What If Fudge Had BELIEVED Harry? | Harry Potter Film Theory
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Today J dives into the Wizarding World of Harry Potter to discover what WOULD have happened if Cornelius Fudge had just believed Harry at the end of Goblet of Fire that Voldemort was back?!
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What if James survived? Maybe he had to talk to The Order or Dumbledore about something or was sick of being cooped up and went out in his stag form, but he comes home to find Lily dead and Harry scarred. How much would things change with James still around?
Or if james had been able to do sacrificial love on harry and lily and lily raised harry.
For one, pettigrew would be immediately blamed and sirius would be innocent. James and harry might be placed under another fidelius charm, perhaps this time with dumbledore or sirius as the secret keeper, so they would be safe. Snape might end up switching sides anyway, as lily was the only one who ended up dead because of voldemort's actions. In the end, it might mean a stronger order, and with james alive and sirius innocent, the marauders would be chief amongst them. Harry might also grow up kinda spoiled, or atleast less humble than with the dursleys. The only thing that is somewhat troubling is that the sacrificial love charm on harry would only work if he lives with the dursleys, not james, since it was his mother's blood. So even with james alive, harry might need to live with the dursleys.
Dumbledore wouldn’t have allowed them to survive, he sacrificed James and Lilly so he could control Harry’s upbringing.
@@animecrazy90that wouldn’t have happened because Voldemort didn’t give him the option to live, whereas he did for lily
@@wsconsnno he didn’t dumbledore literally didnt even know pettigrew was the new secret keeper
"Hate her or Hate her" no better words to describe Umbridge (Massive respect to the actress)
Or Sonia from tears of the kingdom for that matter
She got some hate in real life for the role so she deserved respect
I remember she played one of the fairies in Maleficent. I automatically didn't like her, which went along with how the role was played.
@clonetrooper2003 why do we hate sonia?
@@clonetrooper2003 what did Sonia do?
Harry's forming Dumbledore's Army gave us so much more emotional payoff than just a little rebellion against Umbridge. The description of Luna's bedroom ceiling was one of the most gripping parts of the entire series for me.
Sameee
"Sirius is a very skilled Wizard!" cuts to him sucker punching Lucius the old fashioned way XD
He knows when to use magic and when the old fashioned will work
The great thing about punches - they don't show up on the wand's spell track record... XD
I cast fist
I just had a thought. If Fudge doesn't believe that Peter killed Cedric, why doesn't he ever try to blame Harry for it? I can buy that he would think Harry capable of killing someone else to win the Tournament, especially after an Imperiused Krum tried to do the same to Cedric and Fleur.
If he blamed Harry for it, there would've been a trial on Harry with massive public attention where Harry could've tell in front of the whole public what really happend. And Fudge couldn't have stopped him because it's Harrys right as a defendent to defend himself after all. Fudge didn't believe that Voldemort was back, but more importantly he didn't WANT to believe it and he certainly didn't want the public to doubt his own version.
@@rittersportfanI can easily see Fudge dismissing Harry's story as a lie. From the perspective of someone who doesn't believe that Voldemort is back, it would sound kind of insane.
Also, Priori Incantatem would easily show Harry hadn't casted a SINGLE spell that could've killed Cedric.
I've always wondered how NO ONE suspected Harry.
He does believe it,he just couldn't admit or accept it himself because of fear etc. I guess a bit like someone not wanting to accept that someone close to them is gone.
What if the Weasley Twins were Harry's age instead of Ron? They would be the first people that Harry meets on the train. I see a 'Second Marauders' here.
The twins, Harry, and Nevill.
One problem with having them be Harry's age is that it would reduce how much experience they have. Part of what makes Fred and George fun in the books is that they have had time to learn and master the magic needed for their shenanigans. If they were just entering Hogwarts, they would be mundane tricksters until they could learn enough to start their shenanigans. Having them be older allows them to already have the skill to be magical tricksters in Harry's first year.
Then what age is Ron? Is he in Ginny's year? And I don't know if Molly could survive giving birth to four kids in the span of about a year.
@@coolnerdlll6053maybe just move all the Weasleys ages back a few years? That would help.
@@coolnerdlll6053, I'd say that Ron's age was swapped with the twins. Ron would be a third year in Harry's first year.
Umbridge and good guy are three words that do not go together.
replace guy with girl and you'll be traumatized forever xD
Umbridge is a naughty girl is worse 😂😂
Unless the sentence is "The good guys killed Umbridge".
