ENTJ married to INFP. Thank you so much for this. INFP husband often says, before making a value statement about our relationship, “this is just me talking”. I don’t know what to do with that. Cause if you say it - then you want me to do something about it, right? But apparently not! It’s just an “Fi” finally piercing through the cold hard surface - but he doesn’t need me to Te all over it and turn it into a “productive” statement. Thank you!
As an INTJ, I completely relate. When I am saying the same thing over and over, it's usually for two reasons. Either I'm not getting any cues in the conversation that the other party has heard or understands my point(s), or, in a different context, I will be excitedly sharing yet another example of how a point I made (usually some overarching connection or principal) was correct.
Yep. Me too (INTJ)... but what I've learned is that if you lose sight of tending to the "connection" or the feeler's taking your logical dominance personally as you obliterate their inferior / less thought-through idea... you will fail to persuade and they will not hear anything you say and keep arguing with you going into their wounded attack animal mode... which will polarise you into seeing the worst in them (disingenuous, manipulative with ad hominem attacks, emotionally volatile, stupid and illogical - an archetypal demon for any INTJ to be confronted with - think radical feminazi! - but partly that is you projecting and partly it is that you caused that polarization by being too cold). I've learned to integrate my feminine side a bit more so that I can be EFFECTIVE, instead of merely being RIGHT (even though I am correct almost literally all of the time lol - win the war, rather than just the battle... which you also lost because they won't even recognize that you won the argument anyway - their greater level of indignation and offense taking = they won in their mind). #SoooINTJrightnow
I was hanging out with an INTJ friend and someone came up to him and said not to be so loud as she was reading. And all he kept repeating (loudly) "Yes but that's because I have a cold. But thats because I have a COLD! BUT THAT'S BECAUSE I HAVE A COLD!!" I don't know what type the stranger was but she was so bemused. She kind of looked over at me for support and I in my FP wish to stay completely uninvolved in emotional outbursts .. I just shrank away in silence although I was blushing in MORTIFICATION. I found it hilarious how his TJ style was reiterating the same conclusion and his Fi was getting more wound-up that this random lady didn't understand him and his problems. It was an eye opening anecdote. But also his TJ makes him so direct that he fails to understand how other people can be so stupid as to not reach the same conclusions. He gets into trouble with authority a lot cause he's not afraid to call out inconsistencies. Appeals hugely to my FP desire for authenticity and rebel-without-a-cause streak ^_^
If you want to communicate with an INJ....just be yourself, we find that authenticity very intriguing in people and we will accept you, for all of YOU.
I'm not an INxJ but this seems pretty accurate to me. My INTJ friend once told me he can't stand people who "lie to themselves" and he liked me because I was so self-aware and honest. To me, this speaks to the concept of authenticity.
(ENTP) TP was spot on. You had me cracking up. Defining terms is so important and also fun for me. A lot of my best conversations revolve around defining terms and then exploring the associated ideas haha
This video is so interesting!!! I’m an ENTP and I agreed with pretty much everything in this video. And the girl on the left’s laugh is contagious! 😂😁😁 I found myself smiling the whole video because of her positive energy.
About TPs, definitely true that you don’t want to push us to a conclusion. Ti is all about thinking for yourself, taking very little for granted; the answers other have might be wrong or can’t be applied to the given situation/person. This is the same reason why we will try to give you all the information we can as to support you when in trouble, opposed to just give you one blunt Te statement as advice. It’s better you use the information to come up with your own answer to the problem. It’s like trying to lay out all the pieces for you, maybe even how they could be combined, but since it’s your decision you should be the one to put them together. If you can’t it means you’re not ready, a failed Jedi 😜
Robert Lindin it’s sorta hard when you see clearly what they could be doing for better outcome. Let them know all the information and ideas they need and still they don’t see the solution. It has gotten me to use Te quite frequently bc I would rather use Te than Fe to inspire them to action.
