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I came across your channel from the Pinkbike comment section and I just have to say what a gem of a channel you have! This is by far one of my favorite MTB channels I have come across in terms of quality, content, and of course hardtail awesomeness!
I finished few months ago my first hardtail build-from-scratch...it's a Ragley Marley, yari 140 (with updated 2021debonair), mrp ramp control, mullet configuration (29" 2.6 front, 27.5+ 2.8 rear), Slx 1x11, shimano xt m8000 brakes and discs (203f, 180r), rental fatbar +40mm handlebar... It's just amazing...I ended up riding it more than my full 160mm even in techy-rough descent.
Giuseppe Scalia I just started my Marley build with a 130mm fox34 29er fork and 20mm rise bars, but I’m sticking to 27.5 front and back. So my geo will be a little more aggressive. GX build, XT brakes, 150 dropper, and custom Rasta themed rims being made right now (hope hubs with 35mm rim and 2.6 minions)
I would have to say it's not that they're underrated, they aren't the money machines like big brands, resulting in them not being able to stretch out the advertising as much.
I was so sold on this bike and missed my chance on this years last restock and my not willing to wait till 2021 butt pulled the trigger on a Big Al! Fingers crossed it's just as lovely. I'll be sure to send Ragley a message about the influence your channel had in me settling on their brand!
when I first got my NProof scout I thought nothing could replace that bike till I built my Marley with a 140 and eagle set up. The Marley is a riot and has given my scout some serious run for the money. I just cant stop riding it.
Hey Steve! I know this goes 4 yrs back but just love the reviews. Busted my R. clavicle on my Sun am road group ride. So now all I can do is salivate when I see ny Roscoe 9 in the garage. At 53 surgery but looking at 3 months. Hope your feeling better, get that rest and we're pulling for your recovery!!
I love mine! This is the review I have been waiting for, before I bought mine I couldn’t find much of a review on it. Decided to just go for it and I’m so happy I did!
Where do you live mang? Get this, there are 3 other Ragley riders here near Cincinnati Dayton area. Crazy fate for such a rare bike brand in the states
@@hardtailparty it's a good bike. I run it with a 140mm 29+ fork, but about to swap it for a 150mm 29er fork. Then I can bump it to 160 if needed, but I doubt it.
@@hardtailparty I don't really love the fork on it, but I love the Geo. So I'm looking for a better fork with roughly the same axle to crown measurement. It's easier to find one that's a 29er with more travel though.
@@hardtailparty I'll keep my eyes open for that. Looking at 29er hardtails, considering a move back to hardtail from my full suss Commencal Meta AM. BFeMAX, Big Wig, Scout 290...too many good bikes to choose from!
Been waiting on my purple Mmmbop frame since early April, on the fence about canceling the order. Not anymore, thanks Steve your review is making the wait seem like it’s worth it. Can’t wait to build this one up.
@@thembrown They came in a couple days ago. The black / grey ones were all gone after about 5 hours, and I think a few small and large pruple ones made it to the next day or so (in my time zone - wouldn't be surprised if the entire stock was gone in less than 24 hours).
You nailed it man. you really do have to be riding this bike at speed to feel in full control. It's less controlled at slower speeds. it's like every time I stop the handlebars drop to the side due to the HTA. not a huge deal, but I could barely ride handless without going 20 miles an hour on a road. Overall, loving mine with 150mm fork and upgraded 35mm rims
My riding buddy rides this bike and he loves it. I’m riding a Nukeproof scout and together we blast down the trails and others look at us and think how is this possible on a hardtail😂🚵🏻👍🤘 Best moment ever. Keep doing this reviews I love it!
Thanks so much for this review! Doing research for a new hardtail for when they come back in stock and have been looking at bikes like the nukeproof scout, commencal meta and mmmbop and I think I might be sold on the mmmbop! great to hear you compare the meta and the mmbop during the ride
hardtail party guys all of us can help with this.... if you love this channel, email companies that you want to see and mention Steve and this channel. You’d be surprised how much value doing that has. I’ve emailed Cotic and went back and forth at length.... and I think Steve just got that Solaris in recently after the BFE!! Let’s help him pump this channel up.
@@hardtailparty Their homepage still runs without SSL encryption (yours too btw) and you have to visit their Facebook page to find proper news. To me this says that marketing isn't their strong suit, unfortunately. Right now it is probably likely that they also simply did not have the stock available for review bikes though. Maybe they can improve on that after things settle down a bit, because the demand for bikes is likely going to go up in the next years, and I think we all want to see well thought out frames like these on the market.
Just ordered one of these. I got the silver color that comes with the Marzocchi Bomber fork. Super pumped to hit the local trails. Thanks for the great review on this bike.
@@JonWMS888 right on. One of the few! You set up stock alerts? I did, and hounded the manufacturer. Daily. Till that one shiny Tuesday at 330am Eastern time. Bam. Got on the site and got the mmmbop !
Nice to see some good reviews on ragley bikes. I've just ordered a big al,sadly it won't be delivered until at least August. It will be my first 'decent' hardtail. I think the ragley's look superb and offer good spec for the money.
@@hardtailparty yeh can't wait to get out on it. It was a toss up between the ragley big al and the sonder transmitter. Same price but the big al won me over on looks.
YES! So glad you managed to get your hands on one of these. I've been interested in Ragley since seeing a Blue Pig in the UK last year. Really enjoyed hearing your opinion on the MMMBOP. Keep up the great work, loving your channel!!
I love the cleanness of having cable tucked away, but I get the preference for external routing. The great thing about this bike is the cable routing is so clean, it wouldn't make me miss internal.
The mmmbop and blue pig are amazing, super aggressive. I'd be really interested to see what you think about the Ribble HT 725. Similar geo, steel and from a company that usually only sells road bikes. If you can get your hands on one, it would be great to see a review.
Same with the dark grey one for me. Keep an eye out, they expect a charge for the end of this month or the beginning of the next. As far as I can tell they will probably sell out very quickly though - so don't hesitate if you see it available.
@@jeffloucks2120 color is American English and colour is British English. The purple looks hot (especially on the proper photos, not the white ones), but I have too much of a fetish for black stuff, which as far as aggressive hardtails go is very rare this year. Kinda why I might jump on it, if I can get the chance, despite having no idea how to build a bike.
@@rol9832 AWESOME! Sadly the Blue Pig that i will build is probably not going to be anywhere under 14kg heavy but hey it will have other things going for it as steel is absorbing vibrations more for example.
I just built up the steel version of this bike, the 2020 Blue Pig, with a 150mm fork and Eagle. I built it with a bunch of spare parts I have in the garage with the intention of selling it. If I didn't already have a hardtail I would be keeping it.