@@fionarodgers4806True
I will say, in Fudge's defense, though it's not much of one, that maybe Fudge was getting tired of Harry and Dumbledore, because of all the truths they were pointing out. He says that "This boy's tales are getting taller, and you're swallowing them whole!"
You recall, the whole Dumbledore's Army thing wasn't Harry's first defiant act against the Ministry. In his third year, he and Hermoine went back in time and saved both Buckbeak and Sirius, both of whom the Ministry wouldn't listen to any evidence from them that the two were innocent, and Dumbledore also supported their innocence. Now Harry and Dumbledore are claiming that Voldemort returned and was responsible for the death of Cedric Diggory (they could pin the death of Crouch Sr. on his son and claim that he was just a madman, and I believe Fudge did the kiss on him DELIBERATELY to hush him up.) If Fudge admitted that he was wrong on Sirius as well as dropped the ball and let Voldemort return, as well as supported unpopular ideas like removing the Dementors from Azkaban, he was worried that the wizarding community would sack him as minister. Dumbledore doesn't even deny that that COULD happen, but says that if Fudge acts against Voldemort, that, even if he loses office, history will remember him as standing against Voldemort even though he suffered political loss. Truth be told, after admitting that he screwed up that badly from everything to Sirius Black being hunted for a whole year while innocent, to the screwups on Bertha Jawkins and Crouch Sr. to the fiasco at the Quidditch World Cup to their failure to look into how Harry was entered into the Tournament to allowing Voldemort's rebirth to occur, plus suggesting that they remove the Dementors from Azkaban and try and win over dangerous giants, then, yes, I do believe that Fudge would have lost his job. But at least he would have lost it with dignity.
Love this analysis! Think that it takes a lot of courage for anyone to admit they were wrong, courage that Fudge didn't have
At the end of PoA, Snape convinced Fudge that Harry was a delusional liar. That is why Fudge didn't believe Harry in GoF.
Well Fudge would’ve had Dumbledore’s support, which might’ve been enough to sway his opponents
@@darthbricksempire3606on some of these like say the giants they’d forgive that as diplomacy is a principle part of good politics and dumbledore’s support would easily shield him there. However he would never be able to drum up enough support to outright remove the dementors from Azkaban. The best he could hope for is to also implement wizard guards alongside the dementors but this would never work. The dementors would still turn and while unable to outright go against the guards they can turn a blind eye to the actions of a particularly weird rat and new human presence that keeps popping up for split seconds and popping away again (Petigrew giving the prisoners back their wands). The guards are all killed by mysteriously rearmed Death Eaters and the dementors join voldy’s side openly afterward. Once this happens Fudge would be blamed for the breakout and deaths of the guards and sacked though I would like to think that he would still appear to aid the school in this timeline’s Battle of Hogwarts.
And history would have looked back on his final days fondly.
What If Snape decided to embrace Harry on year one and treated him well? (Or as well as Snape is capable of)
Well, that sort of happened in What if Harry was sorted in Slytherin?-theory video.
On some level, Snape was wise not to coddle Harry, knowing what might lie ahead.
In your comparisons between the old and new generations you compared Neville to Peter, I think Sirius would pick up on that and take a particular interest in Neville helping him to grow in confidence thus breaking the Peter character cycle
Also they have a connection seeing as Sirius’ cousin was the one that tortured Neville’s parents.
@@conormurphy4328 that's very true and Sirius, especially one untainted by Azkaban would be a much more nurturing person in general, I feel like he'd be pretty well set on tutoring Neville just as much as Harry
Dude i would believe Lord Voldemort turned good cured Nagini became Harry's adoptive Father and they both loved each other as Father & Son and Voldermort grow wings before i believe...that thing can turn good.
Respect and keep up the epic work.
I feel like a death eater in the ministry had to have Hexed fudge to always deny voldy's alive. It makes the most sense because even when rumors and evidence came out he still denied it
I wish but I think revealing that he was hexed would have taken a way some of the message. That it just takes good people turning a blind eye for evil to prevail 🫤 !also saw another comment where Littlefoot5013 shared their thoughts, another good angle I thought
A valid theory, but I like the original more. It also fits Fudges character and proves Hagrid right.
I believe Luscious was the one who hexed him or bribed him to keep quiet
same thing happened with percy and dumbledore said that its easier to forgive others than yourself. sometimes its so hard to accept that you were wrong
I always thought the real reason that Fudge didn’t believe Harry about Voldemort’s return was because Lucius Malfoy put him under the Imperius Curse because apparently Lucius does a better job working for Fudge than Voldemort!!!! And even Voldemort knows that!!!
