I think some thing they might be missing is the people who do smash as a job and people who do it for fun. If smash is your job you can spend 100% of your free time with your gf. If smash is in your free time suddenly having a gf cuts your time spent in half or even more
I think it depends on the person that got into the relationship. For example there are people that goes to the gym and as soon as thry find a couple, they leave the gym and no longer excercise, same applies here, they are grinding and getting better, finally get a girlfriend and can't handle both things because most likely, they never had a relationship before and so they quit playing or they don't feel the fire anymore, because they feel "full".
this all started because leo's results started to go down as soon as he got a gf even though they are not related at all it was mostly because of his character crisis lol
I think a lot of the reason for people putting Yoshi in top 15 recently is because Japan. Not just Yoshidora, but also Ron, Fui, and now even Mark. Pharaoh is the only NA Yoshi I see doing much, but the Japanese Yoshis putting in work.
i'll listen to Marss on banning steve, because at Supernova he had to play 3 steves. Miya's, Onin's, and then Acola's. And it's not just whining, cause he beat both Miya and Onin - and went game 5 with Acola.
Th only thing stopping dr. Mario from being viable is his lack of ground speed and awful air drift. Bump those two things up just a little bit and he immediately becomes a decent character. His kit is kinda broken on its own and his recovery is really only bad because his air drift is bad. It's still wouldnt be a good recovery but it wouldn't be bad
"I would argue that 100% of the roster is viable depending on what your goal is" is pretty redundant. If your goal is to play the video game, every character in every smash game is viable.
Ultimate wasn’t necessarily “better” pre pass 2. The game’s meta just wasn’t as optimized. It would still be just as cancerous, except it would just be all Sonic, Rob, and G&W at the top. People would still be crying and whining regardless
@@lasagnahog7695 its not that best Characters are always hated, look at Meele Fox. Its just dumb unfair Gimmiks that ruin everything. Meta Knight Aerials, Glide and Tornado Bayo 1touch death and counter Steve Blocks Fox is pure Team fundamentals and is only as good as the player
Honestly i feel like most people dont know how to play plant right. I think of him like a trapper, like snake. Id say on really good days i can win 2/3rds of the time on top tiers including Steve. This is my personal experience so would love opinions.
That's because matchups (and by extension character viability) don't matter nearly as much before high/top level play, since there will usually be a big enough skill gap between the players where that's the determining factor. Once you do get to high level play though, you start to feel the bad matchups a lot more
my hot take is that if mewtwo had a couple more buffs, he would have been a high tier because I believe he would have a winning matchup against steve oh and shiek sucks
I'm the king of hot takes so I'm going to spit 3 of them. 1. Lucina is a mid tier character at best. She was hard carried by the early meta not relying on touch of death characters, but nowadays her nonexistent X factor is killing her viability. 2. Aegis and Corrin are interchangeable on the tier lists. As in, if you think Corrin is better, Aegis is literally right behind her and vice versa. Both characters are just dumb and their strengths far outweigh their weaknesses. I don't think one is significantly better than the other at all. I'm a Corrin fanatic so I will place her above Aegis on a custom tier list but like... Aegis is right there anyway lol 3. Phoenix Wright should be in Smash gosh dang it!
Sonic isn't top 2 imo but Aegis is NOT better than Sonic lmao Disagree w/Bayo becoming top 10 and Min Min being out of top 20 solo but I can see reasons for either. Piranha Plant is okay. Not as bad as I think people make him, but not anything good. (Btw, Plant mains, please stop down b-ing in the poison cloud, you do it EVERY TIME) Pre-Fighter Pass 2 is potentially more balanced? Honestly idk patches made a big difference despite new characters' release. (Also from a casual opinion this is just wrong) Shake on Joker being top 5 easy with down gun unnerfed? I think Rister is correct, not a lot of Yoshis in NA so the opinions of Yoshi are much lower. Arguable. Game is most CERTAINLY balanced (at least relative to the rest of the series), but Steve being banned is arguable. Pfft, as if Smashers could pull. (Also not correct) Mega Man is not top 15. The goat has not been top 20 in either iteration of Smash he's been unfortunately.
