Birth of Islamic Pakistan and Political Conflict in Karachi - Two Pakistans - Shehzad Ghias
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- Опубліковано 12 тра 2024
- Our new series, Two Pakistans, looks at the conflicts in Pakistan and uses Dr. Mohammad Waseem's book, "Political Conflict in Pakistan" to explain the fault lines in Pakistan.
Episode 1 looks at the use of the Islamic Identity as the identity of Pakistan at the birth of the nation, partition, colonialism and Political Conflict in Karachi.
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Chapters:
0:00 Introduction to TWO PAKISTANS
5:00 Conflict, Colonialism and the Birth of Pakistan
11:57 Otherization, Partition and Karachi
26:04 Use of Islamic Touch Politics by Parties and the Muslim League Movement
34:30 Karachi, Migration and the Sindhi-Mohajir Conflict
37:51 Elite Capture
46:00 How we lost Karachi's multiculturalism - Розваги
Ex Muslim Sahil is teaching real Islam what their molanas are hiding. Great channel. 🕋🕋🕋🕋🙌🙌🙌
Watch realist azad mc h usne Geeta AUR vedas ki
Kal Muslim skeptic chanel wale daniel kee debate dekh ja kar hindu kai sath
And Ex Hindus are showing the reality of your linduism 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@Respond-sx1yd chuslim talking about sanatan dharma lmaoooo
@Talhatahir-wp9rd your ancestors were cowards. Couldn't fight. Got converted.
2002 Gujrat riot were RIOTS, meaning clash between 2 communities, by calling it a genocide (or) putting it in that bracket is being intellectually dishonest of the highest order, spreading fake narrative without making an attempt to learn facts.
The instigation was from Ganchi muslims by burning the train, where karsevaks were burnt alive, what happened was a retaliation
If u want to call genocide,
Check "noakhali massacre" , "mopalah massacre" , "kashmiri hindus genocide"
Make an attempt to be honest
Besides "otherization" is inherent in Islam
Not a single pakistani ever tell the complete truth - only victim play - like they do in kashmir , gaza , etc
ok nerd
They can never understand...they just don't have that..don't waste your energy
The thing that is missing from narrative about what the Indian PM said is that he was quoting Dr Singh and linking it to what Mr R Gandhi has been saying and hidden within its manifesto.
The fight of Hindus in India is to be treated equally as the Christian and Muslim brethren.
Congress gifted away acres of prime land in Delhi to Wakf board right before 2014 elections to get those minority votes. They also brought in a law that would prescute majority irrespective of perpetuators in case of riots. We also have draconian laws in Wakf which allow the minority to stake claims to any land they want and that decision can’t be challenged in courts! They recently claimed to a 1000 year old temple as Wakf owned property.
They have at it now in Karnataka and Telangana where they have government.
Indias problem were never the Muslims. It was the illegitimate children of British in Congress who always divided Indians.
There was no 1000 year temple anywhere in northern India. It's a big fat lie.
@@hawkingdawking4572the case was reported in Tamilnadu in the south of India
Yaar yeh bata Kejriwal jail main kyun hai.
@@siddharthrana9617
I am not aware of a such a case. 1000 year old temples are under central administration via archaeological survey of India. Fake victimhood propaganda of Hindus turned out to be lies anyway. Hindus are furious that Muslim Waqaf land is huge and they can't steal it by force. They are also angry about Christian lands in high price downtown areas in all the major cities. Various Hindu rallies are organised to grab them by stone pelting and subsequent 'court seizures'.
@@muddi900are you that clueless about the liquor scam. Read about it.
So Pakistani Movement was UnIslamic and was not for Islam. And Muslim league leaders were campaigning for Secular state out of India 😂😂😂
jai ho pakistani logic
It was to escape the Hindu tyranny.
@@hawkingdawking4572 So Muslims are allergic to democracy or ML leaders thought it was the way.
Pakistan ended up with a tyranny operated by an axis of the Army, feudal landlords and extremist mullahs (Sunni variety)@hawkingdawking4572
@@hawkingdawking4572 hindu tyranny meanwhile founder of pakistan left his only daughtder and his entire famiily in india. even today jinnah entire descendants are indian. so called hindu tyranny lmaooo
if hindus were tyrannical muslims would be 1% of india, like how hindus went from 25% of pakistan to < 1% in 2020
Mohammad also do otherization. What is Kafir??
That’s right, otherization was never an issue for zororastrian, jews, jains etc with Hindus.. Aur inko har religion se problem hai.
