JonBenet Ramsey Murder | Ransom Note Analysis | Mental Health & Personality
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2020
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That "ransom" note is the single most ridiculous piece of evidence I have seen in true crime. An intruder did not write that note.
I remember so vividly at that time thinking that there was just no way that a stranger wrote that ransom letter. It was SO LONG and sounded like a random note from a movie. It actually is worded like something from a movie. The family, the mom and dad knew exactly what happenned to her.
The intruder(s) were likely in the house for hours waiting, therefore he or they had a lot of time on their hands so it's not surprising the letter was long. We are talking about very sick individual here, so common sense can't always be applied in any analysis. It's someone that knew them and the young msn who killed himself shortly after is your killer.
@@fernfreeman1729 good point.
@@deidrecoday1269 The guy who killed himself even had a similar flashlight with the one left on the kitchen counter, the Ramsay's didnt, plus his family has refused to allow LE to get a sample for his DNA.
Yes they did.
The one thing that never set right with me was they didn’t search their own house. If your child is not in the house where she is suppose to be wouldn’t you turn your house upside down looking for her.
I know right? My 6 year old finds it funny to hide from me sometimes and I check every room twice, thrice if need be till I find him
You would....unless you believed the fake ransom note you wrote yourself that she had been taken. That was their cover to NOT search
@@lindamon5101 Yes......they wanted to send the police on an out of home search so they could have time to move the body.....on a boat or private plane.....or whatever. The whole reason for the "ransome" was to divert the search
jb b if they wanted to move her out wouldn't they have just waited to call the police though?
@@JB-js4xi wrong. The intruder was caught 2m down the road months after jbr murder. This lil girls mom caught him so he fled. Lookup 14yr old assaulted after jbr
I read that note three times. It's highly contrived and strident. Its tone matches the mother's bombastic conversational style in her interviews. The mother wrote the note.
Way to use that good southern common sense of yours Brian.
ABSOLUTELY AGREE ❤
Brian Ritchey It has never been proven the mother wrote the note and until it has been proven don't make assumptions about who did write it.
And I have read that note 3 hundred and 33 times.
Interestingly enough, only a half dozen of the 46 alphabet characters in the 1400 character note approach Patsy's identifiers. Comes to mind "a" (Patsy has three of these which are context dependent, not positional), perhaps "w", I want to say "D" or "d" (I'm doing this from memory and it's been some months), possibly "S" and "s" (but not consistent). Rather than individual letters, a more telling sign are descenders.
Patsy used two 'q's. One, as in 'quite', is formed by making a 'c' and then the reversed descent of a 'g', with complete overlap of the final descender (full loop). The second cinsists of making a descending 's', followed by closing the gap at the top to form the upper closed portion of the 'q'. These are unique enough to be indicators.
Pay close attention to the "l"s (that's lower case"L") and "y"s. The first in the ransom note invariably has a crook in it, making the "l" look like a lightening ⚡ in the Ransom note. Patsy never makes "l"s like that. Doubt if she's capable. Another noticable difference is the "y" which invariably has a hook up to the right at the bottom of the descender in the ransom note. Patsy's never do this. Again, nothing like Patsy's. Probably 90% of the note characters don't come close to Patsy's. Cina said 200 similarities or something like that. Out of 1400 characters. However, she was not presented absolute exemplars and actually analyzed a couple hundred different documents from various sources to select a most likely exemplar or set of exemplars. They supposedly came from Patsy, but the samples that I saw definitely did not. Probably JB's 😂😂.
Patsy definitely did not write the note. Police took a ton of VHS out of the houses and I'll bet not one of the movies quoted in the ransom note were in the bunch.
EXACTLY!! Admonishing him to be rested. I would believe a murder by stranger, if not for the note.
I'm glad you brought up the point that the Ramsey's were not concerned when the ransom deadline passed without a call. This is one of my key points for the Ramsey's being involved. I cannot think of a logical reason you would not be freaked that the kidnappers did not call unless you knew there was no kidnapping.
It was the wrong day is all
Don’t point to guilt
& they left Burke upstairs all alone. Why didn't they get him up & ask him son are you ok ? Did you see or hear anything last night ? Why were they not afraid the intruders might still be hiding in the house ? I know I'd have my other child right downstairs with me.
I’d be waiting by the phone for sure
They weren't worried when the deadline passed. They were also told to not contact anyone, police or anyone, but they called friends and family to show up. Even if you call the police, if you believe you're being watched, you don't call over the entire neighborhood.
@@terrikuykendall7580 They were waiting by the phone.
John was instructed to ask to speak to JonBenet when the call came.
Every time the phone rang Patsy collapsed as if someone punched her in the stomach.
An intruder waltzes into the house to partake in a diligently premeditated kidnapping, but decides not to bring a ransom note and instead take their sweet time writing one once they’ve already broken in using the family’s own paper and pen which they wouldn’t even know would be there. Then the perpetrator manages to get to Jon Benet & murder her without alerting anyone in the home, only to then leave the body behind, forfeiting the ransom. If you believe that for a second you’re a loon.
YEP! That''s the common sense conclusion imo.
Exactly.
And the perpetrator hangs out writing practice drafts of the note in the house before they leave the body behind.
100% agree!!!
@kyleklemm20Who is this woman?
What I NEVER understood about this case (I lived in Denver at the time and the Ramsey family members were well known in the "social circuit" in Boulder) was WHY IN THE HELL were her parents not immediately separated and QUESTIONED separately to compare their stories. This should have been done immediately. The Boulder police totally screwed this case up from day one. They were known at the time as being very corrupt. Boulder was called "Disneyland" because of all the crimes that went unprosecuted. It was such a tragic case and we will NEVER know what actually happened. No justice for that poor baby girl.
In high society even police can be bought
It’s obviously just a grammatical error.
Im still holding out hope that somehow God will let it be known
At first, the police thought it was a kidnapping not a murder. Why would they separate the parents?
The cops didn't know what to do and they made HUGE mistakes.They admit that.
One thing that stood out for me was when the 911 operator told the police that Patsy was hysterical on her initial call but when she hung up the phone she did it improperly and the operator could hear their conversation. They were talking very calmly and it seems like her hysterics were a ruse to mislead the police. Patsy wrote the note, faked the call and almost certainly knows what actually happened.
Very interesting.
We have the recorded call. You can listen to it. Some people belive they can hear voices afterwards, but I certainly can only hear static noise that could be anything...
Yes! She was hysterical but it stopped when she thought she hung up the phone! Even if we’ll never know what was said in the background, but it sounds like normal conversation, not panicked or hysterical like Patsy JUST was.
@@maxwellsdemon10Yes but if Patsy was really upset you would hear her wailing taper off into the distance. Or hear her yell to John somewhere since you don’t hear him upset near by on the phone. Not instantly stop. Keep in mind, her only daughter has been “kidnapped”. I would think in that situation the man would call because he has a better chance of being more level headed and less hysterical. The father would be better at relaying important information, even when upset. That’s just a moment where a husband and father would take charge
@@abbymonroe929 I think extrapolating from the behaviour of people in extreme situations is almost always bad.
People act weird in stressful situations and some innocent people just act like the most guilty motherfuckers around.
The only thing that could have made that ransom note any more absurd was if it ended with the phrase "This message will self destruct".
😂😂😂
Yes better yet if she signed it at the end.
What stood out to me in the ransom note was when the author wrote, "Use that good Southern common sense of yours....." There's no way a foreign faction would've written that.
lol, and no one calls their group a "small foreign faction". Oh, we're just a small little group, and if you're reading this in America, we are foreigners. lol
A woman says that
Obviously a typo. The writer meant to say, "foreign fiction."
John Ramsey wasn't even from the south...means the intruder didn't know John Ramsey personally.
@@darkhorse9472 Or it was a deliberate error to remove suspicion from someone he did know.
The ransom note alone screams ridiculous cover-up
There's no evidence to support your statement that the ransom note was a 'cover-up".
It shoulda been the "smoking gun" error by the writer..wasn't no need for it..a pro sure wouldn't done it..she/he thought it would distance the whole family from having part in the death(accidental)
Ronda G patsy wrote the note look at a paper of hers and compare it
@Tabernacle of David
DNA eliminated the Ramseys. What don't you understand about DNA?
Agreed. I always thought the parents covered it up to protect their son. I've always believed her brother killed her by accident.
The fact that her body wasn't found before it was is the craziest part, I would have torn my house apart. Police didn't search well enough for certain, why? They were out of their depth? Too concerned with offending the Wealthy Ramseys?
No one can say anything based on that. They thought anything, except that the girl would be dead in the basement when it was a circumstance in which they thought they were dealing with a possible kidnapping. The basement was probably out of her reach so that she or her brother wouldn't go in there unsupervised. It's even more complicated because in JonBenet's pajamas unknown DNA was found and not compatible with anyone in the house.
Well because they thought it was a kidnapping
We had a murder/ suicide next door to us in FL. The police never even went around the outside of the house. Where the body was. Helicopters called, dogs, massive 2 hour search...wasting tons of taxpayer $. Pls do the obvious first!
@@mariec.albuquerque6446It is well known that it could be touch DNA from a factory worker who handled her clothing. I mean it was touch DNA. That can be from anyone who has ever been in contact with an item or article.
