Spoiled in some ways and badly neglected by their dad and no mom around to guide them, either. Kids left to their own devices can develop bad habits and trains of thought.
@@yarnpower who knows how they would have turned out if they had a dad who cared. But plenty of people have it WAY worse and don’t turn into criminals .
Her poor family. To leave close in neighborhood. I just recently lost my dog out in the road in front of my house since his death I can't even go outside I can't even pull out of my driveway without looking at that house I have to hide
I have followed this case for years. I believe his affluent family definitely had an influence how the case was treated. And also the connection to the Kennedy’s. Thanks Dr Grande for covering it.
Of course it was a cover up. Why do you think JFK Jr and spouse were butried at sea ? To cover up their cocaine usage and make sure no autopsy was EVER performed. Or how do we KNOW their bodies were even in those sheets pushed into the waters? OR were their bodies buried elsewhere?
@@Dukan1bkh Their plane crashed deeply into the sea. Days later after their impact contorted bodies were recovered, they were put into modest wooden coffins and cremated.
Wow, I have been following this case since the early 2000s. The Moxleys lived next door to the Skaakels which is of note. Their community, Belle Haven, was small and gated. Very unlikely for a stranger to have done this. Michael is guilty as sin IMHO.
Another Dr. Toddism, “The dogs never told them why they were barking so this is why dogs cannot appear in court”. How do you keep from laughing, when I’m hysterical! Hahaha!
Anne Rule wrote about an interesting case in -- well, it's a city I prefer not to even speak the name of, but it's in Oregon, on the lower Willamette. (A startling number of Oregonians prefer to pretend that that city is not part of Oregon.) A man had murdered his wife, and *of course* he thought the best lawyer to handle the case was himself. 🙄 He was cross-examining a forensic tech who happened to be blind and was there with her guide dog. When he approached the witness, the dog got up on its feet and started growling and snarling, in full sight and hearing of the jury. This was a fully-trained guide dog, mind you, but she saw a threat to her two-legs and a dog's a dog for a' that. Ms Rule was of the opinion that that growl helped seal that guy's fate and the dog was a fine surprise witness for the prosecution.
@ Ded Kat Nicole Simpson's dog was an interesting puzzle piece in the OJ case. It was an Akita, and they can be quite fierce and loyal, therefore, good watchdogs. Yet the killer was allowed access to Nicole. I think this indicates OJ was the killer, because he was not deterred by the Akita, who trusted him. Also, so cool how the dog went for help, trying to lead strangers to the scene.
The writer, Dominck Dunne wrote a great piece on this case for Vanity Fair. The story heavily sides with the theory that Michael was the murderer of Martha Moaxley. One a side note, Dunne's daughter, Dominique, was a young actress who played the part of the eldest daughter in the film, Poltergeist. She had been strangled to death by an abusive boyfriend who was meted a light sentence. Since his daughter's death, Dunne made it a mission to pursue justice for those who no longr had a voice. Martha was just a couple of years younger than Dominique. I only say all of this because perhaps Dr. Grande would be interested in looking at Dominick, a prolific writer for Vanity Fair, who focussed mostly on deadly crimes amongst the wealthy and celebrated. He had his heyday in Hollywood in his younger days. Great analysis as usual Dr. Grande.
Yes! I heard in several stories, that all anyone heard that night were dogs barking around that neighborhood around the time it happened! So people didn’t notice anything but dogs knew. Except notabley the poor Skakel dog didn’t bark. He read already traumatized by these people, I’m sure!
I would be more suspicious of Tommy because of being rejected by Martha. The murder was personal and filled with rage. But I wouldn’t be surprised if both brothers killed her together.
Martha didn't reject Tommy. She had a crush on him and engaged in some consensual intimacy with him the night she died. She rejected his younger brother Michael. The brothers had a fierce rivalry. Michael was the problem child, he could never live up to Tommy. This act was probably committed by a drunk, jealous, angry teenage Michael.
@@andybeans5790 She liked Tommy by the many accounts I've read and heard over the years. I think this is the first time I've heard of Tommy's advances being unwelcome but I could be misremembering - she was only 15 though and may have felt overwhelmed and/or pressured by what he wanted physically. Also teenage girls have crushes that come and go. However she reportedly liked Tommy and didn't like Michael.
No she rejected Michael and as she went for Tommy instead Michael was furious because of their rivalry. The motive was jealousy. JEALOUSLY is one of the TOP causes of the majority of Murders.(if not THE top cause)
I remember this case. I did read the Mark Furman book years ago and thought Michael was guilty. I have to wonder about inadequacies in the original investigation. Had this crime been investigated more thoroughly back then there might have been a more definitive measure of justice for Martha. I still am still troubled by this tragic story.
What in the name of Hell's best anthracite did this case have to do with providing "...a more definitive measure of justice..."?! This case was just like the Ted Kennedy case. It was NEVER INTENDED to have any- thing to do with justice. In fact, the defense might as well have said, "Badges? We don't need no stinking badges!" You're welcome.
@@melvinshelton8448 I know right? I came to a similar conclusion about the Belle Haven Skakels after I heard more revelations about Chappaquiddick. The Kennedy Clan had the kind of Social-Economic-Political Powers back in the day - American Royalty as they’ve been accurately described. Now we know that people & families are never as innocent as they’d like us to believe.
@@laurbois1591 ..There are lots of ppl that don't ever get any justice. My niece went missing 18 years ago, my family told cops her ex-killed her, and still no arrests...nothing.
@laurbois1591 he was sentenced to 20 years to life. After a failed parole attempt, he appealed on ineffective assistance of counsel. He was granted a new trial, which was overturned by the state Supreme Court, then the court reversed its own decision. The second trial didn't happen because of the lack of sufficient evidence, and some key witnesses had died.
Those darn dogs!! A couple of points to add. I noticed you didn't say that the Skakels lived next door. That kinda adds to how easily it would be for the brothers to commit the crime. Also, the golf clubs were not a common brand. Apparently Ann had been an ardent golfer and these were very expensive golf clubs. Also, Mrs.Moxley hired Mark Furman to investigate and he wrote a book about the case. From everything I've read it seems like Michael was the culprit. He has had serious drug and alcohol problems thru the years and confessed to several different treatment centers groups about Martha. Maybe Martha's death ate away at him and he used drugs and alcohol to try and numb his demons. I don't think Tommy can be ruled out but it seems more likely it was Michael. The Skakels were an out of control family with wealth to throw a problems. Very, very sad case.
@@touco9077 Why is it that you or anyone involved with case has never pointed out that when real leather gets soaking wet, it shrinks. It shrinks and becomes tight, much to tight to fit anymore. Why did the prosecution not point this out. That is why O.J.’s expensive leather gloves did not fit. He was guilty as hell!
@@nancydobry2899 Absolutely! I followed the trial closely. The gloves were proven to be OJ's. They were a very expensive pair that Nicole had bought for him as a gift.
@@touco9077 "Gloves that would only fit a very small man or woman" u say. Bloody gloves. With both victims' blood. So a very small man or woman slit Nicole's throat to the point of almost decapitation? And overpowered Ron Goldman, a strong young man in his prime? Two physically fit young ppl in their prime were overpowered and brutally murdered by a small man or woman. Right. 😑
@@juliebraden4865 not at all what I meant, it was planted evidence trying to convict Simpson but it backfired on the prosecution.... Incompetency. FTA!
My ex used to say that the intelligence of a group of teens is multiplicative. The greater the number involved, the dumber their behavior would be. Without adequate parental oversight, the ability to make good decisions seems to plummet to near zero. It’s such a shame in this case. Thanks for the analysis! 🌵
I agree with your ex's theory of group actions. Back in the 60s and 70s I gave many a hitchhiker a ride (male and female), without ever having a problem. However, I never gave rides to multiple hikers because I believed that they might consider a foul action that a single person probably wouldn't. As a young boy I recall some bad actions in which I was involved with other kids. I would never have taken the same actions alone. I was always told to choose my friends wisely and now I know why.
