I have had my share of these heads, both the previous versions made in New Zealand, and the current version made in China. I buy them bare, and go through them. I check and size the guides, cut the seats, and deck them. I use valves from Ferrea, Engine Pro, and Enginetech in them. I finish them with whatever spring is needed. They always require some cleanup. The head you showed is worse than I usually see, but not surprising. The heads work well once everything is gone through. With a good valve job and attention to the area on each side of the seat they flow great. I consider the work I do to these heads when new to be typical, and you absolutely can not use these as they come, right out of the box. Thanks for the video.
Casting sand wow ! I feel your pain. Two things recently for me. Upgraded to a mini starter in my 81 W250 Saturday, yesterday it "clicked" a couple times before doing its thing. Guess I'll see how it plays out. Other thing is worse. Put the pistons in my 68 318, had the decks cut .010 to get the KB167s at zero deck. Machine shop said it was really crooked and needed about. 012 shaved off. No biggie with .040 gaskets that'll still give .038 quench clearance, I ain't concerned. So I get the pistons in and the decks aren't cut straight, about zero on the exhaust side and .010 up on the intake side. Stuff happens, its back at the shop now. Hopefully he can get it straight and with a thicker gasket it'll be OK, otherwise a different block I guess. You gotta check everything !
@@will7its I hope not! Only had one of the big old Chrysler starters fail me. The one I just replaced, still works but it was a parts store rebuild and five years old. Figured I'd "upgrade" before winter. Probably be putting the old one back on in a damned snow bank. 😂
Glad you made this video, Really glad! I have the same heads. They are still in the box for a future project. I will be getting them hot tanked and all the spec's checked. Thank you for this video. May you be blessed for helping and protecting thy neighbors.✝️
Oh NO!! This same thing happened to myself and The Dodge Whisperer. We also purchased some EQ heads but from a machine shop that did some porting to them. They were a disaster waiting to happen. Full of black sand , lots of poorly threaded holes, and poor machining. Sorry you got the same deal with the Black Sand. If you haven't already, I would recommend chasing all the threads in the head. My thread were so poorly done that the intake wouldn't suck down and I had to chase all of them. I spent a lot of time blowing out all the sand in mine, But after seeing yours I really wish I could of taken mine apart. Good Luck Tim! I hope you can make them work!
I remember exactly your video!!! I was thinking at the time it was from your port work. But man, I got table spoons out of the intake ports!!!! just WOW!!!
Wow soap and water first just to save 200 bucks in chemicals to first clean I know from previous work always take apart clean then measure then take to michine shop to do the grindings then clean again just to make sure but that head alone you need two day just to clean thanks for the inspection though teaches me something new
I've been on the fence for weeks about buying these heads for my Barracuda, after watching your video I decided to order a pair for the same reasons. I will definitely fully disassemble and clean. Jeremy from bad tree productions did a video on how he fully disassembled his aluminum heads to be sure they were clean.
I think the heads will work fine. I think it's worth noting that I disassembled the Speedmaster aluminum heads and they were perfectly clean. But it is never worth the risk to bolt on "OOTB".
It's called "Quietly Quitting". You have to check everything you buy these days to make sure that the machining was done correctly. And now they're not cleaning the parts. Maybe check for any core shift and bolt patterns with good gaskets.
I just opened up a pair of monster magnum eq heads. Found same stuff not nearly as much, measured everything, vacuumed tested all ok but not optimal, guides on the tight side on exhaust, intake seats right at minimum, exhaust seats way too narrow and don’t seat about 1/4 of seat when checking with dye.
Thank you for sharing !!! Hopefully all the comments and this video help open the eyes of consumers, especially those that don't know and just take for granted.
Holy crap! That’s not acceptable. Good thing you didn’t overlook this. I bought similar heads sold through Indy cylinder heads. Even though the la intake bolts on, check port alignment because these aren’t very good.
Thanks! 👍 This video didn't go as planned of what I wanted to show.... I know you are on top of this stuff and you do an awesome job inspecting!! I hope to inspire someone that isn't so much in the loop that thinks new heads are ready to go to at least give a look... and maybe save their engine!
This points to a bigger problem. Their is a worker shortage and many who are working don't give a crap. Employers will NOT fire incompetent workers because they are too valuable. Think about that. Those heads went thru several procedures where those employees damn well saw that sand and did NOTHING. I know because I work with those types. "F#!@ it, not my job to clean it."
That's horrible. Have you seen the video were uncle tony pulled metal shavings out of a new camshaft? I am glad these channels show this kind of stuff. Maybe that will make suppliers more responsible for their parts if people see there names.
That crap in side of those heads is completely disgusting. I can't believe they don't care enough to at least flush some of that out. There should be a label on the box saying Do Not Bolt these on your car until you have them cleaned for the poor person that tried to bolt them on OOTB. AS you said the engine would be finished with crap that came out of those heads!
Absolutely true. I hope somebody that doesn't know about these issues sees this video and takes the warning and saves their engine. Thanks for watching!
Your %100 are on the warning. How can anyone make a product with that much carp left behind. I have heard such good things about these heads but boy that is garbage. The heads should be cleaned and bagged before shipping.
