even the Kardashians themselves don't look kardashian...
Those women and other women like them are very sick. They all probably suffer from different degrees of body dysmorphia. Kim photoshopped her baby's pictures, for crying out loud. Imagine your mom editing your pictures as a kid cause she thinks you're not cute enough
THIS!!! Like Kylie without makeup (with all her fillers) actually looks like Pepe the frog because it puffs up her cheeks, so she HAS to use major filters on Instagram which is crazy when you've spent so much money on surgery.
ikr ! like they can't even live up to their own standers
I think modern day feminism has somehow reverted us back to placing beauty above all other factors of feminism. I see so much media, especially now on TikTok, that encourage women to be the best version of themselves, which seems great, until they then drag in physical appearance? It’s like “go girl be a bad ass, intelligent, capable women while also being sexy!” Like why do I also need to be sexy? I can be ugly as fuck and still be a capable, amazing, intelligent woman. It’s infuriating
i also think the same. How could be promoting body inclusivity and acceptance, but at the same time plastic surgery is rising? Like how does that work??
OMG thank you! 👏👏
We put way too much value into being attractive. We should encourage body neutrality instead of body positive
@@pratishtha5740 there is no such thing as misandry im sure men will be fine
This is not about feminism this is about patriarchy and a re-labeling to catter to new generations while keeping the status quo... Which is also how some men call themselves "woke" or "feminist" or "deconstructed" to keep being a f*ck boy.
I also hate that if someone is "aging badly", society blaces the blame on them like "oh they partied too much, they must not have taken care of themselves" etc when in reality, most of the way you age comes down to genetics.
Also, I was watching a 90s movie not too long ago, and it was so weird seeing young actors in their early 20s with those natural fine lines on their faces because today, people in their 20s (on TV/social media esp) have a ton of filler so their skin resembles a toddler's. It's so bizarre.
this reminds me of acne too! like when somebody has even a tiny bit of acne, especially as a teen, people bombard them will claims of not taking care for their skin, eating too much oily/sugary foods like-
It looks like scary mission impossible movie stretched out masks lol. We don’t even have toddler skin on movies it’s like rubber skin
Well yes, but also drug and alcohol abuse do age you and mess with your body... We're getting to a point where wealthy people can "revert" the damage while poor can't... Like how Lindsay Lohan was able to restore her face.
Also, why do we need to make an excuse to villify white people? I’m white, and although I’m in my early 20’s I’m starting to see a few lines, most likely due to genetics since I’m healthy and take care of my skin, which made me realize how deeply I internalized the notion that “white people age like milk”. I literally feel ashamed to go outside because I worry without getting fillers/botox I’ll be deemed the “bad” white person, and seem racist just because I’m getting wrinkles from a young age. Like I’m no longer able to partcipicate in these conversations because I’ll be hit with the insult of being an old ugly whitey while black/asian people are young forever. Wtf??? Why are wrinkles bad in the first place, as if they render you a complete invalid societally? Why do we want to look like babies forever anyway? Ew
@@yuenmienyu The shlw ypung royals actually has actors with skin texture and it's kind of sad how amazing it feels to watch this show because of it.
The fact that many of us are scared of aging in our early twenties speaks VOLUME
Something that Western societies suffer a lot from. I hope this doesn't come to my country, old women here are seen as the pinacle of wisdom.
I don't want to look old in my early 20s😭
Why do you think religion exists? People are afraid of aging. Me included.
@@beyondtheradio I’m sorry but can you enlightened me on why there is connection between religion and being afraid of aging (this is a genuine question because I’m too dumb)
I'm 26 and tiktok has me feeling like i need botox
Mina’s ability to bring up the 1920s in any video is commendable
So true I noticed that too ☺️
It's relevant because after WWI plastic surgery became more safe (for reconstruction) and the actress that she mentioned wasn't the only jewish that go for a nose job after WWII a lot of jewish did it to avoid the stigma of their ethnic features.
she doesn't have eyebrows
@@Ash01010 uh
@@Ash01010 what does that have to do with anything?
We don’t need to make plastic surgery unempowering, we need to make aging more empowering. In many cultures, the archetype of the “crone”, an aging woman is seen as the keeper of wisdom and in touch with nature in a very deep way, a woman we all can learn from. We need to respect the experience aging brings, because essentially the added years bring more knowledge. How is that not beautiful?
Yes to this comment!! Regardless of people's personal opinions on plastic surgery, I think over-shaming those who choose to get it will create a new problem rather than solving them.
Nah. Don't empower looks. Normalize them. Empowerment only feeds to the delusion that we're supporting a certain look, but we're really just changing one beauty standard to another one.
As an older woman, I feel that if I want to do something to make me happy then I will do it. My body, my choice. Don't shame women who do decide on surgery. I just want to be me & look like me. It's ok to want wrinkles & it's ok to not want wrinkles. It's also ok to colour your hair or don't colour it. It should be about empowering choice & not shaming people for their choices.
THIS!!
YES!!!!
Also I remember hearing Eugene Lee Yang talk about how he felt ugly growing up and how his mother said “why are you trying to hide your family’s face?” and that really stuck with me
honestly this comment really stuck with me :) every time I look in the mirror and see my nose it reminds me of my grandma
Idk why but this just made me start crying lol, I have a little son and he makes me love my own face so much more. I see so much beauty in his face and it makes me see more in my own face.
Thats a hit.
@@strawberrycherrybaby thats totally sweet. Im gonna cry. The amount of love you see in him is also the amount of love you see in you
@@aestheticarmy3689 my face shape is my dads i still get insecure sometimes because of the small face standard but like its not even that big. This is the face of my mom and dad thst i should be proud off and maybe pass it onto my child
I hate this narrative that plastic surgery is "empowering". It might "fix" some of your insecurities, but you're still complying and submitting to a norm that is in place to specifically demean others.
yup it bothers me how we as a society has made it okay to "fix" yourself through surgery. Bums me out
Yesss finally someone else says this
That's like saying getting educational tutoring to improve your understanding of a topic is complying with a norm that is in place to shame less intelligent people. Are cosmetics in place to demean others, as well?
yes! i wish more people would say this, i'm so with you
@@brianne8254 Your analogy with education doesn't make sense at all
My main qualm with the plastic surgery industry is that it has introduced so many “flaws” into our culture where we wouldn’t see them as flaws or even notice their existence otherwise. “Laugh lines,” crows feet,” “orange peel chin,” etc are only seen as problems because they were created by an industry posing themselves as the solution.
In the past a lot of features that are considered undesirable today were considered beautiful and charming. For example: body hair, big noses/noses with dorsal bumps, thin lips, large chins, hooded/deep-set eyes, gaps in between the front teeth, a slightly crooked tooth, etc.
Ironically, in East Asia, a lot of these features that are currently considered ugly in the West are actually considered incredibly desirable and sexy/cute, to the point that people in East Asia are getting plastic surgery to gain these features. In South Korea and Japan in particular, having a large nose with a bump, hooded/deep-set eyes, and sideburns on women is considered beautiful. Also, Japanese people LOVE people with slightly crooked/snaggled teeth, especially if it’s the incisors or just a few teeth.
All of this goes to show that there is no true, time-tested, universal standard of beauty. Even today, what one society considers ugly or undesirable will be considered beautiful by another.
I had some guy wish me a happy 50th birthday the other day, as a comment on my smile lines.... and honestly it hurt at first.
I'm in my 30's but stress really aged me faster then I wished it had and I accept this face. I see the parts of my being that I share with my grandmothers and I'm thankful 🙏 for all they struggled through to give our parents and us the best lives they could.
I'm so thankful we are talking about this.
If anything I hope we can help the next generations of women feel happy in their skin the way we all never were allowed to.
Seeing wrinkles as flaws is the worst because it often means that person is very expressive, living their best life to the fullest
@@nanamiharuka3269 Exactly, things like laugh lines should remind people of the times they laughed and had fun, normalize having a life and aging
@@TherealSakuraKei that guy is absolutely nasty. He probably would've commented anything on anybody thinking it's fine to make a joke that is mere useless insult. Easier said than done but don't listen to him. And smile lines are very sweet. Society especially when it comes to women always put them down for any age/signs of getting more adult/older than 20 which is creepy. I also hope more people especially women don't have to feel to appease towards such useless things that are mainly just for companies to gain more money
Im a Native american girl, and I vividly remember wishing to Santa to make me white because I wanted to be pretty like a princess. Today I realize just how much beauty standards subconsciously affect us on a daily basis as I still feel self conscious about the Native body type I sport (wide shoulders and narrow hips) Even if I spent my youth with incredibly supportive parents who told me I was beautiful everyday. So sad some girls will never realize that their value is not calculated on how snuggly they fit into the white skinny mold! 😢
Great video btw ❤️
oof yeah i'm East-Asian and grew up in a very white suburb. i wanted to be white so bad.
Same. I'm Southeast Asian and I grew up in Canada. I spent so much time wishing I was blonde and blue-eyed like my classmates. It was a huge relief to finally move back to Southeast Asia where everyone looked like me. 😅
Okay I’m a random stranger from the internet, AND I won’t tell you that you are beautiful just the way you are, because that is kinda enforcing the same thing. What I will tell you is that you are totally awesome and I got this warm fuzzy feeling from reading your comment for some reason. So yeah. You made the world a little warmer and fuzzier 😄
Mixed Native here and I felt this way too growing up. I used to cry because I didn't look like Barbie and because there were no Disney princesses that really looked like me. :/ I used to hate my features and when I was really young, I used to fantasize about dyeing my hair blonde and getting blue contacts so I could "finally be pretty". That insecurity is still something I struggle with. It sucks that Eurocentric beauty standards have fucked us up to such a degree that even as children, we absorb this thought that we are not enough
this is kinda relatable. I’m Arab (fully Lebanese) and I’ve been insecure about my race-influenced looks (colour of my hair, skin tone) for a long time. you’re beautiful and you have every right to be proud of your culture.
Here’s the catch guys: something cannot be “empowering for women” if it is only accessible for a select few highly privileged women, particularly when these women engaging with the practises further ostracises the women outside of this category!
it's like that saying "it is neither radical nor revolutionary if it is inaccessible to poor people."
THIS and the fact that if those privileged women decide they don't like their lip filler or butt lift (just using random examples), they can afford to get them changed or removed. And once the trend for all those features have fazed out, it leaves women who saved up for months or years with a feature that they purposely changed to fit the trend that they they cant afford to reverse. I don't even have the time to touch upon how lip fillers or BBLs appropriate features that women POC are still ruthlessly shamed for- and now celebrities and rich people are basically revered for having those features through artificial means. Such an unfair standard all around.
WTF?! Phinoplasty was made for people, who can't breathe!!! Now know, stupid?!
I have come to the conclusion that I don’t like cosmetic surgery as a concept because as much as it can be for “yourself”, our ideas of conventional beauty are so skewed, seasonal and rooted in systemic issues, so objectively speaking how much of it is really for yourself.