Don't know if this is of any interest to anyone but... I got a new, Large Mmmbop frame (Parma Violet 😍) last week and built it with 27.5" wheels with the idea to run it 'stock' at first just to get a feel for it and then with a mullet setup. I rode it on some muddy, flat trails close to home which aren't that testing but a start. I'm running Fox Rhythm 34mm,130mm travel forks which will steepen the seat tube angle a bit. It's slack enough at the front as it comes. Front tyre was a Nobby Nic 2.25" x 27.5" and rear was a Maxxis Shorty 2.3" x 27.5" both on 30mm internal rim widths. The bike felt good but hard work through the boggy trails. I got a 'base' feel after riding about 6 miles. Then back home to swap bits. Switching to a mullet setup, the front tyre is a Bontrager XR4 2.4" x 29" on a 25mm internal rim width wheel and a Bontrager XR4 2.8" x 27.5" on the same 30mm wheel as earlier. The Mmmbop immediately felt better on the front. Slightly slacker steering/seat tube angles but I didn't really notice that. The bigger tyre on the front could account for the grip but the steering of the bike felt much better. The rear felt good as well, not so much for extra grip but seemed to roll faster even though the XR4 is over 100g heavier than the Shorty 2.3". I'm going to ride it on some proper off road trails next and will update this post as to how it feels out in the wild.
Great review, never heard of this bike before and that’s what makes your channel great 👍!!! Awesome job keep the videos coming your subscribers are climbing this channel is getting bigger and better!!!!!
I love my Ragley Big Wig. I had bought a second hand Niner WFO9 that had some great parts like a 150mm Fox 34. When a weld broke in the BB area on the Niner, I got a Big Wig frame and swapped most of the parts over (minus adding TRP Slant T4 brakes, a new dropper (due to different seat post sides) and new rear wheel). It has been excellent and haven't missed a full squish at all.
Great review. I'm looking at building a single speed hardtail later this year, and have been looking at using the MMMBOP frame. I think this review has settled it for me, thank you for reviewing it.
Man, watching those hardtails at sedona makes me very excited for when i can purchase the nukeproof scout 275 expert. What's your favorite travel range for a hardtail.
You have to kinda hate yourself a little bit to take a hardtail on those trails but a great testing ground for checking frame compliance, I’m thankful for Steve doing the hard miles for us, I’m looking at a ragley Marley for my local easy trails that are overbiked with my FS giant trance
Been waiting for this One!! It is an Awesome Frame for the Price! My Gf Just Got Her's built up to a rideable state with a few Old Parts from her last bike. she's got size Small in a Beautiful Purple paint.. got a great Deal on Spank oozy wheel set and she got 150mm Marzocchi Bomber Z2 fork solid HT build still not fully done with her customizing..
I was able to pick up a 2019 frame for more than reasonable price and serves as my super budget build with only a 1x10 setup (11-42). Off the back, I noticed a difference from my previous 2010 rockhopper. Not as much vibration and harshness. Much kudos to the builders and satisfied although I missed a deal for a production privee frame. Thanks again for the review, haven't completed build so this review helps alot. Would love to see if you can get a Marino frame review.
Marino isn't interested in sending me a frame at this time. Unfortunately production privee has pretty short reach and outdated geo on their models. I hope they make a revised frame, because tgier Shan gt has the coolest chainstays around.
Totally agree with your analysis here. My daily driver is an Mmmbop and it is so much fun. If you're looking for an underforked ragley try the one designed for 130mm of travel, the Marley.
Well, I just ordered the Vitus Nucleus. It was honestly the main bike I was looking at. Waited almost 2 months and settled with the VR instead of the VRS. Didn't even see this bike when I was looking around.
Great review. Just got my mmmbop and love it!! It does it all. I may try a 140mm fork in the future, but really enjoying the 150! So forgiving and comfortable, it doesn't fight you at all, it parties, it's smooth and does all the work. Thanks Steve!!
The Marley has the 130mm fork, 65.5° with the same CS at 425mm. I just picked up a frame. I hope the frame ride as well as this Mmmbop you reviewed. Great review btw, thanks Steve and to Chris for lending his bike for us viewers... 👊
@@michaelderr9736 - I have both Marley and Mmmbop. I would suggest the Marley. The Mmmbop's front end feels high and you can feel that SA is steep. Lowering the fork makes the SA feel even more steep. The Marley to me, is balance. My weight is dead center and the SA/Reach is spot on.
@@tjay_mac have you ever ridden a Big Al in comparison to the Marley? @hardtailparty's review of the Big Al is glowing i just feel like i'd like the 27.5 more (i really need to ride some to compare)
@@S1XTY7 , I haven't unfortunately. Only the Specialized Fuse 29 for an aluminum HT. If I was to buy a HT now, I would buy the Big Al only because of the resale value. If you like to run plus tires (2.6-2.8), I would go with the Marley. If you like 2.4-2.5, I would go with Big Al. The Plus tires tends to have this bouncy feel while the 2.5-2.5 tires have this damped feel to them (MaxxTerra or MaxxGrip compounds btw).
Absolutely ecstatic for this review! Been super curious what you would think of it and delightfully surprised with how much you enjoyed it. Thank you for all that you do, you're amazing. I thought it was awesome that you mentioned how you could just forget about the bike and just ride and enjoy. My ragley Marley has the same effect for me which I absolutely love, allows me to enjoy myself more and focus on having fun and building skills to become a better rider. Don't worry about energy levels in your voice, as someone who rides every day(kind of a necessity for testing new sections of trail and features on my local trails that I build on that recently got legitimized through our park district 👍) it's hard to always seem like a ball of energy and besides you're more of a beast than most especially riding ss
Thanks man. I'd love to try a marley one day, it looks like a fantastic trail bike. I'm gravitating more towards 130mm forks anyway on my hardtails, and it looks like a great match.
@@hardtailparty if you think you could review a small frame with basic spec I'm sure we could figure a way I could ship mine for you to try. Realize it's not ideal for you and you probably have better methods and access to test bikes but the offer always stands. Absolutely love the channel and all the knowledge you offer.
Thanks for the great review, I've been so exited for it ever since you made the first look video. I have one question tho, did you feel like it was too slack at times? Do you think it would be fun with a 140mm on flatter connector trails or does it just want to bomb downhill? Thank you for the great content, keep it up!
If you're worried the mmmbop is too slack, take a look at the marley. I've never ridden a Marley, but in my head I imagine it to be the perfect all-rounder. I find I rarely need more than 130mm of travel on a hardtail.
@@hardtailparty Yeah, you are probably right. The mmmbop does have a bit more reach, stack and a steeper STa tho but if I'm being honest, I just don't like the paint job the Marleys with 4 extra colors thrown in just for the branding. The mmmbop is just so much cleaner and slicker in compassion. Thanks for the advice, I might reconsider it after all.
@@rauldragu9447 pick the right geo for your trails. I wouldn't let looks be the determining factor. That's just me though. I had a lot of pedal strikes even with a 160mm fork on here. I imagine I'd have a lot more with a 140. I still love this mmmbop though. Look at it like a win win. I wonder if sizing up on a Marley would do the trick? You've got a great point about the different geo though. Mmmbop feels fantastic, I just think it'd be even snappier with a slightly shorter fork.
