@@maverickbull1909 Every body is a trend but I truly believe that the bbl will stay, but it will be more conservative. Like the skinny bbl it's not obvious and many celebrities had it done.
i'm suprised that kpop skinny culture is not involved in this video, kpop has reached a lot of platforms all through out the world and being skinny is always a topic in the industry of kpop. it may also been contributing why h-chic is going back since Y2K themed outfits are in in kpop last year
Omg yes!! Being a kpop fan when I was young and going through puberty sent me straight into an ED. I think the international fame of kpop and super skinny celebs like pretty much all of Blackpink definitely helped bring the resurgence of the heroin chic/super skinny look
Lol, kpop is the reason why nowadays hollywood celebrities also becoming obsessed with thin body, all the time everyone prefer thin people over curvy people, but kpop brings more obsession with thinness.
Yeah I agree, but in a negative way being a kpop fan helped me, I was at the verge of being obese, started getting into kpop and am in the process of losing weight, I don't think it's an Ed or anything, but now I eat only when I'm hungry it might seem like starving but I have so much energy now, and it helps me not over eat, but not eat too little when I do eat
The thin never left. It has always been the most sought out for body shape. How much fat you CAN have varies over time, but being super thin has always been a valid option. Other body shapes have not.
Sorry but skinny and fat are not body shapes . It’s not the correct word because body shape refers to the literal shape of your body (hourglass, apple, rectangle, etc) you can be fat or skinny and still have the same body SHAPE.
being skinny is not a body shape. hourglass, rectangle, triangle are body shapes. your body shape generally doesn't change no matter how much weight you gain or lose. it just determines where you are more likely to carry fat if you gain it.
I was a teen in the 90s. People weren’t doing the drugs because of the fashion industry. It’s so much deeper than that. The fashion was following the angsty music culture… and the angsty music was mirroring the angst everyone felt.
This! How many popular artists from the grunge era are still alive today? It started with the death of Andrew Wood of Mother Love Bone and didnt end for another 20 years, until it took Chris Cornell from us. 😥
@@MaliciousMalcontent Seattle had a serious heroin problem at the time. That wasnt manufactured by a recordy company exec, it was real and killed many people. The execs just jumped on the bandwagon, exploited the scene and started signing third rate copycat artists like Bush.
Same. I’m a Xennial and none of us were pouring over Vogue. However, we were being raised by baby boomers who never dealt with their problems. We also had some heavy stuff happen like Columbine (happened the year before I entered high school). It was also the rise of the 24 hour news cycle, which I don’t think is good for anyone’s mental health.
For me, the "grunge" fashion and alternative music just had the feeling of "cool.' Because that was the idiom of the time. Also, there's a good argument that the "angst" and the "grunge" (in fashion, music, etc.) was really sold to us, we didn't create it. I honestly feel a lot more angsty and pessimistic about the world now, lol. Finally, I was never aware of "heroine chic" or body trends back then. I was inculcated with the ideal of thinness more from my mom and specific people around me, who had learned the same (I think the white "thin" ideal goes back to the 1920s or so).
i was praised most for my body when i could barely eat one meal per day bc i was on adhd rugs, with severe anxiety. i couldn't stay awake, i constantly dissociated, and i was frequently told i had gotten sooooo beautiful... good food definitely tastes better than skinny feels my dudes.
depends if the "skinny" is achieved in a healthy manner or not. hearing that expression as a food addict in recovery, i would have to agree with it. when food is your drug of choice, being healthy still feels better than your drug will ever make you feel. you can be healthy and skinny. can't believe i'm pointing out something so obvious but i think the media has warped our perception of health.
@@skrittle555 it's almost as if people shouldn't comment on other people's weight/weight change in general, especially while linking it to their beauty. that shit creates a complex.
@@skrittle555 also i'm still skinny i'm talking about when i was starving and could almost count all my ribs. it's not like i'm saying being skinny in any way is completely unhealthy? but a supermodel saying skinny feels better than any food tastes? she's talking about starving yourself
@@electriksheep1508 i mean, it depends on the individual person and where they are with their disordered eating. i WISH someone had called me out for gaining 100+ lbs. they were all too afraid to offend me and i had to suffer a stroke before i woke up. personally i can't wait until being mentally and physically healthy becomes "on trend." i'm so sick of all of this fake woke lying to yourself and feeding your eating disorder shit, on both ends of the weight spectrum. but your original comment that food tastes better than skinny feels is based on YOUR experience with being skinny and YOUR experience with eating. it's more subjective than that. and i'm sorry but for me, being fit does feel a hell of a lot better than stuffing my face with addictive processed foods. there has to be a balance and that's what a lot of ED discourse is lacking. moderation is the key to ED recovery, not excess in the other direction. then you're not really recovered. you just swapped your ED for another one.
not all “whisper girls” are toxic! there is def a part of the community that’s cool and unproblematic. but yes at the same time, just like almost any group/fan base/etc, there’s a super toxic side that romanticizes ed’s and drug use and whatever
I really hate the idea of "trending bodies" but it's hard for someone like me to not fall into a hole like this where your body type is never glamorized or seen as beautiful. I try to stay away from media that glamorizes skinniness achieved by unhealthy habits, but it gets harder & harder istg.
@@Imxel21 it's getting harder and harder to ignore trends because the algorithms on social media feed us this stuf 24/7 7 days a week now, it was never this bad before your mind wont get a break as long as you use the internet and we all have to now for workand school.
if you're even slightly overweight, you know that skinny has never gone out of style and you're reminded of it every single minute of your life. I'm at my heaviest after covid and finding clothes that not only fit me well but also ones that I like has been near impossible, even from brands that push "body positivity". Sometimes it genuinely makes me want to jump off a bridge.
I have to shop for clothes now and then. And nothing, no other shopping experience, makes me need to curl up into a ball for a while and fight off my ed thoughts
Omg I feel the same. I went on birth control and gained a lot of weight and I cry when the biggest size in the fast fashion brands don't fit me. It's so hard to find pants especially! Losing weight is so hard too
Stop complaining about it and make a change. I went from 5'4" 198lb to 128lb through consistent diet and exercise. Coming onto UA-cam and ranting instead of being proactive and taking the steps to change your life is what is holding you back. You've got this!!
@@bootdownthedoor how about you mind your own business. I was simply sharing a common frustration. Also, how do you know I’m not working on it?? Why do you just assume? Keep your ignorant commentary to yourself, it’s not helpful.
It's the influencers. Influencers are normal people once they acheive the body they wanted which most of them desire to have a slim thick body through hook or by crook, they show it off online such as in tiktok, Through trends such as small waist check or small nose check.
This video makes me both sad and angry. I was a young teenager in the early 2000s. In junior high I was a size 6 and convinced I was fat from comparing myself to the models and socialites in pop culture. We all did it. It was ridiculous. And took me literally decades to overcome that self hatred.
@@Tsuki04wolf Size 6 on a woman who is 5'10"" like Anne Hathaway is like a size 2 for ladies that are 5'4"". I didn't think she looked fat at all, but I did think that her pre-makeover look just needed a good iron and a hair-brush.
I was a young teenager in the early 2000s and stick thin. I was mocked ruthlessly in the predominantly Hispanic city I grew up in. I remember being confused at all the skinny and pale people on magazine covers. It gave me weird body dysmorphia to make that make sense: I must be truly hideous and disfigured and incorrect in my comparison because my community had pecked at me like a runt they wanted to die off. I get that this is triggering right now. But all "body weight trends" are toxic AF. You might fit it perfectly, like me, and everything is still trash
I was a teenager in the 2010s and thick or slim thick was in. I felt just like you because I thin when it wasn’t in. Now it seems to be dying down. These body trends are ridiculous.
I recovered from my ED using weightlifting (because if you wanna lift heavy, you gotta eat *a lot*) and I gotta say, it’s really interesting to watch what (mainly) women at my gym come in to “work on.” It went from cardio only to some pretty intense leg days and now cardio is coming back in a big way. I’ve also noticed comments on the way I look changing this past year. I’ve got some pretty beefy muscles and used to get a lot of praise, but now it’s veering more toward commenting on how “big” I am. And I know this is not comparable to the struggle of fat women (and I take “big” as a compliment) but it is a shame that even a body like mine that I’ve built truly focused on strength isn’t seen as desirable. It’s also a shame that so much weight training content for women is focused on fat loss…it should be about getting stronger!
That's interesting. In my gym (I'm from England) the women are still VERY MUCH lifting weights. I seldom notice women doing cardio and not touching any weights.
I hope this kind of comment won't make you feel uncomfortable as it's not my intention, but as a bi girl I find toned and muscular girls cool looking, I think that it's just cool seeing someone putting that much effort on working on their bodies and being healthy in a way of letting your body to grow in muscle
I used to be a solid brick unit in school. I had comments of how big and fat I was. I benched 120+ and leg press was maxed at 345. I ranged 125-135 so I wasn’t overweight at all. I developed an eating disorder and am still working on recovery after over 20 years of suffering in it. I still want to be super thin and being healthy is super hard because I will never forget the things said to me. Being strong isn’t ideal anymore. It was a brief moment in time a few years back..and it pisses me off.
Ngl, as someone who's currently working towards getting muscular in a way to recover from an ED, I actually could not care less if people think I look too masculine or big. I like androgyny, I don't care if people are so pathetic they have to project their own insecurities onto me, I wanna be strong and also look it. I got bullied for years for being fat until I got skinny, and all it taught me was that people suck and they shouldn't dictate how I feel about myself.
As a young person who is not either slim thick nor 2000’s/1990’s skinny (I have a pear shaped body) I find both trends bring out my insecurities, and both have been damaging to my mental health. I’ll never have the breast without implants to be seen slim thick, I find the hour glass shape so unachievable. At the same rate, I can’t imagine myself being so so skinny in the waist (that one body check tiktok u should really made me feel sick) without going threw unhealthy stuff to achieve it. I’m glad I really filter out my feed to not show me things I’d be insecure about
I have an hourglass shape, and my sister is a pear. It's funny, I've always been jealous of that body type. I think it's really lovely and soft. I also notice that as hourglasses get thinner, the hips look narrower. Just my preference, though. The greener grass for someone isn't green enough for someone else haha
Although I hate body trends, I’ve been kinda waiting for pear shaped bodies to become the “it” body Idk something about y’all just gives the vibes of one of those baroque paintings or smth Whatever you do just make sure to stay off social media from time to time and appreciate your body as is!❤and remember that just cause it’s not represented by the mainstream doesn’t mean it’s not adored!!
OP, that's a great idea to filter out that junk. Also - and surely you know this - but remember that most people use Photoshop and video versions of it to look thinner, hide skin "imperfections", etc. (The bigger the fame, the more they do this. Nerd City's "Thot Patrol" one on Lele Pons described it better - and it was kinda funny. And also not misogynistic in spite of the name [which seems to be a joke].) Cheers from another pear, and stay strong! ❤︎
Its honestly exhausting being pear shaped with thicker thighs/legs. Especially if you want to wear boots or thigh high socks. Trousers (unless stretchy) simply don't go past your thighs/hips. I'm a UK size 8/10 but my pear body doesn't fit anything lol
Her hair looks crazy (messy finger waves on top and straightened on the bottom? Should have keep the finger waves throughout) and it looks like a two year old did her eye makeup and her eyebrows are non-existent. Looks like she tried to do a 20s style look and kinda gave up halfway through
Just wanted to add that the medication in the video that are abused by celebrities, to lose weight, are also used to harmonize periods and treat poly cystic ovaries syndrome. Not only are they depriving diabetics of effective medication but they are also removing one of the few treatment options for very painful menstral disorders. Those with menstrl disorders like PCOS have very few options already, maybe three or four, with most medications possibly negatively affecting mood.
That’s very true I work in a pharmacy and there’s actually a huge back order on Ozempic (just recently got our hands on a few). People who really need it for diabetic needs per say can’t have it because so many people are getting it prescribed for things such as “weight loss” and a lot of it is influence from these celebrities. There was a point when it was so bad that we had to call other stores (pharmacies) for a box or two for extremely urgent situations and we prioritized the people who actually needed it because this can affect someone’s health (life). Remember guys it’s insulin meaning some people can die w/o it.
Different perspective here: as a Black girl who was a thin teenager at the HEIGHT of the "slim thick" era, I 100% hated my body because I did not have the hips or boobs. I was bullied in the locker room by classmates and by my own family for being a "string bean", I stuffed myself with peanut butter shakes and had such an excessive and unhealthy workout regimen to attempt to "thicken up" my hip dips. It makes me so sad to think about how I wasn't even giving my body a chance to develop; I was so fixated on looking like an IG Baddie that I almost bought Apetamin to force myself to gain weight. I never felt feminine or sexy enough and I made some...troubling decisions to overcompensate for this insecurity. Yet even with all that, I'll still echo what most are saying here that thin never really went out of fashion. It is always socially acceptable to be thin these days, even though big butts and boobs are in, too. Fatshaming is so pervasive and quite literally humiliates and kills people in ways that skinny shaming does not. There is absolutely privilege in being thin and it's so shitty that women's bodies are even subjected to these fashion cycles in the first place. Just let women exist and make clothes that fit everyone and stop glorifying eating disorders or fad diets or deadly surgeries just so we can feel like we are worthy. I'm sending much love to all women struggling with their body image at this time: you're beautiful, you're loved, you're sexy, you're incredible and wonderful. A good body is a healthy body in whatever way that looks or feels like for you.
Trying to fit everyone into “conventional” sizes is the issue. Clothes should be made for the body not vice versa. Women’s clothing never really accommodates anything that isn’t a straight narrow frame. Even in my skinnier days, I couldn’t find clothing to accommodate my shoulders and torso equally. My best advice is learn to sew or make friends with a tailor.
I agree, knowing how to sew and alter clothes helps so much. In the early 2000’s when I was in high school, the trend was very slim fitted shirts. My issue was having a thin frame, but a larger chest. So all of my shirts fit awkwardly. I started buying one size up and altered it myself.
I mean not everything CAN fit everyone. It makes sense for companies to accommodate (mainly) the majority. Everyone’s bodies are just so different. It would be impossible to accommodate them all
this is what bothers me about universal sizing so often. They jus add extra numbers to the patters, rather than reshaping the pattern to fit bigger bodies. I think we should all be aware that the way clothes hang off of smaller and bigger people is vastly different, so the patterned need to be changed to accommodate that and have the correct silhouette. Considering over half of americans are overweight I truly dont understand how few plus sized clothing brands there are. It's crazy. I deserve cute clothes too, just cause I'm fat doesn't mean I'm not cute!
@@chidiogoikeh4550 except they're not. Very, VERY few people are shaped the way brands are making clothing. Off the rack clothing only looks the way it does due to a combination of laziness, greed, and discrimination.
Aside from Kim Kardashian's weight loss and the resurgence of Y2K fashion trends, I think that the obsession with Timothée Chalamet (and his "Victorian orphan" look) is another indication that extreme thinness is en vogue.
@@dw9524 oddly enough (from what I have seen) its been the opposite for gay men. The bear body type has been getting super popular since the pandemic. The standard has always been, and still is tbh, super muscular, but this time with a belly instead of abs.
something that you didn't mention at all and i think is REALLY WORTH MENTIONING is the raise of east asian beauty standards. kpop/ idols diet challenge, trends in china / korea japan such as the paper thin waist challenge are also having a huge influence internationnaly, and needs to be looked into. lets just not have an all western look at this matter.
I don’t think the Asian body type is going to leak into the US because we have diverse people here and not everybody wants should be skinny, and some of us are very secure and not insecure
@@mariama9037 I am personally not from the US, so I'm not looking at all perspectives through an all USA prism at all times, but I'm glad you guys are holding on.
@@mariama9037 It has due to the influence of Kpop. Just youtube kpop diet and there are various people doing these diets of different ethnicities; in English.
As a dietitian who often deals with ED in practice, you also need to remember that up until recently, many doctors would not actually diagnose ED unless there was anorexia and/or purging involved. Body dysmorphia and compensatory eating behaviours were overlooked or even encouraged in people who were categorised as overweight even in the medical community (sometimes seen as normal in those categorised as healthy and underweight too). The current discourse around ED is more aware of these things, which probably has had an impact on increasing ED diagnoses.
Even now, I have friends whose doctors refuse to diagnose them with bulimia because they are overweight. The behavior is there but they aren't emaciated, so apparently they don't have a disorder?
THIS I used to purge a lot a few years ago (sometimes I relapse but not as bad as I used to) and because I’m not skinny and have a bit of a belly, everyone especially professionals would dismiss it. I still had/have crippling body dysmorphia but I wasn’t skinny enough to be taken seriously
I work as a phone counselor at a college peer mental health hotline, and it's true-the dietician who did our training passed around sheets on how to recognize eating disorders that said, of a hypothetical patient "she has a preoccupation with being overweight when she is actually thin". Flashback to two weeks before that training, and I was reading an article about fat patients nearly dying from eating disorders, and after she left I opened my phone to find more videos of gym guys on "bulk/cut" cycles (some clearly describing binging/restriction). Like, clinicians can recognize "it's not about the food, it's about your reaction to it" until the food is protein shake peanut butter binges followed by zyns starvation "cuts", or they'll know "it's not about what your body actually looks like," until your body is fat. People are so much more likely to get noticed for their disordered eating when they're skinny white girls with coke zero eating disorders, and nobody notices the people struggling from the exact same physical and psychological effects when they're actually fat or male.
Rich people taking medication from people who actually need it to save their lives, just so they can be skinny is so dystopian. It honestly sounds like a plot from black mirror or something that would be satirized in a Knives Out movie.
I can’t imagine being a patient who needs those medicines and being unable to get them because of a trend. I was in recovery for 10 years but recently relapsed and joined an Ana group. It’s so miserable and I truly hope that teens decide to stay away from a lifestyle that makes your days so miserable, difficult and painful. I know that a lot of EDs are the result of a combination of factors such as low self esteem but trust me, disgracing and mistreating your body and mind isn’t worth it.
I'm sorry you are struggling again. I was anorexic as a teen but have been in remission for almost 20 years. It is miserable and I wouldn't wish this disorder o n anyone. I hope you are able to get well again.
I’m in recovery as well. Had an ED at 12-13, I’m now almost 25 and still struggle but it is getting better. I wish you the best of luck on your journey, love. You are worthy, you are beautiful- it’s always going to be hard work, but I believe in you ❤️
I grew up in the 90s and have been fighting an ED since then, finally started to get treatment in 2021. Im struggling now because of weight gain because of meds from the chronic illness. Seeing this trend again isn’t helping. I really hope teenagers dont see this as a goal.
