Speaking of Different Zelda characters We need these Zelda character's in the next game- We need Skull Kid From Majora's Mask Vaati Ghirahim From Skyward Sword Midna and Wolf Link From Twilight Princess Zant Impa From Hyrule Warriors Ravio From A Link Between Worlds Yuga Tetra From Wind Waker (With her being different from Link, Zelda, and Sheik) The Champions from Breath of The Wild- Revali, Daruk, Mipha, Urbosa Ect.........................................
@@ponderingfox Speaking of Tails and Shadow We also need Knuckles We need Amy Rose Dr. Robotnik/Eggman Silver Metal Sonic Rouge the Bat Blaze The Cat Ect............................
@@chiliandcornbread09 Yea, Melee’s Adventure mode is by far the worst. World of Light may not be a big cinematic spectacle but when you focus moreso on what it’s trying to be rather than comparing it to Subspace, it’s extremely fun.
@luis37342 the top tiers are just as gimmicky, Steves entire kit is a gimmick, Snake, Rob, Peach, Ditty all use a gimmick item, Joker, Terry, Cloud and Kazuya all have things they can charge. The difference is that they don't absolutely NEED to use the gimmick to win, low tiers do. If the low tiers were better they wouldn't feel as "gimmicky" because they wouldn't need to rely on it as much.
@@luis37342 huh? There’s literally no point. Queue up right now online. I bet I have a 1/20 chance of guessing your opponent. You add 20 more “bad” characters, and my bet would be the same. I don’t want to play a bad character and everybody you face doesn’t want to get steam rolled. It literally adds no value to the game. Just wasted characters.
Lowkey is pretty balanced... 50 characters are pretty close together. We just have 5-8 characters that destroy the meta. Fox, steve, sonic, mythra, rob But peach, snake and maybe gnw too. But even then it's not like sonic and peach and gnw is all in the top 5 placements except rob and steve.
Yeah like wtf man. That’s what makes smash amazing. Every. Character. Is. Viable. In every other fighting game. There’s a handful of good characters and the rest are ass. Typical Sonix bad take.
Ultimate introduced shield specials, and while the characters that have them (Inkling & Steve) got them more out of necessity, I think it'd be interesting to make them universal. Could be a cool way to expand everyone's moveset the same way side specials did back in Melee.
Speaking of Melee We need the next game to bring back Trophy's That plus bring back Break The Targets All Star Mode Event Matches Multi Man Smash That plus don't hide Home Run Contest behind a stupid paywall
Have more bad characters??? No way bro, having every character be viable is def what I want. Everyone’s fav character should have a shot. Also I just want more characters and better online, and yes some sort of ranked would be awesome.
Lmao make bad characters really bad, wtf, my favorite thing about Ultimate is that pretty much any character, and then he wants everyone to play Sonic 🤢
Speaking of Shadow We also need these Sonic Characters Throw in Tails that plus We also need Knuckles We need Amy Rose Dr. Robotnik/Eggman Silver Metal Sonic Rouge the Bat Blaze The Cat Ect............................
@@im_Spade_honestly they literally have to put it in. Rollback netcode is not new technology, the biggest gaming company in the world still not being able to implement it in 2025 would be hella embarrassing
@midgragas7177 I think Aether Studios did this with Rivals of Aether 1 and plans to keep it going with Rivals of Aether 2. You can already get tournament specific skins for attending or watching certain events.
Agreed We need Skull Kid From Majora's Mask Vaati Ghirahim From Skyward Sword Midna and Wolf Link From Twilight Princess Zant Impa From Hyrule Warriors Ravio From A Link Between Worlds Yuga Tetra From Wind Waker (With her being different from Link, Zelda, and Sheik) The Champions from Breath of The Wild- Revali, Daruk, Mipha, Urbosa Ect.........................................
I guess Leo forgot that Smash Ultimate did have Nintendo backed/supported tournaments/circuit with an actual prize pool. Panda Global was the biggest opportunity the community had with actually becoming sustainable e-sport, and the community just decided to send them to the Gulags over petty twitlongers by shitty community leaders.
think about it, they will probably do a 100 character roster total. 89 characters currently, and 11 new characters for 2 DLC passes, just like Ultimate
One thing i hope as a community we do this next go round is not hide stuff for super long. ESPECIALLY towards the end of the game’s support. Cuz Steve could’ve been so much more bearable if some people weren’t doing the whole “aight boys, now that patches are done lemme drop a 2 minute video on all the broken tech I’ve been hoarding 😏”. Best case scenario tho is that the game is live service all the way through to the next game
Marth needs a huge buff or rework 3:27. The character is so much fun and really SHOULDN'T be bad (he's the face of the FE franchise like Mario, he should NEVER be this bad). Like why is his *echo fighters* better than him if he is the OG?
Seriously remake every other character moveset from pre-Sm4sh, cut Echoes & other similarly designed characters (Dr. Mario) to be added as alts for the OG character (Mario) & overall cut the roster down to accommodate for the increased work in recreating unique character movesets. We can accept going from nearly 90 to 50 characters on the base roster (excluding Sm6sh DLC), as long as movesets are actually fresh, unique & represent their source material, compared to their Ult counterparts.
@@SussyBaka_irl For how many characters they have in Ult, I think they did a good job with movesets. I do agree that considering a crossover the size of Ultimate probably won't happen again for Smash 6, if they cut down on characters they should focus on improving/overhauling a fair amount of characters.