You can be knowingly or unknowingly feeding into an idea of beauty that is unachievable due to its ever changing nature.
This comment should be pinned. The lines have been blurred.
I did plastic surgery for myself, but can understand how that is feeding society’s standards especially here in the Middle East.
i completely agree. how can you be doing it for yourself if you only want to change yourself because you dont fit society's standard of beauty??
I really think there's a conversation to be had about how gross it is to fetishize the youthfulness of women and how pedophilic beauty standards in pornography negatively impact women. Looking fuckable isn't the tax women should pay for being in the world
Amen. I have also seen it affect generations and known people who’s parents changed their children’s looks as children.
The fact that we‘re not seeing aging women around us is quite concerning honestly.
Watch Good Girls, The L Word Generation Q... A lot of stars who once upon a time would have been phased out are holding strong.
@livingthedream Not what they meant and you know it
@@josefah4952 ok? how is that relevant
@@josefah4952 clap if u care
no seriously clap if u care
plz go outside
im 16 and this past year i had a breast reduction. for me it was honestly the most empowering thing. ive always had a small frame, but my breasts were huge and covered my stomach. they didnt fit my body at all. thats all that people saw in me. i was “the girl with huge tits” and it was really dehumanizing. im so glad i had it done even though i am so young
I'm so glad that you're happy and comfortable now! Never feel ashamed bc we only live once so we should do what we pleaee.. Imo I think breast reduction is an important surgery bc if we put aside the aesthetic side, the breasts sometimes are too heavy and may cause serious back pain in the future.
Also, you probably would need that operation in the future bc it would bring you back problems that sometimes are not reversible, is better that you got it now :3
That is definitely a health issue. Look after your spine! And just carrying all that weight and the stretch. You did the right thing. Glad you're feeling good
I'm glad you were able to get surgery for a reduction! i had a coworker who had a small frame 5'2" large US 34G breasts and had to wear a corset at work so her breasts didn't hurt her. hope you feel better and don't get as many sexist dehumanizing comments.
For me, breast reduction can be considered in the same category as the reconstructive surgeries Mina mentioned at the start of the video. I know it's covered by all provincial healthcare in Canada, to some extent (depending on size and/or back/neck pain)!
It's quite sad that Anne Hathaway is in that meme about not aging considering she's only in her late 30s.
This makes me think about that one article about Keanu Reeve's wife being called "brave" for, basically, existing outside as an older woman who displays signs of aging and NOT looking depressed and ashamed.
Bruhhhhhhh… like do they realise how condescending they are? Like imagine not needing 8 layers of plastic surgery and Botox and Gucci to love your life. Oh…the horror 😂
Condescending and also empty inside, super hollow so they try to fill it with that fake stuff and deflect their sadness by making fun of others
i think the major, almost unspoke issue is that we (society) cannot BEAR to look at old women. they are invisible. you see it in grandmas being played by 45yo actors, in 30yo women representing anti-ageing cream with no visible wrinkles, in the trope of older men remarrying 25yos... it's terrifying and upsetting
i had this realization awhile back and honestly it saddened me. as a woman one day i’ll become invisible
I've come to this realization lately doing IVF as a 41 year old woman. I have learned this is a consequence of waiting too long to have a baby... My husband is infertile and I wasn't comfortable with doing IUI with donor sperm. My egg reserve is great. Nothing wrong with my lining. My cycle is 30 days, a little longer but not problematic. I'm pregnant on our first try and everything's great. There's nothing wrong with my fertility. 50% of women between 40 and 43 years old will get pregnant in their first year of trying.
I had no idea so many people would assume I'm too old to get pregnant naturally and would need an egg donor. *shrug*
@@runningfromabear8354 Many people, including those who claimed that you were incapable of pregnancy at 41, seem incapable of understanding nuance - any woman is capable of being pregnant before menopause, but the chances (on average!) are worse the older you get. As you say, 50% of women in their early 40s get pregnant within a year of trying. And 80% of 20 - 29 year olds will get pregnant will get pregnant in their first *six months* of trying. Some women, including you, still have a good egg reserve and other indicators of fertility even in their 40s. All of these things are true, and it's sad that I tend to only see folks making extreme arguments -- it's never too late OR you'll never get pregnant beyond your early 30s.
In America perhaps
It makes me sad to see that you feel this way...because I honestly find wrinkles cute. Especially those around your eyes that you get when you smile and those on forehead that show how much time you spent worrying about your loved ones...because it shows how much people lived trough and that is so beautiful...and I'm not saying it to just be nice, I'm just being honest.
At 15 I went for a consult for rhinoplasty. The surgeon talked to me long and hard about recovery, money, and that I had to come back for further maintenance because I was still going through puberty and my face hasn't fully grown in yet. He did photoshop detailing what he would've done which was SO minimal and ended the consult with, "You are a beautiful girl who will become a beautiful woman. Give yourself love and time, there is nothing I need to change." It's been 9 years and now my nose is my fave feature. If only more surgeons were real like this and didn't prioritize money, they would make a huge impact especially for young girls and boys. And send a message to their parents who agreed to all this and arent helping with their kids esteem.
That is an amazing person, most would not do that!
wow, so glad for you that you had a plastic surgeon like that. it's horrifying to me how many surgeons will operate on literal children to permanently change their faces - like, we all know that we aren't rational and grown up at 15. in what way are we ready to consent to this kind of surgery?
I was going to get a nose job at 14 and I'm turning 16 this Monday. We ended up not having the money for it so I didn't get it. I think I'm glad I didn't get it though cause it was a random surgeon I knew nothing about and I think I like my nose now.
How sweet thanks for sharing 🖤
@@lydiavose5908 I'm sure your nose is lovely, growing up and being in high school can be so brutal for your self-esteem when you're young. When I was in elementary school a kid literally told me I had a pig nose and I never forgot it, I still remember his full name and I thought about it every time I saw him in class later on in high school. I'm 23 now and I love my nose shape and I got a septum piercing at 18 to accentuate my big nose. I think in the current era it's harder than ever on teenagers to have good self-esteem because of things like facetune and Instagram giving the impression that your natural face is ugly unless it reflects the "standard beautiful face" as determined by trends and influencers like the Kardashians. Your uniqueness really does make you beautiful and interesting, though I know that sounds incredibly cliche and cheesy lol.
It almost sounds anti-feminist to reduce female empowerment to something which is achieved by fitting a beauty standard
THIS. i'm a feminist but even though i would never, could never force a woman to stop doing what she's doing, i'm incredibly skeptical of the place plastic surgery has in our community as it is definitely not empowering to make yourself look more desirable and fit into beauty standards that oppress women.
I just hope people who realize this choose not to do it
I was arguing with a friend when I criticized how plastic surgeons are really promoting plastic surgery and how toxic that is and they kept saying how they’re just doing their job and that generally speaking plastic surgery is great for women cause it gives them happiness.
This was a very smart take on the subject. I am 52. The skin on my face started dropping a few years ago. I always looked young for my age ( people told me constantly) I definitely don’t look 35 anymore. I am not going to lie, it doesn’t feel great to see your face change. However, I see getting older as an opportunity to grow, internally. Our society values the external, who you are outside, what you look like, how much money you have. I choose to focus on healthy living, healthy relationships, expanding my mind and my art. I also love clothes, so I still have fun with that. Getting older or aging actually affords you some freedom from the noise outside. I have more time to focus on my happiness.
Wonderfully said Diane! You are a true beauty!
I am very grateful to read what you wrote. You are beautiful inside and, I am sure, out too. Have a great day!
beautiful words
I agree with you!
When I was younger I thought I would die before being 18 because of how depressed and hopeless I felt, but now that I am 20, I want to get older, I want to see myself changing as if it is a reward "I am still alive, I did it"
Aging is beautiful too, it's a different beauty that's all.
I hope you are having a great day!
Wonderful! It also made me think that aging is a sign that we have gone through time. Whether we enjoyed it or not, we have experienced a lot. Isnt that supposed to be natural and not the other way around? It's kinda funny how we have to naturalized the natural :)
My biggest hang up with anti aging everything is that it only ever seems to apply to women. Like, we are expected to remain as fertile youth our entire lives while men are never ever held to that. It's actually super gross.
yup. there's definitely a few 'shameful' parts of aging for men (hair loss and even the treatment of it, weight gain from no longer having the metabolism of their youth) but 90% of age related body shaming, and probably body shaming in general, is directed at women. And it's super fun! I'm in my late 20s and trying not to think about The Wrinkles that are Surely Upon Me (they're really not noticeable and I want to not care, but I'm still aware and feeling preemptively judged. It's insidious.)
It's always lowkey funny to me when people see a picture/video of male Kpop idols and then go "Wow, their skin is so smooth!" - Well, yeah, because you're not used to see SPF wearing, clean shaved/waxed/lasered men wearing make-up and getting their pictures edited based on poreless-baby-skin standards. But we see pictures of women with "flawless" smooth skin all the time.
@GAY RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS examples?
@@ashriihi i think they're a troll
@@nehalilisays ikr. that's one reason i don't want people to obsess over how idols look, how spotless and clear their skin is, how they are always camera ready, but to "obsess" over how talented they truly are. coming from another kpop fan :)
I was watching a tiktok about this exact topic and someone in the comments said "why do you need to look good to feel empowered?" and I honestly never looked at the topic the same way again. There is so much more to people than their looks that SHOULD make you feel empowered. We need to stop pretending that cosmetic surgeries are empowering and "feminist" when all they do is uphold the patriarchy and continue to reduce women to their looks.
This!!! Needing something external (validation from others) is inherently disempowering to an individual, as is submitting yourself to patriarchal norms in a way where you tell yourself you’re not good enough in such a strong manner. Whew.
@@Ella-tf8yv No one said that the need is necessarily for external validation. Also, don't belittle the struggles of people conditioned to get at least some of the validation from their looks. There are numerous processes in play that make us self-conscious of how we look, and a tik tok comment will not erase that.
Two things. First, if you ever wear makeup or try to dress and look nice, you are finding some sense of empowerment in your looks. If cosmetic procedures were the cost of a tube of lipstick, no one would complain. Second, not everyone who gets plastic procedures does so for others. My body was ravaged by years of major surgeries, and I ended up having “cosmetic” work done. Yes, quotes. In helping undo some of the severe scarring, excess skin (one medication made me gain hundreds of pounds that I lost), and general rebalancing, I reclaimed my body from an illness and this boosted my mental health and confidence. Anyone who thinks they have a right to tell me shit like “you should love your body for your battle scars” deserves to go through medical hell and be disfigured because everyone deserves what they think isn’t a big deal. If you get offended by that, it’s because you know it IS a big deal.
We can’t accept makeup, hair dye, piercings, and tattoos as empowering if we’re going to shame other body mods. The dividing line tends to be cost. If not everyone can reasonably afford it in a few months, we act like no one should do a thing. We should shame society putting pressure on people in any way, not people who decide for themselves what they want to do with their bodies. Body-shaming people for getting work done is still body-shaming, and it results in people who have a feature naturally being accused of lying and being shamed, and it sends the message to impressionable young people that there still is a look they need to aim for, and that look is whatever isn’t trendy.
