What Happens If You Just Add A Stroker Kit To A Stock Mopar Magnum? - Engine Power S9, E3
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2024
- We show what happens when our 360 Magnum engine gets fifty extra cubic inches from a forged stroker kit.
In this unconventional build, we focus on enhancing the 360 Magnum's performance by adding a stroker kit, increasing the stroke by an impressive 420 thousandths, taking it up to 410 cubic inches. Watch as we run it on the dyno for baseline numbers, tear it apart, install the kit and then reassemble with all the stock components from cams, cylinder heads, to intake manifolds. Once reassembled, it's back to the dyno where we examine the effects of the added stroke on power across the RPM range.
0:00 - Intro
2:03 - Getting Baseline Numbers
7:01 - Tear Down
11:14 - Block Cleanup and Stroker Kit Mockup
12:18 - Final Assembly
16:32 - Dyno Run For Final Performance Numbers
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"Pat is at the machine shop getting some work done". Most people visit doctors, Pat visits the machinist. Makes perfect sense.
Hahaha
Wifey called him home to the bedroom (machine shop) for some boring and stroking.
@@wsfwsf1497 probably some drilling and tapping.
@Sida Saloma
Bitch, you have way less torque even compared to a 5.2 magnum with very low compression.
Yeah he's a good Machinist but they missed the key thing by putting on the wrong carb spacer
I maxed out a set up like this. I bought a new 360 block, 408 stroker kit, 11:1 compression, port matched Eddy airgap to a set of alum Eddy heads (ported by Hughes), balanced the internals, 850 Dom on a 1" spacer-plate for NOS, TTi 1&78 headers, Howards cam with ~ 600 lift & saw 580TQ @ 5000 / 600HP at 6000 with no power adder. I put that bullet in a 2900Lb '73 Dart. Mopar or no-car.
THAT is EXCELLENT
I thought NOS was a power adder. Learn something new everyday.
Mostly old parts and rust.
@@Hammerback972 maybe it made more on NOS?
Music to my ears
I see a 360 magnum video, I click.
Stock Magnums were rev limited to 5250RPM. They ran into valve float after that. Stock heads: Michigan heads, 195-205CFM. Mexican 5.9L heads: 215CFM. Make sure you have Mexican heads, better parting lines, and truer to design ports.
Wake that engine up with a REALLY good porting and polish with 2.02 intake valves (Steve Sanchez at Total Flow in Troy, MI). Get a better cam, single piece pushrods, and try a set of Crower S.S. 1.7 ratio full roller rockers.
My Magnum? No stroker, .030" over makes 395HP and moves my Indy Ram (4750lbs) through the quarter in 13.87s at 102mph. Daily driven, starts every day, AND gets better fuel economy than stock.
No way it gets better mileage than stock 😯
Awesome! I would like to build 360 with a stroker crank for my Durango. I would probably leave the cam and top end alone. Just mainly focusing on make it torque monsters. What’s thoughts on a build like that. My goal is to have a great tow rig and trail/rock crawler.
lol and if you need more revvs might need a different tourq converter or just put your 2jzin there
im not quite shur what is expected in mechanical engineering vs just loveing it like mc d"s
Definitely like Frankie being on the show. Definitely keep him and pat together. They make a good team.
"𝘛𝘩𝘦𝘴𝘦 𝘰𝘯𝘭𝘺 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘦 240'𝘴 𝘴𝘵𝘰𝘤𝘬"...
The Magnum engines were rated in SAE 𝑵𝑬𝑻 HP, tested with a full exhaust(from factory manifold to tailpipe) and induction(including the filter/filter housing) as it would be installed in a vehicle. SAE NET also requires all the accessories being driven. The pull you did with long tube headers, no driven accessories and an electric water pump gives you an SAE 𝙂𝙍𝙊𝙎𝙎 HP rating. It's the same reason the 426 'Street Hemi' appeared to lose 75hp from 1969 to 1972 despite the engines being identical.
I'm sure the people who made this show knows this ! Alot of people who watch this doesn't really know this r care there watching it to bond am maybe get ideas I think u should make a pod show a out your knowledge r what's wrong with this show an others
That's a serious truck engine there. It'd be sweet for a daily driver too
In a gen I dakota with overdrive on 3:92 gears. And with their 2300 lock up converter. I've got a stroker ... now just need to do it.