Yes I’m bias and I don’t really care, WE NEED MORE SONY REPS! Give me a Spyro, Crash bandicoot, Rachet and clank, jak and daxter, more FF characters, Astrobot, soul reaver, maybe another MGS character. Sony has so many good IP’s that would look great in smash
Playstation Allstars is a wasted opportunity, could have just renamed the game to Allstars or something and ported it to PC, they had a good platform fighter and just never expanded on it.
Squad strike should be the main competitive format when there is 100+ characters in the game. It is the only thing that makes sense to me. It would be so cool to see the strategies pros would have if they use different characters vs different players ect. swuadstrike looks like the most fun way to watch and enjoy competive ultimate and keep it fresh, I don’t know why other people don’t see this. Anybody ? Hello? Are you out there ?
Best way to rework Lucario is to give him self-damaging moves like Pichu. That way he’s not only relying on losing to perform well, he can control the risk he’s taking by increasing his own damage intentionally
this is such a cool idea, could make aura sphere way more interesting... combos and strings that change context based on how much you can damage yourself to maximise aura?
@Arctyx_Xo No, mostly because that’s the whole thing that makes Lucario interesting. Consider having Aura fade at a decent pace over time as a better way to balance it as well. Getting damaged will increase Aura, but it’s temporary. The higher percent Lucario is, the more Aura he gains each time he is hit, but it still fades at the same steady pace. This allows some counterplay against Aura, by allowing you to pace your attacks against Lucario over time to avoid bringing him to full strength.
@@andrewcavallo1877 no thats what makes him uninteresting and unplayable, he has such a cool moveset and movement, but it doesnt mater because he has a mechanic that makes him 10 times more inconsistent than marth
I want them to buff every character that’s both hard and bad, the hard characters should reward you for learning them. Robin is a good example of someone who fits here
I feel like there should be more “archetypes” if that makes sense… kind of how sheik can combo well but has low single hit damage and terry with his go… I feel like it adds a lot of variety to character picks and makes every character have a fun win condition to work for when developing their character!
Leo has such good takes man. Dream main Marth, wants Leon from RE4, I agree wholeheartedly with both Edit: on the other hand, Sonix takes are pretty God awful, except for the bit about not having too many patches.
Ultimate is a major achievement in all of fighting game history. I can't think of a single other fighting game that has a cast this large where such a huge percentage of the cast I've seen in high level tournament play. To add to that, the depth of the game is dynamic enough that even without patches for years the meta of the game has still evolved. There may not be a perfect fighting game, but let's be real - Ultimate is probably the closest we've gotten so far. I'm really hyped for what they do next.
Is the new innovation for smash going to be; an additional function where the right joystick decides the direction any attack in a characters kit. It seems highly technical and limits the general pilot viability. It would have to change the range/knock back to balance it
I was interested in Shadow because I want his music in Smash; "Supporting Me", "Radical Highway", "This Machine", "Throw it All Away" , "For True Story". But since Sonix is serious about maining Shadow if comes in, that would skyrocket my hype for the character since I know I'll have consistent tournament representation. That being said, saying there should be more bad characters, imagine if the bad characters were all your favorites. No way you could say the same thing then.
I would give moves slightly more end lag the more you spam them in a row. Id start it after the 3rd or 5th use as to not impede combo possibilities too much but to force more creativity.
I remember MockRock talking about the universe having assists in the game, and I think it’s a perfect addition for smash 6. Combos you can get with it keeps the game fresh than probably ultimate’s current lifespan
The only thing that would make me buy and play a new smash game is rollback netcode and good Ethernet integration on switch 2. I don’t think that’s happening unfortunately, but I hope yall get stuff to make you happy
With Lucario, why not make only some moves or some aspects of moves buffed by Aura, and make the moves just generally good? i.e. bair is unaffected by aura completely, but aura sphere obviously gets larger still, and side special just gets more range, but stays the exact same move otherwise. Also I'm totally here for Paper Mario reps Maister, don't let them shame you!
In an idealistic world, the starting roaster would be the current 98 characters, we get Crystal, Back Shadow (FZero villain), More metroid characters, dixie cranky funky kong, xenoblade 3 character, Leon, Raiden, etc. They add shield specials, roll back for net code. But I feel it will be like Mario Kart 8 for switch with maybe 3 or 4 new dlc characters.
More bad characters bc you dont wanna learn the mu is such a bad take especially for a guy who mains a AT MINIMUM top 10 char and is a super lab rat who likes to find all these weird niche gimmick setups for sonic. "I should be rewarded for labbing my good (favorite) character but you shouldnt bc i dont want to learn your gimmicks alongside mine"
I have wanted playable Shadow since 2007. Using unique chaos abilities as seen in Sonic Battle on the Gameboy. Smash legacy xp, smash flash mod by znx are a good example of a unique shadow
I would buff rushdown as a strategy. Falcon has to rely on DI/%-dependant combo routes and gets reversal cheesed for going for it/no answer to projectiles in spite of having a move like Falcon Kick. Shiek is fine but she could use a buff in either damage, kill power or hitboxes since she doesn't have either really.
just make the game more like melee. add wavedashing out of shield, shield drops on platforms, and more punish game / combo heavy than ult. would fix a lot of issues imo. also I main falcon in Melee where he's actually a good character so I honestly recommend playing melee cause he's so fun to play in that game.