Lucious didn't need to put Fudge under the imperious curse, when all he had to do was tell Fudge a very convincing lie.
I'm sure Fudge has some concerns and doubts after the meeting with Dumbledore in the hospital wing at the end of book 4. Especially after Snape showed him the dark mark, and explained how it worked, and that he felt it burn.... All Lucious had to do was tell Fudge that Snape was correct in how the dark mark was used. Show Fudge his own dark mark. Explain that he had no control over getting this mark because he was bewitched at the time and had no choice. Say some bs about fearing that he would one day feel it burn again and naturally if that were to happen, he would absolutely let Fudge know ASAP. But.... in all honestly, he hasn't felt that mark burn in over 13 years.....
You know Fudge would believe Malfoy.... He is from a very old pure blood Wizarding family, always giving to charity..... he would never lie about such a thing, right? Which is why Fudge is so sure of himself and is convinced he is right. He believes Lucious over Dumbledore, and Snape. I'm sure Lucious also convinced Fudge that Snape lied to him about the mark burning because Dumbledore convinced to, or threatened his job if he didn't...
Don't need an unforgivable curse when you can be a good liar, and can cleverly manipulate someone who is so willing to believe everything you say.
Interesting theory, but we all know fear clouds judgment, and besides, Harry wasn't supposed to escape that graveyard. So voldemort had to change tactics. He kept to the shadows til he could get that prophecy, thinking it'd have the answer on how to kill Harry. Voldemort knew the ministry wouldn't accept Harry's claims on his return, because a government doesn’t want to give bad news that would put everyone in a panic. Plus the imperius curse would've had to have been on him immediately, and Lucius was still at the graveyard.
Totally not this subject but another site mentioned where’s Harry’s grandparents? I never thought of grandparents except when Neville’s gran was mentioned. So, what’s your opinion?
@@sophiaeshleman3349 I never thought about that. Very interesting
@@sophiaeshleman3349James’s parents died from Dragon pox according to an interview and Lilly’s parents died from "normal Muggle death[s]” according to the lost prophecy in order of the Phoenix.
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Did Sirius really have to die in this one?
He could have still had a fight with Snape without being killed. (I think Sirius would have been able to take Snape.)
I think this was a solid theory where Sirius could have survived the whole thing.
Snape is a master dueler, during his fight with McGonagall not only does he defend him self from her (one of the most powerful witches in the world), he uses her magic to take out the 2 death eaters that were keeping a eye on the situation (at least in the movie). I think there is a distinct chance he would have won again Sirius.
But he wouldn't necessarily aim to kill Sirius
Sirius had his powers stunted by his 12 years in Azkaban, snape likely would win
Sirius had the DADA curse put on him, so yeah, he did
sirius coudnt take snape
14:52 One thing to remember here is that Voldemort was also trying to keep his return plausibly deniable. Hence, eleven Death Eaters going to the Ministry in his place. In a scenario where the Ministry already believes he’s back, he doesn’t need to send eleven or even six/five of his Death Eaters. He can go himself. I imagine he’d do a better job of securing the Prophecy than any number of his lackeys. And what’s the worst that could happen? The Ministry finds out that he’s back?
True, but with Dumbledore at their side, the ministry might have been able to prevent even Voldemort himself from getting the prophecy. I assume that Voldemort himself would fear Dumbledore and a possible trap for him too much to even try it. It would simply be too risky.
He wouldn't need to arrange the contrived plan to bait Harry into the Department of Mysteries at all; he could just go and grab the Prophecy himself.
I don't think Dumbledore understands politics. Fudge's opponents would absolutely attack him over allowing Voldemort to return under his and his administration's nose. The political reality is that doubling down on denial is actually more beneficial for Fudge in the short term, despite being horrible for the world in the longer term. If he faced strong opposition, Fudge knew that admitting to the public that Voldemort returned under his watch would be politically suicidal, and thus acted for his own political self-preservation.