Can DNA be transferred purposely by one of the family members by being out somewhere and maybe have gloves on and intentionally take a napkin or something and place it where someone else could get their DNA on it and then one of the family members take that napkin and transfer the DNA to JonBenet's body to throw investigators off with the idea of a intruder?
This guy saved my life. Seriously, I had a bad bout of insomnia, I hadn't slept for over 4 days and it was getting rough! I had tried everything-including pills. However god lined this old miracle up inside my que and I shit you not I didn't even finish the video. Pure bliss.
I woke up 2 days later with the biggest smile on my face since 2013. Man to this day I was able to tell my doctor to stop prescribing me my meds.
You think im playing, but this man is a gift from God
Lol sounds like you need ASMR
😂😂😂
Who doesn’t look the house over, top to bottom, when they discover their child is missing from their bed? I would’ve turned my house upside down and continued to do so....
true, it's an obvious and instinctive behaviour...it looks like they knew already where the body was, I mean the body and not the child...
@@Alfakkin they knew exactly what happened
Texas Gigi , I would have too!! I would have gotten everyone up and had everyone including Burke , to be looking for my child..
First of all, this isn't about you. You have no idea how you would react in that situation.
And, JonBenet wasn't just 'missing', the note said she was kidnapped. John & Patsy quickly checked her room and Burke's room. Patsy then IMMEDIATELY called 911. Nothing wrong with that! You do know the Ramsey home was huge, over 7,000 s/f and 4 floors, right? Just to put that into perspective, there were 8 bathrooms alone in their home.
DNA from an unknown male left on JonBenet's body eliminated the Ramseys as suspects over a decade ago. Boulder Police Dept. has cleared them, and they continue to search for the perp, as it is an open and ongoing investigation.
All scientific evidence points to an intruder and away from the Ramseys. You can't change science. Science doesn't lie, but trolls on YT certainly do.
DARK HORSE , a natural reaction is to check your home, no matter how many floors there are.. here’s the kicker, they didn’t get any money! Nor was there a call from the kidnapper. And just bc the Ramsey’s were cleared doesn’t mean they weren’t involved.. yeah they checked her room , ... I do know how I would react .. bc my children mean everything to me and I wouldn’t stop looking to make sure all unturned stone s have looked at.. I know I wouldn’t just wait! When she was in the house that night.. ppl who don’t have children wouldn’t know how they would react.. that Ransom letter , 3 pages was to throw off suspension.. no kidnapper , will right a letter, and be all formal about it.. they would get to the point and the point is about money.. which they didn’t receive.. your right This isn’t about me it’s about JonBent and she deserves justice.. the killer needs held accountable.. and I happen to care, about her and other children .. she didn’t deserve this, and it’s funny that the killer quickly knew what room she was in , since the house was 4 levels... there’s new technology out every yr , so it’s about time for a fresh look at this case and should be looked at from scratch!!!!
The ransom note has always struck me as being rather theatrical. Almost like a ransom note in a murder mystery game.
Hippie Dachshunds I agree. It was very theatrical. But think about it. The alleged intruder wanted to mock the family and fantasized the murder. It was never a ransom note. The girl was never going to survive. It was to throw them off. To make them suffer.
Hippie Dachshunds people who think it is a family member just do not understand that this note contains the profile of the killer. And that profile does not match any of the family members.
Exactly, Ginevra Style this was never an actual kidnapping..The person or persons that did this was out for blood and I believe that John Ramsey had done something in his past that caused this to happen..He probably doesn't even know who or why but I agree this was all staged fro many different reasons..
@@judyholiday1794 I have watched a documentary that will challenge this idea. It is really a good documentary. Here's the link: www.dailymotion.com/video/x1xanjr
@@judyholiday1794 There is nothing in John's history suggesting violent behavior. So that is only speculation. There is no evidence supporting it.
Feel bad laughing during this analysis but you’re commentary on the ransom note was hilarious. But you’re right! It was the kindest and well written ransom note I’ve ever heard of. Great thoughts on this case.
I'm sure the note is fake, but the reasons given are not proof of it being fake by any means. This guy (and nearly everyone in the comments) has obviously never studied the psychological behavior of criminals. Sociopaths and psychopaths in particular USUALLY ARE perfectly calm and collected at the scene of a crime. Guilty people also very commonly try to stage a different crime to throw the cops off, not realizing how ridiculous their fake crime looks. I could go on and on. This whole video is absurd and this guy comes across as remarkably arrogant.
@@AdelineCowgirlthat's what makes him so great. His arrogance although I don't believe he is just comes across that way but he's not.
Writing a 2 page (!) ransom note, feels like something very personal ,the exact amount of ransom money and the concern processing the ransom money....i believe it was someone in the family
No one committing such a crime would delay leaving the scene of the crime to leisurely write a long, drawn out ransom note on the homeowners notepad. Ridiculous.
@@annahale1187 good point, maybe they wrote it beforehand?
@@tj-ln2ep how? it was from patsys notebook
I'm a police officer (and someone old enough to remember this case as a young adult - I was 20 when it happened) and I agree with the commenters that the Boulder Police screwed this up very badly. As soon as they got on scene, they should have gotten everyone out of the house, secured the perimeter, and obtained a search warrant. Period. This process should have been explained to the parents in a straight-forward and non-accusatory way, but none the less, it should have happened despite any objections on their part. It's absurd that the police allowed John Ramsey to re-enter the house unaccompanied. I even knew this at the time it happened as a 20 year old rather minimally trained security policeman in the Air Force. I was shocked that actual homicide detectives could make such terrible blunders.
Thank you for your service. I hope one day this tragedy will be solved.
On purpose. Paid off or otherwise compromised.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge, officer! I've always thought that this cause would be solved a great group of people like you with previous knowledge and experience all from different points of view: A lawyer, a police officer, a former judge and a district attorney.
An FBI profiler doesn't believe the Ramseys are involved and a profile of a suspect stated that he or she might commit suicide and that is what happened. One suspect did kill himself. The FBI believes 3 people are involved in this tragedy.
Thank You for your Service. Stay Safe.
The father shouldn’t have been told to search the house. And everyone but the police and family should have been told to leave. The police should have been searching the house. Nuts.
Yeah that was a hella botched police investigation! It's asinine how bad that was.
The police were completely incompetent.
@@jennyclark6183 A thousand percent agree. That poor baby...wonder if we'll ever know what happened that night.
The cops did a shitty job. JonBenet was killed by her father or one of the neighbors because she fought with them because they were going to rape her AGAIN!!!!
@@kimmyhawk5612 her body didn't show signs of much a struggle like bruises. Thus, leads one to think it was someone she trusted. It's all so sad.
I remember this case. The police were placed under a lot of pressure because of the family’s wealth. One or two detectives quit because they were discouraged from higher ups from pursuing certain leads.
Money is power
Bertha Lewis The Ramseys were placed under a lot of pressure because of all the lies the police told the media.
Bertha.. what is your feeling on this case
@@debraharrison-hl9cz Debra.. what do you think happened
@@Tiburon876 Someone who knew the Ramseys murdered JonBenet.
This person acted as their friend but secretly hated them especially John.
He/she stole Patsy's handwriting and copied and copied it until they got it perfect.
He/she broke in when the Ramseys were out with the already written ransom note.
He/she waited until everyone was asleep, took JonBenet to the basement and did those horrible things to her.
Then left the ransom note and left the house.
It was never about a kidnapping, it was all about causing as much pain and anguish to John Ramsey as possible.
I believe the murderer was a male because she had unknown male DNA on her underwear, her leggings and underneath her fingernails.