Imo this is the main issue with body positivity, like why should your validation come from physical appearance if this is a feminist movement? Makes no sense. It would be more logical to value people as a whole person than judge one aspect of them
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You touched on one part of plastic surgery that's always bugged me - that the more people get it, the more people who don't get it can stand out and suffer negative consequences for it. I've never been able to see plastic surgery as something that's just for an individual with no other effect, because the more people that decide to do it, the more reinforcement those unrealistic beauty ideals tend to gain. It continues to perpetuate this cycle of making the unrealistic beauty normal and an expected standard, which in turn pushes more people to get it, and so forth.
Obviously it is still up to each person at the end of the day. I don't want to get it because I think that if I got one thing done, I'd start seeing all these other procedures I could also get. And eventually I won't look like me anymore.
Claire Scare EXACTLY! All the while making us value outer beauty at the cost of developing our inner qualities. YUCK.
I personally don’t know anyone that has had full on plastic surgery, and I am 47. I only know a few people that have had cosmetic procedures like filler and the majority are gay men. It might be a completely different ballgame for younger generations but I don’t think we’re in danger of this yet.
There’s currently an increasing backlash against fillers so I would expect some changes.
I do wish more teens - young women would look at the visible signs of plastic surgery and cosmetic procedures that increase as people age. I have had no work done but I will never say never. I’m getting my first wrinkles that bother me. Just me. No one else has said a word about them.
I’m pushing 50. If I were going to start fillers now would be the time. Not at 20. You’re in for a long road if you do that.
I seriously doubt I’ll ever have work or procedures done because at the end of the day I don’t give enough of a ….
Yes! I really hope people choose not to do this. It’s not an individual thing that just affects one person. It perpetuates this standard that’s difficult for lower income people to achieve. If everyone starts getting cosmetic surgery, eventually we’ll have this even more dystopian society where the lower class = the ugly class, and they’ll be treated even worse than they are now.
I actually stand out for not having it and get complimented on my nautral looks. Then again I used to model back in the day and maintained my looks.
To be honest, I don't think plastic surgery looks good and I don't think people who have it think it looks good. It's very noticeable and looks severe.
@@LaurenStarification, stupid!
Honestly it's a lot more radical to be ugly and unapologetic about it. I love going to work without makeup on. I love wearing my cute star zit stickers and taking care of my skin even when it's breaking out. I love letting my hair get a little bit greasy because it's good for it. I love being ugly and taking up space and not being sorry about the way I look.
I don't understand how people can say cosmetic surgery is empowering for women. It feeds on our insecurities, it takes our money (and sometimes lives), and it just leads other women to feel worse about their natural features
Cause women are often competitive with other women or take after one another not to be left behind in a group. This is easily noticeable like even from kindergarten level.
Spoiler alert: it isn't, but choice feminism will have you believing otherwise to distract from the real pervasiveness of patriarchy and misogyny if the things they want you to do are repackaged as a "choice" made, rather than being goaded into it.
It also perpetuates sexist and racist standards or beauty
@@RoxyCherryRozy It's funny because people often say this, but if you really think about it, what is this force that pits women against each other from such a young age?? It's patriarchy and internalized misogyny. That is what feeds this competition. Men, or rather patriarchal systems, have made it profitable if women are constantly in conflict with each other. That is why pick-mes exist. That is why the beauty industry is so profitable for men. That is why the porn industry is so jam-packed with women. That is why cosmetic surgery is at an all-time high. A women's most valuable asset in patriarchy is her beauty and that starts with conditioning at a kindergarten level.
@@camillefaith2005 Exactly. I'm tired of people thinking women are enemies with each other by nature ??? Like, what? It's called female socialization
I think it’s so important to criticize the plastic surgery industry and how it profits of women’s and people’s insecurities. I think some people are scared of addressing it because they don’t want to come off as anti-plastic surgery and accidentally shame those who did get it or are tempted to. It’s not that we should judge the people who wound up getting it because they’re just a product of a culture that expects them conform to beauty standards. But we should try harder normalizing diverse beauty rather than conformity.
Exactly, it’s all about criticizing the industry and not the individual people
Yes I don’t like the plastic surgery TRENDS, but if a person wants something because they have always wanted to change it should absolutely make that choice with any pressure.
These are my thoughts exactly. I came to the comments to say exactly this, but why mess with perfection! You said it so well 👏🏻
Thank you for saying this!!
Yep- attack the system, not individual people. And we need to understand that there are multiple forces within the system that push individual people into making those choices. We are a product of our environments, and of the choices that are presented to us.
It’s not just about being insecure about your looks. As Mina mentioned, there’s a correlation between beauty and class. “Ugly” people are punished economically while people who meet beauty standards are rewarded. If someone wants to get out of poverty, but can’t because they aren’t pretty enough? That’s a huge problem. I mean, poverty itself is a problem, but we do also have beauty standards reinforcing poverty.
People “look poor” based on being fat (there’s a huge correlation between poverty and obesity), on not having expensive looking makeup, on not having perfect skin, and now, on not having the right shaped face or body by way of injectables and cosmetic surgery. Looking poor hugely reduces your options through limiting careers, relationships, ability to gain loans, and can quite literally kill you given the inherent classism bias people have. And the cops are people.
Looking into the system shows just how massive an issue this is, and how connected it is to other issues of class. And of course class is also connected to other issues of race, queerness, and disability among many others, as class is the one oppression that is a throughline on all others. It’s all connected, and it’s a bloody awful system. I also think it shows that what we need to do is dismantle and change the system if we really want to deal with this issue (or with many others that might initially seem unrelated). We can’t fix it without solving the thing that is supporting and reinforcing it. And not only is it a case of class reinforcing the beauty standards and therefore the cosmetic surgery industry, there’s also the profit motive of those within the industry, who will happily push that beauty-class correlation and make insecurities worse. Anything to make more money.
We need to destroy capitalism and replace it with something better, is what I’m saying. You can’t fix a systemic issue without fixing the system.
As a girl who’s always had a big/defined Italian nose and really small breasts, it severely fucked me up hearing about plastic surgery because 99% of it was women either getting their noses done to be smaller or their breasts done to be bigger because that’s what’s seen as “sexy” and “more feminine.” I felt so disgusting and manly for years (and still do, but less frequently) because of this. Everyone wanting the exact opposite of what you have naturally can make you feel like absolute shit, so I’m really glad we’re talking about this more. Cosmetic surgery never has been and never will be empowering and all it does is profit off of women’s insecurities.
I'm so sorry about that, and honestly I can relate. For the longest time I've seen these cute little curved button noses go mainstream and become what everyone likes, and my nose is like a right triangle sticking out of my face lol. I agree it's not empowering in the slightest, personally I never understood how it could be, I mean, in 20 years what if it's fashionable to have a big nose and small thin lips? That's the thing, it's ever-changing, so I say, embrace what you've got and embrace diversity. It's impossible to fit society's beauty standard forever.
(sorry that was a little cheesy)
Preach! ❤️
In Eastern Europe the anorexic thin body was and still is in even if you smoke and eat junk, as long as you outwardly look thin, the next step is obtaining flashy branded items like purses, shoes etc and the step after that is obtaining a rich husband...it's so shallow but they don't care that they look down on people that don't look like that or don't aspire for that.
I feel like people have this unrealistic sense of how people age to begin with. People at work think I'm 23/24, but when I tell them I'm 30 they get noticeably shocked and its like do people think once you hit 30 you become a mummy?
It makes me upset when people are always like “you haven’t aged😍” all the time because it implies that aging is a bad thing when it’s totally normal
Be honest, do you want them to say? "Wow you've aged!".. I get what you mean but pretty sure no one wants that either
@@samanthaj9286 no id rather people just compliment people on how they look without their age having anything to do with it lol
@@samanthaj9286 … They can compliment someone without bringing up age at all lol
@Oki O so you shouldn't ever compliment women's looks?
Yes I've stopped saying things like that as compliments, like "you look so good for your age" or "you look so young". We're taught that these are compliments but they're really just implying that someone should be uglier because they're old, or that looking younger is somehow better, when it's really not.
I hate that ageing “gracefully” is pieced together with surgery.. like, ageing and entering that new stage in your life is so beautiful.
I agree, things like laugh lines should remind people of the times they laughed and had fun in life, it's sad that things like that have become something so negative.
Great point. "Grace" is considered anything that doesn't REALLY show your age.
It isn’t beautiful to age, unless decay is beautiful. Still, there is the possibility for wisdom and dignity in old age, which is better than physical beauty.
@@HeyyyitsBell I'm not sure about that. There's physical experience gained as well as mental experience gained. People talk about laugh lines, like, you could see that as just your skin cells sagging and falling apart, or you can see it as evidence of laughter and joy. Frown lines are often used in photography to portray intelligence or seriousness. White or salt and pepper hair is another example of something that you could see as decay scientifically (the hair strand losing it's ability to keep color), but it's also a look a lot of people rock. All of these can be attractive in a physical way, I think. I'm also not sure that decay CAN'T be beautiful, either. Beauty is cultural, personal, subject to change and beauty is also poetry. So it is, at least partially, what you make of it. I think it's very sweet what you said about wisdom and experience mattering more though. It's a tough concept to boil down. Thanks for making me think a little bit.
One of the experiences I had that made me question my entire definition of "beautiful" happened, in fact, just a few months ago. My mom and I were running errands, and she introduced me to an acquaintance of hers on the way back home. We chatted for a bit and said our goodbyes before getting back to our path. I distinctly remember mom telling me about this lady's difficult life as a single mother who had to raise the son of an already married man who did not want to make compromises. Mom concluded with a phrasing somewhat akin to "Well, at least her son didn't get her looks" and I was surprised. I told mom I didn't think she was ugly, and mom was quite bewildered. "Well, at least someone thinks she looks fine." I don't know what is worse: the fact that I was likely the only one in the town who thought she looked okay, or that the things that made her " ugly" were ethnic features traditionally associated with mixed-race people, African-Americans, and south-American autochthonous backgrounds.
Oh, and apparently my country invented the BBL. Sorry about that buddy.
Had a similar conversation with a friend a while back. She was talking about her classemate, a girl, who was dating a European white man. My friend insisted about how her classemate was too ugly for her boyfriend.
Later I saw the couple's pictures and I find nothing strange. My friend's clasemate was a cute and beautiful afro-descendant girl, almost too cute for her boyfriend (at least from my POV).
Being Mexican it makes me sad how prevalent is racism in Latin America and how little we confront the issue.
@@tiarezavaleta8850 honestly, I 100% agree with you. This type of stuff runs deep, and there's just so much work to do. I don't even know where to even begin.