Thank you verry much for this review! I preordered the 2021 frame and i am verry excited about the build up and the ride in summer! thanks for your content :)
Great channel/content! That bike looks sweet in a polished frame but I still love my 2 year old Chameleon (your review sealed the deal) Those trails look like a western movie set!
I think a mullet mmbop would be rad. The danger of going with a Marley is that a Marley is specced with a 27.5 fork. Keep in mind that a 29er fork has a 20mm taller atc than a 27.5 fork.
@@hardtailparty Isn't an mmmbop also specced with a 27.5 fork? Or is it because it has a 150mm 27.5 fork you could then use a 130mm 29er fork on the mmmbop to keep angles the same? Vs 130mm 27 on the marley?
Steve, this is awesome. Been looking for inexpensive bike yet capable for my teenage son (still growing). Been looking at Ragley, Nukeproof, and Vitus for modern geo. Thanks for riding one ... and giving honest feedback.
I'm a huge fan of Ragley, especially their aluminum bikes. This one is perfect for shredders who aren't super tall. Little guys (like me) often struggle with the size of 29er wheels.
@@hardtailparty sweet feedback. I was wondering about 29ers being too big. Really enjoyed your review of the Ragley mmmbop. Also your video on the low supply. Well done. Keep rocking.
You might also try the new Marzocchi Z2. It is much less costly than Fox's other forks, and has a simpler, more user serviceable damper. I bet your buddy is ready for his bike back! Hey, as long as the single speed doesn't trash your knees... I tried single speed once, 15 years ago, glad I dumped it like a hot rock. It stressed my knees too much, especially hard climbs. Here I am 15 years later, and my knees are doing ok.
Nice review. I almost bought 1 of these to build up in lock-down, gutted I didn't now Apparently the alloy (mmm bop) frame rides better than the steal (blue pig) model be good to see a back to back review
I'd love tondo a back to back. Unfortunately ragley is out of bikes right now and I can't get my hands on a blue pig. I wouldn't be surprised if this rode better than the pig. This frame feels better than most steel frames.
I got a stock alert for a mmmbop frame on a famous ecommerce site, came here to watch review, back to site and i just bought last one in stock! These sell like popcorn :) will try a mullet experiment with 140 fork
I've heard you say the Blue pig is the steel version of the Mmmbop and it's actually attainable currently. Wondering how compliant it is vs other steel frames.
A quick unrelated question - is it feasible for you to travel to areas like forests etc? It would be really interesting to see you apply your great pinch climbing, downhill and rock hopping skills to other technical terrain :)
Nice riding man. Those trails look so fun. I'm debating between the mmmbop and the marely. My local trails are mostly flat here in florida but I travel to NC and TN alot so not sure if I should go with the slacker mmmbop or the marely. Thoughts?
I’ve got a 160mm pike on mine. Already bought a 140mm air spring before I watched this. My only concern is more pedal strikes if I lower the travel. Bit other than that, I love it. 👍
Good review. I have the bluepig (steel same geo) and a riding buddy has the mmmbop. Bluepig is more compliant but heavier (swings and roundabouts). You can't go wrong with a Ragley.
Interesting. Some people say the mmmbop is more compliant and some say the blue pig is more compliant. i hope I get to try the blue pig, big wig, marley, and big al out someday.
Amazing, you got the review out on my birthday! Quick question, how different is the mmmbop to the Specialized Fuse? Interesting you say that maybe 150mm could be too much for the mmmbop as this is what the full bike ships with (Sektor)!
See the previous video when I go over this bike's build. The bike in this video has a 160mm fork, not a 150 (it's not a stock ragley build). I talk about how it compares to the specialized fuse in this video. They ride pretty different.
@@hardtailparty Yeah I watched that, it was a really good break down! I must have missed the Fuse comparison. I'm aiming to buy my first hardcore hardtail and stock shortages aside, it's hard to decide which one to go with! I'm 6'5" and I live in a small town so there's no chance of trying anything XL first. Your video has me interested in the mmmbop again, I was looking at the Fuse, Scout 290 or the Ragley Big Al (all 29ers)!
My friend Omar at Bike Bondsman can get a Ragley Big Al for you still (they're not all 100% sold out yet). Hit him up and let him know I sent you: bit.ly/2YczCZ7
Great content. As always, never enough of a good thing. Any info on the Cannondale Cujo1. Got one on the way and can’t find an opinion on it. Thank you for all your work on this channel!
I don't have any plans to review the cujo 1, sorry. Awful spec for the price, and it's got outdated sketchy geo. I hate to rag on your bike. If you like it, that's all that matters. But these modern hardtails I'm reviewing will ride SO MUCH BETTER than a Cujo 1.
@@wolfteeth the timberjack is the best out of those 3. I have a review of the timberjack. It's a great starter hardtail. I prefer bikes a little more modern and aggressive but the timberjack is a nice bike.
Good stuff. Not new, just tryin to update my ride. Much has changed since the 90’s. Big wheels, 1x drive, “modern geometry”, electricity!!! You are awesome for chatting with me. Thank you.
Would you say this bike is equal parts playful and plow? I want a fun hardtail to complement my Ibis Ripmo AF. Mmmbop has smaller wheels, less reach, and shorter wheelbase. What do you think?
hey mate what are your thoughts on hardtail with Yari vs some more premium forks with the RCT3 damper? I am a 150mm revelation owner thinking about damper upgrade in the future! great review on this bike as well as usual..
Your killing me on choices lol..bit I have a plan to make a hybrid.. Do you like a stiffer front or a softer front? And between the paradox V3, middle child and this, which is softest up front and which is stiffest I think I'm going custom TI frame
Hi. Thanks for review! I bought my mmmbop used and love it. I also have been thinking I want to go from 150mm to 140mm. What 140mm fork would you recommend?
Hi, did you ever switch to 140? I bought a second hand Mmpob and it came with a 160 which, like Steve, I think is too long. I'm thinking of switching it out for a 140 and was curious to hear from someone who would have done that.
MIllion thanks for the great view! The info in the review is just spot on!! Looking for a aggressive HT and I just saw this frame back in stock. I am about to pull the trigger. However, I come from Roadbike background from many years and i decided to try something new. It will be my first MTB and I have no idea on the MTB geo...My height is exactly 170cm. From the geo chart. I am right in the middle of size S and M...so I have no idea on which size to choose. You are ride a size medium, may I know how tall are you? and how do you feel riding this size?
Kool video, but could you please explain what you mean by steer with your feet. would be better if you could demonstrate this, maybe its me I just don't understand what you mean. Thanks.
It's an advanced technique that a lot of people don't know how to do. It's similar to skiing or surfing on the bike. You actually steer by shifting your feet, rather than just turning the bars. People who turn the bars only to steer won't like this bike. People that know how to steer the bike with their feet will love how this bike rides.
Great review 😁 currently trying to decide what frame to go for to build a hardtail from scratch. Have been considering the Piglet but can't find much in the way of reviews. Any plans to ride one in the near future?
