The TRUE Origin of Mad-Eye’s Eye | Harry Potter Film Theory
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- Опубліковано 16 кві 2024
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Today Ben dives into the Wizarding World of Harry Potter to find out where Mad-Eye Moody’s Eye came from, who created, why he needed it and WHY it can see through Harry’s invisibility cloak!?
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Guys all three trials take place after vodimorts downfall. Karkarof says snaps name as a death eater and albus, says that sanp ture side before the downfall of moldy voldi.
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Your missing one additional fact. Dumbledore would have the cloak at the time the eye was made. Dumbledore said he wanted to study it. The eye could have been made as part of the studying process to see what it would take to see through it. So the eye could have been made before Moody needed it.
Also, also Dumbledore knew James as a kid. So the eye could have been made even earlier. But it makes more sense it was done when Dumbledore was studying the cloak.
I had the same thought.
Not enough people mention the implications of a Death Eater having the eye for a whole year. That could have been so much more impactful than it was.
I wonder if they didn't understand its power until they were already committed to the plan and turning back would have set off too many alarms.
*2 years. Barty had it, then umbridge. Who I don't think was technically a death eater, but I mean 🤷
@@ryanbrayton8441no umbridge got it in book 7, after moody died
@@Korokwithabigbackpack it may not have been 2 consecutive years, but still pretty much 2 years overall.
@@TZGKIV Umbridge didn't have it a full year; maybe three or four months.
So now we need a What If series concerning Dumbledore’s Hallows. The eye(replaces the stone), the deluminator (replaces the cloak), and Hagrid’s umbrella (replaces the wand). What if Voldemort believed in the hallows and sought them all out, and Harry had to use Dumbledore’s newly created hallows to combat them?
This would be so awesome but I think the eye would replace the cloak and the deluminator would replace the stone. SCB made a video before theorizing that Dumbledore made the deluminator as an attempt to recreate the powers of the stone (i.e. reaching your loved ones) and in this video they talk about the eye’s power to see through the cloak. The three objects are almost like anti-Hollows. The eye penetrates the cloak, the deluminator brings you to your loved ones, but only if they are alive unlike the stone which shows you your dead loved ones but can’t bring you to them, and Hagrid’s umbrella is a humble wand which people are led to believe is not even actually a wand, while the elder wand is famous and believed to be the most powerful wand of all. Anyway, a What If? video about this would be great!
Harry is already the bona fide master of the Cloak, there's no way Tom could get it without first killing Harry and then after that he'd have no reason to pursue the Wand or the Stone.
So it's the plot of Endgame, but with Hallows instead of Infinity Stones? One of the Hallows is literally the Soul Stone, after all.
@edeepolyakovsky7201 I never considered that. That is now my head canon. Thanks!
@@edeepolyakovsky7201yes!!
I completely forgot that Moody got his eye after Voldemort fell. I always thought it was much earlier. Given how cautious Moody is, there's no way he would just use any old magical artifact, especially one of unknown origin to replace his eye. So at the very least he must have gotten it from Dumbledore (who else would he trust?) From that logic, Dumbledore making it isn't a huge leap as he wouldn't give Moody something he didn't 100% trust himself and the only way to do that would be to make it. Somewhat circular logic but it does make sense in context.
Makes sense
I would love a video on how Voldemort cursing the DATDA position contributed to his own downfall!
He really is his own enemy every time isn’t he?
Ahem... DADA
@@gavenmace7779 DAtDA*
I dont think the datda is cursed
@@gavenmace7779 😭same thing
Something I just learned this year, the actor who played Moody in the films (Brendan Gleeson) is the father of the actor who played Bill Weasley (Domhnall Gleeson).
Woah that’s a fun fact!!
Yep!
Oh my gosh!! I did not know that! That’s so cool! The two guys with scarred faces 😂
“Mad Eye’s dead.” Hits differently when you know this fact
@@R160A Yep.
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I can't decide, so I'm going with Jen
@@camwyn256I miss Bonathan Carlin.
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Ok, but...how can Dumbledore see through the cloak with his plain eyes when Death can't see through it? Did he use the elder wand to permanently enhance his own vision? If so, I wonder if the fake eye he gave to Moody was really just the practice go before using the spell on himself.