When things like that happen it makes me wonder if there is a disgruntled employee or "the new guy" or trying to get product out too fast for anyone's good. ALL casting sand should be gone just for general inspection before any machining is done. It seems the person installing the valves only knows how to put the round part into the round hole kind of operation and QC is on vacation.
I really enjoy your videos. You have a great channel. Keep up the excellent excellent work man. You pointing that out. I've known that for like a long long time but it's always good to be reminded of that sort of thing and pointed out to the especially the newbies. The the ones just coming into this hobby cuz especially the folks just starting to work on vehicles and stuff like that. It's really important you know. Don't take stuff for granted and nothing you know. Check everything out. Look at all over. You know. Clean it up before you know before you bolt it on and that's you know. Good good information to repeat
Man. This would piss me off. Unacceptable in every way. I would HOPE they take care of it 100% otherwise "unless they have it stated in any instructions about cleaning them". They would be paying for alot of engines. Due to failure.
Yes, not good for them and hopefully they'll get it corrected !!! And these heads actually look like good castings too. I didn't get a chance to talk about the castings as my attention was diverted. Thanks for watching!
I machine castings every day some times we hit small pockets of sand from the castings. when we hit a small pocket it instantly dulls our carbide inserts on the tools. I cant even imagine what that much casting sand would do to a running engine. We need to keep showing these things in our videos these companies need to see what they are sending out the door, and fix the problems.
Yes! Hopefully it's two parts: 1. So the consumers are aware and 2. So companies can see that this stuff will be shared and thousands can see!!! I know we live in a time when it's hard to get workers, let alone workers that care... but still, it's inexcusable !
EQ farms out the machine work & assembly to a company in Las Vegas by the name of Vegas Machine and they garbage work, that is giving the benefit of the doubt.
Oh my goodness! Sign of the times! It's ashame we have to be our own quality control nowadays! Awesome catch Tim! Thanks for sharing this with us! They do look like great heads, minus the crud!👍
Wow. Wish it wasn't typical but sorry to say it is in today's world. Almost every product or service paid for ends up being severely inferior to how things were even 10-20 years ago. Things like this having myself found over and over and over... With even the most simple stupid things has lead me on a mission to learn and aquire as much knowledge and equipment as I possibly can so as to do everything possible my own self. No one can be relied upon any longer to come even close to doing things right.
Sorry to hear about your troubles with these heads. My son bought a set of EQ heads with LA intake pattern about 5 years ago. Clean as a whistle. I disassembled and mildly ported using stock size valves. Assembled with beehive springs and 10° locks and retainers. Stupidly powerful for an "economy" head. 360 bored .030, stock stroke. 10.7 CR, hyd. roller, Performer intake and carb, premium gas. Made 365 HP and 415 torque at the wheels. Makes me wonder what it would have made if I had installed 2.02 and 1.60 valves. Made me a believer.
Most times if you complain to the manufacturer, they will tell you, just clean them that's not our responsibility. My friend Ed, of Ed's machine, he has had new Edelbrock aluminum heads come in and need a valve job, and debur. Sad, and unfortunately true.
@@318willrun the 318 will certainly bore out alot but before you would have broken in the cam you'd have Crank shaft piece's scattered throughout the engine. Great job👍👍
I bought a set of 2.02 valve, 5.2/5.9 EQ's in 2018 for a project that never happened. Still have the heads. No expansion plugs in ends of head, ( have not opened them but I can see ends through lift holes in box ) and they came from a place in Florida, Clearwater cylinder heads. heard bad and good reviews, no different than anything else you buy. Thinking I might just put them and the Hughes air gap (still in box) on my 5.2 in my pickup with a torque cam TBD. I now want to look at them and see what kind of work Clearwater did.
Rediculous! I have some experience with the EQ folks. From what I know the early heads like I have are better. I believe these heads are sold out of Las Vegas and have talked to them a couple of years ago about another set of assembled heads, I asked about who does the assembling of them. I was informed that Vegas Machine, also known as Nevada Crankshaft did. These folks are horrible, sadly I've have three experences with them {my bad for not learning}. Sorry this happened to you, glad that you mentioned that NO assembled heads should be installed without being checked, so true! You didn't say anything about the valve job, will that be in another chapter? Lastly, cool intro nice job!
Thanks for sharing your experience!!!! Many will read it and benefit! Yes, there will be a continuation of these heads, but this video was disrupted by the findings !!
WoW dramatic entrance....I was gonna say no heat crossover under the carb. And that grit would have toasted your motor wow. Hot soapy water (simple green/ dawn) and dollar store brushes thats what I do to everything. And a little leak at the valves will usually correct itself when you start up as the valves will beat themselves into the seats. How much are aluminum heads?
I see this stuff more often than what someone might think. I don't care who the manufacturer is, I always tear the heads down and wash them completely.
That's just ridiculous, Duddie and Dodge Whisperer had the same quality control issues. They don't be seeming to be making a good name for there business.