Organ failure and ED, people always comment on my weight on how I need to gain weight to become more of something they deem better... Im dying very slowly. This is no joke. Hopefully society can find a healthier view on what it is to be human
@@meldan5 I’m so fucking proud of you, EDs are one of the worse because people aren’t sympathetic towards us. “Eat a burger” smh. You are incredibly strong for making it this far love, I believe in you. I’m using fitness to help me eat, and trying to eat more “valuable” calories such as protein and carbs like rice because exercise makes me more hungry. I make foods only I’ll not be able to say no to (seriously try making pho it’s so good and nutritious!) like things with broth and noodles and an egg and veggies so it’s easier to go down than a huge steak and potatoes. It’s hard, but you can do it. It helps that I met a man who loves me and cares that I have an ED and calms me, even if I cry for 3 hours straight because trying on clothes is traumatizing for me. You can do it on your own, however, you are beautiful and worthy. I don’t know you, but I under your struggle and I’m rooting for you 😘 💋
I don’t think this is mass hysteria. Perhaps it’s because I’m Asian living in an Asian household, skinny has never went out of trend. Even when the “slim thick” trend was at it’s peak (2017-2019), my parents and literally everyone around me still treats bone skinny as the “perfect” body type. I truly believe that these body types going in and out of trend type of thing only really exists among influencers and those that are obsessed with them lol.
yeah as an asian also living in asia, the standards definitely differ with different races. i think the standard to be thin has already been so ingrained in us. the 'tiktok trends' that exist online won't change anything much in real life. with relatives constantly commenting about weight and comparing you to others and even other children fat shaming their peers (personal experience lol we love childhood trauma) the standard has ALWAYS been to be skinny. i also feel like kpop has had a part to play in further highlighting this standard
same for me as someone from Rwanda. For some reason, 90% of women have naturally tinny/flat waists, small boobs, and good-sized butts. They have the bbl bodies naturally and it looks way better than the fake one. So, if you don't have that body type, at least you're supposed to be skinny. Anyone in the middle with average weight/not skinny but not slim thick either is completely invisible and too fat. Aunties don't even pretend, they just straight up call you obese even when you weigh like 145 lbs and happen to be 5'8
as someone who is on a lifelong journey recovering from ana, i can confirm that skinny never went away. i think media got caught up in the glamor of curves, but with the exception of still having a flat tummy, no cellulite, a chiseled jawline, etc… however, i have seen the rise of pro-ana posts and communities, the glorification of being thin, and i’ve seen more of my friends fall into EDs over the past two years than i’ve ever seen previously. i personally had to delete all forms of social media in this past year because it’s been immensely triggering. stay safe, stay healthy, check in with yourself, and don’t be afraid to ask for help because support is out there
I mean…I’m skinny (not anorexic skinny. Healthy skinny, but I don’t have the desired curves) and I still get ridiculed for being flat and that I need to eat more (I eat more than my obese father. Literally) I think no matter what body shape you have or what size you are you’ll always be made fun of (ofc some body shapes are made fun of more than others. And yes obese people have it much harder, but people of all shapes and sizes get made fun of too. Society is stupid like that. Way too obsessed with other people’s bodies and faces.
@@ichich1716 oooor maybe it’s the fact that he’s older with a worse metabolism than me, the fact that he eats so unhealthily, that he doesn’t work out, drinks a lot of alcohol 🙄. And maybe I’m skinny after eating all that is because I have a better metabolism, I eat a lot of healthy foods, I’m active, I work out by swimming. Yea makes more sense now doesn’t it?
I was JUST thinking about this yesterday. I’ve been shopping online for a NYE outfit for the past month and everything is made for v skinny bodies. I lived through this trend the first time around (I was born in the 80s) and I felt so excluded from fashion back then bc there’s just is no way my body type works with all crazy low rise stuff and drop waists. Now those trends are back and I’m like UUUGHHHH NOT AGAIN!!!! I was a heroin addict for many years and one of the things that made it hard for me to get clean was the fact that heroin made me lose so much weight and I loved that. I was so miserable and strung out, but then I would touch my sharp hip bones as I was falling asleep every night (something that I can’t feel when I’m at my normal weight) and it would make me so happy. So dysfunctional! I gained a lot of weight when I got clean this most recent time and now every site I go to is selling the same shit they were selling back when my addiction first started all those years ago.
i’m proud of you for getting clean. not being able to find clothes that fit your body is frustrating. it’s the clothes that don’t fit your body, not your body that doesn’t fit the clothes.
Oh dear God no. I've finally gotten comfortable in my own skin, I dread those days when I got bullied from my own family/peers during my entire teens for having a moderately bigger butt compared to then conventional skinny girls.
you got bullied for having a big ass?!? thats- wow. being thick and natural is what ive seen most people praise. im chubby and obviously bigger than my female friends but ive never gotten bullied. some people just arent as lucky, sorry that happened
I'm sorry that happened to you, but flat girls are also sometimes bullied and judged unattractive so we shouldn't care about trends. They are not beneficial to all girls.
@@johnglow7845 The bullies were ruthless when hero*n chic was in. I was constantly told I was fat for having more than a completely flat rear end. I was healthy! Skinny even, but with some curve. I thought I was a huge, hideous cow though. Now I am overweight due to autoimmune issues and I wish I was as "fat" as I was back then.
I just watched a video by Stephanie Lange on the buccal fat removal. I showed my husband and was like they’re trying to bring back heroin chic! Ty for covering this! Also, ps I used to be an addict and the “heroin chic” thing is so laughable. I assure y’all neck deep in a heroin addiction is not a look anyone would purposely seek out.
I've watched close friends succumb to that substance and yes - it doesn't often look like the fashion trend. It's someone's image of what that addiction looks like. The reality of it really freaking blows, and at often as that can be stressed, it's still never enough.
RAISE YOUR HAND if you get a special kind of anxiety every time you see your Boomer or Gen X mom over the holidays, the eating-est time of the year 🙋♀🙋♀🙋♀
Same, I came to weigh 39kg, I got anorexia, my mother was tremendously perfectionist and fatphobic (like 99% of the population at that time). My life broke that day I started that damn diet, "woke up" 9 years later not knowing who I was and with almost a decade lost, I don't wish it on anyone
Same. My mum weighs herself twice per day and is sad if she ever gains a bit from morning to the evening. She also used to say how her legs are too big (they are not) and other mean things about her body. All that negativity heavily influenced my when I was younger. My dad is also fat phobic and is always making comments about my sisters weight (she is overweight). It's hard to watch but at the same time you start to think "at least he is not making those comments about me"...
Part of the obsession with skinny is about obsession with youth. Skinny or short are visual cues for adolescent. Short hasn't grown to full height. Skinny has just grown, but not yet filled out. This is also why there is almost always some skinny celebrities. Movie and tv industry needs them. They need actors with skills, range and legal rights of older people, to play the parts of adolescents. There is also this image of dumpy middle aged mom that pushes older women to diet.
For woman, it's not only about youth, but also being "virgin-like", not experiencing pregnancy, childbirth and motherhood, that influence the body in terms of youthness and body weight, and are considered too "real" and biological. That, while the model, celebrity and basically every young woman is inspired too look less human and more like an unreachable angel that only the rich and fortunate can be. If your body changes, you're a flawed human and you should be ashamed.
@@letitiajeavons6333 that's the point. Lot of short actors played teenagers to their 30's. With makeup and styling you can fool the audience. All adolescents start as short and after their growth spurt lot of them are skinny because they spent all the excess calories to the growth. So short and/or skinny actors and actresses are used to play adolescents. If they are good at acting they become really famous celebrities. So there is always going to be celebrities with that body type. Not all adolescent have that body type, but adults without it are glaringly obvious in teen role.
Im glad you brought out that point. Everyone keeps saying the kardashians are trying to be skinny just to be skinny, i dont think is true. They are getting older, they cant be young forever. Skin sags, stretches, and with all their surgeries, it makes sense as to why they removed some things to preserve their body. They remove it and tighten up their skin so it looks as youthful as possible. If they could keep their bbls and tiny waists, they would. But they want to be young. Thats what i think tho 🤷🏽♀️
When you said “skinny had always been in” is so true. I’m a Latina woman and the majority of us are curvier and genetically are not meant to be super thin because that’s just not how we’re built. I used to be so insecure of my body and I would try so hard to lose weight until a few years later when the “slim thick” or “curvier” bodies were in “trend”. I’m now comfortable in my body as I’m older, but the idea that body’s are now “trends” is so bizarre it reminds me of my younger self trying to be skinny so bad.
@@Aestheticgirlllr Yes and I mentioned that there are latina women that are thin, I'm just referencing that a majority of us are curvier. I am no way favoring one body type over another, its just an observation on how bodies are "trends" these days.
This is such an interesting point i went to a predominantly latinx high school outside of LA around 2016 when “thicc” was in and hated my body because i had no figure. Now I’m grown with hips and a butt and seeing the pendulum swing backwards.
@@st1nkylulu i live in Mexico im latina too, and no, the curvier body has always been the standar, im naturally very skinny and i always recived comments about how flat i was, that i looked anorexic and that i should eat more to have a good body, here being curvy is better than being skinny and now even more with the reggaeton culture where the "latina body" (a curvier body) is glorified and is what everyone is looking for
I dont think a certain group of people are just “born that way” that’s just not true, there are different bodies types in every group im saying this as a latina living in latin america.
I remember 90's interviews with supermodels and seeing a "diet tip" by all these top models like Turlington, Valetta, Moss etc. that they were eating small-medium portions of pasta and that's how they remained thin lol. Carbs! Nowadays people treat carbs as if it's the source of all the world's issues. It's so funny and sad at the same time.
@@sandrabollocks16 yes, but it’s very hard to be and feel like yourself when you can’t became a best version of you. I’m recovering from ed and that’s so hard to know that my old body was the best body i could ever have.
Oh thin for sure never went out of fashion! But I have definitely noticed in last year or so, every time I go shopping, the clothes are all things I could never be comfortable wearing. So many crop tops and silhouettes that are unflattering on everyone but the most skinny figures.
I completely agree…I feel like (not that it’s related) but the pandemic years have been the years I’ve noticed stores stopped having clothes for typical bodies again 🤦♀️ I guess it’s back to 2007 all over again lol. Thank god for online shopping!!❤️😂
I felt this so much as a working women in my 20s, I'm not interested in going to work in a crop top, a see-through top, or ripped jeans. The only clothes that are work appropriate I could only find the sections clearly geared to 40+ women
As a 20 y/o woman who’s always been on the heavier side, i feel like i need to put armor around my brain to protect it from the impact the body trends of the coming years will undoubtedly have on my mental health.
I feel the same. My perception of myself was fcked up during my teenage years and I thought I was over it but the other day I tried on some pants and I almost cried. We really need to take care of ourselves and try to love our bodies :) stay strong and safe and remember you're valid, beautiful and capable :)
I think thinness never left, but as a millennial who was a teen in the Kate Moss era, I can say that the body positivity movement is a huge improvement. In the 2000s the only options for women were to be thin or hate your body. That said, we were not flooded by constant media the way young people are now. Thin and youth will always be in, but I do think that we have a much more accepting society now. And as a big booty girl, I love that butts have been celebrated for a decade- never would have happened a generation ago ❤
Don't stop recovery. I hope for a world where little kids don't grow up hating themselfs because rich people told them to. You deserve more than that. You and everyone else deserve to live happily.
When I was in high school, early mid 2000s, I was considered the “fat one” in my group of friends. I was 5’1” and 120lbs. It was mentally draining always being reminded in a time when being this size was too big for a teen girl; and I was forced to wear clothes from the womens dept because teen girls could not be allowed to have boobs or a butt. No girl should experience this.
Im so sorry… I was also a teen then and 5.5 with 100-110 and I got called fat all the time… Ironically I had a tiny waist but got a bit of ass and boobs and immediatelly considered fat 🙄 I distinctly remember envying girls that didnt have a difference between hips and stomach as I did There was this girl whose nickname was an endearing term for “chubby” in our language She had a little bit of a stomach that is literally all. And no one even thought of it in a mean way, it was just “we have three girls with the same name, there is the nerdy one the chubby one and the folklore paying one” but I cant imagine how ir affected her psyche being called that all the time (I was the nerdy one) I was trying to explain I kind of know how you feel We cant go back but we can make it better for ourselves and others now
Same. I feel you. In my teen I weight 54kg (hourglass shaped big boobs kinda girl) and felt fat. Kept starving myself to fit in because my friends are thinner (we're Asians so..). I'm much heavier now but I still feel traumatised from my teen years. I'm super sensitive about weight conversation..
How is it any worse than the skinny girls being made to feel like they’ll never be sexy because they don’t have boobs or ass? Y’all are so biased on who you feel sorry for. Is always fuck the skinny girl right? My sister attempted suicide several times cause she was always told no one would be attracted to her for not having curves but nobody cares and they’ll still call her a “stick” and tell her she needs to eat more. The double standard disgusts me.
@@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195the amount of body shaming and humble bragging on this is disgusting. The girls that you are envying also get bullied for not having these parts and have been for the last decade. I love how peoples sympathy only goes their own way but they don’t care about the struggles of others people.
@@SocialExperiment232 Past tense everywhere... This was two decades ago... we are talking about our teenage bodyshape related trauma and how ridiculous and unreasonable it was and by extension is, and you're telling us we are bragging?Bragging? About living with unnecessary shame and body dismorphia and EDs, some of us our whole lifes? If you think people sharing traumatic experiences is bragging, or that our bad experiences somehow invalidate opposite bad experiences, please work on yourself and reconsider why are you actively making Mina's comment section a hostile environment
Tbh thinness has never truly left, it was just like “in the background” still promoted by social media, the only difference it’s that major names like the Kardashians were not promoting it but most of the other instagram influencers were always promoting it. Btw I LOVE your outfit and the background, I admit I love watching your videos because of your outfits, you’re a fashion genius. ❤ and not just any fashion, I love your classic, retro chic fashion ideas so unique! ❤
After an accident in 2015 that almost killed me, I couldn't eat properly for months, which made me lose a drastic and unhealthy amount of weight. I was always very private on social media but I had appeared in the background of a friend's instagram story. The reactions were disgusting. Instead of asking how I was or being happy I survived, people praised me for FINALLY being skinny. So yeah, sadly the ideal of being skinny never really left. I hope for a future in which body types are just a description instead of a trend.
I had a similar experience. I have always been heavy but I developed a bacterial disease that prevented me from eating without vomiting. I was constantly praised for losing weight (including nurses at the doctors office) when I was very sick. I hope you are doing well. ❤
I have chronic PCOS and am medically qualified to take ozempec but it's been inaccessible for 3 months because so many people want it. So I've been sitting here suffering with the symptoms and unable to get my treatment... Because people who are 145 want to be 120. :/ It's awful and you feel helpless.
I’m so sorry about that, i know that to find anything that will actually help with PCOS is a battle in and of itself, so it being unavailable must be so crushing and frustrating :(
I have PCOS and Pre-Diabetes. It's the first time I'm hearing about Ozempec tbh. I didn't realized it was a thing. I just know that I still have time to lose weight and speak to a nutritionist when I can.
Thinness is always the „it” body type. It only dependends if it’s more „bone thin” or „muscle thin”. Edit: and yes, the latest trends showed that the more curvy bodies can also be consider attractive, nevertheless there is always some part of womens body that have to be flat/thin to be esthetically pleasing
Hard disagree. During the curvy era no one wanted to seem hard and muscley “thin”..also it’s always been having more fat or a fatter body was always the It body, since mankind, the acceptance of thin bodies is relatively a new thing.
@@MaimV but the thing was that the curvy body was only curves on the right places - You have seen a lot of curvy models with relatively flat stomaches and fit curves without flaws - it was more of a standard like “not too thin, not too curvy”.
Yeah... as a chubby/fat women, I can attest that my fat belly has never been in. It was large ass and boobs and hourglass without the belly, or H looking figure skinny. And the ideal was still white too. So...
As a pharmacy student who watches Mina's videos to disconnect after studying I'd never had guessed the day would come when Mina would talk about semaglutide on her channel. I guess pharmacology is hunting me.
Same. I did not get into (or onto) TikTok, and - even worse - did deactivate my instagram in the beginning of 2020, and ever since i just have no idea what trends are in or what the hot gossip is. I kinda get fomo, or even a second degree, fomo-fomo. I am aware of broad trends/aesthetics, but the closest i do get to fashion is seeing what H&M is selling. It’s really weird, as i am in my early 20’s and feel like i should … care? But also I just have my own problems to solve and really couldn’t bother to keep up with that side of current culture. It is kinda alienating in some parts, but i just do not have the nerves to throw myself into, well, the loop again.
@@annikania2682 you pretty much summed up the way I felt in 2019 and mid 2020, I refused to download Tik Tok bc I was so against it, I had Instagram and UA-cam but I felt so out of place, i literally had no idea what anybody was talking about online. I stopped feeling young even though I was 19 but I didn’t feel old either it was a weird and isolating middle ground. Since then I’ve downloaded Tik tok and I got myself out of that headspace and I feel much better and I feel young again lol, such a weird thing to say when I’m in my early 20s. But honestly not being in the loop made me feel so alone
Despite being extremely out of touch and not on TikTok or Instagram, I still unconsciously feel this extreme necessity to revert back to my ED tendencies. I'm now monitoring what I'm eating to make sure I'm eating enough and healthy as a freaking 30 year old. EDs never go away
ME TOO! I don’t even understand how even though I’m not actively looking at that content anymore my brain is changing what I think “ pretty” is and wanting to go back to being skinny
Literally!! I’ve finished my ED therapy and now I’m in remission and seeing this shit is so sad :( coming out on the other side of this illness alive just makes me want to shake everyone and tell them there is so much better out there than this
I was watching older movies recently like white chicks and mean girls and I noticed the negative mentioning of “fat asses”, where regina is made fun of for having a big butt and karen says “my hips are huge” in a negative sense, and in white chicks when one of the girls goes “heres back fat sally, look at my huge badonkey!” I think we’re still at a stage where bigger butts and boobs are popular, but the flat stomach never left in the first place
I’m a pharmacist and we’ve had a semaglutide shortage/back order (generic medicine in ozempic and wegovy)- we have to request doctors to change medication therapy 😭😭
Yupp!!! I work for an insurance company and have gotten multiple calls that people can’t find a pharmacy that has their meds in stock. I’ve called round and round and thankfully both times we found a Walgreens that has it in stock. I’m scared that next time I’m not going to be able to find it in stock anywhere.
it's disgusting that people will buy up meds and leave the patients who actually need them with nothing. it happened during the beginning of the pandemic with lupus medication
ok, but that's not a problem with people who want to loose weight, that's industry problem. I had to call 10 pharmacies to get antibiotic for my son today, you don't tell me it's the fault of all those other sick children taking the drugs away. I also dissolve adult Motrin for him because we haven't seen childrens Motrin in our store for months. How dare those other parents use all my Motrin?! Get a grip.