Thanks for your concern Paxtanis, we will be alright..
Yes...this orherization is very much deep ingrained....kafirization.....problem is in the roots of a misconceptualized identity that we all are Arabs ....but in real converted Hindus...only remedy is come back to your roots..Ghar wapsi
reference?
@@4yesha.04 Read Quran. It is full of of otherization of non Muslim what it termed Kaffir.
@@ArunSingh-iw4wu i have.. didn't find any except for verses against those "kafirs" who wronged Muslims or particular instances, so again reference?
As an answer to your question around 30:00 min-
This is in answer to Congress manifesto of wealth redistribution, and subtle hints of minority politics
This is also a reaction of center right which u guys forget that other side also exists and it watches u carefully, when u support something like oct 7 and oppose certain values and things.Keep on supporting hhamas and u will see a reaction around the world.Do brace yourself for what is coming.Cheers!
There r about 20 million illegal migrants in India, with extreme majority being bangladeshi mostly muslims, who have changed demographic in certain constituency and don't represent Indian values.
Overall this is a reaction to the appeasement politics that the other side plays.
Indian value or u can say values inherently taught to hindus ( 85℅ population) r such that it sees everyone in fact every religion as equal so certain things cannot be changed.
Still doesn't give him the right to make fun of our religion like the derogatory children remark.
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Yaa, u r correct but this is politics, the opposition is trying to prove the relevance of Muslims as a votebank and he is challenging it by bringing the morale of the opposition, down.
This reaction might also be in reaction to some regional politicians.
Bhai kyun 10 rupay k liyay apna zameer baich rahay ho.
@@muddi900 zameer ki baat Muslim nah hi kare tho sahi rahega..
if you believe that faith based identity is an issue then islam is an issue it has always had different rules and identification for Muslim and non Muslim..
@@rohand04 Rs. 10 have been added to your account-IT Cell
"Agar Pakistan islamic mission pursue nahi karega toh kya reh jaayega ? Pakistan toh India reh jaayega".
This sentiment was shared with me by my grandfather while recounting our family's migration from Pakistan to India, and it resonates deeply.
“ General Zia expressed it succinctly: if Turkey or Egypt did no project Islam, they would remain Turkey and Egypt. But if Paliste did not pursue Islam aggressively, it would become part of India again This fear became part of the national psyche.” Page 24, Political Conflict in Pakistan
Your anecdote is exactly what he meant by saying this fear became the national psyche
Jaise bangladesh hai waise hojayega na bhai
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You forgot the naked fact that Turkey and Palestine were created more or less by partition based on religion. Ottoman empire was split and various countries were formed based on identities of 'nationhood', religion, language or culture. India was a mini empire or a dominion created as part of the British empire. Pakistan's case is unique in the fact that they abandoned their claim to being actual Indians ( Indus river based) for a country based on a brand-new name.
@hawkingdawking4572 The most popular Indian party BJP has publicly via Modi declared Muslims to be Infiltrators "Ghus-bethiye" in India and most of media has doubled down on his remarks . For us muslims of Pakistan, there is no going back to India or Indian-ness, BJP itself is declaring that there muslim is not part of Indian nation. Its done.
@@hawkingdawking4572 haha, it wasn't just about the river, but about the culture, people and civilisation living beyond it. Himalayas on the other side protect India, crossing Indus was the only land route to this land. America was found looking for India. India was a collective foreign name for the peninsula, alo whatever you say, Indians had a name unifying this whole place all this time. I mean the world's longest poem written ages ago has a name for this region and it clearly states places all the way from Anga(assam) and Manipur to Kandahar(Gandari) to the southern tips going to Lanka. There were clear unifying aspects between people within the subcontinent and aspects separating them from people outside this peninsula / subcontinent. Sounds like a nation to me.
Pakistani Education System best illustrated by the top Pakistani Journalist , Anchor and Broadcaster Hamid Mir for him Urban Naxal is Arab Nasal. God Bless
Plus he was a big promoter of the “water-car”!!🤦
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....they are used to pulling fast ones and getting away with it....their qu@id pulled the biggest one in 1947.
You can't call genocide by technical definition in Palestine because even 1971 Bangladesh casualties were not called genocide. For genocide by definition, you need to have a certain percentage of the population. In Palestine, certainly what is happening is extremely unfortunate, but you can't call simply as Genocide like Jews Genocide in Germany. Because you need to have a certain population percentage. When Saudi allied forces' operations caused half a million casualties, it was still not called genocide despite no of casualties being 30 times more than Palestine. I know your emotional support for Palestine is quite visible, but don't use wrong terminology for casualties. By using wrong terminology, you are mixing it with actual real genocides like Armenian genocide or Jewish Genocide.