I had the 2019 Mmmbop in Medium (same geo as 2020) and replaced it with a 2020 Blue Pig in Large back in Feb. I'm 5'10 and a bit. I bent the Alu downtube riding into a tree head on at speed. Both are brilliant frames for the price IMO, although there are lighter, better, more expensive steel alternatives. You've got to pay a lot more to notice it though. The ride quality is fairly similar between them, which shows how well they've have made the Alu frame, but the steel is more compliant and stronger. The size and weight change was far far more noticeable than the frame material change when I swapped. I run a pretty progressive 150mm Pike, and definitely wouldn't want 160mm. A less progressive 140mm fork would work well too. The geo means it loves the steeps, really love it. But it's great on everything. Only time I want a full sus, or a 29er, is over repeated square edged hits or super greasy roots, but I'm running 2.35 tyres and some 2.6's at lower pressure would help that a bit.
@@Nit2315 my Large chromoly Blue Pig frame is nearly 0.5kg heavier on the scales than a similar sized 853 frame. Makes it comparatively more planted and stable, and less playful and lively.
So, I'm curious, what hardtail would you recommend that blurs the lines between Trail and XC? Something comfortable on intermediate trails but really rips when you want to race? One other detail, I'm finding I really like a more upright riding position, so I've added riser bars and a big riser stem to my XTC. It looks a little goofy, but, way more comfortable. I've been binge watching your vids, man, so many choices, I had no idea! I'm really enjoying all the reviews and all the info, you're doing a great job!
You mention running 2.8 tires on this bike but the Ragley website states the max tire width for this frame (and the Marley which I'm looking at) at 2.6. Is there no problem fitting a 2.8?
I've just finished building up an Mmmbop frame, and my word, does this thing looked like a raked out sled. I'm a bit worried it's too long and slack and I should have gone with the Ragely Marley frame instead. The proof will be in the riding I guess, but I may end up swapping everything out to the Marley instead.
So, mmmbop vs big Al for your type trails? sounds like you enjoyed the Bop, but had more fun on the Al? Which do you think absorbs more of the vibrations?
I have a 2017 mmmbop and until recently had always ridden it with the 2.25 tires it came with, I just upgraded to 2.3. I am wondering though, could I fit 2.8’s? It doesn’t seem like they would fit, could be wrong. And would they even fit on my 23 mm wheels?
@@hardtailpartyI've been researching that frame for sometime I currently have a 2019 solid timberjack that I can probably switch most of my parts from thanks for the reply I'm looking at either that frame or the Ragley Big Al
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I came across your channel from the Pinkbike comment section and I just have to say what a gem of a channel you have! This is by far one of my favorite MTB channels I have come across in terms of quality, content, and of course hardtail awesomeness!
Thank you so much! I really appreciate the kind words. I'm glad people spoke up on pinkbike and recommended it.
I finished few months ago my first hardtail build-from-scratch...it's a Ragley Marley, yari 140 (with updated 2021debonair), mrp ramp control, mullet configuration (29" 2.6 front, 27.5+ 2.8 rear), Slx 1x11, shimano xt m8000 brakes and discs (203f, 180r), rental fatbar +40mm handlebar... It's just amazing...I ended up riding it more than my full 160mm even in techy-rough descent.
Giuseppe Scalia I just started my Marley build with a 130mm fox34 29er fork and 20mm rise bars, but I’m sticking to 27.5 front and back. So my geo will be a little more aggressive. GX build, XT brakes, 150 dropper, and custom Rasta themed rims being made right now (hope hubs with 35mm rim and 2.6 minions)
“That’s an interesting place to park your bikes”. Loved that
ragley is so underrated
Most d e f. Big wig in blue is sick
@@radagascar1 oh snap you got dem big wiggs? March 2020 shipment, or.?
I just built a bigwig up on 29”s with an mrp Ribbon this bike is dope
Their geometry is near perfection imo. It is pretty hard to source these bikes irl. I have to purchase online as there are no dealers in New Zealand.
I would have to say it's not that they're underrated, they aren't the money machines like big brands, resulting in them not being able to stretch out the advertising as much.
I was so sold on this bike and missed my chance on this years last restock and my not willing to wait till 2021 butt pulled the trigger on a Big Al! Fingers crossed it's just as lovely. I'll be sure to send Ragley a message about the influence your channel had in me settling on their brand!
How are you enjoying your big al?
when I first got my NProof scout I thought nothing could replace that bike till I built my Marley with a 140 and eagle set up. The Marley is a riot and has given my scout some serious run for the money. I just cant stop riding it.
I really want to try a maley. On paper it looks like the perfect all rounder. Which bike has the harsher frame between the two?
Hey Steve! I know this goes 4 yrs back but just love the reviews. Busted my R. clavicle on my Sun am road group ride. So now all I can do is salivate when I see ny Roscoe 9 in the garage. At 53 surgery but looking at 3 months. Hope your feeling better, get that rest and we're pulling for your recovery!!
You sold me this bike ! I’ve had it for 2 months! Very very happy! Thanks bro!
I love mine! This is the review I have been waiting for, before I bought mine I couldn’t find much of a review on it. Decided to just go for it and I’m so happy I did!
Where do you live mang? Get this, there are 3 other Ragley riders here near Cincinnati Dayton area. Crazy fate for such a rare bike brand in the states
I just recently built a Bigwig. I love it. I love long slack hardtails. And surprisingly, it climbs tech REALLY well.
I hope to try a bigwig soon.
@@hardtailparty it's a good bike. I run it with a 140mm 29+ fork, but about to swap it for a 150mm 29er fork. Then I can bump it to 160 if needed, but I doubt it.
I think i'd run it with a 140mm myself. I perfer 120-140mm forks on my hardtails.
@@hardtailparty I don't really love the fork on it, but I love the Geo. So I'm looking for a better fork with roughly the same axle to crown measurement. It's easier to find one that's a 29er with more travel though.
@@hardtailparty I'll keep my eyes open for that. Looking at 29er hardtails, considering a move back to hardtail from my full suss Commencal Meta AM. BFeMAX, Big Wig, Scout 290...too many good bikes to choose from!
Been waiting on my purple Mmmbop frame since early April, on the fence about canceling the order. Not anymore, thanks Steve your review is making the wait seem like it’s worth it. Can’t wait to build this one up.
It's worth it.
They said on instagram that new frames are due end of July
@@thembrown They came in a couple days ago. The black / grey ones were all gone after about 5 hours, and I think a few small and large pruple ones made it to the next day or so (in my time zone - wouldn't be surprised if the entire stock was gone in less than 24 hours).
You nailed it man. you really do have to be riding this bike at speed to feel in full control. It's less controlled at slower speeds. it's like every time I stop the handlebars drop to the side due to the HTA. not a huge deal, but I could barely ride handless without going 20 miles an hour on a road. Overall, loving mine with 150mm fork and upgraded 35mm rims
My riding buddy rides this bike and he loves it. I’m riding a Nukeproof scout and together we blast down the trails and others look at us and think how is this possible on a hardtail😂🚵🏻👍🤘 Best moment ever.