One of my best gal friends is an ISTJ. We used to work together at a salon and the other girls always took things she said the wrong way. When everything she said was useful and true, she just had high values and didn't like to partake in gossip, like all the FJs and FPs we worked with. She is the best. ISTJs can be way better than people think. -INFP
Rachelle D in socionics they're my conflictor (worst possible intertype relation), and although I won't lie and admit that it's very difficult for me to understand them and their rigid dedication to rules (and they don't get me either with my scatteredness and inconsistency), I still see that they have quite positive characteristics as well
Exactly, same with INTJs as well, people take what we say the wrong way when we're actually just brutally honest and usually are not intending any emotional harm
An advice from an ISTJ: you shouldn't take the things we say personally. We usually don't intend to hurt people's precious feelings (sometimes we don't even give a rat's behind for them). We just want to get things done because someone has to lol
I first just wanna say you two look amazing in these outfits :D And ISFP here! very accurate 😁 I‘d say I like most people at first unless they are unneccessarily bragging about themselves haha, that grates my nerves. Apart from that if someone is overly sarcastic and negative i can‘t do that for long either, it just drains my energy 😔 Thanks for this :)!
Soo interesting! Love your videos! I'm an INFP and I often get misunderstood as having some agenda with the things I say when in fact I'm just putting observations and ideas into the open to see where they go because it's FUN! Then people give me a look of "yeah? so whats the conclusion?" Oh the boredom of only talking about stuff that's relevant or useful!!
like why cant we just talk? it doesn't have to go somewhere. its so frustrating because i loooove conversations like that, its very fulfilling - being able to share your ideas and thoughts and then getting new viewpoints too. honestly other fp's or ne users are the best conversationalists if that makes sense hahaha
I'm a infp and I find it more difficult too Express my thoughts directly . My core makes me want to communicate abstractly. Which requires more explanations....... Communicate with your words! LOL I cant stand when people think out loud and say everything they think.
I can totally relate to the part about people being “too polite”. I know that some people just are that way, but for me speaking always has a purpose and doesn’t need any extra pleasantries and so that type of behaviour it makes me very uncomfortable. Like you said people being “too nice” kind of makes me question the persons motives (even though I know that I probably don’t have any real reason to). I just found your channel, and I’m very happy I did. I’ve been quite interested in mbti for a while, but I haven’t really known of any people who make good videos about it until I found this channel. As an INTJ also really appreciate the fact that I can relate to most of what the INTJ-girl is saying. You’ve got a new subscriber :)
This content was mighty helpful as an INFJ dating an INFP. Watching you all interact is entertaining. I’ve always been curious about INTJs too... the people who also don’t like people. I like you.
In terms of Ti, think of it like this. We’re trying to describe a car works. The Te user says: “Press here, go forward.” The Ti user says: “Well, start with pistons. Then you assemble those positions into an engine...” and on and on. Ti is like trying to describe a 3d shape by describing each side. It’s difficult and unless the other person does some of their own work they aren’t going to get it.
I have an INTP friend and you are so right! We'll be talking about something and he'll give this grand monologue and tell me all about the different facets of a certain point and.. I'll ask "so what?" And there is no what! There's no end point, it's just logical reasoning for its own sake rather than to achieve a goal!
Haha that is me (ISFP) and my ENTP husband all day, every day!!! Like, so....your point is?? And it’s nothing!! Every time! He still won’t have an answer or come to a conclusive decision EVER!
I’m an ENFP and I was friends with an ENTJ and I liked her honesty. But she had her moments where she was sarcastically mean, would condescendingly explain things when we got around the same grades, and call me “annoying” when she was drunk which hurt 😓
I've just realised that, when I share my 'I just had an idea' thoughts, I've found it VERY helpful to preface them with "this is just an idea, but..." I'm Ti dom and I've realised that others interpret 'giving an idea' = 'giving an opinion', and assume you expect them to agree, when in fact we are so full of ideas that we just cannot be invested in all of them! Thus we need to negate that presumption at the outset.
The thing about the spicy meal is something I (an ISTP) would say, too. But not because “super spicy” wasn’t a well defined term. I just would compare the spicyness of the meal to my previous experiences with spicy meals and then choose an appropriate word that roughly relates to that point on the scale. But your experiences and therefore your rating scale might be different so your estimation could be completely valid. I would not necessarily want you to change your view. I would just want you to see (and accept) my side of things. What could be debated however are the different types of spicyness. But I dont know of any specific words to describe those, at least not in English or German.
The best way (possibly) to understand an xxtp (well, more intp) is hermeneutics. You start with a position, interrogate it, go round in a big loop with extra info, anecdotes and apparently disparate connections, eventually returning to the initial proposition. Now we have a deeper awareness of the position, we interrogate the components, anecdotes and connections, thus around the circle we go again. Its not that we dont have a fixed end point, but its sort of like showing the working in order to elucidate the rules in order to test the proposition.
