This is celebrated in Lutheran liturgical tradition. Much was lost in the immigration to America in the 18th and 19th centuries where the Lutheran immigrants were without ordained clergy to lead them and in attempting to "blend in" to their new country, adopted many of the predominant "reformed protestant traditions", unfortunately losing their Lutheran liturgical traditions and Lutheran liturgical practices. Lutherans, unlike others, never abandoned the Mass at the Reformation.
It's not Catholic - the theology of the Eucharist was removed in the 16th century. It's just the husk of the Tridentine Mass without the Theology of the Mass.
Hi Stella Good afternoon. I hope my comment didn't sound as a form of privacy invasion your comment tells of a wonderful woman with a beautiful heart which led me to comment I don't normally write in the comment section but I think you deserve this complement. If you don’t mind can we be friends? Thanks God bless you….🌺🌺🌺
I am familiar with the Anglo Catholic branch of the Episcopal/Anglican church but was not aware of the Lutheran version of “High Church”. In any case, beautiful service.
no! They don't ordain women as that is prohibited in the writings of St Paul. Women function well in other vocations but the churches where they are ordained, are dying.
Thank you for chanting the preface. A Lutheran pastor, now deceased, used to chant the preface. I told some Catholic friends about the preface being chanted. I recognized the chant when I visited a Croatian Catholic Church. I also heard it chanted in Latin when I visited an SSPX congregation. Those 2 Visits took place 30 years ago. In recent times I visited a congregation, which celebrates the Tridentine Mass, or Extraordinary Latin Mass, with the approval of the Vatican. And I’ve heard the same chant. I wish the chanting of the preface was more 1:10:31 common in the Lutheran church. I had to do a search to find your service in which the preface was chanted.
Whence Father Peterson came ? I love the fact that some of the women are wearing head coverings . I follow this practice and find that scripture and church tradition support it .
Hi Karen Good afternoon. I hope my comment didn't sound as a form of privacy invasion your comment tells of a wonderful woman with a beautiful heart which led me to comment I don't normally write in the comment section but I think you deserve this complement. If you don’t mind can we be friends? Thanks God bless you….🌺🌺🌺
same here. I am Catholic, but i know many Lutherans. I have Lutheran friends, including some LCMS Pastors. Grew up in a Lutheran neighborhood. All Lutherans I have ever known use the title Pastor the way we use the title Father.
I thought some of the Anglo Catholic liturgies I've attended could outcatholic the RC Church but wow! I've never seen women wearing the mantilla at any of them even. And the amount of the liturgy that is chanted. Just wow!
This type of high mass , would in my mind drew many faithful back to the church.. Lutheran Church here? I never seen type in the ELCA in my church but i believe it would benefit our church in declining membership...this is a wounderful service ..
I hope they reach out to visitors with Christ's love . The last video there was a young couple in the pews at the end of service and no one was welcoming them .
Everyone at Zion is greeted upon entering the building by the usher(s) and greeted upon leaving the nave by the entire procession. It's practically impossible to leave the building without shaking hands with 5 people on a normal Sunday (or in this case-- 12 people). The proper rubric for entering the nave is to "kneel in prayer" (IE silently) and the proper rubric for leaving the nave is to "depart in silence," which is why you won't see anybody greeting in the nave-- greeting occurs in the narthex (the room you enter when you walk in the front door of the building). These practices are printed in the ordos (bulletins) you see people holding during the service.
From Conflict to Communion, the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification has paved the way for Lutheran reunification with Rome as a Rite in the Catholic Church. www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/documents/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_31101999_cath-luth-joint-declaration_en.html
@@charleshappold4637 Unfortunately the mainline Lutheran churches have embraced too much unbiblical heresy. Female ordination, gay marriage, transgenderism, etc. The only option is an ordinariate for former Lutherans.
@@mosesking2923 Lutherans and Anglicans adapted/ embraced the guidance of the holy Spirit. Even Francis is nudging the Church toward female & LBGT faithful Christians.
