RS422 Railgun Stress Test & BREAKDOWN in Helldivers 2
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- Edit: Armor penetration is 5/6/7 not 4/5/6 my bad, kinda slipped my mind with how little damage it does to anything at 5/6/7.
Just getting this video out there answering the burning question as to if the Railgun's buff was significant or not! This patch has certainly changed many things.. but how many actually did something?
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PATCH 01.000.300 - Ігри
Spent my whole 13 hours of Patch Day on this one, Railgun ended up being... an interesting subject to spend it on lets put it that way. Thanks for watching and as always my favorite comment will be featured at the end of the next video! Cya Next Time!
Need a guide on the autocannon.
You can strip charger leg in 2 but you need to be willing to go 90 ish. Not great but I still think it's better than before.
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Ouch, railgun truly was hammered. though it didn't make sense that gunships needs so many shots to actually take down considering its not even a heavy.
Curious if you would/could do a video detailing the sound radius of weapons. I don’t think I have seen that yet other than you mentioning it in each video. Would be nice to have them all in one video.
Community: Please buff this underpowered and over nerfed weapon
AH: Minor armor pen buff + Significant Stagger Nerf 👍
lmao
Yep, they won't ever buff this weapon out of stuborness, I've already lost hope this thing will be anywhere near decent ever again.
For real. Does it feel kinda better? Sure. But only being able to stagger things that already get one shot makes no sense. This patch was a funky one.
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@@neziaojuara1768 nah I wouldn't be so quick to judge. They probably just don't want the Railgun to be completely dominant again so they're doing small changes to make people test it out again to get feedback.
Notice how the senator got the exact change everyone wanted for it since launch? It's likely that these buffs have been lingering around for a while and were intended to be added after bug fixes. As they fix the games issues I think we'll see more frequent balance patches like this one.
Basically it functions like the AMR without the accuracy, a longer reload, and less utility at range.
The 1 headshot vs 2 headshots is the notable difference atm
And without taking up a backpack slot
@@EravinVT Very true but the AMR has no delay in the follow up shots with a 6 ammo mag. It can destroy turrets and tanks better hitting the vent than the rail gun as by the time you reload that turret is looking at you.
you can actually fn aim it though
And amr can’t strip chargers
How it started: Rail gun is best gun. How it's going: I'm going to bed. 😅
lmao
Railgun is Bad Gun cause there’s no Fun with Railgun 🥹
@@EravinVT feels bad man 😔. I hope it’ll still have its uses as button pusher for the 15min scientist evac, but that’s about it.
"courageously advancing in the opposite direction". good one.
We never retreat!
All engagements are to serve the purposes of Liberty. If there are other things to do that result in greater Liberation, then advance towards those other things.
Living to spread Democracy another day is surprisingly often on that list of greater sources of Liberation.
I wish the devs would just remove the railgun and rebuild it from the ground up because it has such a huge identity crisis.
Even if the damage and penetration was S-tier, it would still not *feel* powerful, since it is just a weak "pew", enemies don't get staggered and even if you hit they just topple over and die. It needs better sound and VFX design to actually make it feel good.
It's a goddamn railgun, pretty much the epitome of "powerful sci-fi- weapon", and we actually see that in the orbital railcannon. It looks cool, has visual (and actual) impact and actually feels like a superfast projectile demolishing whatever is unlucky enough to get hit by it. So why isn't the railgun just the scaled down version of that?
Why does such a powerful accurate weapon only have a basic red-dot when it is actually more like a artillery/sniper weapon? It needs variable magnification scopes.
Why does it have a slow projectilevelocity? If we ignore the shitty ingame excuse "the portable version is just not powerful yet" (in which case: Why is it manufactured at all?), it should be *the*
weapon with the highest projectile velocity in the game. It should be so fast you don't even have to lead your shots at a distance of 500 m! Again, the orbital railcannon does that so much better: You see the targetting laser locking onto the taget and then boom, not a second later the strike hits. Whereas the normal orbital artillery takes a while to reach your target.
Real-life railguns produce a trail of flames behind them due to their insane velocity and cause explosions when they penetrate through a target due to the sheer force of impact that's unleashed... Why do the in-game projectiles just disappear into the enemies with minimal visual effects?
That's sad. I really like the high-risk, high-reward aspect of the railgun, but in the current iteration, the reward isn't there...
Yeah, the only reward I felt today was the three hour nap following my audio recording session
Literally no point seeing the other content creators when your breakdowns are so thorough. Good job bruh ❤
appreciate that, i'll try to stay worthy of such high regard :D and thanks for watching
not to be that guy, but a great youtuber if you just want to look at STATS and TABLES is Ryken XIV. Great videos that summarise tons of content at ones. Not saying that stealth master Eravin is bad or anythinhg
Be quiet my guy or the devs gonna nerf him too
@bigsadge747 : says "not to be that guy", then proceeds to be That Guy.
@@PaperMage236 thats why i said but fool
Quick note in the exploding factor of the gun, i was doing some quick tests earlier and wasn't paying attention so the gun blew up in my hands yet surprisingly, my hands were still there. Did this again and turns out it'll deal 50% of your HP if you have the Fortified perk which can be handy for those who are just learning the weapon and don't really have the times down pat.
that's kinda funny, didn't think to try wearing fortified with it but good tip, was off my game today
Exploding should never be a problem. But a neat nugget of information
So... Even self-damage got nerfed? Poor boy
I also did this, I had fortified heavy armor and a shield pack so I wasn't sure if those other factors helped.
@@EravinVT Ah it's all good, it's pretty niche and might be a bug the devs haven't caught cause no one's been using the railgun lol
Im still wishing the grenade pistol at least got 2 per ammo box
Kinda insane it doesn’t
Or grenade packs filled its grenades.