Ben's explanation to this is that the tale involving Death is just folklore. Meaning the character of "Death" doesn't actually exist.
I believe Dumbledore didn't actually see through the cloak, but rather through intuition deduced that they were there, mostly through how Hagrid was acting
@@camwyn256we see Dumbeldore finding hidden magic. I feel like he didn't see through it either but he could feel the magic around Harry and knew he had the clock. Busted.
@@camwyn256I always assumed he used hominem revelio to realize that Harry & Ron were there
@@mindovermatterbecomingyour1561 same, I always thought he did it non verbally
What puzzles me about the Eye is how many “layers” can it see through? We know it can see through the Cloak. We also know that it can see through clothing (He can see the socks from Dobby under Harry’s dress robes at the Yule Ball). It can also see through the floor/ceiling and furniture (he sees the boggart at Headquarters in Order). Can he (literally) see through people and their clothes? Can he see anywhere in a building? Is there a limit? Does he have to consciously think what he wants to focus on? (That sounds mentally exhausting, overstimulating, and taxing.) is this mentioned anywhere? What do y’all think?
God that would be a NIGHTMARE. Also... I don't like the implications of seeing through people's clothes considering this is a school... for children...
I interpret this as the Eye can see everything, but to look past the regular vision its owner must focus on the object and wish to unveil the layers.
@@randomwriter9570 clothes. And walls. We already have Myrtle peeping on him in the bath.
@@KrivitskyMas in, “I specifically want to see your socks?”
@@hufflepom "I see your cloak. Wonder what's under there. Lemme concentrate... What unique socks you have!"
I am not sold on the idea that the eye was made by Dumbledore, thou he might have helped enchanting it.
However I feel like the biggest misconception is with the, "ability to Invisibility Cloaks". I don't think the eye can see beneath an invisibility cloak, it can simply see a protection spell in effect. And that may have something to do with the color blue, and how that arbsorbs light from sources.
It’s confirmed the eye can see through Harry’s cloak, because in the same scene where he sees Harry under it, he sees Harry mouthing and pointing at the Marauders Map telling Moody that it belongs to him, so Snape won’t take it.
Something that’s always bothered me a little is how Barry Crouch Jr is so adamant that he hated death eaters who went free, effectively denouncing their allegiance with Voldy, yet, during his hearing he displays determined denial of his own guilt.
Belatrix, on the other hand, continues her bold support of Voldemort in the face of conviction.
It just seems as though it’s a bit against character, given how he is later revealed to be.
The delaminator was most likely borrowed to be able to put the lights out without casting spells, as Harry was going to be on trial for underage magic, which is also why they rode brooms to 12 grimould place. Although as you’ve pointed out before, seems ridiculous because of all of the magic that Tonks does when picking him up.
we all wish we had that eye
Teachers have them
This is a really creepy thing to say..
@@kinggl0ver9 For normal purposes
I wish i could replace my blind eye with it
@@kinggl0ver9 That depends on your thoughts, so maybe you said more about yourself than about all of us here xD
This video genuinely makes me feel a lot better about Moody's eye seeing through the Invisibility Cloak. Great job!
9:14 shows the photo of the Longbottoms with Moody behind them already having his namesake eye. Maybe just a film decision vs book
One of many secrets we may or may not know from Harry Potter.
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I like this much more than the „it came from Grindelwald“ thing that sometimes comes up and just relies on Grindy having one normal, but strikingly blue eye.
What adds to this theory is that when Dumbledore would have supposedly created the eye, he would also have possessed the cloak so he could have tested the eye thoroughly to make sure it pierces cloaks.
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I've always thought the eye was created by the Peverells around the time they created the other objects. But this is an interesting theory.
I'm sure they also used to argue this! I remember this being a theory of theirs
Also the deluminator being used to help Ron find his way back after Hermione speaks his name is somewhat similar to the taboo on Voldemorts name. I believe the difference is it seems to mainly be with a loved one when it comes to the deluminator.
I literally just watched another video on this topic by a different UA-camr, but I LOVE getting everyone’s perspective 😊
Was it a channel other than "Harry Potter Theory" or "Harry Potter Lore"?