Dont show these guys Larry Lurr's top ten characters XD no spoilers but he thinks a lot higher of certain characters XD In all seriousness, this was an amazing video All four of these guys have varying enough personalities that it made it worth listening to all of their opinions This is pretty cool
My hot take is that character placement hot takes are really boring and if you think a character is top X, go out and prove it. Do well at tournaments. No one is going to believe you until you starting showing it
hot take: K rool is not bottom 3, I think he is should be higher than DDD, Doc, and Plant (maybe Mii Sword, Kirby, and the Belmonts?). Belly armor is decently useful, realistically only breaks if you spam it, and can be used to tank through disjoints. K rool lives forever and benefits a ton from rage. His recovery is linear and has little mixups besides up air, but goes incredibly far vertically. Pretty good grabs, good tilts (minus down tilt), hard hitting aerials. Crownerang forces opponents to shield in neutral and can set up kill confirms. Blunderbuss is gimmicky but not too bad overall, and his counter reflects and has one of the highest attack multipliers, but is hard to activate. The only thing K rool is missing is a good combo game and a bad disadvantage state at lower to mid percents (although his disadvantage is better than most heavys due to his recovery and belly armor).
1. plant is even or +0.5 against steve 2. peach/daisy is top 5 3. marth is high tier 4. roy is the best swordie 5. sora has not reached full character top play yet
1. Please explain 2. Mkleo would probably agree 3. No way. He is too inconsistent 4. Cloud would like a word 5. Probably true but I think his main issues are his matchups not lack of knowledge. Even his best players put him away.
@ for 1, plant's down b with armor is a quick way to get damage, and poison gas makes sure steve doesn't mine all the time so steve has to approach for 3, whenever i play marth and lucina, i've noticed i get much earlier kills with marth compared to lucina, then again, i use marth as a practice character for spacing for 4, cloud is my close 2nd
@ 1) Plant's down b afaik can't break through blocks, and Steve can use walls to mine past. Steve has better burst range, combo potential, recovery, edgeguarding/gimping, tech, easier to play, kill confirms, etc. 2) I guess arguable but I don't think it's true just due to the technical ability required to main Peach/Daisy. 3) I could see this. Won't buy it yet, but I do think Marth has untapped potential because everybody plays Lucina and a good player hasn't picked him up yet. 4) Pythra > Cloud >= Roy imo 5) Possible
Rister Mice has a nice energy but his opinions are pretty bad here imo, interesting how he disagreed a lot with the actual top players. It provides a perspective in the video that's at least opposing the more qualified takes
Not trynna be a hater but most people here will not care to hear ristermice’s opinion. He’s a good content creator but his words about the game itself don’t hold a lot of weight compared to all the top players that are in the video.
RISTERMICE YOOOOOO LET'S GOOOOOOOO Anyway I have a lot of hot takes about this game but in terms of some the takes in this video: No, Aegis is absolutely not top 2. Sonic is pretty clear 2nd IMO. I'll go one further with the Bayo take, i think she's top 10 RIGHT NOW. I don't think its a matter of when, she's top 10 right now. When it comes to top 20/15 takes, theres like 25 characters you could argue top 10 and I don't think any of them are that hot. (Min min def top 20 though) Ultimate is the most balanced smash game and honestly I don't even think its close. I'd list my own hot takes but I've said a lot already lol
Sonic is definitely TOP 2. Has 4 players in TOP 50, only rivaled by Steve. But unlike Steve players, Sonic players don't even have secondaries, which shows how good the character is that 4 highly skilled people think they don't need to to counterpick anything, while Steve does. Steve still ofc TOP 1 tho.
I agree that Plant is good, but not relative to the cast. Every character except Mac and Ganon is good, but just not in comparison to the rest of the cast
(Everyone disagreeing on the girlfriend take and providing valid arguments)
Marss: Facts
i cant 🤣
props to the editor as well for making that legendary sequence
I think some thing they might be missing is the people who do smash as a job and people who do it for fun. If smash is your job you can spend 100% of your free time with your gf. If smash is in your free time suddenly having a gf cuts your time spent in half or even more
And so tweek and Sonix aren’t gonna be affected. A guy who goes to two tournaments a week after work will definitely be affected
Sonix was spittin' the whole time. He seemed so chill here lol
I wish Sparg0 would do a solo plant run and make Top 8 winners side
That would be my wish before Smash 6 comes
Maybe in a B Tier tournament. But Above that he really needs Cloud.
How do you know that Smash 6 will even exist
@@Hags_95it's either that or Ultimate Deluxe, which will hopefully get balance patches
@@Hags_95Smash will always exist.
@@Hags_95 By looking at the sales data of smash games lol.