@@tiarezavaleta8850 as a Latin American, I confirm
This is really sad
I started to get pretty insecure about early signs of ageing in my mid 20s, but the last couple years I've really gone through an emotional transformation about it and stopped caring completely. I work in a super male-dominated industry, so naturally the majority of my 'idols' growing up were men. I sat down one day and took a look at pictures of these men, most of them wrinkled, overweight, balding, and awkward-looking, and thought about how deeply respected and revered they are for what they contribute, create and express. No one would ever question their looks. Their looks aren't even remotely a part of how their value is assessed. I know society won't treat me the same way, as someone who's (roughly) female, but damnit I want that for myself. And I'm never going to get it unless I fully untie my looks from my inner sense of value. I have to fully 'live' that truth if I want it to take hold. I know I won't be treated the same as those men. It's going to be a fight, and some people will unfairly judge me for 'looking my age' or not being 'pretty' enough. But society is never going to change unless more and more of us choose to just go for it anyway and push through. In the end it's strength in numbers. You have to be the change you want to see.
I want to become someone who inspires young girls (or enbies or boys!) because of who I am and what I contribute to the world, so they can see someone like them and think "she's so highly respected because of what she does, not because of how she looks. I could be like her." It's a subtle thing really, it's not like I take no interest in how I look - I enjoy expressing myself creatively with clothes, hair, makeup etc. - but I'm specifically not going to make myself look young. I'm not going to cover up my dark circles or dye my grey hairs or spend 30 minutes every night dabbing 7 different ointments carefully into my skin and 30 minutes every morning covering my face with makeup for a 'natural youthful glow'. I'm definitely not getting surgeries or implants or injections to create an uncanny valley version of myself that's more 'acceptable'. I'm going to take all the time and money I could have spent on that stuff over the years and put it into making and doing and helping and laughing and just... living.
Wow that's a great heartwarming comment. :) I once used some app to make myself look older and I realized I looked like my mom. Seeing my aged face after the original photo was surprising, but not ugly. You can be beautiful and valuable even as a old woman. There's beauty in wrinkles, it makes you appreciate that you are here, alive. Your body is always working, changing. Despite knowing this, seeing even a tiny wrinkle is scary to me, because I'm a perfectionist and live in a society that pressures women into unattainable standards. Men can have a beer belly, but a woman must have flat belly even after being pregnant. A scar on a man is badass, but on woman it's ugly. Body hair on man is great, but on woman? So unhygienic and disgusting. So many double standards. Ugh.
you go madam!
Most underrated comment here.
Shockofthenew. YES!!!! SO much good energy and life flowing through your comment......I join you in focusing on my abilities and my inner experience of balance and curiosity about the world. not EVERYONE judges others on their looks.....let's stick together and put our energy into what is important and helpful in life....sounds rich and satisfying!
PUT TRUTH INTO WORDS!!
I mentioned getting fillers to my Grandmother once and she said “You're going to look like me eventually, why wouldn't you want that?”
I thought that was such a great point because I always thought she and my mother were so beautiful...why wouldn't I want that beautiful maturity for myself?
Beautiful maturity. I love this!
This is so pure!
I feel the same way!!! And I feel self conscious about my nose but I think my mother is beautiful and we look the same, so why don’t I think that about myself? It’s a matter of being more critical of the self or whatever
A great point! ♥
Most beautiful thing i've read today
The scariest part of cosmetic surgery is that literal 18-year-olds are getting it because they're scared of aging. In what dystopian society do we live in?
I don't have anything against people doing whatever they want, but getting cut open for non-emergency procedures is so scary to me.
It's so sad to see such young women doing botox when they don't even have anything to inject it in... like why? I dont get it 😕 they look young, they don't need this shit
I know right? I need a surgical procedure for a medical condition and I've put it off for years because I've never had a surgery and I've been scared (that's not good either because it could improve my quality of life, also COVID delayed it too when I had decided to finally get it). And it's so weird to me that people are too scared to get a vaccine to keep them alive but will get a whole surgery they don't need.
Many are even minors, I‘ve seen 14-17 years old with some fillers
Wtf, at that age all someone really needs is a good skincare routine for the look they want.
I mean free money for the plastic surgeons ig
I am 50 and I remember feeling old at 19, 21 and especially when I reached 25. After that, you realise that age is relative. I now look at 30 year olds as so young now (in a good way, not patronising) in that you have your whole lie ahead of you. Your face changes as you get older but just look after yourself and stop worrying. The biggest advice I'd give any young person is if they're worried about being single etc. don't be, those years of freedom are such a gift 😊
Thanks for the reminder. Idk why being 15 had made me so sad because I missed those 2 years doing nothing and having no friends at all but honestly i guess it was a break for me. Once i step out I cant do everything freely. 15 is a young age I shouldnt be pressured by what I see online. I take my time off social media and its been the best decisions ever. I feel so free. If i age then i age cuz thats how its supposed to be
@@exp-io853 You're absolutely right. It sounds like you have a lot more figured out than I did even in my mid-twenties. Like you said, just be true to yourself and the funny thing is that vibe makes people respect and like you more. Also, throughout life you might find periods of time that you might withdraw and not want to be out in the world so much. This isn't a waste at all, it is valuable time for yourself. Like the seasons, everything goes in cycles.
So my mom is from Southeast Asia, and she flew to Thailand to remove her hanging skin rolls on her stomach from her pregnancies/c-sections and some jaw fat… the plastic surgeon convinced her to add in a boob job and a double eyelid surgery since she was going under the knife anyway. It was her choice in the end but I’m sad she did that. I miss her original eyes and I couldn’t really recognize her. It took her a longer than expected to heal too. It was a hard time for her
She also says stuff like“my eyes are bigger, now I look like you” or “people don’t think I’m Asian anymore, they think I’m mixed!” as if she won something in life… note: I am half white. Idk how to describe how I felt when she said that but it was definitely not a good feeling… and it reveals a lot about how beauty ideals revolve around white features 🤦🏽♀️
weirdly enough, white celebs try to look Asian. Ariana Grande looks full on Asian now, you can find 10 different versions of her in Cambodia and Japan. You'll find a Kim Kardashian in every 2nd Indian house. Kylie Jenner looks so arab that someone made a parody of this on youtube lol, they put her in an Arabian hair oil ad. My uncle who's white said that if he was asked to guess their race, he would not be able to guess that they're all white
@@nini-qc1qd While in general I agree totally with your comment, Kim Kardashian is actually a good chunk Armenian. The others cannot be justified in the slightest though
@@rahmashaikh7872 oh rlly? I didn't know that! Kim makes sense the, thank you for telling me!
@@nini-qc1qd Yeah no problem :)
I also didn’t recognize Renee Zellweger after her eyelid surgery. She looks so different.
People say “just don’t get cosmetic procedures if you don’t like them” without any understanding of how beauty standards affect everyone, including those who can’t or won’t get procedures. Remember a couple years ago when EVERYONE got super into skincare? A lot of us got really into it because we saw it as “preventing aging.” I was 27 and I thought I HAD to start using expensive serums nightly to “prevent aging” because I knew I wouldn’t be able to afford cosmetic surgery in the future.
I’m only 29 now and I honestly already feel ugly by today’s standards, because they’re so fixated on appearing HYPER youthful. And younger generations ARE going to have no understanding of what natural aging looks like. I already see so many young people who look at older people around them who are aging naturally and think they’re just “not taking care of themselves.” They don’t understand how much money and effort it takes to maintain that youthful look.
Ok, your explanation of why we should appreciate natural aging and all is great, but I am just here to clarify that effective skin care against aging doesn't have to be expensive.
You only need to add a retinoid to your routine. Anything else from double cleanse, to to moisturize, to sunscreen, you should be doing anyways (these is not to shame anyone that can't afford any skincare steps, but rather to show that the cosmetic industry overprices the most basic stuff). Just watch Dr Dray here on UA-cam and pick the cheapest recommendations)
Even on Facebook we see videos of "look, she is 60 and so slim and muscular and looks so youthful. She is healthy, what's your excuse ?" As if everybody needed to look like that. It affects 30 year olds already it's sad
The skincare era caused me so much distress. I literally ended up using a skin lightening cream to remove PIH and I kid you not my face got 50x worse ( went from very slight PIH over both cheeks to damn near melasma all over my face ).
The skincare era caused me so much distress. I literally ended up using a skin lightening cream to remove PIH and I kid you not my face got 50x worse ( went from very slight PIH over both cheeks to damn near melasma all over my face ).
@@nompumelolo omg, I am so sorry to hear that. May I ask if you used sunscreen while using the treatment? Also consulting a dermatologist or getting tips for dermatologist here in UA-cam might help. Thing like putting sunscreen on, properly removing sunscreen and makeup, using niacinamide, azelaic acid, vitamin C or retinoids for hyperpigmentation and moisturizing your skin are all thing that are recommended by dermatologist. And you can search for those tips yourself!
I wish you a lot of success in your skin care journey.
Also, melasma or no melasma, we are all beautiful people. I myself suffer form hyperpigmentation because of depression and untreated acne
"There are some universal truths"
"Sunset, flowers, *Keanu Reaves* " YES
omg I acc love Keanu 😩
He is beautiful both inside and out!
When that picture of him popped up i felt joy. Its so cute and wholesome
Was looking for this comment!!!
thats one of my fave pics of him ever. HES SO SWEET
I was bullied for my appearance in middle school until 8th grade. That was when thick brows came into style. Everyone began to ask me where I got my brows done. I didn't! I was simply rolling out of bed and not yet allowed to wear makeup. This odd experience led me to be wary of the transient nature of beauty trends. Growing up, I knew of women who plucked their brows and had false ones tattooed on to match a style! What did they do after it fell out of favor?
In a decade, what you hate about yourself might be lauded and what you love disdained. How you react to that is up to you.
This happened with freckles too ahahahah i always hated how dirty they made my face look, and envied people with clear complexions. I see people paint them on now and still feel a bit of resent knowing that at the end of the day they can just wipe them off and have a clear face again
same i got called freckle face in a bad way and now everyone curates these perfect freckles lol . i understand why people are annoyed by this. Humans are such sheep, its pathetic
There is beauty in aging. When I was 15, I was terrified of looking 30. I'm about to be 32 and I think I am at my most attractive, which is saying something for someone who made a list of all the things I'd change when I was 15. I have a partner who is getting gray hair and it's absolutely beautiful. I hope my hair is as lovely as theirs.
We have an uncomfortable obsession with youth in our society and I would very much like for it to change. I don't expect society to adore aging but accepting it is the least I want. It'll make all of our lives better in the long run.
its still about you being most attractive lol not helpful but ok
@@Abishhhhh That's what you got from my comment?
@@Abishhhhh How is anything I said about being more attractive?
The thing that bothers me most of plastic surgery is that for most women, this expense starts in their 30s-40s. This is the prime time to invest in your financial independence and retirement. While men are allowed to pursue their wealth, women have an additional pressure to spend thousands to look like they belong. Injections, hair treatments, facials etc add up fast.
At 36, this is the conversation I have often with my cohort of professional women. We all feel the invisible pressure to look like we are aging gracefully - somehow okay with being old(er) without showing any signs.