(INTJ) I would rank your TP description as my top style, with TJ and FP a third of the way down, and FJ in a pit somewhere. That's actually something I think about when taking MBTI tests. On communication type questions it's hard to pick because that's where I have to consider who I'm around and where I'm at. If the whole world had a basic idea of MBTI, I'm sure people from school would think I'm ISTJ--I don't speak unless there's a point and it's to finish the project efficiently. My parents would likely peg me as INTP--I show a lot of TP communication traits in a familiar environment (and some FP if I can get away with yapping about something I like just because I'm exciting about it--emotionally or intellectually). If I'm with a friend that I'm fully comfortable with (so far have always been FPs) then I probably show FP, TP, and TJ almost evenly until the FP goes into the deep end, then my Te comes out more. Between that, school, work, and bureaucracy, I would say Te hides when it's not needed, but if I'm getting impatient it comes out and makes things move along. I know a few other IJs like that--we prefer to curl up in introverted mode, have a developed third function, but function #2 comes out to "deal" with the world. EPs in my life seem to do the same thing in reverse--their second function is just a flavoring for 1 and 3, and they have to be burnt out before they get into reflection mode.
This sounds somewhat how I felt watching the video. I think I communicate like TP sometimes and TJ other times. TJ probably more often at work and TP probably more often around people I’m close to in certain situations. I think I’m an INTP(still need to take the test) but I think I communicate like a TJ more often.
I really relate to the “define your terms” or, as I would say it, the “word specificity” aspect of communication for XXTPs. I usually try to choose the most accurate words to get my thoughts and my point across in the most specific, yet understandable, way possible. I can’t move on from the conversation easily until I find the perfect or second most perfect word. My friends have gotten used to this, to the point where they tell me to just come back to them once I find the word I want to use. Trying to choose the most accurate words is one of the reasons it has taken me almost 10 minutes just to finish writing this comment. -ESTP
INTJ signing on. I enjoy your videos because they give me aha moments all the time. Activating Te function: PIEW! I would love if you guys used more concrete examples. When you discuss the uses of functions in abstract terms I get frustrated because I can’t pin down how it would play out at a party or in an office or on a date, and then the whole exercise has no point. I want to be able to match concept to experience CLICK right away.
Awesome video guys!!! I definitely do get suspicious when someone's emotional cues do not mirror his/her tone of voice, but at this point I am lot more developed with the conclusion.
About FJs instead of "external" value, which I don't really understand what it could mean, "collective" might be a better way to phrase it? The goal of Fe is Harmony. If you want to communicate in a comfortable way for a high Fe user, you're going to have to fosters common ground, harmonized goals, shared values. Use interpersonal pronouns "us", "we" "our". FJs are attentive to and value external signs of engagement in the discussion, look them in the eye! turn your body towards them.
Hi ladies! This video reminded me of how uncomfortable I've always been at group gatherings where everyone sits in a large circle and is expected to say something about themselves, their experience at the event, their opinion, their take-away or intention, etc., with no opportunity to prepare or decline. To me, as an INTP, this was like torture! I could say things that were true and express ultimately genuine sentiments, but always felt like my delivery, my emotional affect in those moments, instead reflected my discomfort with being put on the spot or even unrelated emotions I happened to be processing in the moment! I would surely be suspicious of such apparent misalignment, too! Do you have any tips or suggestions for contrived situations like this, where you're expected to express sentiments or force things that aren't arising spontaneously in the moment, whether you want to or not? Granted, I don't find myself in as many of these situations as I did in childhood, but occasionally I will participate in some event where it's required. Thanks!
INFP: Hi! The way I see it is that I can't control how others react to me; I can only control how I act. And if I'm usually awkward, and don't see myself becoming less awkward anytime soon, then the next best thing I can do is to try to accept my awkwardness.