Wow you raised a great point! Personally I always saw it as lack of courage and a sense of denial from Fudge, but I think you made a good point on politics. Retrospectively the delivery of the message and trying to find mutual wins in the next steps may actually lead to Fudge being nudged to the right direction
Actually, Fudge could have saved face by simultaneously proclaiming emergency measures and his own resignation, stating that while he believes he was a good peace-time Minister, the forthcoming war calls for a different type of leadership. He could then hand things over to, say, Amelia Bones (we don't know much about her, but we do know Voldemort considered her a threat), thus resigning with his head held high -- and even with the possibility of returning to office after Voldemort's defeat
I think Dumbledore does understand that, but is appealing to Fudge's legacy. He isn't saying "people will _immediately_ see you're good and brave;" he's saying "you'll go down in _the history books_ as good and brave"
@@the808songbird He even says to him, "You'll be remembered, _in office or out_" (or words to that effect); that is, he openly acknowledges that Fudge would be putting his job on the line if he does the right thing. (though he's not saying he'll *definitely* lose his job, only that there's a danger that this might happen)
Seeing that clip of Filch failing to get into the Room of Requirement just made something click. The reason he can't get in (if he is indeed a poltergeist) is because the Room of Requirement is a purely magical room that magically appears with whatever someone needs, when they need it so of course, Filch, the poltergeist who can't do magic also can't access the most magical room in the castle. It breaks every rule by existing.
10:05 “Normaly she’s a TOADal menace” (Get it because she looks like a toad 🐸🐸)
Ohnonono... XD
I think, in a scenario like this, we'd get to see much more of Amelia Bones. She must have been a formidable threat to the Death Eaters, if Voldemort thought it important enough to go and kill her himself...
It’s incredible how many what if’s you guys can make up. I absolutely love these videos.
It’s so uncanny that this video came out because I had just finished watching the what if Crookshanks killed Peter video and was thinking about what would’ve happened if Fudge had believed Harry in that scenario or the true timeline!
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My problem with this theory is that I'm pretty sure Fudge was right that he would have been kicked out of office for trying to implement Dumbledore's suggestions. So the question is who replaces him, and I think the most likely choice is Umbridge. So Order of the Phoenix probably goes similarly, but Fudge and maybe a few other ministry employees join the Order.
Errmmm.. Why on earth would Umbridge be offered top job? She was very low in power rankings. Case in point: the swamp twins created.
@@joonaslaitinen9520 Why was Fudge offered the job? He was quite low-ranking too...
Whether Fudge would have been kicked out rather depends on how he presented his policies and whether he was able to persuade the public that Voldemort is back. If he'd been actively seeking evidence (instead of suppressing it) he might have been able to persuade enough of the public that the danger is real, and thereby keep his job
I think dumbledore would have voiced support for fudge and defended him. I’m surprised that dumbledore didn’t offer this to fudge in book 4.
@@ugolombbc dumbledore didn’t want it.
A "What If"/Theory that I would love to see y'all look into. What happened to Lily's and Petuna's parents? I think it is quite clear in the series that the Evans (Harry's maternal grandparents) are dead at the time of the story. But what if they were still alive? Would Dumbles had them take care of Harry instead of the Dursleys? What would Harry's relationship with them be like?
Didn't they die of "normal muggle causes"?
my god, that Umbridge thumbnail gave me whiplash. I literally just started this video so their better be a good reason for it.
Umbridge as a good person?
( *shudders* )
Never in a million years will I believe that could be a possibility.
She supported the Dark Lord in every way possible.
Umbridge being a good person is about as likely as Voldemort redeeming himself at the end of the series. In other words, borderline impossible.
@@brandonclark887 Or Bellatrix being redeemed into a kind, caring and trusted member of magical society
@@hackman669 I have no doubt about that in the least
Oh my god, I suggested this in the livestream on Friday and it's great to see it happen so quickly!
I don't believe that Umbridge could be good. She was sympathetic to Voldemort's goals, as shown by her support of the Muggle Born registration commission. Also, some downsides to the minsitry believing Harry would be that Dumbledore's army was never formed, and that change is going to have negative ramifications, somewhat in Half Blood Prince (as the Death Eaters were hampered from harming others in Half Blood Prince due to the Dumbledore's Army people hanging around and Neville being in Dumbledore's Army was a strong plot point in Deathly Hallows.
And I' could see Bellatrix Lestrange marrying a Muggle before I could see Umbridge becoming a decent person.
She's not sympathetic she is power hungry. Good guys in charge do that to gain power there. Bad guys in charge help them to gain power. She has no loyalty to anyone but herself and tries to use everyone else to gain it. So yeah, if Good guys were still in charge she would of stayed "good" because that furthered her power hungry goals. Honestly makes me hate her more
Honestly, Id like to know how claiming voldemort was back was supposedly a ruse to seize control of the ministry? Dumbledore was the most powerful wizard, he wouldn't need to use a "scare tactic". Dumbledore was offered the job to be minister multiple times, and turned them down.
A possible theory you could do (if you haven’t already). What if there was no chamber of secrets (or at least no basilisk in there)? A lot of stuff ends up happening due to what happens in there so what changes will there be if none of that happens?
Ooh that's a Big one!