No, we got the opposite. Now the grenade pistol can't 1-shot striders, so expect to burn through ammo even faster. Lucky us.
@@Keithslawinski it still can, it's just trickier. Which sucks and can be inconsistent but they still can be one shot
Thanks for suffering to share this info with us. I knew this wouldn't change anything just reading the notes, and after playing today it sure didn't feel much better. You can kill chargers slightly faster now, but you don't get a stagger... I don't know what compelled them to provide a nerf alongside a small buff to the weapon, but it sure feels like they don't want to admit they overnerfed this weapon. I really want to enjoy using it again, but I just feel like I'm not helping my team enough when there's better options I can take.
Yeah I want to enjoy railgun but it's overnerfed and dated compared to the enemies that have entered the game and competing weapons in the support slot
The devs have been increasing the "hard armor" targets to the game while slowly removing hard armor damage from support weapons. Factory striders need structure damage, gunships need structure damage.
Additionally weapons that ignore armor have also all seen debuffs in the form of enemy buffs. Striders now resist explosions more, explosion weapons are all getting their AoE reduced, the arc thrower lost its range, and now its stagger. EATs now struggle to 2-shot bile titans with updated hit boxes.
The aggregate result is that any "buffs" are being offset by enemy changes and additions, and all of our old orbitals and eagles are failing to make up the difference.
I ended up loosing a lvl5 mission to a single gunship when I took the railgun. No non-support weapon strat can harm a gunship, nor primary weapon. I basically got killed, then spent the next 5 minutes being hunted down and blown up every time I tried to get my railgun back until I ran out of lives because I had nothing that could actually harm it.
@@Keithslawinski actually, the eruptor can harm a gunship - it can one-shot a gunship if you hit the right shot. difficult, but its doable.
When I bought the game, I was in awe observing people using the rail gun.
Then I made my way level 20, saving up slips to buy it - next day, it was nerfed to utter worthlessness...and it obviously still is 😢
Sadness
The problem seems to be that the devs rubber-band with their balancing ethos. They over-nerf powerful weapons, leaving them in a bad state to the point that other weapons fulfill almost every function the nerf'd one originally did and if they _do_ provide some kind of buff again, they either nerf some other trait (keeping it bad in spite of the buff) or the buff is so inconsequential that it makes no difference.
They see people talk about how good it is, then butcher it without really thinking, then get scared about buffing it back up because they think it'll be too powerful again.
There was a lot of very incremental nothing burger changes this patch unfortunately, there were some big Ws such as Senator Speed Loader, Crossbow becoming the stealth weapon of my dreams, and the arc Blitzer becoming absolutely insane. But the other changes were so incremental they didn’t even change a breakpoint despite shifting damage numbers
This is why I can't stand when people are bothered by the valid criticisms lobbied towards this patch. They all say things like, "You're seriously complaining about nerfs? Did you see the laundry list of buffs?"
What buffs? They were almost all inconsequential or paired with a nerf of equal weight. I just wanna see this game thrive, but the devs seem to enjoy shooting themselves in the foot.
I'll agree that the Railgun was over nerfed, but what else has ever been hit that badly or seen rubber banding on? Most of this patch, and past patches too, have been fairly incremental overall.
@@Legendary_Honey Conversely, most of the nerfs are meaningless as well. Even the quasar cannon everyone can't stop complaining about is borderline identical in practice. Straight up most of the actually meaningful changes are all the buffs, because at least you're going to notice them. The eruptor and xbow don't count as the 'nerfs' to their explosion are amplified tenfold by how Striders behave now
This patch is downright puzzling, it changes way less than it seems.The main thing it changes was make striders ten times harder to kill and make the community a billion times more toxic. Genuinely, why did they even bother with the weapon balance when most of it makes no difference except make people on discord whine about nerfs?
@@ExValeFor "and make the community a billion times more toxic"
I think that might just be the norm for this game when it comes to balance changes. Since it is a PvE game, gamers have a mentality that almost nothing should ever get nerfed. But this produces an issue from a developer standpoint; any time you overshoot a weapon, all weapons now need to match it, and now while you are trying to get weapons to match it, another can overshoot; and it all can get really out of hand really quickly. And then what do you do when an enemy that was supposed to be a specific type of threat, no longer is; now you either need to make a whole new enemy to fill the old role, or fix it some other way. All in all a whole headache.
The best the devs can ask for over the next several months is to still have a fun game, but with more weapon variety. With the complaints about different nerfs and buffs being lost to time.
a video explaining armor values and hardness would be greatly appreciated😊
plan to get to this one day
@@EravinVT can't wait!
I can see what the Devs were getting at with thr Railgun, it doesn't do a lot of damage because it's not an explosive, high calibre projectile like the 84mm HEAT shells of the Recoilless, it's a small, high velocity solid bullet, realistically it'll only damage what it smashes through, it should reward accuracy even more, maybe with a longer range scope, and with a bit more stagger (and probably higher muzzle velocity)
I'd also appreciate if we got more Ammo-type Backpacks, like a backpack that hooks up to energy weapons (mainly lasers, arc and the Railgun) to allow better charge up speeds or none at all and a slight increase in damage, that sounds like a cool choice to make for a dedicated build
Or, what about a shoulder fired variant of the Railgun? Slightly more spool up, maybe a three round magazine, with Autocannon ergonomics but actual anti tank penetration, with the caveat that it needs a battery backpack
Honestly I’d be content if it could just keep up against gunships. It’s an unavoidable extremely oppressive enemy, so not being able to handle them well really stinks
@@EravinVT
Assuming that they have a pilot (I feel Hulks already do, when their faces blows up they leave an awfully-person-shaped hole) it would make sense that you'd be able to one shot a gunship by shooting the cockpit dead on but shooting the engines would take more, Railgun is in a weird spot, but I'm enjoying it atm, wasn't a big fan of the Meta on release
Also, why don't gunships have destroyable rocket racks like the Rocket Devastators? I know it wouldn't really do a significant amount of difference, but it'd be nice if a missed Autocannon shell breaks the rocket launchers, just as a bit of help and immersion
IRL railcannons actually are explosive upon impact due to the sheer kinetic energy it packs, they literally don't even need an explosive warhead on it, just an iron slug can exceed a hi-explosive cannon shot
its OP irl and is balanced by only can be fired only a few times before the barrel burns and melts itself, and is expensive AF for how power hungry it is.