Jon was found with a ligature knotted exactly as shown in the scout's handbook he received for Christmas. The knot is used by scouts and sailors, he was in the scouts and still sails today. The stain on her body was not determined as anything other than a smear. Then there are the contents of her stomach, which contained pineapple. There was an unfinished bowl on the table at the crime scene. Burke knew that both he and she ate this with milk but failed to identify it in later photos. You say that there was no need for Burke to kill Jon Benet, but he smeared excrement on her bed. Technicians found “faeces smeared on a box of candy” she had gotten for that Christmas”. This abnormal behavior suggests that Burke not only had mental issues, but he also may have had jealousy issues towards his sister and he had a lot to be jealous of, especially the constant attention lavished upon his sibling. You say that he would not have been tried as an adult so therefore you hypothesise that it wasn't him. If Burke was responsible for the molestation and subsequent death of his own sister, I submit that neither parent would ever want that getting out. The father showed some knowledge of forensics, by placing the body in the coldest room in the house, a place that staff said was almost impossible to find without knowledge of the layout. The long delay in finding the body and the colder temperature would make the time of death harder to ascertain. The body cools at 1.5 degrees F every hour (from normal 37 degrees c.), this is called Algor Mortis, but this is affected by heat and other factors like clothing and weight. Then he contaminated the crime scene. They rang family and friends before law enforcement was contacted and police, FBI investigators and family, relatives and friends flooded the scene, further contaminating the house and surrounding land. Mrs. Ramsey’s sister walked into the house and left with a couple of suitcases full of material. According to agents, no one at the scene knew who she was!” There was no intruder. If there had been, the parents would know, and be keen, not to touch anything. Instead, they contaminated everything. She was in full rigour when the pathologist came at 8PM, which occurs 6 to 8 hours after death. So, that means she had to have been killed between Midnight and 2AM (she was last seen in bed at 10.30). I would suggest that this is far too early for an intruder to be entering someone's home. The coroner notes that petechial haemorrhages were caused during strangulation, so she was still alive after the head trauma. If she had been found with head trauma alone, it would have not fit the kidnapper hypothesis, so strangulation of an already dying girl would be needed to cover it up. The wound was very obvious.This fits my hypothesis, that she was fatally wounded by the torch, which had Jon's DNA on it. I believe Burke hit her in a fit of rage, possibly for eating his pineapple. A scream was heard around 12.30 by a neighbour. A single, young girl's scream. The father, upon carrying the body of Jon Benet from the basement into the room asked if she was dead and the officer said, ‘yes, she’s dead’. She had been deceased some hours at this point and it would have been blatantly obvious as she was in full rigor (she would have been stiff as a board). He does not even check her pulse before bringing her up from the basement, which is extremely odd if he thought there was a chance she was still alive. The handwriting matched Patsy's, it was her pen and pad and her fingerprints were on the preposterous ransom note. The case in the cellar which contained evidence was also Burke's. Remember, Burke was never tested for DNA. No kidnapper leaves their source of income behind. The smiling in his video is likely to confuse behaviour analysts, after all, if you keep the same expression for the entire interview, no one can get a baseline, from which to read subsequent expressions and reactions to questions. I think you need to read the autopsy reports! Dr. John E. Meyer expressed that there was evidence of a possible rape of the victim before she was killed. Duct tape was also found to have been added after death. Burke was easy to anger and had previously struck JonBenet with a golf club after getting mad, leaving her with a scar on her face. The coroner hypothesised that it may have been a childish game gone wrong. Certainly, the half-eaten pineapple was her last meal and had to have been eaten less than four hours before her death. Patsy said that Burke had eaten pineapple and milk the same evening, whilst Jon Benet slept, but Burke claims not to recognise (or admit) what it is in later photos. This points to someone luring her downstairs and then into the cellar, probably using the flashlight. I think that this was a regular occurrence. I believe either parent would have simply turned the lights on. Jon was seen 20-30 times at the hospital, they suspected vaginal chronic sexual abuse. The house had a multi-room basement, the parents were on the third floor, and her brother was at the far end of the same floor. Any scream would not have been heard by them. The Killer, if you believe that nonsense, had a familiarity with the layout of the house, knew which floor the children's rooms were on and knew where to locate pens, and paper.The killer seemingly also knew which stairs were likely to be used in the morning to leave the ransom note (there was more than one.) and only one was used every morning. If you want stats: Ligature strangulation is much more likely to occur when the victim is acquainted with their killer. Sadistic features are rare ie. tying up, and penetrating with an object. Elements of staging associated with the crime scene suggest that the crime scene was presented to represent a sexually sadistic homicide scene, but was done to cover a domestic homicide. FBI data suggests that when a child under the age of 12 is murdered, a family member is a likely culprit. The almost token amount of sexual activity and penetration suggest again that the homicide was staged to appear as sexually-oriented, but lacked the depth of effort and reward that would be expected of a sexual predator.Thus, the offender can be expected to be: • Adult Female • Personality disordered • Known to the victim and family. The use of ligature strangulation suggests the crime was committed by a 'female; because ligatures are used when the person doing the strangulation has the belief that the victim may be able to overpower them during the act. I would suggest that this would also apply to Burke. Neither the mother or father would have needed one to strangle Jon Benet, but he was just a nine-year-old boy. One interesting piece of evidence, much overlooked, is that Patsy was still dressed in the same party clothes the next day and still had make-up on, suggesting that she'd not actually been to bed. Most odd for an image-conscious woman. Neither parent comforted the other and they sat apart, not speaking. Whatever the truth actually is, the murder was committed by someone in that household.
God see all the hearts🙏🏽
Great synopsis. Totally agree. Allow me to condense: Burke accidentally killed Jonbenet with the heavy metal mag-light flashlight out of jealousy (where's my pineapple?), major skull fracture, death shortly thereafter.The parents were so freaked out, they figured, if we turn Burke in, well lose both our children, one through homicide, the other to the court system, and a ruinous reputation for all. So the coverup began: laughable ransom note, excoriations to her genital area, strangulation, store body in the near freezing basement to thwart decomposition (but not rigor mortis). Burke is whisked away from scene and for the next ten 10 years, and is still largely in hiding. End of story.
so sad
Great analysis. That was interesting reading, thanks.
steve mcmillan, I agree with everything you said.
"small foreign faction" No one calls themselves "foreign." That ransom note is a mess.
There are a few international organisations/religious nuts who target wealthy people for money.
@@clairepaterson2374 yes, I'm not saying they aren't foreign, I'm saying no one calls themselves foreign. You are not foreign to yourself. They might have used the word "international." At any rate, the point is moot since it's very clear Patsy wrote that letter.
@@carenann918 I always considered it to be a sign that the maid might have written it.
@@carenann918 There were a lot of contradictions as well. Menacing, and then almost downright friendly.
@@clairepaterson2374 Yes, but they don't call THEMSELVES "foreign".
When I was in highschool, our forensics teacher had us rewrite the ransom note. If I remember correctly, it took the class between 20-30 minutes- some people did write with their left hand because some of us theorized patsy wrote it with her non dominant hand. You can’t convince me an intruder wasted almost a half hour writing a ransom note on paper that was already in the home.
Exactly. And for whom English is a second language. "Foreign faction" would be precise, to the point. Only American writers (the parents) would ramble using tv, movie references, and sound overly motherly (concerned about wellbeing).
And you guys already knew what it said they'd have to think it up and write in the house.
The DNA evidence is a major outlier though
Forensic Teacher?
Unless it was written by an intruder already in the house who was waiting for them......
The note was likely a failed attempt to remove the body from the home in a large suitcase, completing the cover up as a kidnapping. The $118k was exactly John's bonus amount and what the Ramseys knew was in their account so they wouldn't have delays waiting on transfers from other accounts and assets. The part about making sure John was rested first because the day would be tiring makes perfect sense if it was written by an exhausted person who'd had a long day of holiday celebrations and then was up all night because their child died in their home and they had to figure out how to cover it up. Someone desperate to get a little sleep and dreading the inevitable events of the next day which would be further exhausting.
You didn’t mention JonBenet’s sexual assaults. That is the key to the murder. She was examined multiple times by her pediatrician. These murders are deep and coverups everywhere.
Agreed. It was noted on autopsy also. She had vaginal scarring from repeated penetrations.
AGREED!! 3 Seperate pathologists concurred previous sexual abuse.
Dont care about that stupid note. This case a sexual torture pedo cult, that went too far.
Total COVERUP by both parents and ALL INVOLVED in the "Cult"....
Good point. The father did it. He was used to abusing her. The mother knew about it and looked the other way. Then she covered up the crime, just as she had been covering for Ramsey's sexual abuse all those years leading up to the murder.
@@ytalchemy I’m going with the mother did it when her daughter mentioned the abuse and got a whack on the head for crazy talk, accidentally hitting her too hard. They both covered it up with the father eager to contaminate the scene because he put her in the basement while Mommy wrote the note.
I don't think so. It would be pretty dumb to do that then stage something totally insane. A pediatrician is required by law to report abuse and there was nothing ever reported. Only her brother was documented and shown to be continuously hurting and harassing her.
I just love Dr. Grande’s dry sense of humor and subtle sarcasm. 😆
Right ??!!! These are the best!
same he is so shady i love it lol
I didn't know the Ramseys had an open window(s) to allow for one or more extension cords for outside Christmas lights. I wonder where this information comes from.
lol 👍
The fact that has made up my mind is the fact that the detective had to tell both John and patsy that 10 am had passed. Parents who knew their daughter was already dead would not realize what time it was but parents that thought their daughter was kidnapped and still alive would have both been glued to the telephone from 9 to 11. Shame on those parents.
They were probably too much in shock.
Same here. Very telling that 10:00 am came and went, with no call from the kidnappers, and the Ramseys had totally forgotten about that part of the ransom note. For me, it is like a smoking gun of sorts.
@@vickijohnson9704 or they killed their kid
I think, IF they weren't involved, they were intelligent enough to discern that the note was a farce, just like everyone else.
That's an excellent point 👏
I think her brother, Birch, killed her and The parents covered it up. Patsy wrote the 📝 ransom note. I had been severely and repetitively beaten by my brother from age 4, he is 3 years older. I feared for my life often, and lock myself in the bathroom. Even when my mother was called into school because my brother had written an essay called, “how to kill your sister and get away with it“ she still did nothing. I’m very lucky that I’m still alive. I was in Wyoming, which is not far from Colorado. Brother to sister abuse happens!
Um...first of all, it's Burke, not "Birch." Second, Burke was nine years old at the time. Third, I don't believe your story for one second.
I believe your story, but I don't believe Burke assaulted his sister. I was assaulted repeatedly during childhood by a kid which left me with cuts and bruises for over a year. Nothing was done to stop it or help me.
@@maxalberts2003that’s mean :/
Why wouldnt you believe it??
Sounds legit to me. However just bc someone has gone thru sibling abuse doesn’t mean that ALL brothers are guilty of torturing and murdering their younger sisters Js 🤷🏻♀️
@@leighannestephenson2289 People in this country are so twisted, so mentally off--they're describing a NINE YEAR OLD BOY. Have YOU raised a kid? I find that the people who make these kinds of judgements don't have children. Why would anyone even WANT to suspect a young child of such a sophisticated and evil crime?