I'd love to see a fresh, to me, perspective
@@camwyn256 it was one of those, can’t quite remember which haha! However… this video didn’t say that the eye was The Eye of Odin, so yeah this was definitely a nice different turn.
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HEYY BROTHERRR!!! ❤️💙 I have a question that I thought you guys could ponder. If Harry was presented with a QILIN from Fantastic Beasts, would it bow to him because he has got a part of VOLDEMORTS SOUL in him as well??? Or is Harry too pure???
Not trying to say I’m anywhere near as good at answering this stuff as the carlin bros are, not even close, but in my opinion it definitely 100,000% would’ve bowed for Harry. It bowed for Dumbledore and Harry is a thousand times more pure than him. Honestly i think the one thing that makes Harry special is his purity and that’s saying something because there’s a lot that makes him special.
I have a theory that Dumbledore's half-moon glasses showed him more than improved vision. I think they were a magical object that revealed possible futures.
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I´ve been waiting for this one ever since you mentioned it in I think through the Griffin door. So curious to find out what your theories are!
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I think the cloak and the eye are ancient magic, that’s how dumbledore could see the cloak, or know it was there, he can sense ancient magic, like he did in the cave
I think it's much simpler than that. Dumbledore didn't see through the cloak. He simply deduced they were hiding there under it because of how Hagrid was acting. Especially with Hagrid just saying out loud, to no one in particular, "follow the spiders"
@@camwyn256 he didn’t see them, he sensed the ancient magic, and knew the cloak was ancient magic
@@camwyn256 plus how would he know where to look even if he did just deduce it
This tracks like the player's ability in Legend of Hogwarts. Not a bad take.
@blueberrycranberrycherry because Hagrid knew where they were and kept glancing there. Dumbledore saw where Hagrid kept looking and that's how he knew where they were
i was NOT aware of the podcast but i am REALLY happy tpo know now. i follow another youtuber who does the game of thrones series, id also love to hear your take on that too if u ever cover it although i can understand why if u dont. but yeah i will definitely be watching those videos.
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I was wondering this just a day or 2 ago, I have just started the video so before I watch it I'm guessing it was Dumbledore using the Elder Wand to make the eye and that's what gives it the power to even pass the power of Harry's Invisibility Cloak despite it being a Deathly Hallow.
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It is likely the eye sends out constant variations of the revelio charm. This would also be a great explanation as to why it can see through the cloak. Recall in chamber of secrets Dumbledore is able to use homenium revelio to reveal Harry beneath the cloak
This was a good one!
I did not in fact know about this podcast and now know what I will be listening to tonight while I prep my store for our inventory audit tomorrow.
In Chamber of Secrets I assumed Dumbledore knew where Harry and Ron were in the hut due to him being a skilled Legilimens and just being able to read their minds
Love your breakdowns, always so entertaining. Right or wrong, I have to agree this take of Mad Eye Moody’s eye makes sense to me
That is a really good theory. Nicely done fellas
What an exciting theory. I subscribe it makes a lot of sense
What if Harry wasn't the true master of the cloak?
If you think about it, the cloak stayed in the bloodline because it was handed down through the generations. However, James was killed while he lent the cloak to Dumbledore. What if the cloak's loyalty could be won like the elder wand? In that case, Harry was never fully concealed by its protection.
Love this video
My head canon as to how the eye was made was the youngest brothers descendants made it at one point. Or by the youngest brother himself.
Imagine your son having taken the cloak one day, and you can't find your kids, because they are perfectly invisible, so you invent an eye to see even those hidden by your ancestors cloak.
This theory about Dumbledore creating the eye with the Elder Wand has been my personal theory for so long. I've actually commented about it on some of your videos. I'm super happy you've created a video about this theory because it makes so much sense :D
A very Good Video 👌🏻👍🏻
Whilst it is possible and maybe even probable Dumbledore made they eye, I have a few issues with the theory (theories I guess).