Are they really complaining that the game is too balanced??? These are some of the worst takes I have ever heard from the people who are supposed to represent the elite of a fighting game
Not buffing Ganon would be a travesty. I’m not saying every character should be visible at top level but characters should have a chance to do it. He’s so bad no one even tries. The best Ganons don’t even with their locals
1. More characters 2. More lag on moves. It's so hard to punish mistakes, especially for the broken characters. Some characters out here throwing out charged smash attacks before their opponent can jab like wtf 3. Give characters more unique moves. I love Link's BotW bomb, and yet Ganon has like no canonical things in his moveset at all. Let him reflect projectiles with his sword or something like in Ocarina of Time, idk be creative 4. GIVE US BETTER ALTS. WHY ARE WE STILL JUST CHANGING COLORS, COME ON. IT'S 2025, GIVE THESE CHARACTERS SKINS FROM THEIR GAMES PLEASE. THANKS
Sonix saying "Make more of the characters bad so I don't have to worry about them" 7:55 is actually insane lol. So just make 90+ characters with only 20% viable? Lol
I personally would love a reboot game go back 45 characters plus 15 more dlc characters and all returning characters get brand new move sets and give me dimentio from paper mario the fun gang from deltarune and any hollow knight character
Honestly one big thing I never see anyone talking about is how the parry system made the devs too lenient on the frame data,some moves feel like they should be more punishable for the reward they give and it only makes sense to me that they are that way cause the devs felt like the parry system would counteract it. Hell,sometimes you even parry something and you get no reward. Maybe even make it so parrying a projectile reflects it,it would force them to be more creative with some characters kits and it would allow characters that get camped a lot to still have a shot and they could still make the character interesting without having to add a counter or reflect so they can actually compete against projectile camping.
Fighters I want in smash Dante Vergil Raziel Assassins creed with skins Scorpion/subzero Majoras mask Doom slayer Lara Croft Shadow More villains If they keep the same fighters in the game and get rid of Eco fighters, which would make more room for more fighters, with the stages. New storyline game like brawl with cut scenes, etc. would be the best outcome.
not a new mechanic but make parrying actually good also make neutral get up worse, only having 1 frame to punish it is mad annoying for characters without a good lingering hitbox and do what sonix said to jump get up
7:56 what kind of gas station crack are smash players consuming? "Please add more shitty characters that don't produce results even when time is invested into them" Do they want people to play their game?
I’d be very surprised if Persona got another rep. Shin Megami Tensei may get a rep though I doubt it, especially now that Metaphor was an instant classic and will probably get more games. Due to limited slots, they could put Tails and Knuckles in Sonic’s reworked kit, and add Dr. Eggman and Shadow as playables.
i think for nexyt smash they just expand on ultimate rather then making a whole new game from the ground up, because then they can keep all the characters
7:51 No hate on Sonix but that must be the worst take I’ve heard ever. Man like a fighter game who seeks to be good seeks to make the game balanced. How can you say that you need to put bad characters on the game and that the Tiers need to have a bigger gap, it is literally what makes smash ultimate the best game among the others smash titles and one of the best fighting games ever. Don’t know if he was rage baiting or just trolling but wtf I can’t understand that take.
It kinda feels like maybe nintendo will not focus on smash, at least not in the start. It really felt like sakurai, seemed like smash ultimate was like getting everything done thag he wanted. Idk i don't think we will see smash 6 at least in the near future. What could be wild, and would move in the direction other nintendo games have gone in is to, is to make mødes with more players in it. For mario party, they added like a kinda battle Royale, as a mode, and honestly that would be dope. Like imagine large ass stages, where you move around, like the stages from smash run from the 3ds or like stages like the one in subspace emmasary, where you move around. But know you can move around and beat up other people, and maybe get upgrades and what not, while running into other players. And then either the time runs out, and you all brawl I the end with your upgrades, or like the last 8 brawls it out, or the map just gets smaller untill you fight eachother, and 1 is left standing. That could be really fun
For sure the only thing “patch wise” that should be fixed is bugs. Nerfing Steve would be fine/great but other than that I think it’s a good thing Smash doesn’t change. Also, actually, if they were to patch lower tiered characters would be nice. I need my Villager love 🙏🏽 Raito made him “too balanced” 😭 I think it would be good for the game to improve some of these characters but not all. For example, like Sonic said, the heavies shouldn’t be, mainly because they’re in a RELATIVELY perfect spot in the meta.
I'm pretty sure it'll be Ultimate Deluxe adding 40 new characters, making it the largest roster in gaming history. Change the story mode and templates.
If they keep Steve they need to limit the amount of blocks he can place per game cuz think about it, in Minecraft the blocks disappear after you mine them. Technically the stage he’s hitting should run out of materials. They need to balance a mechanic that broken. Making platforms in a platform fighter is kinda busted. Also, split up ganon into ganon and ganon final form like they do with Zelda and link
For mechanics, I would love to be able to save custom arenas from other players, some of them are stupidly funny. It would also be great if they heavily decrease the value of a move if you repeat it often. It already happens, I know, but it barely makes any difference. I've fought players who are top at a certain move and they seemed like mind readers, but it makes for an unsporty boring fight. Encouraging players to be more varied with their moveset would make more reasonable fights. Its rare but it still happens.