!! im a tech and nearly every shift i have to call around to see if any pharmacies nearby have any in stock since we're barely able to get any in and what we do receive isn't nearly enough for all our patients, the company i work for has started requiring a type 2 diabetes diagnosis in order to fill ozempic specifically so that's at least helped some in knowing that people who NEED the medication are the ones getting it
slim-thick always felt to me like the idolisation of skinniness permeating the body positivity movement under the guise of promoting 'curvy' and 'thick' features. i agree that skinniness as an ideal never left - SO many people, girls especially, were dieting/depriving themselves of food throughout my time in middle and high school, all during the heyday of the body positivity movement. the only difference is that now that y2k fashion's back in, people can idealise skinniness as 'part of the aesthetic' and 'nostalgia' rather than calling it exclusion of larger/different bodies, so companies are no longer so concerned w/ appealing to the body positivity movement anymore.
Oh god this video gave me flashbacks to all the thinspo, pro-ana stuff I internalized as a chronically online teenager in the early/mid-2000s. Very on point
i still have an old "thinspo" pinterest board from when i was 12/13 and falling into all the pro-ana stuff... i havne't looked at it in years but i've never deleted it either. Couldn't, for some reason. God i hope it's not coming back (it never went away, but at least it wasn't the "trend" for a while)
About Ozempic- my sister is pre-diabetic and hasn’t been able to get her prescription for Ozempic for months. She called our local pharmacy and they literally laughed at her because they have been out for months.
My niece is 14 and she's complained about being "fat" ever since she could talk (and she did not learn that from her mom etc). So I totally agree that the skinny ideal never went away and that the kids are feeling it, maybe more than ever now. When I grew up in the 90s we used to say that models are skinny, we're not. But kids today think they're one viral sensation from being a tiktok star and identify with their influencer idols. Not to mention we didn't spend hours of the day watching skinny ppl, in the way kids now consume social media.
Meh, remember when songs like TLC's Unpretty and Cristina Aguilera's Beautiful became popular in the late 90s and early 2000s because of the unhealthy beauty standards featured in teen magazines and women's magazines? Our generation DID consume such stuff just in a different form of media - magazines, TV shows, movies, music videos.
How is the super skinny look anymore dangerous than the standard that was being promoted before it? Women getting all sorts of surgery to enlarge body parts isn’t any safer than dieting to look good I don’t understand why this offends people but then it’s yasss queen to the ones that promote the slim stick body’s as if they were natural.
@@SocialExperiment232ecause it was impossible for a vast majority of women to be as skinny as the heroin chick. If you had a little fat anywhere you were considered fat and ugly. Also a lot of women didn’t diet to get skinny back then, they had Ed’s and would starve themselves.
@@rotisserie8444 it’s impossible for a vast majority of women to be slim thick as well. Even more so cause even the women that were a little overweight can’t target the fat to go to specific body parts whilst still leaving the abdomen flat and the ones that are skinny can’t just make their hips bigger and grow their boobs. So it makes no sense why Kim kardashian is praised for promoting her surgery as a “natural body” meanwhile models are constantly shamed and ridiculed for being “sticks”. It makes cero sense and it just shows how hypocritical the “body positivity” movement is.
My six year old daughter told me she only wants to be skinny because skinny is better. She for sure never heard that from me, a lady with a curvy body. My mom is very thin, but she also never once made me feel negative about my body. Not sure where my daughter got it from but it’s scary tic hear them say
I actually had to hop off tiktok because I saw people I perceived as better than me which is so easy to do. I feel like our obsession with thinness has never really left. Even if we had the k family with big butts, they still had flat stomachs and overall thin bodies. Its just a mess honestly
It's never actually left, it just hid behind some hypocritical "body positivity". 99,9% of the bodies we see on the internet with wide hips, thick asses, round boobs and thin legs are all filtered and photoshopped. It scares me to see that these uncanny images slowly shove impossible standards in our heads.
back when i was in early middle school being thin was huge. the 'victoria's secret model body' was in and being the biggest in my friend group i always felt insecure. but by late 8th grade up into highschool the 'kim k' body and curves were suddenly a trend and now i had people starting to like me and ask me out... but now that the trend of being thin is returning to mainstream media I've gotten comments on my weight again. like how "there's no way you can fit in a size small." (direct quote from a friend i dropped.) the crazy part is that I'm not even that big- i just have a more curvy body type. its sad seeing people being so influenced by trends like this so many people who i know are starting to diet again and its just concerning at this point
honestly don't think thin ever left. In my mid 30's and constantly anxious about my body, especially my tummy. Since always. I kind of don't care as much as I did as a teen, but I don't think it's because I've evolved or trends changed. It's just that I have a lot more to deal with now.
That might mean that you have quite nice body - if you would be on fatter side you, being in mid 30', would probably be more fed up with this shit and would care less XD I mean - I did. To the point where I went topless last year on the beach in Majorca 🙃 people did't seem to care (there was a lot of topless women - I weren't flashing unwilling people...). For a long time I would be ashamed of my body, but it isn't as bad as in my head!
You may have wanted curves then and now and big boobs yes then no- but the flat stomach never left. Dieting and toxic beauty ideals to be stick thin never left the runway or our minds.
I'm late twenties and I also constantly worry. Worry and stress about my stomach and back and legs, to the point where I have anxiety about eating more than one meal per day. It's something I'm working on mentally but it's going to take lots of effort to deprogram. It's to the point even seeing this video title was giving me tons of anxiety, which I am aware is not normal at all.
@@MaraMara89 it's lies it's much worse as we age my anxiety has been so intense over my looks since I joined late 20s it has been brutal and scary to feel less than and constantly judged for my looks and body
It did… the only people who don’t know it are people who aren’t thin… just a year ago in high school I was getting bullied and targeted for being skinny people saying I was flat and unattractive because of it and saying I look anorexic when I’m not
Having an ed in 2010s and wanting to just be as skinny as possible instead of just focusing on getting good nutrition really wasn't worth it in any way, I truly hope young girls don't fall into this trap but unfortunately some for sure will
@@nothing-jl2dz I'm seeing this exact trend on Pinterest. Almost like clockwork I fall into ed Pinterest where the comments are borderline pro ana and no one says anything!!! Those coquette girl blogs where lana del ret quotes are put on top of pictures of Lilly rose Depp also encourage this type of behaviour, all the women in that aesthetic are white and extremely skinny
Well being thick was the beauty standard for awhile now and since plastic surgery and bbls became more accessible more people had the “unrealistic” body. Since beauty trends seem to be about what’s more rare or unattainable it makes sense the shift is happening unfortunately
This is exactly my thought too! I feel like as humans, we're never going to not have beauty standards because we seem to thrive on exclusivity , 'special'ness etc, so anytime something becomes popular and accessible the needle is going to change. You see it in fashion too, and both fashion and beauty standards are about superficial looks, so of course they're going to either trend or go outta trend. The best response is to not give a f***, be comfortable in ur looks / not participate in beauty standards because we can't all fit a particular body trend or fashion trend at all times. But I think that's difficult for people to do, we all seem to yearn to be 'special'
This is exactly it. If everyone can be thick, it’s not special anymore. Celebrities are chasing the “otherness”, not wanting to be associated with commoness
During pandemic I lost A LOT or weight because I was just plain depressed and couldn't leave home. I wasn't eating at all, just coffee and maybe 1 (poor) meal per day and my health was so compromised even small cuts wouldn't heal. It was awful but what was worst was both my mom and boyfriend saying I looked great. They said I should stay like that. I remeber telling them "this isn't natural, I need to gain weight" and so far UP TO THIS DAY I am still hearing about how fat I am NOW. Now that I'm healthy and happy and eating normal amounts of food. My point here is, this thin fashion affects your relatives, too. They will put pressure onto you looking a certain way because they don't stop and educate themselves about the implications. Anyways, thanks for reading my rant.
I lost almost a stone (that I didn't need to) due to covid killing my appetite & giving me a weird full feeling all the time. I felt truly awful. My energy was completely sapped & I felt very unwell for about a month. Had to keep sliding down walls to the floor before I fell down, taking breaks during walks, falling asleep at random times & places but a family member's response, "Yeah but your cheekbones look great". The really sad part is, while my first reaction was sadness & disgust that they'd completely dismissed how ill I felt, a small part of me took it as a kinda sick compliment, even though I didn't think I looked good at that weight. It's years of programming I guess. Sorry your family aren't more considerate of your feelings & hope you're in good mental & physical health X
hi, pharmacist from germany here. even in GERMANY where the health care system is excellent, we really felt the consequences of the abuse of ozempic. people need it to survive but can't get it because some privileged people want to follow another temporary body trend. makes me furious.
Hi from Spain. I have a question, don't those meds need a prescription? I'm not sure how's the deal here because I'm not a pharmacists, but almost every med you need here must be prescribed by your doctor, and you even need close control over some like Adderall. I'm not sure it's the case with this kind of medicine tho...
@@anamp1322 ahhhhh and why are doctors prescribing it for weight loss????? That's crazy I hope it changes soon so everyone can have their medicines safely...
@@EfeFlet ¡En España también se han reportado problemas con el suministro de algunos de estos fármacos! Al final tanta publicidad indirecta en redes ha aumentado muchísimo la demanda, más de lo previsto por la AEMPS, quizás no estén siendo tan rigurosos como deberían a la hora de prescribir, no lo sé, pero al final lo pagan las personas que realmente más necesitan esta medicación.
as someone who suffered through the tumblr era of pro-ana, i had to delete tiktok. I genuinely couldn't continue my recovery journey because all the alt/y2k stuff on my fyp suddenly became bodychecking whether it was announced as a trend or someone posing showing off their "outfit" but very clearly using the video as a body check. I worry for the teenagers consuming that content the way i consumed the tumblr pro ana content. Im 21 and I still hear that fucking kate moss quote in my head on bad days because tumblr engrained that shit in my brain. Its like I'm witnessing this content actively making other people insecure and i cant stop it and i wish i could because ive been there and it fucking sucks!!!!!!!! I'm 100% on the tiktok hate train
Girl, I’m freaking 24 and I feel ALL of this! I was on pro Ana tumblr too it was so dark. I also deleted TikTok; unfortunately the shit is even on Pinterest so idk it’s insane
I tried ozempic 3 years ago (because my mother is a fatphobic) and it took me almost a month to convince my mom to let me remove it. People don't lose weight because of ozempic per se, but because you're unable to eat because it makes people feel nauseated after a couple bits of food. My mother refused to believe me and my father had to try the ozempic himself to see if I was liying (he vomited the second day) Believe me, it's not worth it if you're not diabetic
The exact same thing happened to me earlier this year and I completely agree, Ozempic made me nauseated to the point I was unable to do anything all day due to how terribly sick I was feeling 🙃 It was very confusing and honestly a bit heartbreaking to see that my own mom was willing to push something with so many side effects on me just for the sake of being "skinny"
Exactly! I'm so sorry to hear your mom was trying to pump you full of something that makes you sick for the sake of beauty. That sounds like child abuse at best. Actually having an illness that means you have to be on chronic meds that make you sick and skinny SUCKS! I would know. Watching yourself waste away due to illness is a thing, and it's horrible. Contrary to popular belief, it's nothing to be envied.
Dear god that’s fucking awful. I’m so sorry you deal with such utter bullshit. Especially from parents, whom we’re so often told to obey and respect bc they’re supposed to protect us. I really hope you’re able to get out of there and flourish as a fabulous, independent adult person (speaking a little from experience as an adult afab person who left behind a toxic family situation 😅)
Sounds toxic-hope you keep them and their bullshit at a distance nowadays. As someone who’s fully stepped away from an emotionally and psychologically abusive parent I can only say that being on the other side is SO worth it
As an older gen Z (25), on the cusp of being a millennial, i grew up in the 2000s mainly but was heavily exposed to 90s stuff too and thin never left for me. Even when the 2010s came in and Kim K, i was still in the "thin is in". I spent my whole teen years with very troubled eating habits and body perception. I spent that decade being thin while people told me to eat a burger or two. And now since the pandemic i've become obese. Becoming obese has showed me how much my body dismorphia was severe. Because only now do i see that i was fine as i was. When i was thin i saw myself as i am today. Mind you i weighed 50kgs for 162cm. Which is totally normal. I think the thin obsessed era i grew up in is partially to blame.
I had exactly the same experience. I couldn't see my body right when I was a teen, and even if I wasn't fat I used to buy my clothes two sizes bigger because that's how I saw myself (I still don't understand it). I hope you're feeling better now :)
Actually 50kg on 1.62m is already bordering on underweight, so I‘m not sure I‘d call it totally normal. But I do hope that you‘ll come to a healthier perception of yourself and take good care of your body - we only have this one :)
thin never left haha. even my mom said in the 60s it was twiggy, theres always been a body type to "strive" for. on another darker note....can we talk about the rising price of food leading people to have to seriously think about their food intake? i know i have. i lost 60 pounds when my ex moved out and i had to pay double the amount of rent. i think its a bigger factor than most of us are realizing.
Crazy how so many of these girls are trying to be the main character and have ended up the villans of their books instead. Imagine limiting a drug for diabetes cause u wanna be thin 🤦🏻♀️
i wouldn't entirely blame these people. the beauty standard is not their fault nor what the media feeds to them lol. of course, not a excuse, but an explanation.
(im copying and pasting another comment that i made regarding semaglutide). great video, but i’d like to give my opinion of your statement on ozempic. overweight and obese people should be prioritized for ozempic. there are significantly more overweight/obese people than type 2 diabetics (in the US) yet there are very few medications that target weight loss. of the medications available, many are unsafe and cause a multitude of side effects. there are a wide variety of medications to treat diabetes, including other GLP-1 RAs. obesity puts people at risk of developing many life threatening and disabling illnesses, including diabetes. prescribing ozempic to overweight/obese people prevents diabetes, among other diseases like kidney failure and heart disease. additionally, ozempic is indicated for use in patients with a BMI in the overweight category and a weight related condition, like high blood pressure or pre diabetes. i feel like the argument against prescribing semaglutide to overweight people stems from fat phobia, and the belief that fat people shouldn’t be given compassion for their condition because (others believe) it is self inflicted. the metabolic toll of carrying excessive adipose tissue is difficult to reverse, but ozempic offers a solution that drastically improves health and allows people to reach their goals without disordered eating. prior to taking semaglutide, i would restrict in an attempt to lose weight and end up binging and gaining it all back. ozempic allowed me to get out of this viscous cycle, and now my appetite is regulated and i eat healthy and well portioned meals. for some context, i did research on semaglutide at stanford university, have a bachelors in human biology and public health (and a minor in toxicology) from UC berkeley, am a third year medical student, and currently take ozempic. this is the common attitude among my med student peers and physicians i have worked with.
I'm in my late 60s and remember the "Twiggy" movement. Her stick thin shape was my goal as a teen. I dieted and fasted but could never get that shape. (My family tree is a pear) Karen Carpenter was the first person with an eating disorder that I ever heard of. It took me most of my adult life to come to terms with my body and be comfortable in my own skin. Thanks for featuring this topic.
I naturally have a twiggy type for now, although I know you don't keep it as you age she didn't. Whenever in the curvy trend I felt self conscious my nan and her partner showed me twigs and the Mary quant look etc and I felt I had a look I could explore and feel confident. I think the harm is when young people fight for a body that isn't the one they've got. There's been enough decades and trends to find things that suit you even if it's not the one you'd have originally gone for!
I just wanna say, I’m someone who has been chasing the “thick” body type for at least 3 or 4 years. I am still thin and couldn’t get there as hard as i tried. Weight lifting 5 times a week + meal prep, school and a full time job. I just burned out. It wasn’t until a couple months ago that I decided to stop fighting myself. Whether thin is popular or not, I just wanna be happy with who I am.
me too. 5 years thus far. im happy to see other women coming to the realization that we should appreciate our bodies the way they are. and also relieved to know im not the only one who has struggle to be thick all these years. it seems like it was never enough and I never was satisfied with how I looked. as someone who was bullied for having no curves, it was really hard to come to terms with the fact that I was never going to be as thick as the influencers. but funny enough, most of them use photoshop or its not real...
i do think this is a case of mass hysteria. it might be because i'm east asian but the whole "skinny is most beautiful" mindset has never lessened or disappeared out of my life. my mother is the celery as dinner type of mother so skinny teas, bad dieting choices, constant fat-shaming and starving yourself for the holidays/events has been a constant. i was kind of surprised when i friend mentioned that skinny was back in because being underweight had never been "out" from my perspective. Nothing feels more extreme than usual so it's a little strange watching some people act like this is a huge change to the status quo. (edit: fixed the bad grammar
Yh as a black girl this conversation is always so funny to me because skinny will never be in for black people. It’s been thick and curvy for a minute and I doubt it’ll change for a while
@Chidiogo Ikeh 🥀🍫 i always see comments like this, but if you were so sure it would never happen, you wouldn't even be entertaining this conversation. For example Asians living in Asia never talked about body positivity because they knew for a fact they wouldn't be participating and they didn't. But I see so many black girls online worried that society is going back to a "whiter" aesthetic, but if nothing is going to change, then why worry? The girls have been loving Lori Harvey and zendaya lately, so you never know, honestly.
@@TheBluestOfThemAll nah lol idk about America but I live in the Caribbean and one thing is for sure being skinny will never be the standard for black woman here
I feel like skinny is always in. When I was in high school, it was all about the slim thick Kim K/Kylie body but even so, the pretty skinny girls were the ones to get most of the male attention🤷♀. So I just ignore the standards and do my own thing. Work to have the best body I can have that is realistic and healthy for me. Edit: Also people keep saying that Kim K got her BBL reversed. This is false. She only reduced it. "Subtle" BBLs are still in. Just look at Kendal Jenner's BBL before and after pics.
Agreed. I’m a mom now and 28 and feel like I’m already past the point where anyone cares what I do anymore, and it’s quite freeing. I can just live my life now. 😂
@@tessmoffett5512 that’s the best thing about getting older. You start caring less. That’s why incels predators misogynistic males like young girls because it’s easy to manipulate and groom.