Go through South Africa’s case at the ICJ
Great point, Dharmesh
1984 was also genocide with sikhs
@@ThePakistanExperiencewill wait till you talk about azerbaijan's recent ethnic cleansing of Armenians, hypocrite
Exactly. Words have meaning but post truth world. Anything can be called by any names..
1).u r feeling for Gaza, we Indians are feeling bad for Pakistan sponsored termism from 1947 to till now, 2). why Hamas started the war why u r not talking on that 3), what about hostage? 4). if Modi wins again it is RSS propaganda but is is people who voted them. 5)why all Islam nations doesn't have human and women rights & no democracy and u r talking about BJP in India 6).first clean your Pakistan then advice to others. 7).why Palestine people not getting any support from rich Islam nations.
You're a grown man acting like a child. Get help, if you try justifying the killing of tens of thousands of men, women, and children is justified. If you had children, which in sure you do because you're a grown man, you know the pain of losing your child. Imagine defending the oppressors rather than the oppressed. Shame on you.
U r an indian ur opinions doesn't matter . Focus on ur own country
@@shaffirm9602 That's true it doesn't matter, but your leaders blame our leaders for their incompetence. We don't blame your leaders here for our incompetence. We blame you only when there's cross border terrorism.
You didn't feel much about the Pak sponsored terrorism until Bharat regime name it as such in the international platforms. Kashmir was a Hindu colonial project which was boosted by propaganda.
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I am presuming that you are being sarcastic, if not, pls share what strain are u smoking
Enlightenment is when you realise that the biggest exclusionary / otherization thing comes from the book you guys embibe 5 times a day.
We are kafirs as per that book ! 😅
Of course. You should feel happy about it just as you are happy with your 200 year old British-made Hindu religion.
reference is a word like vajebul katal.... Who r u to decide vajebul katal for somebody.... Ur whole majhab stands on the base of otherisation.... If u follow religion other than Islam you have to pay jajiya for practicing ur religion.... Wtf is this.... Wajebul katal is like a joke in your society.... Gustakhe rasul ki ek hi saja... Sir tan se juda....
@@hawkingdawking4572100gram atta received by isi 😂😂
Keep commenting, this ain't gonna stop India's growth story
Currently 10x your GDP
Soon will be 15x
So keep crying
bhakt h ye BJP k sab kush hote h jb Pakistan ko koi criticize krta h lekin India p bolo to bhakt pagl ho jayega
Modi has himself declared that Indian Muslims are Infiltrators and "Ghus-bethiye" and all of BJP, political allies and allied media is supporting him. You have yourself finally otherised the Muslim openly as was inevitable. You have turned into us you fools 😂😂😂😂.
It's funny that I am saying it like this but when you compare the otherization of minorities by majority, you seem to forget that the majority in India are entirely different from the majority in Pakistan in societal values. We are continuously fighting our battles for equality within our communities and for other communities that are oppressed within themselves and we as a citizen of a democratic nation are encouraged to do so. From where I am looking at things I guess some religious communities are just built differently. The majority community in India is indeed. We have had a long battle of rectifying ourselves of our sins, we continue to do so each day simultaneously coexisting with 40 crore other communities that we know as our minorities and only a handful seem to have a problem in doing the same. There is this inherent exclusive mindset in some communities that makes it hard for them to coexist peacefully. In this case the otherization was done long-long back and it can't be undone now. As far as India is concerned, you'll need to read more than Romilla Thapar and NYTimes
British se Decolonisation hone ke bad pakistan ka islamic colonisation ho gaya matlab - apani hi soch ke gulam ban gaya....🙏🙏🙏🙏
bhakt h ye BJP k sab kush hote h jb Pakistan ko koi criticize krta h lekin India p bolo to bhakt pagl ho jayega
@@bharatkapoor4062 nahi bro criticism harek ka hota hai.... BJP to Aaj power me hai kal har jayega to phir policy change ho jayega.....🧬🧬
Modi was talking about Bangladeshi and Rohingya people from Mayanmar. There are more than 2-5 crore illegal foreign migrants in India. They have captured everything in our cities.