I grew up in Greenwich ct and went to school with the Skakels and was Martha's age when this happened. I will tell you that those kids (Skakels) had zero adult supervision. I went there once and remember thinking "where are the grown ups"? We didn't really mind but in retrospect it probably was a factor. I think Rushton Skakel had a lot of influence back in the day but I think the Kennedy connection was not so much a factor in the end. I don't know who killed Martha for certain but I definitely see reasonable doubts in all directions. It's too bad. She deserved so much better! Thanks Dr. G! 💜🌵
Interesting Nancy Jones. I too was in Greenwich during this ordeal, as a picture framer. The Skakel's were actually clients of mine, and the boys came in once for a job. They paid me in cash, though the family had personal billing with me. Moving on, I'll always blame the Greenwich Police. They treated us fine merchants like dirt. Took a client to court for non-payment, won, and they still didn't pay. Court told me to call the Sheriff. I did, and he told me: "You're a merchant, they're residents, You'll have to sue ME to serve them with papers!". I took the loss, but Greenwich got what it deserved.
Ruston was a chronic alcoholic and a fanatical Catholic religious man, after his wife Ann died of brain cancer Ruston was over whelmed and started hiring tutors and mentors to help with his huge family of all boys and one daughter, money and wealth does not ensure happiness and stability, this whole thing with Martha and losing his wife totally destroyed Ruston Skakel and after reading RFK jr's book framed I have serious doubts about Michael Skakels guilt.
You are right about Rushton having influence. He grew up there as well. Huge estate where Ethel got married to RFK. Wild boys too. He got Martha's family into the Yacht Club in their neighborhood. But like many of the adults drank all the time.
"Dr." Grande got his PhD from Christian Broadcasting Network University, founded by Pat Robertson. He's a hack who's intention in using the preface "Dr." is to mislead people in thinking he has medical training.
I’ve always wondered why dogs are not allowed to testify in court 🤔😂. Idk if you respond to comments, but I’ve been binge watching your videos… I’m hooked. ☮️
This happened when i was 15 and so was Martha ,and I lived in Connecticut ,although in the central part and not in a wealthy family. This has only received much press due to the Kennedy connection .Yes ,Michael was convicted and served some prison time. Now he is free! Marth's mother waited so long for justice. This must have been heartbreaking for her.
The word on the Cape at the time was that Michael did it. The whole Skakel family was infamous because of Ethel, but the boys were "nuts". This from a group that I thought was nuts. My Boston girlfriend took a winter job housesitting at Ethel's, called me 2 weeks later and said I'm outta here, the kids are animals !! Teenagers, they would arrive unannounced, drugged and drunk, trash the place and leave. The last straw was a bunch of them arriving, plowing through the foodstuffs, eating it out of containers with their hands and throwing the cans etc on the floor, never acknowledging her, and nonchalently wiping their hands clean on the drapery.
I'm from Fairfield County Ct and I clearly remember this particular case back in my high school days. She was an innocent young woman and He took that as "Scoring" in a very violent way- - - Very Horrific is what was described from my family and neighbors -- And YES he did it- of course! The Kennedy connection was a cleaver yet cowardly intent, however I Feel Michael is an Incel Through and through even to this day - 50 years later!
That sounds credible. I once read that at Ethel and RFK's home Hickory Hill in Virginia, madcap she once drove her car into the family swimming pool. And that their house interior was chaotically misrun, dog poop on carpets and so forth. And one of her sons as a teenager was stopped speeding on a country road by a police officer, into whose face he pushed an ice cream cone. "We're Kennedys" was his plea.
Wasn't the Martha Moxley case presented by Dominic Dunne in an episode of the show, "Power, Privilege, and Justice?" The show was about murders involving wealthy and affluent people. I really enjoyed that show.
I have climbed thousands of trees, having worked in the field of Arboriculture, and I can honestly say that it would never have occurred to me to do _that,_ while up a tree. Seems like a lot could go wrong...
Michael only claimed he recalled doing that incase his DNA was found at the crime scene. Too bad the case was botched and DNA as evidence back in 1975 was nonexistent. It was not the perfect crime.
I'd be very interested in your analysis of the Elan School, the "reform" school Michael attended. It's now known as maybe the most abusive "troubled teen" center ever created.
SO interesting going down this rabbit hole. michael really went through hell at this "school" though, basically went through torture and was literally labeled the kid who murdered martha moxley (they'd make you wear signs as punishments). they would beat him up and make him wear a chicken suit because he wouldn't admit to the crime. he ended up telling a few people here the truth though, that "he'd get away with murder because he was a kennedy."
It was very bad place very corrupt, located in Poland Maine, they totally abused Michael Skakel there and fabricated false statements and confessions, the CT investigators were so incompetent and crooked, don't be so quick to condemn anybody for this crime against poor Martha because the truth is that only God knows who brutally murdered that young lady, and you can thank the state of CT for that, what do you expect when your dealing with all democrats!
@@tvdv3416 Perhaps in a tie with the Provo, Utah "prison" school Paris Hilton recounted being sent to as a teenager, her parents having had her taken there, abducted in the middle of the night by two men she did not know. A year or so ago she bravely did a video documentary expose of the school.
Dr Grande, this reminds me of something my parents told me. Apparently Frank Sinatra came to Australia, he called a female journalist an inappropriate name. All the unions in Australia black listed him. Not even the Prime minister or the President of USA, could get him out. Eventually the president of all the unions Bob Hawke spoke to him. He was made too make a public apology. I don't think Frank Sintra ever came to Australia again. Thank you Dr Grande.
If it wasn't for mark Furman OJ Simpson would be in prison, you can't plant evidence, period!! If you really want the facts of this case you will have to read Robert f. Kennedy's book titled framed, an excellent read and you can see the research that went into the book, no jury will ever believe a detective that plants evidence even though that monster O J is guilty as sin. The Kennedy's and the Skakels were not at all close, Kennedy lays out everything known about that murder and you still don't know who murdered that young lady but my money is on that it was not Michael Skakel
Ugh, another Kennedy incident. What an extreme rage to kill her in such a brutal manner, especially for his romantic interest. RIP, Martha. So many mysteries involving the Kennedy families, which are very tragic. I believe these “powerful” families are very corrupted in so many levels. Regardless, my heart goes out to their tragedies.
@@lisarandleman6141 one family had ALOT of money. People can do evil, strange things when the cheddar comes in to play. Unfortunately, teen abuse, crimes of passion are very real. As a teenage girl once myself, it was someone you would least expect. Even straight A, football stars can murder and mame, in a fit of jealous rage. Unbelievably horrific.
Youre so smart and interesting, Dr Grande. You bring a lot of laughter and entertainment to so many people! Im so happy that your channel is so successful. We all want you to succeed in this way! Hugs to the Grande Family!
@@PrincessDie187 oh my gosh! Thank you sweetheart! My baby is a 20lb Maine Coon! He's almost 7yrs old. His name is "Bowie" (as in David! lol) and he's my darling little companion. I rescued him when my husband of 16yrs had cancer. Bowie was the best little companion for us thru such a dark and uncertain time.. We know that his love (and all the hilarious things he does!) was instrumental in my husbands recovery! Thank god my husband is 5yrs cancer-free, and now we have a sweet little "love child" to share the rest of our lives with! (side note: He has his own cupboard with his treats and toys in it. Inside, there's a little basket filled with "DumDum" suckers .. He goes in there and digs around till he finds the *blue* one, and then plays catch with it by tossing it into the air, and batting it with is paw, LOL! Do you have a kitty? Would you mind telling me a little bit about it? (also .. do you follow "felis gallery" channel? Most incredible Maine Coons ive ever seen, on there!) Sorry for blowing you up! LOL .. Im a crazy cat lady!
@@PrincessDie187 BTW I was cracking up on your online KFC image! My name on here is an homage to one of my favorite guitar players called "Bucket Head" who wears a KFC bucket on his head when he performs! Lol .. (he did the anonymous thing way before "Marshmallow")
Hi you guys! Your comments are so evocative and friendly! Feel as though I know you both! This channel is so rich in worthwhile back and forth! Thanks for being you!💐
@@BucketHeadianHaggaww this is the best reply ever! Bowie is so sweet! I'm so glad your husband has recovered. I ask because my cat, Thomas, looks so much like Bowie but I've never known for sure what breed Thomas is because I adopted him when he was three from the Animal Welfare League and they weren't sure what he was either. They just said he's long haired grey. Lol. He must be Maine Coon also because he looks so much like Bowie. Thomas is 12 :). They are beautiful cats. I also have a 5 year old Bengal named Dyson, and wow she's also gorgeous! I also look after my sister's Sphynx when she's unable to, his name is Widget and he's seven. Bowie is so beautiful, and such a beautiful and positive thing to have come out of your husband's illness. So glad he's doing better now :). I'll check out Felis Gallery for sure. And lol yes KFC is the best!!! :) Xo
This is a very sad case. For me, it is so frustrating that the case went cold, and everything we do know is in Your analysis Dr. Grande and I do agree with everything you explained.Thank you very much.