@@charleshappold4637 Lutherans and Anglicans have embraced disgusting heresy and sodomy. Which is why mainline protestant churches in the United States have lost 70% of their congregation LOOLOLOLOLOL. There is no reason for the Catholic church to attach itself to a sinking ship.
@@Gospel_Street_Preacheryes there was no other church but the orthodox and Roman Catholic Church at that time unless you consider the Moravian Church which technically was still Roman catholic
Why are you blocking &ava and UA-cam from captioning? I turned &ava, a standalone desktop captioning app (software), to run the transcript. Nothing happens. Similar experience on Trinity Sunday clip when I start to view for first time yesterday. I run system check and I was fine when other presentation broadcast their voice, permitting captioning mode to run. Now, when I go to LCMS UA-camrs like Revs. WolfMueller, Cooper, Fisk, The Higher Things, LCMS, as well several other theological sites, it works fine. Unblock yours, please.
@@demeter120 o sea, son los verdaderos catolicos. Estar de acuerdo con el papa, obispo de roma, no se hace catolico. Defender la fe de los apostoles, junto con tradiciones puras y basadas en la misma fe, eso sí es verdaderamente catolico.
@@pjwg Estoy de acuerdo con usted. Las opiniones de un Papa y de un obispo tienen que ir acorde con los evangelios y la tradición. En cambio sí el papa y los obispos tienen opiniones que contradicen los evangelios y la tradición apostólica entonces es un falso religioso.
It very much is. Fr. Mark Braden is ordained in the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, and Zion Evangelical Lutheran Church in Detroit is of the highest calibre of conservative, Confessional, Historical, and Liturgical Lutheranism. But indeed, it is a rare breed as many have succumbed to either theological liberalism and/or the influences of American Evangelicalism. Lord have mercy!
It is. Just as some Lutheran areas made it to the 1800's before abandoning the Latin ordinary of the Liturgy, some congregations today have services nearly identical to Catholic services, which was one of the goals from the beginning.
@@intensity33 Amen. Zion Evangelical Lutheran Church - Detroit is a member congregation of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod's English District. Her pastor, Fr. Braden, is my seminary classmate. English District's current bishop, Rev. Dr. Jamison Hardy, graduated from Concordia Theological Seminary - Fort Wayne a few years before Braden and I did. What is recorded here in this service is closer to what Martin Luther would have recognized than what passes as "Lutheran" in this country.
The first hymn is I Will Arise and Go to Jesus, late 18th century. It's from the wonderful Sacred Harp collection s of 200 years ago. The last is a sh6mn etting of Samuel Barber's famous Adagio.
@@joshuawashington758Telling you guys you’re right doesn’t help either as it keeps you that way. If you want people to change, you point out what they’re doing wrong and correct them.
@@stevenstuart4194 This liturgy seems more catholic than what you guys have going on nowadays. We do not need heterodox theology to have a beautiful, reverent worship service.
The ordinations are valid as far as Scripture goes. We Lutherans don't care about your opinion, we have valid sacraments even if Rome may not recognize that.
This is way closer to how Luther would've celebrated the Eucharist. His Formula Missae almost identical to the Latin Mass in Structure, Visual form and Solemnity. Of course Lutheranism has liturgically expanded in expression and form as time when on, but if we're talking about how Lutherans would've had it back then in his time... Then this is very close. My fellow Protestants, y'all literally don't need to let your anti-papism cause you to be revisionist about your liturgical histories.
A better statement would be what a shame the Lutheran/protestantism became so anti-catholic. Christ and his church is, has always been and should still be catholic. Luther attempted to reformed, not replace. This video is the greatest example of the mass as described in the confessions. Luther would approve, especially if a bishop was present, like this. I pray that you please meditate on the gospel and really dig deep into theology. Test everything by the Spirit. Look to reformed, methodist, baptist, Roman Catholic, Lutheran etc. Read the early church fathers. I pray you find which theology is the most true and attains the fullness of the gospel for yourself.