Agree! I know they had issues, but I wasn't sure if it was the port work they had done or if it was the manufacturer. If manufacturer then the porter missed it too. In two ports I got more than a table spoon full of casting sand. I agree, disgusting. Wasn't even looked at, because it was obvious. Thanks for watching!
Awesome video, u may of saved a few more motors than just yours. I sure hope uncle Tony sees this one because he would have a comment on that one. Looking forward to the next one.
WOW that's bad! Make sure to check the valve guides I and many others have had the guides be way to tight to run at temperature. I had to have mine machined Jegs knocked off the amount the machine work cost.
Good catch! The valve job looks pretty weird, seems like a 90 degree cut under the seat and then something like 60 degrees to blend it to as cast port. The 90 degree is not necessarily a good thing, and can't be fixed. And checking the seats with alcohol or something else will not tell that much unless there is a big leak. It should be checked with vacuum and without valve springs, or if doing with liquid, light check springs. Valve springs, especially stronger ones, can do a great job of sealing when the valve is steady, even with a bent valve. But of course this method reveals any major leaks. It's not a bad idea to lap the valves with fine grade to see the pattern in the valve and seat, that it goes all around.
Tim I tell people and have been telling for years, even if it is new clean and test and inspect your new and remanufactured heads. Unless you know the source of origin.. You just had one of the worst or best examples of this, depending how you look at it. Other than that, I do think you have something to work with. I wish you ever success with your project. Take care, Ed.
Thanks Ed !! Yes, the castings actually look good. We think these heads will work well for our 5.2. As you'd expect, there will be a follow up video on what we touch up and the finished heads for the 5.2
@@edsmachine93 If you like, you can send me your number by email at 318willrun@gmail.com. I'll give you a call in the next few days that works for you and me!
Welcome to the modern world of today. Dam man. This kind of stuff is really getting worse and old. Sorry but can we trust anything anymore? Can you see the guy in his home shop trying to get his buddies car fixed. How do you explain this? Good luck with this. How much will you have to spend to fix this? This is bad. I hope the other head is better.
Maaate, that's officially NOT good. Parts of all sorts, the standards do seem to have dropped. Even things like idler arms & Pittman arms. Keep the faith.
Very poor quality control. I have used 2 sets of the EQ heads made in Australia & they were top quality. One set on a 98 5.2 and another on a 96 5.9. Where were these made? I believe the main reason the factory heads crack is because of the induction hardened exhaust seats, the original EQ heads used hardened exhaust seats that were installed into the casting (no induction hardening). Do these heads have valve seats installed? A fella who runs a machine shop that works on a lot of these engines said that he has never had a head with cracked seats leak coolant but if the engine is run very hard (like in a truck pulling heavy loads) a valve can get burned. On any new or re-man head I always lap the valves to check for proper valve to seat sealing. Just put a bit of Dykem on the seat, lap the valve slightly with fine lapping compound then check both the valve & seat for proper contact. If there is any space on the seat that has some Dykem remaining lap a bit more to insure proper seating. On the valve the lapping process will leave a light gray trace on the machined surface of the valve. That stuff that you dug out of the intake passages is casting sand that should have been removed prior to assembly and indicates poor assembly quality. Places doubt on the quality of the rest of the work.
The NZ heads were better heads. These are cast in China, but machined and assembled in the USA. These heads were never even given a glance by the machinist or assembler.
😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳 I just uh I have no word how do u leave how could u miss how could u over look 😳😳😳 That is jacked up man did u get lucky you saw that but what i dont understand is how could someone put those heads together and not see that , where has the quality control went these days? Does ppl not take pride in their work anymore? Thats ridiculous but im so glad you caught that because your a lil guy like us(except for the boat loads of money😜) and to have had to replace a motor wouldnt have been very fun all because of someones careless and lazy work ethic.🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Dang u gave me nightmares was all that just out of one port? I just bought some Odessa's heads an just put springs on them never checked I hope they not like that an they cleaned them
Thanks a lot. Now I have to cuss. Dag Namitt that is whopperjawed. Stovepiped and caved in. Some one got busy pushing a rope up hill. Instead of paying any partial attention to their job. I have some NZ's for my Magnum 60. Gonna go through them busy like. Close to a cat trying to bury their crap on a marble floor. 318 will run and it would be too cool to see you and Tony talk a project. What I want to see is this. A Dodge 360 LA or Magnum. A Cheby 350 and a Ford 351 Windsor. All equal block machining. Then add every bit of Proform/Speed Master to each. Then see what they all turn on the Dyno. Call it the Speedmaster challenge. Puts pressure on the underdog. Cheers and keep them SBC's screaming.
Yeah, that is so bad . After seeing all this isn't other potential problems should be considered even after the sand is cleaned what about guides having the correct clearance, don't want to run the engine a few times and then stick a valve unexpectedly which will bend a pushrod maybe hurt a cam lobe. Think Id take them to a good machinist and talk about putting K line bronze thin wall liners in the guides. Which ever way you go Bud expected to spend more time and money.