As I recollect, and it has been a while, Michael Skakel was a patient in Sheppard Pratt, then a private psychiatric hospital near Baltimore, Maryland, due to his deteriorating mental status. It seems unlikely that he would have ever been sent to a reformatory school. While at Sheppard Pratt he reputedly confessed all to a fellow in-patient. As an aside; Mark Fuhrman, as well as Dominick Dunne, have done 'deep dives' into this case, and both arrived at the same conclusion.
Dr. Grande, I love to hear your opinion on issues that catch our attention. I consider you to be fair, balanced intelligent and insightful. Please keep these videos coming!
@@VanishedPNW The word "amongst" is entirely appropriate grammar. Go clean out your Funkin litter box or something, Gertrude. I ...may ....just ...be a murderous psycho with a high IQ.
@@VanishedPNW Are you in America? Because in England it's very correct to use it. You may use "Among" or "Amongst". It's the same as "Crept" or "Creeped" not a mistake at all but a choice. It's not the same as an archaic word like "Betwixt" instead of "Between" or using "There" instead of "They're". Maybe where you are it's not used a lot, but it is a correct and alive word. No offense meant to you at all.
I think it's naturally more juicy as a criminal with money, status or power, has the ability to cover up their crimes to a greater extent than your average person. It shows the complete divide between what happens to justice when those handing it out on behalf of the average people, find themselves face to face with a somebody from a higher rung of the social ladder.
So glad you did this case. My mom grew up in Greenwhich, her best friend found Martha's body, everyone knew Michael did it (But my Aunt thinks it was actually his brother Tommy)
My instincts tell me both brothers did this. Her sitting between them in the car while listening to music was nuanced sexual intimidation. After she resisted, I think they planned to rape her, but the dogs barking made them fearful to complete the act. And then they were afraid she would tell on them. Their desire to silence her, plus sexual frustration, I believe led to her murder. May she rest in peace.
Michael looks like the best he could do is 'solitary' interaction with himself..........but this was a very serious case especially for this more innocent time (this and Tate-LaBianca murders really shook me and a lot of others) but I mostly feel so sorry for Martha's poor mother who had to live through all of this!! Jim C.
Martha's mother laid down to sleep at midnight knowing her 15 yr old wasn't at home. Pls spare me about it being different so much of a safer time! She let her 15 yr old go to a home with nothing but boys living there at 15??? I was 15 in 84 raised by a single mom she would have never let me go to a home with just boys. She may have let one come to my home to watch a movie or something and I never ever thought my mom was to strict. I would have known better than to even ask to go. Anyway after my rant on her good ole mom ill say. Why would he stay up in a tree to satisfying himself with no visual. He wasn't seeing her through the window she didn't make it to her room he made sure of that.
Cases involving either kids or young adults hits a little extra. Specially in cases like this where it was so much violence involved. At the same time im a firm believer that its important that you get the right perpetrator in all cases.
@@eadweard. Yes, corrupt investigators with limited will, energy, time, interest and funds (vis a vis other cases) who just want the "case closed," not to stay "cold."
I read Mark Furman's, book. I was happy he got the case reopened. He left the shaft sticking in her eye socket. It broke after hitting her with it. One of the first responders removed the shaft, that had his father's initials on it. It showed me how rich people and the law works. Michael needs to pay for taking that girl's life. Reading Furman's book's, made me interested in forensic science.
This murder was sensational when it happened. Martha died in such a horrible way. The Ethel Kennedy connection was exploited in the news. I felt so sorry for Martha's mother. If a teenager was convicted, he most likely would have had his freedom a 18 years old with a closed record. We can speculate about Michael's involvement, yet only he knows for sure.
Martha nor her family ever got justice and more than likely cuz of the “Kennedy connection”. None of the Kennedy men were who they perceived themselves to be. Thx once again for the video Dr Grande.
Got to admit that power corrupts and the Kennedy dynasty was pretty powerful! They seemed to me to bask in a glowing light while being all too human! We all know about Teddy and Chappaquidic (sp?) and maybe John and Bobbie and Marilyn? And the money always there to smooth everything over! I am a Democrat so don't come for me!
None of them and this continues to this day. Rfk jr pretends to be a champion of those injured by ... even wrote a book about that "Doctor" that is talking in front of congress atm. He had a party recently and insisted everyone take that experimental thing that is being forced on everyone. Everything is a lie.
We can thank Mark Furhman for investigating and breaking that case wide open and having it re-opened and gone to trial. Like him or not, he is a good cop and knows how to solve cases.
Dr. Grande, can you please analyze the case of Maya Millette, the San Diego woman who disappeared in early January and never found, then her husband got arrested for her murder 2 weeks ago, and now there is a temporary custody battle between the husband's parents and the sister of Maya? This calls for an interesting analysis. Thanks.
Oh gosh, the movie "Boys Don't Cry" shook me up for nearly a week. I felt physically sick seeing a human being treated that way. The middle to the end was so disturbing and excruciating to watch. Dr. G's take would definitely be interesting.
@@annal7364 yeah the whole story itself had a powerful effect. And even the interviews with the killers and the survivors was haunting. Brandon's experience woke some people up.
We're talking about ties to a family whose patriarch had his own daughter lobotomized because she was "troublesome". Poor Martha didn't stand a chance at getting justice. Money and power saves a scumbag's hide again. I always felt such sympathy for Martha's mother as well. It had to be so frustrating and disheartening to watch them live their lives freely.
You're talking about an entirely different family who had the daughter lobotomized. The Skakel family had nothing to do with that. Joseph P. Kennedy had the procedure done on his daughter.
Many years ago I was with my boyfriend visiting one of the Skakel's homes, on a ski resort in NY state. My boyfriend told me ahead of time about Michael. Lo and behold Michael showed up the next day. It gave new meaning to "speak of the devil".
I've never heard of this case, but the more I listened, the more I couldn't wait to hear your thoughts at the end! I can't even imagine the amount of rage that would have to be involved to kill somebody so brutally, so terribly sad! I had to laugh though, when you were saying how "The dogs never told them what all the barking was about.... they never explain their reasons for their behavior." 😂
Martha didn't get justice. Michael Skakel served just 13 years for bashing her head in with a golf club. I'll bet he's just a wonderful, productive, loving human being today.
I come from a golfing family, and can't even imagine the sheer force it would take to snap a 6i. Or, you know, any club. Like, how the hell do you even do that? That is terrifying. And believe me I've seen some angry people on golf courses, clubs getting flung all over the place (golfing with teenage boys is fun lol). I have never once seen a club snap, not even the cheap ones that look like they're about to snap at any time. Just.....yikes.....that is almost superhuman levels of strength and evil in equal measure.
The exact same club was snapped like a twig when the case was looked at by an ex prosecutor who was wearing high heels & just put her foot on the club in the middle without much force at all. The Oxygen 3 part series covered the other people who were not interviewed at the time & is worth watching if the case intrigues you.
I think you’re right. The barking dog was, sadly, an incidental red herring. A dog barking on “mischief night” when kids are crawling all over a neighborhood. Tsk, tsk. Michael had means, motive, opportunity and access to a *very specific* weapon, unlike the alleged two strangers to whom the brand-new tutor gave a ride. money and power. She engaged in consensual kissing with Tommy that night. He reportedly went home and watched t.v. Michael got the shaft that night. Then he gave it to Martha. In the neck. How’s that for Privileged Male privilege circa 1975? I read a book on this, decades ago. I noted-perhaps I remember wrongly?-that the golf bag was said to have been kept inside the back door of the Skakels’ house. Thanks, Dr. G., for another trip down the memory lane of my youth. It was a bad trip. 😉 But your voice relaxes, so 🙏 thank you much.