This right here yes!!!! Thank you for talking about this
Omf Thor. Yes. This.
I disagree, the prime time to invest in your financial independence/retirement is NOW. Ladies please take charge of your financial futures, and be vigilant in learning how to invest. Even if you aren't earning now.. you can be ready when you are!
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Also! A lot of plastic surgeons are men. So instead of investing thousands into your own financial future you might be lining the pockets of men who already is making millions.
The whole thing about plastic surgery being “empowering” is just using choice feminism as a marketing tool and telling women buying ___ product “is empowering cause your a woman! that made her own choice!” Without question why they made that choice in the first place. Even when people get plastic surgery it doesn’t erase insecurities they had before. I’m not shaming the people who get plastic surgery cause there are other reasons other than just for beauty. The people who do get it just for beauty shouldn’t be shamed either. It’s the companies that convince they need it/ marketing it as feminist to make it more normalized even though they are just upholding impossible standards.
then what's the point of plastic surgery, maury.
@@underwirez wdym what’s the point?? Did you not watch the video? Plastic surgery isn’t just for aesthetic purposes, it’s been used for reconstruction after damage to the face and body, for trans people, to help medical issues such as deviated septum that makes it hard to breath for people etc.
@@aspannas so why is everyone making such a big deal out of nothing and making it seem like everyone should avoid plastic surgery?
also i asked maury, not you.
@@underwirez the whole issue completely went over your head didn’t it?? Watch the video. I just answered your comment, no need to be so pissy about it. Also who is “Maury”??? The person you replied to is Mary*.
@asia i feel like you might genuinely just not understand the point of the video. the issue isn’t with people getting plastic surgeries individually, the issue is that the beauty standard has created a certain look that’s hyper youthful. besides the fact that deeming one face as “the most beautiful one” is already bad, it also pressures people into getting it to avoid looking “old” since it’s so prevalent. aging is a natural part of life, yet the beauty standard is pretty much shunning it.
also, in the video, mina literally said she doesn’t have ANY problem with people themselves getting it.
A lot of time “imperfections” make a face interesting and attractive. We are all familiar with the cautionary tale of Jennifer Gray. She was an attractive woman with a strong nose. She’s still very pretty, but is now generic.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure her rhinoplasty was "botched" because the surgeon priorized beauty over reconstruction. She only got the procedure because she was in a car accident that damaged her nose.
I broke a small cartilage in my nose at 15 and the doctor offered two options to heal it: either to stick a piece of plastic up my nose to put pressure on the fracture until it fused (which, though uncomfortable only would take 3 days and no pain) or to operate it. The doctor tried to convince me to operate my nose saying “I could improve it aesthetically” (I have a high nose bridge) I started crying in fear, I really did not want to get surgery and was scared of what woukd happen if I did. It’s so unbelievably evil for a doctor to try and prey off of a teen’s insecurities and I’m glad I didn’t get it, I love my nose bridge so much
My stance, with beauty culture in general, is that there’s nothing inherently feminist about it. If you want plastic surgery that’s okay, but please don’t tell me it’s a feminist empowerment thing. I’m not shaming anyone because of that. You don’t have to make all of your decisions based around if they are or aren’t feminist, I certainly don’t when I buy and wear makeup. You don’t have to rationalize and make up excuses for everything you do. As soon as you’re able to accept that not all choices made by women are feminist ones you open yourself up to thinking a bit more critically about the ones you make, and start the path to learning to accept not living up to societal standards.
YES!! I'm so fed up with the whole "whatever a woman decides to do is feminist because it was her decision" bullshit 😭😭
@@ester-fj7ip I understand the need to defend your choices, but sometimes it’s okay to just accept that society conditions us and not all our choices are what we would choose without that conditioning
Are these choices anti feminist though ??
@@yvonnemwanzile4955 Personally I would not consider them anti-feminist, just aligned with cultural gender norms. IMO, anti-feminism is an intentional hatred for the feminist movement.
@@yvonnemwanzile4955 not anti-feminist so much as just not actively feminist. You’re not railing against it, which is what anti-feminist would imply.
The funny thing about cosmetic surgery to me is i've seen so many influencers who actually end up looking older after getting work done. Like, they look 35 but are really 23.
Same, for me Bella Hadid comes to mind. Don’t get me wrong she’s pretty but I feel she’s heading into the uncanny valley and that angular look makes her look more in her 30s than 20s.
Lol just say tana mongeau
Because early 30s is considered ideal age for beautifulness. It's the age when you have lost your baby fat with more rugged beauty and have not aged much.
@@The0neWomanShow for bella it is clear her parents went to the surgeon asking for carla bruni's face. it looks so odd to me because it wasn't even an enhancement of her natural features but a transplant of someone else's face. perhaps she looks older too because they put carla's face on a younger girl.
@@mistress.villaina7591 yeah I get the same 'transplant' feeling too, she's gorgeous but Jamie Lee Curtis recently said that plastic surgery is wiping out generations of beauty and I fear she might be right. This isn't to shame her at all, but just indicative of a larger trend.
GIRL YOU SAVED MY LIFE.
i had a test some time ago and on the test i had to write a 30 lines long argumentative text about the trivialization of plastic surgery . on these tests you only get to know the theme of the essay as you are doing the test, so following your channel and seeing this video on the day of the release has saved my grades😭 TY SO MUCH I GOT A 9/10 LMAOOOOO
p.s i know your video isnt exactly the same theme but on the introduction of the essay you can start by giving historic context or something else and i was only able to write a good introduction and earn a good grade bc of u !!
To me, there's something so beautifully human about reconstructive surgery. Just knowing we have the ability to give somebody back a piece of normal after such a traumatic event feels like a miracle in and of itself. Seeing WWI era reconstructive surgeries always remind me of that.
girl i am laughing at you . like really? My god
I cried SO hard on my 25th birthday because I thought I was going to start looking old from then on out. I even booked a consultation for fillers but backed out of it. Social media has really warped people's ideas of what aging looks like, it's okay to have some fine lines or dark circles. Skin isn't made to be immobile and smooth like marble
Your so young.
Why do people in their 20s think they are in their 70s?
It’s so bad how we just can’t enjoy our 20’s, instead I end up worrying every year that I’m “old”. Logically I know I’m not but it’s this societal BS that there’s some ticking clock after you turn 18 as a woman.
I'm 24. One woman staff told me I looked old just because I didn't wear makeup like her. I was very upset at that time but I feel better now. And I have one line on my forehead from frowning a lot but I can accept it now. I thought to myself people aren't that different if we peel the skin layer.(Edit: I meant to say it's all the same muscles, blood and bones, etc underneath the skin 😅) I also spend less time on social media. So, I am happier than before about my appearance these days.
I turned 24 a few weeks ago & I relate to you so much! I’m finally educating myself on feminism, etc. Hating myself isn’t fun :/
I also just turned 25 and I’ve had this thought so many times. “I’m 25, I’m so old now, might as well pack it up.”
When I was younger I read Percy Jackson and the lighting thief, and there's a moment where Percy describes his father Poseidon. He says that he has wrinkles in his face from "smiling over the years". I thought that was so cool, and that when I got old I would like to be like that. With the perspective of a man, I think that it's so sad that girls are raised with the idea that getting old is something they should avoid
It’s different because Poseidon is a man. Don’t you know standards for men and women are different? People like the old dad look. They like the grey hairs and aged look. People even accept dad boss. Standards are a LOT more attainable for men
@@dianalove539 I know right! That's basically what I'm saying. I was taught as a child that looking old is something natural and that I should feel good in my aging body. So it's really sad that society has brainwashed women into thinking that looking old is something they should try to avoid
Girl here, I remember reading that line when I was about twelve and also thinking it would be cool to look like that when I was older, and I try to keep more realistic expectations in mind now that I am eighteen and keep getting facial suncream marketed to me because I apparently I need to act now if I don't want to look like a disgusting hag when I grow up (/s just to clarify). I think the idea that you should regularly use suncream for anything other than avoiding skin cancer (my future dream job is mostly outdoors) is kind of ridiculous now but when I was sixteenish I am afraid that I did fall for a lot of the skincare hype. It turns out ending puberty is actually the only thing that has noticeably affected my skin.
I recall that exact part too! It always stuck with me... I find there's a nice beauty that occurs in people as they age thats so under-estimated. There's always something warm and comforting about older faces that gets completely erased with the presence of botox or surgery. The loveliest smiles I ever saw came from people who had a lot of wrinkles in their face
True buy we need to start applying it to women. Sometimes I do look in the mirror and hyper focus and go "oh no i have wrinkles and creases around my eyes and mouth. I'm young!" And immediately follow up with "bc I have good family and friends who keep me smiling and laughing my face off to the point where it crinkles" and thats truly a fucking blessing. I'm okay looking like I've lived a happy emotive life bc tbh, that IS more important than being young forever.
As a 30 year old raising a daughter in this society, I really appreciated this video. I hope I’m a good example of loving myself at every stage of aging, but it’s already getting harder!!!
I feel this. I’m 27 and just noticed fine lines in my forehead the other day, so I immediately got bangs to hide them. I need to be better than that for my daughter’s sake. 😮💨
I personally think we seriously need to normalize aging. Like no one will always look young and that's totally OK.
Nope.
@@ilikecocainebabeAre you a plastic surgeon or something?
Not very fun fact: my friend trained to be a receptionist for a plastic surgeon and she learned that when people come in for a procedure, doctors are supposed to compliment them but also insinuate that there’s definitely room for improvement, which adds up bc my sister had a consultation for a boob job and the (creepy) surgeon said her breasts were “the perfect shape, just too small but if they were bigger they would be just perfect” I guess we love the manipulation tactics 😬 or not
I wanna know more!
It makes sense on multiple levels. Many plastic surgeons would just have that mentality in the first place, that almost everything there's room for improvement. Because the job probably attracts visual people and perfectionistic people to a degree. Then there would also be surgeons who say those things purposely as a sales tactic. At the end of the day, a private plastic surgery practice is a business. Some businesses promote or support sketchy behavior.
I hate that women empowerment is only important when it comes to enhancing our bodies to fit the beauty standards of society but when it comes to actual women empowerment such as abortion laws, equal pay and other liberty-focused choices, it's no longer important.
period
Abortion is not illegal and the equal pay act was passed in the 1960's. We just ask you pay for your birth control and your abortions with your own money... is that too much to ask?
@@wiredvibe1678 Pretty sure in Texas abortion is illegal now? Including for rape victims and cases of incest
In TX, women are losing their rights. Abortions are illegal past 6 weeks, even in cases of rape or incest. Other southern states like Mississippi are making healthy abortions impossible as well. Also Texas made a whistleblower law and hotline so every day citizens can tattle are people receiving or performing abortions after 6 weeks. Crazy most women and especially teenage girls don’t even know they’re pregnant until 8 weeks
@@wiredvibe1678 by the way, neither the first comment or the video are just about the U.S.A.
“The ‘ordinary’ will come to be perceived and evaluated as the ‘ugly’.” This is so real and it’s already happening. I’m sure I’m not the only one who’s experienced it.