PIE "EQ" heads are not what they were 20 years ago. I bought a set and was pissed to say the least. I did a video. For what you pay you can get a set of trick flows for a few hundred more. Valves were bent, freeze plugs not installed correctly. Cast flash everywhere, coolant passage blocked, valve guides were sticky and most of them knurled not honed. etc. If they were closer to me o would have thrown them through their shop window. 🤬 Those are not EQ heads. They only advertise EQ replacement. Good luck man. I wouldnt use them at all.
TrickFlows are 3 times the price of these, and thats without the required head bolts or studs. I agree that these aren't what they used to be but what you suggest as a replacement for " a few hundred more" is crazy.
@@318willrun Yeah it's hard to believe that they put brand new parts together like that and i feel bad for someone who expected bolt on ready but 400 bucks apiece sounds good! (I got a set of speedmaster magnums w/o valves and springs for 395 apiece) ...but I wanted good springs anyway.
I have had my share of these heads, both the previous versions made in New Zealand, and the current version made in China. I buy them bare, and go through them. I check and size the guides, cut the seats, and deck them. I use valves from Ferrea, Engine Pro, and Enginetech in them. I finish them with whatever spring is needed. They always require some cleanup. The head you showed is worse than I usually see, but not surprising.
The heads work well once everything is gone through. With a good valve job and attention to the area on each side of the seat they flow great. I consider the work I do to these heads when new to be typical, and you absolutely can not use these as they come, right out of the box.
Thanks for the video.
This is the worst I've seen! Yep, gotta go through them. Just a shame is all...
Wow. Sure appreciate this vid.
Thanks for watching!!
PS: Thanks for the EGR tube, I got it in good order last week! :D
Great to hear!
Glad you caught that, that is unacceptable!
100% agree!
Casting sand wow !
I feel your pain. Two things recently for me. Upgraded to a mini starter in my 81 W250 Saturday, yesterday it "clicked" a couple times before doing its thing. Guess I'll see how it plays out.
Other thing is worse. Put the pistons in my 68 318, had the decks cut .010 to get the KB167s at zero deck. Machine shop said it was really crooked and needed about. 012 shaved off. No biggie with .040 gaskets that'll still give .038 quench clearance, I ain't concerned.
So I get the pistons in and the decks aren't cut straight, about zero on the exhaust side and .010 up on the intake side. Stuff happens, its back at the shop now. Hopefully he can get it straight and with a thicker gasket it'll be OK, otherwise a different block I guess.
You gotta check everything !
Man, it's everywhere! You are right, you have to check everything! Thanks for sharing!
That ministarter will leave you stranded for sure.....
@@will7its I hope not! Only had one of the big old Chrysler starters fail me. The one I just replaced, still works but it was a parts store rebuild and five years old. Figured I'd "upgrade" before winter. Probably be putting the old one back on in a damned snow bank. 😂
@@bobbyz1964 I didn't mean to jinx you lol but I had a lot of problems with them.
Best of luck to you....☺
Glad you made this video, Really glad! I have the same heads. They are still in the box for a future project. I will be getting them hot tanked and all the spec's checked. Thank you for this video. May you be blessed for helping and protecting thy neighbors.✝️
Thanks! If we saved even one person a hardship, it was worth it!
Wow thanks for sharing that information with us!!!😮
Thanks for watching!!
Hopefully a lot of people see this. That is just absolutely ridiculous
Ridiculous is right!!!
So much for quality control
Correct. The buyer has to play Quality Control and Customer... Thanks for watching!
Oh NO!! This same thing happened to myself and The Dodge Whisperer. We also purchased some EQ heads but from a machine shop that did some porting to them. They were a disaster waiting to happen. Full of black sand , lots of poorly threaded holes, and poor machining. Sorry you got the same deal with the Black Sand. If you haven't already, I would recommend chasing all the threads in the head. My thread were so poorly done that the intake wouldn't suck down and I had to chase all of them. I spent a lot of time blowing out all the sand in mine, But after seeing yours I really wish I could of taken mine apart. Good Luck Tim! I hope you can make them work!
Were the holes at least deep enough for additional threads?
@@superkillr Luckily , yes
I remember exactly your video!!! I was thinking at the time it was from your port work. But man, I got table spoons out of the intake ports!!!! just WOW!!!
Wow soap and water first just to save 200 bucks in chemicals to first clean I know from previous work always take apart clean then measure then take to michine shop to do the grindings then clean again just to make sure but that head alone you need two day just to clean thanks for the inspection though teaches me something new
It's a mess for sure!! Thanks for watching!
I've been on the fence for weeks about buying these heads for my Barracuda, after watching your video I decided to order a pair for the same reasons. I will definitely fully disassemble and clean. Jeremy from bad tree productions did a video on how he fully disassembled his aluminum heads to be sure they were clean.
I think the heads will work fine. I think it's worth noting that I disassembled the Speedmaster aluminum heads and they were perfectly clean. But it is never worth the risk to bolt on "OOTB".
It's called "Quietly Quitting". You have to check everything you buy these days to make sure that the machining was done correctly. And now they're not cleaning the parts. Maybe check for any core shift and bolt patterns with good gaskets.
Right on !!!
