CIN@MIA: Redmond tossed after arguing overturned call
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- 7/31/14: Marlins manager Mike Redmond is tossed from the game after arguing an overturned call in the 8th inning
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I think the home plate umpire was almost as pissed off as the manager. He just can't show it, lol.
Zach Reese I’m not gonna lie this is the worst call in MLB history!!!
The umpire actually said "I agree with you Mike, this is bull****".
@@ゴジラが大好き One of them. Don’t forget Jerry Meals’ call with the Pirates and Braves. Or any call with Angel Hernandez or Joe West.
yeah and it’s not necessarily redmond mad at the ump, but it’s like, you’re here so you have to receive the fire
Not the umpires' fault. This was a call made in New York. They wrote this rule so poorly when it first came out that there was only one call to make, given the criteria, and this was it. Correct call, terrible rule. Redmond had to get himself thrown out on principle, as any manager would have done.
Those guys in New York are some SLOW, STUUUUUPID ASSHOLES!!!!
You could tell the umpires were being almost apologetic to Redmond...
jazzmole they also need to get rid of this rule or make it to be easily interpreted
Commissioner better fired those umpires in New York
Eject the manager, then buy him a round later or send him a 12 pack while he's cooling off at the club house while the game is concluding shortly after...#Stupid...
Angel Hernandez made that call from new York
Terrible call. Get yours money's worth Mike.
Blocked the plate before he had possession of the ball. Cry about it
every comment section i scroll down and see you. amazing
Airforceproud95 he blocked the plate.
He was fucking out. The catcher went to the ball, and the rule is that the catcher could go there if he has to get the ball. The runner didn’t slide, didn’t fucking touch home, and you guys are interpreting the rule wrong.
I FEEL LIKE DOING THE SAME THING!!!
I'm not even a Marlins fan and I'm saying Redmond should get his money's worth. That's just terrible. Though the Marlins announcers often annoy me, they bring up fair points.
The umpire clearly said "I agree with you, its bullshit" to redmond
To MLB's credit they did eventually release a memo that season that said something to the extent of: "The Posey Rule should not be used as a technicality to get a free run in cases where the runner is out by a wide margin." Basically saying that if the catcher blocking the plate doesn't actually impact the result of the play you can't ask for the "Posey Rule" to get a free run handed to you.
that being said thanks to the salty announcer for making this easy to find from a compilation video lol
As a Mets fan, I can't believe that this call was overturned. The runner should have been out like originally called.
@sean shanley same could be said for the runner. Both never even touched Homeplate.
@sean shanley why does that matter? he tagged him lmao
He could have blown the catcher ump and someone getting seriously hurt
That announcer isn’t biased at all haha
well they're the marlins broadcast crew
@@maddexmartin3560 they didn’t last long after Jeter got there
man I kinda want to hear the red's commentary now
Asmodai00 It was way better, I watched the entire game live on the Cincinnati broadcast.
Crepto Firebrick Knight well what was it like?
krispybananaz I watched it too they were saying Cozart was out because it was a rule in the rule book
warriors_fan_2123 no they said he should’ve been safe because the catcher was blocking the plate, they didn’t acknowledge the fact he had to go get the ball they only said he blocked the plate
Here ya go, FFW to the 2hr 05min mark for the play and commentary from the Reds side
ua-cam.com/video/GSOeijFZ1zc/v-deo.html
Hard to believe it's been exactly four years ago now, it's funny because I was thinking about it earlier. I saw the entire game live on the Cincinnati broadcast as a Red's fan and I couldn't believe the call had been overturned
Hard to believe it's been four years, almost 5 since you made this comment!
How is he safe?! Like really, he's clearly out!
The catcher blocked the plate before he had the ball and was in violation of rule 7.08 resulting in the runner being safe.
this rule doesn't come into account when the runner is out by 20 feet dumbass
20 feet... meaning almost 25% of the base path?... Nice try and excellent over-exaggeration of what was approximately 8 feet.
Qwilliams you don't know the rules of baseball do you lol. He's out. He can do whatever he wants when he has possession of the ball.
Clearly I do. He can block the plate only when he has the ball. However, he was blocking the plate before he had the ball and the throw did not pull him into that position. According to the rule, he is safe. Hence the people who made the rule with the rulebook directly in front of them watching the review calling the runner safe due to the catcher violating rule 7.08. The catcher does not get to block the plate and wait for the ball to get to him, receive the ball, and then claim he already had the ball as a reason for blocking the plate.