What are you saying? I assume then your Lutheranism was developed here in America by immigrants who had no pastors and unfortunately took up the customers of the predominant "reformed protestants" of this country and lost their Lutheran faith and practice.
For whatever reason this was on my home page “recommended for me” today.... in 2024! Shout out to those Lutheran High Westland singers! 😊
Bring peace to all watching and all who made this service possible. Thank You for the choir members, God be with them :)
Wow, this is more catholic than even some of the Roman Catholic parishes! Wish more Lutheran parishes had traditional liturgy like this!
Its catholic but not roman.
@@chelseajohnson5575 thank you, someone has to say it
@@that39warguy6 your welcome.
This is celebrated in Lutheran liturgical tradition. Much was lost in the immigration to America in the 18th and 19th centuries where the Lutheran immigrants were without ordained clergy to lead them and in attempting to "blend in" to their new country, adopted many of the predominant "reformed protestant traditions", unfortunately losing their Lutheran liturgical traditions and Lutheran liturgical practices. Lutherans, unlike others, never abandoned the Mass at the Reformation.
It's not Catholic - the theology of the Eucharist was removed in the 16th century. It's just the husk of the Tridentine Mass without the Theology of the Mass.
Thank You for this service, and these people
It’s nice to see the Eucharistic prayer within a confessional Lutheran mass
Yes
I love to see this tradition
Thanks be to he True Redeemer.
Hi Stella Good afternoon. I hope my comment didn't sound as a form of privacy invasion your comment tells of a wonderful woman with a beautiful heart which led me to comment I don't normally write in the comment section but I think you deserve this complement. If you don’t mind can we be friends? Thanks God bless you….🌺🌺🌺
I am familiar with the Anglo Catholic branch of the Episcopal/Anglican church but was not aware of the Lutheran version of “High Church”. In any case, beautiful service.
I worshipped at Zion many years ago when Fr. Runge was pastor and then went on to St Augustine House in Oxford, Michigan
THIS would be my church if I lived nearby . Father Braden is a saintly Father .
very true even me I need it here in Tanzania
Young people !! Inexpressively beautiful , like the saints in heaven .
These hymn can be found in TLH no 264 preserve They Word, O Savior. LSB 658.
I want branch of this here in Tanzania. I hope also this one doesn't Ordain women to be Bishop and pesters!
In Tanzania there is KKAM
no! They don't ordain women as that is prohibited in the writings of St Paul. Women function well in other vocations but the churches where they are ordained, are dying.
Holy cow, they even use the same chants as in the High Catholic Mass! I didn’t know there were high services in the Lutheran church
Now you know 😂 but know the Lutheran religion is just as false as Roman Catholicism. Same false sacramental salvation
@@Gospel_Street_Preacher Nope. The Baptist churches are actually promoting false doctrine. Lutherans and Catholics follow the Bible.
Thank you for chanting the preface. A Lutheran pastor, now deceased, used to chant the preface. I told some Catholic friends about the preface being chanted. I recognized the chant when I visited a Croatian Catholic Church. I also heard it chanted in Latin when I visited an SSPX congregation. Those 2 Visits took place 30 years ago. In recent times I visited a congregation, which celebrates the Tridentine Mass, or Extraordinary Latin Mass, with the approval of the Vatican. And I’ve heard the same chant. I wish the chanting of the preface was more 1:10:31 common in the Lutheran church. I had to do a search to find your service in which the preface was chanted.
Whence Father Peterson came ? I love the fact that some of the women are wearing head coverings . I follow this practice and find that scripture and church tradition support it .
I am a life long LCMS, never knew a pastor called a Father
Hi Karen Good afternoon. I hope my comment didn't sound as a form of privacy invasion your comment tells of a wonderful woman with a beautiful heart which led me to comment I don't normally write in the comment section but I think you deserve this complement. If you don’t mind can we be friends? Thanks God bless you….🌺🌺🌺
same here. I am Catholic, but i know many Lutherans. I have Lutheran friends, including some LCMS Pastors. Grew up in a Lutheran neighborhood. All Lutherans I have ever known use the title Pastor the way we use the title Father.