I just opened up a pair of monster magnum eq heads. Found same stuff not nearly as much, measured everything, vacuumed tested all ok but not optimal, guides on the tight side on exhaust, intake seats right at minimum, exhaust seats way too narrow and don’t seat about 1/4 of seat when checking with dye.
Thank you for sharing !!! Hopefully all the comments and this video help open the eyes of consumers, especially those that don't know and just take for granted.
Holy crap! That’s not acceptable. Good thing you didn’t overlook this. I bought similar heads sold through Indy cylinder heads. Even though the la intake bolts on, check port alignment because these aren’t very good.
Absolutely! This video was supposed to cover some of that alignment checks and all, but our attention got diverted. Thanks for watching!!
Nice save! I’ve been hearing about their issues. Great video 👍🏼
Thanks! 👍 This video didn't go as planned of what I wanted to show.... I know you are on top of this stuff and you do an awesome job inspecting!! I hope to inspire someone that isn't so much in the loop that thinks new heads are ready to go to at least give a look... and maybe save their engine!
@@318willrun excellent idea!
This points to a bigger problem. Their is a worker shortage and many who are working don't give a crap. Employers will NOT fire incompetent workers because they are too valuable. Think about that. Those heads went thru several procedures where those employees damn well saw that sand and did NOTHING. I know because I work with those types. "F#!@ it, not my job to clean it."
You nailed it!
That's horrible. Have you seen the video were uncle tony pulled metal shavings out of a new camshaft? I am glad these channels show this kind of stuff. Maybe that will make suppliers more responsible for their parts if people see there names.
Yes, we work to get this stuff out there!!!
Wow! Nice Work! Thanks for the Money Saving Video!
You bet! We hope to save an engine from destruction!
That was nasty dirty. Glad you checked them out first. They were probably Monday morning or Friday afternoon heads.
Somebody maybe texting instead of looking on the job?? Who knows... but man that would be hard to missed. It wasn't even looked at to be honest.
@@318willrun Slap it together and get it out the door.
That crap in side of those heads is completely disgusting. I can't believe they don't care enough to at least flush some of that out. There should be a label on the box saying Do Not Bolt these on your car until you have them cleaned for the poor person that tried to bolt them on OOTB. AS you said the engine would be finished with crap that came out of those heads!
Absolutely true. I hope somebody that doesn't know about these issues sees this video and takes the warning and saves their engine. Thanks for watching!
Well said. They should a warning on the box about the prep work needed before bolting those heads on your engine!!!
Your %100 are on the warning. How can anyone make a product with that much carp left behind. I have heard such good things about these heads but boy that is garbage. The heads should be cleaned and bagged before shipping.
When things like that happen it makes me wonder if there is a disgruntled employee or "the new guy" or trying to get product out too fast for anyone's good. ALL casting sand should be gone just for general inspection before any machining is done. It seems the person installing the valves only knows how to put the round part into the round hole kind of operation and QC is on vacation.
Very good perspective. Thanks !!
I really enjoy your videos. You have a great channel. Keep up the excellent excellent work man. You pointing that out. I've known that for like a long long time but it's always good to be reminded of that sort of thing and pointed out to the especially the newbies. The the ones just coming into this hobby cuz especially the folks just starting to work on vehicles and stuff like that. It's really important you know. Don't take stuff for granted and nothing you know. Check everything out. Look at all over. You know. Clean it up before you know before you bolt it on and that's you know. Good good information to repeat
Thanks! Yes, I hope to help some newbies just getting into the hobby or somebody that hasn't bought new in a long time with this video!
Man. This would piss me off. Unacceptable in every way. I would HOPE they take care of it 100% otherwise "unless they have it stated in any instructions about cleaning them". They would be paying for alot of engines. Due to failure.
Yes, not good for them and hopefully they'll get it corrected !!! And these heads actually look like good castings too. I didn't get a chance to talk about the castings as my attention was diverted. Thanks for watching!
I machine castings every day some times we hit small pockets of sand from the castings. when we hit a small pocket it instantly dulls our carbide inserts on the tools. I cant even imagine what that much casting sand would do to a running engine. We need to keep showing these things in our videos these companies need to see what they are sending out the door, and fix the problems.
Yes! Hopefully it's two parts: 1. So the consumers are aware and 2. So companies can see that this stuff will be shared and thousands can see!!! I know we live in a time when it's hard to get workers, let alone workers that care... but still, it's inexcusable !
HOLY COW!!!
EXACTLY !!!!!!
I See MAGNUM. I subscribe.
Welcome !!!!
Damn, looks like casting sand.
Yes, not good at all !!!! Thanks for watching!
WOW!! That's filthy
yeah, not very impressive to say the least !!
@@318willrun no not at all! Someone will just bolt them on and an engine will get completely ruined
What the heck EQ? My cat's litter box has less clumps in it!
🤣🤣🤣🤣
EQ farms out the machine work & assembly to a company in Las Vegas by the name of Vegas Machine and they garbage work, that is giving the benefit of the doubt.
It showed here!!!
I've heard for the last 40 years, always clean your parts, even if they are new. This was an extreme case but really drives the point home.
100% agree!