@@maxalberts2003 it’s not uncommon for kids to hit other kids hard in the head. Evidence shows he has hit her with a golf stick before
My husband and I had to prove we did not write checks, that someone else wrote from our account. It took about 5 minuets of writing to prove it was not us! That is how unique each of us write. Pasty wrote that note and could not prove she did not by writing samples!! The family killed that girl and MONEY is why no one was arrested!
That's right, Belinda! Handwriting is an individual unique trait akin to finger prints and dental anatomy.
@@pianoman551000 See the book Sex, Lies and Handwriting for clear evidence that Patsy wrote it with her nondominant hand. She subsequently admitted that she was ambidextrous. True Crime Rocket Science did an outstanding video on the content of the 'note.'
The family had already been cleared through DNA testing that it cannot be them.
It’s impossible to be them
@@tonamg53 thats incorrect, just because other dna was found doesn not mean they didnt help cover it up and write that ridiculous not
@@tankthearc9875 The judges had already cleared the family of any wrong doings in court from the available DNA samples together with the other forensic evidence found at the scene.
Don’t be so ridiculous… there are no evidence suggesting that it’s the family but plenty of other evidence suggesting that it was committed by an unknown third person…
The ransom note makes it difficult to believe that anyone other than the Ramseys was involved.
@@sheilasmith7779 All 5 of them ? And one of them decides to kill the little girl instead of kidnap her, then sits down for an hour and writes a 3 page ransom note ? That makes no sense. IMO, the only reasonable theory is that a family member killed her then the other(s) covered it up.
@@sheilasmith7779 OK there is a 99% chance it was a family member and a 1% chance that one of a handful of people who knew of the bonus decided to kill a child and then sit for an hour in the house writing a silly, rambling, 3 page ransom note. FBI agents have said that they have never seen a ransom note like that. Every time it's usually something like, "We have your child. We want a million dollars. We will call you for further instructions."
I don't think the ransom note is genuine. I think the murderer was trying to frame Patsy. Consider this: The note was written in a hand *like* Patsy's, but not exactly alike. There was also evidence of a practice "draft" in the house. This makes sense if somebody was trying to copy her handwriting. Also, the note is very long and the handwriting is not rushed. If Patsy faked the note after her daughter died - this would be super bizarre. Sure she would have the time to make it, but would somebody in panic mode spend that time to make such a long, bizarre note, and even make a first draft? When a simple "we have your child, leave the money here by this time or you'll never see her again" would have sufficed as a cover up, and been far less suspicious?
That said, John and Patsy both knew a lot more than they let on. They misdirected the investigation, and they kept putting off their police interviews - they only consented once it became obvious they were the prime suspects.
@@sheilasmith7779 One thing that doesn't make sense is the garrot. Specifically the paintbrush part. There is absolutely no reason the paintbrush had to be broken to work. The killer could have left the brush intact, but instead its ends were broken off. This is one of those minor details most overlook, and yet it's so baffling, and the breaking of the brush is so intentional, that it must be of significance. So what purpose did breaking the ends of the brush off serve? Possibly to disguise the object - to make it not look like a brush, which I suppose makes sense if Patsy did it and didn't want her brush to be recognized as a brush. But on the other hand, putting the broken off part of the brush in with Patsy's art supplies would either be monumentally careless if Patsy did it, or an obvious attempt to plant evidence to link Patsy to the weapon. I don't think Patsy would be dumb enough to break the brush so it doesn't look like a brush anymore, and then just toss the parts that were removed back in with her other items, completely obliterating the whole point of disguising the brush in the first place.
@@sheilasmith7779 You are BABBLING.
I'm a cat owner and I look for him everywhere as soon as I notice he's not around. Imagine a child.
EXACTLY... just 2 nights ago our cat didn't wake my husband up at 2am like he always does... so there's my husband walking up and down the street in his slippers and gown, looking for our baby boy. That's why I married him. Too precious!
Lais,
There are other ways to hint that you are single. Also if a note read “we have your precious Jinksey cat and demand a ransom” would you assume the cat was still in the house
@@jamesr1703 it was definitely the dad lol
NEXT TIME... Go look in your neighbors yard/garden... He'll be using it as a TOILET!!
Same with my dog 🐕 ❤️
It happened on Christmas Eve in an expensive neighborhood. It wasn’t done by a random stranger who happened to be in the area.
I believe the fact that jonbenet's father contaminated the scene speaks volumes I've been listening to you for a while and I think you're very analytical and it seems to point towards the father killed her and then the mother wrote the note and they both work together and got away with murder I think your show is incredibly well done and I really appreciate it thank you
Jerry Toro Stop prattling on about John Ramsey contaminating the crime scene.
Didn't Detective Linda Arndt later move JonBenet's body?.
Then she told John and Patsy to say goodbye to her because it would be the only chance they would get.
So further contamination happened when they were laying across her and touching her.
Ehhh... if he is innocent and as a father who just found his murdered daughter it is very normal for him to pick up his dead child. Really the police should have escorted the whole family out of the house. But at the time no one knew JonBenet as dead, the police originally thought she was kidnapped.
It doesn't prove anything. Patsy and John covered for one another or possibly Burke. John could have just as well contaminated the scene to cover for someone else. If your going to cover for someone else, you may as well do a good job.
If you Google facts of case your comment would irrelevant. Biggest mistake a neighbor who heard a loud scream at 1 am didn't call police or patsy. HUGE mistake. Been no time for a long all night cover up an might have caught murderer if she called police. 1st cop on scene was clueless she waiting to long for back up let's Ramsey's an friends mingle thru house ruin forensics. Google facts of case.
@@debraharrison-hl9cz they told him not to and he did it anyway, you cant just throw that out
The ransom note is flat out hilarious. It’s amazing that there was ever any doubt about that for a second.
It is someone trying to write a kidnapping note who only has Hollywood for an example.
And of course, the note instructed the parents not to talk to anyone or Jonbenet would be killed. Then the parents called not only the police but everyone they knew, so they already knew she was dead.
IF they knew Jon Benet was already dead and in the house why leave a note period until they disposed of the body?Even a kidnapping would involve checking the whole house for clues
Dear Patty & john, I've kidnapped your precious daughter from her bedroom. She's in the cellar now dead. Xoxo, The Killer I mean COME ON. It's a red herring. And it did exactly what it was supposed to do. Cast doubt and cause chaos.
While pinpointing the exact murderer(s) and true motives is daunting, there is compelling evidence that the Ramseys were involved in the coverup. Any investigation into this murder needs to start with coverup and work its way toward the culprit.
It's apparent to me that the local police were intimidated by the Ramsey's social status and hesitated to perform a serious investigation at the start.
The Boulder PD were a Community Watch Policing system and the investigators on this case had no experience investigating homicides. The lead investigator was a Bunko Cop, not a Homicide investigator. They were not intimidated by John Ramsey. He had no political status within Boulder. They had only lived in Colorado for 3 years. The issues were political between the Chief of police and the Boulder DA. The Govenor and 5 other County DA's were also involved. There were 3 world renowned pathologists/Medical examinors/Coroners examined Jonbenet's case. They agreed, the evidence was such a mess, they could not make Heads or tails of what happened. The Boulder PD came up with their theory of what they believed happened and tried to make the evidence fit their theory rather than the other way around. The evidence is supposed to tell the story. This is why the Grand Jury could not make a case to indite anyone.
We citizens of Colorado were kept updated on this case annually until the Boulder DA announced the Ramsey's were cleared of this murder a few years ago, after Patsy's death.
This report is from a "Johnny come lately
Punishment is for poor people. Cops have always existed for the protection of the wealthy, so it shouldn’t be surprising when the rich get away with murder.
Yeah in general Social status does confuse the behaviour of the police towards suspects.
Professionals tend to be held in high esteem.
However I am totally horrified by this Psychological situation that we know so much.
The socially disturbed brother was carrying pent up rage towards JonBenet because of jealousy - she was in the spot light - and lashed out when JonBenet took a piece of his pineapple with milk (which was found in her stomach).
He took the heavy flash light on the table and hit her in the head with a lot of anger and force. (This is why the family instinctively denies owning this flash light.)
In order to not “lose” two children, the family staged the scene. The father made it look like she was strangled while the mother wrote the note and coached the brother what to say to the police.
The family also denied the brother was awake when this went on, but he is heard in the background of the emergency phone call.
The ransom note said "will call between 8am and 10am tomorrow ".
Was that supposed to mean December 26 or 27? It's not specific, but it did say that Jonbenet would be killed if they called the police.
I've always wondered if an intruder could have been listening on another phone, and when Patsy (even though John says he did in an interview) called the police the person did what they did.
Another attempt by Patsy to throw everybody off. Patsy speaking from beyond the grave again…
AND THEY DID ! BUT AT THE TIME THEY THOUGHT SHE HAD BEEN KIDNAPPED ??
One has to question the mental/emotional stability of any parent that puts their young child in the world of beauty pageants.
Understand this Patsy was a born bred West Virginian. They are raised very different and I am not trying to be mean just the psychology of some people in her area of this country! Out of Love ( in her mind) was jbr doing these pageants as she did and she loved it didn't look it at it like warped sexual idea!