I love how everyone was mad at the girlfriend take and marss is just like "nah thats facts" lmao
Why does nobody realize it was a jooooooke
I love these hot take videos. I'd really likevif you make a video about MkLeo and Marss discussing if ZSS actually sucks
9:23 such a terrible hot take when you realize at least 3 of the top 10 this ranking have a special someone
I think it depends on the person that got into the relationship.
For example there are people that goes to the gym and as soon as thry find a couple, they leave the gym and no longer excercise, same applies here, they are grinding and getting better, finally get a girlfriend and can't handle both things because most likely, they never had a relationship before and so they quit playing or they don't feel the fire anymore, because they feel "full".
It's just standard incel slop present in any gaming community.
Nah bro, leo lost his spot as soon as he got a gf facts
@@bolof1 he’s top 8 now so..
this all started because leo's results started to go down as soon as he got a gf even though they are not related at all it was mostly because of his character crisis lol
Marss a real one for using VLC
Marss only thinks Aegis is better than Sonic because that MU is unwinnable for ZSS lol
I think a lot of the reason for people putting Yoshi in top 15 recently is because Japan. Not just Yoshidora, but also Ron, Fui, and now even Mark. Pharaoh is the only NA Yoshi I see doing much, but the Japanese Yoshis putting in work.
i'll listen to Marss on banning steve, because at Supernova he had to play 3 steves. Miya's, Onin's, and then Acola's. And it's not just whining, cause he beat both Miya and Onin - and went game 5 with Acola.
11:27 my goat just like me fr
9:45 Yup that is indeed a red flag mindset to have. And I love RisterMice's take on this.
Obvious shitpost and Marss is the only person who even got it
@@slam6802 true
Rister is literally the "blud thinks hes part of the team" meme
i mean he is apart of the team, they are sponsoring him sooo
nah he was good in this vid. It's nice to have the smash nerd's takes next to the pro's takes to see where they're different
Blud is part of the team he is on lg
10:52 Tweek spitting
Hey, Everyone! I hope you enjoyed seeing me take part in this long form video. I hope y'all enjoy, it was a pleasure to record.
@@RisterMice you are my GOAT
Yeah, bro. I love your content. Happy to see you with the crew dropping gems 🙏🏽
Maybe You could make a moderator for the pro players...some of them had real bad takes *Cough* Sonix *Cough*
u the goat bro
I agree with aegis top 2 ok atleast top 3
Marss wanting to ban steve, you love to see it. I think 64 is the most balanced though.
Th only thing stopping dr. Mario from being viable is his lack of ground speed and awful air drift. Bump those two things up just a little bit and he immediately becomes a decent character. His kit is kinda broken on its own and his recovery is really only bad because his air drift is bad. It's still wouldnt be a good recovery but it wouldn't be bad
Awesome video ( i havent watched it yet)
Nice comment (I can't read)
Appreciate Rister for saying Leo would agree with the down gun take
My hot take is: building terrain like Steve doesn't have to be op. Look at Kragg in Rivals
Rister being in the video made it an immediate 10/10 vid
@caydenoneal7682 100% agree
Mega man is probably top 10 most annoying character to fight.
0:29 who invited blud 🤔
@@YVL555 You hating?
When the video fire then rister mice start talking 💔
Sonix’s take about Mega Man is the most accurate thing I’ve ever heard 😂😭
"I would argue that 100% of the roster is viable depending on what your goal is" is pretty redundant. If your goal is to play the video game, every character in every smash game is viable.
Having a gf makes you 2x better in smash like it feels like your in an anime
We should go back to when Pichu and Inkling were the best characters in the game.
5:49 pic of Japan's best players
Alright that made me laught:D
pt has a great machup in to steve
Ultimate wasn’t necessarily “better” pre pass 2. The game’s meta just wasn’t as optimized. It would still be just as cancerous, except it would just be all Sonic, Rob, and G&W at the top. People would still be crying and whining regardless
Yeah, there will always be a best character and they will always be broadly hated.
@@lasagnahog7695 its not that best Characters are always hated, look at Meele Fox.
Its just dumb unfair Gimmiks that ruin everything.
Meta Knight Aerials, Glide and Tornado
Bayo 1touch death and counter
Steve Blocks
Fox is pure Team fundamentals and is only as good as the player
I love how they took the girlfriend take so seriously
Ah yes, my favorite, the "I THINK..." series from Luminosity
Leo i think would also agree down gun should be banned. Hes not really a down player of his character like alot of ppl
Why is the die ive never seen before so much louder
What did he mean by that 10:09
My top characters r
Steve
Bayo
Peach
Kazuya
Sora
Then top tier (real characters)
Rob
Yoshi
Sonic
Samus
G&w
Wolf
Joker
Ness
Roy (pending)
Are these the same random people from the last guess your mains video?