Thanks, Calypso! Yes, going in with a sense of already being accepted (no matter what) helps in such situations and in life in general. As well, I've recently come across the suggestion to pick out one person and speak to them...that way, one is not overwhelmed by the Fe attempt to accommodate or tailor the delivery to the perspectives of each person in the group at once.
you don't have to contribute to the group atmosphere or discussion if you feel very uncomfortable in doing so. And if people continue to push into your personal space/bubble, dont be afraid to be more vocal about your discomfort. tell them that you sometimes don't exactly feel as outgoing as some of the others, or whatever your reason is. If they accept you as you are and don't try to force you into anything you don't want to do, then they're real friends and keepers. but if they don't, then just don't waste so much of your energy trying to hang around them. there are people out there who will appreciate you for who you are, they'll find value in both your strengths and weaknesses and you'll find value in theirs. spend more time around those people and ditch those who take you for granted or otherwise not seriously (and who force you to change against your will). tl;dr : don't bother trying to contribute to the spontaneous emotional expressions if you don't want to, just continue to be you and screw the haters! you will eventually find your people!
Thank you for the thoughtful and encouraging reply, Queen Beast. Although Calypso brought up the issue of acceptance here, in the situations I'm remembering the issue was not exactly a matter of sharing in order to be accepted. People have actually been quite welcoming. It's more a matter of how to share to be known. It seems like these large group/sharing scenarios can work well for, say, people who have Introverted Feeling (Authenticity) higher up in their cognitive function stack, for people who grew up in environments where 'how they felt about something' mattered, and even for people who are simply good at pretending and have no qualms about doing so. Although I've learned to have healthy boundaries and know (now) that my feelings matter, it is still difficult to know, let alone articulate, my personal feelings about something when I'm in a large group. I seem to need to leave the environment and be on my own for a bit. The din of everyone else's needs, desires, and expectations tends to drown out my ability to hear my own. If I'm interacting spontaneously, one-on-one, in a small group, or with people I know, it's not a problem.
I've found that TJs will stop trusting what you say if you use too many references that they later find out were not FACTUAL. So communication can break down pretty easily, where they distrust what you are saying and just smile and nod being polite from thereon in.
Also, with TJ's I find they want me to define terms too.. or at least they want both parties to be using the same terms and will slow the conversation down to clarify. This is difficult for an Fi/Ne user who sees words as things to use like poetry and metaphorically instead of literally. Te types tend to use dictionary definitions too.. 'generally accepted' terms... or if working in a particular industry.. TJ's will expect you to use the right 'professional' terms for things. You are otherwise considered unprofessional and they lose a bit of respect for you.
C C (1) I'll slowly stop trusting someone -- forever -- if they tell me things not based in facts. (2) If they tell me something that is the opposite of known facts, I'll stop trusting them quickly -- forever. If someone uses a word in a manner that seems questionable to me, I'll look up the definition in two or more places. If there are conflicting definitions, I'll also look up the historical etymology of the root words and use the definition(s) that are truest to the history of how the word evolved. If my understanding was off, I'll update my internal definition. Lesson learned! If the person who used the word was off, I'll tell them what the word means and how the word got its meaning. (3) If that person continues to use the word wrong after that, I will decide that that person is... the closest words that describe it is "stupid" / "untrustworthy" / "deliberately misleading". There is an shameless ENTP online who manages to do all three of these things on a regular basis. I dislike him. (INTJ)
Psyche Cybernetics & Socionics Thats good to know. Could you explain the reasons why it would be 'forever'? I've just found this a common practice with INTJ's / ESTJ's I know. Are people seen as 'resources for facts' in a way? and thus there are plenty more reliable resources out there and it's not worth the risk of relying on this one source for truth?
C Hmm, it's hard to say. (1) I can see looking at objects as being "resources for facts". But that doesn't seem to ring true for people as much. An individual is a good source for giving facts about their situation (if they're honest). But to get facts that are more generally applicable, facts that have more power to be useful in more situations other than just with that particular individual, then sources that have been *compiled* by multiple people with diverse walks of life and *tested in practice* by multiple people with diverse walks of life is my probable first choice. For example, wikis with visible revision histories of how multiple people have contributed. Or opening four results for a search and reading each, then deciding where they all should agree if their sum knowledge is combined. Maybe objects produced by people are potential sources of facts?) People are more like "potential cooperators in actions". Good "cooperators in actions" are aware of (useful) facts and have aligned or at least non-conflicting intentions. Bad "cooperators in actions" are ignorant of or dismissive of (useful) facts or have conflicting intentions. I'm being too general here to be useful but I'm not in the mood now to flesh this out with specific examples.
Omg I'm in a relationship with an ESTJ and he literally just says the same three things to show love, but I just learned that it means he's into that serious emotional feelings.