What if licius waited?
1. Tom wouldn't have gotten Myrtle killed so Hagrid would've had a full magical education. Hagrid with his giant strength and a full magical education would be a beast. He'd likely have been made a professor long before the story began.
2. Year 2 is mostly peaceful. Lucius has no reason to give Tom Riddles diary to Ginny so it remains in his possession. Harry still discovers he's a parselmouth but without the whole "heir to Slytherin" stuff it wouldn't affect him as much.
3. They're probably all screwed come Deathly Hallows. Without the destruction of Tom Riddles diary in year 2 which would likely be in Voldemort's possession by then + no real way to destroy Horcruxes without basilisk venom, Voldemort just wins in the end.
"Hate her or hate her" yes exactly 🤣
What if Professor Quirrell had succeeded at getting the stone from Gringotts before Hagrid arrived to get it?
A note about Barty Crouch Jr.: one of the reasons he was Kissed, I believe, is that Fudge was already worried about what he might say, maybe already heard snippets about Voldemort having returned. If Fudge were the sort of person who'd believe Harry, he might also have been more careful about a potential source of information. And if Crouch Jr. had still been alive, it would have been much easier for Fudge to explain why he's taking the steps he's taking
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Hate her or hate her, lol love it. Dumbledore would not appoint Sirius as the teacher because the job is still jinxed. On another note, is the jinx lifted once Voldy dies?
Yes it is
@@mindovermatterbecomingyour1561makes sense to me.
I think there's a couple holes in this theory
1. Why would the ministry believe that Sirius is not guilty without any evidence? And would dumbledore allow Snape and Sirius to fight to the death? He'd more than likely intervene. Also, I don't think Dumbledore would be inclined to agree to Harry living with Sirius since he still needs the protection from his Mother's blood in petunia. Also, would dumbledore hire Sirius as a teacher? He's probably too reckless in dumbledores opinion, not to mention he's out of touch with reality due to being imprisoned for so long
2. Would Harry know he can choose not to go on after he dies since dumbledore is not there? Also, would the Gold flames from wand still work after the connection is broken between him and voldemort after harry dies?
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10:03 "Normally, Umbridge is a toad-al menace." Comedy gold!
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I think one thing that is overlooked and something Voldemort could do as a last resort, is to ally with Goblin's. Without his loyal Death Eaters, Voldemort could likely promise Goblins wand use and potentially high ranking positions within the ministry, so they will join his army, and if he could get the financial institution of Gringotts on his side, he could gain control through other methods.
If Fudge had believed Harry, Umbridge wouldn't have supported him. Fudge is a politician with rivals, so someone else would likely be calling Harry a liar, and if the readers of The Daily Prophet remain as fickle as they were, Umbridge would support that person. As long as that rival screamed loud enough, and had the right connections, Umbridge could still wind up as a professor for Harry's 5th year.
Not necessarily, as Fudge in this scenario would not see a need to put the school under direct Ministry control, which is the only reason Umbridge ended up at Hogwarts. But I think there would be some in-fighting within the Ministry, with Umbridge and other pure-blood-supporters on one side and Dumbledore supporters (possibly including Amelia Bones? We know that Voldemort considered her a threat) on the other side. I might even see Voldemort trying to recruit some of the pure-blood-supporters to his side, covertly, of course; so much of the plot would revolve around both true and false leads as to who the spies might be
I feel like the the Snape killing dumbledore plan would still happen, because is actively dying because he put the ring on and I don't see who that changes because of the ministry being on their side.
Maybe him and Harry team up sooner with the horcruxes and Harry is there to stop him. Could happen. Still not sure why they couldn't just cut off dumbledore's arm when the curse was trapped there and then regrow it, but still.
J explains in the video that Harry is probably with Dumbledore when he finds the ring, and Harry strongly urges him to not put it on
Actually, Snape would’ve lived at the end of this story I think because the moment Harry sees Snape kill Nagini I believe the love charm would apply to him as well, protecting him from Voldemort.
What if Sirius had actually been the "Secret-Keeper" and in reverse if James had been Sirius' "Secret-Keeper".
He did one of Neville being the chosen one
@@jbreezy101 I know, saw it, and disagreed with it. But that doesn't relate to my idea.
I also think he did some of dumbledore or Sirius being secret keeper.
@@jbreezy101 But not my idea/suggestion. I'm talking that James is Sirius' "Secret-Keeper" while at same time Sirius is James' "Secret-Keeper".
“Hate her or hate her” Yes. These are the only ways to view Umbridge 😂
The minister of magic had his head so deep in the sand that I thought he either joined Voldemort or was either bribed/blackmailed by the Death Eaters to look the other way.