Don't compare violence of partition ,formation of Bangladesh with Gujrat roits. Same condition existed on both sides of borders, in Pakistan, Minority disappeared but in India Muslims doubled their population . Muslims of India donot wish to migrate to Pakistan. Millions of Bangladeshi illegally entered India.There is strict border fencing and guarding along Pakistan. Otherwise even Pakistanies would have illegally entered in India. So confine your discussion to your Great Pakistan, leave alone India to its own path
Seriously ?? Again ?
Cases of Love Jihad --> perpetrators "peaceful commujity"
Cases of stone pelting --> perpetrators "peaceful community"
Acts of terror, bomb blasts --> ranging from cooker bombs, rameshwaram cafe blast, coimbatore bomb blast, list goes on and on --> perpetrators "peaceful community"
Blocking of roads, damaging public property, in name of friday prayers --> perpetrators "peaceful community"
Gathering and celebrating gangsters by attending his funeral in thousands --> peaceful communtiy
Showing solidarity to child beheaders and enmass attendance for his funeral --> peaceful community
The list goes on...after all the acts, if questioned and asked to be accountable --> playing victim card "peaceful community"
I have to ask -- are you this disengenous in realty (or) truly submerged in ur echo chamber but calling out others with twisted moral compass ?
Or is it just the case of being a Pakistani and hence proved ?
Which is it ??
I stopped when you quoted Vir Das.
Because you have became a bhakt you see only things from white and black
When he will godi media you will get orgasm then
When?????time lapse?
Brother please speak about the some Pakistani youtubers who are speaking day and night praising about false agenda of Narendra Modi in India and degrading Pakistani and bjp party cut those clips and misleading Indian voters..
Post-partition governance in Pakistan was a continuation of the British East India Company's viceroy-like dictatorial mindset. The voice of the common man was always subjugated and central authority was perpetrated with seeds of democracy and decentralization never allowed to germinate. An oligarchical setup has always prevailed which has totally strangulated encouragement of new ideas and original thought resulting in depleted and stunted growth of the nation. The sooner rulers realize their mistakes and promote emergence of new ideas and original thought, progress and prosperity of Pakistan will always suffer. Pakistan Army needs to return to their barracks and take the back-seat for Pakistan to progress and prosper. It is as simple as that...
Yes!
I'm Brigadier in Pak Army, noted ur comments and reply
No, u r wrong!
The British did create certain problems but that r in minority(countable) some of them may loud.
Even if u remove British from history, Pakistan would still remain as it is, even worse.
Pakistan is the true inheritor of islamic rule of hindustan, every prblm arises from and runs exactly parallel to the problem of Delhi sultanat and mughal rule.
Ex - the elite of Pakistan behaves and have mindset of that time.
The power is divided between military, mullah and elite and vary in power in each time period.
The superiority always existed in muslims and saw hindus as inferior at all time period, read every autobiography of any ruler.
If there r 10 prblm in Pakistan then, 0.5 exist due to British.
Don’t look for logic where there isn’t. Hijdon ki kabhi sena nahi hoti.
@@Shva927 you're just using very anecdotal evidence and just want to say that Muslims are worse than Hindus. Muslims never saw Hindus as inferior. anyone who did, is not a Muslim. You're showing a Hindu bias here, and acting like the Hindus haven't carried out heavy oppression and persecution on the Muslims of Bengal, Punjab, etc during the rule of the british. Take your rose tinted goggles off. Grow up and actually think about your biases.
I think Shehzad, you cannot say that there is discrimination of Muslims and cannot equate India with the experience of Pakistan or Israel . In India it is a backlash of the majority in view of perceived ( whether real or imagined) appeasement of minorities. You have Wakf that is independent, haj subsidies , civil law and special status to Muslims that that has given that backlash whereas the Hindu places of worship act places the Temples under state control etc. lease do some in depth research away from Islamic lens and learn why BJP that had 2 seats in the past came in power so fast. It is because of the errors of judgement in the Congress party that lead to rise of the Hindu right . Shah Bano case and the opening of ram mandir was the fault of the congress . How political parties exploited the tendency of Muslims to vote en block lead to appeasement. When this continued for 75 years then it lead to backlash by the majority community….it is a lazy analysis by western scholars and the left scholars.
When India was mostly hindu , we had an exceptional tolerance . Parsis, Muslims and Jews and others were assimilated but not converted. They thrived for centuries before the British or even Mughals came . And just showing Modi’s speech without context is just as bad. This speech was in the context in reply to Manmohan Singh speech said explicitly said that Muslims had 1st dip on resources and this was said in an election cycle.