I have found that communicating with Fi users as a Ti user is quite easy (from experimenting on my ISFP brother) if you just throw the occasional variation of the word "unique" at them to describe them that seems to keep them happy (idk why).
Lol! Yeah... My (INFP) best friend is an ISTP and she's one of the few people who understands me. It may be in a detached manner but I don't think I care.
الجهل قوة Yeah, istps can act a bit outwardly detached sometimes, but that doesn't mean that they dont care. in fact I've found the opposite to be true. they just have a hard time with expressing themselves emotionally, which is generally an IXTX thing. But they are genuinely kind people and you can still tell that even when they try to act like assholes
Yes I noticed this too. They all wanna be unique...it's really some identity issue there going. It makes me think of the emo kids of 10 years go who all used to say "i'm different, I'm unique", and then all wore the same clothes and listened to the same music...Oh yes, soooo unique...
@PowerRedBull do you have a personal issue with infps/fi users? i've seen so many of your comments that indicate a strong dislike🤔. you've said anything from fi users act like children, can't read people and assume everything based on their emotions, think they're special to that they're literally airheads that live in a dream state unaware of "true" reality. quite amusing. lmao keep writing i need to figure out what your deal is.
This is a great video you guys were spot on with everything! Please make a more in depth video including body language or gestures or micro expression whatever you mentioned you had in mind
I feel like i can read what people want.. so they should be able to read what i want ... i took me 30 years to find out I had to tell people.. and they can decide if they want to do it or not and THAT will show if they care or not. (My psychologist told me this..and my mind was blown) i wanted them to do it by reading my mind and doing it on their own initiative.. because I felt that showed they were actively looking for ways to please me and Really cared about me. But he explained not everyone loves the same... and not everyone ..especially men can figure things out... even with obvious hints 🤣 i was like ... OH!
Ti user here. Te users: We think y'all cut corners, and might even cheat sometimes 😒. Y'all think we catastrophize, talk in circles, and never make up our minds. We need your assurance that the worst case scenario won't happen irl, or that we won't be singled out by the sum of random collective decisions. i.e. Old Maid, "the cheese stands alone", booby prizes. We struggle with procrastination from analysis paralysis/perfectionism. That means we love it when Fe doms drag our slightly underdressed @sses to an unfamiliar social occasion. We follow your lead. We may complain at first, but more often than not we're grateful we took up the offer. We also love it when a Te dom teaches us an easy, practical skill and shows us when to stop fussing about it. C'mon Ace, that's good enough - you're done there! Good job! Let's do something else, huh? Thx! 🤗
This is so funny. My sister is always yelling at me for making a single decision she says I’m a kid who sees all those shiny things and can’t come up with the thing I really want, she also says she’s not going to be always with me for making my decision but I don’t really care that’s it. Fyi my sister is an intj and I am an entp 😅
I could really use that one. I've been browsing articles and forums lately now that I've looked deeper into E5 and learned that other than the studiousness, it doesn't align with me at all. But 4 and 9 are close...but I'm INTJ. Though I think of my Te and Fi as relatively leveled out, so that probably tinkered with my direction of development.
This is me as an fp I am thankful for learning n information I still choose what to take or leave but bouncing my views out their openly expressing ppl always see it as an opposition or a debate n attack me they always misconcept what I was intending n yes I never push myself on anyone if I’m firm on anyway it’s when I’m never ever respected listened to or allowed my views on matters n where it affects the underdog etc n these we care about
Still watching the vid, but wanted to comment (I’m an infp...not INFJ like my name would suggest lol): the point you made about using Fe, if you are not an Fe user being simply a mimic of Fe: yes, that can be the case. But each primary function also shares its opposite function. So an INFP might have about as much Fe as it does Si, because feeling is their primary function, and even though they are primarily Fi users, there’s still about 1/4th of Fe. Every personality has the ability to use every existing function. Just wanted to clarify. Love your vids and content!
yeah I seem to notice this *a lot* in INFP's ...They seem very proud not to use Fe or act in a Fe kind of way. Their view of Fe seems the most negative functions out of all types. Yet, then later on the same INFP can go cry in a corner because they do not feel understood, alone or any other thing which might simply be the result of not having used any Fe whatsoever...
That's interesting. What you described as Ti when you were talking about xxTPs sounded a lot like how some use Ne. Ne doms like to explain things just for the sake of exploration without any end game or commitment to any of the ideas presented. How would you differentiate between the two in such cases? Apparently, Ne and Ti look similar externally?