I was just thinking the actor for Umbridge is probably been asked how does it feel to be the least favorite character.
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What if Harry avoided punishment during his 5th Year? In this version Harry reads the whole Daily Prophet and figures out what they're doing, and decides 'if that's how they're going to be, I'm not going to help them'. The Dementor still attacks him, Umbridge is still the DADA Teacher, but Harry doesn't rise to her bait and stays out of detention. He is still getting Voldemort dreams and manages to rescue Arthur, and starts Legilimency Lessons, but he's not a snoop this time and Snape keeps teaching him. They don't form the DA, but maybe they have a smaller, less official study group, giving him more time for Quiddich.
If Fudge did believe Harry, he probably wouldn't have been attacked by the dementors, wouldn't have had a hearing at the ministry, and Umbridge wouldn't have taken over Hogworts as the "High Inquisitor" and eventually Head mistress because Fudge believed Harry and wouldn't have tried to stop Dumbledore.
Edit: This was written seconds before you started talking about this 😅
Imagine Sirius just disclosing who the marauders were and thus becoming the favorite teacher of the entire student body.
In this scenario, I think umbridge would be better written as a secret death eater working internally to destabilize and overthrow fudge
I'm on the fence about umbridge.
It could go one of two ways..
1; She is completely loyal to the ministry, And plays the same role that barty crouch did of being the hardline "defeat the dark lord by any means" position.
2;
Seeing as she herself is a pureblood extremist and hates all non-humans, I could see her hating that the ministry is trying to create peaceful ties with giants and other non-humans. Add in the fact that she happily sided with the death eaters when it was clear that they had infiltrated and overthrew the ministry, I could see her switching sides and supporting Voldemort.
Umbridge also casually weares the horcrux without being affected
She definitely put it on and was like “lol this tickles”
8:50, but he's been a criminal in everyone's mind for years, not to mention Fudge's methods, while good, would also be seen as controversial and unorthodox (he did say his chance of getting fired was PRETTY high), so to counter it a bit, he would probably not select him as teacher, and we would still get Umbridge, especially if he wanted to make sure Dumbledore wouldn't get any ideas while they were preparing for war.
I feel like in this AU Umbridge becomes a spy for Voldemort like other officials
Loved most of this but I do think the golden flames won't happen, which is sad because I really loved that moment
I've always bought your theory that the Golden Flames was the Horcrux inside Harry defending itself and if his Horcrux is already gone then I think he still has to win just as normal or find another way to kill the Dark Lord
Probably the best commercial you could put before a video about Umbridge! She probably traumatized at least all the first years
Well, we pretty much have a good-guy Umbridge in real-time but I wouldn't call her necessarily great. Its called Dianna Cooper and she's basically Umbridge cross-bred with
Luna Lovegood. She's exactly the kind of Hogwarts Professor who'd keep students on 'Basic-levels' and fluffy-bunny up Magic. She wouldn't torture people...but,
Defense Against the Dark Arts. I just picture myself being Harry with her sitting in that Class-room.
I always thought it was strange that Fudge was never even mentioned in Deathly Hallows. I guess History and the Author herself just flat frowned upon him!
In the Order of the Phoenix, after Sirius is killed, Harry pursues Bellatrix and subdues her with a weak cruciatus curse. When Bellatrix is on the ground, Voldemort speaks to Harry and encourages him to really mean it. He encourages Harry to cruciate her with meaning.
What would have happened if Harry actually followed through with this command? Would Bellatrix have been maimed? Would Harry have been able to produce a Patronus afterwards? Or... would Voldemort have even let Harry do it; rather than quickly disarm him like he already did?
i imagine voldy would attack the prison first. if you notice at the battle of hogwarts he does have a lot of lowlife joining him in the battle. i'm sure he can recruit, curse, threaten, and or charm his way through to get this follower out of the prison. your underestimation of voldy's power is what makes this semi unbelievable. just because society knows he's back doesnt mean there isn't fear in the community. using this knowledge, voldemort would release dementors to wreck havoc around the country to round up more bad people to join his side. he could also recruit new followers like he did in his old days. i feel like umbridge is just a stone throw away from joining the death eaters. if anyone could, voldemort would be able to convince her of his "cause".
That's exactly what I thought too.
+ I don't think it'll be possible to put every death eater that Harry saw in Azkaban, they would have bought themselves their freedom, and Fudge would not be the minister anymore if he admitted that Voldemort came back so the whole story would go pretty different, I think.