Come on devs, just revert the original nerf wholesale
thats what they should do
Just giving the stagger back is all I ask. The lack of damage versus the hardest targets is fine, as long as we can support by staggering
Sad times
I've noticed a trend of the devs slowly removing support weapons abilities to deal with "hard armor", and it is getting frustrating. With gunships and factory striders there are now WAAAAAAAAAY too many enemies that are immune to medium armor pen, AND when you can pierce it, you are dealing with "structural damage.
Arc thrower got a distance nerf so it can't damage gunships
Laser cannon just got a structure damage nerf after players found out it was amazing at taking out structures.
The railgun is seemingly WORSE than the AMR at dealing with structures which makes no sense.
All this is frustrating, but it would be manageable if the stragagems could offset this power vacuum, but there is not a SINGLE orbital/eagle that can take out a gunship, 110mm have shit accuracy and that doesn't seem like its getting better, and the new airburst is basically a troll against airborn targets.
Despite all the "buffs" given to other weapons, the devs rarely give an increase to the ability to hurt hard targets, and seem to only be adding more hard targets to the game (in the form of mission objectives and enemies). IF anything, outside chargers, the game has only gotten more difficult on every front.
If the devs played above 6 I’d be very impressed. Their decisions don’t feel like they understand how the game works at 9
Arrowhead seems to want to retain the feeling of fear players had when they were new to tank enemies. But instead of making bigger badder enemies, they’re making helldivers weaker to induce a similar feeling.
Tank enemies have a powerful presence in this game not because they are overwhelming battlefield threats, but because Arrowhead doesn’t like that experienced players can efficiently take them out, and in turn makes the most effective weapons against tanks less effective.
Against Bots, its a no-go, why? It does ass damage against the Gunships, meanwhile the AMR and LC will rip through them.
The only advantage the railgun has is the damage to the Hulks, it loses to the other two at:
Killing tanks
Devastators
Laser Cannon Turrets
Factory Walker
Small mob clearing
Opening Crates.
I HIGHLY advise you avoid using this gun until they buff the use against structures, but who knows if they will, as they seem anal about it right now as they even made the LC (Laser Cannon) take longer at killing the Laser Cannon Turrets than it use to take.
Yeah it’s very weak atm besides its one hulk wonder trick
Finally someone explains and shares my love for the railgun. I’ve said since day 1 that the railgun and rail cannon, due to science behind it, are my favorite things to use. Great vid! Got my sub.
Was gonna try it out sometime soon, but now I'm definitely not. So thanks for saving me the time and inevitable frustration!
Glad I could help! and thanks for watchin
Thanks for putting in the work man🙏
No problem 👍thanks for watchin
this is an amazing breakdown of the new railgun. thank you for making this.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!
List of improvement to the Railgun:
* Better optics (must)
* Variable Zoom (current, 100 m and 200m) (must)
* Higher damage against Gunships in particular to combat them (whether through better armor penetration or damage value doesn't matter)
* Higher Stagger against targets that can survive a weak spot shot (interrupting Bile Titans when they puke can give teammates room to focus fire against it)
The focus here is on the Railgun being able to compete with the AMR in a similar role. So just make it better against targets that are in the category of heavy armor, but still numerous enough that you don't want to use a 500 KG or Orbital Precision strike every single time you encounter them. Because of the bugs using swarming tactics they will just be a worse matchup IMO. Bots are the preferable matchup because they stay back (except the Scorcher Hulks...) and the strongest feature of Railgun against bots right now is it can one-shot Hulks.
Im pretty sure your info about penetration level is incorrect, railgun now has level 5(heavy 1) penetration in safemode
As it is now(once again) capable of damaging charger legs in safe mode (albeit at 50% dmg and therefore taking 5shots to strip armor due to only matching the armor rating)
and because of that you only need to charge the railgun just a bit over safe mode to reach level 6(heavy 2) penetration and two shot charger leg armor
Came to say this. You need AP4 to faceshot a hulk which Railgun could previously do in two shots, now it's 1 shot. Since it's above armor instead of matching, it's doing the full 600 damage instead of 300.
Also means it can safe mode hit a charge, impossible with less than 5.
True, slipped my mind with how dog water it performs against 5/6/7 class armor. Corrected in the description. Changes nothing about the results however so no harm done
It's puzzling. The only non-massive thing with 5 armour or more I can think of is hulk faces. Hulks suck but not so much that I'd like railgun's 600/120 over AMR's 450/135 or even Autocannon's 260/260 + 150/150
For chargers it is actually 2 high charge shots to the leg to remove armor, or 3 to head to kill it. It's decent.
That’s.. in the video, I just say 3 kills through the leg which implies 2 is removed armor
@@EravinVT I see, I misunderstood that point. Thanks for all your video's, they are great.