I thought some of the Anglo Catholic liturgies I've attended could outcatholic the RC Church but wow! I've never seen women wearing the mantilla at any of them even. And the amount of the liturgy that is chanted. Just wow!
This is similar to a Solemn High Mass in the Episcopal Church. I see that they borrowed the English gradual for the propers.
This type of high mass , would in my mind drew many faithful back to the church.. Lutheran Church here? I never seen type in the ELCA in my church but i believe it would benefit our church in declining membership...this is a wounderful service ..
I left the ELCA . They should not even call themselves Lutheran!
@@willoooooooob9 I left ELCA as well. Nothing Lutheran or Christian about them.
This is a confessional LCMS church.
Our loved Lutheran brothers n sisters we are all of Christ not Luther or Catholic
I hope they reach out to visitors with Christ's love . The last video there was a young couple in the pews at the end of service and no one was welcoming them .
I am sorry that that happened. Christians don't always practice what they say they do.
Everyone at Zion is greeted upon entering the building by the usher(s) and greeted upon leaving the nave by the entire procession. It's practically impossible to leave the building without shaking hands with 5 people on a normal Sunday (or in this case-- 12 people). The proper rubric for entering the nave is to "kneel in prayer" (IE silently) and the proper rubric for leaving the nave is to "depart in silence," which is why you won't see anybody greeting in the nave-- greeting occurs in the narthex (the room you enter when you walk in the front door of the building). These practices are printed in the ordos (bulletins) you see people holding during the service.
We sure need to create a new Ordinariate for Lutherans to join the Holy Mother Church. Deus vult, Amen! :)
From Conflict to Communion, the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification has paved the way for Lutheran reunification with Rome as a Rite in the Catholic Church. www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/documents/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_31101999_cath-luth-joint-declaration_en.html
@@charleshappold4637 God forbid .
@@charleshappold4637 Unfortunately the mainline Lutheran churches have embraced too much unbiblical heresy. Female ordination, gay marriage, transgenderism, etc. The only option is an ordinariate for former Lutherans.
@@mosesking2923 Lutherans and Anglicans adapted/ embraced the guidance of the holy Spirit. Even Francis is nudging the Church toward female & LBGT faithful Christians.
@@charleshappold4637 Lutherans and Anglicans have embraced disgusting heresy and sodomy. Which is why mainline protestant churches in the United States have lost 70% of their congregation LOOLOLOLOLOL. There is no reason for the Catholic church to attach itself to a sinking ship.
It was a reformation. Not a replacement.
Yes just to "reform" the Roman Catholic religion
@@Gospel_Street_Preacheryes there was no other church but the orthodox and Roman Catholic Church at that time unless you consider the Moravian Church which technically was still Roman catholic
Beautiful
What is the man doing with the incens?
Why are you blocking &ava and UA-cam from captioning? I turned &ava, a standalone desktop captioning app (software), to run the transcript. Nothing happens. Similar experience on Trinity Sunday clip when I start to view for first time yesterday. I run system check and I was fine when other presentation broadcast their voice, permitting captioning mode to run. Now, when I go to LCMS UA-camrs like Revs. WolfMueller, Cooper, Fisk, The Higher Things, LCMS, as well several other theological sites, it works fine. Unblock yours, please.
Good
Yo creo en la Iglesia Católica Apostólica y Romana.
Los del vídeo solo son inmitadores
@@demeter120 o sea, son los verdaderos catolicos. Estar de acuerdo con el papa, obispo de roma, no se hace catolico. Defender la fe de los apostoles, junto con tradiciones puras y basadas en la misma fe, eso sí es verdaderamente catolico.