Im not gonna lie it would be insane to see a true to heart grappler character. Someone like zangief or king would literally be the most unique character ever
Smash 6 will change lives and get our contracts renewed, we BELIEVE
Bro after panda idk if nintendo is touching competitive smash with a 5000 mile stick
@@humouringg imo smash is huge as a party game alone. Bigger than the competitive scene. Wouldn't make sense not to announce another one.
@ Lol obviously man. Im talking about competitive smash and nintendo running a circuit
ty big phil 🙏
they needa hurry it up so that cash flow hits the scene fr, y'all deserve it
making a luminosity smash 6 video without tweek is diabolical
Nice pfp man
Tweek overslept unfortunately 😪
If you guys had the wherewithal to tell his dumbass before shooting, then that's on him. @luminositysmash
Tweek would've DOUBLED the video length considering how invested he is in this question lmao
@@pwnismaximus doubled is a very low estimate
-Different Zelda characters
-Ganon rework
-Other older characters reworked
-Nerf gameplay that incentivises non-engagement
Speaking of Different Zelda characters
We need these Zelda character's in the next game-
We need Skull Kid From Majora's Mask
Vaati
Ghirahim From Skyward Sword
Midna and Wolf Link From Twilight Princess
Zant
Impa From Hyrule Warriors
Ravio From A Link Between Worlds
Yuga
Tetra From Wind Waker (With her being different from Link, Zelda, and Sheik)
The Champions from Breath of The Wild- Revali, Daruk, Mipha, Urbosa
Ect.........................................
Sonic rework
Whabout sonic rework??
Whabout sonic rework??
Sonix is right yall gimme Shadow
That FE comeback to Leo is too strong lol
I’d take Tails for another fox in the game. But Sonic needs to be de-tuned or something.
"OniiChanPls" you're not only wrong about shadow and fire emblem but you're jobless too
@@ponderingfox sonic frontiers sonic should be his moveset going forward, not dash attacks left right and center tbh
@@ponderingfox Speaking of Tails and Shadow
We also need Knuckles
We need Amy Rose
Dr. Robotnik/Eggman
Silver
Metal Sonic
Rouge the Bat
Blaze The Cat
Ect............................
@@isuck6049no sonic battle moveset
Smash 6 needs a proper adventure mode like melee and brawl
Melee didn’t have a good story mode idk why people have gaslit themselves into thinking it did
World of Light is not as bad as y'all make it out to be goddamn
@@chiliandcornbread09 but have a better gameplay by far
@@chiliandcornbread09 melee had best mechanics, hope they bring back wavedashing in s6
@@chiliandcornbread09 Yea, Melee’s Adventure mode is by far the worst. World of Light may not be a big cinematic spectacle but when you focus moreso on what it’s trying to be rather than comparing it to Subspace, it’s extremely fun.
MORE BAD CHARACTERS IS THE WORST TAKE I HAVE EVER HEARD! 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
For real! It would mean everyone mains the same 6 characters and there’s no reward for grinding with a less popular character
Sonix had a ton of bad takes lol but this one is just diabolical lol
Nah, he has a point. These are so gimmicky and players get away with it. We need that low tier Bowser in melee character.
@luis37342 the top tiers are just as gimmicky, Steves entire kit is a gimmick, Snake, Rob, Peach, Ditty all use a gimmick item, Joker, Terry, Cloud and Kazuya all have things they can charge. The difference is that they don't absolutely NEED to use the gimmick to win, low tiers do. If the low tiers were better they wouldn't feel as "gimmicky" because they wouldn't need to rely on it as much.
@@luis37342 huh? There’s literally no point. Queue up right now online. I bet I have a 1/20 chance of guessing your opponent. You add 20 more “bad” characters, and my bet would be the same.
I don’t want to play a bad character and everybody you face doesn’t want to get steam rolled. It literally adds no value to the game. Just wasted characters.
sonix unironically saying the game is too balanced is INSANE
Lowkey is pretty balanced... 50 characters are pretty close together. We just have 5-8 characters that destroy the meta.
Fox, steve, sonic, mythra, rob
But peach, snake and maybe gnw too.
But even then it's not like sonic and peach and gnw is all in the top 5 placements except rob and steve.
@@Beyond_Darkking sonic and Gnw are top 5 with Miya and Sonix
Also rob isn’t top 5
Game is LITERALLY the most balanced smash ever
yeah that was the dumbest thing ive ever heard. like wtf is he talking about haha
7:54 is such a true-evil character take lmao
You cannot have a game with even more characters playable but even less characters viable
he should get Monkey paw'd and Sonic is a bad character like in Brawl 😂
Also fun how the question is how to balance the game and his answer is literally to make it less balancedXD
@Athorment Sonix would just make sonic look top tier again
Yeah like wtf man. That’s what makes smash amazing. Every. Character. Is. Viable. In every other fighting game. There’s a handful of good characters and the rest are ass. Typical Sonix bad take.
That was a dumb take tbh lol
Ultimate introduced shield specials, and while the characters that have them (Inkling & Steve) got them more out of necessity, I think it'd be interesting to make them universal. Could be a cool way to expand everyone's moveset the same way side specials did back in Melee.