The overturn to safe was the correct call and not saying this just because i'm a Reds fan. The important part of the play is that the throw is coming from right field and basically parallel to the first base line. A throw from that angle has no possibility of forcing the catcher to move into the basepath to catch it. If you pause at around 2:13 or 2:14 you see the catcher is already blocking the basepath and the ball is just going by the player between the mound and 1st base. The catcher has his feet 3 to 4 feet apart which is a clear attempt to get over quicker but also in an illegal position. He could have put his left foot at the top of the batters box putting him in a legal position and still caught the ball. I know lots of people don't like it but in the end they got it right.
The guy was out by 10 feet or more. The catcher had the ball before the runner arrived.
@@andresramirez4469 And stupidly straddled the 3rd baseline before the ball got there when it wasn't necessary therefore a violation and a 100% great correct reversal.
I agree until you have the ball don’t block the base path, but the runner just gave up. Whatever happened to run him over if he’s in the way or slide atleast
Mathis had to move to get the ball, and there was like 5 feet between him and Cozart. Is he supposed to just let the throw go way off line and score two runs?
(This came up in one of my feeds today as it happened 10 years ago) I'm a Marlins fan and I hate to say it but I think you're right. It was a new rule. It was just natural for him to stand where he was to catch the ball but catchers needed to learn the new rule.
he was trying to get the ball, not fricken block the plate
that announcer is annoying af
Used to like Tommy Hutton as an announcer, but now that he's been fired for more than a season, kinda glad he's gone. I think Rich Waltz gets a bad rap because when most people say the Marlins announcers are annoying they are referring to Hutton.
Michael Green your right about Hutton. He once was a great analyst and broadcaster. But alot of times like this one he would let his anger and emotions get the better of him. Even though that was a terrible call by New York. And as for Waltz he wasn't that bad, but alot of times during games he did sound a little bit annoying. And the Marlins fans i think had had enough of them. That is why both are out of the Marlins TV booth. And it is Paul Severino and Todd Hollinsworth doing the Marlins games on TV. It was just time for change.
drsamw pepper Rich Waltz's final year was in 2017. Hutton got fired after the 2015 season.
drsamw pepper Rich Waltz was the more calmer one. Your right. Tommy was kinda a mixed bag announcer. Between being calm and professional and being a hothead and losing it on camera.
Evan Hullinger well i miss both of them together
I FEEL LIKE DOING THE SAME THING!!!!
He never even touched home plate after being tagged to justify a safe call, let alone being an entire zip code away when the ball reaches Mathis 😂
God every time I watch this I just get pissed off at the lack of effort from Cozart. Play the game, it’s your fault that you’re not fast enough to score without being a baby
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Slide into the catcher when he was blocking the plate and the ball beating him by 3 seconds?
Thanks, Posey.
Home Plate Umpire knows it’s BS: He was nodding in approval of Redmond.
"One thing Joe Torre told us in Los Angeles is that if the ball takes the catcher into the pathway of the runner, he's allowed to go get the ball."
That's the key statement, I think. Mathis left a lane open up until he had to go get the ball. Either Joe Torre was mistaken or the rule was interpreted incorrectly here. Common sense didn't prevail here because the throw beat Cozart by a mile anyways.
Home plate ought to be treated like any other base. The reason you don't see collisions at second or third is simple. The fielder has to give the runner access to the base, catch the ball, then tag, usually a swipe tag. When this happens, the fielder is normally standing behind the base, in front of it, or near it in some way. Watch next time a catcher tries to throw out a steal attempt. The fielder doesn't plant both feet between the base and the runner, then try to hang onto the ball during the inevitable collision. The catcher knew the rule change, blocked the plate anyway, but the runner also knew the rule, chose to avoid the collision and rely on rule enforcement. The runner was right. MLB does not want these home plate collisions anymore.
No, the catcher did not "block the plate" he set up with most of the plate exposed until the throw brought him slightly up the baseline. He received the throw then waited for the runner. The runners path was in no way altered by the catcher, he was just toast. And you're perfectly allowed to block any other base once you receive the ball.