My dad has one in his ram and it has almost 300,000 miles and still burns rubber all the time
Daily driver, street/strip dakota. ua-cam.com/video/Wt93RWXTCw8/v-deo.html
even the SOHC 287 that replaced the 318/360, makes in that range of the old 360 shy 400 tq? and only 240hp.. Magnum's are natural tire fryers
Dakota 5.9 comes with it
I was just telling my wife I’m going to build a 360 stroker, this is just what I needed
It's a sign from Dodge
i just told my wife im gonna stroke her,she said thats just what she needs😃
@@trillrifaxegrindor4411 i found that extra 1/2” can make a big difference.
- jus sayin
Make sure you guys check her clearance’s though
Hahaha before I stroke it
Thats just a downright good build that will get you a couple hundred thousand miles and enjoy every one of them. Good job guys, I just may have to build one.
@@bigboreracing356 But out of the people that would build a 360 this way, most will get well over 100,000-200,000 miles out of it. You don't make a build like this if you're a lead foot, you do a build like this if you want big block torque in a "stock" small block.
tbh, it wont last half that. 408 strokers side load the hell out of the cylinders.
I did a 426" 360 magnum, in a dakota. 400hp 525tq at the wheels on the ob1 pcm.
Bought time they did this build! Probably 10 years to late but this is encouraging to see from a guy who owns a dakota rt.
It's going to pull really hard to 3800 then feel like it's taking a nose dive. The HP never gets above the torque. Truly an all torque motor. Good for putting in a duly and hauling or pulling stuff. Doing crazy burnouts in the streets.
100% correct... Slow as grandma torkie as Fuk... Fun as hell to drive
It's more fun to get there quick, not go extremely fast.
a good camshaft would rectify that
@@clintyoung6482 Torkie is not slow. Torque is what gets you off the line, and presses your eyeballs in the back of your head while doing it. Stop light to stop light, street racing the car that pulls next to you at that light, torque will win over HP every time. If I have a car with 500 torque, and 300 hp, and you have a car with 300 torque and 500 hp, I will jump so far in front, there will be no room for you to catch up before we have to slow down for the next intersection.
I thought this was an excellent video of something that most people would never do just to see the results of stroke only
After seeing this, I just may build one exactly like this for an everyday driver. Mileage, reliability and that insane torque. Miles of smiles.
*_339 hp for that much work debatable on worth it.._*
Well... The new numbers seemed way too high... until it dawned on me that the extra cubes cranked up the compression ratio !!!
@@Thelongmanable it's not about the horsepower. It's about the torque. Give that thing some highway gears and it will take off like a rocket. There is an old saying. Horsepower sells cars, but torque wins races. The potential for a high horsepower engine are right here in front of you. Do a cam swap and on the stock heads it will make another 50 horsepower or more. What more could you want? Not everyone has 10 grand to throw at an engine. Some folks want the best bang for the buck.
I would so love to see what you guys could do with the old Magnum V10 engines! I'm thinking about putting one in my project truck just for the uniqueness lol
You deserve a beer 🍻 took the words right outta my mouth that 8.0L Hands Down will always be my favorite Domestic pickup gasser engine
I was about to do one some years ago but my partner said the V10 dodge engine is very unbalanced and a V8 is better so we went with a Chevy V8 but even the Ford V10 I was thinking to try but everyone talks about how unbalanced V10 engines are....
@@hajileserpud9539 that may be true, I haven't looked into that. But I want to build something unique, so I am up for a challenge lol it's a 51 Dodge pickup, and I just don't want to do the same thing everyone else has done lol
@@hajileserpud9539 look, would they put that moter in a viper if it was unbalanced? No. How about Lamborghini or Ferrari. That v10 was around a long time. It was a 488ci tq machine, way better than ford's. Your buddy just wanted to do a generally mediocre. Later on the ci was increased to a 505ci v10. 20yrs later and the trucks that had them in the srt10s are still running them. Only downside is I don't like the sound
@@sonsofliberty3081 totally different motor only a hand full of parts will swap between the 2 also its super hard to find electronic components for this motor I'm a fan of the motor my self and own one but don't think your going to go to the local parts store to get parts
305hp and 414 Lb. Ft. for a basically stock 360 is pretty good. And with just the stroker kit swap, 334hp and 490 Lb. Ft. is very impressive. And then they top themselves with the 950 on it, it made 339hp and 498 Lb. Ft. That's insane for essentially a stock small block.