Keep doing this reviews I love it!
@Neliq I'd say the mmmbop as it has a 63.75 degree head angle and a longer fork.
Thanks so much for this review! Doing research for a new hardtail for when they come back in stock and have been looking at bikes like the nukeproof scout, commencal meta and mmmbop and I think I might be sold on the mmmbop! great to hear you compare the meta and the mmbop during the ride
I'm also interested in the Marley/piglet. I think I'd be happy with any bike in ragley's lineup. They're killing it.
@@hardtailparty Just got a Piglet, loving it so far. About to swap to 2.4s front and rear - the 2.6s are a pretty draggy for the trails round here.
@@hardtailparty Do review the Piglet! I just got one and am curious how you'd set it up.
That was an awesome review. Can’t tell you how important your reviews are especially with many of these companies being direct to consumer.
Thanks. I only wish the companies themselves knew the value of them so I could get more bikes for review. Thanks for watching.
Best mtb channel on the youtube
You guys rock, thanks for watching. It's comments like these that keep me going.
hardtail party guys all of us can help with this.... if you love this channel, email companies that you want to see and mention Steve and this channel. You’d be surprised how much value doing that has. I’ve emailed Cotic and went back and forth at length.... and I think Steve just got that Solaris in recently after the BFE!! Let’s help him pump this channel up.
@@hardtailparty Their homepage still runs without SSL encryption (yours too btw) and you have to visit their Facebook page to find proper news. To me this says that marketing isn't their strong suit, unfortunately.
Right now it is probably likely that they also simply did not have the stock available for review bikes though. Maybe they can improve on that after things settle down a bit, because the demand for bikes is likely going to go up in the next years, and I think we all want to see well thought out frames like these on the market.
I've been waiting anxiously for this review. Was curious to see your thoughts on it. The Ragley punches well above its class. 🤘
This is my favorite hardtail I've tried for under $600 (frame price).
You may be tired but we can still get a sense of your excitement and we can tell when you like a bike! Great work!
Ordered my mmmbop complete yesterday. Largely because of this review. I can't wait!
Just ordered one of these. I got the silver color that comes with the Marzocchi Bomber fork. Super pumped to hit the local trails. Thanks for the great review on this bike.
Calls for a 150 so your spot on. They were out of mmmbop so i got the marley and slapped a 140 on it. Feels mint
I am gonna get a Marley frame because they are out of stock on mmmbop frames everywhere. Are you able to fit 2.8 tires on the Marley?
I have one these in purple and I ride it more than my canyon strive
Where did you buy yours?
@@Kamren256 Frame was purchased via Chain Reaction Cycles back in March or April.
@@JonWMS888 right on. One of the few! You set up stock alerts? I did, and hounded the manufacturer. Daily. Till that one shiny Tuesday at 330am Eastern time. Bam. Got on the site and got the mmmbop !
Mesa3077Boogie no I was just browsing frames, saw it and clicked buy
@@JonWMS888 I'm thinking of buying this bike on top bike do u recommend this bike?
Nice to see some good reviews on ragley bikes. I've just ordered a big al,sadly it won't be delivered until at least August. It will be my first 'decent' hardtail. I think the ragley's look superb and offer good spec for the money.
The Big Al is the ragley that interests me the most in their line. Congrats! I hope to get one to review soon.
@@hardtailparty yeh can't wait to get out on it. It was a toss up between the ragley big al and the sonder transmitter. Same price but the big al won me over on looks.
YES! So glad you managed to get your hands on one of these. I've been interested in Ragley since seeing a Blue Pig in the UK last year. Really enjoyed hearing your opinion on the MMMBOP. Keep up the great work, loving your channel!!
I love the cleanness of having cable tucked away, but I get the preference for external routing. The great thing about this bike is the cable routing is so clean, it wouldn't make me miss internal.
The mmmbop and blue pig are amazing, super aggressive.
I'd be really interested to see what you think about the Ribble HT 725. Similar geo, steel and from a company that usually only sells road bikes. If you can get your hands on one, it would be great to see a review.
I've reached out to Ribble several times but no luck.
Almost finished building my new Mmmbop up and just checked this review. Glad to see I made a good choice!
I’ve just picked up a 2023 frame for cheap so am looking forward to building it up.
Great review and I loved the category slide bar!
love your channel Steve, even though I don't ride hardtails, it's nice to learn about their ride characteristics
I also want to get one. The Purple one is basically my dream frame for a HT.
Same with the dark grey one for me.
Keep an eye out, they expect a charge for the end of this month or the beginning of the next. As far as I can tell they will probably sell out very quickly though - so don't hesitate if you see it available.
@@Dark__Thoughts I'd take either color (colour?) :)
@@jeffloucks2120 color is American English and colour is British English.
The purple looks hot (especially on the proper photos, not the white ones), but I have too much of a fetish for black stuff, which as far as aggressive hardtails go is very rare this year. Kinda why I might jump on it, if I can get the chance, despite having no idea how to build a bike.
Just ordered the purple one cant wait
@@rol9832 AWESOME! Sadly the Blue Pig that i will build is probably not going to be anywhere under 14kg heavy but hey it will have other things going for it as steel is absorbing vibrations more for example.
I just built up the steel version of this bike, the 2020 Blue Pig, with a 150mm fork and Eagle. I built it with a bunch of spare parts I have in the garage with the intention of selling it. If I didn't already have a hardtail I would be keeping it.
Don't know if this is of any interest to anyone but...
I got a new, Large Mmmbop frame (Parma Violet 😍) last week and built it with 27.5" wheels with the idea to run it 'stock' at first just to get a feel for it and then with a mullet setup. I rode it on some muddy, flat trails close to home which aren't that testing but a start. I'm running Fox Rhythm 34mm,130mm travel forks which will steepen the seat tube angle a bit. It's slack enough at the front as it comes.
Front tyre was a Nobby Nic 2.25" x 27.5" and rear was a Maxxis Shorty 2.3" x 27.5" both on 30mm internal rim widths. The bike felt good but hard work through the boggy trails. I got a 'base' feel after riding about 6 miles. Then back home to swap bits.
Switching to a mullet setup, the front tyre is a Bontrager XR4 2.4" x 29" on a 25mm internal rim width wheel and a Bontrager XR4 2.8" x 27.5" on the same 30mm wheel as earlier.
The Mmmbop immediately felt better on the front. Slightly slacker steering/seat tube angles but I didn't really notice that. The bigger tyre on the front could account for the grip but the steering of the bike felt much better. The rear felt good as well, not so much for extra grip but seemed to roll faster even though the XR4 is over 100g heavier than the Shorty 2.3".
I'm going to ride it on some proper off road trails next and will update this post as to how it feels out in the wild.
Great review, never heard of this bike before and that’s what makes your channel great 👍!!! Awesome job keep the videos coming your subscribers are climbing this channel is getting bigger and better!!!!!