@@pjwg Estoy de acuerdo con usted. Las opiniones de un Papa y de un obispo tienen que ir acorde con los evangelios y la tradición. En cambio sí el papa y los obispos tienen opiniones que contradicen los evangelios y la tradición apostólica entonces es un falso religioso.
ELCA ?
LCMS
Haha no, far be it!
Absolutely not ELCA.
ELCA is not liturgical bro LCMS is more liturgical and traditional than you. LCMS and WELS pure of Lutherans and ELCA no. ELCA is LGBT's Church😂😂😂😂🤭🤭🤭
I do not believe if this is lutheran...
It very much is. Fr. Mark Braden is ordained in the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, and Zion Evangelical Lutheran Church in Detroit is of the highest calibre of conservative, Confessional, Historical, and Liturgical Lutheranism. But indeed, it is a rare breed as many have succumbed to either theological liberalism and/or the influences of American Evangelicalism. Lord have mercy!
It is. Just as some Lutheran areas made it to the 1800's before abandoning the Latin ordinary of the Liturgy, some congregations today have services nearly identical to Catholic services, which was one of the goals from the beginning.
@@intensity33 Amen. Zion Evangelical Lutheran Church - Detroit is a member congregation of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod's English District. Her pastor, Fr. Braden, is my seminary classmate. English District's current bishop, Rev. Dr. Jamison Hardy, graduated from Concordia Theological Seminary - Fort Wayne a few years before Braden and I did. What is recorded here in this service is closer to what Martin Luther would have recognized than what passes as "Lutheran" in this country.
Believe ;) the truth shall set you free...
Why not? They are retaining the Mass as the Augsburg Confession says.
What hymns are being sung in the video? They're quite beautiful but I couldn't find them by looking up the words I was able to hear.
The first hymn is I Will Arise and Go to Jesus, late 18th century. It's from the wonderful Sacred Harp collection s of 200 years ago. The last is a sh6mn etting of Samuel Barber's famous Adagio.
😂❤
Too bad the ordinations of this are invalid, as well as the "communion".
Ah yes, here comes the one who knows God’s Will & Grace.
@@joshuawashington758Telling you guys you’re right doesn’t help either as it keeps you that way. If you want people to change, you point out what they’re doing wrong and correct them.
True. Borrowing the Catholic ritual, gutting the theology and orders does not get you the same thing.
@@stevenstuart4194 This liturgy seems more catholic than what you guys have going on nowadays. We do not need heterodox theology to have a beautiful, reverent worship service.
The ordinations are valid as far as Scripture goes. We Lutherans don't care about your opinion, we have valid sacraments even if Rome may not recognize that.
What a shame to see the lutheran church going back to Catholic! This is what Luther got us away from! You don’t need all that parading down the aisle!
Luther did no such thing
This is exactly how Luther would have celebrated the mass!
This is way closer to how Luther would've celebrated the Eucharist. His Formula Missae almost identical to the Latin Mass in Structure, Visual form and Solemnity.
Of course Lutheranism has liturgically expanded in expression and form as time when on, but if we're talking about how Lutherans would've had it back then in his time... Then this is very close.
My fellow Protestants, y'all literally don't need to let your anti-papism cause you to be revisionist about your liturgical histories.
A better statement would be what a shame the Lutheran/protestantism became so anti-catholic. Christ and his church is, has always been and should still be catholic. Luther attempted to reformed, not replace. This video is the greatest example of the mass as described in the confessions. Luther would approve, especially if a bishop was present, like this. I pray that you please meditate on the gospel and really dig deep into theology. Test everything by the Spirit. Look to reformed, methodist, baptist, Roman Catholic, Lutheran etc. Read the early church fathers. I pray you find which theology is the most true and attains the fullness of the gospel for yourself.
What are you saying? I assume then your Lutheranism was developed here in America by immigrants who had no pastors and unfortunately took up the customers of the predominant "reformed protestants" of this country and lost their Lutheran faith and practice.