BUT, they are running the engine with absolutely NO parasitic loss from accessories. There isn't a single thing pulling off the crank, they don't even have a belt on the crank at all!
These are gross horsepower/torque numbers, not what the factory uses. Factory numbers are SAE Net, that is with all accessories, water pump, fan, alternator, power steering pump, and the air conditioning compressor. So don't be fooled by the numbers here. They are good, but not what you will see in the vehicle with all the accessories pulling off the front of the crank.
Agreed i was thinking the same thing an wondering what would it be … with all the factory stuff on it ? Any idea or good guesses?
And they run their timing locked. Not a single person is going to drive it with locked ignition timing on the streets..
They discovered it had been punched .40 over during tear down so it's bored & stroked. But those numbers on stock everything else just shows what can be accomplished with stock parts.
If it had all accessories and hooked to a 46re trans then yeah its putting down 210hp 330tq to tires 😆
The new numbers seemed way too high... until it dawned on me that the extra cubes cranked up the compression ratio !!! And we don't know the compression heights of the pistons and whether the new ones were also higher up in the bores as well...
If the compression ratio had been the same, the new HP numbers would have barely increased at all, maybe 2 - 10 numbers higher... but torque up by around 50 - 60...
500ftlbs of torque is just insane for a mostly stock engine. Imagine a cam and head swap how much it will add. I bet it will reach 600+ftlbs of torque and 450hp.
@@bigboreracing356 it did.....3 pounds is negligable
@@bigboreracing356 A few hp or lb/ft difference can come from dyno calibration, air humidity, temperature, altitude etc. Dyno numbers are never absolute.
Remember this is with dyno headers and no accessories though, real world will be decently less than that
@@bigboreracing356 the difference between a 4.98 et and a 5.00 et is enormous and could take an additional 200hp to achieve.
The difference between 498 lb/ft and 500 lb/ft is basically nothing and within the margin of error.
You'd probably make up the 2 lb/ft by draining 1/2 a cup of oil out of the pan.
@@bigboreracing356 if you think rounding up 2lb/ft on an almost stock engine has the same significance and rounding your 5 second quarter mile time to high 4's then I think we all know who the idiot is.
Do you use a correction factor on your 5 sec quarter mile time buddy? 😂
That turned out a lot better then I expected. I’d like to see it with a healthy cam and some nice heads to get it up to the numbers it deserves
Yeah... The new numbers seemed way too high... until it dawned on me that the extra cubes cranked up the compression ratio !!!
@@BuzzLOLOL It's a good build and 383 6 packs are really rare. Did he say how long the rods are Yes if not keeping the stock heads might as well go aluminum I had 6 sets of 67 915s all done with hard seats and bronze guides-Serdi valve job
could not get my costs out of them when the Edelbrocks came out Still have a ported set on my motorhome motor
@@jmflournoy386 - Weren't '68 Roadrunner Magnum 383 heads much better than '67 heads?
@@BuzzLOLOL flow about the same. 67 has a better chamber (still lousey) you get some quench 68 works in 440 with KB or similar pistons which are NA off the shelf for 383
Unless you are doing a matching number go AL by the time you do guides and seats there is not much cost difference There are better chambers than Edelbrock and speedmaster but choice depends on your usage Pistons and heads have to work together
I would love to see the part 2, where they switch in a nice street cam to compliment the bottom end.
It's on the website...
Much better outcome than the last 410, 😎
Now put a solid roller and trick flow heads on it
Wow that's a torque machine!
Awesome stuff.
Well not being critical but it is about what one would generally expect to see happen.
The small block Chrysler has a long rod anyhow so the stroke to rod ratio remains OK without too much angularity.the up of 50 cu inches is all due to stroke so of course torque curve starts earlier is flatter and appreciably higher.
Back in 2000 I built a 360 with Edelbrock alum heads and CR.