I grew up in southwest detroit but left there several yrs before devil's night began. Heard of it from friends still living in the area. Not much that happened in Detroit made it to the national news, probably due to PC sensibility. I still miss the old place and regret that my liberal leanings induced me, as a white person, to acquiesce to black desires that all whites could leave now, please
@@troikatuggle1343 Mayor Colman Young was something else. I still remember the nightly local news being challenged by a reporter and his calling him “white boy” on camera. Made himself into a racist 2 year old in the blink of an eye. Then there’s the mayor kwame kilpatrick scandal that made National news, stealing from the board and citizens as the uj in politics. Racist as all get out as well.
I have been listening to you Dr. For a long time! This I will say very down to earth you are! I hope you continue your wisdom to the public!! An hope you don't stray to fouchi!! Very smart Man I say! Happy New good man!!
"The French Connection". One of my all-time most favorite movies. Those crazy Kennedys. I think there's been a black over them for years. Yes, they have power, but, at what cost. Seems anyone attached to them gains the black cloud. Always interesting. Peace💕🇺🇲
I am really enjoying your "speculation" about people in true crime. This was enthralling, and it is interesting to hear your analysis at the end! Thank you.
I live in New England so this case was centered and heart breaking. Dr Grande you did a great job analyzing it. I was going to ask you to analyzing the Ted Kennedy case but I just saw that you did. I read Ted''s book published after he died so I am interested in what really happened.
Martha rejected Michael that night (just like his mother left him) after he knew she had been alone with Tommy. Michael was home way before 11pm because according to the Skakel sister she heard a loud argument in the mud room between Tommy and Michael as Martha left the house. Michael grabbed his trusty 6 iron to pursue Martha as she walked home. It was a crime of extreme violence against a girl who chose Tommy over him. Tommy knew his brother was guilty because he knew his brother. Mark Furhman’s book got retribution for Martha.
I agree with you, Dr. Grande. I read endless articles about the facts of the case when it happened, plus I heard an interview of Martha’s mother. Your conclusion is true.
I agree with your analysis 100% This case has always bothered me. Marthas poor Mother tried and did keep this case in the public eye. She was devastated by the death of her daughter but if I remember correctly, Mrs. Moxley did not live to see Michael Skakel arrested for the murder. I saw Mrs. Moxley on a TV show and it just broke my heart. For years she fought for justice for Martha. I believe the fact that Michael was a cousin of the Kennedy's played a huge part in why he was not arrested till years later. And still, in the end, he was never convicted. If he had not been a Kennedy cousin it would have been an open and shut case from the beginning. Power and wealth do work in favor even when your guilty. I enjoyed your analysis and agree that he was guilty but not beyond a reasonable doubt. We loose sight of the victims here. Martha and her Mother. Thank you Dr. Grande for your interesting analysis and for covering this case. 😪 RIP Martha and her Mother.
This story is enough to make anyone sick, if Martha was my daughter, I would just do the same with the michael dude...dump him in my own backyard and be like "idk what u talkin about...I was watching Adam's Family at that time...have no idea"
Mark Furman wrote a very good book abou this case years ago. I believe it had a lot to do with opening the case. I saw several interviews with Martha's mother. Such a wonderful sweet woman she was.
Informative and entertaining; however, my thoughts dwell not only on her murderer, but on a lovely young woman who had her whole life ahead of her abruptly ended.
This made me sick, of course, the little spoiled boys, did weird things. Poor Martha Moxley.
Spoiled in some ways and badly neglected by their dad and no mom around to guide them, either. Kids left to their own devices can develop bad habits and trains of thought.
@@yarnpower who knows how they would have turned out if they had a dad who cared. But plenty of people have it WAY worse and don’t turn into criminals .
@@kat4933 True!
Her poor family. To leave close in neighborhood. I just recently lost my dog out in the road in front of my house since his death I can't even go outside I can't even pull out of my driveway without looking at that house I have to hide
Your comma usage, gave me an, aneurism.
I have followed this case for years. I believe his affluent family definitely had an influence how the case was treated. And also the connection to the Kennedy’s. Thanks Dr Grande for covering it.
Of course it was a cover up. Why do you think JFK Jr and spouse were butried at sea ? To cover up their cocaine usage and make sure no autopsy was EVER performed. Or how do we KNOW their bodies were even in those sheets pushed into the waters? OR were their bodies buried elsewhere?
@@Dukan1bkh Their plane crashed deeply into the sea. Days later after their impact contorted bodies were recovered, they were put into modest wooden coffins and cremated.
Me too and my feeling is that Michael killed her!
No citizens should be able to impact a criminal case to their favor. It’s so awful.
@@JudgeJulieLitwho?
Wow, I have been following this case since the early 2000s. The Moxleys lived next door to the Skaakels which is of note. Their community, Belle Haven, was small and gated. Very unlikely for a stranger to have done this. Michael is guilty as sin IMHO.
I agree. But the pieces of property were huge & wooded. One could easily run from one point to another in that neighborhood & not been seen or heard.
Is there a likelihood of BOTH brothers were involved, and one covered for the other? After all, they were close, and Kennedy's.
I remember this case, and I shouldn't say that, pardon me, this abhorrent crime. I was a teen then and even I knew this was a rigged verdict.
@CAROLINA PATRIOT of course they were, that way they can corroborate their stories.
@@828enigma6 They were related through marriage i.e. their aunt was married to Robert Kennedy and their cousins were Kennedys but they weren't.
“Which is why dogs aren’t allowed to testify”
so hilarious!!!
The best one💕🇺🇲
@@m.f.richardson1602 (off the topic, but .. ) By any chance, is your first name "Mirk?"
Maybe Mack, Mark or Mork?
hehee.. because their evidence is so cryptic
Another Dr. Toddism, “The dogs never told them why they were barking so this is why dogs cannot appear in court”. How do you keep from laughing, when I’m hysterical! Hahaha!
Bahaha. Yes. Keep those dogs off the witness stand.
Yet a dog testified in absentia in OJ Simpson's trial
Anne Rule wrote about an interesting case in -- well, it's a city I prefer not to even speak the name of, but it's in Oregon, on the lower Willamette. (A startling number of Oregonians prefer to pretend that that city is not part of Oregon.)
A man had murdered his wife, and *of course* he thought the best lawyer to handle the case was himself. 🙄
He was cross-examining a forensic tech who happened to be blind and was there with her guide dog. When he approached the witness, the dog got up on its feet and started growling and snarling, in full sight and hearing of the jury. This was a fully-trained guide dog, mind you, but she saw a threat to her two-legs and a dog's a dog for a' that.
Ms Rule was of the opinion that that growl helped seal that guy's fate and the dog was a fine surprise witness for the prosecution.
@ Ded Kat Nicole Simpson's dog was an interesting puzzle piece in the OJ case. It was an Akita, and they can be quite fierce and loyal, therefore, good watchdogs. Yet the killer was allowed access to Nicole. I think this indicates OJ was the killer, because he was not deterred by the Akita, who trusted him. Also, so cool how the dog went for help, trying to lead strangers to the scene.
@@lindarockower6028 don't forget the 'plaintive wail' that fixed the TOD.
The writer, Dominck Dunne wrote a great piece on this case for Vanity Fair. The story heavily sides with the theory that Michael was the murderer of Martha Moaxley. One a side note, Dunne's daughter, Dominique, was a young actress who played the part of the eldest daughter in the film, Poltergeist. She had been strangled to death by an abusive boyfriend who was meted a light sentence. Since his daughter's death, Dunne made it a mission to pursue justice for those who no longr had a voice. Martha was just a couple of years younger than Dominique. I only say all of this because perhaps Dr. Grande would be interested in looking at Dominick, a prolific writer for Vanity Fair, who focussed mostly on deadly crimes amongst the wealthy and celebrated. He had his heyday in Hollywood in his younger days. Great analysis as usual Dr. Grande.
This is why I knew about the case. Very sad
Dunne also hosted the show "Power, Privilege, and Justice" about murder cases involving the wealthy and affluentual. Great show!
Dunne was also from a wealthy Catholic family in CT.
Thank you for this information.
@@SusieQ1971 Thank you, very interesting.
The barking dog!! 😂😂 “They are always so cryptic…” Spoken as a true dog owner/lover. Well done! 😂💖
Yes! I heard in several stories, that all anyone heard that night were dogs barking around that neighborhood around the time it happened! So people didn’t notice anything but dogs knew.