@@chrisbrandli4780 he did block the plate. Before he has the ball (frames as the ball is coming in) he is in the same foot position as when he turns to make the tag. This position is what causes those home plate collisions. It is a bad call but it’s an exact example of what the catcher is NOT supposed to do anymore according to the rules.
@@Jwpro99 1:54 the catcher is set up behind the plate; he only moves up the line to field the throw. Shouldn't have been obstruction
@@tpearce713 Freeze the video @1:57. He does not have the ball and has is feet a good 3 to 4 feet apart across the baseline blocking the basepath. He did not have to do this to catch the ball. Anyone saying this is the worst call ever, why didn't he slide, or did they protest the game clearly doesn't grasp that part of the play which is why it is a violation and had to be called. As i said before lots of people don't like it but it's 100% the right call.
right call, stupid rule. i just feel bad that marlins fans have to listen to these announcers, that was horrible to sit through.
Aunt Jemima okay I get it but go make me my pancakes
Is baseball worth watching anymore?
The problem about this call is that technically the call itself was correct in that Mathis was blocking the plate prior to receiving the ball or even moving in position to get the ball. The marlins broadcasters though were making a big deal over the lack of slide from Cozart, that is a moot point because regardless of slide/no slide, he did not have a lane to even try to slide to. Mathis was in technical violation of that rule. The rule though was poorly worded and implemented.
Announcer got to into it, this is not his play, this is the players play. You don’t have to get mad at Cozart, even if he did slide, he probably would have been out.
Can we all agree that the Marlins have the worst announcers in baseball?
Peach Noch yes!
How are they the worst? They do say things at times that are bad or annoying, but they have a strong sense of what they're talking about. I'm not even a Marlins fan. Lastly, I don't know if they're is anyone worse than Joe Buck.
@jomboymedia can we get a closer look at this?
Catcher blocked the plate before possession of the ball - regardless the ball's path: cannot block the plate without possession.
Im not a fan of either team but that was ridiculous. I hope he got his money's worth
Mike Winters’ reaction to Redmond just screamed, “Hey, I don’t agree with this either, but there’s nothing I can do. Sorry, Mike.”
Every time New York tells the blue to reverse that call, they should also tell the manager "Hey, don't get mad at me. Thank Buster Posey for this controversy."
Gabriel Quesnot not Posey’s fault, idiot.
ever since contact with the catcher was thrown out, all you can do is slide or go around but I don't even think Cozart saw the throw and figured he would score standing up. but, when the rules change you gotta get a run however you can..
Announcers once again 100% wrong...
After listening to the announcers I wish he would have laid the catcher out
The Marlins, along with the Giants, were the teams that inspired this Buster Posey Rule back in 2011.
They should never tell new York what the call is during the time and just let them decide .
I agree - dont give them any info that might sway.
He can’t slide he’s blocking the way
And he's 20 feet from the plate
Blocking the plate is a NEW rule in the MLB the call is right but the rule sucks.
Especially when you're not even BLOCKING home plate!
This is why I hate instant replay. It takes them 10 minutes to get it wrong!!!!!!
Mature Patriot Well based on the ruling, it was a good call.
This was one of the Worst replay calls i ever saw. - 1st replay I ever saw in baseball took 5 min. and they got that one wrong also. I don't pull for any of the teams involved.
Sports Mixes - WHO are the idiots in NY making these call??????
I hate it too, if only the umpires didnt consistently get the calls wrong -_-
@MrBaseballMario, The rule may indeed be a bad rule, but it was absolutely interpreted in New York correctly, as the catcher clearly was blocking the plate BEFORE catching the ball.
I WOULD NOT GIVE A GOD DAM IF YOU CAN'T ARGUE AN OVERTURNED CALL I'D REFUSE TO LEAVE THE FIELD
Thank god my deafness because this annocuer is so annoying all the cc words are in capital letters
Why is this guy obsessed with the thought of this guy drilling through the catcher lmao like he’s literally mad the guy didn’t try to give the catcher and concussion.. ruthless lol
Wait a minute! Did he slide?
chrismca No he didn’t slide
*HE DIDNT EVEN SLIDE*
7:21 Get your moneys worth Red get your moneys worth
Where is he supposed to slide? The entire plate is blocked
Redmond - 7:13 "It's fucking bullshit!"
He didn’t even touch home regardless would’ve been out
Wow, that was and a great throw by Stanton, plus an 100% out... Are these umpires blind?