@@EravinVT I think it may be a good idea to specify the number of shots needed to strip armour from chargers since it's often better to strip the armour then change weapons and blow the leg off rather than keep trying to hit the head or use your support weapon to blow the leg off (assuming you were aiming for the head and hit the leg by mistake the first time)
I think you should also look into how effective weapons like the railgun and arc thrower are in combination with other stratagems such as the 500KG or EAT. Bile Titans for example normally take an eternity to kill with either weapon, but after an EAT headshot or 500KG they can be finished off quite rapidly with either weapon allowing you to save your second EAT for another BT or perhaps an incoming charger. (the same applies to shrieker nests, 1 EAT plus 5 railgun shots to kill IIRC saves quite a bit of time when clearing them from a distance)
I do wish they'd make the railgun hitscan though, and bring back the stagger. it's nowhere near as good as it used to be, but it's definitely a solid B tier support weapon imo. there's better and there's worse.
I'm sorry but 2 shots to the leg is NOT decent That's actually a joke cause you still gotta shoot the leg afterwards. not ideal when getting chased by two+ chargers and swarms of bugs. im sure on medium mission where chargers are the target its "decent"
seriously should be one shot to strip leg armor.
that would make it a much more convenient pick without being broken for bugs, theres no reason to defend it like it is right now. stripping armor to shoot weak spots is great way to play but right now the game actively punishes you for playing that way for chargers, especially when AT can one shot the head instead of shoot legs. and the 3 headshots 2 leg shots were already a thing prepatch. which goes against the video discussion about how the "buffs" helped it
@@petercottantail7850 The AP buff made the 2-shot on the leg slightly faster, as you don't need to go to full charge anymore. The ease of kill is roughly equivalent to the Autocannon, another generalist support weapon that can be used vs Chargers and medium enemies too. And you can reload on the go after killing one Charger, unlike the RR / EATs. You could argue for more buffs, but it's not terrible, especially strange seeing the negativity considering how people were happy with the Arc Thrower's TTK on Chargers, they're really pretty similar.
Also, if I'm correct in understanding that the Railgun can now pierce through Heavy Devastator shields again, I think its value there is being undersold a little as well, being able to take on Hulks, Striders and Devastators is the majority of Automaton engagements.
Thanks or suffering for us. I obviously don't test as well as you do, but from what I saw, the Plasma Punisher came out of the patch the best. Very surprisingly. You already made a video on it once so it'd be weird to redo it so soon, but I recommend trying it out to see what I'm talking about, because most people like myself avoid that weapon, and now it's my go-to.
Yeah plasma punisher I already rated very high so with the buffs its now no longer sleeper strong just strong
Thanks for suffering for us eravin.😂
I’m tired boss
Great content. You saved me a lot of time and suffering with the rail gun.
I did my part xD!
I literally searched for this a few hours ago.
I love that it 1 shots dominators even with bad aim but not killing striders or gunships is really bad. You can make it work with EAT against bots.
Against bugs it might be better since you can 500kg titans and if they survive just shoot out their sacs and hope that kills them. It 2 shots charger leg armor and 3 shots them to the head which isn't too bad but the flammenwerfer is so much better.
Yeah it’s just a near miss anyway I look at it up against its peers. Likely needs another touch up before people use it much again
If it makes you feel better, I'm pretty sure Joel still has nightmares about the old Railgun.
Likely
HANDS DOWN BEST GUIDES!!! Love the content keep it going ^^
That being said.. are you going to do another vid for the crossbow ? If not.. what is your opinion on the changes ? For me as a crossbow main.. it's really really bad now.. feels like the unwanted child of the scorcher and dominator. Poor ammo economy, aoe, damage breakpoints.
I'm absolutely doing a new crossbow related video tomorrow! It's my favorite weapon now hands down and the standard issue for the Ghost Divers
Thanks for the vid. Broke my heart 😔
Broke my sleep schedule 🤣
Do you think you can take a look at the Diligence and Diligence CS? Would like to see your opinion on these considering they also lean towards a more methodical, aim heavy playstyle.
My Diligence CS video holds up in it's entirety besides the ergo. The extra 12 damage changed no major breakpoints!
@@EravinVT So it's basically a range buff
effective range buff yeah
@@EravinVT Though it does consistently 1 headshot Devastators now, or maybe I'm high and I need to check again
Ergonomics buff is huge to me
Able to get good headshots effectively now
I've had a lot of fun cutting the Rocket and Heavy Devastators in half, find it much more safer and reliable to peek boom reload and repeat. However what it lacks is anti air against gunships and also it takes too long pop cannon turrets. I could make that up by using the Eruptor though 😁
The two targets it owns it does it better then anything else in the class, but the rest...oof
I’ll take the scorcher over the eruptor for those two job tbh.
The funny thing about the Railgun's overcharge explosion is that it's survivable if you're wearing *any* armor with the Fortified passive. Apparently this has been a thing since forever but I did some testing for a few hours and yeah the explosion doesn't instantly kill you as long as you have armor with Fortified.
The explosion is also survivable with any Heavy armor, with or without Fortified so I guess that's an extra point for people who like running them :p
But besides the interaction it has with Fortified armor the buff feels pretty insignificant, and to tack on a nerf to its staggering potential? Jeez AH do you guys just hate the Railgun or what? While the increased penetration does help a bit in some enemy interactions it hasn't made the Railgun any better, it's still completely butt at destroying structures and other hard enemies and with the stagger nerf it's almost worse at fighting the enemies it's actually good against.
Just give the Railgun an actual buff and admit the original nerf was uncalled for AH -_-
Basically this
This Helldiver salutes you for your sacrifice.