Except notabley the poor Skakel dog didn’t bark. He read already traumatized by these people, I’m sure!
I would be more suspicious of Tommy because of being rejected by Martha. The murder was personal and filled with rage. But I wouldn’t be surprised if both brothers killed her together.
Martha didn't reject Tommy. She had a crush on him and engaged in some consensual intimacy with him the night she died. She rejected his younger brother Michael. The brothers had a fierce rivalry. Michael was the problem child, he could never live up to Tommy. This act was probably committed by a drunk, jealous, angry teenage Michael.
@@LMCEK I thought Martha had written that Tommy had made unwelcome advances?
@@andybeans5790 She liked Tommy by the many accounts I've read and heard over the years. I think this is the first time I've heard of Tommy's advances being unwelcome but I could be misremembering - she was only 15 though and may have felt overwhelmed and/or pressured by what he wanted physically. Also teenage girls have crushes that come and go. However she reportedly liked Tommy and didn't like Michael.
@@LMCEK pqwemwkkkqqkuyikwooqoooso
No she rejected Michael and as she went for Tommy instead Michael was furious because of their rivalry. The motive was jealousy. JEALOUSLY is one of the TOP causes of the majority of Murders.(if not THE top cause)
I remember this case. I did read the Mark Furman book years ago and thought Michael was guilty. I have to wonder about inadequacies in the original investigation. Had this crime been investigated more thoroughly back then there might have been a more definitive measure of justice for Martha. I still am still troubled by this tragic story.
Really interesting book, so is his book on the O J Simpson case
What in the name of Hell's best anthracite did this case have to do with providing "...a more definitive measure of justice..."?! This case was just like the Ted Kennedy case. It was NEVER INTENDED to have any-
thing to do with justice. In fact, the defense might as well have said,
"Badges? We don't need
no stinking badges!"
You're welcome.
@@melvinshelton8448 I know right? I came to a similar conclusion about the Belle Haven Skakels after I heard more revelations about Chappaquiddick. The Kennedy Clan had the kind of Social-Economic-Political Powers back in the day - American Royalty as they’ve been accurately described. Now we know that people & families are never as innocent as they’d like us to believe.
Well, at least he ended up doing about 13 years of prison time, better than nothing, I guess.
My dune bruh?
13 years for a brutal rage filled murder?
No FECKING way - - - should have gotten a reasonable 25 to Life - no shit 😠
@@laurbois1591 ..There are lots of ppl that don't ever get any justice. My niece went missing 18 years ago, my family told cops her ex-killed her, and still no arrests...nothing.
I’m sorry that happened
@laurbois1591 he was sentenced to 20 years to life. After a failed parole attempt, he appealed on ineffective assistance of counsel. He was granted a new trial, which was overturned by the state Supreme Court, then the court reversed its own decision. The second trial didn't happen because of the lack of sufficient evidence, and some key witnesses had died.
Martha and her family deserve justice!!
Great analysis Dr Grande!!
Those darn dogs!! A couple of points to add. I noticed you didn't say that the Skakels lived next door. That kinda adds to how easily it would be for the brothers to commit the crime. Also, the golf clubs were not a common brand. Apparently Ann had been an ardent golfer and these were very expensive golf clubs. Also, Mrs.Moxley hired Mark Furman to investigate and he wrote a book about the case. From everything I've read it seems like Michael was the culprit. He has had serious drug and alcohol problems thru the years and confessed to several different treatment centers groups about Martha. Maybe Martha's death ate away at him and he used drugs and alcohol to try and numb his demons. I don't think Tommy can be ruled out but it seems more likely it was Michael. The Skakels were an out of control family with wealth to throw a problems. Very, very sad case.
@@touco9077 Why is it that you or anyone involved with case has never pointed out that when real leather gets soaking wet, it shrinks. It shrinks and becomes tight, much to tight to fit anymore. Why did the prosecution not point this out. That is why O.J.’s expensive leather gloves did not fit. He was guilty as hell!
@@nancydobry2899 Absolutely! I followed the trial closely. The gloves were proven to be OJ's. They were a very expensive pair that Nicole had bought for him as a gift.
@@juliebraden4865 Thank you for your reply. I can’t believe the stupidity of the prosecution on this point.
@@touco9077 "Gloves that would only fit a very small man or woman" u say. Bloody gloves. With both victims' blood. So a very small man or woman slit Nicole's throat to the point of almost decapitation? And overpowered Ron Goldman, a strong young man in his prime? Two physically fit young ppl in their prime were overpowered and brutally murdered by a small man or woman. Right. 😑
@@juliebraden4865 not at all what I meant, it was planted evidence trying to convict Simpson but it backfired on the prosecution.... Incompetency. FTA!
My ex used to say that the intelligence of a group of teens is multiplicative. The greater the number involved, the dumber their behavior would be. Without adequate parental oversight, the ability to make good decisions seems to plummet to near zero. It’s such a shame in this case.
Thanks for the analysis! 🌵
Well said🧐
I followed the trial very closely, he is guilty beyond any reasonable doubt. He is a monster
I agree with your ex's theory of group actions. Back in the 60s and 70s I gave many a hitchhiker a ride (male and female), without ever having a problem. However, I never gave rides to multiple hikers because I believed that they might consider a foul action that a single person probably wouldn't. As a young boy I recall some bad actions in which I was involved with other kids. I would never have taken the same actions alone. I was always told to choose my friends wisely and now I know why.
Lord of the Flies ring a bell? A world run by teens or pre-teens more than likely is NOT a world in which I'd want to live.
@@johnkarls2132 1/6? ... oops! 😮
I grew up in Greenwich ct and went to school with the Skakels and was Martha's age when this happened. I will tell you that those kids (Skakels) had zero adult supervision. I went there once and remember thinking "where are the grown ups"? We didn't really mind but in retrospect it probably was a factor. I think Rushton Skakel had a lot of influence back in the day but I think the Kennedy connection was not so much a factor in the end. I don't know who killed Martha for certain but I definitely see reasonable doubts in all directions. It's too bad. She deserved so much better! Thanks Dr. G! 💜🌵
Interesting Nancy Jones. I too was in Greenwich during this ordeal, as a picture framer. The Skakel's were actually clients of mine, and the boys came in once for a job. They paid me in
cash, though the family had personal billing with me. Moving on, I'll always blame the Greenwich Police. They treated us fine merchants like dirt. Took a client to court for non-payment,
won, and they still didn't pay. Court told me to call the Sheriff. I did, and he told me: "You're a merchant, they're residents, You'll have to sue ME to serve them with papers!".
I took the loss, but Greenwich got what it deserved.
@@brucesmith3072 that's bad. Where was your shop?
@@nancyjones6780 I was at 17 East Putnam Ave; top of Greenwich Ave.
Ruston was a chronic alcoholic and a fanatical Catholic religious man, after his wife Ann died of brain cancer Ruston was over whelmed and started hiring tutors and mentors to help with his huge family of all boys and one daughter, money and wealth does not ensure happiness and stability, this whole thing with Martha and losing his wife totally destroyed Ruston Skakel
and after reading RFK jr's book framed I have serious doubts about Michael Skakels guilt.
You are right about Rushton having influence. He grew up there as well. Huge estate where Ethel got married to RFK. Wild boys too. He got Martha's family into the Yacht Club in their neighborhood. But like many of the adults drank all the time.
Money does give freedom even for the guilty.
Fairly inane remark
Gotta love eb!😍
It definetly can yes. Not always though. Connections and money more likely.
👆👆👆👆. Or just fake your death when you buy your way out of trouble.
Oj would concur if he wasn't in hell.
To think how close she was to making it home. Heartbreaking for her and her poor family. 😓🙏
Dr. Grande gets mentioned by other UA-camrs a lot lately! Well respected! 😀👍
Who, who??! Are they worthy??! Direct me!x
"Dr." Grande got his PhD from Christian Broadcasting Network University, founded by Pat Robertson. He's a hack who's intention in using the preface "Dr." is to mislead people in thinking he has medical training.
I’ve always wondered why dogs are not allowed to testify in court 🤔😂. Idk if you respond to comments, but I’ve been binge watching your videos… I’m hooked. ☮️
This happened when i was 15 and so was Martha ,and I lived in Connecticut ,although in the central part and not in a wealthy family. This has only received much press due to the Kennedy connection .Yes ,Michael was convicted and served some prison time. Now he is free! Marth's mother waited so long for justice. This must have been heartbreaking for her.