@@rachelcoloradomy3kidz778 I agree with what you're saying, and I won't judge someone's heart in the matter, but I still feel that making a 5 yr old up like an adult hooker and parading her around on a stage in scanty clothing is problematic on its face and I do question the thinking of ppl who participate in such things.
The beauty pageant stuff was a distractor that kept the police from properly doing their job.
I don't agree with child beauty pageants but in the south they are extremely common so I wouldn't say every parent whose kids do pageants are evil
@Cuck ButtFurd Bingo! And there is your motive!
The girl didn't want to do that anymore, it is no fun for a child at all. So this "ungrateful b1tch" who didn't "appreciate" what her "dear mother" had done "for her" was probably beaten by the mother who saw her dream crumble.
Maybe it was better for the girl to get out that night. Growing up with a mother like that is not healthy and won't lead to a normal life. Ask me how I know that. No, rather don't.
The note refers to the "body" of the little girl rather than saying she will be returned unharmed. That is a bizarre way to ask for a ransom.
She was already dead at the time this note was written.
@@egomod this is a good one!
Why is your username "Clarabelle's Place"?
Yes, but the note as a whole is a ruse to cause confusion
@@egomod
Clarabelle's statement is not true. It's a false statement.
I agree.
Perhaps we will know more when someone gives a deathbed confession
Well, if it was Patsy, that ship has sailed.
I'm hoping whoever the DNA belongs to has a family member that does 23 and me or something!!
John later in life.....spilling it
Lastly, when "honest" and truly caring parents discover a child missing from the house, the whole house and premises is searched from top to bottom, or in this case should have been from bottom to top and anywhere and everywhere. And full cooperation with the investigation would be protocol. But such was not the case and the world may never know what actually transpired that holiday night.
Bizzare that the police asked John to search house, and not police search.
No, bizarre that any parents would not have ALREADY torn that house apart, BEFORE any cops got there. Again, the Ramseys not reacting like normal parents.
I agree, we're having coffee and donuts, don't bother us, do a search and let us know what's up. Now I know that most departments don't deal with this but call in the state police or FBI.
The first detective that showed, before finding the body, said in an interview that she had to call for more officers multiple times before anyone else would show up. I place blame for not finding the killer squarely on the Boulder Police Department.
@@vian-ij4sv I listened to that interview yesterday of that detective. Very bizarre that even after finding Jon Benet’s body it took way too long for more authorities to arrive. Very poor response and what else could be going on in Boulder then more important than a murder of a child. I lived in Boulder a short time in 1979. It’s a low crime town.
The whole case is bizarre, I believe many people were also allowed to enter the house and contaminate the house :(
Notice that the ransom notes begins with the words: "Mr. Ramsey ... but ends with the words: "it's up to you now John." That's a very PERSONAL comment. The writer knows the family intimately.
I think you're on the right track but I've long had a bit of a theory of my own on the murder which fits exactly with yours. The $119,000 ransom which as said is the exact number of John's bonus. Very few would have knowledge of that number; those in the family/friends circle, those at John's bank where he deposited that bonus and those that worked closely with John at his job. That said, I don't think the motive ever was the bonus money but that Jonbenet was always the target ... maybe not for kidnapping though. Lets say a co-worker of John's who is either below him on the corporate ladder or younger than him ends up with a "fascination" over JonBenet that only a sick mind could have. Lets say that man broke into the house in either stalker/voyeur mode or a much more sinister. If she caught him or tried drawing attention maybe it was then and there that he decided to take her with him and figured a fake ransom note would be a way of throwing people off giving him a chance to get way with her. Maybe the mistake he made which would create a link would be the $119,000 number. It limits suspects to those who knew the exact amount of John's bonus. My guess would be that he initially planned to get away through the basement when he heard someone come home but Jonbenet probably tried drawing attention and he killed her to keep her quiet and stayed in that closet/room until after everyone went to sleep or left.
Considering John was the President and CEO of a Lockheed Martin subsidiary he''d have plenty of subordinates and quite a few of them would be younger which would explain the "Mr. Ramsey" written on the ransom note. This is just my theory, but you're 100% right ... I think this whole thing was personal.
@@RedDawnRocker the killer lived in the house
@@arribaficationwineho32 Maybe, but zero evidence to prove that.
@@ronleon62 thanks to the family controlling the investigation by police without a lot of murder experience
Yeppers, they owed big money. Not her Brother? She was #$&*¶€ You know, lotta money
You said it yourself Dr. Grande! Every kidnapper knows that "The (hostage's) safe return is the incentive to pay the ransom. Even if JB was accidentally killed by the kidnapper during his so called crime, he would have taken the body and disposed of it, not left it in her parent's home. Even if they did not see her on that first day, a week later, they would surely SMELL her.
Benjamin Hawthorn JonBenet was NOT accidentally murdered, it was quite deliberate.
Why should the kidnapper take the body?.
Then he has to figure out a way of disposing of it.
Well, throwing a body in a dumpster or sinking it in a pond is a whole lot better than leaving her dead body at her parents house.
Where is his leverage, and their incentive to pay?
I suppose that if you are in the kidnapping racket, having to dispose of your "mistakes" is part of the game.
No self I respecting kidnapper would leave the hostages dead body in her parents' home, where it will be immediately discovered.
Once the family knows that the kidnapper murdered their loved one, they are not going to want to SPEAK to this person, much less PAY them!
@@benjaminhawthorne1969 If it was me I'd leave the body in the house.
I'm not going to muck around looking for places to dispose of a body.
This was never about a kidnapping anyway, it was all about causing as much pain and anguish to the Ramseys as possible especially John.
You say this was never about a kidnapping? Then who wrote the ransom note?
Why did Patsy call 911 and say "We have a kidnapping?"
Explain yourself, please. 🤗
@@benjaminhawthorne1969 The intruder wrote the ransom note.
He wanted the Ramseys to believe that JonBenet was safe and well and they would get her back.
He hated the Ramseys especially John and he wanted to inflict as much pain and anguish on them as he possibly could.
Long-time sub here...I'm sure that your change in delivery seems to have increased your subscriber count, but I'd like to propose this isn't the main factor. Watching your videos daily really raises my mood. But after watching this, from so many years ago, it makes me yearn for the previous Grande. I'd watched this when you published it, so that's not a factor...but your less self aware delivery here is such a lovely reminder. Hope you can continue to achieve the greatness you've been attaining for years, while still applying my humble thoughts. Thanks always, Dr Grande. Take care
The first officer on the scene soon after JonBenet's "kidnapping" was reported said that the ransom note indicated the 8-10am time frame of which to expect a call from the "kidnappers". She went onto say that 10am came and went & there was no mention from either parent that the deadline imposed by the ransom note had come and gone. Enough said!
There is something peculiar about this note that does not seem to have been picked up by anybody. First of all banks are closed on Boxing Day so how could John Ramsey have got his money out. The kidnapper says that bank authorities are not to be alerted so John couldn't have asked the bank to open up especially for him. Unless of course America is different than England and banks are open on Boxing Day!
@@marilynkennedy8236 Yes, you answered your own question.
@@MrS98VAC Thanks for your reply.
The note said "we will call tomorrow". As (ostensibly, at least) no one knows whether the note was composed the previous day or the morning it was found, "Tomorrow" might well have meant the following day - the day after Boxing Day.
@@donnamaree4920 Thank you Donna Maree for your message. I have always understood that tomorrow meant Boxing Day being as the note was supposedly written on Christmas Night, but of course they could well have meant the 27th. A lot of confusion has been caused in my mind because I didn't realise that Boxing Day in America is not considered a Bank Holiday. Therefore I wondered how the kidnappers expected John Ramsey to go to the bank on a bank holiday looking at it from the UK perspective. I have only recently found out that the Banks in America are open on the 26th.
Yes, usually burglars want to get in and out of the house quickly. They usually wouldn't sit down and write a long note.
I guess the cops got paid off. One down two to go. Still here. One pf the two or patsy did it. Patsy passed away of cancer. She was quiet. But she knows who did it. The two left knows who killed jb. One. Or the other knows. Everything is. A set up. Staged for the murder. The whole case is a set up. Lets all pray for jonbenet. All two of them will meet jesus. He is the judge and jury. John and burke will dearly suffer. The conciquences. The guilty one is still alive. Hey burke. You surely know something to. Now who did it. Did you get a pay check to from daddy to stay quiet. Or loose your life. Money talks and crap walks.
The "intruder" would have needed some light to write by, as well. And more time and light to go through the house to find all the items that were used to commit the crime -- neglecting to search for, or take away, any valuables from the rich house while doing so, by the way. The more you think about it, the more nonsensical the kidnapping/ransom-note story becomes.
That's right.
They couldve written it before they did this
Also why leave the note when she died? For one at least more than one person was involved because how did 1 person write the note while holding her and where it was written or wrote it before she was taken but it would of took time and someone might come down. It doesn't make sense
This is an excellent analysis. Much livelier than some of Dr Grande’s other presentations.
Years late to this video but I think we all agree that the moment John went downstairs and found her and moved her was the second this case was absolutely effed in terms of being solved. The second they let slip that the parents were being interviewed as suspects and they stopped cooperating was the final nail in the coffin. I think if they kept interrogating them we would have confessions.