Speaking of Melee
We need the next game to bring back Trophy's
That plus bring back Break The Targets
All Star Mode
Event Matches
Multi Man Smash
That plus don't hide Home Run Contest behind a stupid paywall
For those who don’t know (like me), what are shield specials?
@@SquarePush specials that need the shield button. Inkling recharges ink via shield->special and steve gets a crafting table via shield->special
Did mkleo dirty with that thumbnail man
Have more bad characters??? No way bro, having every character be viable is def what I want. Everyone’s fav character should have a shot. Also I just want more characters and better online, and yes some sort of ranked would be awesome.
Also more customization options in the training room PLZZZ
Waluigi
Sonix talking about “more bad characters that I don’t have to learn the matchup for”like Sonic doesn’t already auto win vs like every low tier already
Lmao make bad characters really bad, wtf, my favorite thing about Ultimate is that pretty much any character, and then he wants everyone to play Sonic 🤢
@@raven-apretty much every character what
Cry more little kid
I like more bad characters like Doc for example.
@@maddox9511 cry more
More balance patches would be better. They keep the game fresh.
We need balance patches every 4 months-ish. I think thats enough
"I don't think heavies deserve to be buffed" 🗣🗣🗣
Only DK
Combo game should get buffed
Maybe more hit stun on heavies so there easier to combo
@@hectorneros7171 Idk man, combo heavies are tough to make right now
give ganon a float
Shadow as an echo fighter would actually be pretty sick.
“Im not going to say who” 😂 weird way of saying Shadow the hedgehog
Speaking of Shadow
We also need these Sonic Characters
Throw in Tails
that plus We also need Knuckles
We need Amy Rose
Dr. Robotnik/Eggman
Silver
Metal Sonic
Rouge the Bat
Blaze The Cat
Ect............................
ROLLBACK NETWORK PLEASE
Ain't no way. But we can hope, pray and beg.
@@im_Spade_honestly they literally have to put it in. Rollback netcode is not new technology, the biggest gaming company in the world still not being able to implement it in 2025 would be hella embarrassing
@@Exorcist_ali248 Yeah, it has literally stopped me from playing the game and the reason why I haven't really played Smash since 2021
That's a funny joke
id sell my soul for this
What if Nintendo hosted a yearly tournament and the winner could add on skin to one character to show that the Esports can impact the game
@midgragas7177 I think Aether Studios did this with Rivals of Aether 1 and plans to keep it going with Rivals of Aether 2. You can already get tournament specific skins for attending or watching certain events.
Allat for a skin ?
but they don't want to show that eSports can impact the game
A great idea for a prize that isn't money which could work to bolster attendance
Bad idea bro. 😅
There’s no way Sonix isn’t trolling on this video. 85% of his takes are sooo steaming hot it’s actually insane.
A series that needs more reps is Zelda. There's 6 Zelda characters, and they are three Links, two Zeldas, and Captain Falcon.
Ganon?
@@iQuoz ganon is based on captain falcon's moveset lol he needs his entire kit reworked imo
A series that needs more reps is a series that doesn’t have any characters yet.
Agreed
We need Skull Kid From Majora's Mask
Vaati
Ghirahim From Skyward Sword
Midna and Wolf Link From Twilight Princess
Zant
Impa From Hyrule Warriors
Ravio From A Link Between Worlds
Yuga
Tetra From Wind Waker (With her being different from Link, Zelda, and Sheik)
The Champions from Breath of The Wild- Revali, Daruk, Mipha, Urbosa
Ect.........................................
We need a new HEAVY. Please bring in Dr.Egg-Man.
Bros gonna play like bowser jr but fat though
Hmmm new heavy
Blanka
Gutsman
Sigma
Mike haggar
Machamp
Zangief
Nemesis
Something like this 🤷🏽♂️
0:25 why does leo lowk look like a hologram?
CG Leo 😥
Probably the lighting
The camera was glitchy so they used AI to enhance the quality of
That’s the Mexico filter
Nintendo literally gonna release “smash brother ultimate deluxe”
I guess Leo forgot that Smash Ultimate did have Nintendo backed/supported tournaments/circuit with an actual prize pool. Panda Global was the biggest opportunity the community had with actually becoming sustainable e-sport, and the community just decided to send them to the Gulags over petty twitlongers by shitty community leaders.
think about it, they will probably do a 100 character roster total. 89 characters currently, and 11 new characters for 2 DLC passes, just like Ultimate
Like a smash 100? I'm completely down for that
It makes alot of sense @@anwnerd1762
One thing i hope as a community we do this next go round is not hide stuff for super long. ESPECIALLY towards the end of the game’s support. Cuz Steve could’ve been so much more bearable if some people weren’t doing the whole “aight boys, now that patches are done lemme drop a 2 minute video on all the broken tech I’ve been hoarding 😏”. Best case scenario tho is that the game is live service all the way through to the next game
Marth needs a huge buff or rework 3:27. The character is so much fun and really SHOULDN'T be bad (he's the face of the FE franchise like Mario, he should NEVER be this bad). Like why is his *echo fighters* better than him if he is the OG?
Seriously remake every other character moveset from pre-Sm4sh, cut Echoes & other similarly designed characters (Dr. Mario) to be added as alts for the OG character (Mario) & overall cut the roster down to accommodate for the increased work in recreating unique character movesets.