10 to 1.that engine generated 414 hp and 440 ft lbs of torque with a pretty hot hydraulic flat tappet cam and 2 step headers running an Edelbrock dual plane and a 3310 Holley.
Increase the cubes 50 ci. 50 more ft lbs of torque. On a typical move from a 350 Chev to a 383 with a 6 inch rod watch your torque jump from around 405 to 460 ft lbs even more dramatic 33 more cubes and around 55 ft lbs of torque increase.
Not surprisingly the hp didn't do too much because the heads AND the cam are too small for the cubes.the increase in carb size and the result shows what we already knew or could have guessed.
The CR of course at 10.75 with the iron heads means you re not going to be using 91 octane pump gas as I am able to do with my 10 to 1 alum head motor.
About 4 years ago I screwed together a 408 stroker 360 using the as cast Edelbrock heads a full roller hydraulic valve train 1 step headers and an Indy single plane manifold .
CR was 10 .1 to 1.
That engine dynoed at 495 ft lbs of torque but 502 hp at 5800 rpm. And yes I went to Carillo rods in that engine.
I used a single plane to KILL some torque since the engine was going in a 65 Dart a relatively light car running 3.9 gears.
I don't jerk around with net or gross hp When the engine goes on the dyno I'm running belts and accessories as it's going to be in the car if humanly possible the same headers.
I generally figure around 65 hp for drive train loss and it's usually pretty close when the car goes on the chassis dyno.
It's a nice short block.
I'd probably have Hughes or someone similar CNC port a set of Edelbrocks go to a Harland Sharp roller rocker and stand setup put better than stock rods in the engine and keep it just under 6000 with an appropriately sized hydraulic roller cam.
It would also be interesting to use a FAST EFi system for more precise fuel monitoring and fuel air ratio across the band than is possible with a carb.
Had the builders gone with a lower compres s ion setup in my
opinion it would have made an excellent motor for a 1500 Dodge Ram to haul a one car trailer and car particularly with EFI had the engine been running around 9.75 with the iron heads.
As it is I'm not sure what you d use the engine for.
Valuable information you guys have provided, I will be using this for my next Mopar small block build.
I wish the compression ratio could have stayed the same to get a more even comparison other than the stroker. Obviously higher compression should make more power; all else being equal. Still nice to see back to back comparisons like this.
@Neat Bigs and I get that. I just wish we could see more data. I'm all about numbers and making more direct comparisons.
O’Reilly Auto Parts sells a reman 408 long block under their “Power Torque” brand. I got one when I worked there, employee price was awesome, it was $2100. Non employee I think was 2800. Fully balanced, remanned 360 block, new heads.
The sound of that 360 during the first pull. Music to my ears
very impressive, especially torque! with a cam that thing would blow right through the 400hp mark. These are the true LS fighters, if only more aftermarket parts would start flowing!
There's parts out there for 360's... Eddy heads... and even bigger heads requiring offset rocker arms...
@@BuzzLOLOL I think trick flow makes stuff for them plus you can use Holley efi on it
Impressive… I suppose. LS fighter… eh, I’m not so sure. Stock junkyard 5.3L make 380-385 lb/ft and 350-355hp run on the dyno in similar setup (headers, stock truck intake, no accessories/air cleaner). They also have a similar size cam (191 @ 0.050” intake). Stock 6L LQ4s make 400+hp and 425+ lb/ft, and they’re pretty much the lowest for the 6L (194@0.050” intake)… 440+hp and 460+ lb/ft for rec port headed versions like the LY6 with same 194 cam.
Frankly, the newer hemis are more LS fighter than a 360.
@@stlchucko - Yeah, can't really compare '50-'70's tech engines with '90's and up tech engines...
It's a great motor especially for a A or E body, love those torque numbers but it doesn't stand a chance against an LS. Those numbers are where a stock 6.0L LS starts with 50 less cid, even a cammed 5.3 will make 425 hp all day long.
Strokering the engine is amazing.
Seems that I'm a torque guy!
I understand they just wanted to see what it would do, but they should have put a cam in it. Now if they want to put a cam in it, they have remove all the front stuff, balancer, cover, timing chain, etc. Most everyone would do a cam/stroker kit (extra $375), and then do heads later, that's what makes sense. The way they did it was just a waste of.a stroker kit. But I'm glad they did a before and after dyno run. Everyone remember, the Hp and Tq was Gross, no accessories, subtract ~40hp for water pump, alternator, power steering (A/C), and another 15hp if you're running a clutch ran. Factory 360 magnum was 250hp NET, so with headers, that right where this engine was at.