@@denisesiddon7241 Lol yes estjs are so harsh Are you between mbti types? Maybe infp? Maybe infj, but I think for infps it would be impossible to be with an estj
ok, strangely, when you described the fj, this sort of reminded me of my infp friend that sometimes i think uses high fe, now i am confused on her type again lol. SHE REMINDS ME OF AN FJ BUT SHE ISN'T. Ahh, so confusing. (shes a 2w3 too, which might explain things xD)
2w3?? That sounds more like ENFJ than INFP. INFP doesn't have much correlation with 2w3 but ENFJ does. What makes you think she's not FJ? Any particular reasons? Is she shy? Shy is not the same as Introverted. Plus Fe isn't even in the first four functions of an INFP, so that doesn't make much sense. Not trying to argue with you; I'm just trying to understand.
I can say with 100% certainty she is not an enfj. Being around her she expresses the various functions that are nfp, a little part of me thinks she could be an enfp with trauma, and they tend to have high fe, sometimes she reads a bit too into someones contradictory actions and words is what i meant seemed like a really fj thing as stated in the video, she does have alot of trauma that prevents her from being able to go anywhere without her family which does affect it. Also in real life its pretty clear she has blind se lol. But, she is still a 2w3, and an infp. It is possible. I probably didn't answer that well so sorry if i didn't. edit: wait she might be a 3w2, lel i can't remember) so in other words it has to do with her shadow functions and how those developed to assist her conscious ones.
(came back with more answers) if you watched the video where calypso and alex help type that one girl who could not decide between infj and infp, its something similar to that in situation. She was taught by her isfj? mother how to be altruistic, and to give, basically her mother constantly taught her these things that are fj like the girl in the video from before.
xxFJs, hit or miss in my opinions. I like a lot of things about them, especially ISFJs, but the moment they interpret my lack of emotional expressiveness as insincerity...my first instinct is to cut them out of my life.
Hmm, I have been reading 12 Rules for Life by .Jordan Peterson,. I think he is an INTP. A lot of what you guys said did run through my mind while reading. Ex; "What am I supposed to do with this information?" He seems to go Ti mode sometimes and just give a gist of what he thinks. Haha good book
He has strong Ne, but also fairly strong Si. Those two would only be balanced in the middle two slots, so you might be right. Only other possibilities besides INTP-with high Ne [the most obvious thing about him] would be; ENTP [too weak Si]. And that's really it, as I don't believe his Ne is weaker than his parent function and he's definitely not INFP or ENFP-those types are very distinctive and not at all like him. Interestingly, I would have listened to maybe 400hrs of his UA-cam lectures, but am struggling with 12 rules for life. His Ne comes out-he's far more playful in his vids than in the audiobook; which seems very Si severe and is a slog by comparison.
Why do I feel like I communicate like a TJ sometimes and TP other times? There’s no logical pattern of when I do it either. Edit: the more I think about it, the more I think I’m naturally a TP but I trained myself to talk like a TJ.
TPs i think are typically dodgy in that they will tell you not to eat cookies for yada yada logigal reasons, and then they secretly go and eat a cookie. They want to inspire but have no follow through. Whereas TJs sounds a little more diplomatic when they tell you not to eat the cookie, and trust me they aint eating that cookie. (Somehow this sounded sexual lol but most likely relevant to that area too 😂)
Because they can find as many if not more logical reasons for eating the cookie themselves. They have no subjective good, or bad. Just objective reasons.
I don't know how to type people yet I still watch these videos. thanks for nothing (you did good, I just don't know how to use this information. I like the video!)
I find TJs to be intimidating and controlling, FJs to be caring and highly sensitive, TPs to be bullies or sarcastic or very selfish or needing freedom or if introverted very stand-offish or self-absorbed and needing freedom and FPs to be wild, caring or doing what they want to do with freedom whether introverted or extroverted.
Hello, have you guys ever thought about maybe functions have certain patterns in the way they dress. I know obviously that styles vary from person to person, but I mean like subtle things like maybe a TE user would wear vary functional clothes without to much decoration or something. This is an open question I’d really like to hear peoples opinions on this because it’s not talked about very much.