The word on the Cape at the time was that Michael did it. The whole Skakel family was infamous because of Ethel, but the boys were "nuts". This from a group that I thought was nuts. My Boston girlfriend took a winter job housesitting at Ethel's, called me 2 weeks later and said I'm outta here, the kids are animals !! Teenagers, they would arrive unannounced, drugged and drunk, trash the place and leave. The last straw was a bunch of them arriving, plowing through the foodstuffs, eating it out of containers with their hands and throwing the cans etc on the floor, never acknowledging her, and nonchalently wiping their hands clean on the drapery.
Yeah my mom grew up in Greenwich and everyone knew Michael did it. Unless you ask my Aunt Mary, she says it was Tommy
I'm from Fairfield County Ct and I clearly remember this particular case back in my high school days.
She was an innocent young woman and He took that as "Scoring" in a very violent way- - -
Very Horrific is what was described from my family and neighbors -- And YES he did it- of course!
The Kennedy connection was a cleaver yet cowardly intent, however I Feel Michael is an Incel
Through and through even to this day - 50 years later!
That sounds credible. I once read that at Ethel and RFK's home Hickory Hill in Virginia, madcap she once drove her car into the family swimming pool. And that their house interior was chaotically misrun, dog poop on carpets and so forth. And one of her sons as a teenager was stopped speeding on a country road by a police officer, into whose face he pushed an ice cream cone. "We're Kennedys" was his plea.
@@laurbois1591 incel? What is that?
@@JudgeJulieLit that was at the Barnstable County Fair.
Wasn't the Martha Moxley case presented by Dominic Dunne in an episode of the show, "Power, Privilege, and Justice?" The show was about murders involving wealthy and affluent people. I really enjoyed that show.
Yes
Good topic which has perplexed everyone for 40 years.
I have climbed thousands of trees, having worked in the field of Arboriculture, and I can honestly say that it would never have occurred to me to do _that,_ while up a tree. Seems like a lot could go wrong...
That was good. I startled my sleeping dog when I laughed at your comment. 😆
Michael only claimed he recalled doing that incase his DNA was found at the crime scene. Too bad the case was botched and DNA as evidence back in 1975 was nonexistent. It was not the perfect crime.
Hi Dr. Grande. I was OBSESSED with this case for a while. Thanks for covering.
I’ve followed this case for years. Ty for your analysis.
I'd be very interested in your analysis of the Elan School, the "reform" school Michael attended. It's now known as maybe the most abusive "troubled teen" center ever created.
I'm afraid that title goes to Cascade Academy.
SO interesting going down this rabbit hole. michael really went through hell at this "school" though, basically went through torture and was literally labeled the kid who murdered martha moxley (they'd make you wear signs as punishments). they would beat him up and make him wear a chicken suit because he wouldn't admit to the crime. he ended up telling a few people here the truth though, that "he'd get away with murder because he was a kennedy."
It was very bad place very corrupt, located in Poland Maine, they totally abused Michael Skakel there and fabricated false statements and confessions, the CT investigators were so incompetent and crooked, don't be so quick to condemn anybody for this crime against poor Martha because the truth is that only God knows who brutally murdered that young lady, and you can thank the state of CT for that, what do you expect when your dealing with all democrats!
@@touco9077 🤦
@@tvdv3416 Perhaps in a tie with the Provo, Utah "prison" school Paris Hilton recounted being sent to as a teenager, her parents having had her taken there, abducted in the middle of the night by two men she did not know. A year or so ago she bravely did a video documentary expose of the school.
Dr Grande, this reminds me of something my parents told me. Apparently Frank Sinatra came to Australia, he called a female journalist an inappropriate name. All the unions in Australia black listed him. Not even the Prime minister or the President of USA, could get him out. Eventually the president of all the unions Bob Hawke spoke to him. He was made too make a public apology. I don't think Frank Sintra ever came to Australia again. Thank you Dr Grande.
Wth
No
Mark Furhman wrote a book about this crime. It’s a great book! Michael S is totally guilty!
Thank you for this comment! Im really interested in reading it! Hope you're having a great week, so far! Love from Las Vegas!
If it wasn't for mark Furman OJ Simpson would be in prison, you can't plant evidence, period!! If you really want the facts of this case you will have to read Robert f. Kennedy's book titled framed, an excellent read and you can see the research that went into the book, no jury will ever believe a detective that plants evidence even though that monster O J is guilty as sin. The Kennedy's and the Skakels were not at all close, Kennedy lays out everything known about that murder and you still don't know who murdered that young lady but my money is on that it was not Michael Skakel
Dominick Dunne gave Furman the transcript of what Michael told his attorney.
If mark fuhrman wrote it, I'm interested to see how many times he used the N word
Furman is a lying 🤥POS
I love the doctor's dry wit. Some of his burns are just brutal.
Ugh, another Kennedy incident. What an extreme rage to kill her in such a brutal manner, especially for his romantic interest. RIP, Martha.
So many mysteries involving the Kennedy families, which are very tragic. I believe these “powerful” families are very corrupted in so many levels. Regardless, my heart goes out to their tragedies.
Not Kennedy by blood. His aunt was the Kennedy in-law.
Just affluent horrible people.
@@lisarandleman6141 yes, I realize that. I should’ve made myself clear; I meant the Kennedys and anyone who’s tied to them by marriage, etc.
Anything touching the Kennedys is cursed. Remember Mary Jo Kopechne? And Carolyne Bessette?
All cursed from the horrible deeds of the old Kennedy.
@@lisarandleman6141 one family had ALOT of money. People can do evil, strange things when the cheddar comes in to play. Unfortunately, teen abuse, crimes of passion are very real. As a teenage girl once myself, it was someone you would least expect. Even straight A, football stars can murder and mame, in a fit of jealous rage. Unbelievably horrific.
@@littleredwitch rosemarie kennedy lobotomy. Ted Kennedy and nephew rape incident....RFK junior antivaxxer...
I sniggered at the “Based on the report of a dog who had been barking” and was hoping for the punchline and you, sir, delivered!👏😁
Youre so smart and interesting, Dr Grande. You bring a lot of laughter and entertainment to so many people! Im so happy that your channel is so successful. We all want you to succeed in this way! Hugs to the Grande Family!
Your cat is beautiful, what breed is he/she?
@@PrincessDie187 oh my gosh! Thank you sweetheart! My baby is a 20lb Maine Coon! He's almost 7yrs old. His name is "Bowie" (as in David! lol) and he's my darling little companion. I rescued him when my husband of 16yrs had cancer. Bowie was the best little companion for us thru such a dark and uncertain time.. We know that his love (and all the hilarious things he does!) was instrumental in my husbands recovery! Thank god my husband is 5yrs cancer-free, and now we have a sweet little "love child" to share the rest of our lives with! (side note: He has his own cupboard with his treats and toys in it. Inside, there's a little basket filled with "DumDum" suckers .. He goes in there and digs around till he finds the *blue* one, and then plays catch with it by tossing it into the air, and batting it with is paw, LOL!
Do you have a kitty? Would you mind telling me a little bit about it?
(also .. do you follow "felis gallery" channel? Most incredible Maine Coons ive ever seen, on there!)
Sorry for blowing you up! LOL .. Im a crazy cat lady!
@@PrincessDie187 BTW I was cracking up on your online KFC image! My name on here is an homage to one of my favorite guitar players called "Bucket Head" who wears a KFC bucket on his head when he performs! Lol .. (he did the anonymous thing way before "Marshmallow")
Hi you guys! Your comments are so evocative and friendly! Feel as though I know you both! This channel is so rich in worthwhile back and forth! Thanks for being you!💐
@@BucketHeadianHaggaww this is the best reply ever! Bowie is so sweet! I'm so glad your husband has recovered. I ask because my cat, Thomas, looks so much like Bowie but I've never known for sure what breed Thomas is because I adopted him when he was three from the Animal Welfare League and they weren't sure what he was either. They just said he's long haired grey. Lol. He must be Maine Coon also because he looks so much like Bowie. Thomas is 12 :). They are beautiful cats. I also have a 5 year old Bengal named Dyson, and wow she's also gorgeous! I also look after my sister's Sphynx when she's unable to, his name is Widget and he's seven. Bowie is so beautiful, and such a beautiful and positive thing to have come out of your husband's illness. So glad he's doing better now :). I'll check out Felis Gallery for sure. And lol yes KFC is the best!!! :) Xo
This is a very sad case. For me, it is so frustrating that the case went cold, and everything we do know is in Your analysis Dr. Grande and I do agree with everything you explained.Thank you very much.