I think it is duplicitous on the part of Muslim communities outside India when they demand liberal values when in minority like India , USA , etc. but when when in majority like Malaysia , Indonesia , Pakistan , Bangladesh , Turkey , middle east they demand that other communities follow Islamic values ( not necessarily sharia but values ) So it is Ok that Erdogan can convert a secular structure which was historically a church to a mosque but when Hindus demand that they be given what is rightfully their destroyed properties by Islamic invaders then they are communal and fascists . You seem to have a lot of sympathies for people in Palestine but I don't see protests for people killed in Yemen by the Saudis . I did not see mass protests by Muslims standing in protests for terror attacks,. No wonder the western world sympathies only run in left leaning educational institutions but no where else.
In my opinion the ideal India is a country that Hindus and Muslims live like equals with no discrimination or appeasement and as equals in a country that is theirs and protections built in for the weakest sections of the societies irrespective of religion.
Tilak Devasher's Pakistan: Courting the Abyss published in 2016 is quite insightful.
Always comes back to India any discussion. Why?? Makes the podcast discussion frivolous eventually and unnecessary. Why not stick to your own country’s issues? An unending query for such podcasts in both countries.
Really loved this type of content from you Shahzad really appreciated!!!!!!
Looking forward to more episodes of this series 🙌❤️🙌
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Recommended to All UA-camrs who don’t read books and make podcasts on Pakistan history and it’s issues.
Like if you agree.
Ask the Sindhi political elite that you are so quick to give a pass to what they have been doing for the last 2 decades in Sindh? 2 out of 3 children in rural Sindh suffer from stunting due to water contamination, no other province in Pakistan has this stat.
33:52 and also buddy your all points are from a islamic lenses.. you are able to see and sympathies with the otherisation of Muslim be in India or west.. but can't see the otherisation of non Muslim in Islamic constitution.. be it Maldives who have clauses of Muslim in citizenship or multiple countries where minorities are in micro number.. then where are your minorities and what kind of phobia is that.. kafiron phobia.
As i said I can't stand hypocrisy
You should invite Bilal Orfali, hes a scholar of sufism. And specially given the importance of sufism in history of Sindh, it will be great to see you to discuss it with him.
sir the book is very expensive in kindle format
India never had stability which we have right now in last 1000 years.. we were attacked by many western powers.. it is British policies helped us.
We welcome them open heartedly when they came .. it was muslims who fought hard with them bcoz they were rulers.. we started learning English, took jobs of muslims in Bombay,Chennai, calcutta and slowly became trusted allied.. we educated in english education and then started political movement... It is one hell of thing intelligent Hindus did.. muslims never surrendered so in the end they were thrown out with stone aged mentality.. Hindus did reforms in religion, opened universities, secularised our population..
Its around 80 years since independence.
That means around 4 whole generations.
My question to u shehzad -till when will you blame the British?
I mean what should the ideal blame time period be
It is the continuation of the system that is being blamed, is video mai kahan British ko blame Kia? Muslim League aur Pakistan ki bureaucracy ka zikar hay, ab Pakistan ek post colonial society hay ye toh fact hay
The best narration , alfaaz ki adaayegi Bohat achi hi , Bohat clear cut samjha dia hi
Excellent v log pesh Kia hi specially this one
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what modi is talking about is what congress is trying to say and do when they come in power... This do not mean... it's happening... The folks, who are far off and just gets the news clips, do not know what the heck is happening in it's entirety and draw conclusion. PLease understand the whole background and make the judgement.
Hamid Mir & Geo news Effect 😂😂
Please read what PM Modi means by that, What he said, are the words of Congress Government Former PM Manmohan Singh. This is NOT hate, but a REALITY OF "MUSLIM APPEASEMENT" In India by INDIAN NATIONAL CONGRESS PARTY.
Do some research before Spreading HATE Against India.
Another day, the same guy, appeals for INDIA - PAKISTAN TRADE & Good relations
HYPOCRISY KI BHI SEEMA HOTI HAI 😂😂😂
Arab nasal hai bhai. Urban naxal kuch nahi hota😂
@@SLLR4594 😂😂😂
Thank you for this. The impact of these videos will be monumental.
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Now a days i am reading the same book..he quoted that Pakistan is a migrant state
Book is great right?
@@ThePakistanExperience yes, but being a CSS aspirant I know that such real arguments are not appreciated in the css exam- means not for css students.
Speaking against "otherization" while using the word "kafir". Oh the irony...!