Oh my goodness! Sign of the times! It's ashame we have to be our own quality control nowadays! Awesome catch Tim! Thanks for sharing this with us! They do look like great heads, minus the crud!👍
You got that right! Thanks for watching!
Casting and core sand. Unacceptable.
100% agree!
Wow. Wish it wasn't typical but sorry to say it is in today's world. Almost every product or service paid for ends up being severely inferior to how things were even 10-20 years ago. Things like this having myself found over and over and over... With even the most simple stupid things has lead me on a mission to learn and aquire as much knowledge and equipment as I possibly can so as to do everything possible my own self. No one can be relied upon any longer to come even close to doing things right.
Sad to say, but you are correct !!!
The Dodge Whisperer and Duddie had the same issues.
Yes, I remember that!!! However, they had port work done and I thought their contaminants were from that process !
@@318willrun they said they were told it was "casting sand"
@@stephenhotzjustdriveit Yep, that's what my table spoons full look to be. Go over and Tell Duddie he didn't have to share ..... 🤣
@@318willrun rofl
Thats crazy. Those heads should come with a warning label.
"they should come with a warning label" ... I love it !!!! 🤣
Sorry to hear about your troubles with these heads. My son bought a set of EQ heads with LA intake pattern about 5 years ago. Clean as a whistle. I disassembled and mildly ported using stock size valves. Assembled with beehive springs and 10° locks and retainers. Stupidly powerful for an "economy" head. 360 bored .030, stock stroke. 10.7 CR, hyd. roller, Performer intake and carb, premium gas. Made 365 HP and 415 torque at the wheels. Makes me wonder what it would have made if I had installed 2.02 and 1.60 valves. Made me a believer.
Your son has a strong combo!!
Most times if you complain to the manufacturer, they will tell you, just clean them that's not our responsibility.
My friend Ed, of Ed's machine, he has had new Edelbrock aluminum heads come in and need a valve job, and debur. Sad, and unfortunately true.
unfortunately, moving stuff out the door is more important than what goes out the door. Thanks for watching!
That would have ruined everything including the block.
I agree! It would have destroyed the 318 before it ever got started. Thanks for watching!
@@318willrun the 318 will certainly bore out alot but before you would have broken in the cam you'd have Crank shaft piece's scattered throughout the engine. Great job👍👍
Ive heard to take them apart. Could of been a shift change some called off people make mistakes. Latreen call. Phone call.
But this mistake would have destroyed my engine. 🤷♂
It looks like sand blasting media. Aluminum Oxide
Yeah, casting sand or blasting sand, but it shouldn't have been a part of this video, if you know what I mean!! Thanks for watching!
I bought a set of 2.02 valve, 5.2/5.9 EQ's in 2018 for a project that never happened. Still have the heads. No expansion plugs in ends of head, ( have not opened them but I can see ends through lift holes in box ) and they came from a place in Florida, Clearwater cylinder heads. heard bad and good reviews, no different than anything else you buy. Thinking I might just put them and the Hughes air gap (still in box) on my 5.2 in my pickup with a torque cam TBD. I now want to look at them and see what kind of work Clearwater did.
Sounds like you have the original EQ's .... a fantastic head !!!
Rediculous! I have some experience with the EQ folks. From what I know the early heads like I have are better. I believe these heads are sold out of Las Vegas and have talked to them a couple of years ago about another set of assembled heads, I asked about who does the assembling of them. I was informed that Vegas Machine, also known as Nevada Crankshaft did. These folks are horrible, sadly I've have three experences with them {my bad for not learning}. Sorry this happened to you, glad that you mentioned that NO assembled heads should be installed without being checked, so true! You didn't say anything about the valve job, will that be in another chapter? Lastly, cool intro nice job!
Thanks for sharing your experience!!!! Many will read it and benefit! Yes, there will be a continuation of these heads, but this video was disrupted by the findings !!
Who in the heck QC's their work?
Agree!
Biden
Daaaaaaang!
... 25 point Quality inspection they say ....
Nothing like lapping compound for piston rings. Thanks for showing
Yeah.... we'll finish honing the cylinders in the first 10 miles.... graphite! Thanks for watching!
WoW dramatic entrance....I was gonna say no heat crossover under the carb. And that grit would have toasted your motor wow. Hot soapy water (simple green/ dawn) and dollar store brushes thats what I do to everything. And a little leak at the valves will usually correct itself when you start up as the valves will beat themselves into the seats. How much are aluminum heads?
Thanks for watching! Yes, magnum heads don't have the heat crossover.
Will you be able to clean them up and use them?
Yes! We believe the heads will work well on the 5.2. We'll have a follow up video on these heads. Thanks for watching!
I see this stuff more often than what someone might think. I don't care who the manufacturer is, I always tear the heads down and wash them completely.
100% Agree!!!
👍🏻🇦🇺good advice thanks
Thanks!
I’ve got a 92 d150 318 Magnum. In a first gen. Love it.
Nice Trucks!
@@318willrun I just had it painted. It’s like showroom condition
That's just ridiculous, Duddie and Dodge Whisperer had the same quality control issues. They don't be seeming to be making a good name for there business.