Funny, I was just talking to a friend the day before I read your article. This will never go away.
As I recollect, and it has been a while, Michael Skakel was a patient in Sheppard Pratt, then a private psychiatric hospital near Baltimore, Maryland, due to his deteriorating mental status. It seems unlikely that he would have ever been sent to a reformatory school. While at Sheppard Pratt he reputedly confessed all to a fellow in-patient. As an aside; Mark Fuhrman, as well as Dominick Dunne, have done 'deep dives' into this case, and both arrived at the same conclusion.
Dr. Grande, I love to hear your opinion on issues that catch our attention. I consider you to be fair, balanced intelligent and insightful. Please keep these videos coming!
This case has fascinated me for the longest time. "Incidents" amongst the affluent are always juicy (admit it, people).
@@VanishedPNW The word "amongst" is entirely appropriate grammar. Go clean out your Funkin litter box or something, Gertrude. I ...may ....just ...be a murderous psycho with a high IQ.
@@VanishedPNW Amongst is commonly used in modern English. It just is.
@@VanishedPNW The motives are usually much more interesting. And get over yourself.
@@VanishedPNW Are you in America? Because in England it's very correct to use it. You may use "Among" or "Amongst". It's the same as "Crept" or "Creeped" not a mistake at all but a choice. It's not the same as an archaic word like "Betwixt" instead of "Between" or using "There" instead of "They're". Maybe where you are it's not used a lot, but it is a correct and alive word. No offense meant to you at all.
I think it's naturally more juicy as a criminal with money, status or power, has the ability to cover up their crimes to a greater extent than your average person. It shows the complete divide between what happens to justice when those handing it out on behalf of the average people, find themselves face to face with a somebody from a higher rung of the social ladder.
So glad you did this case. My mom grew up in Greenwhich, her best friend found Martha's body, everyone knew Michael did it (But my Aunt thinks it was actually his brother Tommy)
My instincts tell me both brothers did this. Her sitting between them in the car while listening to music was nuanced sexual intimidation. After she resisted, I think they planned to rape her, but the dogs barking made them fearful to complete the act. And then they were afraid she would tell on them. Their desire to silence her, plus sexual frustration, I believe led to her murder. May she rest in peace.
I'd love to hear your analysis on the Judith Barsi case (the child actress who was murdered by her father).
This was so sad. Thank you for a great video Dr. Grande. May Martha RIP.
Michael looks like the best he could do is 'solitary' interaction with himself..........but this was a very serious case especially for this more innocent time (this and Tate-LaBianca murders really shook me and a lot of others) but I mostly feel so sorry for Martha's poor mother who had to live through all of this!! Jim C.
I think Michael was very good looking ... I don't get your point. Maybe its just my taste lol
home awaits
Martha's mother laid down to sleep at midnight knowing her 15 yr old wasn't at home. Pls spare me about it being different so much of a safer time! She let her 15 yr old go to a home with nothing but boys living there at 15??? I was 15 in 84 raised by a single mom she would have never let me go to a home with just boys. She may have let one come to my home to watch a movie or something and I never ever thought my mom was to strict. I would have known better than to even ask to go.
Anyway after my rant on her good ole mom ill say. Why would he stay up in a tree to satisfying himself with no visual. He wasn't seeing her through the window she didn't make it to her room he made sure of that.
Cases involving either kids or young adults hits a little extra. Specially in cases like this where it was so much violence involved. At the same time im a firm believer that its important that you get the right perpetrator in all cases.
Does anyone think getting the right perpetrator is unimportant?
@@eadweard. I wouldnt know what other people think. Im just relaying a comment that are based on my own beliefs.
the Family of Martha! A15 year old Girl!!!!!!!!!
@@eadweard. Yes, corrupt investigators with limited will, energy, time, interest and funds (vis a vis other cases) who just want the "case closed," not to stay "cold."
The creepy "Tree Climber" sounds guilty to me, at the very least he's guilty of being a "Creep" of the 1st order.
Anyone walking beneath that tree could have been struck by chords and arcs of reproductive mucus. It doesn't bare thinking about.
Perhaps this was his way of explaining why there would be his DNA on the grass by her?
@@coffindodger3885 Was her body found under that same tree?
@@JudgeJulieLit yes
@@eadweard. oh god! So gross.. thanks for the image lol
The golf club that killed Martha was Michael's mothers! He was jealous that she was attracted to Tommy 💔
I read Mark Furman's, book. I was happy he got the case reopened. He left the shaft sticking in her eye socket. It broke after hitting her with it. One of the first responders removed the shaft, that had his father's initials on it. It showed me how rich people and the law works. Michael needs to pay for taking that girl's life. Reading Furman's book's, made me interested in forensic science.
Love your presentation style
This murder was sensational when it happened. Martha died in such a horrible way. The Ethel Kennedy connection was exploited in the news. I felt so sorry for Martha's mother. If a teenager was convicted, he most likely would have had his freedom a 18 years old with a closed record. We can speculate about Michael's involvement, yet only he knows for sure.
I love your sense of humor!
Great analysis. Its not who you are,but who you know. That appears to be the over riding factor. Thank you Dr Grande. Great topic
Martha nor her family ever got justice and more than likely cuz of the “Kennedy connection”. None of the Kennedy men were who they perceived themselves to be. Thx once again for the video Dr Grande.
What does this mean??
Got to admit that power corrupts and the Kennedy dynasty was pretty powerful! They seemed to me to bask in a glowing light while being all too human! We all know about Teddy and Chappaquidic (sp?) and maybe John and Bobbie and Marilyn? And the money always there to smooth everything over! I am a Democrat so don't come for me!
None of them and this continues to this day. Rfk jr pretends to be a champion of those injured by ... even wrote a book about that "Doctor" that is talking in front of congress atm. He had a party recently and insisted everyone take that experimental thing that is being forced on everyone. Everything is a lie.
@@eadweard. it means only trust yourself!!
None of this is very helpful. Or thoughtful in the least.
We can thank Mark Furhman for investigating and breaking that case wide open and having it re-opened and gone to trial. Like him or not, he is a good cop and knows how to solve cases.
Yeah by planting evidence, remember the gloves, take the blinders off cardinal, OJ walked because of Furman
@@touco9077 Ohhhhkay.
When you name a murderer, publicly, in print you expose yourself to lawsuits if you are wrong. Fuhrman was right, Michael can't sue.
@@touco9077 that my friend is a crock of shit. He didn't plant anything...didn't have to...OJ was as bad at murder as he was at acting.
😮 yes, he’s an excellent detective
Dr. Grande, can you please analyze the case of Maya Millette, the San Diego woman who disappeared in early January and never found, then her husband got arrested for her murder 2 weeks ago, and now there is a temporary custody battle between the husband's parents and the sister of Maya? This calls for an interesting analysis. Thanks.
Perfectly timed with my lunch, Dr. Grande! Thank you. I'll watch this, then go back to the Bella grande episode on Richard Ramirez.
Me too, it’s interesting...
This was a very interesting case. Could you please cover the Brandon Teena case? Thanks, Doc
Oh gosh, the movie "Boys Don't Cry" shook me up for nearly a week. I felt physically sick seeing a human being treated that way. The middle to the end was so disturbing and excruciating to watch. Dr. G's take would definitely be interesting.
@@annal7364 yeah the whole story itself had a powerful effect. And even the interviews with the killers and the survivors was haunting. Brandon's experience woke some people up.
We're talking about ties to a family whose patriarch had his own daughter lobotomized because she was "troublesome". Poor Martha didn't stand a chance at getting justice. Money and power saves a scumbag's hide again. I always felt such sympathy for Martha's mother as well. It had to be so frustrating and disheartening to watch them live their lives freely.
You're talking about an entirely different family who had the daughter lobotomized. The Skakel family had nothing to do with that. Joseph P. Kennedy had the procedure done on his daughter.
@@texan903 “Ties” is the key word.