Also, I found this in a book on the case: When you find a ransom note, you should not find a dead body. When you find a dead body, you should not find a ransom note, it's just stupid.
Exactly, ridiculous
Right? You wouldn’t find both a ransom note AND a body together.
Maybe they weren’t anticipating actually having to pretend to discover the body maybe they thought that the cops would come talk to them and then not stay at their house so they could hide the body somewhere else but when they realize that the cop was going to stay there he pretended to find her
Charles Lindbergh: "Hold my beer."
@@mulemule I was thinking that too, and was going to look it up to make sure,,, thought i would read down to see if somebody else said that,,, I will buy you a beer for that one
Why would you call police and all those friends to come when the ransom note implied they would kill her if you did?? Makes it hard to believe an intruder wrote that note.
You'd just be preparing to pay that ransom quietly is what I'm saying.
@Fly by night I totally agree. No real kidnapper/murderer would take the time to sit down and write a "ransom note" using the family notepad. Risking a family member waking up when they heard a disturbance in the house in the middle of the night. That "ransom note" sealed it for me in my mind that it was a family member. JonBenet was already dead. They were instituting a coverup and sadly it worked. In my opinion. Allegedly. Don't come for me Ramseys. Think Madeleine McCann case.
@Tina Thompson I have always thought that their close couple-friends, that were also the Ramsey's neighbors, were somehow involved. I can't recall if law enforcement took samples of their DNA or not, but they should have. John and the neighbor guy went down in the basement together when they asked Jon and Patsy to check the entire house.
It is the note that makes it clear the Ramseys were involved. IF they didn't write it they would have been pouring over every detail in it before the cops arrived. They would have eyes glued to the phone waiting for a ransom call. They would not have called anyone but the police. The way they disregarded the notes instructions and the threat of some foreign faction makes it clear they are not afraid of any kidnapper involvement.
Fly by night... to me it seems quite obvious that it was NOT Patsy Ramsey. Number one: why would she use her own pad of paper and her own paintbrush? Doesn't that seem just a little too "convenient "? Also… I'm no expert whatsoever, but I can tell male handwriting from female handwriting most of the time. (I was a psychology student once upon a time)!The letters used in that note are clearly male. Now...I have done some thing in my lifetime that was designed to throw people off. I'm right handed. But out of silliness or whatever, I've used my left hand and I purposely did not use the same structure or loops in my letters. I also changed my typical sentence structure and purposely misspelled some words. It ends up not looking like my writing.
You did a great job explaining this case. So sad after all these years, still a mystery!
You make the best videos and analyzations on all of these myriad of cases from long time ago to the present there are very well thought out and it would be hard for anyone to punch any holes in any of your theories and your decision making process of what you think happens in crimes that you make videos of I really enjoy watching you and you have taught me a lot about how the human mind works especially the criminal mind and what things stand out that most people would overlook keep making your videos have a great day Dr grande.
Love this: Acknowledging the writer obviously didn’t understand the dynamics of small foreign factions. 🤣. You are a riot!
Yes! Loved that 🤣
He is so good🤣
Exactly. And if you are from another country, you don't consider yourself "foreign"
@@badmamjamma YES!! And you would ALSO consider Americans "foreign".
@@daviddixon2273 exactly! Lol. A murderer/conspirator and not too bright, to boot.
One thing that stands out in this case was that after the expected call from “the kidnapper” didn’t come, the parents didn’t mention it.
Suspicious, right? Wouldn't you think they would become tense if they kidnapper did not call? I bet they were so worried about what was going to happen to them that they lost track of time.
Right? After one minute late, I'd be freaking out saying "why aren't they calling! Somethings wrong!"
I agree, that it essentially unbelievable under any circumstances.. You would be livid and scared out of your mind at what that meant that they did not call. All of your hopes would have been riding on that phone call in the desperate hope that you'd hear her voice.
@@ogpigeon4431 They were probably also very worried that they did not know how they were going to explain why there was no call. It was probably a relief for John Ramsey when the officer told him and his friend to search the home because they no longer had to hold onto a kidnapping story that was becoming less believable with more time.
I was bothered by how nonchalant John Ramsey acted when the time came for the phone call. You’d think John and Patsy would be very eager or nervous to answer the phone but they weren’t. John was looking at his mail casually like a normal day . Bizarre
Plus, John still planned on traveling to Atlanta even after finding out his daughter was just brutally murdered! I mean, if my kid was just murdered I have to believe I’d cancel all flights and stay home to just either help the police or maintain peace of mind
I have 30 years in law enforcement and still find this case endlessly fascinating. The crime scene is so small and it got contaminated very quickly. The beginning of the story was a kidnapping which puts everyone in a different state of mind, which is "Find the trail as quickly as possible and get that child back". A kidnapping leads you away from the scene, a murder puts you at the scene. The ransom note itself is so bizarre. I don't think we will ever know the full story.
So John breaks a window months earlier and never calls a window installer to repair it, leaving his family and belongs in jeopardy for months. That alone makes no sense.
Wouldn’t searching the house be the first thing parents would do and police too??
Not if the note was found immediately.
I’d first be in shock and denial and think maybe it was a prank and check if she’s in bed, then I’d check if Burke is in bed. I’d get Burke up to stay near me. Then I’d wake up my husband and call police. I probably would not have read the letter carefully or even the whole thing until at least my husband was up. I’d probably let him read it while I was calling police if he wasn’t already running around the house himself. I almost forgot that back in those days people used landlines so walking around the house while on the phone wouldn’t be an option. I’d tell the police “I found a ransom note saying someone kidnapped my daughter. I can’t find my daughter. It said not to call the police. What do I do?” I’m the type of person who understands when someone becomes useless for what I need and if I’m just waiting for police to arrive, unless they told me not to, I’d then leave the phone off the hook and frantically run around the house calling out her name with a bat or something so they could hear me scream if someone attacks me (mama bear don’t care about getting hurt when child is in danger) all the while hoping it was a joke so I could come back and say false alarm. My paranoia levels would go through the roof. I’d check if anything seemed out of place or unusual taking mental notes. I would try not to tear up the house destroying any evidence, I’d just run around looking. I’d be highly in tune with whether it felt like I was being watched. I’d look out the windows to check for any parked cars or people walking around. I’d check if any doors or windows were unlocked or open. I wouldn’t call friends over because when something like that happens I don’t trust anyone.
Police did check that morning. Also fleet white searched the house. White even ooened door where she was and couldnt find light swit ch . He didnt see her.
I don’t understand how, even with a ransom note and thinking it’s a kidnapping, that the Ramseys didn’t search every single inch of that house themselves when they realized Jonbenet was missing. If that was my kid I would have torn my entire house apart searching even if I suspected they weren’t there. Especially the hidden away places like where she was found. That never made sense to me why they didn’t bother searching for her in the home very well. Pretty sure Officer Doofy was the lead investigator on this case
As a mom, I would search the house immediately. I'd make my husband and anyone else in the home search too. Police definitely should have searched, systematically when they first got there.
In Patsys 911 call she says “we have a kidnapping!” The language she uses throughout the call is similar to what’s written in the note like “we have your daughter” it’s more like she’s reporting on the case like she’s not emotionally connected to her daughter. A sign of guilt.
Thank you!! Absolutely agree.... Patsy’s 911 call is weird!! She even says “Thanks” to the dispatcher at the end of the call!🙄
Yes. She used what's called "distancing language."
@@ohdear2275 Where did you find this information? On how someone who is stressed out and in shock would act? I would want to distance myself from it too. When you call police - 9-1-1, most highly intelligent people get to the point quickly. Autism also probably runs in this family. Very high functioning - just bc people don't behave like YOU doesn't mean they murdered their kid.
@@elainevankat5353 That is what people say to police officers and dispatchers. They thank them.
The commentator said there was no motive. It could have been an accident, kids get on parents nerves and parents overreact. Only God knows what happened. Poor police work. Not sure it would have mattered though. He would have had good lawyers.
You're spot on! What amazes me is that there are people out there who truly believe in the intruder theory. I think that one group got it right when they said Burke hit her in the head.
Burke didn't do this. He was questioned by police, he was forth coming, relaxed, and unafraid. And really I don't think burke truly grasp the concept of death due to his age. This was done by an adult.
Nothing amazes me. There are still people out there who believe OJ was innocent. Have you checked out Dr. Phil's interview with Burke? The young man is relaxed and with a big grin when talking about the events of that fateful time. Enjoying himself in fact.
Nonsense. Burke was heard on Patsy's phone call asking what was going on and Patsy was heard telling him to go back in his room. He would have no reason to ask what's going on if he'd done what you said. He would KNOW.
Burk was only 9 years old. he was too tiny to have Gave her that blow to her head.
You have definitely not been around enough nine year olds to know how much stamina and force they can get to display.
So bizzare, a kid is missing, but no one searched the house right away? When I was a kid, my brother disappeared. We found him a few hours later unharmed. But I recall, even as a child, looking EVERYWHERE for him. In every cupboard, behind furniture, under furniture, in the car, even in the bottom of the swimming pool. How could the police and the family sit around in the house for SEVEN HOURS before searching the house. Then the police are asking for a search to happen to see if anything is out of place (not looking for the missing child, just looking to see if there is anything out of place). I think if the parents had anything to do with it, they would most certainly have not asked for the same amount of money as John received for his bonus.