This right here is the kind of episode I like. Love dyno before and after.
I did an engine swap with my 2000 dakota. Took out the tired 3.9l v6 and put this engine in it. New but stock aftermarket crank since the old one was not compatible with manual NV3500. Stock everything except for the camshaft CCA-20-602-9, same intake they used here with a treated wood 1/2in spacer and avs2650 4bbl carb, which i rebuilt and adjusted to 104main and 116 secondary jets. MSD coil and aeromotive pressure regulator. I have now finally found a video that can give me almost exact numbers. Thank you Powernation so much!!!
I have a 99 5.2 Magnum in a auto Durango I was thinking of swapping into my 96 Ram 3500NV shifted truck. Will the Durangos auto trans crank be a problem?
This high torque low RPM engine would be great in a 4x4 vehicle. Maybe also just add a higher lift cam without getting to radical.
Was just thinking the same thing Victor! It would be perfect in my Jeep Grand Wagoneer that has the AMC 360 in it now that needs to be rebuilt or swapped. It should also bolt right up to the 727 transmission already in it. I need to research this more
too radical. LOL. That cam is radically bad. 192 and 198. lift. For perspective stock 351 cam like mine is 460 lift. My upgrade is 560 and still considered conservative. 192/192 is gawd awefully small. Like WTF small. Who made that crackpot decision at dodge? THAT is why the HP never gets above torque.
@@1982MCI FYI the Wagoneer 727 has a different bell housing pattern than the dodge 727. With that said, I put a dodge 5.9L and 46RH in a fullsize Cherokee and its a great setup.
A truly stock Magnum would have efi, with the "beer keg" intake, and stock exhaust manifolds. Number do not impress
@@starbattles1 those numbers are duration, not lift. Plus, remember its a truck engine, so should have more torque than hp
I'm curious what it would do with the factory efi adapted to that manifold?
This is sort of like the engine my friend built and sold to me in a '94 F250 reg cab 2wd 5 speed manual, it's a 393 stroker AFR 175cc heads with 1.8 rockers, stock 5.0 H/O cam, Lightning lower, Explorer upper, 70mm TB, Longtube Tri-Y headers ran into a single 3.5" exhaust. I figured it must make 350-400hp and at least 500TQ, if stock iron Magnum heads and a cam that small did this on a 410ci, I must have been correct, certainly with more cam, maybe a tiny bit of head porting and /or bigger intake valves, a highrise air gap single plane intake and either an 850cfm carb or Holley Sniper it would be around 500hp+ and 475-525tq. This was very encouraging, I could tell the truck is strong, if you dump the clutch in 2nd it rolls white smoke off a 255/85 16 tire that weighs 80lbs on a steel wheel with an open 3.55 diff and keeps burning out violently after the bang shift to 3nd for 200-300feet at 85mph then finally hooks up in 4th around 100mph. It belonged to the owner of the AHRA, Dallas Brown. I bought it last spring.
What about the 3.9 magnum not a lot of aftermarket support but may be interesting to watch the build to make a lot of power
would be really interesting to see it with a real camshaft in it
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Had a 360 in a 79 Class C motorhome. That engine was bulletproof and we put a significant number of miles on it. Reliable and torque must have been good in stock form since we pulled a car behind it with no noticeable effects. Stopping it with a car on behind was another matter entirely. Great Chrysler chassis on that old motorhome...
'94 & up Magnum 360 a vast improvement over that weak gas hog '79 360 !
It’s crazy the amount of old dodge motor homes you still see on the road
You guys should consider doing a stock early EFI motor and show things you can do with the stock EFI on engines by different manufacturers
I'd love to see this done with EFI. I'm not interested in carburetors. I live where winter is cold and I like to drive my cars all year long
I have the early ond1 EFI on my 92 not much you can do with it
@@jmflournoy386you have stroked 360 running all the factory EFI? How well does it run?
Love the Magnum 360 engine have one in my 98 Dodge Durango it's a beast
Vast improvement over the weak gas hog pre1994 360" !