Agree! I know they had issues, but I wasn't sure if it was the port work they had done or if it was the manufacturer. If manufacturer then the porter missed it too. In two ports I got more than a table spoon full of casting sand. I agree, disgusting. Wasn't even looked at, because it was obvious. Thanks for watching!
Awesome video, u may of saved a few more motors than just yours. I sure hope uncle Tony sees this one because he would have a comment on that one. Looking forward to the next one.
Thanks 👍 I hope it helped somebody... now and in the future!
WOW that's bad! Make sure to check the valve guides I and many others have had the guides be way to tight to run at temperature. I had to have mine machined Jegs knocked off the amount the machine work cost.
Yes! The video was supposed to be about the heads... I mean in a different way!!
Good job TIm
Thanks !!
Dang that is a lot of junk in those heads. And you are right that would destroy your engine.
Yes, home inspection can save the day!
Good catch! The valve job looks pretty weird, seems like a 90 degree cut under the seat and then something like 60 degrees to blend it to as cast port. The 90 degree is not necessarily a good thing, and can't be fixed. And checking the seats with alcohol or something else will not tell that much unless there is a big leak. It should be checked with vacuum and without valve springs, or if doing with liquid, light check springs. Valve springs, especially stronger ones, can do a great job of sealing when the valve is steady, even with a bent valve. But of course this method reveals any major leaks. It's not a bad idea to lap the valves with fine grade to see the pattern in the valve and seat, that it goes all around.
Thanks for watching! Good tips!
Tim I tell people and have been telling for years, even if it is new clean and test and inspect your new and remanufactured heads.
Unless you know the source of origin..
You just had one of the worst or best examples of this, depending how you look at it.
Other than that, I do think you have something to work with.
I wish you ever success with your project.
Take care, Ed.
Thanks Ed !! Yes, the castings actually look good. We think these heads will work well for our 5.2. As you'd expect, there will be a follow up video on what we touch up and the finished heads for the 5.2
@@318willrun Tim, if you would like to discuss this further.
Get my number from Joe.
I would like to compare notes and our thoughts.
Take care, Ed.
@@edsmachine93 If you like, you can send me your number by email at 318willrun@gmail.com. I'll give you a call in the next few days that works for you and me!
What you was taking out is what is left over from the sand and oil casting from the mold . Very bad .. good thing you took them apart .
Agree!
Welcome to the modern world of today. Dam man. This kind of stuff is really getting worse and old. Sorry but can we trust anything anymore? Can you see the guy in his home shop trying to get his buddies car fixed. How do you explain this? Good luck with this. How much will you have to spend to fix this? This is bad. I hope the other head is better.
Yeah, it's scary anymore.... There will be more on these heads for sure..
What was the end result with this? Were there any other problems once they were cleaned out?
More to come.... thanks for watching!
I just got a pair of these and they have the same problem but maybe less severe. absolutely ridiculous.
yes, it is ridiculous!
Trust, but verify.
I like that quote !
The guys working at that company are probably all smoking dope at break time because how the hell would they miss that when the heads were assembled!
All I can say is..WOW!
Yeah... it pretty much halted the direction of the video!!
Seems to me black sand is a sure sign that there is gold close by. I bet your wife is right there for you keeping things going forward!!!!
gold. GOLD !!! If black sand is a sure sign for Gold...... I'M RICH !!!!! Thanks for watching!!
@@318willrun get it it’s your wife that’s the gold for letting you use the table for your shananagins lol.
@@stannelson2582 Ever notice she isn't home when I do these type of videos ????? .... ha! kidd'n
WTF? There is no more Quality control in this world.
QC is out the door in most areas anymore....
Maaate, that's officially NOT good. Parts of all sorts, the standards do seem to have dropped. Even things like idler arms & Pittman arms. Keep the faith.
Yes, it's all over... even household items!!
Very poor quality control. I have used 2 sets of the EQ heads made in Australia & they were top quality. One set on a 98 5.2 and another on a 96 5.9. Where were these made? I believe the main reason the factory heads crack is because of the induction hardened exhaust seats, the original EQ heads used hardened exhaust seats that were installed into the casting (no induction hardening). Do these heads have valve seats installed? A fella who runs a machine shop that works on a lot of these engines said that he has never had a head with cracked seats leak coolant but if the engine is run very hard (like in a truck pulling heavy loads) a valve can get burned. On any new or re-man head I always lap the valves to check for proper valve to seat sealing. Just put a bit of Dykem on the seat, lap the valve slightly with fine lapping compound then check both the valve & seat for proper contact. If there is any space on the seat that has some Dykem remaining lap a bit more to insure proper seating. On the valve the lapping process will leave a light gray trace on the machined surface of the valve. That stuff that you dug out of the intake passages is casting sand that should have been removed prior to assembly and indicates poor assembly quality. Places doubt on the quality of the rest of the work.
The NZ heads were better heads. These are cast in China, but machined and assembled in the USA. These heads were never even given a glance by the machinist or assembler.
@@318willrun Or management never gave them a chance to do the job properly.
😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳 I just uh I have no word how do u leave how could u miss how could u over look 😳😳😳 That is jacked up man did u get lucky you saw that but what i dont understand is how could someone put those heads together and not see that , where has the quality control went these days? Does ppl not take pride in their work anymore? Thats ridiculous but im so glad you caught that because your a lil guy like us(except for the boat loads of money😜) and to have had to replace a motor wouldnt have been very fun all because of someones careless and lazy work ethic.🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Exactly how I felt!!!
Give us an update on what the manufacturer says. I'm curious as to how he's going to explain that mess!
For sure there will be more in the future!
I'd go there and throw them through the window! 😡
Remember my Indy Cylinder heads with the water jackets drilled into the exhaust ports?
yeah, it isn't very encouraging ... the bigger picture of it all I mean
Dang u gave me nightmares was all that just out of one port? I just bought some Odessa's heads an just put springs on them never checked I hope they not like that an they cleaned them
I was stunned. These heads were the worst I've seen ever. I always recommend inspecting new or remanufactured heads no matter who the manufacture is.
@@318willrun was that big pile all of it out of all. The ports? An yeah that's rediculous paying that much u should get quality work
@@thomaslockley945 Two ports were the worst, so most of what you see came from 2 ports.
Wow that is ridiculous I just put mine together an really hoping mine were clean cause I don't want to tear it back down
@@thomaslockley945 you will probably be ok. I had odessa heads and my set were fine
Wow
That was my reaction ... Wow !
Thanks a lot. Now I have to cuss. Dag Namitt that is whopperjawed. Stovepiped and caved in. Some one got busy pushing a rope up hill. Instead of paying any partial attention to their job. I have some NZ's for my Magnum 60. Gonna go through them busy like. Close to a cat trying to bury their crap on a marble floor.
318 will run and it would be too cool to see you and Tony talk a project.
What I want to see is this.
A Dodge 360 LA or Magnum. A Cheby 350 and a Ford 351 Windsor.
All equal block machining. Then add every bit of Proform/Speed Master to each. Then see what they all turn on the Dyno. Call it the Speedmaster challenge.
Puts pressure on the underdog.
Cheers and keep them SBC's screaming.
😂😂
Yeah, that is so bad . After seeing all this isn't other potential problems should be considered even after the sand is cleaned what about guides having the correct clearance, don't want to run the engine a few times and then stick a valve unexpectedly which will bend a pushrod maybe hurt a cam lobe. Think Id take them to a good machinist and talk about putting K line bronze thin wall liners in the guides. Which ever way you go Bud expected to spend more time and money.
there will be more to come on these for sure.. Thanks for watching!
What vender did you buy those heads from?
They are the EQ dealer from Las Vegas, Nevada
OMG.... was the other head the same?
It was not as bad, but it had some fine sanding grit in it as well.
PIE
"EQ" heads are not what they were 20 years ago. I bought a set and was pissed to say the least. I did a video. For what you pay you can get a set of trick flows for a few hundred more. Valves were bent, freeze plugs not installed correctly. Cast flash everywhere, coolant passage blocked, valve guides were sticky and most of them knurled not honed. etc. If they were closer to me o would have thrown them through their shop window. 🤬
Those are not EQ heads. They only advertise EQ replacement.
Good luck man. I wouldnt use them at all.
TrickFlows are 3 times the price of these, and thats without the required head bolts or studs. I agree that these aren't what they used to be but what you suggest as a replacement for " a few hundred more" is crazy.
@@dmdhl7
🤔 The "EQ's" I purchased was 1580$ to my door.
Where did you get those?
We'll work with them. Thanks for watching!!!
@@firstrespondergarage @318willrun stated he paid in the $800 range for the ones in the vid
That's casting sand
Agree, and it should have never been a part of this video!
That's some gristle. It wouldn't have run with that. A case of getting more than you paid for. 🥝❌🛠️
Agree! Thanks for watching!
400 bucks apiece for contaminated heads? (sounds like a good deal)
Now go get a dremel moto tool, open up those bowls, and make some more dust.
Their sand wasn't a part of the buying agreement! My grindings are just part of the process !!
@@318willrun Yeah it's hard to believe that they put brand new parts together like that and i feel bad for someone who expected bolt on ready but 400 bucks apiece sounds good!
(I got a set of speedmaster magnums w/o valves and springs for 395 apiece) ...but I wanted good springs anyway.
318 and eq heads 🤣 no it wont run i mean it might run but i wont make any good power 🤣☠️
Thanks for watching!!!!
@@318willrun Rest assured I didn’t watch anything I only came to make a comment about how someone thinks a 318 is going to be fast 🤣☠️
Holy cow that would have ruined that engine……. What happened to quality control?
yep, it would have ended this 318 !! We, the consumer, are now the Quality department!
What do you think about Speedmaster heads, good investment or Chinese junk ?
i bought a set and they have worked well. I did a video on home inspection of them and install of them.
@@318willrun Any updates on the EQ heads?
@@XJeepSlaveX I made another video on what EQ's response was.... next video on the EQ's will be what the machine shop found