I’ve been currently struggling with anorexia for about two years now I used to be 82 lbs but I’ve gotten so much better and I gained 10 lbs! It was really scary for me at first but knowing that I’m taking care of my body now and my mom telling me I look beautiful noe that I’ve gained and I’m glowing really helped me notice weight has nothing to do with beauty and I feel so much better now I hope u guys are proud I’m still trying! And if anyone struggles with an Ed I hope you get better soon and just know your beautiful inside out and you deserve to love your body because it makes you smile!! I hope everyone is doing well I hope everyone has a beautiful day!!❤️❤️❤️
I think the influence of Asian beauty standards that the west has gotten from K-pop, k and c dramas etc is also a contributing factor to this. Once again people want to look thin and pale.
That’s such a good point! K-pop is more popular than ever and those Korean beauty standards are notorious for being practically unobtainable. I’m worried for younger people who are predominantly in those spheres and I hope people are able to step out of these standards and learn to accept their own beauty.
Regardless of trends, people will always find something wrong with you. I grew up conventionally skinny in the 2000s and I was never praised for my skinnyness, in fact it was the opposite. My boy crush in middle school told me I was too skinny and to eat more. People still to this day comment on my body and it has made me insecure as a result. I’ve tried for years to gain weight and would stuff myself with junk foods thinking that would make me gain. It wasn’t until this year that I’ve accepted my body for what it is and focused on food being fuel. So my take is that trends only count if you’re a celebrity or have a presence on social media. I don’t think everyday people are worried about keeping up with body trends.
Omg same, but this was in the early 2010s, i remember being 14 and though I ate really well and loved my body, I genuinely thought I had a genetic skeletal deformity because of my hip dips (I never saw them on any of the women with hourglass figures on social media). Boys called me flat ass when I was TWELVE like looking back, how is a child supposed to have a BBL body. It's all toxic asf I hope we don't go back
I feel like skinny shaming for us natural skinnies should be addressed to because it really hurts. I wear long sleeves cos of vascular arms and have ribs so people absolutely refuse to believe this is possible naturally. My friends all know I eat more than them and have endocrine issues possibly causing this.
Honestly same I remember all through middle school people would bully me for being skinny and even accused my parents of not feeding me 😭 it’s only now that I’m finally starting to gain weight
Just wanna pop in here and say that as I a child my thinness was constantly praised. And when I hit the height of puberty at 15-16 I gained 'a lot' of weight and 'filled out' and that lead me down such a spiral of trying to diet and hide my fat when my body had just reached a new point. I wasn't even fat, I literally just gained 20 pound and now look like an average adult. It makes me so angry that teen me had to go through years of mental struggle to accept my body and wear clothes I liked because everything and everyone around me was stressing an unobtainable level of thinness
I'm going through t hat struggle right now.. I gained weight a few years ago during COVID, and I hate myself for looking back and idolizing how skinny my body looked.
@@COVID--kf3tx I understand you so much. If it's helpful, try not to hate a past version of yourself. Hate and healing can't coexist, try and be gentle and understanding with your past self. Self love is a long journy, and I'm right there with you. I wish you all the best
tbh, these trends only exist in the influencer/celebrity space. if you walk into an highschool right now, you're gonna see all those trends that tiktok influenced claimed were "out of date" -- coming from a highschooler. you'll see maybe like 2 or 3 people who dress "differently" (me) but no one is clawing at the new trends, no one really cares if your body is trendy because all that shit only lives online
Agreed… Lot of this stuff takes money and a certain lifestyle, most of us are not participating nor aspiring to such ridiculous and arbitrary expectations 🍿
You are actually right , we teens don't have money to do that . Although my experience is that even though we don't have the currency we do fall into the trap of this body is attractive or cool or that being fat is ugly atleast where i am from. At the end of the day if u are skinny no matter how sick u are because of it u will always be valued like seen attractive but it's not same for any larger bodied person like me So i really think that these trends online do affect the perspective of teenagers or highschooler
Tbh I found it easier as a mid sized teen living through the early 2000s easier because that super skinnyness was for models and a small minority of people with those genetics. As I've gotten older with people in my age group having disposable income, time to dedicate pursuing the perfect body and control of their own diets (instead of whatever the family was eating) my peers look different now and it feels less separated from real life now. Coupled with the fat phobia in professional settings the pressure feels more intense.
I’m 41, so lived through the 80s up. Admittedly, I’ve never been overly interested in fashion trends, but I don’t remember thin ever going out of popularity. Sure hope it doesn’t go too far while my children are young and impressionable.
I think you’re in a great position to influence them in a positive way! Kids definitely pick upon their parents body image issues. So if you exemplify loving yourself and your body and body positivity, that will leave a great impression on them. My mom was always talking down about her weight and shape and doing unhealthy crash diets. This definitely impacted my self worth and idea of what o “should” look like, rather than teaching me there is no one set way we “should” look or one set weight we “should” be.
As someone who needs Ozempic to manage my type 2, it's very very disheartening and frustrating to be told that my medicine is currently out of stock. To hear that a weight loss craze is the reason I can't get my prescription, it's a different kind of irritation.
As someone who lives outside of the US, being thin is still considered normal, being overweight is not glamorised or applauded. Even doctors tell their patients to lose weight if they start getting close to the overweight mark, and everyone who is heavier than normal is urged to exercise and do something about it. With kids and teenagers it's never been much of a problem, because you are obligated to do sports until uni. But old people are the ones that have the hardest time doing something about their weight. So they started opening more clubs for the elderly, to stay in good shape. And I'm quite glad that's the case. It's nice seeing people in their 70s/80s going to yoga, swimming, biking, hiking, skiing, etc. and not being stuck to a bed because they've just accepted their situation instead of doing something about it.
Please note: Osempic and Wegovy have severe side effects even when used on-label. And when you discontinue it you regain weight FAST. All of it. Most of the medical sphere acknowledges that this is a far from prefect medication that needs more development.
Great point - I've had patients prescribed it for its actual purpose (bg control) and elected to discontinue because the side effects were rather extreme.... I am worried (?) that those who do take these medications to lose weight will find it unsustainable, stop treatment, but then become overwhelmed by the quick weight gain - and then an extremely negative cycle begins....
I swear I once said TikTok would be the app to bring back this sh*t. The beauty standards of douyin becoming more relevant is just proof as well. It's not just the Y2K fashion, but also its Asian beauty standards slowly incorporating into western culture bc of the infatualization and constant appraisal of kpop idols. That's the thing that's starting to become to beauty standard not the 90's fashion only. And it doesn't help that the algorithm of tiktok(which has billions of users, meaning its very influential) is literally meant to push people that fit these standards on the FYP, meanwhile those who don't fit get little to no recognition bc the algorithm doesn't help them. That's why trends such as Gyaru become demonized and sexualized in order to make it seem like a bad or skimpy thing. But no one wants to have that conversation. (there's also a whole video explaining tiktoks algorithm if you search it up)
Thanks for talking about this topic. I've always had larger muscles than a lot of women/girls, and so as an athlete it really affected me in middle school that I could never achieve a mannequin's figure (I literally would compare myself to 'people' that weren't even human??) Luckily I've learned to embrace my body the older I got, but I still find myself unlearning a lot of behaviors based on wanting an incredibly thin frame.
girl I would kill for a large frame!!! Your muscular potential is crazy, so jealous 😭 (I hope this doesn’t come off backhanded, I genuinely mean it because I adore lifting and the power muscles give you) Nothing wrong with being built like Athena, nothing wrong with being built like Aphrodite :)
I remember that when I was younger I used to wish I were skinnier, even fantasized about getting sick to lose weight faster. Now I am really recovering from sickness, way under my healthy weight and I can’t help but reflect on how stupid that fantasy was. I can’t wait to be recovered and put on weight again. Thin isn’t pretty if it is not natural. And media has always pushed those kind of unnatural trends.
Would our society just stop turning a body type into a trend?! People have different bodies, all beautiful. The fact that we alter ourselves to fit a trend is maddening.
I remember people in tumblr or wehearit actually sharing images with "Nothing tastes as good as skinny is" and me actually trying to actually take it seriously and repeating it to myself to lose weight 🙃🤦🏽♀️
also I know mina mainly deals with American and Western contexts and other people have made videos about this but I wonder how much of an influence of say, Kpop idols and their bodies have contributed to that specific kind of skinny body being more desirable again
I used to be into kpop back in the 'earlier' days it became something in the western world (2009--2015) and I changed my beauty appearance for it. i embraced my thinness and went for that geisha pale skin look. I imagine it must have a lot more influence now given kpop is kinda mainstream here.
Absolutely, with these deadly diets and immense workouts,they're not only affecting their fans in a very dangerous way but also people around the world and most importantly themselves!
I was a teen in the 90s, and with an hourglass figure that didn't fit the preppy in crowd, I fully embraced grunge and was a fashion tomboy until probably my thirties. I truly thought traditionally feminine clothing wasn't for me. When I discovered my hourglass figure in my thirties it was like a revolution. What a shame I was convinced as a teen that dresses, skirts and fashion wasn't for curvy tall girls like me.
@@gadeaiglesiassordo716 this is so true! Even if we’re the most “desired” body type/shape, regardless of weight, most fashion is designed for up and down rectangle shape bodies by gay designers. That’s not me being homophobic- it’s just the truth.
@@s_fashionlover usually fashion is intended for inverted triangles. You know big shoulders tiny waist and small hips. Simply becaus this is what manequino are.
Body trends are not as universal as media would like us to believe. I’m skinny and in my country I’ve been told to eat more, that I need meat in my bones etc, ever since I was a little girl I would get those comments, and I grew up in the 90s. I think culture, place and background has a lot more to do with certain beauty standards.
Exactly. No one has any sympathy for these situations tho. People will probably come to the comments now saying “well you benefit from it” or “u shouldn’t even feel that bad”. I’ve seen it so many times 💀
And then you come tino this video where people are constantly throwing around words like sickly, stick, etc, without realizing how hurtful they are for people who look like that. It’s almost like body trends aren’t the real issue. They just want to be the standards themselves.
@@lucy5009 Yes, I remember all my childhood I was trying to put on weight because of those comments but my physiognomy is thin. Yet, others are trying to lose weight because they are also criticized. I think sadly no matter the group or body trend one belongs to there will always be people that say things either to be hurtful or just without giving it much thought. It seems like the best way to try and cope is knowing and accepting the fact that we can't be beautiful to everyone, there's different tastes and no matter how you look someone will always find a reason to criticize you. So better strive to be healthy and comfortable with oneself.
I do agree that skinny has always been in but when it comes to marketing it’s trying to be more subtle. You brought up a good point with the custom Muimui skirt made for the plus sized model. This whole consumerist take on health is getting really wild. I wonder if there’s going to be a resurgence of exploitative movies based on drugs. Sam Levinson is gonna be the top creator for it bet.
I take Ozempic as a type 2 diabetic and the side effects are absolutely horrible, idk how celebrities even manage to take it led alone talk about it like it’s some trendy new item on sale.
Thank you for being so thorough putting this together. Working in a pharmacy we’ve been on back order on Ozempic, Wegovy, and Mounjaro for months because people are getting them for weight loss so a lot of our diabetic patients have been bouncing between lower strength otc versions.
The side effects of these kinds of meds are no joke - I tried treatment for insulin resistance that involved this class of medication and never previously had kidney issues. After 2 months my kidneys started hurting every day, and even though I stopped, 2 years later I still have very painful kidney stones/sand almost always.
I still have BAD ptsd from being a teen model in the late 90s. ED was glamorised, agents telling me “the only slight curve we wanna see is from your butt” and a beautiful 17 year old co-worker model who looked like Sydney Sweeney was pressured into a breast reduction by agency and mother. I pray those days don’t return
A good history of heroin chic and its successors, with one little nitpick. I was in my 30s in the 90s. There was no "mass hysteria" over heroin chic. The vast majority of people never even heard about it. It's important to understand that newspapers, magazines, and now digital news and podcasts are about selling their product. And claims of "mass hysteria" sell. Always have, always will. Nitpick over. Also in the 90s, I was in the early years of my career as an English professor, and one of the assignments I routinely gave was to analyze fashion imagery and beauty advertisements. The kernel of the assignment was to show my students that the beauty and fashion industries work hard to create and stoke women's and girls' beauty insecurities, and then to offer their products as the solutions. Without women's insecurities, these industries would collapse. You got that absolutely right.
I think the ideal of thinness never left. The high fashion industry never changed, the skinny models on the runways never changed...
Yup. The BBL voluptuous body was just a trend
Well, the hips were 88, then they allowed 92😅
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Every body is a trend but I truly believe that the bbl will stay, but it will be more conservative.
Like the skinny bbl it's not obvious and many celebrities had it done.
True
And that's good because body possitivity is toxic
i'm suprised that kpop skinny culture is not involved in this video, kpop has reached a lot of platforms all through out the world and being skinny is always a topic in the industry of kpop. it may also been contributing why h-chic is going back since Y2K themed outfits are in in kpop last year
Omg yes!! Being a kpop fan when I was young and going through puberty sent me straight into an ED. I think the international fame of kpop and super skinny celebs like pretty much all of Blackpink definitely helped bring the resurgence of the heroin chic/super skinny look
Lol, kpop is the reason why nowadays hollywood celebrities also becoming obsessed with thin body, all the time everyone prefer thin people over curvy people, but kpop brings more obsession with thinness.
I don't necessarily think so
all east asian countries show extreme preference of very thin very pale women kpop is just under that influence
Yeah I agree, but in a negative way being a kpop fan helped me, I was at the verge of being obese, started getting into kpop and am in the process of losing weight, I don't think it's an Ed or anything, but now I eat only when I'm hungry it might seem like starving but I have so much energy now, and it helps me not over eat, but not eat too little when I do eat
The thin never left. It has always been the most sought out for body shape. How much fat you CAN have varies over time, but being super thin has always been a valid option. Other body shapes have not.
Sorry but skinny and fat are not body shapes . It’s not the correct word because body shape refers to the literal shape of your body (hourglass, apple, rectangle, etc) you can be fat or skinny and still have the same body SHAPE.
@@leraplaksyva2031 thank you for this.
being skinny is not a body shape. hourglass, rectangle, triangle are body shapes. your body shape generally doesn't change no matter how much weight you gain or lose. it just determines where you are more likely to carry fat if you gain it.
@@skrittle555 !!!!!!!! Yes.
Great way to put it. Even when being thick was in it was only in the “right” places. Still couldn’t carry fat in your stomach, arms, back
I was a teen in the 90s. People weren’t doing the drugs because of the fashion industry. It’s so much deeper than that. The fashion was following the angsty music culture… and the angsty music was mirroring the angst everyone felt.
This! How many popular artists from the grunge era are still alive today? It started with the death of Andrew Wood of Mother Love Bone and didnt end for another 20 years, until it took Chris Cornell from us. 😥
@@MaliciousMalcontent Seattle had a serious heroin problem at the time. That wasnt manufactured by a recordy company exec, it was real and killed many people. The execs just jumped on the bandwagon, exploited the scene and started signing third rate copycat artists like Bush.
@@susiex6669😮
Same. I’m a Xennial and none of us were pouring over Vogue. However, we were being raised by baby boomers who never dealt with their problems. We also had some heavy stuff happen like Columbine (happened the year before I entered high school). It was also the rise of the 24 hour news cycle, which I don’t think is good for anyone’s mental health.
For me, the "grunge" fashion and alternative music just had the feeling of "cool.' Because that was the idiom of the time. Also, there's a good argument that the "angst" and the "grunge" (in fashion, music, etc.) was really sold to us, we didn't create it. I honestly feel a lot more angsty and pessimistic about the world now, lol. Finally, I was never aware of "heroine chic" or body trends back then. I was inculcated with the ideal of thinness more from my mom and specific people around me, who had learned the same (I think the white "thin" ideal goes back to the 1920s or so).
i was praised most for my body when i could barely eat one meal per day bc i was on adhd rugs, with severe anxiety. i couldn't stay awake, i constantly dissociated, and i was frequently told i had gotten sooooo beautiful... good food definitely tastes better than skinny feels my dudes.
Yeesh. I hope you're doing better now
depends if the "skinny" is achieved in a healthy manner or not. hearing that expression as a food addict in recovery, i would have to agree with it. when food is your drug of choice, being healthy still feels better than your drug will ever make you feel. you can be healthy and skinny. can't believe i'm pointing out something so obvious but i think the media has warped our perception of health.
@@skrittle555 it's almost as if people shouldn't comment on other people's weight/weight change in general, especially while linking it to their beauty. that shit creates a complex.
@@skrittle555 also i'm still skinny i'm talking about when i was starving and could almost count all my ribs. it's not like i'm saying being skinny in any way is completely unhealthy? but a supermodel saying skinny feels better than any food tastes? she's talking about starving yourself
@@electriksheep1508 i mean, it depends on the individual person and where they are with their disordered eating. i WISH someone had called me out for gaining 100+ lbs. they were all too afraid to offend me and i had to suffer a stroke before i woke up. personally i can't wait until being mentally and physically healthy becomes "on trend." i'm so sick of all of this fake woke lying to yourself and feeding your eating disorder shit, on both ends of the weight spectrum. but your original comment that food tastes better than skinny feels is based on YOUR experience with being skinny and YOUR experience with eating. it's more subjective than that. and i'm sorry but for me, being fit does feel a hell of a lot better than stuffing my face with addictive processed foods. there has to be a balance and that's what a lot of ED discourse is lacking. moderation is the key to ED recovery, not excess in the other direction. then you're not really recovered. you just swapped your ED for another one.
Reminds me of those type of "whisper girls" who thinks that being mean and having ED is cool 🥴 i'm glad you brought up this hーn chic topic!
They're probably mean cuz their blood sugar is low from hunger.
Wait I just saw the exact same comment under yours
@UCm4LbKR4VFR-C4LpXt5Vyxw ohhhh right
I mean some whisper girls are definitely very toxic but there is also a positive community hidden in there
not all “whisper girls” are toxic! there is def a part of the community that’s cool and unproblematic. but yes at the same time, just like almost any group/fan base/etc, there’s a super toxic side that romanticizes ed’s and drug use and whatever
I really hate the idea of "trending bodies" but it's hard for someone like me to not fall into a hole like this where your body type is never glamorized or seen as beautiful. I try to stay away from media that glamorizes skinniness achieved by unhealthy habits, but it gets harder & harder istg.
I hâte this too! Bodies are not trends!
Finally, someone said it
Blame the algorithm.