The 408’s are internally balanced, so you’ll need a non-weighted 318 flex plate or flywheel if you’re working with a 360 setup. The same stroker on the 5.2 318 will make 390ci and you can use the stock flex plate or flywheel.
I remember something my Ex-Father-in-Law said damn near 30 years ago. "If you can't make 400hp with stock parts, you don't need to be building engines." He had a 350 in his old car that put down 310hp and 425lbs. Built in the early '80's to pull campers. 2 spd power glide with the original 283 2 barrel carb. 2.73 rear-end from a '57 Pontiac Safari. Loaded down with tools, he drove from Winston-Salam to Jersey for work and got 20+ mpg. I asked him once why he never swapped in a 350TH. He said it wouldn't hit 3rd until 95 even taking it easy.
Actually a 2 speed PowerGlide is just a TH 350 without a 1st gear... Torque converter was supposed to replace a real 1st gear...
The stock numbers seem to be common place, Holdener got almost the same numbers on a stock 5.9 with headers and the kegger. He late installed and intake, carb & cam then got 417lbs ft and 349hp and lost nothing anywhere. Good engines,
I am doing this exact same build to the 5.7 in my 99 Tahoe. Going from 350 to 383ish depending on the over bore. Going back bone stock other than a set of 1.6 full roller rockers and now I want to stroke the 318 in my D250 also.
The 318 I don't believe gets the respect should.
You guys should do something about the MAX WEDGES ! They were setting 1/4 mile records in 1962. They were the first cars to run 12s and 11s in the 1/4 mile ! In my mined they were the first real muscle cars. I have a factory built 1963 426 MW Savoy. It didnt have a heater , back seat or a radio. And the battery was in the trunk. They were built for one thing kicking everybodys ass at the drag strip. And they did ! LOL
if only more were available. Being made for only 3years makes for very few around and big dollars when they are! One thing you are absolutely right about though....they are badass! Badder than Hemi's in street form.
It was nice to see how this stroker did without changing anything else from stock... Except your intake manifold and carburetor. did the stock even have an 800 carb?
I love seeing the Power Nation crossovers.😎
Nice!
And for the next installment you fine gentleman should run the Victor heads that have already been on the show with a big solid roller.
I’d bet the torque numbers would increase a bunch and the horsepower should be equally impressive but at a higher RPM.
Love to see what a set of ported brodix b1ba's and matching solid roller cam would do here.
As a Mopar fan myself with a la 360, I’m dying to get a stroker kit. The sound is indeed music like no other and with the torque that thing pumps out, oh man. Woohoo
I'm biased towards Ford, but the LA engines like the 318/360 are some of the best sounding I've ever heard. Probably my favorite chrysler engine series
@@Terminxman same. i drool over a 318 with headers. they just sound like a roar.
At first I was really impressed by the stock numbers but then when it was shown to be a fresh reman bored .040 over (which would make it 368 cubic inches) combined with it having dyno headers and the best flowing intake it could possibly see *and* didn't have ANY accessory load, it made more sense. Absolute best case scenario for engine numbers!
Yeah I noticed the same things... Would love to see the same comparison on a junk yard fresh engine with stock manifolds, intake, and distributor... Would be alot more of a true real world test
.454 lift cam with .192 duration, and it being retarded 4 degrees...yea, im impressed.
@@that_sicksix1719 i saw a vid of a guy dynoing a stock 5.9 as it came out of the truck. it was like 285hp. underrated as hell from dodge, just like the 5.2 in my 93 d150. it runs way too hard at 275k for a 230hp motor.
@@frigglebiscuit7484 - Dodge just giving the netHP rating as installed in vehicle...
Just the pre-1971 gross HP numbers... The new numbers seemed way too high... until it dawned on me that the extra cubes cranked up the compression ratio !!! And we don't know the compression heights of the pistons and whether the new ones were also higher up in the bores as well...
If the compression ratio had been the same, the new HP numbers would have barely increased at all, maybe 2 - 10 numbers higher... but torque up by around 50 - 60...
Very nice for start for someone on a tight budget. One step at a time.