The HUGE thing was If your child is "Missing" why wouldnt you search the house.
If they found the ransom note right away I guess it wouldn't make much sense to search the house. At least not for the girl.. but for evidence sure. Nobody would think the kid is still in the house after they found a ransom note stating that it got kidnapped.
If they weren't rich they would have been prosecuted relatively quickly. Poor parents would have been nailed for it.
@@quasimobius I'm not from the U.S. so I can't really comment on that. But I'm on the same page as Dr. Grande. It seems
likely they are guilty in some way
@@Capiiable I believe Jonbenet becoming school age factored into her being killed. They, the schools tell the kids they don't have to take abuse from anyone and to come forward and tell. I think the dad was playing sex games on the child and when she thought she saw a light at the end of the tunnel, she came out and actually told her abuser she didn't have to take it anymore and she was going to tell, and that provoked an extreme reaction.
It was a crime of passion.
quasimobius wow, next tell us the day and time at which Jesus will return for his flock. Such prophet.
If my kid was missing, I would have searched every room, closet or space that she could possibly be. Seems like hours passed while she was in the basement. 🤷♀️
7 hours apparently... an incompetent investigation team is to thank for that😪 I wish for justice for that poor little girl
@@Rachel-467 the fact that they let the crime scene be disturbed and having the dad and a friend searching the house, just a pathetic excuse of an investigation.
@Jenny Jay. JonBenet was just 'missing'. JonBenet's parents woke up, there was a ransom note left saying she was kidnapped. They quickly checked her room and Burke's and immediately called 911. Nothing wrong with that! Boulder police were there within minutes, and searched the home. The Ramsey home was huge, over 7,000 s/f.
@@darkhorse9472 the police didn’t find her, her dad and Fleet found her... so the police didn’t search very well either.... I’m not trying to be mean, I understand that you don’t know what you would do in a situation like this, it just seems like a lot of things went very wrong with the investigation. ☮️
@@jennyjay7816
Fleet and JR found JonBenet, because the Boulder Police Dept. had no experience with a kidnapping, and refused help from the FBI. When the Ramseys called 911, they trusted the police to do their job...and yes, a thorough search, but we know how that went. The door where JonBenet was, on the other side, was not opened by BP, because it was locked from the outside. They were searching for an exit by the kidnappers, and for clues and evidence of a kidnapping...not her body.
The Ramsey home was massive, with 8 bathrooms alone. The bathroom in the basement had evidence of an intruder.
The only thing that note was missing was... "Sincerely, Patsy Ramsey"
Pretty savage murder for a parent. I don't think so.
I know a girl that met Burke at Ohio State and he introduced himself as JonBenets brother. Said he was extremely creepy and weird. I believe he killed her over the pineapple, whether intentionally or unintentionally.
Heresay
You are correct. JonBenet's brother is not someone normal. At the time of her murder, he was an adult in a child's body. I was looking for info on Burke but could not find anything until today. Either he killed her or he did not but either way the murderer and Burke are the same entity. I just can't get over Ohio lol
@WizCudder1 B.S
He looks creepy in photo's, as a child and an adult.
The whole thing is sick, beyond description
The letter does sound like a woman wrote it almost like she was trying to write a crime novel
Yea it does
I always thought Patsy wrote the note. When I read it I can hear her voice in my head. Especially the listen carefully!
I agree
@Gary Etheridge
DNA eliminated the Ramseys over a decade ago.
If they thought their older son did it, they may have been protecting him.
Great video! I just recently started learning about the facts of this case. I majored in criminal justice and I never actually got a job in my field and I feel like I'm waisting my detective mind. haha. The one thing that really stood out to me, was literally five minutes before I watched your video, I watched a video where John Ramsey made a comment about how he did not watch movies and him and Patsy rarely watched movies. I thought the comment was extremely odd and out of place in the interview. There was no reference to watching movies and he basically just added the comment in the interview which I found bizarre. It was bothering me why he made that comment and then I came across your video. The fact that the ransom note contained movie references is crazy. I feel someone in that house has the answers and it's a shame that probably no one will find out what happened.
Is it possible they originally wrote the letter in order to buy themselves a day or two to dispose of the child's remains? That would explain why the note so strongly emphaszes that the family would be "watched" and it explains why the note specifies a "llarge attache" (in case anyone spots John carrying a bag large enough to hold a small child).
"Customer survey" had me chuckling So much in plain sight in this case The most glaring point is that John Ramsey went to the basement. Thanks for covering this You brought clarity to it
I just discovered dr. Grande and I am fascinated by everything he talks about. Thank u for keeping me sane during this quarantine!😚😍♥️
IKR, he’s a genius
He's the best
Me too. I have NO training in this area whatsoever (I'm a network analyst) but find this very interesting. Dr. Brande does with 'people' what I do with network systems. That's fascinating. In truth. . . his work is more interesting :-) For what I know (which isn't much) the note is way over the top for someone in a hurry and I feel strongly it was written by a women.
Welcome to our little group:-) he is the best I never miss an episode
@@ladymopar2024 thank u. What a friendly place to be
Two things bothered me that you did not mention.
- Jon was at a xmas party with the parents. When they arrived home Jon was asleep and was carried into the house according to testimony. In the autopsy they discovered food in Jon's stomach that was on the table at home. This does not compute.
- One Boulder detective with a good history of solving crime was on a special committee. He was convinced that the Ramsey's were innocent. His reputation convinced me that the Ramseys didn't do it, but I never fully aware of his reasons for coming to that conclusion.
After watching your video, I thought more about it, noting it was xmas eve, they returned from a party maybe had too much to drink, Jon perhaps was excited to open presents and parents were irritated that she did not want to go to bed. Perhaps they were little hungover and in a fit of rage Patsy hit her on the head with a blunt object, maybe a flashlight. Remember too much alcohol can bring out "Mr. Hyde" in some people. They then panicked and in their hazy cognitive state decided to make it look like an intentional murder and wrapped the cord around Jon't throat etc. It would look to obvious to police if they found the body in the basement, so hence the plan to write an elaborate ransom note. Patsy wrote the note in a way to try to disguise her own handwriting;; who knows maybe write it with the left hand.
I believe that alcohol was perhaps the missing ingredient from this crime and the resulting stress took Patsy to an early grave. I saw a recent interview with John (on UA-cam) who is remarried and he claims that the Boulder Police are withholding DNA analysis and have closed the doors on the investigation. Could it be that John is talking trash and the Boulder Police are embarrassed at the way they botched the investigation or they inadvertently contaminated the evidence and just want this episode to disappear.
Patsy wrote a PRACTICE random note FIRST. Which was never found. The writing pad HAD indentation from it though.
Patsy died of ovarian cancer. Stress doesn't cause that. Re: the food in JonBenet's stomach, what's so odd about her having something to eat at home? Your accident scenario is too far-fetched. She was garrotted using one of Patsy's paintbrushes; that shows premeditation - she wasn't killed in the area where the brushes were kept. The note was written on her own notepad using one of her own pens, and a handwriting expert at the time claimed it was very similar to Patsy's writing; if another said it didn't, I'm thinking John Ramsey paid someone to say so. The parents are the most likely perpetrators.
Another wonderful video. Thank you Dr. Grande.
I love Dr. Grande´s sarcasm: "It´s like the kidnappers saying to the parents: ´Brush your teeth before you leave the house´, ´Rate from 1 to 5. How much did you like the kidnapping?" 😆
That was hysterical!
@@mushmouth1873 Slow down Captain Justice.
Yeah... I can't appreciate his "sarcasm" .... And I generally like sarcasm. Maybe it's the circumstances involved , a small child's murder probably not a topic to implement sarcasm . He seems more satirical in his discourse to me
i know its great, partly why i keep coming back. just waiting for the jokes to drop
IKR?
Other weird evidence: she was eating pineapple in a bowl when she died. The "intruder", in his haste, would have had to have stopped the kidnapping, made her a snack, hung out in the kitchen while she ate it, and then got back to business. There is zero chance somebody from outside of that house did this. There's also no way the Ramsey's planned the killing to go down that way. It was probably an accident and subsequent cover-up.
@Orion way more evidence the mom did it, imo. Bed wetting, physical evidence, the pineapple thing, the shoddy cover- up, the fact she didn't immediately call the police. If Burke did it, her immediate reaction would have been saving her daughter's life, not fearing legsl trouble for a 6 year old, or whatever he was, imo.
@Orion A 9 yo would likely break [at some point]during the many police interrogations.
If it WAS an accidental death, why ... tell the world it was something else. Also, if it WAS an accident, the kid wouldn't be found garroted in a spare room adjacent to their basement, with a smashed-up skull. Also, would an "accident" really leave traces of semen on the victim!? It couldn't possibly have been an accident. I've always wavered between thinking Patsy was guilty or not. I just know loving parents are not going to damage the body of their child!!
@Orion ur an idiot a he didnt write this whole damn note
Agreed
If a kid is missing the first thing you do is assume they are hiding and search the entire house.
Brilliant analysis, Dr G. Thank you.
A letter that begins with "LISTEN carefully". Priceless.
I always felt that the letter had the feel, that it was written from a woman's point of view.
@@danoconnor3720 I immediately thought the letter was written by a woman. Or a homosexual man. The wording is very similar to a cheap romance novel.