This thing needs scaling stagger and projectile speed as you increase the charge if it doesn't have that already; Or just a full overhaul to make something that should excel at taking out heavy targets actually viable for that.
Also this thing seriously needs a better scope
Despite all this I switched from quasar cannon to the railgun and I haven’t regretted it. My other friend runs a quasar and with the nerfs to it the railgun is perfect for dealing with devsators and hulks (and orbital railgun for those pesky tanks) while he focuses on high priority targets like gunships, dropships and factory striders. TLDR railgun + quasar combo is god tier agenst bots . + it looks sick
I've only been using it against bugs but the past couple of days I've actually been warming up to the railgun again. Though, not because it's actually that strong but I've been finding it feels like how the Autocannon is to the bots. Moderately good against all the medium tier enemies, and situational against the heavier ones. Which is nice since the autocanon's usefulness against bugs really depends on if bile spewers are present since it's not great against Chargers and I don't think it can solo kill a Bile Titan? (though it will take care of the sacks nicely). Since the railgun can one tap spewers still it's filling that similar flex role and while not great against Bile Titans I have followed up with the rest of the time's fire power to finish some off. It's a little more mobile than the autocannon to which helps against bugs; it's an excuse to run the supply pack to which is nice because bugs certainly can force more stims and nades out of ya than bots.
I ran a funny 'manual reload' build of punisher(stock)/senator/railgun/supply pack and it's got a tool for every bug in the bunch.
The railgun is like, on the edge of being pretty good again. There's a laundry list of things that could be done to improve it but nothing needs to move by miles, just a few yards here and there.
I've been triyeng out the railgun recently and so far, the AMR feels better to use, and besides RG being able to penetrate heavy armor, the AMR can kill the same medium Armor targets with less effort
the charger legs can be broken in 2 unsafe shot and after that you can use regular weapon to kill it
I feel like that’s implied atleast to some degree, but it’s really not a difference maker either way
@@EravinVT and there also some funny thing the penetrating enemy behind target someho.w sometime it does sometime its not
dang i really wanted a breakdown on the FS vs RG matchup, especially if it strips armor. i've seen armor being stripped of the forehead of factory striders, and that new weak spot could apperently be damaged by medium armor pen weapons. oh and i'd love to know if it strips armor of other spots as well, like possibly the legs.
I always got the notion that the railgun was for destroying armor and not direct dmg, so i hoped that one of the most complex enemies were delved more into, especially since it feels like the railgun's goal is more to assist in killing than actually killing.
Basically it was very bad at doing all of that due to the structure damage. Anything you’ve seen do it previously, did it better
@@EravinVT guess im gonna look up what structure damage is then. thanks for the heads up!
Imagine being Arrowhead Studios, making a really good weapon in the Railgun, placing it in the final batch of support weapon unlocks at level 20, then deciding to make it one of the worst guns in the game. All the effort people go through to access this “late game” weapon only for it to feel awful to use.
I love how you haven’t panicked yet about the patrols increasing on Helldive difficulty. You’d think the earth was caving in with the other content creator’s. Like OMG how will they farm samples. 🤭
You should definitely do an in-depth video on the Pistols; I hear the Peacemaker can actually one-shot light bots in the head now.
Also, the DCS can now one-shot devastators in the face. *_Devastators._* So good...
Peacemaker could before it’s just more reliable now due to fall off at range
That’s how it should be; if your aim is good enough and you’re willing to sacrifice ergonomics and magazines, then you should be able to make short work of medium targets
@@EravinVT
Ah, so that's why l was having issues one-shotting those bots before; hope it's much more lenient now.
@@saltire_2825
I agree, that's why l love this DCS buff.
Thank you! 🙏 I was hoping it would do better against gunships and factory striders. Looks like it improved a little there but not enough to consider it a viable choice against those units. I mean some primaries outperform it by a lot when it comes to gunships and factory striders. When fighting Automatons it feels like a nerf to me with stagger reduced. I don't need a safe shot to kill a hulk. Why even bother using a safe mode anyways? If you miss weakpoint while fighting a hulk with unsafe mode, at least you do body damage. Before it would stagger hulk's and other units which helped a lot. Now with the stagger gone it feels even weaker.
Overall very little changed with it positively while the missing stagger had a very pronounced impact. Definitely an overall unremarkable change
Honestly, it would be a viable pick if they kept the stagger. That way it doesn’t kill heavies but still sets them up for your team
Taking the stagger away was just bizarre when the buff wasn’t even significant
It feels great. Idk how it fairs vs atats yet, though. It was 4 to kill a front mini gun which was shitty, lol. Still could use an audio cue for full unsafe
I had to go through so many other videos to get a good video that breaks down the railgun like you did. Awesome info
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!
If you want to circumvent the inconsistant charge times (and save ammunition) you can use a macro with the charge time of 2975ms. Technically it charges to 2990ms before exploding but this is unreliable for some reason. Charging to 99.5% doesn't change the fact that the gun does crappy in general on heavier targets but I have noticed there is a slight increase in structure damage, It usually takes 1-2 less shots than 90% to take down a heavier target. Macros are cringe but if you want to use the gun, this definitely makes it more viable.
Right after the update. wow
I usually play in a full squad and most of the teammates bring the dedicated AT like Eats and Quasars.
So knowing this gun is very effective against annoying ads like Devastators and Berserkers will probably make me use it more. And I'm too noob with the AMR and I don't like the ergonomics of it.
I feel like this weapon would only really be useful for Bots though. Plus a Stun grenade and a eye hole shot on a Hulk makes it trivial.
Grenade pistols can deal with Fabs and the Scorcher can takedown gunships.