Shehzad, blink twice if you are are aware of this hypocrisy but are too afraid to die by speaking against it. 😉
Persian was language of elites durin Mughal era. Just like English nowadays. Urdu/Hindi always the language of common men.
Love and respect from INDIA. ❤ a lesson for India
Pakistan ko India se compare karna bewkoofi hai coz Pakistan ke law Islamic Scriptures ke hissab se chalta hai. Hinduism mein atheist hona koi wajib ul katal nahi hai but Islam ke hissab se ye hai. Hinduism ka koi comparison nahi ban sakta Islam se.
Main ek atheist hun. Mujhe koi neecha nahi dekhta India mein. Pakistan mein toh koi apne aap ko atheist bol bhi nahi sakta
Hinduism is not even an actual religion. Majority of its adherents were forcefully made as Hindus for electoral majority. It doesn't have any clear code or social rules as it's a semi-traditional folk religion.
Thankyou for the recommendation
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Nice video,, you left some points but overall it is great,, agree on most of the things
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Plz read properly about godhara train burning incident before 2002 riot & first Rawalpindi riot before partition all done by your community people first. Violence is not solution, I don't support it but something is wrong with this converted brainwashed people may be ideological religious superiority problem
Ashoka killed his brothers and became Great.
Everyone Be Ready For Nationwide Protesstt on 8th and 9th May !! 😲
Otherwise Army will take All our Cash and Property 😲
Sheikhu the great….. wonderful initiative… excited for this series
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Ohh yes you are right! Only 1 community has been treated like royalty until now and finally the tables are turning. Don’t worry about India, we are doing just fine!!!
Fantastic narration Shehzad. Rational and neutral. Seems like some of my compatriots are living in a parallel universe based on their comments 😁
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بہترین 👍
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28:44 Shahzad bhai, mai India se hu. Aapne jo Indian politicians k videos clips dikhaye...wo sab siyasat/politics hai yaar. Humko bilkul majja nahi aata Pakistan k problems sun kar. Muze to lagta hai general public, India k ho ya Pakistan k...hum sab same hai aur similar problems face karte hai.
First go and do further studies who started all conflicts in the start and dont try to show you are innocent that is the root cause of your fate cheap mindset to show that your people were saints and all others evil the world knows what you are and what you write
You believe that others are malich, don't shake hand with your fellow hindus. Ashoka wiped out his own brothers, Sundias, Rajputs, Jatts welcomed the invaders and gave their daughters in marriage. Don't talk about mindset
You are creating the best history of the contemporary events of this ciuntry.
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Love from Bihar , India. Your intelligent shows are very good
I really appreciate you for utilizing the term Indian subcontinent instead of the CIA's colloquial term of Southeast Asia
29:11 one thing that Pakistanis do not get that, ‘Hindu’ has got nothing to do with religion. It’s a cultural term. You could be practising Muslim but still be Hindu. We draw our identify from our land, a concept that is totally alien for you.
Wow, what an podcast, love from occupied Kashmir
Bhaijaan mai India se hi dekh raha hu par khush nhi ho Raha kyuki Jo future mai hua aur jo aaj ho raha hai India aur Pakistan mai koi na too khush hone wali baat hai na hi fakr karne wali 🙏
Keep the good work coming
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Hinduism is not same as Islam. Hindu majority is not same as Muslim majority. Neither their goal is same nor thier performance will be same. You can see a glimpse even in small sample of last 10 years
Loving these series, the most engrossing podcast channel of Pakistan..
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Interesting and engrossing as usual!
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ye sach hai ke pura violence to Gandhijee nahi rok paye the, pr noukhaali ke baare me research kare thora.. and while you are talking about otherization i think you should talk about the idea of kafir in the book...
2002 Gujrati roits was outcome of attacks on car sewak. India never told only hindu will live here. That is why muslim thrievr in India and no hindu in Pakistan.
Shehzad brother loads of love from Kolkata, India ❤
Bhai ek request thi ..... Why don't you come live and take Questions and have conversations and debates also .... My intent is for people to talk and converse and have contact like it happens in Black hole of Dr Hoodbhoy . I would be glad if you could start something like this be it on zoom or other streaming platform. Keep up the good work . Always an admirer.
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Will do boss
Very well explanation!
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If you are showing modi's speech then you should also show his policies which he has adopted related to Indian Muslims such no. of scholarships provided by Modi govt, housing scheme, toilet scheme etc. then only you can understand his politics. Got it
He won't show it
It's not India syndrome... it's a calling of roots, culture, tradition...