And also, Sirius probably would not have become a professor because I can't imagine the parents being too happy with it - even if he was proven innocent. I think an ex-convict is just a little too much, even for Hogwarts😅.
@ellie623 I beg to differ in regarding Sirius's appointment. They had a werewolf, voldemort, and a con artist as a teacher. Sirius can't be worse than them.
Also, it's not necessarily true that fudge would be ousted as the minister. He could have hung on until something major happened. The only reason they sacked him in the original story was because of strange killings and his incompetence in dealing with voldy after Dumbledore have been telling him voldemort has returned. Sure, his bills and demeanor don't inspire confidence, but he at least admitted that voldemort has returned, allowing the Wizarding world to arm themselves. But yes I think he would still get sacked for someone more experienced and tougher.
@@takumi2023 The moment it got out that Lupin was a werewolf, he had to leave. Barty Crouch was also pretending to be Moody and that is why he could have been a professor - until it got out. Quirrel was - for everyone - a normal guy until it got out that he had quite the intimate connection with Voldemort.
I didn't mean that Dumbledore would have anything against hiring Sirius, I meant the general public and the parents. I don't think it would have gone over well.
As for Fudge, maybe he'd be able to hold on for a little while or maybe not, I think admitting Voldemort's return would be a political suicide but who knows, maybe he'd hold on for a year or so.
@@ellie623 it's not necessarily suicide if there evidence for it and puts people on vigilance "constant vigilance" XD. given the evidence to crouch Jr. being Moody, snapes cursed mark, and winky's testimony, they can piece together enough of the story to support voldmort's return. as argued in the video, i believe this should be enough to support fudge at least for another year or half.
My favorite Fudge scene is the opening of HBP, where we find out he's sacked and humiliated. So satisfying.
What if Lily survived.
I think this is how it would happen.
Unknowingly having a lovecrux with her sister when they were young and yes both of them have one of these so petunia and Lily have this so when she died by the killing curse knowingly is able to come back but still having the sacrifice still work and giving Harry the protection.
Not sure if they've gotten these so I will pitch my two separate idea's for "What If..." scenarios for the Carlin Bros. and if someone wants to take them and suggest them in the discord chat or whatever is completely fine. I just want to know what they think would happen as basically the foremost Harry Potter experts online. The first is what if Harry was actually a girl that looked like strikingly similar to his mother, similar to how he's familiar to those who knew his dad. I got that idea listening to one of their "Through The Griffin Door" podcasts when they were talking about how Snape may have a particularly strong dislike for him since he's so similar to James, and one of them suggested he may not be so harsh if he looked more like Lily. So I just turned it up to 100 and want to know if perhaps Snape would favor her like he seems to Draco.
Speaking of Draco, my next idea is about him. I was watching some video about him the other day and as he kept mentioning that Draco was actually quite gifted and made a big deal about being chosen by Voldemort for assassinating Dumbledore, inferring that maybe what he wanted most was just to be the chosen one from the start. So I just figured why not ask that question? What if Draco was the chosen one INSTEAD of Harry?
Seriously, if someone can just get these ideas to them effectively by all means go for it!
Omg you guys took the suggestion I love it! Also that I was actually there to see it happen in the live quiz
I always thought that Fuge knew Harry was telling the truth, just that he didn't want to believe him
Harry still couldn't go *live* with Sirius - not until he turns 17. He would still need to *live* in the house where his mother's blood dwells in order for that protection to continue. Now, he could go spend some time with Sirius just as he does with the Weasleys.
But if Harry lived with Sirius, then the protection from petunia from lily goes away.
What if Harry wasn’t hindered in his ability to learn with the Dursleys? What if Madam Bones raises Harry with Susan?
I know it is fun to speculate but in this case I really don't see anything playing out differently. Fudge would still deny Voldemort's return so as to not panic the public and place his position as Minister in Jeopardy by the same public's outrage that Voldemort has not been caught. Fudge might put Aurors to work finding Voldemort on the down low, but he would then be forced to deny it publicly when Harry and Dumbledore make any public proclamations. Sirius, although vindicated, would also have to be kept on the down-low especially considering how traumatized the public was made about him during Harry's 3rd year and beyond. He might be put on the Ministry's payroll to hunt Voldemort/Death-Eaters on the downlow, but I don't think Fudge would risk the public outcry of that either. Plausible Deniability is a typical government response while they attempt to handle the situation in secret.
Idea for another theory:
What if Harry found out, what Malfoy did in Half-Blood Prince?
He could've potentially entered the room, and destroy the vanishing cabinet.