Power nation I was already going to do this. you just put my 360 block stocks in jeopardy 🤣
That would sound amazing with a mild cam and an awesome exhaust system
20:14 Might be cool in a Syclone themed Dakota RT based on a regular cab 4wd Dakota since traction would be a major issue.
Kammer&Kammer had a Dakota r/t 5 speed test mule that they were given to try to break the only problem they had was with erratic valve train at high rpm with a rocker arm and beehive valve spring upgrade and a 410 rear gear and some slicks they got the truck to run low 11's consistently without breaking with everything else stockincluding the camshaft back in 1998
Its awesome to see Tommy again
Dang that's good torque.
Nice work, guys. Reminds me of my days at SAM.
Dodge nut; The suggestions | might make are improving air flow. Checking that intake manifold matches heads and polish. Check exhaust pipe for smooth air flow. Check to see whether long or shorter headers changes when the RPM power peak occurs.( old school )
Definitely needs performance camshaft and heads for a stroker build
take that same 360 bore it 40 over add a high flowing set of aftermarket heads and a single plane intake crank the compression up to 14 to 1 and feed it 120 octane fuel with a good drag spec cam it will really wake up and make power numbers like a big block . I know first hand these are the same build specs my late 70's 360 I raced had it would lift the front end off my dart on a hard pack dirt road and carry it 60 yards before coming down . it was an insane build that I wish I still had you got to love Mopar's
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Good to see Tommy. Looking forward to some new Detroit Muscle content. 👍🏾
They should try using something like a piece of thick o-ring or something like that to seal the china rail when they know they will be removing the intake again. I would.
Spacer is a nice touch: saves from milling down divider wall.
So much power with one of the tiniest cams I've ever seen!
This is what I needed when I had my 98 Ram 1500. Of course, it toasted the stock transmission and it had nothing more than a cat back and cool air intake.
I like how its stock, with an Edelbrock RPM intake and an 800cfm carb and full length headers, excellent build, great writeup, but my mopar didnt come with that stuff. 😂
Came here to say the same thing. "Let's see what it does stock with NOTHING but the stroker kit!" "oh and $2500 worth of aftermarket performance gear"
This would make a great engine in a pickup truck. I’ve thought about doing something similar to my 95 f-350 with a 5.8 Windsor.
If I can't find the 7.3 IDI E350 I want, that's the route I'll most likely go as well. Stroke a 5.8 to 408ci with an 'RV' cam to produce gobs of low end torque. More bottom end torque means you need less gear out back for a given tire size and the converter can stay locked in 4th gear longer, resulting in better mileage than stock.
Great video. Hope you decide to add a much bigger cam and trick flow Heads. Really make it sing.
Great vid................. 👍👍👍
Awesome👀....Thanks guy's 👍
We have something to put it in!!
A 1995 Dodge Dakota 4x4 extended cab!
We just put a 98 Durango nine inch rear differential, and 390 ring and pinion front and rear, with a limited slip out back!
It helps, when Stacy David's dad lives just down the road!
This engine in a pre-1972 dart/barracuda/valiant/duster would probably run high 11's in 1/4 1320. Nice to see Tommy love to see another Mopar fan, Expecially when he wants to hear it run just to hear the sound. Chevy's sound has no deep tone like a Mopar. Like a Kitten Roar to a Lion Roar
Stock cylinder heads?
Nice numbers!
I'm definitely going to stroke the tired old 360 in the 80 1 ton Club cab. Unleash the Power of the truck was meant to do.
Pull!
Great video. I'm currently working on 5.9 magnum swap replacing the 2.5 4 cyl in my 97 Jeep TJ.
That'll be a little monster.
this was an excellent idea, now i need to see you do this on a SBF being a long time ford guy
I'm a Ford guy myself, however there's PLENTY of small block Ford content out there. It's nice to see the small block Mopar get some love.
Love mopar and y’all should do 4.7 magnum and upgrade grade it
Technically, he said it was a reman block that was .40 over bore. So with a 408 stroker kit, plus the over bore, you'd be looking at roughly 418 ci of displacement, not the 410 he mentioned.
Nice little torque monster!
My dad had a 360 bored and stroked and wow it woke it up 🔥💯👍💪
I'm paying full attention to this build because I have a 5.9 grand cherokee that I need to rebuild the engine in. This should be fun
Now that’s what I would like to see my 360 do😁😁👍👍
I like the stair step build method. Build from the inside out. With a highway gear, and just a little bit of converter, this could be a fun street/highway ride, and a good tire smoker.