We can accept going from nearly 90 to 50 characters on the base roster (excluding Sm6sh DLC), as long as movesets are actually fresh, unique & represent their source material, compared to their Ult counterparts.
@@SussyBaka_irl For how many characters they have in Ult, I think they did a good job with movesets. I do agree that considering a crossover the size of Ultimate probably won't happen again for Smash 6, if they cut down on characters they should focus on improving/overhauling a fair amount of characters.
Mqrth was top tier in every game before ult, he deserves to be bad now
Yes I’m bias and I don’t really care, WE NEED MORE SONY REPS! Give me a Spyro, Crash bandicoot, Rachet and clank, jak and daxter, more FF characters, Astrobot, soul reaver, maybe another MGS character. Sony has so many good IP’s that would look great in smash
I would love crash in smash
@@user-x2y2x crash, Spyro and Rachet n clank are my top picks, all 3 would look great in a smash render 🔥🔥🔥
Playstation Allstars is a wasted opportunity, could have just renamed the game to Allstars or something and ported it to PC, they had a good platform fighter and just never expanded on it.
Squad strike should be the main competitive format when there is 100+ characters in the game. It is the only thing that makes sense to me. It would be so cool to see the strategies pros would have if they use different characters vs different players ect. swuadstrike looks like the most fun way to watch and enjoy competive ultimate and keep it fresh, I don’t know why other people don’t see this. Anybody ? Hello? Are you out there ?
Yes always wished they added squad strike online. Super missed opportunity. I always used to run Ryu Ken Mac
Fr Fr bro, unfortunately all competitive community have to agree. And we know why Nintendo doesnt support it
Best way to rework Lucario is to give him self-damaging moves like Pichu. That way he’s not only relying on losing to perform well, he can control the risk he’s taking by increasing his own damage intentionally
Or just get rid of this stupid ass auro mechanic?
I would make Lucario to be half as strong with aura but permanent, no mechanic, cause losing to win is nuts.
this is such a cool idea, could make aura sphere way more interesting... combos and strings that change context based on how much you can damage yourself to maximise aura?
@Arctyx_Xo No, mostly because that’s the whole thing that makes Lucario interesting. Consider having Aura fade at a decent pace over time as a better way to balance it as well. Getting damaged will increase Aura, but it’s temporary. The higher percent Lucario is, the more Aura he gains each time he is hit, but it still fades at the same steady pace. This allows some counterplay against Aura, by allowing you to pace your attacks against Lucario over time to avoid bringing him to full strength.
@@andrewcavallo1877 no thats what makes him uninteresting and unplayable, he has such a cool moveset and movement, but it doesnt mater because he has a mechanic that makes him 10 times more inconsistent than marth
I want them to buff every character that’s both hard and bad, the hard characters should reward you for learning them. Robin is a good example of someone who fits here
They should atleast give little mac his side special back when he gets hit atleast 😭
Yes!!! I always say he would be 100%. Viable if not for that eyesore
We need more persona
and fire emblem
Shin Megami Tensei needs to be in. Its weird the spinoff is in smash but the main game series isnt
I feel like there should be more “archetypes” if that makes sense… kind of how sheik can combo well but has low single hit damage and terry with his go… I feel like it adds a lot of variety to character picks and makes every character have a fun win condition to work for when developing their character!
Leo spitting facts 1:37 different color and different shoes 😂
Lol.
Sonix: He's different.
Leo: Yea, he's different color and different shoes.
Sonix set himself up with that.
But shadow's edgy and he has.. chest hair
@@NoooOOOoooification ay yo?
maister leo and sonix roasting each other at the start was too funny
Leo has such good takes man. Dream main Marth, wants Leon from RE4, I agree wholeheartedly with both
Edit: on the other hand, Sonix takes are pretty God awful, except for the bit about not having too many patches.
Heavies don’t deserve to be buffed is CRAZY coming from a sonic player
Ultimate is a major achievement in all of fighting game history. I can't think of a single other fighting game that has a cast this large where such a huge percentage of the cast I've seen in high level tournament play. To add to that, the depth of the game is dynamic enough that even without patches for years the meta of the game has still evolved.
There may not be a perfect fighting game, but let's be real - Ultimate is probably the closest we've gotten so far. I'm really hyped for what they do next.
I love competitive play but I wouldn't mind some new game modes. I enjoyed the alternate ways to play from past smash games.
add Raiden from Metal Gear
Is the new innovation for smash going to be; an additional function where the right joystick decides the direction any attack in a characters kit. It seems highly technical and limits the general pilot viability. It would have to change the range/knock back to balance it
Martha being fixed and Ike having a usable kit would be cool.
2:25 what was that Pillsbury Doughboy laugh 😂
"How would you balance the game?"
Sonix: make it more unbalanced.
I was interested in Shadow because I want his music in Smash; "Supporting Me", "Radical Highway", "This Machine", "Throw it All Away" , "For True Story". But since Sonix is serious about maining Shadow if comes in, that would skyrocket my hype for the character since I know I'll have consistent tournament representation.
That being said, saying there should be more bad characters, imagine if the bad characters were all your favorites. No way you could say the same thing then.
I would give moves slightly more end lag the more you spam them in a row. Id start it after the 3rd or 5th use as to not impede combo possibilities too much but to force more creativity.