Hot take: Terry is just as broken as FP2 except Steve
Eh. He's not even strictly better than Ryu and Ken from the base roster.
Say what you want about the Piranha Plant guy, but he DEFINITELY understood the assignment!
My hot take is that Steve is good for the game
I'm serious, though it probably isn't from a competitor's pov
Mars: “nah that’s facts” XD
Honestly i feel like most people dont know how to play plant right. I think of him like a trapper, like snake. Id say on really good days i can win 2/3rds of the time on top tiers including Steve. This is my personal experience so would love opinions.
That's because matchups (and by extension character viability) don't matter nearly as much before high/top level play, since there will usually be a big enough skill gap between the players where that's the determining factor. Once you do get to high level play though, you start to feel the bad matchups a lot more
I may be biased here, but i think isabelle could be mid tier. She's only kinda trash, not complete trash
the first take is already hot as the sun
I think samus is top ten and it is not talked about nearly enough
All my homies like rister mice
why is ristermice here lmaooo
my hot take is that if mewtwo had a couple more buffs, he would have been a high tier because I believe he would have a winning matchup against steve
oh and shiek sucks
Where is KC's local where I can fight Deathspade? KingCade at Oak Park mall?
cant belive Im agreeing with RisterMice but here we are
MegaMan certainly isn’t top 15, but he definitely doesn’t suck!
My hot take is that Mii Swordfighter is low mid tier
oh also Lucas is high tier (even without theory combos/tech)
I'm the king of hot takes so I'm going to spit 3 of them.
1. Lucina is a mid tier character at best. She was hard carried by the early meta not relying on touch of death characters, but nowadays her nonexistent X factor is killing her viability.
2. Aegis and Corrin are interchangeable on the tier lists. As in, if you think Corrin is better, Aegis is literally right behind her and vice versa. Both characters are just dumb and their strengths far outweigh their weaknesses. I don't think one is significantly better than the other at all. I'm a Corrin fanatic so I will place her above Aegis on a custom tier list but like... Aegis is right there anyway lol
3. Phoenix Wright should be in Smash gosh dang it!
Gnw is not top 5
Sonic isn't top 2 imo but Aegis is NOT better than Sonic lmao
Disagree w/Bayo becoming top 10 and Min Min being out of top 20 solo but I can see reasons for either.
Piranha Plant is okay. Not as bad as I think people make him, but not anything good. (Btw, Plant mains, please stop down b-ing in the poison cloud, you do it EVERY TIME)
Pre-Fighter Pass 2 is potentially more balanced? Honestly idk patches made a big difference despite new characters' release. (Also from a casual opinion this is just wrong)
Shake on Joker being top 5 easy with down gun unnerfed?
I think Rister is correct, not a lot of Yoshis in NA so the opinions of Yoshi are much lower. Arguable.
Game is most CERTAINLY balanced (at least relative to the rest of the series), but Steve being banned is arguable.
Pfft, as if Smashers could pull. (Also not correct)
Mega Man is not top 15. The goat has not been top 20 in either iteration of Smash he's been unfortunately.
who do you put top 2 over sonic?
@@D4rkVIolet Rob or Game and Watch potentially
@@aab1254 you're insane
@ Perhaps.
Dont show these guys Larry Lurr's top ten characters XD no spoilers but he thinks a lot higher of certain characters XD
In all seriousness, this was an amazing video
All four of these guys have varying enough personalities that it made it worth listening to all of their opinions
This is pretty cool
Surprised no one talks about Icies.
Ken is probably the best fgc character, and I think he's going to do better soon.
Just forget about Kazuya, hes not real
My hot take is that character placement hot takes are really boring and if you think a character is top X, go out and prove it. Do well at tournaments. No one is going to believe you until you starting showing it
I was about to comment how exited I was to see RisterMice in one of these vids, but these words have already been said
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5:55 HES RIGHT
8:11 no smash 64 was def not the most balanced bro 😭
hot take: K rool is not bottom 3, I think he is should be higher than DDD, Doc, and Plant (maybe Mii Sword, Kirby, and the Belmonts?). Belly armor is decently useful, realistically only breaks if you spam it, and can be used to tank through disjoints. K rool lives forever and benefits a ton from rage. His recovery is linear and has little mixups besides up air, but goes incredibly far vertically. Pretty good grabs, good tilts (minus down tilt), hard hitting aerials. Crownerang forces opponents to shield in neutral and can set up kill confirms. Blunderbuss is gimmicky but not too bad overall, and his counter reflects and has one of the highest attack multipliers, but is hard to activate. The only thing K rool is missing is a good combo game and a bad disadvantage state at lower to mid percents (although his disadvantage is better than most heavys due to his recovery and belly armor).