@@johnglow7845seriously? This video is called ‘90s thinness’ is back. This isn’t a new issue
@@Imxel21 it's getting harder and harder to ignore trends because the algorithms on social media feed us this stuf 24/7 7 days a week now, it was never this bad before your mind wont get a break as long as you use the internet and we all have to now for workand school.
if you're even slightly overweight, you know that skinny has never gone out of style and you're reminded of it every single minute of your life. I'm at my heaviest after covid and finding clothes that not only fit me well but also ones that I like has been near impossible, even from brands that push "body positivity". Sometimes it genuinely makes me want to jump off a bridge.
I have to shop for clothes now and then. And nothing, no other shopping experience, makes me need to curl up into a ball for a while and fight off my ed thoughts
So relatable! Everyone around us will make sure we know we got FAT 🤡 as if we are blind
Omg I feel the same. I went on birth control and gained a lot of weight and I cry when the biggest size in the fast fashion brands don't fit me. It's so hard to find pants especially! Losing weight is so hard too
Stop complaining about it and make a change. I went from 5'4" 198lb to 128lb through consistent diet and exercise. Coming onto UA-cam and ranting instead of being proactive and taking the steps to change your life is what is holding you back. You've got this!!
@@bootdownthedoor how about you mind your own business. I was simply sharing a common frustration. Also, how do you know I’m not working on it?? Why do you just assume? Keep your ignorant commentary to yourself, it’s not helpful.
Instead of trying to pick between plastic surgery and starvation, why can’t Hollywood just accept that different body types (and ageing) exist 😭
Acceptance doesnt bring in the cash from products and content that make us broke and then rich 😢😢
Because that doesn't generate money .. profit is the ultimate goal
It's the influencers. Influencers are normal people once they acheive the body they wanted which most of them desire to have a slim thick body through hook or by crook, they show it off online such as in tiktok, Through trends such as small waist check or small nose check.
🎀It’s because we know that our time here on Earth is limited and seeing someone age means they are closer to death.🎀
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Thin never went completely away AND it is on the rise again, we just LOVE being miserable way too much to ever stop striving for the unachievable.
It's capitalism
@Draalttom That don't help any, true
@@annnee6818 in fact the issue is that all it does is help 1% real intensely but let the rest starve
@@draalttom844 no, is feminism... just a reaction to all the fat positivity movement.
@@draalttom844 No, Capatalism is stuffing your greedy, fat face with rubbish "food" until you resemble a potato.
This video makes me both sad and angry. I was a young teenager in the early 2000s. In junior high I was a size 6 and convinced I was fat from comparing myself to the models and socialites in pop culture. We all did it. It was ridiculous. And took me literally decades to overcome that self hatred.
You ever think back about The Devil Wears Prada and how much they make fun of Andy for being a size 6?! I don't blame you for having felt that way.
@@Tsuki04wolf Size 6 on a woman who is 5'10"" like Anne Hathaway is like a size 2 for ladies that are 5'4"". I didn't think she looked fat at all, but I did think that her pre-makeover look just needed a good iron and a hair-brush.
@@reikun86 the taller you are, the more dangerous the size 0 obsession gets
I was a young teenager in the early 2000s and stick thin. I was mocked ruthlessly in the predominantly Hispanic city I grew up in. I remember being confused at all the skinny and pale people on magazine covers. It gave me weird body dysmorphia to make that make sense: I must be truly hideous and disfigured and incorrect in my comparison because my community had pecked at me like a runt they wanted to die off.
I get that this is triggering right now. But all "body weight trends" are toxic AF. You might fit it perfectly, like me, and everything is still trash
I was a teenager in the 2010s and thick or slim thick was in. I felt just like you because I thin when it wasn’t in. Now it seems to be dying down. These body trends are ridiculous.
I recovered from my ED using weightlifting (because if you wanna lift heavy, you gotta eat *a lot*) and I gotta say, it’s really interesting to watch what (mainly) women at my gym come in to “work on.” It went from cardio only to some pretty intense leg days and now cardio is coming back in a big way.
I’ve also noticed comments on the way I look changing this past year. I’ve got some pretty beefy muscles and used to get a lot of praise, but now it’s veering more toward commenting on how “big” I am. And I know this is not comparable to the struggle of fat women (and I take “big” as a compliment) but it is a shame that even a body like mine that I’ve built truly focused on strength isn’t seen as desirable. It’s also a shame that so much weight training content for women is focused on fat loss…it should be about getting stronger!
That's interesting. In my gym (I'm from England) the women are still VERY MUCH lifting weights. I seldom notice women doing cardio and not touching any weights.
I fell you on tht, i gain weight and I was worried bu it was because I'm getting stronger, but the media o people do not reconize muscles!!!
I hope this kind of comment won't make you feel uncomfortable as it's not my intention, but as a bi girl I find toned and muscular girls cool looking, I think that it's just cool seeing someone putting that much effort on working on their bodies and being healthy in a way of letting your body to grow in muscle
I used to be a solid brick unit in school. I had comments of how big and fat I was. I benched 120+ and leg press was maxed at 345. I ranged 125-135 so I wasn’t overweight at all. I developed an eating disorder and am still working on recovery after over 20 years of suffering in it. I still want to be super thin and being healthy is super hard because I will never forget the things said to me. Being strong isn’t ideal anymore. It was a brief moment in time a few years back..and it pisses me off.
Ngl, as someone who's currently working towards getting muscular in a way to recover from an ED, I actually could not care less if people think I look too masculine or big. I like androgyny, I don't care if people are so pathetic they have to project their own insecurities onto me, I wanna be strong and also look it. I got bullied for years for being fat until I got skinny, and all it taught me was that people suck and they shouldn't dictate how I feel about myself.
As a young person who is not either slim thick nor 2000’s/1990’s skinny (I have a pear shaped body) I find both trends bring out my insecurities, and both have been damaging to my mental health. I’ll never have the breast without implants to be seen slim thick, I find the hour glass shape so unachievable. At the same rate, I can’t imagine myself being so so skinny in the waist (that one body check tiktok u should really made me feel sick) without going threw unhealthy stuff to achieve it. I’m glad I really filter out my feed to not show me things I’d be insecure about
i have the same dilemma! it’s upsetting how trends always lean towards extremes which are unrealistically achievable for most people
I have an hourglass shape, and my sister is a pear. It's funny, I've always been jealous of that body type. I think it's really lovely and soft. I also notice that as hourglasses get thinner, the hips look narrower. Just my preference, though. The greener grass for someone isn't green enough for someone else haha
Although I hate body trends, I’ve been kinda waiting for pear shaped bodies to become the “it” body
Idk something about y’all just gives the vibes of one of those baroque paintings or smth
Whatever you do just make sure to stay off social media from time to time and appreciate your body as is!❤and remember that just cause it’s not represented by the mainstream doesn’t mean it’s not adored!!
OP, that's a great idea to filter out that junk. Also - and surely you know this - but remember that most people use Photoshop and video versions of it to look thinner, hide skin "imperfections", etc. (The bigger the fame, the more they do this. Nerd City's "Thot Patrol" one on Lele Pons described it better - and it was kinda funny. And also not misogynistic in spite of the name [which seems to be a joke].)
Cheers from another pear, and stay strong! ❤︎
Its honestly exhausting being pear shaped with thicker thighs/legs. Especially if you want to wear boots or thigh high socks. Trousers (unless stretchy) simply don't go past your thighs/hips. I'm a UK size 8/10 but my pear body doesn't fit anything lol
The background, the fit, the makeup... literally stunning
Yea, I think she rocks. Her esthetic is so cool
The fit is stunning!
Ngl she looks scary to me.
looks like shit
Her hair looks crazy (messy finger waves on top and straightened on the bottom? Should have keep the finger waves throughout) and it looks like a two year old did her eye makeup and her eyebrows are non-existent. Looks like she tried to do a 20s style look and kinda gave up halfway through
Just wanted to add that the medication in the video that are abused by celebrities, to lose weight, are also used to harmonize periods and treat poly cystic ovaries syndrome. Not only are they depriving diabetics of effective medication but they are also removing one of the few treatment options for very painful menstral disorders. Those with menstrl disorders like PCOS have very few options already, maybe three or four, with most medications possibly negatively affecting mood.
Which one is for pcos??😮 my doctor has never mentioned these to me and my symptoms are so bad!! 🙌🏼🙌🏼
That’s very true I work in a pharmacy and there’s actually a huge back order on Ozempic (just recently got our hands on a few). People who really need it for diabetic needs per say can’t have it because so many people are getting it prescribed for things such as “weight loss” and a lot of it is influence from these celebrities. There was a point when it was so bad that we had to call other stores (pharmacies) for a box or two for extremely urgent situations and we prioritized the people who actually needed it because this can affect someone’s health (life). Remember guys it’s insulin meaning some people can die w/o it.
@@valf156115 the ones i use are metformin and aldactone, you should bring them up with your doctor so they can see if that's a good fit for you
The few always ruin it for the many... 😭
I have PCOS and could not get my medicine. It messes so much with my hormones when I don’t have it
Different perspective here: as a Black girl who was a thin teenager at the HEIGHT of the "slim thick" era, I 100% hated my body because I did not have the hips or boobs. I was bullied in the locker room by classmates and by my own family for being a "string bean", I stuffed myself with peanut butter shakes and had such an excessive and unhealthy workout regimen to attempt to "thicken up" my hip dips. It makes me so sad to think about how I wasn't even giving my body a chance to develop; I was so fixated on looking like an IG Baddie that I almost bought Apetamin to force myself to gain weight. I never felt feminine or sexy enough and I made some...troubling decisions to overcompensate for this insecurity. Yet even with all that, I'll still echo what most are saying here that thin never really went out of fashion. It is always socially acceptable to be thin these days, even though big butts and boobs are in, too. Fatshaming is so pervasive and quite literally humiliates and kills people in ways that skinny shaming does not. There is absolutely privilege in being thin and it's so shitty that women's bodies are even subjected to these fashion cycles in the first place. Just let women exist and make clothes that fit everyone and stop glorifying eating disorders or fad diets or deadly surgeries just so we can feel like we are worthy. I'm sending much love to all women struggling with their body image at this time: you're beautiful, you're loved, you're sexy, you're incredible and wonderful. A good body is a healthy body in whatever way that looks or feels like for you.
Your beautiful, in case you need a reminder
This I feel this 😭
This is so my experience. I agree with everything you said
That was a beautiful statement and so are you. You are far wiser than your years.
Black culture is different than general American culture so that 100% makes sense. It was like that even in the 90’s for black folk
Trying to fit everyone into “conventional” sizes is the issue. Clothes should be made for the body not vice versa. Women’s clothing never really accommodates anything that isn’t a straight narrow frame. Even in my skinnier days, I couldn’t find clothing to accommodate my shoulders and torso equally. My best advice is learn to sew or make friends with a tailor.
I agree, knowing how to sew and alter clothes helps so much. In the early 2000’s when I was in high school, the trend was very slim fitted shirts. My issue was having a thin frame, but a larger chest. So all of my shirts fit awkwardly. I started buying one size up and altered it myself.
I think another issue is companies praying on womens insecurities through algorithms, used to be the magazines now it's social media.
I mean not everything CAN fit everyone. It makes sense for companies to accommodate (mainly) the majority. Everyone’s bodies are just so different. It would be impossible to accommodate them all
this is what bothers me about universal sizing so often. They jus add extra numbers to the patters, rather than reshaping the pattern to fit bigger bodies. I think we should all be aware that the way clothes hang off of smaller and bigger people is vastly different, so the patterned need to be changed to accommodate that and have the correct silhouette.
Considering over half of americans are overweight I truly dont understand how few plus sized clothing brands there are. It's crazy. I deserve cute clothes too, just cause I'm fat doesn't mean I'm not cute!
@@chidiogoikeh4550 except they're not. Very, VERY few people are shaped the way brands are making clothing. Off the rack clothing only looks the way it does due to a combination of laziness, greed, and discrimination.
Aside from Kim Kardashian's weight loss and the resurgence of Y2K fashion trends, I think that the obsession with Timothée Chalamet (and his "Victorian orphan" look) is another indication that extreme thinness is en vogue.
Its a "sick" waifish look that's coming back for sure. I wonder how men will react or if they'll want to get skinny too?? 🤔
@@dw9524 i think so!! although of course ed's are generally more common in women
And Zendaya, and the girl from Stranger things
@@LoXena doja cat and ariana grande are also the thinnest they've ever been right now
@@dw9524 oddly enough (from what I have seen) its been the opposite for gay men. The bear body type has been getting super popular since the pandemic. The standard has always been, and still is tbh, super muscular, but this time with a belly instead of abs.
something that you didn't mention at all and i think is REALLY WORTH MENTIONING is the raise of east asian beauty standards. kpop/ idols diet challenge, trends in china / korea japan such as the paper thin waist challenge are also having a huge influence internationnaly, and needs to be looked into. lets just not have an all western look at this matter.
I don’t think the Asian body type is going to leak into the US because we have diverse people here and not everybody wants should be skinny, and some of us are very secure and not insecure
@@mariama9037 I am personally not from the US, so I'm not looking at all perspectives through an all USA prism at all times, but I'm glad you guys are holding on.
@@bangchanswebbrowsinghistor5145 Where are you from?
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@@mariama9037 It has due to the influence of Kpop. Just youtube kpop diet and there are various people doing these diets of different ethnicities; in English.
As a dietitian who often deals with ED in practice, you also need to remember that up until recently, many doctors would not actually diagnose ED unless there was anorexia and/or purging involved. Body dysmorphia and compensatory eating behaviours were overlooked or even encouraged in people who were categorised as overweight even in the medical community (sometimes seen as normal in those categorised as healthy and underweight too). The current discourse around ED is more aware of these things, which probably has had an impact on increasing ED diagnoses.
Even now, I have friends whose doctors refuse to diagnose them with bulimia because they are overweight. The behavior is there but they aren't emaciated, so apparently they don't have a disorder?
THIS I used to purge a lot a few years ago (sometimes I relapse but not as bad as I used to) and because I’m not skinny and have a bit of a belly, everyone especially professionals would dismiss it. I still had/have crippling body dysmorphia but I wasn’t skinny enough to be taken seriously
I work as a phone counselor at a college peer mental health hotline, and it's true-the dietician who did our training passed around sheets on how to recognize eating disorders that said, of a hypothetical patient "she has a preoccupation with being overweight when she is actually thin". Flashback to two weeks before that training, and I was reading an article about fat patients nearly dying from eating disorders, and after she left I opened my phone to find more videos of gym guys on "bulk/cut" cycles (some clearly describing binging/restriction). Like, clinicians can recognize "it's not about the food, it's about your reaction to it" until the food is protein shake peanut butter binges followed by zyns starvation "cuts", or they'll know "it's not about what your body actually looks like," until your body is fat. People are so much more likely to get noticed for their disordered eating when they're skinny white girls with coke zero eating disorders, and nobody notices the people struggling from the exact same physical and psychological effects when they're actually fat or male.
Rich people taking medication from people who actually need it to save their lives, just so they can be skinny is so dystopian. It honestly sounds like a plot from black mirror or something that would be satirized in a Knives Out movie.
I can’t imagine being a patient who needs those medicines and being unable to get them because of a trend.
I was in recovery for 10 years but recently relapsed and joined an Ana group. It’s so miserable and I truly hope that teens decide to stay away from a lifestyle that makes your days so miserable, difficult and painful. I know that a lot of EDs are the result of a combination of factors such as low self esteem but trust me, disgracing and mistreating your body and mind isn’t worth it.
I'm sorry you are struggling again. I was anorexic as a teen but have been in remission for almost 20 years. It is miserable and I wouldn't wish this disorder o n anyone. I hope you are able to get well again.
I’m in recovery as well. Had an ED at 12-13, I’m now almost 25 and still struggle but it is getting better. I wish you the best of luck on your journey, love. You are worthy, you are beautiful- it’s always going to be hard work, but I believe in you ❤️
I grew up in the 90s and have been fighting an ED since then, finally started to get treatment in 2021. Im struggling now because of weight gain because of meds from the chronic illness. Seeing this trend again isn’t helping. I really hope teenagers dont see this as a goal.
Organ failure and ED, people always comment on my weight on how I need to gain weight to become more of something they deem better... Im dying very slowly. This is no joke. Hopefully society can find a healthier view on what it is to be human
@@meldan5 I’m so fucking proud of you, EDs are one of the worse because people aren’t sympathetic towards us. “Eat a burger” smh. You are incredibly strong for making it this far love, I believe in you. I’m using fitness to help me eat, and trying to eat more “valuable” calories such as protein and carbs like rice because exercise makes me more hungry. I make foods only I’ll not be able to say no to (seriously try making pho it’s so good and nutritious!) like things with broth and noodles and an egg and veggies so it’s easier to go down than a huge steak and potatoes. It’s hard, but you can do it. It helps that I met a man who loves me and cares that I have an ED and calms me, even if I cry for 3 hours straight because trying on clothes is traumatizing for me. You can do it on your own, however, you are beautiful and worthy. I don’t know you, but I under your struggle and I’m rooting for you 😘 💋
I don’t think this is mass hysteria. Perhaps it’s because I’m Asian living in an Asian household, skinny has never went out of trend. Even when the “slim thick” trend was at it’s peak (2017-2019), my parents and literally everyone around me still treats bone skinny as the “perfect” body type. I truly believe that these body types going in and out of trend type of thing only really exists among influencers and those that are obsessed with them lol.
yeah as an asian also living in asia, the standards definitely differ with different races. i think the standard to be thin has already been so ingrained in us. the 'tiktok trends' that exist online won't change anything much in real life. with relatives constantly commenting about weight and comparing you to others and even other children fat shaming their peers (personal experience lol we love childhood trauma) the standard has ALWAYS been to be skinny. i also feel like kpop has had a part to play in further highlighting this standard
slim thick has never been a thing in china lol. we had chopstick legs, A4 waist trends instead.
same for me as someone from Rwanda. For some reason, 90% of women have naturally tinny/flat waists, small boobs, and good-sized butts. They have the bbl bodies naturally and it looks way better than the fake one. So, if you don't have that body type, at least you're supposed to be skinny. Anyone in the middle with average weight/not skinny but not slim thick either is completely invisible and too fat. Aunties don't even pretend, they just straight up call you obese even when you weigh like 145 lbs and happen to be 5'8
@@natalyaakselaleksander4502 lmao aunties are there to make your self esteem worse fr in every culture, they are always the one to judge you by looks
then it is hysteria because it's not "suddenly reappearing"
as someone who is on a lifelong journey recovering from ana, i can confirm that skinny never went away. i think media got caught up in the glamor of curves, but with the exception of still having a flat tummy, no cellulite, a chiseled jawline, etc… however, i have seen the rise of pro-ana posts and communities, the glorification of being thin, and i’ve seen more of my friends fall into EDs over the past two years than i’ve ever seen previously. i personally had to delete all forms of social media in this past year because it’s been immensely triggering. stay safe, stay healthy, check in with yourself, and don’t be afraid to ask for help because support is out there
I mean…I’m skinny (not anorexic skinny. Healthy skinny, but I don’t have the desired curves) and I still get ridiculed for being flat and that I need to eat more (I eat more than my obese father. Literally) I think no matter what body shape you have or what size you are you’ll always be made fun of (ofc some body shapes are made fun of more than others. And yes obese people have it much harder, but people of all shapes and sizes get made fun of too. Society is stupid like that. Way too obsessed with other people’s bodies and faces.