Check em out man. My mmmbop's hella COVID-19 man
I love my Ragley Big Wig. I had bought a second hand Niner WFO9 that had some great parts like a 150mm Fox 34. When a weld broke in the BB area on the Niner, I got a Big Wig frame and swapped most of the parts over (minus adding TRP Slant T4 brakes, a new dropper (due to different seat post sides) and new rear wheel). It has been excellent and haven't missed a full squish at all.
Rock on! welcome to the party
Those trail sections through the trees etc - that was awesome footage. Looks like such a fun section(s) of trail to shred through!
It's a really fun trail.
Great review. I'm looking at building a single speed hardtail later this year, and have been looking at using the MMMBOP frame. I think this review has settled it for me, thank you for reviewing it.
Are you going to use an ebb or a chain tensioner pulley?
@@hardtailpartyProbably a pulley. I've got my Laufey set up as single at the moment, and that thus far doesn't seem to need it, weirdly.
Great review like always and for making the trails look easy.
Man, watching those hardtails at sedona makes me very excited for when i can purchase the nukeproof scout 275 expert. What's your favorite travel range for a hardtail.
120-130mm
You have to kinda hate yourself a little bit to take a hardtail on those trails but a great testing ground for checking frame compliance, I’m thankful for Steve doing the hard miles for us, I’m looking at a ragley Marley for my local easy trails that are overbiked with my FS giant trance
Been waiting for this One!! It is an Awesome Frame for the Price! My Gf Just Got Her's built up to a rideable state with a few Old Parts from her last bike. she's got size Small in a Beautiful Purple paint.. got a great Deal on Spank oozy wheel set and she got 150mm Marzocchi Bomber Z2 fork solid HT build still not fully done with her customizing..
I have a Ragley Piglet. It's a 130mm travel steel bike. Also a bike that is more in control the faster you go. Its fantastic.
I was able to pick up a 2019 frame for more than reasonable price and serves as my super budget build with only a 1x10 setup (11-42). Off the back, I noticed a difference from my previous 2010 rockhopper. Not as much vibration and harshness. Much kudos to the builders and satisfied although I missed a deal for a production privee frame. Thanks again for the review, haven't completed build so this review helps alot. Would love to see if you can get a Marino frame review.
Marino isn't interested in sending me a frame at this time. Unfortunately production privee has pretty short reach and outdated geo on their models. I hope they make a revised frame, because tgier Shan gt has the coolest chainstays around.
Good to know for the privee. Thanks, keep up the good work.
Love your reviews, glad i discovered your channel who helps me to choose my next bike 😊
Do you prefer the mmmbop or the Middlechild aluminium V2 ?
Would love to see a review and the Nukeproof Scout 27.5
Totally agree with your analysis here. My daily driver is an Mmmbop and it is so much fun. If you're looking for an underforked ragley try the one designed for 130mm of travel, the Marley.
I have a hunch I'd LOVE the marley.
@@hardtailparty good to know!
Well, I just ordered the Vitus Nucleus. It was honestly the main bike I was looking at. Waited almost 2 months and settled with the VR instead of the VRS. Didn't even see this bike when I was looking around.
Did you get your nucleus yet, and what do you think about it, now that you have it?
That was very entertaining, would 140mm on the front disrupt the frames geometry, Ragley suggests 150 -160mm
Great review. Just got my mmmbop and love it!! It does it all. I may try a 140mm fork in the future, but really enjoying the 150! So forgiving and comfortable, it doesn't fight you at all, it parties, it's smooth and does all the work. Thanks Steve!!
It's a special bike, congrats.
Been wanting to build up a hardtail for a while. Found the Mmmbop cheap and after this review, it was a no brainer.
Congrats, it's a cool bike.
The Marley has the 130mm fork, 65.5° with the same CS at 425mm. I just picked up a frame. I hope the frame ride as well as this Mmmbop you reviewed. Great review btw, thanks Steve and to Chris for lending his bike for us viewers... 👊
I'm thinking of getting a Marley too. How do you like yours so far? Does it compare to the Mmmbop review?
@@michaelderr9736 - I have both Marley and Mmmbop. I would suggest the Marley. The Mmmbop's front end feels high and you can feel that SA is steep. Lowering the fork makes the SA feel even more steep. The Marley to me, is balance. My weight is dead center and the SA/Reach is spot on.
@@tjay_mac Great, thanks for the input!
@@tjay_mac have you ever ridden a Big Al in comparison to the Marley? @hardtailparty's review of the Big Al is glowing i just feel like i'd like the 27.5 more (i really need to ride some to compare)
@@S1XTY7 , I haven't unfortunately. Only the Specialized Fuse 29 for an aluminum HT. If I was to buy a HT now, I would buy the Big Al only because of the resale value.
If you like to run plus tires (2.6-2.8), I would go with the Marley. If you like 2.4-2.5, I would go with Big Al. The Plus tires tends to have this bouncy feel while the 2.5-2.5 tires have this damped feel to them (MaxxTerra or MaxxGrip compounds btw).
maybe you could review a NS Eccentric Alu in the future.
I know it stand for North Shore, but I feel I should not ride them in Germany, especially not in combination with an Osprey Backpack.
Thanks Chris to lend out his Ragley.
Absolutely ecstatic for this review! Been super curious what you would think of it and delightfully surprised with how much you enjoyed it. Thank you for all that you do, you're amazing. I thought it was awesome that you mentioned how you could just forget about the bike and just ride and enjoy. My ragley Marley has the same effect for me which I absolutely love, allows me to enjoy myself more and focus on having fun and building skills to become a better rider. Don't worry about energy levels in your voice, as someone who rides every day(kind of a necessity for testing new sections of trail and features on my local trails that I build on that recently got legitimized through our park district 👍) it's hard to always seem like a ball of energy and besides you're more of a beast than most especially riding ss
Thanks man. I'd love to try a marley one day, it looks like a fantastic trail bike. I'm gravitating more towards 130mm forks anyway on my hardtails, and it looks like a great match.
@@hardtailparty if you think you could review a small frame with basic spec I'm sure we could figure a way I could ship mine for you to try. Realize it's not ideal for you and you probably have better methods and access to test bikes but the offer always stands. Absolutely love the channel and all the knowledge you offer.
Thanks for the kind offer. I'd need a medium or a large (probably a large) for how I like to ride. I hope to get ahold of one eventually.
Thanks for the great review, I've been so exited for it ever since you made the first look video. I have one question tho, did you feel like it was too slack at times? Do you think it would be fun with a 140mm on flatter connector trails or does it just want to bomb downhill? Thank you for the great content, keep it up!
If you're worried the mmmbop is too slack, take a look at the marley. I've never ridden a Marley, but in my head I imagine it to be the perfect all-rounder. I find I rarely need more than 130mm of travel on a hardtail.