Hot take.. some top players have bad opinions
why do we have multiple top players giving their meta analysis and then rister mice is just there
Hot take, Mii Swordfighter is C tier.
hot take, he only has the second or third worst killing in the game
Agree with Rister about Bayo. At this point, anyone saying her bad MUs are getting into skill issue territory
Idk I think he might be biased cause he plays Min Min, which is kind of ass into bayo lol
Yoshi is top 15
This is probably your most panda video yet, and I’m down
Yo my boy rister mice is here, the goat
I think pacman is beta steve
Except he's actually a pretty balanced character.
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10:08 💀💀💀
Kazuya is the worst shoto
RISTER MICEEEE
1. plant is even or +0.5 against steve
2. peach/daisy is top 5
3. marth is high tier
4. roy is the best swordie
5. sora has not reached full character top play yet
Oh hell nah
1. Please explain
2. Mkleo would probably agree
3. No way. He is too inconsistent
4. Cloud would like a word
5. Probably true but I think his main issues are his matchups not lack of knowledge. Even his best players put him away.
@
for 1, plant's down b with armor is a quick way to get damage, and poison gas makes sure steve doesn't mine all the time so steve has to approach
for 3, whenever i play marth and lucina, i've noticed i get much earlier kills with marth compared to lucina, then again, i use marth as a practice character for spacing
for 4, cloud is my close 2nd
@ 1) Plant's down b afaik can't break through blocks, and Steve can use walls to mine past. Steve has better burst range, combo potential, recovery, edgeguarding/gimping, tech, easier to play, kill confirms, etc.
2) I guess arguable but I don't think it's true just due to the technical ability required to main Peach/Daisy.
3) I could see this. Won't buy it yet, but I do think Marth has untapped potential because everybody plays Lucina and a good player hasn't picked him up yet.
4) Pythra > Cloud >= Roy imo
5) Possible
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I missed it where were the hot takes?!
Gavin or tweek really like quaxly
Rister Mice has a nice energy but his opinions are pretty bad here imo, interesting how he disagreed a lot with the actual top players. It provides a perspective in the video that's at least opposing the more qualified takes
megaman is really good though…
Like seeing ristermice in this kinda video
Aegis top 2 for real
Facts
Would like to see Rister in more videos
Not trynna be a hater but most people here will not care to hear ristermice’s opinion. He’s a good content creator but his words about the game itself don’t hold a lot of weight compared to all the top players that are in the video.
plant is good, my propaganda will be pushed
Aegis isnt top 5 imo
WE LOVE RISTER!!!!!!!!!!!
Love seeing Rister on here with the other more popular luminosity boys
Marss is the goat
RISTERMICE YOOOOOO LET'S GOOOOOOOO
Anyway I have a lot of hot takes about this game but in terms of some the takes in this video:
No, Aegis is absolutely not top 2. Sonic is pretty clear 2nd IMO.
I'll go one further with the Bayo take, i think she's top 10 RIGHT NOW. I don't think its a matter of when, she's top 10 right now.
When it comes to top 20/15 takes, theres like 25 characters you could argue top 10 and I don't think any of them are that hot. (Min min def top 20 though)
Ultimate is the most balanced smash game and honestly I don't even think its close.
I'd list my own hot takes but I've said a lot already lol
I’m curious about your takes.
@@Salone_FDdepends on what kind of hot takes you want to hear but here's my personal favorite hot take:
Palu is top 5
half of these are not hot takes
Sonic is definitely TOP 2. Has 4 players in TOP 50, only rivaled by Steve. But unlike Steve players, Sonic players don't even have secondaries, which shows how good the character is that 4 highly skilled people think they don't need to to counterpick anything, while Steve does. Steve still ofc TOP 1 tho.
I agree that Plant is good, but not relative to the cast. Every character except Mac and Ganon is good, but just not in comparison to the rest of the cast
Personal hot take: at top level play Luigi and ices are top 10
Where are all the icies then?
My hot take is cloud is top 10 and is the best sword character
Roy? Aegis?