@@moon_0207 If youre really eating that much more than your father you should get your thyroid checked.
@@ichich1716 oooor maybe it’s the fact that he’s older with a worse metabolism than me, the fact that he eats so unhealthily, that he doesn’t work out, drinks a lot of alcohol 🙄. And maybe I’m skinny after eating all that is because I have a better metabolism, I eat a lot of healthy foods, I’m active, I work out by swimming. Yea makes more sense now doesn’t it?
@@moon_0207 why so aggressive?
@@moon_0207 If he constantly eats dense unhealthy foods and drinks a lot of alcohol chances are you don’t in fact consume more calories than him
I was JUST thinking about this yesterday. I’ve been shopping online for a NYE outfit for the past month and everything is made for v skinny bodies.
I lived through this trend the first time around (I was born in the 80s) and I felt so excluded from fashion back then bc there’s just is no way my body type works with all crazy low rise stuff and drop waists.
Now those trends are back and I’m like UUUGHHHH NOT AGAIN!!!!
I was a heroin addict for many years and one of the things that made it hard for me to get clean was the fact that heroin made me lose so much weight and I loved that. I was so miserable and strung out, but then I would touch my sharp hip bones as I was falling asleep every night (something that I can’t feel when I’m at my normal weight) and it would make me so happy. So dysfunctional!
I gained a lot of weight when I got clean this most recent time and now every site I go to is selling the same shit they were selling back when my addiction first started all those years ago.
Congratulations on your sobriety. I hope you're happy and healthy. No fashion trend is worth that. Btw, reported the spa comment. Best of luck to you.
all the best to you! ignore the external noise, stay healthy! ❤️
i’m proud of you for getting clean. not being able to find clothes that fit your body is frustrating.
it’s the clothes that don’t fit your body, not your body that doesn’t fit the clothes.
Oh dear God no. I've finally gotten comfortable in my own skin, I dread those days when I got bullied from my own family/peers during my entire teens for having a moderately bigger butt compared to then conventional skinny girls.
If people who are supposed to care about you make you feel less of a person for your size, then it’d be best to distance yourself from them
you got bullied for having a big ass?!? thats- wow. being thick and natural is what ive seen most people praise. im chubby and obviously bigger than my female friends but ive never gotten bullied. some people just arent as lucky, sorry that happened
I'm sorry that happened to you, but flat girls are also sometimes bullied and judged unattractive so we shouldn't care about trends. They are not beneficial to all girls.
It's hard to believe that there are young people out here who don't remember a time when big behinds were seen as ugly. Wow.
@@johnglow7845 The bullies were ruthless when hero*n chic was in. I was constantly told I was fat for having more than a completely flat rear end. I was healthy! Skinny even, but with some curve. I thought I was a huge, hideous cow though. Now I am overweight due to autoimmune issues and I wish I was as "fat" as I was back then.
THIS OUTFIT! MINA 🫶‼️
FOR REAL THOUGH!
Honestly. It’s lovely
So cute!
I was literally looking for this comment -- like yes, fuck beauty standards but THE DRESS HONEY
indeed! lovely 💗💗💗
I'm tired of our bodies and faces being a trend.
I just watched a video by Stephanie Lange on the buccal fat removal. I showed my husband and was like they’re trying to bring back heroin chic! Ty for covering this! Also, ps I used to be an addict and the “heroin chic” thing is so laughable. I assure y’all neck deep in a heroin addiction is not a look anyone would purposely seek out.
Lol right. When everyone's rocking swollen hands and can't wear short sleeves well talk.
I've watched close friends succumb to that substance and yes - it doesn't often look like the fashion trend. It's someone's image of what that addiction looks like. The reality of it really freaking blows, and at often as that can be stressed, it's still never enough.
The buccal fat removal thing is absolutely bizarre to me. I have a thin face and all I want is a cute round face ☹️
@@ajc94 SAME. I don't understand why people would want that look at all
Is heroin chic just grunge?
My mom was big into diet culture it had a huge effect on me as a 90s kid. It’s incredibly toxic
RAISE YOUR HAND if you get a special kind of anxiety every time you see your Boomer or Gen X mom over the holidays, the eating-est time of the year 🙋♀🙋♀🙋♀
Same, I came to weigh 39kg, I got anorexia, my mother was tremendously perfectionist and fatphobic (like 99% of the population at that time). My life broke that day I started that damn diet, "woke up" 9 years later not knowing who I was and with almost a decade lost, I don't wish it on anyone
Same. My mum weighs herself twice per day and is sad if she ever gains a bit from morning to the evening.
She also used to say how her legs are too big (they are not) and other mean things about her body. All that negativity heavily influenced my when I was younger.
My dad is also fat phobic and is always making comments about my sisters weight (she is overweight). It's hard to watch but at the same time you start to think "at least he is not making those comments about me"...
@@simonef.7584 Sounds just like my family😭
@@lauren9817 They always carry some hidden tape meter and digital scale in their purses..
Part of the obsession with skinny is about obsession with youth. Skinny or short are visual cues for adolescent. Short hasn't grown to full height. Skinny has just grown, but not yet filled out. This is also why there is almost always some skinny celebrities. Movie and tv industry needs them. They need actors with skills, range and legal rights of older people, to play the parts of adolescents. There is also this image of dumpy middle aged mom that pushes older women to diet.
For woman, it's not only about youth, but also being "virgin-like", not experiencing pregnancy, childbirth and motherhood, that influence the body in terms of youthness and body weight, and are considered too "real" and biological. That, while the model, celebrity and basically every young woman is inspired too look less human and more like an unreachable angel that only the rich and fortunate can be. If your body changes, you're a flawed human and you should be ashamed.
Except that there plenty of short women who are fully grown.
@@letitiajeavons6333 that's the point. Lot of short actors played teenagers to their 30's. With makeup and styling you can fool the audience. All adolescents start as short and after their growth spurt lot of them are skinny because they spent all the excess calories to the growth. So short and/or skinny actors and actresses are used to play adolescents. If they are good at acting they become really famous celebrities. So there is always going to be celebrities with that body type. Not all adolescent have that body type, but adults without it are glaringly obvious in teen role.
@@holographicwing depends my mom is skinny but she has some baby face fat and good bone structure so she looks young still in her 50s
Im glad you brought out that point. Everyone keeps saying the kardashians are trying to be skinny just to be skinny, i dont think is true. They are getting older, they cant be young forever. Skin sags, stretches, and with all their surgeries, it makes sense as to why they removed some things to preserve their body. They remove it and tighten up their skin so it looks as youthful as possible. If they could keep their bbls and tiny waists, they would. But they want to be young. Thats what i think tho 🤷🏽♀️
When you said “skinny had always been in” is so true. I’m a Latina woman and the majority of us are curvier and genetically are not meant to be super thin because that’s just not how we’re built. I used to be so insecure of my body and I would try so hard to lose weight until a few years later when the “slim thick” or “curvier” bodies were in “trend”. I’m now comfortable in my body as I’m older, but the idea that body’s are now “trends” is so bizarre it reminds me of my younger self trying to be skinny so bad.
@@Aestheticgirlllr Yes and I mentioned that there are latina women that are thin, I'm just referencing that a majority of us are curvier. I am no way favoring one body type over another, its just an observation on how bodies are "trends" these days.
This is such an interesting point i went to a predominantly latinx high school outside of LA around 2016 when “thicc” was in and hated my body because i had no figure. Now I’m grown with hips and a butt and seeing the pendulum swing backwards.
@@st1nkylulu i live in Mexico im latina too, and no, the curvier body has always been the standar, im naturally very skinny and i always recived comments about how flat i was, that i looked anorexic and that i should eat more to have a good body, here being curvy is better than being skinny and now even more with the reggaeton culture where the "latina body" (a curvier body) is glorified and is what everyone is looking for
@@itzywitzy2467 that’s super interesting and I’ve always wondered what the standards are like in other countries.
I dont think a certain group of people are just “born that way” that’s just not true, there are different bodies types in every group im saying this as a latina living in latin america.
i’m so tired of 90’s thin beauty standards. like, world, just let me live now..
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I am sick of any body ‘beauty standards’. Just let me be me in my skin.
I remember 90's interviews with supermodels and seeing a "diet tip" by all these top models like Turlington, Valetta, Moss etc. that they were eating small-medium portions of pasta and that's how they remained thin lol. Carbs! Nowadays people treat carbs as if it's the source of all the world's issues. It's so funny and sad at the same time.
You can always live as you are! Beauty standards aren’t built to be depended on, they aren’t stable. But authenticity is :)
@@sandrabollocks16 yes, but it’s very hard to be and feel like yourself when you can’t became a best version of you. I’m recovering from ed and that’s so hard to know that my old body was the best body i could ever have.
Oh thin for sure never went out of fashion! But I have definitely noticed in last year or so, every time I go shopping, the clothes are all things I could never be comfortable wearing. So many crop tops and silhouettes that are unflattering on everyone but the most skinny figures.
I completely agree…I feel like (not that it’s related) but the pandemic years have been the years I’ve noticed stores stopped having clothes for typical bodies again 🤦♀️ I guess it’s back to 2007 all over again lol. Thank god for online shopping!!❤️😂
Then don’t buy them 😭
Same with me. Too many crop tops. I've starting shopping in the men's clothes. Just like I didn't in the early 2000s.
I felt this so much as a working women in my 20s, I'm not interested in going to work in a crop top, a see-through top, or ripped jeans. The only clothes that are work appropriate I could only find the sections clearly geared to 40+ women
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As a 20 y/o woman who’s always been on the heavier side, i feel like i need to put armor around my brain to protect it from the impact the body trends of the coming years will undoubtedly have on my mental health.
I feel the same. My perception of myself was fcked up during my teenage years and I thought I was over it but the other day I tried on some pants and I almost cried. We really need to take care of ourselves and try to love our bodies :) stay strong and safe and remember you're valid, beautiful and capable :)
I think thinness never left, but as a millennial who was a teen in the Kate Moss era, I can say that the body positivity movement is a huge improvement. In the 2000s the only options for women were to be thin or hate your body. That said, we were not flooded by constant media the way young people are now. Thin and youth will always be in, but I do think that we have a much more accepting society now. And as a big booty girl, I love that butts have been celebrated for a decade- never would have happened a generation ago ❤
100% agree!
Yess
Body positivity is also toxic
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Please don't let it be, I'm still in recovery
u got this!! ur health is worth more than any body trend always
Ignore these trends and love you.
Don't stop recovery. I hope for a world where little kids don't grow up hating themselfs because rich people told them to. You deserve more than that. You and everyone else deserve to live happily.
When I was in high school, early mid 2000s, I was considered the “fat one” in my group of friends. I was 5’1” and 120lbs. It was mentally draining always being reminded in a time when being this size was too big for a teen girl; and I was forced to wear clothes from the womens dept because teen girls could not be allowed to have boobs or a butt. No girl should experience this.
Im so sorry… I was also a teen then and 5.5 with 100-110 and I got called fat all the time… Ironically I had a tiny waist but got a bit of ass and boobs and immediatelly considered fat 🙄 I distinctly remember envying girls that didnt have a difference between hips and stomach as I did
There was this girl whose nickname was an endearing term for “chubby” in our language
She had a little bit of a stomach that is literally all. And no one even thought of it in a mean way, it was just “we have three girls with the same name, there is the nerdy one the chubby one and the folklore paying one” but I cant imagine how ir affected her psyche being called that all the time (I was the nerdy one)
I was trying to explain I kind of know how you feel
We cant go back but we can make it better for ourselves and others now
Same. I feel you. In my teen I weight 54kg (hourglass shaped big boobs kinda girl) and felt fat. Kept starving myself to fit in because my friends are thinner (we're Asians so..). I'm much heavier now but I still feel traumatised from my teen years. I'm super sensitive about weight conversation..
How is it any worse than the skinny girls being made to feel like they’ll never be sexy because they don’t have boobs or ass? Y’all are so biased on who you feel sorry for. Is always fuck the skinny girl right? My sister attempted suicide several times cause she was always told no one would be attracted to her for not having curves but nobody cares and they’ll still call her a “stick” and tell her she needs to eat more. The double standard disgusts me.
@@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195the amount of body shaming and humble bragging on this is disgusting. The girls that you are envying also get bullied for not having these parts and have been for the last decade. I love how peoples sympathy only goes their own way but they don’t care about the struggles of others people.
@@SocialExperiment232 Past tense everywhere... This was two decades ago... we are talking about our teenage bodyshape related trauma and how ridiculous and unreasonable it was and by extension is, and you're telling us we are bragging?Bragging? About living with unnecessary shame and body dismorphia and EDs, some of us our whole lifes? If you think people sharing traumatic experiences is bragging, or that our bad experiences somehow invalidate opposite bad experiences, please work on yourself and reconsider why are you actively making Mina's comment section a hostile environment
Tbh thinness has never truly left, it was just like “in the background” still promoted by social media, the only difference it’s that major names like the Kardashians were not promoting it but most of the other instagram influencers were always promoting it.
Btw I LOVE your outfit and the background, I admit I love watching your videos because of your outfits, you’re a fashion genius. ❤ and not just any fashion, I love your classic, retro chic fashion ideas so unique! ❤
After an accident in 2015 that almost killed me, I couldn't eat properly for months, which made me lose a drastic and unhealthy amount of weight. I was always very private on social media but I had appeared in the background of a friend's instagram story. The reactions were disgusting. Instead of asking how I was or being happy I survived, people praised me for FINALLY being skinny. So yeah, sadly the ideal of being skinny never really left. I hope for a future in which body types are just a description instead of a trend.
I had a similar experience. I have always been heavy but I developed a bacterial disease that prevented me from eating without vomiting. I was constantly praised for losing weight (including nurses at the doctors office) when I was very sick. I hope you are doing well. ❤
@@TheLawnine I'm great, thanks :) back to doing sports, being healthy and enjoying life. I really hope you're well, too 🌈
@@laribou4104 That’s wonderful! I’m slowly on my way to recovery as well. 🤍
I have chronic PCOS and am medically qualified to take ozempec but it's been inaccessible for 3 months because so many people want it. So I've been sitting here suffering with the symptoms and unable to get my treatment... Because people who are 145 want to be 120. :/ It's awful and you feel helpless.
I’m so sorry about that, i know that to find anything that will actually help with PCOS is a battle in and of itself, so it being unavailable must be so crushing and frustrating :(
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I have PCOS and Pre-Diabetes. It's the first time I'm hearing about Ozempec tbh. I didn't realized it was a thing. I just know that I still have time to lose weight and speak to a nutritionist when I can.
I’m a PA in primary care and I have patients with dangerously high blood sugars because of these people
Metformin has really helped me, maybe you could try that (if you want).
Thinness is always the „it” body type. It only dependends if it’s more „bone thin” or „muscle thin”.
Edit: and yes, the latest trends showed that the more curvy bodies can also be consider attractive, nevertheless there is always some part of womens body that have to be flat/thin to be esthetically pleasing
Hard disagree. During the curvy era no one wanted to seem hard and muscley “thin”..also it’s always been having more fat or a fatter body was always the It body, since mankind, the acceptance of thin bodies is relatively a new thing.
Bingo
Legit !!!!!! Skinny has never been out 🤧
@@MaimV but the thing was that the curvy body was only curves on the right places - You have seen a lot of curvy models with relatively flat stomaches and fit curves without flaws - it was more of a standard like “not too thin, not too curvy”.
Yeah... as a chubby/fat women, I can attest that my fat belly has never been in. It was large ass and boobs and hourglass without the belly, or H looking figure skinny. And the ideal was still white too. So...
As a recovering a*orexic, the potential return for this trend is scaring the hell out of me.
fuck the people promoting this shit. I'm never going to lose weight on purpose, this I vow!!
same
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we recovered once, we can do it again
Amen to that.
As a pharmacy student who watches Mina's videos to disconnect after studying I'd never had guessed the day would come when Mina would talk about semaglutide on her channel. I guess pharmacology is hunting me.
Girl, sometimes I watch your videos and I realize how truly out of the loop I am.
I'm glad to be out of the loop. I'm leaving the loop behind.
Same. I did not get into (or onto) TikTok, and - even worse - did deactivate my instagram in the beginning of 2020, and ever since i just have no idea what trends are in or what the hot gossip is. I kinda get fomo, or even a second degree, fomo-fomo. I am aware of broad trends/aesthetics, but the closest i do get to fashion is seeing what H&M is selling. It’s really weird, as i am in my early 20’s and feel like i should … care? But also I just have my own problems to solve and really couldn’t bother to keep up with that side of current culture. It is kinda alienating in some parts, but i just do not have the nerves to throw myself into, well, the loop again.
Being out the loop protects your mental health. It's not a bad thing. Keep it that way lol
@@annikania2682 you pretty much summed up the way I felt in 2019 and mid 2020, I refused to download Tik Tok bc I was so against it, I had Instagram and UA-cam but I felt so out of place, i literally had no idea what anybody was talking about online. I stopped feeling young even though I was 19 but I didn’t feel old either it was a weird and isolating middle ground. Since then I’ve downloaded Tik tok and I got myself out of that headspace and I feel much better and I feel young again lol, such a weird thing to say when I’m in my early 20s. But honestly not being in the loop made me feel so alone
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Despite being extremely out of touch and not on TikTok or Instagram, I still unconsciously feel this extreme necessity to revert back to my ED tendencies. I'm now monitoring what I'm eating to make sure I'm eating enough and healthy as a freaking 30 year old. EDs never go away
valid but don’t act like 30 is old 😭 even in ED terms i know 70-somethings with ED tendencies
ME TOO! I don’t even understand how even though I’m not actively looking at that content anymore my brain is changing what I think “ pretty” is and wanting to go back to being skinny
Literally!! I’ve finished my ED therapy and now I’m in remission and seeing this shit is so sad :( coming out on the other side of this illness alive just makes me want to shake everyone and tell them there is so much better out there than this
Eat healthier food, not less food
@@suhkawnit I don’t think this type of phrase will help anyone with an ed…
I recently read an article about the Kardashians slipping into irrelevance and I've never been happier
I don't know. The way it usually goes, it just means somebody worse is on the horizon.