But, what will happen next? Snape and Dumbledore still have their deal, and Malfoy is still threatened with death by Voldemort, if he fails.
PLEASE make a more in-depth book-by-book series of this, i’d love to hear it
I think Voldomort could figure out how to orchestrate an Azkaban prison break with wizard guards. He would just need to kill the guards and he still has the werewolves.
I wouldn't mind a series about "What If Dudley Dursley had been a wizard and so thus attended Hogwarts alongside Harry?" How would his presence, if at all, have any effect on Harry's adventures and time at Hogwarts? How would Dudley fare as a Hogwarts student? Would he eventually come to realize the wrongfulness of how he treats his cousin, and learn to take and accept responsibility for his own life and actions? How would Dudley interact with various characters such as Draco Malfoy, Crabbe, Goyle, The Weasleys, Hermione, the Hogwarts professors, et cetera, et cetera. How would Snape react to Petunia's own son being (inexplicably) magical, given his interactions with her as a boy and relationship with her sister Lily? How would Vernon and Petunia react and respond to having a son with magical blood flowing through his veins? Would Dudley eventually become involved somehow in the Second Great Wizarding War?
If Harry goes to live with Sirius, though, he won't have the protection of living with his blood relatives. Doesn't this mean Voldemort could try to attack him over the summer (and he'd have three summers to try)?
Great video! I'd be really interested in a "What if Barty Crouch was minister of magic"
I always wondered how voldemort would communicate with the dementors without a patronus
I like the idea that Harry was so determined to prove he was right he forced fudge to listen to him under the effects of veriteserum so they know he at least is 100% sure of what he saw
This question makes me wonder... WHY didn't Dumbledore just use his memory of BCJr.'s confession in a Pensive?? There was a perfectly good Pensive in Dumbledore's office where they were probably ALREADY TALKING!!!
What if Harry befriend the part of Voldemort that was inside him.
First it's said that the piece of Voldemort inside Harry was the only part of him that could be redeemed and second in Chamber of secrets Harry says the Tom Riddle whoever he was felt almost like an old friend
I particularly liked how everyone forgot about the Pensieve in the same book it was introduced in. Totally could have just said "oh here's my memory of the confession, and this is the Third task and the graveyard." Such an oversight.
How are nobody talking about Snape simply killing Nagini with the killing curse? Is that how horcruxes work?
Slughorns memory is like a huge plot hole! How do they know he actually made that exact number of horcruxes? It's just guesswork
Snape should have told Dumbledore he felt his mark burn, Dumbledore would have known whether Harry told him or not, but it gives Snape some cover from the spy perspective.
I am on the 5th book, but i think the dada post is not cursed. Quirrel had volemort attached to his head, gilderoy lost his memory using rons wand, lupin was a werewolf, and umbridge gets taken away by centaurs
I wonder, would Harry and Cho's relationship survive for longer? After all, it's Cho's outrage at Harry going to meet Hermione on Valentine's Day that kills that relationship. If the Ministry is on his side, Hermione has no reason to break off his "ahum" enjoyment at Madam Puddifoot's.
Alternate title what if fudge was competent
I’d like to see a what if harry left some food for the other kids on the trolley
I love how you got Snape killing Nagini. A proper retribution. And I was typing this as he said it at the end😂😂😂
Want to say at the start, it does not matter how much evidence there is, fudge didnt want to believe it. Its not that he is an idiot, its that he is afraid and wants to deny relality. Happens way to often in real life.
I take umbrage with you trying (halfheartedly) to take away my hate for Umbridge.
I recently had a thought: why couldn't James and Lily have had Sirius as their Secret Keeper, and then to protect him, had Sirius go under the Fidelius Charm as well, with either James or Lily being his Secret Keeper?
Umbridge gets put in charge of Azkaban of course, where she can cherish in punishing all those rulebreakers and keeping up order.
Actually, I think she'd do the unthinkable and let them out AFTER trying to instill discipline into them. While she is effective, Umbridge was a human supremacist, so she might join Voldemort in order to "Save the Ministry".
What if Snape got the defence against the dark arts job in philosophers stone
Would the killing curse kill the snake if its a Horcrux? Could they have just used that on every Horcrux? It's what's kind of annoyed me about the last book when Harry tells Neville to "Kill the snake" but gives no details about it being harder to kill than a normal snake.
You said Umbridge was a "Toadal Menace" lol 🐸
My only problem with that what if…is. What about the Defense Agents the Dark Arts curse for Serious? He’d only teach for the one year.
Good umbridge is like a catch 22 in my head