The rule may indeed be a bad rule, but it was absolutely interpreted in New York correctly, as the catcher clearly was blocking the plate BEFORE catching the ball.
There is some plays where it ends up what it is..You don't give the runner to the plate..It arrived early and he tags him out..Or if way early, the runner has responsibility to be just tagged out if the decision wasn't the right to try to make it home..His decision to run to the plate was the wrong one..Or sometimes may have to run back to 3rd..Forget blocking the plate if its way early like that..That's the way the interpretation of the rules made should go..
God, Jeets expunged all that was good with the Marlins- even the announcers. Miss you Rich and Tommy!- not to mention, the occasional rants.
Very good call Zack Cozart is goated
pussification of baseball
And if the catcher stand front of the home plate if he move cozart still have spaces so the announcer if the worst
7 years later I still think the umps made the correct call
Nope it was wrong. He had the ball and do what he wants. The runner should have slid.
@@williamsweeney3215 actually the umps did make the correct call, the umps called him out, NY said he was safe
Even me at 7 years old in 2014 watching this unfold knew the umpires were wrong to overturn the call
There's no doubt that this was a horrible call. It should have never gone to review, it's plain common sense. And you should be able to argue any call at anytime. Baseball, just like so many other sports has become ridiculous.
One question... slide where?
The catcher didn’t take the runner OR the base, but the runner didn’t touch home plate EITHER! Explain to me why fans are upset
I know most of you think the announcers are annoying but I thought when Hutton said "I feel like doing the same thing" it was hilarious!
The runner says he had no lane to run to home plate because the catcher was blocking it but it don't matter cause catcher had the ball in time to tag him and the runner ran on the oth
Nothing but First Class Horse-#&$&!!!! I'm mad for the Marlins myself! That's truly pathetic! I hope they eliminated that rule!
Announcers like this kinda get on my nerves. Like just call the game.
they not wrong though
Pathetic
Does anyone know the names of the guys calling the game?
The umpires in protest should not have thrown Redmon out.
Thanks Posey.
does anyone know why they kept on showing tom koehler the whole time?
He was the starter for the game
One of those rare situations where neither side is wrong. Mike Winters made the correct call in the moment, and technically New York made the correct call to overrule him, based on the context of the rule and its interpretation.
It's the rule itself that is awful, because it's so poorly written and such a rare scenario to even come up in the first place, means the finer details were never hashed out because it happens so infrequently in live play. This whole incident was setting precedent in a way.
Both calls were ultimately right, but the rule itself needs to be rewritten for clarity so theres no confusion, or just removed entirely.
These commentators are so full of drama.🙄
Play in traffic please
@@NickGore-rf2dd 😂😂😂
There is no “must slide” rule. The announcer is an absolute idiot. This is a rule change that definitely needs tweaked, but as the rule is currently written the call being overturned to runner safe is correct. The catcher is blocking the pathway without the ball, before the ball takes him farther left. I disagree with him being safe, but that’s the rule.
late, but he was saying he didn't even try to make a play
Daniel Salley No play could have been made. He’d have slid right into him.
@@chancegv but he had the ball. he was only in the way for a split second to catch up to the ball. terrible rule, but further extended because of his lack of trying.
@@pumpkingreg6673 you're right. Prior to moving to receive the ball he had is left foot on the top corner of the plate. Which would give the runner most of the plate. Only moved in the pathway to receive the ball. And him being in the pathway in no way altered the way the runner ran home.
I'm sorry, I thought you had to touch home plate to score a run. Can someone please explain how the fuck he is safe. How bout you slide before saying he blocked the plate. This is beyond stupid
shouldn't the catcher have had his left foot on the edge of home and when he caught it slide his foot to cut off the chance?
He should definitely be out, he didn’t slide and he didn’t even touch me plate, the catcher could possibly get a game ball and track him down and tag him.
Wait? Did he even slide?
Jason Burke Nope.
Blue jays fan here. Terrible call! He didn’t even try to slide!
worst call of all time
What does that announcer mean “why didn’t he slide?” Look at the play genius, how or where was he going to be to slide? That’s why they overturned the call. You can’t just block the plate and the running lane like that. It’s unofficially called “The Buster Posey Rule.” For when he blocked the plate and running lane and got trucked by the runner and broke his leg and 2 ligaments. It’s for player safety and that Mathis was in the way, exactly what you’re not supposed to do.