I do wish its penetrating was way higher so Chargers legs can be shot with 2 shots instead of 3.
It’s one true claim to fame is the 1hko hulk headshots in an ease of access unseen elsewhere besides a recoilless or EAT. But its struggle against other heavy units while being redundant with strong primaries that clear Devastators makes it very underwhelming currently
@@EravinVT Yeah. I still think it needs more. It's definitely a bit better than before but I hope they either give it stronger damage or just make it a primary even.
2 shots at least strips the leg armour though which makes the charger pretty vulnerable to die from anything.
I have brought it back to my load out against bots, my team and I always loaded out for super heavy. With this update I can change my load out and help with Devs and Hulks, it takes a lot off their plate. It was when we get swarmed by devs and hulks that we’d get bogged down a bit, now we are flying through them.
I was wondering, can you do a vid on the factory strider going over ideal ways to kill them with both stragems and weapons? Maybe this would be a series worth starting for high tier enemies?
I've seen several of my peers covering this topic so i've abstained from it for the most part, my go to methods for getting rid of these are also very hammer and less scalpel so my knowledge on what precision can bring them down is very limited other then the belly being class 3 armor. I always take the path of least resistance fighting them or leave them be as they are very slow
@@EravinVT I see, makes sense. Who would you suggest covering this style of breakdown?
Id like to make and addendum and say that the charger legs are now back to being two shotted by two well charged shots
Don't think that's the case, the armor comes off but they do not die
@@EravinVT oh misunderstood. I'm so used to the routine being rip off with two shots and then pull out a primary and shot it that I misunderstood lol
Understandable, it slipped my mind to even mention the classic 2 and primary dump just because we’ve had so many faster kill options develop since that strat was common
I actually liked it against bugs when I tried the railgun last night after the changes. Still can one shot the titan in the head during his spit. The medium enemies look cool too when they just explode.
I’ll need to try it again vs bots tonight. I struggled with it, was hard to hit shots and I ended up just switching to the laser canon and testing that out.
The bot map was pretty obscured in terms of vision so nah r that’s why j couldn’t anything.
If it can deal with Hulks and chicken legs, that's all I need to know. Having easy ways to deal with those and having quasars on the team as well to deal with the rest will really take the pressure off the newly nerfed quasar and keep my grenades in my pockets where they belong.
It is the best in the business for hulks bar none, that trick it atleast does have
I think the rail gun definitely has a place but needs more buffs.
If it was 2 shots to kill a charger and a bot plane it would be ideal.
Also the it can HURT bile titans meaning you can use 3 to 4 shots after a missed 500 kg bomb or some quasar shots from team mates and kill it.
It is very significant as it helps cross damage thresholds.
Yeah it’s like, slightly off being in a good spot. Just one more touch up
Used to love the Railgun for Automatons! It was my go-to cause I could one shot devastators and hulks as long as I stayed calm. Teammates loved it too cause it kept the devastator pressure off of them. But now with the Striders and gunships its just not worth it. My favorite is the Spear now believe it or not.
Yeah I really wanted the spear lock on fix above all but sadly no dice yet
Redunk the one gun classically known for massive penetration in exchange for smalll area of damage... is so bad at it.
Honestly I still dont know what to use in my back slot. I've often just gone in without anything lately and found it (Granted i play on 7 or 8 most of the time. not 9). If i take something in its been EAT. Except after this last update a really annoying thing is when I fire and drop it. I no longer take my primary out. I take my secondary out (and then grenade myself).
I dont know if that was a glitch or a change. but before it would just go to whatever weapon i had out last
This could (emphasis on could,) be one of many buffs to the gun, but they're implementing these changes at an glacial pace.
Completely agree. There’s no reason to ever use the railgun against either enemy type given the other options you have, even after the “buff”. I’m convinced they have a grudge against the rail bc it was the first “meta”, it’s so stupid. The original function and power of the rail gun at launch would fit well in the game today. Even if they thought it would be too powerful then drop the mag count or increase the shot amount to strip armor a bit, that’s all that was ever needed. Instead they made the rail pointless and a burden to ever consider using on higher difficulties. So dumb. 🤦♂️
The railgun will strip charger legs in two slightly overcharged shots, same as when the gun was first released
Yep
All they need to do is give it a smidge of a damage buff so it can at least 2 shot chargers to the head and itd at least have a reason to exist.
Fun fact! Quasar, EAT and Recoiless do 650 damage. With tier 6 pen at the correct angle.
The Railgun USED to do 600 damage with tier 6 pen at the correct charge level.
This means they 100% nerfed the railguns damage with the railgun nerf because if the railgun did the same amount of damage then it would be able to at least 2 shot chargers to the head.
They dont need to revert the damage entirely. But just enough.
Eravin explains this much better and explains how its structure damage specifically in the video(which effects enemies as well, theyre just referred to as "structures" due to armor level).
But just a simple explanation for people who didn't watch
It’s durable damage “damage vs structures” which is a separate other hidden value was reduced to ashes. The original 600 ballistic is here, but the 600 structure is not
@EravinVT yeah I forgot about that.
Edited my comment in kind!
Thanks for the testing.
Really hope they undo that or at least partial undo it.
I just wanna 2 shot chargers man :(
Just my two cents, if it could 2-shot Chargers I don't think anyone would ever use Quasar, EAT or Recoilless for bugs ever again. The ease of those 2-shots would far outweigh a 1-shot then resupply (EAT) / static reload (RR) / 10s cooldown (Quasar).