INTJ men often wear tan-colored cargo pants, they tend to wear plain, one-color t-shirts, and they have a long water bottle, might wear their keys in a visible spot outside their pants instead of keeping them in their pocket, and might wear hiking tennis shoes. (Some of these could also be INTP men too) And of course there's also INTJ men who never were cargo pants and never carry a long water bottle with them, etc., but if you see someone with a combination of these clothing choices, the chances are much higher that they are INTJ more than most of the other types.
I think there's for sure some correlation between how types generally dress, which bascially too implies a trend between functions and styling. It would make sense though that the functions combined together create the prefered style in the end, in the concrete world...It would be interesting to analyse exactly though! Even before I ever knew the functions, I seemed to spot the difference in clothing between judgers and perceivers, where the intiutives would go for the more styled mainstream looks, and the perceivers a bit more non mainstream 'different' looks (like alternative-ish) and a bit less neatly styled. Perceivers tend to prefer more wild hair while judgers seem to prefer neat ones. These are all just tendencies I've noticed, so no cold hard 'always true' Te kind of always-truiths..
This channel might be good for fi/te users, but their understanding and explanation of the ti/fe is quite poor. It's basically similar to when they were talking about these functions before, and while this video tries to attempt to go into the subject more it's doing nothing more than throwing in some clichés and that's it. Because of this I often end up leaving this channel quite disappointed, knowing nothing more than I did before about my own judgement functions. It's so obvious neither of them has them or seems to put in any decent amount of effort to really get them. If that's the case, then why even bother to try to get into the topic at all. The infp always seems to express she does not get Ti, do if you still don't , investigating it might be a good idea.
PowerRedBull yes i agree. especially on the part where they talk about FJs read more into how you express yourself than what you actually say. the “uuugh, yea this” reaction when the INTJ started talking about this is usually exactly what FJs pick up. people being annoyed at FJs for just wanting to be sure if someone actually mean something they say, cause there’s like a chance you just say “i understand” or just say whatever you think they wanna hear just to shut them up. i think its just shit the INFP talks about how you gotta understand how they are just not that emotionally expressive (which i do accept as a big difference between Fe-users and Fi-users and i understand how that is actually fucking hard for Fi-users), but not really get into why FJs really value what you express. as a FJ i think i rather have you not tell me anything than telling me in a shitty leave me alone tone how you’re feeling. i do agree with that explaining how that works would help, but i’ve come across a lot of immature Fi-users who like think you should just understand that its hard for them, without wanting to do the explaining.
I just want to offer some constructive criticism here. I noticed so much turbulent laughter from both of you especially at the end of the video. I understand that you are trying to serve Fe and relieve the social tension created by your judgments but it hits my Fi as totally inauthentic. "There's nothing funny being said, why are they laughing?" I think your communication could benefit from being more assertive. Try to be confident that you have good reasons for the judgments you are making and be comfortable with the social tension they create. This will make you more persuasive communicators. I love your channel, keep it up!
Yeah intj ,now I'm gonna judge how many 'it's like' you are repeating, for the girl on the left. I would appreciate it more if you make your videos more valid, stating points directly rather than an actual girly conversation. I can't hear what you want to say if you keep laughing at every sentence you say. Not an insult , but I think you could gain more subscribers by improving
ENTJ married to INFP. Thank you so much for this. INFP husband often says, before making a value statement about our relationship, “this is just me talking”. I don’t know what to do with that. Cause if you say it - then you want me to do something about it, right? But apparently not! It’s just an “Fi” finally piercing through the cold hard surface - but he doesn’t need me to Te all over it and turn it into a “productive” statement. Thank you!
Oh God you and I would fight constantly
As an INTJ, I completely relate. When I am saying the same thing over and over, it's usually for two reasons.
Either I'm not getting any cues in the conversation that the other party has heard or understands my point(s), or, in a different context, I will be excitedly sharing yet another example of how a point I made (usually some overarching connection or principal) was correct.