The announcer says this to prove the lack of effort from Cozart. Cozart realizes that he is out, but he should at least make an effort for it under the eyes of the announcer. It's obvious that if Cozart slides he's either a) look dumb or b) collide with Mathis, but the announcer says this to prove that Cozart knew that he was out from the second he saw the ball in Mathis' hand.
Actually you can, you need to go back and read rule 7.13 a little more carefully. It states that the catcher cannot block the plate if he is not in possession of the ball, but If the catcher is in possession of the ball or is in the process of catching the ball, he may block the plate. In this instance the catcher moved between the runner and the plate in order to catch the ball because the throw was off target, so he did nothing wrong according to the rule.
I feel bad for the umps here they clearly thought it was bullshit too but still had to make the call
I hope the Marlins protested this game. Absolutely horrendous.
Why dont we just let the runner waltz down the line and score cuz thats basically what he did and got rewarded for it
correct call, terrible, TERRIBLE ruling.
Ik im really late on this but I wouldnt even throw him out as the umpire bc he does not deserve it
7:12 "Horsesh*t that's f*cking bullsh*t
Reds fan here & Cozart was clearly out because he should’ve slid home plate instead of running and ran out of the baseline so to me this was a trash call in MLB history
You don't have to slide to get to home plate.
There is no rule that says you have to slide to get to home plate.
@@James_Batista9 i mean, this wasn’t the umpire’s call it was people in the league’s office in New York’s call
That is true but the catcher could have just stood directly in front of home plate that way the runner still had a lane and then the catcher could do whatever he wanted to get him out.
@@James_Batista9 i would have to agree with u on that one
There shouldn't be instant replay in the first place. Let alone for such an obvious play the announcers had it right, the umpires had it right, and the "interpreters" of the rules in New York should have had it right.
Would the runner have been ruled out by New York had the catcher after catching the throw briefly moved out of the runner's path and then went to tag the runner? It looks like the catcher would have had time to do that. Or did he already mess it up by catching the ball where he did?
No, the challenge would be the exact same because he blocked before he had the ball
GET YOUR MONEY'S WORTH RED! GET YOUR MONEY'S WORTH!
Cozart should if taken mathis out
two things first why is the runner apparently required per the announcers to slide? Second point does the catcher actually tag the runner when the runner goes around instead of sliding? I don's see the catcher actually tagging the runner so how is he out not while I don't like either team never have never will fair is fair & no tag on the runner he's not out. I will add that I never see the runner actually tag the home plate though either but the catcher just runs off the field. In my days even in high school & college as catcher I always made sure there was a tag on the runner. I never did it hard or anything but I always made sure to place a tag unless of course I didn't have the ball in time for a play. The Runner never tags home plate so if the catcher had follow through as he should have & tag the runner to "confirm" the out before running into the dug out maybe things would have been different. Catcher had all that time to make sure the runner was out. Catcher never tags the runner who never touches home. amatuer hour to both catcher & runner. @1:20 & even better view @1:55 & watch frame by frame catcher never tags the runner & the runner never touches home.
That is kinda shitty that Cozart didn't even slide. You should at least play the game the right way instead of trying to get the call
The call was wrong to begin with, I hate the rule as much as the next guy but how the fuck are you going to slide around a guy blocking the entire fucking base path?
Everyone hating on the announcers man! As a Marlins fan I miss Tommy Hutton in the booth he showed his emotion when needed
Perfect play. How do you get that wrong
It would have been a perfect baseball play in years past, but MLB created an idiotic rule that accomplished nothing. The problem is the umpires in NY must use that idiotic rule to make a decision. Do be aware the rule has been amended and modified since it was first created.
Baseball has never called obstruction on the catcher for blocking the plate with out the ball NOW they want the catcher to give the runner a running lane a straight line to the plate.
I REFUSE TO LEAVE THE FIELD THAT'S BULL HIT
I've never heard such annoying announcers in my life
Call it the Buster Posey rule
So since he was in front of the plate I guess Marlins fans, coaches, and players feel that he should have just trucked the catcher and that would be fine?
Isn’t that the similar play the rangers lost to the white Sox this season that was controversial?
It was a bad call Ripley......A bad call!