@newspiked7385 you are forgetting the fact that EAT/RR/Quasar are LEAGUES better at dealing with bile titans, tank, factory striders, cannon towers... etc etc etc. Railgun may as well not exist vs them. Not to mention how much better they are at taking out things like shrieker nests and spore spewers
Chargers are farm from anyone's biggest threat unless all you play is diff 4
@@TheCosmicAstro- guess it depends on how you use your strats. For me I'm pretty happy to use my strats for the heaviest targets as long as my support weapon can handle everything else. Even when I run EAT/RR/Quasar, I think I'll only go for a Bile kill with it if I've used up all my strikes or as a finishing blow. Especially if I know every Charger is a 2-shot, that's 2 or even 3 strats I can dedicate solely to Bile Titans, that's plenty.
In a sense, I kinda understand how they don’t want it to break armor like a rocket. But it def needs a more defined role in exchange
Thanks for the tests, but I would like to know more
How are u able to 4 shot a tank turret to the heatsink?
I literally stood on top of isolated annihilator tanks on several occasions, and it took me ~8 rounds of 90%+ charge to the heatsink in first person mode to kill it
Is there an issue with hitting it from the top ?
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Funnily enough, about factory striders, after I removed the cannon turret and the gatling guns, it took me ~8 shots to the eye to drop it
It took so many more shots to the under belly I've lost count
Railgun still have stagger its just way up the charge(couldnt stagger titans tho) tested on chargers and at around 85 charge it goes on a straight line just like the arc thrower.
Hey, you should take another look the DCS now that it’s been significantly buffed. I did some testing and it can now one shot devastators up to 125m away! That’s a massive improvement from the 20m limit that it was at before. It’s a wonderful weapon now. It’s honestly made the standard Diligence kinda irrelevant because of how hard it hits and how nimble it is now. Also, poor railgun.
Edit: oh, and it two shots berserker heads now if you can land the shots. Not sure what range that drops off at, getting those maniacs to sit still is tricky.
Yeah we’ve been talking about the CS breakpoints getting miraculously better with just 12 damage. It’s top shelf now
@@EravinVT It was already on the cusp of greatness, it just needed that little boost to become actually good. I, for one, am very happy. I’ve wanted the DCS to be good since before the first balance patch, and now it’s finally living up to what I wanted it to be. The Diligence has some catching up to do now, though.
Give it more ammo and I think it could fall into a nice anti medium armor weapon with limit vs heavy use. With a backpack free you can go rover for chaff or ammo pack so no medium while survive lol. Then, go 500 KG for Biles or precision for tanks.
I think, the railgun is still superior to AMR (and all other anti-armor support weapons) in two specific dimensions, in it's FPV FoV and its overall "snappiness" (if you crouch with MM/engi kit).
I''ll explain, Mouse sensitivity coefficient for FPV in this game seems to be MDV 100% (e.g. like it was for AWP in CS by default), thus you can adjust sens with MDH 0% to 3rd-1st person to only one FOV. With RG you have same FoV in FPV ADS as with most pistols, ARs, shotguns. AMR has lover FOV with 50m zoom, so as other AArmor guns (and they also occlude a huge portion of already low FoV). For those of us who play apex/BD/literally anything it's a minor but existent point of not throwing away habitual mouse sens. As for 3rd person ADS, I can't help but feel, that it has some stupid sticky aim-assist.
As for snappiness, I sincerelly think that "weapon ergonomics" in shooting games are at the same level of malignancy as screenshake and stun/stuggerlock. But 100% sure devs will never change anything in that department.
Lastly, as far as "ugly scopes" go, IMO they all are equally awfull, with Penetrator's one being somewhat partially decent. The contrast between awesome detailed weapon animations and utterly ugly and lazy scopes is infinite.
It truly need a new buff/gimmick like being able to pierce multiple targets and leaving a trail of fire being or something like that to make it a bit for viable and fun.
I cant justify using this when other support or even primary weapons can do the same or an even better job in most cases while not having those big downside (like low firerate/ammo) :(
I remember finally hitting 20 and getting the railgun thinking it would replace my AMR, took it one mission against bots and went straight back lmao
Lol
I find it hilarious how accurate and painfully funny the video was. It seems really easy to fix this weapon (heavy armor specialist) but the devs seem afraid to overpower it. Too bad bc it’s fun to use.
the rail gun muzzle velocity needs a major buff. i think that would make it viable.
It would certainly help, the structure damage is just insanely low
Nerf was uncalled for, especially now as they have made other options viable
Increase hard armor pen and it will be good again
It could be brought back to its release version and be middle of the pack now
Railgun should be hitscan, but with very high recoil. Damage should be variable based on angle of attack and how much of the target's body the railgun round passes through. To use a bile titan as an example, a headshot from ground level would do typical headshot damage. A headshot from high ground where the round passes through the head, thorax and abdomen of the bile titan would do epic damage. Or in the case of a hulk, shots penetrating armor from the side would be more damaging than armor shots from the front or back (ignoring the heat sink for the sake of argument) due to the width of the target being greater than the thickness front to back. Make fighting with the railgun a matter of position.
Also, variable optics with a good sight would be totally appropriate. (Basically, the railgun should be the ultimate sniper rifle in the game.)
Stagger being somewhat low strikes me as reasonable since, assuming the round is penetrative rather than expanding, the blowthrough would account for lessened stagger.