@@hardtailparty Yeah, you are probably right. The mmmbop does have a bit more reach, stack and a steeper STa tho but if I'm being honest, I just don't like the paint job the Marleys with 4 extra colors thrown in just for the branding. The mmmbop is just so much cleaner and slicker in compassion. Thanks for the advice, I might reconsider it after all.
@@rauldragu9447 pick the right geo for your trails. I wouldn't let looks be the determining factor. That's just me though. I had a lot of pedal strikes even with a 160mm fork on here. I imagine I'd have a lot more with a 140. I still love this mmmbop though. Look at it like a win win. I wonder if sizing up on a Marley would do the trick? You've got a great point about the different geo though. Mmmbop feels fantastic, I just think it'd be even snappier with a slightly shorter fork.
Thank you verry much for this review! I preordered the 2021 frame and i am verry excited about the build up and the ride in summer! thanks for your content :)
Excellent choice, it's a great bike
Great channel/content!
That bike looks sweet in a polished frame but I still love my 2 year old Chameleon (your review sealed the deal)
Those trails look like a western movie set!
You always do an excellent review, Steve. Thanks.
One question? What do you think about setting the mmmbop into a mullet rig?
I think a mullet mmbop would be rad. The danger of going with a Marley is that a Marley is specced with a 27.5 fork. Keep in mind that a 29er fork has a 20mm taller atc than a 27.5 fork.
@@hardtailparty Isn't an mmmbop also specced with a 27.5 fork? Or is it because it has a 150mm 27.5 fork you could then use a 130mm 29er fork on the mmmbop to keep angles the same? Vs 130mm 27 on the marley?
@@TheFatSteez it's the latter; you'd need a 100-110mm 29er fork on the markley or else the geo would be way off.
I recently bought a 2020 steel Ragley Blue Pig and I ride it more than my V1 Ripmo...Ragley makes amazing hardtails!
Yes they do! Congrats on the blue pig.
Steve, this is awesome. Been looking for inexpensive bike yet capable for my teenage son (still growing). Been looking at Ragley, Nukeproof, and Vitus for modern geo. Thanks for riding one ... and giving honest feedback.
I'm a huge fan of Ragley, especially their aluminum bikes. This one is perfect for shredders who aren't super tall. Little guys (like me) often struggle with the size of 29er wheels.
@@hardtailparty sweet feedback. I was wondering about 29ers being too big. Really enjoyed your review of the Ragley mmmbop. Also your video on the low supply. Well done. Keep rocking.
I'm close between this and the Scout. I think I'm going for this. The scout is just a bike and I want something more endro.
For sizing reference how tall are you?
Great review, great lines on that frame.
You might also try the new Marzocchi Z2. It is much less costly than Fox's other forks, and has a simpler, more user serviceable damper. I bet your buddy is ready for his bike back! Hey, as long as the single speed doesn't trash your knees... I tried single speed once, 15 years ago, glad I dumped it like a hot rock. It stressed my knees too much, especially hard climbs. Here I am 15 years later, and my knees are doing ok.
If I can get my hands on one for review, I will, but suspension forks are super tough to get.
Nice review. I almost bought 1 of these to build up in lock-down, gutted I didn't now
Apparently the alloy (mmm bop) frame rides better than the steal (blue pig) model be good to see a back to back review
I'd love tondo a back to back. Unfortunately ragley is out of bikes right now and I can't get my hands on a blue pig. I wouldn't be surprised if this rode better than the pig. This frame feels better than most steel frames.
What size was the bike and how tall are you? Brilliant review
I got a stock alert for a mmmbop frame on a famous ecommerce site, came here to watch review, back to site and i just bought last one in stock! These sell like popcorn :) will try a mullet experiment with 140 fork
Got the 2021 Mmmbop.. Turned it into a Mulletbop with 140mm forks.. I would totally loan you it if I could
I've heard you say the Blue pig is the steel version of the Mmmbop and it's actually attainable currently. Wondering how compliant it is vs other steel frames.
I hear good things. I had a friend shop me a blue pig to answer this very question, but it never made it to me.
A quick unrelated question - is it feasible for you to travel to areas like forests etc? It would be really interesting to see you apply your great pinch climbing, downhill and rock hopping skills to other technical terrain :)
You'll like my next video.
Nice riding man. Those trails look so fun. I'm debating between the mmmbop and the marely. My local trails are mostly flat here in florida but I travel to NC and TN alot so not sure if I should go with the slacker mmmbop or the marely. Thoughts?
I do my bike consultation over on Patreon. I'd be happy to help you over there. Patreon.com/hardtailparty
I’ve got a 160mm pike on mine. Already bought a 140mm air spring before I watched this. My only concern is more pedal strikes if I lower the travel. Bit other than that, I love it. 👍
Yeah, I'd have the same concerns at 140. The bb is low. 160 is definitely too much for this frame though
The Marley would be better suited to a 140mm fork than the Mmmbop.
Good review. I have the bluepig (steel same geo) and a riding buddy has the mmmbop. Bluepig is more compliant but heavier (swings and roundabouts). You can't go wrong with a Ragley.
Interesting. Some people say the mmmbop is more compliant and some say the blue pig is more compliant. i hope I get to try the blue pig, big wig, marley, and big al out someday.
Amazing, you got the review out on my birthday!
Quick question, how different is the mmmbop to the Specialized Fuse?
Interesting you say that maybe 150mm could be too much for the mmmbop as this is what the full bike ships with (Sektor)!
See the previous video when I go over this bike's build. The bike in this video has a 160mm fork, not a 150 (it's not a stock ragley build). I talk about how it compares to the specialized fuse in this video. They ride pretty different.
@@hardtailparty Yeah I watched that, it was a really good break down!
I must have missed the Fuse comparison. I'm aiming to buy my first hardcore hardtail and stock shortages aside, it's hard to decide which one to go with!
I'm 6'5" and I live in a small town so there's no chance of trying anything XL first.
Your video has me interested in the mmmbop again, I was looking at the Fuse, Scout 290 or the Ragley Big Al (all 29ers)!
At your heaight, I'd definitely go 29er. The scout has a stupid short reach. I'd vote for the ragley big al or the fuse.
@@hardtailparty Great advice :)
My friend Omar at Bike Bondsman can get a Ragley Big Al for you still (they're not all 100% sold out yet). Hit him up and let him know I sent you: bit.ly/2YczCZ7
Liked subscribed! Can you review the devinci kobain next? Not sure if I should buy one as it is the only one left I stock and a rocky Mountain growler
Thanks for review ....ended up getting one and love it 👍
Great content. As always, never enough of a good thing. Any info on the Cannondale Cujo1. Got one on the way and can’t find an opinion on it. Thank you for all your work on this channel!
I don't have any plans to review the cujo 1, sorry. Awful spec for the price, and it's got outdated sketchy geo. I hate to rag on your bike. If you like it, that's all that matters. But these modern hardtails I'm reviewing will ride SO MUCH BETTER than a Cujo 1.
Thanks for the honest opinion. Keep it up.