That's bs
I was watching older movies recently like white chicks and mean girls and I noticed the negative mentioning of “fat asses”, where regina is made fun of for having a big butt and karen says “my hips are huge” in a negative sense, and in white chicks when one of the girls goes “heres back fat sally, look at my huge badonkey!”
I think we’re still at a stage where bigger butts and boobs are popular, but the flat stomach never left in the first place
Fr I notice that too
yeah its like a flat stomach is the mark for a desireable body no matter what
I’m a pharmacist and we’ve had a semaglutide shortage/back order (generic medicine in ozempic and wegovy)- we have to request doctors to change medication therapy 😭😭
Yupp!!! I work for an insurance company and have gotten multiple calls that people can’t find a pharmacy that has their meds in stock. I’ve called round and round and thankfully both times we found a Walgreens that has it in stock. I’m scared that next time I’m not going to be able to find it in stock anywhere.
it's disgusting that people will buy up meds and leave the patients who actually need them with nothing. it happened during the beginning of the pandemic with lupus medication
ok, but that's not a problem with people who want to loose weight, that's industry problem. I had to call 10 pharmacies to get antibiotic for my son today, you don't tell me it's the fault of all those other sick children taking the drugs away. I also dissolve adult Motrin for him because we haven't seen childrens Motrin in our store for months. How dare those other parents use all my Motrin?! Get a grip.
!! im a tech and nearly every shift i have to call around to see if any pharmacies nearby have any in stock since we're barely able to get any in and what we do receive isn't nearly enough for all our patients, the company i work for has started requiring a type 2 diabetes diagnosis in order to fill ozempic specifically so that's at least helped some in knowing that people who NEED the medication are the ones getting it
This is due to the American health system being f***ked and in the uK we have huge shortages of everything due to Brexit.
slim-thick always felt to me like the idolisation of skinniness permeating the body positivity movement under the guise of promoting 'curvy' and 'thick' features. i agree that skinniness as an ideal never left - SO many people, girls especially, were dieting/depriving themselves of food throughout my time in middle and high school, all during the heyday of the body positivity movement. the only difference is that now that y2k fashion's back in, people can idealise skinniness as 'part of the aesthetic' and 'nostalgia' rather than calling it exclusion of larger/different bodies, so companies are no longer so concerned w/ appealing to the body positivity movement anymore.
Oh god this video gave me flashbacks to all the thinspo, pro-ana stuff I internalized as a chronically online teenager in the early/mid-2000s. Very on point
Same, so much so it was triggering...
Ohhh “thinspo”… I hadn’t even thought of that word in awhile… I got kids now. I gotta get over this crap 😢
i still have an old "thinspo" pinterest board from when i was 12/13 and falling into all the pro-ana stuff... i havne't looked at it in years but i've never deleted it either. Couldn't, for some reason. God i hope it's not coming back (it never went away, but at least it wasn't the "trend" for a while)
About Ozempic- my sister is pre-diabetic and hasn’t been able to get her prescription for Ozempic for months. She called our local pharmacy and they literally laughed at her because they have been out for months.
How unprofessional and insensitive of them
My niece is 14 and she's complained about being "fat" ever since she could talk (and she did not learn that from her mom etc). So I totally agree that the skinny ideal never went away and that the kids are feeling it, maybe more than ever now. When I grew up in the 90s we used to say that models are skinny, we're not. But kids today think they're one viral sensation from being a tiktok star and identify with their influencer idols. Not to mention we didn't spend hours of the day watching skinny ppl, in the way kids now consume social media.
Meh, remember when songs like TLC's Unpretty and Cristina Aguilera's Beautiful became popular in the late 90s and early 2000s because of the unhealthy beauty standards featured in teen magazines and women's magazines? Our generation DID consume such stuff just in a different form of media - magazines, TV shows, movies, music videos.
How is the super skinny look anymore dangerous than the standard that was being promoted before it? Women getting all sorts of surgery to enlarge body parts isn’t any safer than dieting to look good I don’t understand why this offends people but then it’s yasss queen to the ones that promote the slim stick body’s as if they were natural.
@@SocialExperiment232ecause it was impossible for a vast majority of women to be as skinny as the heroin chick. If you had a little fat anywhere you were considered fat and ugly. Also a lot of women didn’t diet to get skinny back then, they had Ed’s and would starve themselves.
@@rotisserie8444 it’s impossible for a vast majority of women to be slim thick as well. Even more so cause even the women that were a little overweight can’t target the fat to go to specific body parts whilst still leaving the abdomen flat and the ones that are skinny can’t just make their hips bigger and grow their boobs. So it makes no sense why Kim kardashian is praised for promoting her surgery as a “natural body” meanwhile models are constantly shamed and ridiculed for being “sticks”. It makes cero sense and it just shows how hypocritical the “body positivity” movement is.
My six year old daughter told me she only wants to be skinny because skinny is better. She for sure never heard that from me, a lady with a curvy body. My mom is very thin, but she also never once made me feel negative about my body. Not sure where my daughter got it from but it’s scary tic hear them say
YAY FINALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS TOPIC
It’s been talked about. Where’ve u been??
@@chidiogoikeh4550 Iol I know but I was waiting for mina to speak about it
@@minsugagenuismanjjangjjang4352 I thought she had 😭. Maybe in thinking about another UA-camr sorry
What? Women getting rid of their BBLs, which are another goofy beauty standard, and being content being fit?
@@cfbg minasuga meant that mina finally talked about it
I actually had to hop off tiktok because I saw people I perceived as better than me which is so easy to do. I feel like our obsession with thinness has never really left. Even if we had the k family with big butts, they still had flat stomachs and overall thin bodies. Its just a mess honestly
Exactlyyyy
It's never actually left, it just hid behind some hypocritical "body positivity". 99,9% of the bodies we see on the internet with wide hips, thick asses, round boobs and thin legs are all filtered and photoshopped. It scares me to see that these uncanny images slowly shove impossible standards in our heads.
back when i was in early middle school being thin was huge. the 'victoria's secret model body' was in and being the biggest in my friend group i always felt insecure. but by late 8th grade up into highschool the 'kim k' body and curves were suddenly a trend and now i had people starting to like me and ask me out... but now that the trend of being thin is returning to mainstream media I've gotten comments on my weight again. like how "there's no way you can fit in a size small." (direct quote from a friend i dropped.) the crazy part is that I'm not even that big- i just have a more curvy body type. its sad seeing people being so influenced by trends like this so many people who i know are starting to diet again and its just concerning at this point
honestly don't think thin ever left. In my mid 30's and constantly anxious about my body, especially my tummy. Since always. I kind of don't care as much as I did as a teen, but I don't think it's because I've evolved or trends changed. It's just that I have a lot more to deal with now.
That might mean that you have quite nice body - if you would be on fatter side you, being in mid 30', would probably be more fed up with this shit and would care less XD I mean - I did. To the point where I went topless last year on the beach in Majorca 🙃 people did't seem to care (there was a lot of topless women - I weren't flashing unwilling people...). For a long time I would be ashamed of my body, but it isn't as bad as in my head!
You may have wanted curves then and now and big boobs yes then no- but the flat stomach never left. Dieting and toxic beauty ideals to be stick thin never left the runway or our minds.
I'm late twenties and I also constantly worry. Worry and stress about my stomach and back and legs, to the point where I have anxiety about eating more than one meal per day. It's something I'm working on mentally but it's going to take lots of effort to deprogram. It's to the point even seeing this video title was giving me tons of anxiety, which I am aware is not normal at all.
@@MaraMara89 it's lies it's much worse as we age my anxiety has been so intense over my looks since I joined late 20s it has been brutal and scary to feel less than and constantly judged for my looks and body
It did… the only people who don’t know it are people who aren’t thin… just a year ago in high school I was getting bullied and targeted for being skinny people saying I was flat and unattractive because of it and saying I look anorexic when I’m not
Not the early 2000's again. I lived through that the first time round. Don't make us go through that again. It. Was. Hell.
Having an ed in 2010s and wanting to just be as skinny as possible instead of just focusing on getting good nutrition really wasn't worth it in any way, I truly hope young girls don't fall into this trap but unfortunately some for sure will
I think it could ever be as worse as back then. We are very PC now. Also, the mags don’t run our culture anymore.
you dont have to wear the stuff thats trending 😂
why is this so dramatic lol
@@nothing-jl2dz I'm seeing this exact trend on Pinterest. Almost like clockwork I fall into ed Pinterest where the comments are borderline pro ana and no one says anything!!! Those coquette girl blogs where lana del ret quotes are put on top of pictures of Lilly rose Depp also encourage this type of behaviour, all the women in that aesthetic are white and extremely skinny
Well being thick was the beauty standard for awhile now and since plastic surgery and bbls became more accessible more people had the “unrealistic” body. Since beauty trends seem to be about what’s more rare or unattainable it makes sense the shift is happening unfortunately
Idk just a theory
This is actually such an interesting point though, I hadn’t considered it
This is exactly my thought too! I feel like as humans, we're never going to not have beauty standards because we seem to thrive on exclusivity , 'special'ness etc, so anytime something becomes popular and accessible the needle is going to change. You see it in fashion too, and both fashion and beauty standards are about superficial looks, so of course they're going to either trend or go outta trend.
The best response is to not give a f***, be comfortable in ur looks / not participate in beauty standards because we can't all fit a particular body trend or fashion trend at all times. But I think that's difficult for people to do, we all seem to yearn to be 'special'
This is exactly it. If everyone can be thick, it’s not special anymore. Celebrities are chasing the “otherness”, not wanting to be associated with commoness
During pandemic I lost A LOT or weight because I was just plain depressed and couldn't leave home. I wasn't eating at all, just coffee and maybe 1 (poor) meal per day and my health was so compromised even small cuts wouldn't heal. It was awful but what was worst was both my mom and boyfriend saying I looked great. They said I should stay like that. I remeber telling them "this isn't natural, I need to gain weight" and so far UP TO THIS DAY I am still hearing about how fat I am NOW. Now that I'm healthy and happy and eating normal amounts of food.
My point here is, this thin fashion affects your relatives, too. They will put pressure onto you looking a certain way because they don't stop and educate themselves about the implications. Anyways, thanks for reading my rant.
I’m sorry that happened to you and I hope you’re doing okay now
@@Casxa thank you. You're very kind
Ex-boyfriend, right?
I lost almost a stone (that I didn't need to) due to covid killing my appetite & giving me a weird full feeling all the time. I felt truly awful. My energy was completely sapped & I felt very unwell for about a month. Had to keep sliding down walls to the floor before I fell down, taking breaks during walks, falling asleep at random times & places but a family member's response, "Yeah but your cheekbones look great".
The really sad part is, while my first reaction was sadness & disgust that they'd completely dismissed how ill I felt, a small part of me took it as a kinda sick compliment, even though I didn't think I looked good at that weight. It's years of programming I guess.
Sorry your family aren't more considerate of your feelings & hope you're in good mental & physical health X
Please tell me you're far away from those poeple now..
hi, pharmacist from germany here. even in GERMANY where the health care system is excellent, we really felt the consequences of the abuse of ozempic. people need it to survive but can't get it because some privileged people want to follow another temporary body trend. makes me furious.
Hi from Spain. I have a question, don't those meds need a prescription? I'm not sure how's the deal here because I'm not a pharmacists, but almost every med you need here must be prescribed by your doctor, and you even need close control over some like Adderall. I'm not sure it's the case with this kind of medicine tho...
@@EfeFlet same situation in Portugal, this drug hás become scarce as doctors are prescribing it to nondiebetic patients ..
@@anamp1322 ahhhhh and why are doctors prescribing it for weight loss????? That's crazy I hope it changes soon so everyone can have their medicines safely...
@@EfeFlet ¡En España también se han reportado problemas con el suministro de algunos de estos fármacos! Al final tanta publicidad indirecta en redes ha aumentado muchísimo la demanda, más de lo previsto por la AEMPS, quizás no estén siendo tan rigurosos como deberían a la hora de prescribir, no lo sé, pero al final lo pagan las personas que realmente más necesitan esta medicación.
Wie kommen denn dann Leute an das Medikament wenn es ihnen nicht verschrieben wurde?
as someone who suffered through the tumblr era of pro-ana, i had to delete tiktok. I genuinely couldn't continue my recovery journey because all the alt/y2k stuff on my fyp suddenly became bodychecking whether it was announced as a trend or someone posing showing off their "outfit" but very clearly using the video as a body check. I worry for the teenagers consuming that content the way i consumed the tumblr pro ana content. Im 21 and I still hear that fucking kate moss quote in my head on bad days because tumblr engrained that shit in my brain. Its like I'm witnessing this content actively making other people insecure and i cant stop it and i wish i could because ive been there and it fucking sucks!!!!!!!! I'm 100% on the tiktok hate train
this!!!!!
Girl, I’m freaking 24 and I feel ALL of this! I was on pro Ana tumblr too it was so dark. I also deleted TikTok; unfortunately the shit is even on Pinterest so idk it’s insane
@@chidiogoikeh4550 I mean lots of people were concerned back then too
@@hectzen23 not in the same way.
I tried ozempic 3 years ago (because my mother is a fatphobic) and it took me almost a month to convince my mom to let me remove it. People don't lose weight because of ozempic per se, but because you're unable to eat because it makes people feel nauseated after a couple bits of food. My mother refused to believe me and my father had to try the ozempic himself to see if I was liying (he vomited the second day)
Believe me, it's not worth it if you're not diabetic
The exact same thing happened to me earlier this year and I completely agree, Ozempic made me nauseated to the point I was unable to do anything all day due to how terribly sick I was feeling 🙃 It was very confusing and honestly a bit heartbreaking to see that my own mom was willing to push something with so many side effects on me just for the sake of being "skinny"
Exactly! I'm so sorry to hear your mom was trying to pump you full of something that makes you sick for the sake of beauty. That sounds like child abuse at best. Actually having an illness that means you have to be on chronic meds that make you sick and skinny SUCKS! I would know. Watching yourself waste away due to illness is a thing, and it's horrible. Contrary to popular belief, it's nothing to be envied.
Holy shit, that is fucked up. I hope you are in a better place now.
Dear god that’s fucking awful. I’m so sorry you deal with such utter bullshit. Especially from parents, whom we’re so often told to obey and respect bc they’re supposed to protect us. I really hope you’re able to get out of there and flourish as a fabulous, independent adult person (speaking a little from experience as an adult afab person who left behind a toxic family situation 😅)
Sounds toxic-hope you keep them and their bullshit at a distance nowadays. As someone who’s fully stepped away from an emotionally and psychologically abusive parent I can only say that being on the other side is SO worth it
As an older gen Z (25), on the cusp of being a millennial, i grew up in the 2000s mainly but was heavily exposed to 90s stuff too and thin never left for me. Even when the 2010s came in and Kim K, i was still in the "thin is in". I spent my whole teen years with very troubled eating habits and body perception. I spent that decade being thin while people told me to eat a burger or two. And now since the pandemic i've become obese. Becoming obese has showed me how much my body dismorphia was severe. Because only now do i see that i was fine as i was. When i was thin i saw myself as i am today. Mind you i weighed 50kgs for 162cm. Which is totally normal. I think the thin obsessed era i grew up in is partially to blame.
I had exactly the same experience. I couldn't see my body right when I was a teen, and even if I wasn't fat I used to buy my clothes two sizes bigger because that's how I saw myself (I still don't understand it). I hope you're feeling better now :)
Literally same
Me toooooo
Actually 50kg on 1.62m is already bordering on underweight, so I‘m not sure I‘d call it totally normal. But I do hope that you‘ll come to a healthier perception of yourself and take good care of your body - we only have this one :)
Same for me.
thin never left haha. even my mom said in the 60s it was twiggy, theres always been a body type to "strive" for. on another darker note....can we talk about the rising price of food leading people to have to seriously think about their food intake? i know i have. i lost 60 pounds when my ex moved out and i had to pay double the amount of rent. i think its a bigger factor than most of us are realizing.
I'm sorry
I hope days become better for you
Yes! It also makes it harder to buy healthier food options our meat and dairy products are soooo expensive (experience in the U.S.)
Crazy how so many of these girls are trying to be the main character and have ended up the villans of their books instead. Imagine limiting a drug for diabetes cause u wanna be thin 🤦🏻♀️
i wouldn't entirely blame these people. the beauty standard is not their fault nor what the media feeds to them lol. of course, not a excuse, but an explanation.
(im copying and pasting another comment that i made regarding semaglutide). great video, but i’d like to give my opinion of your statement on ozempic. overweight and obese people should be prioritized for ozempic. there are significantly more overweight/obese people than type 2 diabetics (in the US) yet there are very few medications that target weight loss. of the medications available, many are unsafe and cause a multitude of side effects. there are a wide variety of medications to treat diabetes, including other GLP-1 RAs. obesity puts people at risk of developing many life threatening and disabling illnesses, including diabetes. prescribing ozempic to overweight/obese people prevents diabetes, among other diseases like kidney failure and heart disease. additionally, ozempic is indicated for use in patients with a BMI in the overweight category and a weight related condition, like high blood pressure or pre diabetes. i feel like the argument against prescribing semaglutide to overweight people stems from fat phobia, and the belief that fat people shouldn’t be given compassion for their condition because (others believe) it is self inflicted. the metabolic toll of carrying excessive adipose tissue is difficult to reverse, but ozempic offers a solution that drastically improves health and allows people to reach their goals without disordered eating. prior to taking semaglutide, i would restrict in an attempt to lose weight and end up binging and gaining it all back. ozempic allowed me to get out of this viscous cycle, and now my appetite is regulated and i eat healthy and well portioned meals. for some context, i did research on semaglutide at stanford university, have a bachelors in human biology and public health (and a minor in toxicology) from UC berkeley, am a third year medical student, and currently take ozempic. this is the common attitude among my med student peers and physicians i have worked with.
You make it sound like eating disorders aren't a thing
@@seductiveraven4895 exactly. it's these disorders that explain their behavior! and the fact that so many people liked the og comment worries me
I'm in my late 60s and remember the "Twiggy" movement. Her stick thin shape was my goal as a teen. I dieted and fasted but could never get that shape. (My family tree is a pear) Karen Carpenter was the first person with an eating disorder that I ever heard of. It took me most of my adult life to come to terms with my body and be comfortable in my own skin. Thanks for featuring this topic.