Why still Indian also feel connected with Pakistan? .... Because ones you were our people...once we live together 💓..we have celebrated festivals together....
Politics had used religion for the purpose of divide & idea of Pakistan is based on the idea of hatred... I always have empathy for the victims of partition but also have a agger for sapratist....
Indian politics & Pakistani politics are not same. Bjp have never said Muslim are not part of India. Even in lots of places BJP won election because of Muslim community support... But we never appreciate sepretist ideology of religious extremism.
Why this book is not available in Amazon here in India
Musalman mulk banane ke chakkar me Arab and Turkish mulk bana diya gaya....🤣🤣😂😂🤣
Isn't that a good thing?
@@hawkingdawking4572you can't change DNA.... Only by reading a book 😂😂😂😂😂
@@siddhugoldi
You never had any book until the foreigners gave you how to make them. Even then handful of people could actually read and write vast majority were forbidden to read and write anyway. Even your current state sponsored god was made popular by the pen and paper of the 16th century Mughal rule. Yes, I am talking about Rama charitha Manas.
@@hawkingdawking4572 Allah was imagination of Muhammad, NOthing more than that. Not different from Stan lee creating Spiderman.
Lol toh ramayan aur vedanfa tere abbu nhi likha tha @@hawkingdawking4572 aur surgery ki discovery bhi tera chughals nhi kiya hoga nalanda university mai voh sand pe likhte hai honge lagta hai kaha se late ho yeh madarssa gyan
Awesome bro people have only two religion/ caste
One those who have wealth and power and those who don't baaki sab propaganda hai yeh chupaane ke liye
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isko parh Pakistan theek ho jaye ga?
Besides subsidies, a very large bureaucracy, and a very big army, serving Western doctrine, eats up big chunk from our annual budget.
I always say it
Shehzaad is one of the sanest voices today in the subcontinent. I might not agree with him on everything but that is just being human. I cannot debate his rational analysis and he always comes as genuine.
As usual, Shehzaad I am your regular follower. And I do wish that you also discover India and help explain it in your podcasts and monologues as you do to Pakistan. I would love to know what you discover and learn.
Namaskar.🙏🏽
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What you said on 29.00 minute will never happen in India . As Indian we are secular from within and our Religion does not restrict us from doing anything we want so we are secular. Pakistan always lag behind because mindset is still 14th century Stone-age period and everything has to revolve around religion People in India also religious but we don’t force our religion in others throat it is personal matter.
India will always prosper coz we are free society with great constitution that gives equal rights to all citizens.
The land of ancient India have always been a shelter for downtrodden and very giving! So, everyone who violated it paid for it dearly from mohd bin kasim to mohd jinna, from ahmadi Muslims to Bengali Muslims!
Kafi detailed aur boht thought provoking bat thi sir but wohi purani bat Maslow's ki hierarchy
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Nahee actually Maslow ki hierarchy of needs supersede karwa rahay hain na propaganda aur mass manipulation Kay tehad- you care more about nazriya e Pakistan than food for your family.
Very true! But phir wohi bat hy k ye idea absorb Karne k liye bohot lamba arsa darkaar hy I guess because humary logon ko bohot different tangent per uljha dia gya hy.
God bless ghias Bhai
Ap jese log jab tak educate Karne k liye mojood hyn Kuch na Kuch ban he jay ga Pakistan Ka Insha Allah
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I will read this Book. Have added it in good reads
Quite informative your podcasts are. In India people are moving towards utube channels as TV channels are 90 percent one sided. It seems same is situation in Pakistan.
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A great podcast 😊
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OMG he’s going on again about colonialism 🤦🏼♂️
Abdool, let me answer it for you and save your 50 minutes, the problem is Islam.
Colonialism didn’t create the ideology behind your cult.
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Excellent.
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Thanks Ghias ,
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Kudos to your thoughts 💭 sir. A few years back after listening to many vlogs, I too had that thought.
A thought process behind creating a separate state for Muslims was reason enough to axe state and provide them with exclusive opportunities to grow, or how they put it that time that Muslims cannot stay with Hindus (or under them) and won on that concept.
Actually what educated elite of UP and CP wanted to state was Muslims cannot live beside any other community.
That always kept me guessing as to how are Muslims of Pakistan (seekers of a separate state) are able to live in the west. Apologies if I sound condescending but that’s what Pakistanis give reasons for partition to everyone in North America or Europe. And some (westerners) question as to why then they are living and working besides non Pakistani and in a foreign land; there comes that awkward smile.