You can do cam and heads when you are able.
Wouldn't need bigger converter with that stock cam...
@@BuzzLOLOL agreed! Getting a converter would be a waste of money. If anything it would hurt performance at this level.
Getting more convinced to get a stroker kit for my Dakota instead of spending a hell lot more on a Hellcat swap
Been looking for a video like this for my 98 SS/T
Very cool test.
I can challenge you with a home for it. It will need a full cats + mufflers exhaust, but will be the Ultimate Sleeper.
RWD conversion to an 01 thru 07 Chrysler Voyager, using the longer body with the AWD, you could even swap out the beam axle for live axle if the stock rear diff isn't up to the torque.
No idea what these guys talk about but it’s still cool to watch, just wish I knew the first thing about this stuff lol
The fact that it made a ton down low shows it’s being choked out up top like they mentioned. Some nice flow upgrades and that thing could be in the 500’s np
I have a dodge Dakota 1994 and i swaped before one month with a 5.9 mopar and an automatic transmission 46re!!! Its a great enjine!!!
TAKE MY MONEY!!! - great vid guys
Nice little striker will get that Grand Cherokee going real quick!
I have a 360 Magnum engine on the stand that has a Scat 408 stroker kit in it and i had to clearance the block. What a pain in the A$$ that was. The rings are poly plasma or something and the oil pump is clearance. I'm now waiting on my high capacity Milodon oil pan to come in that i ordered back in August 2021. I should have it this March. I hope they find a 2002 Dodge ram 1500 to put this engine in and make it run on 87 octane💪
Loved it though gives me good ideas for my poor 2001 ram 4x4
You guys do amazing work and have a great attitude. Nice assortment of engine selection. Soooo Mopar...you know what else is a Mopar? The jeep 2.5 liter 4 cylinder. I think it is the only engine left that you guys have not done...and there is an assortment of parts available (turbo/super charger/stroker kit ) I would like to see you do it cause you will get it right from mild to wild...just saying. Keep up the great builds.
With more lift cam and some spring and rocker arms that would be knocking on the door of 400 hp..
Increased duration>increased lift at least until it gets some alum heads.
@@madmod lol no. i always go for as much lift as possible, right around where the heads flow the most cfm at that lift.
@@frigglebiscuit7484 The low lift limits on the magnum engines are due to the retainer to guide clearance. Consider the fact that the heads dont really flow tremendously well at higher than stock lift, nor can the stock valvetrain handle it what with having bad cases of valve float just past 5500rpms stock. This means completely aftermarket valvetrain just to run a high lift cam. Dodges own 380hp magnum crate used low lift cams, optimized for power where the engine is designed to operate and produced a great torque curve to boot. These heads dont support big power from high lift and the money is better spent elsewhere.
It depends on the application.
The 5.9L in the dodge ram trucks made 230hp and 330ftlbs of torque.
In the Dodge Durango R/T trim and in the 1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.9L Limited, the output was 245hp and 345ftlbs of torque. In 1997 or1998 cant remember now, the Dodge Dakota R/T made 250hp and 350 ftlbs of torque.
I have a 1998 5.9L Jeep Grand Cherokee so I'm watching this and taking notes!!
I have a 97 jeep grand Cherokee with a 5.2 318 and it’s got over 285,000 miles on it. I think that’s what it is but it still runs good. It’s got the magnum heads on it and I didn’t know that when I bought it, I learned how to find that out With uncle Tony’s garage he was talking about the difference between the LA head and the magnum head anyway I’ve gotten up to 23 miles to a gallon and I’m doing right around 20 crews and 75 and 80 on the interstate. Good runner motor all right you guys have a good day I just want to what we like to put a 340 crank in that little 5.2.
I'd like to see you guys do a 6.0 LS LQ4 this same way. Some of us would like to see if you can get similar results since a lot of heavy trucks have this engine.
It would be the same result...
Dude is running 10psi on a 275k mile stock 360 Mag in a 90s ram with a 727 and 3.92 gears and he's pounding in the mid to low 12's. Can't imagine how a stroker could wake one of these up.