As someone hitting 30, I’ve been considered “old” by those in the younger generation, the pressure to remain looking youthful and the stigma around ageing is real. This is where for me, the pressure to get Botox for example or fillers comes in.
eww you're 30? 🤮
You're still young. Don't give into the pressure
Even kids unknowingly uphold the unrealistic beauty standards placed on aging women!!
they're kidding lol calm down. when people STOP joking about you being old, you're old.
am in the same position as you am 28 but life feels like hell i wish i can die i cant keep up with beauty standards
The cost and effort involved in “beauty maintenance” really can’t be overstated. The other day I was on the microblading subreddit - I had my brows micro bladed in 2016 and it was promoted as “semi permanent” makeup, said I could expect the pigment to fade within a year or so… but it’s been over four years and I still have some visible pigment! The color changed from medium brown to a warmer almost orangey tone, which luckily doesn’t look too bad on me but is still visible under my brow hairs.
I was reading a bunch of horror stories of people who got this done thinking it was just a fun thing to try out for a bit, but now they’re stuck with leftover pigment years later. Some have faded color that goes way beyond their natural hairs, or was a shape they weren’t happy about to begin with, so now they have to cover it with makeup everyday - so frustrating that a trend that’s meant to save time on your brow routine could totally backfire.
Worst of all it can be incredibly expensive and difficult to remove the last pigment, if it’s possible at all.
I think a lot of procedures can be like this. To potentially spend so much time and money (plus experience pain or discomfort) to do AND undo something is just exhausting! Really makes you reconsider whether it’s worth the risk at all.
I made so much mistakes with hairdye that way too.
I’m so sorry, thanks for sharing your experience.
I have always felt so much pressure to do micro blading, eye lash extensions, Botox etc. because my sisters are SO into being physically perfect. They’re also both hairstylist so have to look their best at all times.
I ran the eye lash and micro blading procedures by my dermatologist and she explained why and how theyre leading to some really unfortunate outcomes. So I never went through with it.
My sisters look amazing and I don’t think they’ve had adverse reactions yet thankfully but I do worry about them band wagoning on every beauty trend and going to what I feel is extremes sometimes in their early 20s even. I fear it’s only a matter of time before they have permanent issue(s).
This is probably my biggest issue with cosmetic procedures. They’re so expensive that even the “non-invasive” ones like botox and fillers costs thousands of dollars but their primary target is women - who on average earn way less than men! So the little money we get we’re so readily spending it on nothing! Just blowing it on $300 hair styles, $100 lash extensions, $1000 fillers, and ten thousands of dollars on surgeries.
I don’t think most of us earn the money to keep up with it but it seems like everyone around me is getting these treatments. I guess that’s why they have to veil it in “empowerment” and “self-care” nonsense.
Why stop the conversation with plastic surgery. Let's talk about cosmetic dentistry! People endure YEARS of pain with braces, the hassle of the retainer, the expensive visits, and do not get me started with crowns/veneers. And absolutely no one bats an eye! No finger pointing!
Compare that, for example, with a nose job. I had one and never felt insecure nor ugly about my nose prior to doing it. The recovery was great, 0 pain, have had worse colds. Looked "normal" in a week or so.
I think that plastic surgery can be (and should be?) Thought as something neutral. It's not like we don't ALL change our appearance (influenced on current trends)!
I've been waiting to get microbladed brows bc I keep thinking about what I would look like if it had been available in the 90's when I was a teen 😕 I would have the thinnest darkest brows! I worry that any brow style will come in and out of fashion so I'd rather use makeup that I can take off.
This is such an important video
I completely agree btw I absolutely love your videos
She explains it better than I ever could have
Omg yall should calab
You’re an important video
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That bit where you said "we know how bad society treats asian women" when you meant to say aging women..but honey you got it right on the first time and second time..ppl need to know how we've been pushed over, ignored, bullied, murdered, and fetishized..yet so many of us stay quiet. We are NO LONGER going to be quiet about this!
I see parallels in the skin care trends as well, where people are expected to spend obscene amounts of money on using many products on your face (think, why did systems of many products become the "thing"? Because the companies selling them make more money that way). Texture, acne, discoloration, hair-- all of these are natural. It's especially disheartening to see this associated with morality and hygiene. Like having clear skin =/= being clean, being good, being responsible. It means you have the time and resources to devote to frivolity. Just use your water and your average soap. "Perfect" skin is a capitalist myth.
But acne literally can be related to cleanliness.
I think it's also important to note that prior to the last century, the emphasis was on padding and other methods to achieve the fashionable silhouette of the day, not physically changing your actual body. Big butts are on trend? Bum roll under your skirt. Bigger chest needed? A cage corset with padding. And so on and so forth. I've heard women who work in re-enactment saying they actually feel so comfortable in their clothes because underneath all the skirts and the padding and the stays, who knows what they actually look like. Every day is a "good body" day. Clothes were also tailored to individual shapes and were as flattering as possible. Clothes weren't a one style fits all. I once read a pattern for a jacket with different instructions on how to make it even depending on whether the person hunches or not. Can we go back to tailoring clothes and not bodies please 😅
This comment should be at the TOP
Unfortunately, tailoring is not affordable at all and never was.
This right here👏👏👏
Applause 👏🏽
You can self learn anytime n only get things tailored that u rlly like
Ladies and gents. Be aware that fillers don't just "go away". You may think they do because your Lips (or whatever location) thin out over time. But they have been shown to stay in the face for up to 12 years. What does happen is that the filler can migrate around the face, sometimes into layers that you DO NOT want them to be. In addition, adding too much filler can lead to your face becoming rounder, and even with a professional trying to remove the filler, it is sometimes not possible. Buyer beware.
Yes. Some of my favorite K-Pop idols ended up looking like their faces were sort of - melty - because they got fillers and then more fillers and then more fillers in an effort to stay youthful looking.
What about botox? Does that go away with time or is it the same way as with fillers?
@@astrid5012 Botox is temporary. It’s also got a lot of medical uses like for migraines.
@@beccangavin wait which one? I can only think of Bom, but just checking.
@@apurbakoner7690 Bom was so cute. YG is the worst. All of the girls in 2ne1 were beatiful and talented BEFORE they changed their faces. She's still cute because she's Park Bom but I hardly recognized her the last time I saw her. Sadly, it makes it hard to like BP because every time I see them I think "That's the younger model YG traded 2ne1 in for" which really isn't fair to Black Pink. Sorry, small rant. Hate YG with passion.
Thank you for this video! I noticed you didn't touch on the "mommy surgery" where people get tummy tucks and other surgeries to get rid of their post partum bodies; this might include breast augmentation or reduction as well. Just wanted to throw it out there as this is highly normalized in parent circles online. You don't need it!! Your body is a miracle!
Reduction might make sense...sometimes they get too saggy and might be painful for their backs.
@@-blackcherry3918 i would love to have reduction, its the most uncomfortable thing for me
I am 16 and recently I’ve been so scared of ageing… it’s sad how many other teenage girls and I feel this way.
Can we also talk about the fact that these celeb women “who look great” are also quick to claim they’ve had no surgery? The audacity. The kardashians barely admit it, Ariana grande refuses to admit it, and Jlo too. Like… y’all really think we don’t know?? Haha 😂
The worst part of it are the fans who are defending them on top.. especially the Ariana fans
It's just so toxic
Koreans do this every time...
Ariana's are soooo obvious too like her whole face has changed over the years! And even Taylor Swift had work done, she still looks like herself though but if you look closely it's also obvious, she for sure had a boob job and face fillers/lifts
I find it hilarious when people who’ve obviously had a lot of plastic surgery (Ariana, the Kardashians etc.) refuse to admit to it. It’s like “We have eyes. We see”. It’s insulting the general public’s intelligence at this point.
Also, let's not play pretend and say that these "enhanced" faces look good, because they really don't in most cases when seen in person. They translate well in pictures and whatnot, but seeing people with so much work done on their faces in real life, in motion, is kinda spooky. I don't mean to make fun of them or anything, I just mean to point out that people strive for this IG face that just looks good on IG, but in real life they can't even achieve it. It's the most unrealistic, unachievable thing. Hope it makes sense...
It reminds of my first time seeing IG makeup in real life. It didn’t look good at all! Great for the camera and IG but in the light of day?🥴
i so agree! it looks terrible in real life, they all look like lumpy inflated balloons
I think that's a big difference. Lots of surgery these days are for cameras not real life. I feel like my face is the opposite absolutely horrible in 2D (on camera) but when you see in real life in 3D I look fine. So much of what beauty is has moved to being online. Because a camera takes a 3D image and makes it 2D it does cause change (think a flat map Vs a globe) but we see this change as omg I'm ugly and not just the nature of cameras
i completely agree. i hate the filler in lips the most, dont get me wrong big lips look great but usually not unnatural ones.
it's the uncanny valley
I am 22 and when I was 20 I got my third nipple removed at a plastic surgery place. I don't regret it and I fully admit it was because I didn't want people to see it. My issue with plastic surgery is the "doing it for myself' narrative because it is simply not true and the people who use it are in denial. If we existed in a societiless world (impossible but think theoretically), where there were no euro centric beauty standards or any beauty standards for that matter, plastic surgery wouldn't exist. It's also not a feminist act like some people paint it. I've heard the argument that "well why do lesbians get plastic surgery if they don't want to please men" and regardless of sexuality women are still under the patriarchy. The inverse to that too is that men also get plastic surgery. It's weird because people will applaud celebrities for being transparent about there plastic surgery (which I think is a good thing because it shows that we can't live up to standards if they aren't natural) but when said women (mostly) get older and the plastic surgery becomes "noticeable" and bad looking, we then shame them. I agree with your statement and I finally found a way to articulate my argument. I don't shame individual people for getting plastic surgery, I hate the system that made them feel that way. I am still young and I am sure I will feel different when I see signs of aging on my body, but I want to look like my grandmother. She was beautiful young and old and I would never want to NOT look like her. Great video!
This makes me want to revisit a YA book series I read in middle school, "The Uglies". It really stuck with me how all of puberty was just waiting to be old enough to redesign their face to be a "Pretty ". The most rebellious thing that anyone could do in that world was to age, and it seems to be the case in this world too.
If you notice it, everyone talks about the before and after of cosmetic surgery but you almost never see the in between, the healing, the pain, the bruising, the complications.