But thanks for thinking and explaining. I hope sanity prevails in India as well given the political crisis going on
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The state should not be based on religion. It's not only bad for the state it's bad for religion too because then the state gets to define what would be religious and what will be not. And then it takes the path of majoritarianism. We should not forget one thing we all are a minority in some sense. Maybe linguistic, regionalistic or gender wise.
Lol, somebody should have explained this to Jinnah...But they did, and he didnt care since he had other objectives..😂
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Good analysis
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To compare the states, compare percentage of minorities in both countries in 1947 vs 2024. That will say a lot about how tolerant society is.
Conditions inside pakistan seems very very similar to the Economic and political situation prevailing in France and Russia before French and Russian Revolution
People who think they are wise are actually otherwise - this anchor fits the description
Done deed...propelled by a wave of emotion rather than logic. For such once in a eon occurrence logic does not apply...its all hormones and emotions. No matter how much analysis one does no one will understand that time again. That time was unique in its context and will never occur again. Time instead of being measured by seconds and days could be measured by the events that shape it - such is their uniqueness. One can't understand it or derive any lessons from it because future time will bring with it unique set of events medley that will be unique in its characteristic. To try and understand each context is futile..only the people who existed during that time experienced that moment and that is lost for ever..like tears in rain.. Hence this past leader's bashing is so lame.. immature minds. Which true leader in right mind ever criticizes a past leader..One can only at best attempt to experience the circumstances they went thru. This is a serious improvement needed in Indian and Pakistani education system.student can let facts wash over them ..let their minds drench in the new concepts ..rather than judge//bring in morality in equation. So many german friends of mine have accepted what Hilter did without judgement..thanks to the way they are educated.
So the root cause is Islamisation of pak
Read the book.... The book and your analysis is very good.👍🏻
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Will purchase
Same shirt from Natalia, tabish podcast
Time to buy new shirts 😂 wohi repeat horaheen hain
BJP is ruling in India for last 10 years now how many rights happened in ind and and what rong BJP has done to any Muslims from 2014 are secularism in India is in danger. As they say all leftist and Congress in Germany after 9 years of rule Hitler started the war and holocaust of yahudi s if you want to give any opinion about India you must come to India one's and see Avery thing I know when it comes to BJP everyone is preconceived in their thoughts everyone no matter who they are so piz vist ind one's before you make any opinion about ind ❤❤❤ no hard feelings peace ✌🏻🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️❤out
Good to spread knowledge, it is a real jihad to educate people thanks 🙏 Shezad Betta❤
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Shehzad , yes you are right in that British took away the SOUL of our civilization. Taking collective responsibility, the sub-continent was already a wilted tree with hardly any innovation and adoption of the new methods (at least since 900 ad). We were only fighting each other and even printing press was missing here while Briton saw increasing progress in automation and technology in the same time.
I feel the British alone are not to be blamed for what is todays Pakistan. 1)From the onset (1947 and even before that), there should have been a consensus that the new land would belong to all (a bit of socialism) . I get the feeling this feeling was might have prevailed among some but they were disconnected from the large population. 2) There is a lot of talk that Pakistan got 2/3 of army. What stopped the govt post partition to CUT that to size. If they were to become businessmen today, they could have done that then too. 3)Analysts talk of trade with India, exports etc. I find it very silly and stupid (both may sound the same) that a country cannot even make its own roads and needs outside companies to do it. India had very very poor roads (even now state roads are that) but INDIANS build it. You guys are missing on the sense of pride and ownership! India has more - Hindustan Ambassador ,Amul, TATA, Mahidra truck to name a few.
You specifically have cases to mention from India and Israel. Why can’t you quote simple Pakistan example that your people will understand.
سوچنا ضروری ہے جس سے ہمیں روکنے کے لئے سو نعرے ایجاد ہوئے ۔ س بُت تراشے گیے ۔ 😅
Pakistan’s slide is reflected in fortunes of Karachi. At freedom the city was vibrant, prosperous and progressive.
So much that Singapore was modeled after it.
You could argue the Dec line started with flight of Hindus due to Hindu being first “Others “.
Pakistan in order to reinvent needs to let go down the current religio-military construct. Question is about willingness.
Hamarey Qaed ney farmaya hey ke Hindu Aur Musalmaan ek saath nahi reh sakte Isiliye Pakistan bana. Aaj hum majey sey mumlikt-e-khudadad Pakistan mey gay (cow) ka gosht kha sakte hain jo ki musalmanane hind soch bhi nahi sakte. No more discussion needed.