I remember MockRock talking about the universe having assists in the game, and I think it’s a perfect addition for smash 6. Combos you can get with it keeps the game fresh than probably ultimate’s current lifespan
The only thing that would make me buy and play a new smash game is rollback netcode and good Ethernet integration on switch 2. I don’t think that’s happening unfortunately, but I hope yall get stuff to make you happy
The leo defense of fire emblem characters was great 😂
With Lucario, why not make only some moves or some aspects of moves buffed by Aura, and make the moves just generally good?
i.e. bair is unaffected by aura completely, but aura sphere obviously gets larger still, and side special just gets more range, but stays the exact same move otherwise.
Also I'm totally here for Paper Mario reps Maister, don't let them shame you!
Just CUT Dr.mario and we got a smash 6😎
In an idealistic world, the starting roaster would be the current 98 characters, we get Crystal, Back Shadow (FZero villain), More metroid characters, dixie cranky funky kong, xenoblade 3 character, Leon, Raiden, etc. They add shield specials, roll back for net code. But I feel it will be like Mario Kart 8 for switch with maybe 3 or 4 new dlc characters.
More bad characters bc you dont wanna learn the mu is such a bad take especially for a guy who mains a AT MINIMUM top 10 char and is a super lab rat who likes to find all these weird niche gimmick setups for sonic.
"I should be rewarded for labbing my good (favorite) character but you shouldnt bc i dont want to learn your gimmicks alongside mine"
3v3, 2v1, 3v1, would be great matches to see added. 4v4 would be hard given internet connections, but I would love that online.
"Es sonic con diferentes zapatos" xd
I have wanted playable Shadow since 2007. Using unique chaos abilities as seen in Sonic Battle on the Gameboy. Smash legacy xp, smash flash mod by znx are a good example of a unique shadow
I would buff rushdown as a strategy. Falcon has to rely on DI/%-dependant combo routes and gets reversal cheesed for going for it/no answer to projectiles in spite of having a move like Falcon Kick. Shiek is fine but she could use a buff in either damage, kill power or hitboxes since she doesn't have either really.
Acting like fox, roy and (maybe) pikachu arent high to top tier characters.
Shiek isnt even rushdown
just make the game more like melee. add wavedashing out of shield, shield drops on platforms, and more punish game / combo heavy than ult. would fix a lot of issues imo. also I main falcon in Melee where he's actually a good character so I honestly recommend playing melee cause he's so fun to play in that game.
Are they really complaining that the game is too balanced??? These are some of the worst takes I have ever heard from the people who are supposed to represent the elite of a fighting game
Yea that was a garbage take by sonix
It’s really not that balanced lol
Smash is the most unbalanced balanced game
I don’t think the game is THAT balanced which is why it’s so crazy that they are saying it IS too balanced
The game is balanced around everybody being overtuned and broken
Sonix not knowing who Leon Kennedy makes him even more goofy/dull than he already is. Bro only knows sonic characters i bet
We need to keep stage builder in the next game, I have sneaky little plans
Not buffing Ganon would be a travesty. I’m not saying every character should be visible at top level but characters should have a chance to do it. He’s so bad no one even tries. The best Ganons don’t even with their locals
Bro needs a rework from the ground up than a buff.
He needs to be reworked entirely to mirror Tears of the Kingdom's design, with a hybrid melee and magic moveset
1. More characters
2. More lag on moves. It's so hard to punish mistakes, especially for the broken characters. Some characters out here throwing out charged smash attacks before their opponent can jab like wtf
3. Give characters more unique moves. I love Link's BotW bomb, and yet Ganon has like no canonical things in his moveset at all. Let him reflect projectiles with his sword or something like in Ocarina of Time, idk be creative
4. GIVE US BETTER ALTS. WHY ARE WE STILL JUST CHANGING COLORS, COME ON. IT'S 2025, GIVE THESE CHARACTERS SKINS FROM THEIR GAMES PLEASE. THANKS
How funny that the video started with "the Switch 2 will be revealed soon" for the video to be uploaded on the same day the Switch 2 was revealed
We need more LG in here. I know that Tweek overslept but what about Marss? Or even maybe Void?
6:33, maybe you could do something where when you spam the same move a bunch of time, the amount of damage it deals decreases.
Uhhhh I'm not sure you are familiar with the existing smash games since like, at least Brawl 😂
@@im_Spade_ I think they are talking about on use, not on hit which causing moves to stale
They always be doing Leo dirty with these thumbnails! I still remember the Joker one lol
Sonix saying "Make more of the characters bad so I don't have to worry about them" 7:55 is actually insane lol. So just make 90+ characters with only 20% viable? Lol
You didn't mention the campaign, they should bring back something like Subspace
I personally would love a reboot game go back 45 characters plus 15 more dlc characters and all returning characters get brand new move sets
and give me dimentio from paper mario the fun gang from deltarune and any hollow knight character
Bold of you guys to believe nintendo wont just port Ultimate Deluxe to Switch 2 the same way MK8 deluxe was ported to switch 💀
Honestly one big thing I never see anyone talking about is how the parry system made the devs too lenient on the frame data,some moves feel like they should be more punishable for the reward they give and it only makes sense to me that they are that way cause the devs felt like the parry system would counteract it. Hell,sometimes you even parry something and you get no reward.