As I read somewhere, "Imagine if all people felt good in their skin and confident, how many businesses would go bunkrupt"
ngl it’s really nice to hear someone with the same opinion as me talk about this topic. i don’t care what people do with their money at all. however when you talk about cosmetic surgery you can’t just encourage it blindly under the guise of “girl power” when the history behind it is so NOT girl power lmao. a question i’d have for people wanting to get cosmetic surgery is “why do you think that feature is considered beautiful?” because the answer is usually that they’ve been TOLD it’s beautiful or their features aren’t ‘trendy’ right now. idk just some thoughts lol!
exactly, "choice" feminism is destroying critical thinking
I had a straight nose in my early twenties, no idea why it's crooked now in my late twenties, would love to get that fixed. I have scarring around my lips from herpes every season, so would like that tattooed, but even these would open the door to plastic surgery obsession
I plan to get cosmetic surgery but I don't believe the feature I want is widely considered beautiful. It's simply how I prefer to express myself.
yess exactly and likr people think we live a vacuum or smth as if we don’t live our entire lives being force fed ideals of beauty that only fit a small percentage of people, as if there aren’t billion dollars industries that live off people’s insecurities, that THEY created, and the way all these patriarchal ideas are being repackaged and sold as feminism is disheartening because so many young women are buying into this shit and that’s scary because if feels like we will never move away from this
True! There's also the question of why do you hate said feature that you have. I saw a TikTok of a girl talking about how she used to always hate her nose, until she realized it was her grandpa's nose, and his side of the family's nose type, and it gave her some perspective of how beauty standards of the NOW were causing her to resent the features her family naturally had. Kind of an interesting perspective.
I love your shirt, it’s very simple but cute🙂 I also love how comprehensive your videos are. I appreciate how you include arguments on both sides and truly to great research!
So, I’m late to the game, but I had a boyfriend tell me 20+ years ago that I would be the perfect woman if I got a boob job. I told him that I think we’d be better friends. He quickly backtracked, saying, that I had it wrong…. He would pay for it. I smiled and looked at him and told him again that I think we should just be friends. I was flat chested most of my life, and had always felt lucky because all the women in my family are huge. They’re always complaining about bras, the weight, the constant inconvenience. I still stand by my decision.
I got plastic surgery when I was 18. Specifically breast implants because I had triple A size breasts. I regret it SO MUCH. As I got older I realized how graceful and beautiful my natural body was, and how every body has a 'flow' to it that I was able to see once I paid more attention to women I found beautiful in everyday life. If anyone is reading this and considering plastic surgery, at the very least please wait until you're older than 18 even if you are mature for your age.
And I as somebody with DD/E cup boobs can see smaller boobs becoming more trendy. The grass is greener on the other side!
I’m really busty and I wish i had your body type I’m sorry you regret your decision
@@kiks4757 smaller chest may become trend, but the acceptance does not (and I doubt it will ever) include flat chest. Women with an F cup are not dreaming for a tripple A. Women with a flat chest (which, by the way internet, is not a round, bouncing B cup) don't crave for a D+ cup. There is a perception of the ideal breast size that ranges somewhere in the middle, and leaves no place for acceptance for anything in the left or right side of the scale.
And it's not just a matter of acceptance or the need/ pressure to look sexy. I think that for one, the struggle to find clothes that are comfortable, fit and look good for women of bigger/smaller breast size is a very real thing. Decent thrift shops and inclusive brands are not an option for everyone.
I am a 34AA, and live in a country where no store sells below the A cup. A cups are very rare, only found on bralettes, and the only available option is the 32A-which I am not. Online shopping options are very limited, sell brands that we already have and have great shipping costs. The tailoring tradition is practically forgotten. The only time in my life that I wore something that fit, was a Victoria's Secret bralette that a friend bought for me while on a trip. So there is a range of breast size (as well as body shape and size in general) where the grass is objectivly quite green. That's because these sizes are supported by public image, social media, general perception and clothing industry.
This rant was based on my personal experience, but I've spoken with enough women that are on the large breast size scale to know that they face the same issue (and others issues too)
So as much as I have come to accept my body and try to find ways to make it look good, it would have been quite nice to be born with a more norm-conforming body.
@@aprilbeson2073 tell me about it, most women don't even wear the right bra sizes or types. Bra companies only run with generic sizes and it sucks for many women. I'm an adult but my Asian genes made me so that I can only wear band size 30 or below as anything above that is lose as fk like am I supposed to get a rib expansion surgery now?????? Bra companies really don't care enough to cater to women despite their advertisements saying so, and those that do are usually online but just not affordable thanks to shipping costs costing more than the bra itself sigh.
@@wheretao6960 I'd like to know why women who do not need the support of bras worry so much about wearing bras? bras were made to lift and hold-in large and heavy breasts. Mine are large and heavy, if they were small and perky, i would never wear a bra, i'd wear like, a form-fitting crop-top under my clothes tho flatten my nips a bit in case it gets chilly, but that's about it. Why do small-breasted women stress about the subject of bras it's completely unnecessary. I can't even find a supportive bra, i'm gonna buy a chest-binder a size or two too big and see if that works.
"people can do what they want, but let's not pretend here" is the best way to close this video. Thank you for making this even though you were worried about backlash, I appreciate the bravery it took to talk publicly about this.
To me (22) I grew up in a world where older people attempt to look younger but in my opinion the "plastic look" is the new wrinkles and shows their age way more then wrinkles would
I feel like plastic surgery can become a never ending blackhole bc striving for perfection means you're going to notice every little detail and feel like everything is unbalanced the more work you get done
Mmmm, shut up)
Personally I cringe at the term "mommy makeover". Like there's so much pressure on women to look the same after having a baby as they did before but like its a traumatic experience for your body. Like I think it involves a "tummy tuck" and a "boob lift" and maybe some other stuff like liposuction but it's major surgery with a heavy recovery period. WHY do they give it such nauseatingly cutesy infantalising / patronizing names. As though someone who's given birth to a kid or three and is willing to suffer through the surgery, recovery, and financial implications (while presumably doing parent duties), might not be able to deal with the scientific name.
It's honestly disgusting, the fact that society shames women's bodies who went through pregnancy is so fucked up. Like your body went through so much during the pregnancy, birth and after, only to get shamed for how your body looks, when it should be celebrated - your body did all of that.
I mean the shaming was also there before the mommy make over existed. The plastic surgery is the solution for the problem society made. In the past women were shamed when their bodies weren't as small and "beautiful" as they were before pregnancy.
I don't believe people should be shamed if they don't confirm to the beauty standard or if they are not conventionally atractive (this two are not the same), on the other hand is difficult to not pick on how some people get praised by certain features and you don't or in the case if pregnancy, how you used to be praised and now you are not
This! I saw that a family channel called the Ace family posted a video of the mom getting a “mommy makeover”, and it honestly disgusts me because 90% of their fanbase are little kids. Kids are incredibly gullible and easily influenced, and on top of that she tried to promote it as a part of her “spiritual journey”
My husband's boss's wife had one. It's just a tummy tuck and breast lift.
This video is so important! The problem with "choice feminism" is that it ignores the societal pressures from patriarchy that inform your choices! You're choosing to get Kim Kardashian's butt? Okay but why?? There's no way you would do that without outside pressure! And anyway, empowerment cannot come from individual pleasure, it comes from collective freedom from patriarchy which in no way relates to relocating body fat to look more like a celeb lol
Liberal feminism cant even be considered feminism anymore. "Its important to look pretty 🥰 feeling sexy is so empowering 😍✨" Like women no, stop
Honestly yas. Double time yas. If choice feminism would have existed in ancient china, these "feminists" would have claimed "oh footbinding is so empowering, i do this for myself, i chose this etc"
I'm almost crying because you are the first ones to talk about this. Any other feminists i found here are all "empowerring yass slay queen make that butt bigger for onlyfans"
Exactly ! I agree 100%
"empowerment cannot come from individual pleasure"... i dont know whybi needed to hear this phrased like that but its really got my head turning
Wasn't expecting a radical comment on a video essay
Just wanted to let you know that this video has resonated with me so deeply that I decided to write one of my collegiate synthesis essays on this and reference your work! Thank you so much for sharing your passions with us so wonderfully and continuing real intellectual conversations with others, you are an inspiration to me. Your work is commendable. Thank you.
ur one of my fav youtubers and i love that you’re talking abt this! I used to want to be a plastic surgeon & wanted to get it for myself but I changed my mind when I realized how damaging the whole concept is.
As a 42yo gay man I can’t tell you how intense the pressure is to get procedures. What you were describing about the ordinary becoming ugly is an intense aspect of gay male culture these days. It’s so common for gay men to have had procedures that in some social situations you actually feel like a freak if you haven’t. Like I’ve often been the only guy in large social gathering with no work done. If you add in the pressure to gave the perfect muscled body and near requirement that you be taking steroids to achieve that on top of being immaculately dressed, coifed and just generally presenting as some kind of ubermensch perfect specimen at all times… well yeah late capitalist consumerism’s repackaging of the white beauty norm really got the gays. It’s intense.
So interesting! Thanks for sharing :)
Im a dancer and I don’t fully understand how it feels to be a man or gay but I can relate to everyone in my social group having MUlTIPLE surgeries and feeling ostracized and left out for not having it. In the locker room woman casually talk about getting Botox or filler and I’m like 😳 just overhearing the conversation. Even talking to customers they casually talk about how they can tell I’m a newbie because I haven’t got my body done “yet”. Also my dancer friends will unprovoked send me their plastic surgeons Instagram and invite me to go with them 🥴😭.
@@hadiyahmuh385 yeah I have very similar experiences of friends commenting about how I should get my lips done, or get "on cycle" to get more muscular or unsubtly raving about a procedure they have had suggesting basically I should get it too. I'm not even that self conscious. I have a normal amount of hangups about my appearance for a gay guy. And I certainly don't judge anyone for getting work done. I may even get some myself eventually if I actually feel like I need it. But what I won't do is get it just to fit in.
@GAY RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS oh there’s aging and there’s aging with the gays though. Like you’re allowed to age but only if you also become hotter, so where being pretty when you were young was considered valuable now you have to transition into some hyper masculine “daddy” archetype with all that entails. So you can age, but only in a very specific way. I know guys who had a lot of work done to their chins and brows to give them heavier more masculinised features, as well as getting filler to increase the overall fullness of the face which matches the super pumped bodies we’re expected to obtain as we get older. Hair transplants are super common too now.
I'm gay too... But I'm still planning on having surgery.
I think it’s problematic how normalized plastic surgery has become; it’s not normal to surgically change your features purely for “beauty” aesthetics and the procedure shouldn’t be marketed as empowering. It’s worrisome that a lot of people feel the need to go through dangerous procedures to fit the ever-changing beauty standard . Also, it makes me uncomfortable how plastic surgery allows white people to adopt ethnic features that people of color used to get brutally bullied about (e.g. big lips, big butts, etc.).
I’m against plastic surgery shaming and think people should do what makes them happy! I just think it’s really sad that society has created the circumstances for people to want cosmetic surgery, and I question if it does actually produce true happiness or if it’s simply a temporary fix. There is a lot of white supremacy, exploitation, and ageism at hand and I just wish that were addressed more in the industry
Agree! I think instead of shaming people who has had plastic surgery, we all should help them to see that's not the correct way to improve yourself and your self-esteem, there's always a better way!