1. Do we know the Elder Wand really could repair wands? We only see it in this one specific case where Harry is the owner of both wands, so we can't really say whether it can repair others. I always wondered what happened to Dumbledore's original wand and whether he just magicked that into an umbrella for Hagrid? It doesn't really matter either way, as if the EW could repair wands, Dumbledore would have done.
2. I don't think Dumbledore could see Harry under the coat at Hagrid's, I think he just used intuition. Hagrid was being rather obvious by looking at that corner and being all jittery. To anyone who knew Harry possessed the cloak, it would have been clear he was there. That or he just saw him walk there earlier from his office window or used non-verbal magic.
That's sorta it, I do believe Dumblie created the eye, but the biggest question that remains: WHAT DOESE THE BOGGART LOOK LIKE TO MOODY (when he sees it through several floors)?! Sorry for shouting, but I've been asking myself that for years. Is it a shapeless mass or something he fears? Also that whole seeing through clothes thing is mega creepy considering he's at a school... How does it work? Does he have to focus on it to look through it? It seems a little head-fornicating otherwise.
I love this!
As a huge fan of Mad-Eye Moody, I really enjoyed this video.
wsg i aint seen YOU in time
Chamber of THE Secrets? Lol love you guys
Good theory!
Love this theory! My headcannon has always been that he received the eye before he lost his own. Then he purposely disfigured himself to gain the power of the eye.
This also makes Moody something of a parallel to Wormtail
Good idea
23:21 In possession of the elder wand and the invisibility cloak at the time, if I'm not mistaken? It only makes since to test the eye against the most powerful invisibility cloak ever to make sure it is the best of the best
Nailed it 🪄🧙🦅
Hey there! I was wondering if I could make a suggestion. It would be amazing if you could create a video of Harry accepting Lupin's offer in the Deathly Hallows. I'm sure many fans, including myself, would love to see that iconic moment come to life. Thank you so much for considering it!
i think i remember you guys having a theory about this eye at some time. the scenario that moody got it from dumbledore was similar but the origin of the eye was different. the theory was that it was grindelwalds eye which dumbledore took after his victory. i always likes that theory and forgot it wasnt canon haha this new theory is also nice thought
a new theory about an artifact in Harry Potter
- is this connected to the Peverell family ?
- it's connected to the Peverell family !
Hey! Love your Videos and particulary your theories! I had a question: Could it be possible that Voldemort also had a time turner in school? He is Always described as being a fantastic Student and even without muggle studies, he would have had 11 subjects (Hermione still had one after she quid Trelawnys class)
And I think it could be argued that He had all Others considering that you would need a lot of subjects to be viewed as one of the best students Hogwarts ever had and be ready for a great future in the ministery.
Edit: Especially in year 5 he could have used the extra time to search for the chamber of secrets and of course to keep a close eye in Hagrid (although maybe He entrusted his followers with the latter).
Can we do a J vs Ben which is buzz in style - so quizmaster plays a clip from the audiobook and whoever can buzz in the fastest to say what book it is from and the context gets a point! I listen to Stephen Fry, and the brothers listen to Jim Dale so mixing up the narrators would also add some spice to the quiz
i very much like this theory, i've always been a bit "meh" on you guys' idea that it was somehow grindewald's blue eye, just didn't seem to fit or make all that much sense, but i have no trouble accepting that dumbledore with the elder wand could make something on par in ability with a deathly hallow, really nicely put together this one!
I don't know if my 2 comments a few weeks ago had any impact on this video or theory regarding the comments on Dumbeldore's eye color and the possibilitiy that Dumbeldore both made the eye and had one of his own, but it is my head canon that someone saw the comments and worked off of them❤️ Great vide! Looking forward to your next podcast episodes. I love the longer ones where you guys go on tangents and talk about random things.
I love your theories, they are always so good and even after 20+ years make me reread and think about things in the books.
Have you ever consdered, doing a theory on Harry s soul part and how it affects his feelings towards people?
The abilities (like being more resilient against the Imperio) it might help him achieve?
I had a discussion specifically about Harry being able to resist "Moody s" Imperio and the little voice coming up in his head for it.
is it Harry s subconsiousness or is it Voldemort, who does not want to be controlled?
Also...