It's probably okay to use with EATs or 110 Rockets/ other anti tank stratagems
Just use stratagems when it comes to tank level armor in 9 does not work out
@EravinVT oh I'm just thinking of what would make railgun more useful in the current state since it is capable of finishing off weakened heavies. I'd still get take the amr myself for the task, even if it's not the most efficient strat
I do like that the railgun is nonlonger the best support weapon in the game to the point that using anything else was just a complete self-nerf. However, it needs something more and personally, I like it as a precision high power weapon with the drawback of a red(green)-dot sight and limited ammo. It's a fun playstyle. The removal of its stagger is whack, it shouod be returned. Personally I think what it really needs is a bit more armour penetration and maybe 10 or even 20 more shots (with resupplies being and ammo crates resotring the same relative ammo amount). Its value should come from thr 90% charge penetration with limited damage. Maybe 8 shots for a bile titan and about 5 vs tanks and cannon towers? Idk just me having thoughts I felt like rambling on.
Was really hoping it would be worth using after the patch.
01:05 Wow been a long time that I’ve seen that specific Howstuffworks image
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With all of these nerfs, it honestly feels like I just need to fall back to the EAT's.
Man I really want this gun to be good. Was running it on a few dives today and it's ability to slap walkers and devestators is very satisfying and there's the hulk 1 shot potential but it is WORTHLESS on all the other enemies. Strider, tanks, gunships, big laser turrets, destructible objectives... it can't do anything to them.
Yep, a one trick hulk
Thx for the video! Railgun needs all of the nerfs reverted honestly. Btw, what do you think about the patrol changes?
Patrol Changes feel like they've increased the challenge of getting around the map and that's ok. Felt like things were a bit to chill at times. The Stealth Playstyle is definitely stronger then ever considering the increased odds of your encounters being third partied by patrols
Thanks for confirming. I found similar
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I wish that even if it exploded it still shot the round and it has the damage of the old railgun. So it would be the suicide shot but it would still kill.
That be a bit more fun
@Eravin how do you like the plas punisher now? Thing has been strong for me since patch.
its very good, I already rated it very highly in my breakdown of it so now it's better then that
We're probably just going to have to use this thing as a dedicated anti-medium bot weapon. Devastators, Striders, and Hulks. Leave the big guys for stratagems or someone with anti-tank weapons.
Rail Gun went from S-tier at its peak when it was the go-to for bile titan killing to C-tier at best at present, the buffs and nerfs from this patch felt like they had many odd choices thrown in there, like nerfing Quesadilla's recharge timer to 15 seconds (even though this effectively changes nothing for Quesadilla's out of combat usage) which only affects it really inside of combat. That and the targeted nerf to solo players with scaling the number of patrols up the fewer players you had in your squad. I think the Monster Hunter series already had this figured out with its scaling health mechanic. The monster scales upwards in health the more players on your team, capping out with 3 players so it's highly beneficial to run with 4 basically in every scenario.
I can't imagine what thought process AH had when they decided to make life harder for people who were already willingly solo'ing Helldive, which is already considerably more difficult considering the constraint on your reinforcement budget, effectively very limited stratagem variety (especially on planets with -1 Stratagem slot) and more. If you got stuck too close to the enemy when you keep dropping back in, you could get chain killed reasonably easily.
Agreed on the quasar nerf. I figured they'd increase the spool up time to make it less viable if you're too close to a heavy enemy. Nerfing the recharge time won't even be noticed by most players because you immediately switch weapons after firing off the shot anyway.
This patch was a mixed bag for sure, so many small irrelevant changes
My only beef with the railgun is the aiming reticle is so big it obscures what you aim at.
QUESTION: Can any PLEASE tell ME where to post bugs to? I noticed that the Plasma Shotgun self damages you when you are wearing the Energy based Shield backpack Stratagem since the patch. Any help would be thankful.
Could you do a video on the "new" blitzet its so good against bugs even before buff
I mean, its BETTER then it was I'm pretty sure. But more testing on my part is required. Honestly they may as well give the RAILGUN its clip back from Helldivers 1 (it had a 5 round clip).
RANDOM FUN FACT, Ever hear of Titanfall or the Titanfall universe? Last I checked all the weapons in that universe are indeed RAILGUNS. And I think we all remember the KRABER, getting good with that BOLTGUN of a Sniper Rifle came with some serious bragging rights. Plus the Dopamine Rush from nailing those headshots was OH SO GOOOOOOD! Id even call it a cure for Depression.
Convert to laser cannon for bots. The time is now. Capable of destroying everything in the bot arsenal with ease (outside of berserkers,) this support weapon will remain sleeper supreme.
Don't like the las cannon? Good news, the AMR does it the job almost as well. The only things the AMR struggles with is gunships, tanks, and cannon turrets, all of which take about an entire magazine.
Prefer my Queso beam cannon
Great Video, good teammates :D, good comments, much likes
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Has anyone tested yet how many shots are needed to destroy the vents on top of factory strider?
I want to become Strider Rider jetpacking onto Striders and blowing up their top vents :D this is where non-explosive weapons come in, because I dont want to blow myself off in the process. Laser cannon is probably best, but Im wondering what else :D
If it involves killing anything the game considers a “structure” skip the railgun in favor of somethin else for sure
Kind of curious what you think of the Crossbow changes, I saw you using it in the video
Edit: I can't spell
It’s fantastic and my favorite weapon now
@@EravinVT that's very interesting to hear, I thought it was more of a nerf. Definitely going to have to try it again
will point out that 100% charge lower then you think. there's lines and after a certain point the lines stop showing up on the guage. that is 100% charge.
It needs to strip chargers in 1 or 2 shots. Shooting it 3 or 4 times and then switching to your primary and shooting it some more just makes you wonder why you brought the thing
Interesting that you saw 3 shots to the leg would strip the charger leg armor. I saw other creators do other in two. Definitely isn’t enough to justify the railgun even if it’s two.
The video lists 3 to kill which is also 2 to strip
@@EravinVT Ah. I accidentally conflated the two.