Maybe even make it so parrying a projectile reflects it,it would force them to be more creative with some characters kits and it would allow characters that get camped a lot to still have a shot and they could still make the character interesting without having to add a counter or reflect so they can actually compete against projectile camping.
5:42
Nah the sarcasm 🤣 Sonix is too funny man
Fighters I want in smash
Dante
Vergil
Raziel
Assassins creed with skins
Scorpion/subzero
Majoras mask
Doom slayer
Lara Croft
Shadow
More villains
If they keep the same fighters in the game and get rid of Eco fighters, which would make more room for more fighters, with the stages. New storyline game like brawl with cut scenes, etc. would be the best outcome.
not a new mechanic but make parrying actually good
also make neutral get up worse, only having 1 frame to punish it is mad annoying for characters without a good lingering hitbox
and do what sonix said to jump get up
I think if they wanted to rework Lucario they could make him a lot heavier or average weight. I think that could be really broken
Sonix basically said “this is too balanced 😂” when he said he wanted a bigger gap between better and worse characters.
7:56 what kind of gas station crack are smash players consuming?
"Please add more shitty characters that don't produce results even when time is invested into them"
Do they want people to play their game?
I think maister wants the arctic monkeys to be added
bro, i swear i heard that the smash series was over by the man himself
I would love to play Smash run online! It was so fun on the 3Ds!
I’d be very surprised if Persona got another rep. Shin Megami Tensei may get a rep though I doubt it, especially now that Metaphor was an instant classic and will probably get more games.
Due to limited slots, they could put Tails and Knuckles in Sonic’s reworked kit, and add Dr. Eggman and Shadow as playables.
i think for nexyt smash they just expand on ultimate rather then making a whole new game from the ground up, because then they can keep all the characters
Sonix really tryna balance smash 6 by making it less balanced 💀 bro you missed the point
As another user said: Monkey paw sonic characters to being G Tier
7:51 No hate on Sonix but that must be the worst take I’ve heard ever. Man like a fighter game who seeks to be good seeks to make the game balanced. How can you say that you need to put bad characters on the game and that the Tiers need to have a bigger gap, it is literally what makes smash ultimate the best game among the others smash titles and one of the best fighting games ever. Don’t know if he was rage baiting or just trolling but wtf I can’t understand that take.
Can you guys pump the volume up a bit on these videos pls. Love them, but I find they are kinda quiet
It kinda feels like maybe nintendo will not focus on smash, at least not in the start. It really felt like sakurai, seemed like smash ultimate was like getting everything done thag he wanted. Idk i don't think we will see smash 6 at least in the near future. What could be wild, and would move in the direction other nintendo games have gone in is to, is to make mødes with more players in it. For mario party, they added like a kinda battle Royale, as a mode, and honestly that would be dope. Like imagine large ass stages, where you move around, like the stages from smash run from the 3ds or like stages like the one in subspace emmasary, where you move around. But know you can move around and beat up other people, and maybe get upgrades and what not, while running into other players. And then either the time runs out, and you all brawl I the end with your upgrades, or like the last 8 brawls it out, or the map just gets smaller untill you fight eachother, and 1 is left standing. That could be really fun
Smt 5 protag would go crazy
I want paper mario so bad. Make him a mr game and watch echo fighter with inkling ink mechanic :) that would be so funny
If we can not have Doc.
For sure the only thing “patch wise” that should be fixed is bugs. Nerfing Steve would be fine/great but other than that I think it’s a good thing Smash doesn’t change.
Also, actually, if they were to patch lower tiered characters would be nice. I need my Villager love 🙏🏽 Raito made him “too balanced” 😭
I think it would be good for the game to improve some of these characters but not all. For example, like Sonic said, the heavies shouldn’t be, mainly because they’re in a RELATIVELY perfect spot in the meta.
Nerf Steve, don't do anything else until bottom 5-10 buff them
Marth needs buffs pleeeaaassee
I'm pretty sure it'll be Ultimate Deluxe adding 40 new characters, making it the largest roster in gaming history. Change the story mode and templates.
I want Black Mage from Fire Emblem
If they keep Steve they need to limit the amount of blocks he can place per game cuz think about it, in Minecraft the blocks disappear after you mine them. Technically the stage he’s hitting should run out of materials. They need to balance a mechanic that broken. Making platforms in a platform fighter is kinda busted. Also, split up ganon into ganon and ganon final form like they do with Zelda and link
Crazy nobody mentioned shield dropping
For mechanics, I would love to be able to save custom arenas from other players, some of them are stupidly funny. It would also be great if they heavily decrease the value of a move if you repeat it often. It already happens, I know, but it barely makes any difference. I've fought players who are top at a certain move and they seemed like mind readers, but it makes for an unsporty boring fight. Encouraging players to be more varied with their moveset would make more reasonable fights. Its rare but it still happens.
nobody mentioning rollback netcode added to new smash is crazy
Knuckles, tails, shadow, maybe Amy (but not needed), waluigi and Leon are characters that should get added.
Make the stage builder better like a pro mode that allows crazy customization.
Im not gonna lie it would be insane to see a true to heart grappler character. Someone like zangief or king would literally be the most unique character ever
Dk vs zangief would be karma for dk
Bro of course the dlc, sonic, and GnW Mains say "just add more characters" like their characters aren't a problem with the game; great vid tho