This it is !!!you just wrote all my problems about plastic surgery I agree entirely
I honestly agree with you except... white people have these features too y' know? Its not just colored people, and although its more common among us its still bad to push this stereotype
@@itsbaby3300 oh ya for sure! I wanted to include that point but my comment would’ve been too long😭 i just wanted to highlight how white people get praised for having these features while POC, for example black woman, get hated for them. Especially since these were features exaggerated in the Jim Crow era ( the racist caricature specifically made fun of black people’s big lips) . I think the context of these features on white people vs POC is different if that makes sense!
@@heyitsa9511 i dont really know tbh, i have no idea how things are in the states but personally i dont think its "white people"s fault for the mistreatment of colored folks, its not anyone's fault to be born light skin into a first world country and i can safely say colored people go through so much worse in 2nd and 3rd world countries, just like pale people and everyone in between
This is one of the most nuanced videos I've seen on this topic. So well researched and informed. It's really appreciated that you're bringing the societal and medical issues to the fore, and I loved the discussion on aging. Also I LOVE your sweater so much!!
You’re just ADORABLE!! Loved your conversation about plastic surgery! You hit this subject RIGHT ON! More PLEASE! Love the lipstick color ! You’re just PRECIOUS! 💋
In South Korea, “prejuvenation” is a status symbol. Constant massages, facials, and lasers over the years without doing surgical procedures (maybe a the occasional filler/Botox….but very minimal) actually costs more than getting surgery done. In a sense, they view a woman who looks good and hasn’t done any surgical procedures almost of higher value than a woman who looks good with procedures…almost in a weirdly eugenic-y/genetic value sense.
In every part of the world there is that eugenics mentality, sadly.
@@eldron29-a54 I think some of it stems from a primitive survival of the fittest mentality that used to actually matter but those standards have been twisted and warped…although all of it stems from desirable genetics/reproduction…which makes me wonder if these problems will ever truly go away (I’m guessing they’ll just take different forms as time passes)
@@rp-wn5or if it’s a way to survive I guess but still should be stopped
@@mariachi3217 by survive I mean reproduce aka be sexually desired lol unless sex disappears I don’t think it’ll completely go away
Ageing 'gracefully' shows personality.
Like, how can you hate it when your face shows that you're no stranger to smiling, or thinking, or feeling.
But then again maybe the people that feel the need to hide their age aren't too proud of those years.
Mina’s research over the topics she talks about never disappoints
Watching this video really talked me out of some procedures I've contemplated getting. You really put into perspective that beauty trends are really trends that come and go, and I don't want to permanently (or temporarily compromise my body) for a trend. I'm also slowly accepting how I naturally look and trying to learn to feel beautiful in my own skin rather than strive for beautiful.
Thank you for this. I'm trying to hard to be supportive of my friends for their choices, but I have so many feelings!
The same people that say "plastic surgery is empowering for women" are the same people that say "the porn industry is empowering for women" Neither are empowering for women. Only creating a false sense of security and a new set of shackles.
Spoken like someone who made different decisions and can’t understand why anyone would decide differently. First, if you ever wear makeup or try to dress and look nice, you are finding some sense of empowerment in your looks. If cosmetic procedures were the cost of a tube of lipstick, no one would complain. Second, not everyone who gets plastic procedures does so for others. My body was ravaged by years of major surgeries, and I ended up having “cosmetic” work done. Yes, quotes. In helping undo some of the severe scarring, excess skin (one medication made me gain hundreds of pounds that I lost), and general rebalancing, I reclaimed my body from an illness and this boosted my mental health and confidence. Anyone who thinks they have a right to tell me shit like “you should love your body for your battle scars” deserves to go through medical hell and be disfigured because everyone deserves what they think isn’t a big deal. If you get offended by that, it’s because you know it IS a big deal.
We can’t accept makeup, hair dye, piercings, and tattoos as empowering if we’re going to shame other body mods. The dividing line tends to be cost. If not everyone can reasonably afford it in a few months, we act like no one should do a thing. We should shame society putting pressure on people in any way, not people who decide for themselves what they want to do with their bodies. Body-shaming people for getting work done is still body-shaming, and it results in people who have a feature naturally being accused of lying and being shamed, and it sends the message to impressionable young people that there still is a look they need to aim for, and that look is whatever isn’t trendy.
And when it comes to anything porn, why don’t you just say it-you think women need to be chaste little good girls instead of taking charge of our own sexuality. I’ve found OnlyFans and such to be very liberating. My husband and our daughter know I do it and they support women doing what we want with our own bodies since marriage and motherhood don’t mean not owning out own bodies anymore. You are literally trying to oppress me by trying to shame me for making a decision about my body that you don’t agree with. Next thing I know, you’ll come out as anti-choice or something.
no it's not the same thing...porn industry is problematic but taking charge of your own sexuality can definitely be liberating for women🤨
No it’s not the same thing. At all. Maybe open a book.
Yikes 😬 intersectional feminism maybe you should read about it!
it's so hard to see people fool themselves into thinking that their choice of plastic surgery is utterly their own, and not at all affected by outside influences and strict perceptions of beauty in this society..like once you see that it really is impossible to unsee it. and it really can apply to the beauty industry as a whole, makeup and fashion ect
Unfortunately all of our insecurities are caused by different societal standards. It's so sad to think that making people feel like shit about themselves is a billion dollar industry.
I’ve only found out as an adult that I’m autistic and I’m just coming to terms with how much sensory distress I’m under on the daily. Anyway, I started only wearing clothes that are comfortable and a nice sensory experience. Those are my top priorities above style, and damn it’s been so freeing
Just because it is affected by outside forces does not mean it is not your own. My language and culture come from society, and they are still a part of me. You can't extricate your identity from the environment you live in. And besides, not everybody gets cosmetic surgery to conform to beauty standards. I certainly am not.
I’m just tired of spending time wanting to look like someone else. As young women this idea is plugged in our heads so early I know many of us have battled it our whole lives I wish more people didn’t turn to cosmetic surgery for a solution or internal reward
I love your video essays! I refuse to be burdened by unrealistic beauty standards.
I just think it so sad how women are taught to fear growing older like the plague. That we start expiring at 25. I mean older women are still STUNNING. There is something so beautiful about acquiring wrinkles. The way I look at it, It means you have had the privilege to age. Some people don’t get to live so long. Don’t we all want to continue growing and evolving? Why are we trying to stop our evolution and keep ourselves frozen as our teenager or 20 something selves? It’s insane.
Hopefully it calms down at some point and society learns to appreciate older women. Maybe because there won’t be so many women looking “older” in the future (I think I have no idea), that will be the new beauty standard. Of course I think it will always fluctuate to what we can’t have, but some people are just going to choose to age, and remain without surgery, and those are probably going to benefit from that!
On top of that, would they like to start dying at 30? Would they like to "expire" at 25? Would they like only 25 years to live? Would they like to only live to see 30 and then one day they die in their sleep? Every single birthday that you are older should celebrated, these people need to learn that every year you get older that is a year that you have been blessed to live another day, to see the sun rise and learn as you get older, to have chance to keep on growing, to keep on learning, and to learn from your mistakes and heal yourself if there is anything that needs to be healed. If you get to live till 100 that is AMAZING, a lot of people do understand and agree with this, but there are many that don't see getting old as a privilege, that getting old is a fate worse than death itself. But I'm like "Honey your old, your still breathing, your still walking, you get to keep on experiencing and learning shit, unless you'd like to die right now by wishing you never grow older thus shortening your own life" because that's what the hell that sounds like
Wrinkles indicate you've smiled, you've emoted, you've lived life. That's the thing. Wrinkles aren't a bad thing, in fact, they're some peoples trademark and they wouldn't look the same without them. Same thing with eyebags, or deep set eyes, or chubby cheeks, or cheek lines. That's why it's so sad to see the erasure of natural smile and eyes lines, people are so gorgeous when they are expressive and able to emote and to rob themselves of their ability to do it is like robbing them of their physical signs of humanity. Turns them into lifeless blowup dolls
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My number one advice to everyone but especially teenage girls is to unfollow every single influencer and model you follow, and keep your socials exclusively for pursuit of hobbies and inspiration/education. For some reason as a teenager I was convinced following 'pretty people' would somehow make me prettier too, like proximity to beauty equates to beauty. This goes for channels like Hyram too. Nothing progressive about a man reacting in horror to women who aren't preventing aging correctly..
Hyram gpt me fd up
I actually dont think this is good advice in the long term. There will always be people that are better than you and prettier than you in real life that you will time and time again compare yourself to, because the same holds true to both social media and irl, you dont know the story behind the look or body. It night be a good detox and way to START but at the end of the day what is most important os fixing your mindset. Im not on like instagram or twitter alot but im very active on youtube where i follow many beauty orientated youtubers that usually represent the epitome of beauty standards/aka theyre pretty. Being confident in myself is that they dont make me feel any less than as a human being. If on occasion its definitely not anymore than when i see a pretty person on the street
@@vanillarose2907 The reason the vast majority of young women feel insecure isn't because they need to 'fix their mindset' it's because there is a multi-billion industry that profits from their insecurities. Or do you think women are just naturally more self-critical than men. If you want to have a social media feed saturated with images of manufactured beauty its you choice but you don't need to defend an industry that certainly doesn't care about you.
@@rachelurquhart6686 whos defending it sis? I just said that is not a long term solution. It is only a way to start
@@vanillarose2907 I agree with you. Though I do acknowledge how the influence now in teenage girls is worse than ever. It will always be mixed in with their already existing self-esteem and self-image. I'm almost 26, at 16 I was still in the peak of being very insecure with low self esteem, just from my own upbringing (not the internet). But Instagram wasnt what it was back then; I was just veery into kpop and unwillingly became even more insecure that I already was, learning about South Korea's rigorous beauty standards affected me.
Following body positivity content creators (especially on instagram) has helped a lot in my self-acceptance journey, as well as just good coping strategies, positive affirmations, and all those things that therapy teach. At the end I naturally distanced myself from kpop and people that fed on my insecurity, but once I got better on a personal level I can enjoy a bit of everything. I dont mind that my feed has some conventional beautiful people (of any gender) edited for cosplay shoots/aesthetics/lewd, but I also need body positive ones, artistic ones, comics, quotes, other photography, kpop dance videos, and anything else I might enjoy. It really is a complicated and nuanced subject, but again I do acknowledge that living as a teenager in today's world is probably a lot worse, and it shouldn't be.
I was fat for most of my teenage years, in my 20s I lost the weight (like 10kg) and it was incredible! People treated me differently! I didn't know was like that, like soooo different, but it is! And of course every person I met tells me I looked so much better! I'm no longer as thin as I was, but boy I would do anything to be that thin again because I wanna be treat like that again.
I had the opposite issue; was skinny in my teen years and gained weight in my 20s. I couldn't understand why I was losing friends and why my boyfriend at the time was comparing me to really skinny women and wanted me to work out. I was on stimulants from 8-18 (stopped them due to side effects), and I sometimes want to get back on them just to be skinny again (common side effect is appetite suppression).
Ethical doctors who do Injectibles will never suggest what to improve, they only ask what YOU want to improve. If they start suggesting other things are wrong with you, leave