Can you PLEASE do the Jeffery MacDonald case!? That would be very interesting to hear what you think!
Oh my. I read the book about him in 1984. He’s the one accused of killing his family, right? I think he was guilty as sin.
Very good TV movie done on it with Karl Malden as father.
Oooh I read this book. So interesting & glad you are covering. Settling in to listen now. Thanks Dr G😊💟💟
Please cover the Circleville Letters Case? Thanks Dr. Grande.
Poor little girl.
I read about this case many years ago. I'm happy you're covering it, Dr. Grande. 💙🙏
Many years ago I was with my boyfriend visiting one of the Skakel's homes, on a ski resort in NY state. My boyfriend told me ahead of time about Michael. Lo and behold Michael showed up the next day. It gave new meaning to "speak of the devil".
I get that vibe very strongly from both brothers. Sorry you had to be in his presence.
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I've never heard of this case, but the more I listened, the more I couldn't wait to hear your thoughts at the end! I can't even imagine the amount of rage that would have to be involved to kill somebody so brutally, so terribly sad!
I had to laugh though, when you were saying how "The dogs never told them what all the barking was about.... they never explain their reasons for their behavior." 😂
I love your dry humor. And the way you analyze these true crimes😃
Martha has gotten her justice if this case is always in the open with everyone continuing to talk about her horrific murder by the Skakel brothers.
Martha didn't get justice. Michael Skakel served just 13 years for bashing her head in with a golf club. I'll bet he's just a wonderful, productive, loving human being today.
You are just the best!! Humer is so appreciated! I look forward to hearing from you daily! Thank you!
I come from a golfing family, and can't even imagine the sheer force it would take to snap a 6i. Or, you know, any club. Like, how the hell do you even do that? That is terrifying. And believe me I've seen some angry people on golf courses, clubs getting flung all over the place (golfing with teenage boys is fun lol). I have never once seen a club snap, not even the cheap ones that look like they're about to snap at any time. Just.....yikes.....that is almost superhuman levels of strength and evil in equal measure.
Clubs snap easily. I'm a 38 season high school golf coach.
@@barryshanley5882 The only way a steel shaft snaps is over the knee.
The exact same club was snapped like a twig when the case was looked at by an ex prosecutor who was wearing high heels & just put her foot on the club in the middle without much force at all. The Oxygen 3 part series covered the other people who were not interviewed at the time & is worth watching if the case intrigues you.
I’m from PA & we always called it Devil’s Night
I think you’re right. The barking dog was, sadly, an incidental red herring. A dog barking on “mischief night” when kids are crawling all over a neighborhood. Tsk, tsk.
Michael had means, motive, opportunity and access to a *very specific* weapon, unlike the alleged two strangers to whom the brand-new tutor gave a ride. money and power.
She engaged in consensual kissing with Tommy that night. He reportedly went home and watched t.v. Michael got the shaft that night. Then he gave it to Martha. In the neck.
How’s that for Privileged Male privilege circa 1975?
I read a book on this, decades ago. I noted-perhaps I remember wrongly?-that the golf bag was said to have been kept inside the back door of the Skakels’ house.
Thanks, Dr. G., for another trip down the memory lane of my youth. It was a bad trip. 😉 But your voice relaxes, so 🙏 thank you much.
Another of my favorite cases! Thanks Dr. G.
We called it DEVIL’s night in southwest Detroit. Legend is there’s nothing left in Detroit to burn.
I grew up in Detroit when all the Devil’s Night fires happened. First thing I thought of too when he called it Mischief Night!
I grew up in southwest detroit but left there several yrs before devil's night began. Heard of it from friends still living in the area. Not much that happened in Detroit made it to the national news, probably due to PC sensibility. I still miss the old place and regret that my liberal leanings induced me, as a white person, to acquiesce to black desires that all whites could leave now, please
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Mayor Colman Young was something else. I still remember the nightly local news being challenged by a reporter and his calling him “white boy” on camera. Made himself into a racist 2 year old in the blink of an eye. Then there’s the mayor kwame kilpatrick scandal that made National news, stealing from the board and citizens as the uj in politics. Racist as all get out as well.
Hello Dr. Grande. I watch you content often , enjoy and learn a few things. keep up the good work!
We called it Devils Night in Connecticut during the 70s, but we weren’t rich.
I have been listening to you Dr. For a long time! This I will say very down to earth you are! I hope you continue your wisdom to the public!! An hope you don't stray to fouchi!! Very smart Man I say! Happy New good man!!
"The French Connection". One of my all-time most favorite movies.
Those crazy Kennedys.
I think there's been a black over them for years. Yes, they have power, but, at what cost. Seems anyone attached to them gains the black cloud.
Always interesting.
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Good evening, Dr Grande.🙋🌵🪴🌵🪴 How is everything? Good, I hope ! I just watched Dateline about this. Thank You for covering it!
it's Mischief night here in Florida as well, I've also heard devils night as well
I am really enjoying your "speculation" about people in true crime. This was enthralling, and it is interesting to hear your analysis at the end! Thank you.
This case has fascinated me for years.
Thank you Dr Grande for covering this case.
I live in New England so this case was centered and heart breaking. Dr Grande you did a great job analyzing it. I was going to ask you to analyzing the Ted Kennedy case but I just saw that you did. I read Ted''s book published after he died so I am interested in what really happened.
Your snicker after saying dogs aren't allowed in court made me laugh! , and your dry delivery, I subscribed!
Martha rejected Michael that night (just like his mother left him) after he knew she had been alone with Tommy. Michael was home way before 11pm because according to the Skakel sister she heard a loud argument in the mud room between Tommy and Michael as Martha left the house. Michael grabbed his trusty 6 iron to pursue Martha as she walked home. It was a crime of extreme violence against a girl who chose Tommy over him. Tommy knew his brother was guilty because he knew his brother. Mark Furhman’s book got retribution for Martha.
I agree with you, Dr. Grande. I read endless articles about the facts of the case when it happened, plus I heard an interview of Martha’s mother. Your conclusion is true.
When Martha was found, reports say police couldn't even tell what color hair she had because her hair was so immersed with blood
I agree with your analysis 100% This case has always bothered me. Marthas poor Mother tried and did keep this case in the public eye. She was devastated by the death of her daughter but if I remember correctly, Mrs. Moxley did not live to see Michael Skakel arrested for the murder. I saw Mrs. Moxley on a TV show and it just broke my heart. For years she fought for justice for Martha. I believe the fact that Michael was a cousin of the Kennedy's played a huge part in why he was not arrested till years later. And still, in the end, he was never convicted. If he had not been a Kennedy cousin it would have been an open and shut case from the beginning. Power and wealth do work in favor even when your guilty.
I enjoyed your analysis and agree that he was guilty but not beyond a reasonable doubt. We loose sight of the victims here. Martha and her Mother. Thank you Dr. Grande for your interesting analysis and for covering this case. 😪 RIP Martha and her Mother.
Dorthy Moxley lived through every decision in this case. Today, she is 91 years old and resides in New Jersey.
This story is enough to make anyone sick, if Martha was my daughter, I would just do the same with the michael dude...dump him in my own backyard and be like "idk what u talkin about...I was watching Adam's Family at that time...have no idea"
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Thanks, Doc.
Mark Furman wrote a very good book abou this case years ago. I believe it had a lot to do with opening the case. I saw several interviews with Martha's mother. Such a wonderful sweet woman she was.
Random thought, but I really like his background. The green plants, cacti & such, are a nice touch. Simple & calming. Giving a Mr. Rogers typa vibe.
Informative and entertaining; however, my thoughts dwell not only on her murderer, but on a lovely young woman who had her whole life ahead of her abruptly ended.
Thank•s Dr. Grande, excellent as always!
Please do an analysis of the movie "A Beautiful Mind"
You are teaching me more acceptable phrases to describe events and behaviors other than my usual vulgar outbursts. Thank you!
This happened in my hometown, very close to the home of my friends. It is still very much in the minds of our police department. R.I.P.
Great analysis after all this time.
You made the events of this very clear. Thanks.
Dr grande you should cover the chappaquiddick incident!
Good one, Dr Grande!
New sub here 😊 I don't remember hearing of this case before, I'm interested in your analysis.
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This is an extremely intelligent, analytical and balanced piece. Great work.