Could the part of Voldemorts soul be the reason Harry has this HUGE dilke towards Snape (in the books) - because up until Goblet the soul piece might think Snape a traitor?
The sould pievce is sort of my "look up point" for my current reread.
I LOVE THIS THEORY
I'm here!
I really liked your previous theory that the eye was the one that belonged to the Three Fates, the all-seeing sisters who shared one eye. Now that you've connected it so convincingly to Dumbledore, I'm conflicted!
Since Barty Jr had both eyes, maybe Mad Eye didn't need to be without one. It looks like a monocle. It could have been used similar to his "Foe glass" or a Sneakoscope.
as the form factor of the films are faster so might be miss remembering it for the film version but when Barty could not take any more potion you hear and see him in pain as i takes it off i would think his normal eye was going back pushing against Moody's eye
i have had a look through the comments and haven't seen anyone mention this.
i do know that the films can be very inaccurate and I have read each book multiple times myself. but just a simple question. the photo that is taken of the order has Moody in it with his eye, as well as having the Longbottoms in the photo unharmed. i think this theory is really well thought through and makes a lot of sense. i also watch almost all of your HP theory videos and love them and the series.
This is great...
The fact I just about teared up when Ben started naming all the marauders plus lily, marlene and dorcas, probably indicates I have a problem.
I actually liked the previous explanation) even though this one is may be a bit more realistic) may be they can coexist in some way🤔
You guys would make a killing if you started doing Game of Thrones theories. Would be fascinating to see you guys dive into that series as well!
Amazing
Ok, I need you guys to break down another passage of the Deluminator.
IIRC, it gives *snippets of conversation* before and after the user's name was said.
Dumbledoor had it in his possession all through the first war and up to DH.
Every time someone says his name.
I'd like to see a video exploring the possibilities :)
this + chocolate frogs card spynet
Good theory, still like the fact that this could be the eye from the Lady Gris theory. Ben was in top form for that one.
Hey Ben, thank you for the awesome video discussing the origins of the magical eye. You mentioned that Dumbledore created the eye, but I wanted to bring up an interesting detail from "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban," Chapter 4, "The Leaky Cauldron."
In this chapter, while Harry is in Flourish and Blotts, the manager laments, "I'm never stocking them again, never! It's been bedlam! I thought we'd seen the worst when we bought two hundred copies of the Invisible Book of Invisibility - cost a fortune, and we never found them." This incident raises a fascinating point: those who created and printed these invisible books must have had the knowledge with magical artifact to be able see them and print them in the first place.
This suggests that the craft of creating magical artifacts capable of seeing invisible objects, such as the clock, books, and other items, was already known, and Dumbledore likely had access to this specialized knowledge through his connections. This reinforces and highlights how rare and protected such knowledge must be in the wizarding world. Just wanted to share this detail with you. Thanks again for the great content!
@SuperCarlinBrothers have you explored the possible connection between the eye, Dumbledore and Odin. I feel Dumbledore and Mad-Eye could both be based on Odin. Wisdom, powerful magic and the eye/missing eye are hallmarks of Odin. Would be an interesting deepdive to find more similarities between the three.
Man I have been wondering that question for like a decade.
Hi! You discussed the eye before as the eye of the Fates.
How do u explain dumbeldore's ability to see through the cloak?
I just realized that both you and sketch say “ Hey brother ☝🏻” that is all lol
I too have always interpreted it that Dumbledore can see Harry under the cloak when he goes to the mirror of Erised for the final time before it is moved.
I dig it.
It's also quite possible that he used what he learned from the cloak to create the eye which is why it can see through it made a perfect test subject
I always thought the diary's magic of making Harry want to keep picking it up, keep feeling like he should connect with it was part of its charm to make someone want to write in it, which Harry inevitably did. While Hermione handles the book for a short while, I honestly think if she or Ron ever had for more than a few moments they would have fallen under the same charm.
Obviously Ginny wrote in it as a diary and got the words back and presto, but I just always imagined it had that kind of compulsion spell in there to work on anyone.