I naturally have a twiggy type for now, although I know you don't keep it as you age she didn't. Whenever in the curvy trend I felt self conscious my nan and her partner showed me twigs and the Mary quant look etc and I felt I had a look I could explore and feel confident. I think the harm is when young people fight for a body that isn't the one they've got. There's been enough decades and trends to find things that suit you even if it's not the one you'd have originally gone for!
I just wanna say, I’m someone who has been chasing the “thick” body type for at least 3 or 4 years. I am still thin and couldn’t get there as hard as i tried. Weight lifting 5 times a week + meal prep, school and a full time job. I just burned out. It wasn’t until a couple months ago that I decided to stop fighting myself. Whether thin is popular or not, I just wanna be happy with who I am.
same here, thank you for sharing with us
Good for you! You're already perfect! ❤
me too. 5 years thus far. im happy to see other women coming to the realization that we should appreciate our bodies the way they are. and also relieved to know im not the only one who has struggle to be thick all these years. it seems like it was never enough and I never was satisfied with how I looked. as someone who was bullied for having no curves, it was really hard to come to terms with the fact that I was never going to be as thick as the influencers. but funny enough, most of them use photoshop or its not real...
Same here
And have been chasing the thick body type for 7 years
I'm skinny and financially terrible can't even afford basic necessities anymore
i do think this is a case of mass hysteria. it might be because i'm east asian but the whole "skinny is most beautiful" mindset has never lessened or disappeared out of my life. my mother is the celery as dinner type of mother so skinny teas, bad dieting choices, constant fat-shaming and starving yourself for the holidays/events has been a constant. i was kind of surprised when i friend mentioned that skinny was back in because being underweight had never been "out" from my perspective. Nothing feels more extreme than usual so it's a little strange watching some people act like this is a huge change to the status quo.
(edit: fixed the bad grammar
Yh as a black girl this conversation is always so funny to me because skinny will never be in for black people. It’s been thick and curvy for a minute and I doubt it’ll change for a while
@Chidiogo Ikeh 🥀🍫 i always see comments like this, but if you were so sure it would never happen, you wouldn't even be entertaining this conversation. For example Asians living in Asia never talked about body positivity because they knew for a fact they wouldn't be participating and they didn't. But I see so many black girls online worried that society is going back to a "whiter" aesthetic, but if nothing is going to change, then why worry? The girls have been loving Lori Harvey and zendaya lately, so you never know, honestly.
@@TheBluestOfThemAll nah lol idk about America but I live in the Caribbean and one thing is for sure being skinny will never be the standard for black woman here
@@princessaroyale that's in the carribean. Heroin chic is more of a western thing
@@chidiogoikeh4550 same for latinas
I feel like skinny is always in. When I was in high school, it was all about the slim thick Kim K/Kylie body but even so, the pretty skinny girls were the ones to get most of the male attention🤷♀. So I just ignore the standards and do my own thing. Work to have the best body I can have that is realistic and healthy for me.
Edit: Also people keep saying that Kim K got her BBL reversed. This is false. She only reduced it. "Subtle" BBLs are still in. Just look at Kendal Jenner's BBL before and after pics.
Yeah same
Idc. I’m pushing 30 and finally know what fashion looks good on me, I am not falling into this trend trap. I will continue pursuing my own body goals
Agreed. I’m a mom now and 28 and feel like I’m already past the point where anyone cares what I do anymore, and it’s quite freeing. I can just live my life now. 😂
as you should 👑 live your life for yourself and not for trends
@@tessmoffett5512 that’s the best thing about getting older. You start caring less. That’s why incels predators misogynistic males like young girls because it’s easy to manipulate and groom.
As you should !!
@@tessmoffett5512 for me it has not been freeing the constant being judged for my looks,age and boys has been brutal and scary I hate it
I’ve been currently struggling with anorexia for about two years now I used to be 82 lbs but I’ve gotten so much better and I gained 10 lbs! It was really scary for me at first but knowing that I’m taking care of my body now and my mom telling me I look beautiful noe that I’ve gained and I’m glowing really helped me notice weight has nothing to do with beauty and I feel so much better now I hope u guys are proud I’m still trying! And if anyone struggles with an Ed I hope you get better soon and just know your beautiful inside out and you deserve to love your body because it makes you smile!! I hope everyone is doing well I hope everyone has a beautiful day!!❤️❤️❤️
U r awsome!😽🖖❤
@@mikionaruse thank you!’❤️
I think the influence of Asian beauty standards that the west has gotten from K-pop, k and c dramas etc is also a contributing factor to this. Once again people want to look thin and pale.
That’s such a good point! K-pop is more popular than ever and those Korean beauty standards are notorious for being practically unobtainable. I’m worried for younger people who are predominantly in those spheres and I hope people are able to step out of these standards and learn to accept their own beauty.
Of all places UA-cam shorts really pushes it. If you go through k-pop shorts they focus so much on the skinny bodies of idols
Regardless of trends, people will always find something wrong with you. I grew up conventionally skinny in the 2000s and I was never praised for my skinnyness, in fact it was the opposite. My boy crush in middle school told me I was too skinny and to eat more. People still to this day comment on my body and it has made me insecure as a result. I’ve tried for years to gain weight and would stuff myself with junk foods thinking that would make me gain. It wasn’t until this year that I’ve accepted my body for what it is and focused on food being fuel. So my take is that trends only count if you’re a celebrity or have a presence on social media. I don’t think everyday people are worried about keeping up with body trends.
Omg same, but this was in the early 2010s, i remember being 14 and though I ate really well and loved my body, I genuinely thought I had a genetic skeletal deformity because of my hip dips (I never saw them on any of the women with hourglass figures on social media). Boys called me flat ass when I was TWELVE like looking back, how is a child supposed to have a BBL body. It's all toxic asf I hope we don't go back
I feel like skinny shaming for us natural skinnies should be addressed to because it really hurts. I wear long sleeves cos of vascular arms and have ribs so people absolutely refuse to believe this is possible naturally. My friends all know I eat more than them and have endocrine issues possibly causing this.
Honestly same I remember all through middle school people would bully me for being skinny and even accused my parents of not feeding me 😭 it’s only now that I’m finally starting to gain weight
thats just sad, I hope your okay!
I'm sorry y'all had to deal with that bs growing up
The way your outfit is matching your outfit and makeup is so satisfying
Just wanna pop in here and say that as I a child my thinness was constantly praised. And when I hit the height of puberty at 15-16 I gained 'a lot' of weight and 'filled out' and that lead me down such a spiral of trying to diet and hide my fat when my body had just reached a new point. I wasn't even fat, I literally just gained 20 pound and now look like an average adult. It makes me so angry that teen me had to go through years of mental struggle to accept my body and wear clothes I liked because everything and everyone around me was stressing an unobtainable level of thinness
I'm going through t hat struggle right now.. I gained weight a few years ago during COVID, and I hate myself for looking back and idolizing how skinny my body looked.
@@COVID--kf3tx I understand you so much. If it's helpful, try not to hate a past version of yourself. Hate and healing can't coexist, try and be gentle and understanding with your past self. Self love is a long journy, and I'm right there with you. I wish you all the best
tbh, these trends only exist in the influencer/celebrity space.
if you walk into an highschool right now, you're gonna see all those trends that tiktok influenced claimed were "out of date" -- coming from a highschooler.
you'll see maybe like 2 or 3 people who dress "differently" (me) but no one is clawing at the new trends, no one really cares if your body is trendy
because all that shit only lives online
Agreed… Lot of this stuff takes money and a certain lifestyle, most of us are not participating nor aspiring to such ridiculous and arbitrary expectations 🍿
You are actually right , we teens don't have money to do that . Although my experience is that even though we don't have the currency we do fall into the trap of this body is attractive or cool or that being fat is ugly atleast where i am from. At the end of the day if u are skinny no matter how sick u are because of it u will always be valued like seen attractive but it's not same for any larger bodied person like me
So i really think that these trends online do affect the perspective of teenagers or highschooler
Exactly. Sometimes people need to put down their phones for a bit and see a bit more of reality 😭
interesting perspective, however i do genuinlly believe that this stuff is affecting our body images, even if ur friends don't talk about it/
Tbh I found it easier as a mid sized teen living through the early 2000s easier because that super skinnyness was for models and a small minority of people with those genetics. As I've gotten older with people in my age group having disposable income, time to dedicate pursuing the perfect body and control of their own diets (instead of whatever the family was eating) my peers look different now and it feels less separated from real life now. Coupled with the fat phobia in professional settings the pressure feels more intense.
I’m 41, so lived through the 80s up. Admittedly, I’ve never been overly interested in fashion trends, but I don’t remember thin ever going out of popularity. Sure hope it doesn’t go too far while my children are young and impressionable.
I think you’re in a great position to influence them in a positive way! Kids definitely pick upon their parents body image issues. So if you exemplify loving yourself and your body and body positivity, that will leave a great impression on them. My mom was always talking down about her weight and shape and doing unhealthy crash diets. This definitely impacted my self worth and idea of what o “should” look like, rather than teaching me there is no one set way we “should” look or one set weight we “should” be.
Yeah i think of gia carangi. Rip
As someone who needs Ozempic to manage my type 2, it's very very disheartening and frustrating to be told that my medicine is currently out of stock. To hear that a weight loss craze is the reason I can't get my prescription, it's a different kind of irritation.
As someone who lives outside of the US, being thin is still considered normal, being overweight is not glamorised or applauded. Even doctors tell their patients to lose weight if they start getting close to the overweight mark, and everyone who is heavier than normal is urged to exercise and do something about it. With kids and teenagers it's never been much of a problem, because you are obligated to do sports until uni. But old people are the ones that have the hardest time doing something about their weight. So they started opening more clubs for the elderly, to stay in good shape. And I'm quite glad that's the case. It's nice seeing people in their 70s/80s going to yoga, swimming, biking, hiking, skiing, etc. and not being stuck to a bed because they've just accepted their situation instead of doing something about it.
Please note: Osempic and Wegovy have severe side effects even when used on-label. And when you discontinue it you regain weight FAST. All of it. Most of the medical sphere acknowledges that this is a far from prefect medication that needs more development.
Great point - I've had patients prescribed it for its actual purpose (bg control) and elected to discontinue because the side effects were rather extreme.... I am worried (?) that those who do take these medications to lose weight will find it unsustainable, stop treatment, but then become overwhelmed by the quick weight gain - and then an extremely negative cycle begins....
I swear I once said TikTok would be the app to bring back this sh*t. The beauty standards of douyin becoming more relevant is just proof as well. It's not just the Y2K fashion, but also its Asian beauty standards slowly incorporating into western culture bc of the infatualization and constant appraisal of kpop idols. That's the thing that's starting to become to beauty standard not the 90's fashion only. And it doesn't help that the algorithm of tiktok(which has billions of users, meaning its very influential) is literally meant to push people that fit these standards on the FYP, meanwhile those who don't fit get little to no recognition bc the algorithm doesn't help them. That's why trends such as Gyaru become demonized and sexualized in order to make it seem like a bad or skimpy thing. But no one wants to have that conversation. (there's also a whole video explaining tiktoks algorithm if you search it up)
Very important observations.
i agree
Lol ‘bring back’? Can people think more critically? Beauty standards have ALWAYS EXISTED.
@@Imxel21 I think they mean "bring back" as getting major positive attention again
like instagram has definetly not been on the exact same bs too?
Thanks for talking about this topic. I've always had larger muscles than a lot of women/girls, and so as an athlete it really affected me in middle school that I could never achieve a mannequin's figure (I literally would compare myself to 'people' that weren't even human??) Luckily I've learned to embrace my body the older I got, but I still find myself unlearning a lot of behaviors based on wanting an incredibly thin frame.
Larger muscles on women (and everyone!) are awesome and beautiful, hope you're learning to love yours. ♥️
girl I would kill for a large frame!!! Your muscular potential is crazy, so jealous 😭
(I hope this doesn’t come off backhanded, I genuinely mean it because I adore lifting and the power muscles give you)
Nothing wrong with being built like Athena, nothing wrong with being built like Aphrodite :)
I remember that when I was younger I used to wish I were skinnier, even fantasized about getting sick to lose weight faster. Now I am really recovering from sickness, way under my healthy weight and I can’t help but reflect on how stupid that fantasy was. I can’t wait to be recovered and put on weight again. Thin isn’t pretty if it is not natural. And media has always pushed those kind of unnatural trends.
so true
Would our society just stop turning a body type into a trend?! People have different bodies, all beautiful. The fact that we alter ourselves to fit a trend is maddening.
Yeah... It's pretty limitating too.
I remember people in tumblr or wehearit actually sharing images with "Nothing tastes as good as skinny is" and me actually trying to actually take it seriously and repeating it to myself to lose weight 🙃🤦🏽♀️
it's "everything I eat destroys me" for me. ana blogs did a number on me
Yeeeess, I remember too!! Tumblr was very pro ana back then...
It should be. Nothing tastes as good as HEALTHY feels
also I know mina mainly deals with American and Western contexts and other people have made videos about this but I wonder how much of an influence of say, Kpop idols and their bodies have contributed to that specific kind of skinny body being more desirable again
a lot, atleast the skinny and glass skin trends
I used to be into kpop back in the 'earlier' days it became something in the western world (2009--2015) and I changed my beauty appearance for it. i embraced my thinness and went for that geisha pale skin look. I imagine it must have a lot more influence now given kpop is kinda mainstream here.
Absolutely, with these deadly diets and immense workouts,they're not only affecting their fans in a very dangerous way but also people around the world and most importantly themselves!
I was a teen in the 90s, and with an hourglass figure that didn't fit the preppy in crowd, I fully embraced grunge and was a fashion tomboy until probably my thirties. I truly thought traditionally feminine clothing wasn't for me. When I discovered my hourglass figure in my thirties it was like a revolution. What a shame I was convinced as a teen that dresses, skirts and fashion wasn't for curvy tall girls like me.
fashion is not designed for Hourglasses even if hourglass is always pushed as the most beautiful body.
@@gadeaiglesiassordo716 this is so true! Even if we’re the most “desired” body type/shape, regardless of weight, most fashion is designed for up and down rectangle shape bodies by gay designers. That’s not me being homophobic- it’s just the truth.
@@s_fashionlover usually fashion is intended for inverted triangles. You know big shoulders tiny waist and small hips. Simply becaus this is what manequino are.
@@s_fashionloverhow you know most of the designers are gays?
"nothing tastes as good as skinny feels" and "a second on the lips forever on the hips" damaged me for real, and I didn't even grow up then
Body trends are not as universal as media would like us to believe. I’m skinny and in my country I’ve been told to eat more, that I need meat in my bones etc, ever since I was a little girl I would get those comments, and I grew up in the 90s. I think culture, place and background has a lot more to do with certain beauty standards.
Exactly. No one has any sympathy for these situations tho. People will probably come to the comments now saying “well you benefit from it” or “u shouldn’t even feel that bad”. I’ve seen it so many times 💀
very true!
And then you come tino this video where people are constantly throwing around words like sickly, stick, etc, without realizing how hurtful they are for people who look like that. It’s almost like body trends aren’t the real issue. They just want to be the standards themselves.
@@lucy5009 Yes, I remember all my childhood I was trying to put on weight because of those comments but my physiognomy is thin. Yet, others are trying to lose weight because they are also criticized. I think sadly no matter the group or body trend one belongs to there will always be people that say things either to be hurtful or just without giving it much thought.
It seems like the best way to try and cope is knowing and accepting the fact that we can't be beautiful to everyone, there's different tastes and no matter how you look someone will always find a reason to criticize you. So better strive to be healthy and comfortable with oneself.
Spot on analysis. Capitalism is about creating needs/insecurities/crisis to profit off of, absolutely love your content
Literally how has Vogue not hired Mina to run all their cultural fashion commentary yet. hullooooo Anna Wintour is anyone home over there??
I do agree that skinny has always been in but when it comes to marketing it’s trying to be more subtle. You brought up a good point with the custom Muimui skirt made for the plus sized model. This whole consumerist take on health is getting really wild. I wonder if there’s going to be a resurgence of exploitative movies based on drugs. Sam Levinson is gonna be the top creator for it bet.
I take Ozempic as a type 2 diabetic and the side effects are absolutely horrible, idk how celebrities even manage to take it led alone talk about it like it’s some trendy new item on sale.
Same! The side effects are so disruptive and I would definitely ditch it so quickly if I didn’t have to take it
What are the side effects?
What are side effects? 😢
@@Roggerrabb1t for me its the nausea/stomach upset. Its like really really bad morning sickness 😬
@@Roggerrabb1t nausea, constipation, fever, low blood sugar, headache, tiredness, to name a few
Thank you for being so thorough putting this together. Working in a pharmacy we’ve been on back order on Ozempic, Wegovy, and Mounjaro for months because people are getting them for weight loss so a lot of our diabetic patients have been bouncing between lower strength otc versions.
That’s actually terrifying!
@@petyamiteva2382 It truly is! We can’t do anything cause more supplies are so overwhelmed they’ve stopped sending
WTF why don’t people need a proper diagnosis or something in order to get such meds???
Wait, if these meds are made to treat diabetes, how can these people acquire them so easily?
The side effects of these kinds of meds are no joke - I tried treatment for insulin resistance that involved this class of medication and never previously had kidney issues. After 2 months my kidneys started hurting every day, and even though I stopped, 2 years later I still have very painful kidney stones/sand almost always.
I think we should make literal Hero Chic a thing. Your aesthetic is someone you greatly admire. I pick Nancy Wake!
I was thinking dressing up as comic book heroes💀💀 just people walking around with giant letters on their chest🔥
I love your comment!
I wanna be like Betty White in Golden Girls!
Along the same vein, Virginia Hall! Total badass
Bring capes back in style
I still have BAD ptsd from being a teen model in the late 90s. ED was glamorised, agents telling me “the only slight curve we wanna see is from your butt” and a beautiful 17 year old co-worker model who looked like Sydney Sweeney was pressured into a breast reduction by agency and mother. I pray those days don’t return
A good history of heroin chic and its successors, with one little nitpick. I was in my 30s in the 90s. There was no "mass hysteria" over heroin chic. The vast majority of people never even heard about it. It's important to understand that newspapers, magazines, and now digital news and podcasts are about selling their product. And claims of "mass hysteria" sell. Always have, always will. Nitpick over. Also in the 90s, I was in the early years of my career as an English professor, and one of the assignments I routinely gave was to analyze fashion imagery and beauty advertisements. The kernel of the assignment was to show my students that the beauty and fashion industries work hard to create and stoke women's and girls' beauty insecurities, and then to offer their products as the solutions. Without women's insecurities, these industries would collapse. You got that absolutely right.
Your look in this video is absolutely fire. I love this shade of green on you!