"This is The Zodiac speaking"...same.
I didn't even catch that!😂👍 good one
He went directly to her because he didn't want people LOOKING THROUGH HIS HOUSE!
And there’s probably some truth to that
he went directly 2 her bc he knew x-actly were she was !
@@michaeldelguercio339
Do you have evidence John Ramsey 'went directly 2 her bc he knew x-actly were she was !'? Didn't think so. There is no evidence to support your statement.
@@darkhorse9472 grow a brain like John , just by the fact thats the 1st place he went tells you he knew.....stupid!
@@michaeldelguercio339
Me stupid? DNA cleared the Ramseys over a decade ago. You DO know what DNA is, right?
In that ransom note ; and I quote "we represent a small foreign faction" who writes this, (Patsy) that's who.
I do believe that the parents were protecting Burke.
Most ransom notes would say something like, we got your kid. We want $150 K. Will call between 8 and 10 am.
Parents know more than they let on, that's for sure. Poor little sweetheart.
Parents are both conveniently dead. All actors.
Yes, most likely. I watched a program back in 2000 also with a Psychologist, and his input was, based on behavior of the Ramsey's, his opinion was they didn't do it, but they likely knew who did.
@@mztryz The father is not dead.
@@mztryz No. The father is still alive, remarried.
Oooh. I’m so excited about this one. This case has bothered me for years. Poor girl. Thank you for being the hardest working doctor on UA-cam.
Same. I grew up on this case and every year I hope that they find the real killers with new forensic techniques, but as Dr. Grande points out, it’s the Dad!!! Get him now!! Are they still alive?
WHY did the parents lie and say their son, JonBenet's brother, was asleep the entire time they were looking for their daughter. They did not want to bother him to find missing child. Yet as an adult, the brother confesses that he was awake late that night during a commotion about his sister. Uh ohhhh.
they had said early on that the mom's hand writing was a match
"They" Lied !!!
Excellent analysis, as always.
I tear my house apart looking for the god damn remote let alone my daughter. Sketchy smh.
Me too! I’d be searching every inch inside and out
People usually don't search for something they know where it is, if you know what I mean 😬
@Tara
You're comparing misplacing your remote control to a kidnapping?
The Ramsey's massive home was over 7,000 s/f. To put that into perspective for you, it had 5 bedrooms, 8 bathrooms, 2 staircases and 4 floors. JonBenet's parents checked both kid's bedrooms, and immediately called 911. Nothing wrong with that! Police were there within minutes and began a search of the home.
@@darkhorse9472 Burke, your Freak Parents were retarded to have let marked cop cars and all their friends come over, IF they really believed that G-Damn letter, and they were/are both intelligent people. Why invite everyone over and no one to stay with you, poor little guy?? Nice Job on the lawsuit, BTW!! Clap Clap! How about putting up at least a million or so up for reward money for the REAL KILLER? I DARE YOU
@@darkhorse9472 Clown, every time you mention the size of the house, your numbers keep going up. I have a 4,000 sf house; when we couldn't find our cat, we split up and I started at the top, him at the bottom. 15 minutes later, found the cat curled up in the clothes dryer. You're only making yourself look more pathetic every time you mention the size of the house. Say Hello to Linn Wood for me, will ya?? Seems like he can get anybody out of anything; forward me his digits if you don't mind. Nice that you shared him as a lawyer with Dr Phil when you went on his show with that shit-eating grin still plastered on your face. Please hire a coach or take some medicine for that super irritating problem. What was his cut for that sweet SWEET CBS settlement?? Anyway, you can buy yourself a lot of pineapple now; are you still wearing depends/adult diapers at night, Burke?
The parents' first reaction was to leave the state and lawyer up. That is not a normal reaction for a family that has just lost a child. That was the first giveaway for me. Then the paper being in the house. Then the exact amount of his bonus being mentioned in it.
Well if I find my baby girl dead in a cold basement floor I moving out .. have an open mind.. Google facts of the case instead of countless comments that it was Burke an a crazy all night cover up
The brother acted very strange on doctor phil, I have a feeling Ramsay’s brother killed her and the parents covered it up because they were scared of not just losing their daughter but also their son to the jail system.
Dr Grande. Excellent presentation.
It speaks volumes about the local police department when an investigation is so incredibly botched.
Exactly. And how much malice they had toward this family is totally unprofessional.
It says a lot more about the country in question.
@@barbieblues7639 I can't agree with that. The country, as a whole, was horrified. That's why we are still discussing this case. Most crimes are solved in this country because we expect the police to do a good job and solve them. This case rankled because they failed so spectacularly.
Patsy 100% wrote that ridiculous ransom note. Like a random intruder would just happen to have handwriting so perfectly similar to hers. It's so blisteringly obvious that I don't even see how this is a "mystery" outside the courts (where the proof standards are beyond reasonable doubt). Don't know which parent actually took her life, but they both knew who killed her, and John being still alive knows to this day.
And still milking that story for all it's worth.
ExACTLY I have always thought it was the mother,
Ben Robinson, You better believe Patsy wrote that RN. Identical handwriting.
@@freddie3206but patsy taught her so. how to write
What if she was forced to write the ransom note? What if it was a Mob thing?
Great Analysis.
Thank you for sharing ❣️
Besides your brilliant in depth psychological insights, I appreciate your humour a lot
It would be interesting to hear your take on the case of Madeleine McCann
Your videos are brilliant and I’m always looking forward to the next one
Yes, definitely.
Be careful talking about Madeleine the parents take legal action if you look at them funny
Yes!
Yes! Now there's a baffling case!
@@chibbledorf They also sue any who mentions that they sue so you are now in big trouble... and so am I now, oh pooh!
Dr. Grande is cracking me up when he's talking about the details of the ransome note. Hahaha... (customer service survey, etc.)
I'm crying. Dr. Grande slings out his sarcasm with such a straight face. LMAO
@@Khymeira I know he makes Bob Newhart seem like Jim Carrie he's he so dry lol. I love it. 😂
I know I told him that the other day. He has a dry sense of humor. He will be talking about the case all of a sudden he will sa something out of left field. I don't know i ever body catches that.
I know lol, he’s so straight faced while being a total smart ass! Hilarious
CarbonQuellist I know. That survey was a good dead pan face. Yesterday he got me with Prince Andrew and the chickens. Pmsl
With the intruder theory, someone could have easily lived in that giant house with that family for days or weeks undetected if he hid in the day and only roamed at night. He could have been snooping and thats how he found the bonus amount and that's why everything was used from inside the house. Also why he felt so comfortable to stay and write a long note.
Why didn't the parents ask Burke if he heard or seen anything. Get him up make sure he was not injured ? Why were they not afraid the intruders were still in the house ? If it were me, my other child would be downstairs in my arms.
An awful risk considering thier were 2 kids in the house.
I always suspected the Ramseys from the beginning. Their behavior was very suspicious and I could just look at their faces and see they were being deceptive.
I love how you call him Phil McGraw instead of Dr. Phil. Dr. Grande is the QUEEN of throwing subtle shade. We stan a deadpan legend.
Dont misgender my friend Dr.Grande thank you.
Yeah. What’s your deal?
😂😂😂OMG didn't pick up on that! PhD in Shade 🔥😎🔥
Phil McGraw does hold a PhD from a legitimate University, so, while you might disagree with his "practices" he is still... Dr. Phil.
@harry pag You can't *give up* your PhD. Do you even know what a PhD is? lol I agree that he's similar to Jerry Springer, but he's Jerry Springer with a doctorate. He might not be licensed to practice clinical psychology, but he has a PhD, so it's perfectly legitimate for him to go by Dr.
THANK YOU for mentioning the smiling could have been anxiety thing. This is something people often leave out and make assumptions about
No way getting around it, the DNA was an enormous factor. Could the DNA have been planted? Beats me! The old saying that "Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction." could apply here. I can see why many people believe it was from within their family. If I was on a jury in this case, I would be going "I don't know what to believe". I sure would like to see who that DNA belonged to. Great job again Dr. Grande.
It was touch DNA on the child’s clothing. Touch DNA is commonly transferred from factory workers, clerks, etc. If you put on new clothing (in her case, if her new underwear were just out of the packaging), it could have someone’s DNA on it, maybe more than one person’s. I think too much has been made of the DNA, in this case.
@@sciencenotstigma9534 I see your point about the DNA. This brings up some questions. Have they traced the DNA to someone who would have had a reason to have touched the underwear? Had the underwear ever been washed after purchase? I still come to the conclusion that if I had been on a jury, I would not know what to believe. Maybe someone smarter than me would know what to think. {But I just don't want to ask my wife what she thinks.} Have a great new year.
@@sciencenotstigma9534 But you don't find one person working in two different factories making clothes for one child. Clothing is made all over the world. Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia are 2 examples.
@@m8s4lif When my kid was Jon Benet's age, I would AWAYS wash any new underwear I bought for him before letting him wear it. As did my parents and grandparents before me. If Patsy Ramsey had a cleanliness/tidiness fetish like most middle class housevives, you can bet that ALL of her daughter's clothes were washed prior to having been worn.
@@sciencenotstigma9534 I don't know of ANY middle class housewives who wouldn't launder their children's new underthings before allowing their children to wear them. None. Zero.
Occam's razor states, "the simplest solution is typically the correct one", aka the Ramseys