You got me sold on the entire headcannon, as usual with you guys! The only point I'd argue is the vaguely silly idea Dumbledore can see through the cloak without some sort of magic, though he might have enchanted his spectacles with the same spell he used on Mad-Eye's eye?! I always thought Dumbledore just knew those rotten boys were in there out of bounds to see their friend, but now you got me mind blown all over again what Dumbledore couldn't do with that amazing wand!
You guys have done "What If's" on a couple things now. What if Harry was sorted into Slytherin " and "What if James Kept The Invisibility Cloak ". I have a suggestion for a potential good one.
"What If Regulus Black Lived?" That could have some big changes to characters. Like Regulus and Sirius being better and closer. Regulus potentially being a secret spy for Sirius.
Hey SCB, I have a "What If ..." idea; What if Voldemort knew the whole prophecy from the beginning? Like Snape heard the full version, and told it to Voldemort? Knowing that he'd be "marking Harry as his equal" from the start? How might that version of the story turn out
About Dumbledore's X-ray vision, I always thought it was when he was emploing legitimans on Herry
“Hey David, have I got an acting job that’s perfect for you!” “What makes you think it’s perfect for me?” “The character we want you to play owns a box that’s bigger on the inside.”
Since Dumbledore rightly guessed Ron was going to run out on his friends, he enchanted the Deluminator to turn into a modified portkey and willed it to Ron so that he had a way of returning. At least that's what I've always thought.
Getting an ad right before the “Hey Brother!” in the SCB jingle might be the single worst moment of my life
I think the evidence for it is much more sparse, but I liked better the theory that it's Grindelwalds eye that he has. Still perhaps given by Dumbledore, harkening back to their connection. Or even an invention of the two of them during their time together
It would make sense that they both made it together as they were both obsessed w/ the deathly hallows & would need a way to find the cloak
Can we stop calling through the griffin door a “new” podcast? It’s been months and months, and you’re already almost done with book 2 lol
NEVER!!!!
I like this theory for SO many reasons!!
First of all, I've ALWAYS hated the fact that fake Moody could see though Harry's cloak. That should just be IMPOSSIBLE, if we are to believe it to be such a powerful object that can hide you from death itself. But this theory gives credit to the fact that Moody can see through the cloak.
I have always LOVED how Dumbledore knew that they were hiding in the corner of Hagrid's hut, but just thought that "he know just about anything going on at Hogwards" (Yearh, no kidding :) if hes glasses can see through the cloak).
Even though it's not relevant to the eye, the theory also explains how Hagrid's wand-brella works, as we know for a fact that Harry successfully repaired his own wand, using the Elder wand, where all other attempts to repair it has failed. So it totally makes sense that he repaired Hagrids wand and transfigured it into an umbrella to avoid suspicion from others, making it a wand-brella. Also, since Hagrid is such a huge asset to Dumbledore, he can't have that Hagrid does not have a wand, he NEEDS it in order to keep being a great asset.
Side note: I also always loved how you in the first movie, when Harry returns to the mirror, how you can see Dumbledores shadow emerge out of nothing. It gives credit to the theory that Dumbledore himself has tried to replicate ALL of the hallows. The Deluminator was supposed to replicate the Stone of resurrect, but with the opposite effect (taking Dumbledore to see his sister, instead of bringing his sister to the living as the stone does... I think that he actually tried to cross over to the dead, just to see her). But as he'd need HER to say his name for the Deluminatior to work as intended, it never did as she was unable to actually say his name. It's not unreasonable to think that in his search for a way to hide himself (replicate the cloak), he found a way to see through stuff and it's not unlikely that he cast that spell on his own glasses. This also explains WHY he borrowed the cloak from James, so he could study it in order to replicate it. It would have given the Order a HUGE advantage over the Death Eaters! I don't know about the wand, I see many possibilities, one is that he'd already got it from Grindelwald so didn't bother trying to replicate it, another that he's not too keen to invent a killing object, that might possible fall into the hands of a Death Eater IF they were to win over a Phoenix member (He knows it's possible to beat the unbeatable wand after all).
0:00 Who made Moody's eye? Oh please, it was given to the 4th peverol brother by death! He asked to be all seeing, but that just helped him see death comming for him and we went insane. the other brotheres disavowed all relation to him and he was forgotten
There’s no proof at all to this.