Might explain why I could actually find one. Are the Salsa Rangefinder and Timberjack in the same boat?
@@wolfteeth the timberjack is the best out of those 3. I have a review of the timberjack. It's a great starter hardtail. I prefer bikes a little more modern and aggressive but the timberjack is a nice bike.
Good stuff. Not new, just tryin to update my ride. Much has changed since the 90’s. Big wheels, 1x drive, “modern geometry”, electricity!!! You are awesome for chatting with me. Thank you.
Sounds amazing bike and better value than Fuse...but where do i find one...
Awesome! I love my Ragley!
Great video
I've watched twice so far. But didn't get an idea about sizing
I'm 5f11 would I be a large or medium?
large
Would you say this bike is equal parts playful and plow? I want a fun hardtail to complement my Ibis Ripmo AF. Mmmbop has smaller wheels, less reach, and shorter wheelbase. What do you think?
hey mate what are your thoughts on hardtail with Yari vs some more premium forks with the RCT3 damper? I am a 150mm revelation owner thinking about damper upgrade in the future! great review on this bike as well as usual..
I actually answer that question in the video
Hi there awesome review! After this Im going to get the 2021 model! Would you say the Medium frame was the right one for you? Thanks.
Yup
@@hardtailparty 😁 cheers!!
Your killing me on choices lol..bit I have a plan to make a hybrid..
Do you like a stiffer front or a softer front?
And between the paradox V3, middle child and this, which is softest up front and which is stiffest
I think I'm going custom TI frame
Hi. Thanks for review! I bought my mmmbop used and love it. I also have been thinking I want to go from 150mm to 140mm. What 140mm fork would you recommend?
Hi, did you ever switch to 140? I bought a second hand Mmpob and it came with a 160 which, like Steve, I think is too long. I'm thinking of switching it out for a 140 and was curious to hear from someone who would have done that.
MIllion thanks for the great view! The info in the review is just spot on!! Looking for a aggressive HT and I just saw this frame back in stock. I am about to pull the trigger. However, I come from Roadbike background from many years and i decided to try something new. It will be my first MTB and I have no idea on the MTB geo...My height is exactly 170cm. From the geo chart. I am right in the middle of size S and M...so I have no idea on which size to choose. You are ride a size medium, may I know how tall are you? and how do you feel riding this size?
Mountain bikes are a bit forgiving when it comes to sizing. Go with the medium. Best when you can demo the bike too so you know exactly how it rides.
@@1911Zoey thanks, Marcus. Ya, went for a medium.
Kool video, but could you please explain what you mean by steer with your feet. would be better if you could demonstrate this, maybe its me I just don't understand what you mean. Thanks.
It's an advanced technique that a lot of people don't know how to do. It's similar to skiing or surfing on the bike. You actually steer by shifting your feet, rather than just turning the bars. People who turn the bars only to steer won't like this bike. People that know how to steer the bike with their feet will love how this bike rides.
Hope you can get your hands on a steel frame. Have had them on my radar for a while.
Great review 😁 currently trying to decide what frame to go for to build a hardtail from scratch. Have been considering the Piglet but can't find much in the way of reviews. Any plans to ride one in the near future?
I've requested a Marley for review. We'll see if i can get one in.
@@hardtailparty would be awesome if you were able to do a comparison like with the Big Al and Big Wig
I had the 2019 Mmmbop in Medium (same geo as 2020) and replaced it with a 2020 Blue Pig in Large back in Feb. I'm 5'10 and a bit. I bent the Alu downtube riding into a tree head on at speed. Both are brilliant frames for the price IMO, although there are lighter, better, more expensive steel alternatives. You've got to pay a lot more to notice it though. The ride quality is fairly similar between them, which shows how well they've have made the Alu frame, but the steel is more compliant and stronger. The size and weight change was far far more noticeable than the frame material change when I swapped. I run a pretty progressive 150mm Pike, and definitely wouldn't want 160mm. A less progressive 140mm fork would work well too. The geo means it loves the steeps, really love it. But it's great on everything. Only time I want a full sus, or a 29er, is over repeated square edged hits or super greasy roots, but I'm running 2.35 tyres and some 2.6's at lower pressure would help that a bit.
Lighter steel alternative ?
@@Nit2315 my Large chromoly Blue Pig frame is nearly 0.5kg heavier on the scales than a similar sized 853 frame. Makes it comparatively more planted and stable, and less playful and lively.
So, I'm curious, what hardtail would you recommend that blurs the lines between Trail and XC? Something comfortable on intermediate trails but really rips when you want to race? One other detail, I'm finding I really like a more upright riding position, so I've added riser bars and a big riser stem to my XTC. It looks a little goofy, but, way more comfortable.
I've been binge watching your vids, man, so many choices, I had no idea! I'm really enjoying all the reviews and all the info, you're doing a great job!
You mention running 2.8 tires on this bike but the Ragley website states the max tire width for this frame (and the Marley which I'm looking at) at 2.6. Is there no problem fitting a 2.8?
See my first look video of this bike.
As an mmmbop owner who lives in the northeast, this video gave me anxiety. The idea of riding where I could OTB into a cactus is horrifying.
I have a Marin San Quentin 2020 and found someone selling this frame and it's the purple one which I love!! I'm torn! Hahaha!
I've just finished building up an Mmmbop frame, and my word, does this thing looked like a raked out sled. I'm a bit worried it's too long and slack and I should have gone with the Ragely Marley frame instead. The proof will be in the riding I guess, but I may end up swapping everything out to the Marley instead.
It's a slack long travel bike. Keep an open mind though, i have a feeling you're going to love it. Give it a few rides before judging it.
So, mmmbop vs big Al for your type trails? sounds like you enjoyed the Bop, but had more fun on the Al? Which do you think absorbs more of the vibrations?
That's the sort of conversation I have with my patrons. I'd be happy to to help you over there.
thinking of getting one built as a mullet 27.5 and 29 up front,130 would be ok with this frame (and a 29 wheel on it)?
Yes someone just did this search
What would you prefer the Ragley mmbop or the Santa Cruz chameleon?
It depends. I do my bike consultation over on Patreon. I'd be happy to help you over there. Patreon.com/hardtailparty
I have a 2017 mmmbop and until recently had always ridden it with the 2.25 tires it came with, I just upgraded to 2.3. I am wondering though, could I fit 2.8’s? It doesn’t seem like they would fit, could be wrong. And would they even fit on my 23 mm wheels?
You'd need wider wheels for 2.8s
It's a bad idea to watch too many reviews of you... Now I don't know of I schould get the MMMBOP or the Big AL 😂
What did you end up getting? Cos I’m in the same dilemma as you 😂
Steve have you reviewed the Nukeproof scout, if so what is you opinion on it? Thanks
No, not yet. Geo looks cramped, but some people like that.
@@hardtailpartyI've been researching that frame for sometime I currently have a 2019 solid timberjack that I can probably switch most of my parts from thanks for the reply I'm looking at either that frame or the Ragley Big Al