Brain Spanking News OMG THAT'S EXACTLY HOW I AM!!! OMGOMG good to know that was due to Te!! I'm an ENTJ by the way :-D
Yep. Me too (INTJ)... but what I've learned is that if you lose sight of tending to the "connection" or the feeler's taking your logical dominance personally as you obliterate their inferior / less thought-through idea... you will fail to persuade and they will not hear anything you say and keep arguing with you going into their wounded attack animal mode... which will polarise you into seeing the worst in them (disingenuous, manipulative with ad hominem attacks, emotionally volatile, stupid and illogical - an archetypal demon for any INTJ to be confronted with - think radical feminazi! - but partly that is you projecting and partly it is that you caused that polarization by being too cold). I've learned to integrate my feminine side a bit more so that I can be EFFECTIVE, instead of merely being RIGHT (even though I am correct almost literally all of the time lol - win the war, rather than just the battle... which you also lost because they won't even recognize that you won the argument anyway - their greater level of indignation and offense taking = they won in their mind). #SoooINTJrightnow
I was hanging out with an INTJ friend and someone came up to him and said not to be so loud as she was reading. And all he kept repeating (loudly) "Yes but that's because I have a cold. But thats because I have a COLD! BUT THAT'S BECAUSE I HAVE A COLD!!"
I don't know what type the stranger was but she was so bemused. She kind of looked over at me for support and I in my FP wish to stay completely uninvolved in emotional outbursts .. I just shrank away in silence although I was blushing in MORTIFICATION. I found it hilarious how his TJ style was reiterating the same conclusion and his Fi was getting more wound-up that this random lady didn't understand him and his problems. It was an eye opening anecdote. But also his TJ makes him so direct that he fails to understand how other people can be so stupid as to not reach the same conclusions. He gets into trouble with authority a lot cause he's not afraid to call out inconsistencies. Appeals hugely to my FP desire for authenticity and rebel-without-a-cause streak ^_^
As an ISTJ who does the same thing I second that! And also, we say things more than once in fear that the other person has not understood us lol
If you want to communicate with an INJ....just be yourself, we find that authenticity very intriguing in people and we will accept you, for all of YOU.
agreed
I'm not an INxJ but this seems pretty accurate to me. My INTJ friend once told me he can't stand people who "lie to themselves" and he liked me because I was so self-aware and honest. To me, this speaks to the concept of authenticity.
Yes! :)
(ENTP) TP was spot on. You had me cracking up. Defining terms is so important and also fun for me. A lot of my best conversations revolve around defining terms and then exploring the associated ideas haha
This video is so interesting!!! I’m an ENTP and I agreed with pretty much everything in this video. And the girl on the left’s laugh is contagious! 😂😁😁 I found myself smiling the whole video because of her positive energy.
About TPs, definitely true that you don’t want to push us to a conclusion. Ti is all about thinking for yourself, taking very little for granted; the answers other have might be wrong or can’t be applied to the given situation/person.
This is the same reason why we will try to give you all the information we can as to support you when in trouble, opposed to just give you one blunt Te statement as advice. It’s better you use the information to come up with your own answer to the problem. It’s like trying to lay out all the pieces for you, maybe even how they could be combined, but since it’s your decision you should be the one to put them together. If you can’t it means you’re not ready, a failed Jedi 😜
Robert Lindin it’s sorta hard when you see clearly what they could be doing for better outcome. Let them know all the information and ideas they need and still they don’t see the solution. It has gotten me to use Te quite frequently bc I would rather use Te than Fe to inspire them to action.
xxFPs @16:50 (:
Thank you, @Casual Cognition
One of my best gal friends is an ISTJ. We used to work together at a salon and the other girls always took things she said the wrong way. When everything she said was useful and true, she just had high values and didn't like to partake in gossip, like all the FJs and FPs we worked with. She is the best. ISTJs can be way better than people think.
-INFP
Rachelle D in socionics they're my conflictor (worst possible intertype relation), and although I won't lie and admit that it's very difficult for me to understand them and their rigid dedication to rules (and they don't get me either with my scatteredness and inconsistency), I still see that they have quite positive characteristics as well
Exactly, same with INTJs as well, people take what we say the wrong way when we're actually just brutally honest and usually are not intending any emotional harm
@@にちはHYPERSPACE We only dedicate ourselves to rules that make logical sense
An advice from an ISTJ: you shouldn't take the things we say personally. We usually don't intend to hurt people's precious feelings (sometimes we don't even give a rat's behind for them). We just want to get things done because someone has to lol
Not sure of my mbti but had a run in with istj a few times
They mean well they're just blunt and don't realise
I first just wanna say you two look amazing in these outfits :D And ISFP here! very accurate 😁 I‘d say I like most people at first unless they are unneccessarily bragging about themselves haha, that grates my nerves. Apart from that if someone is overly sarcastic and negative i can‘t do that for long either, it just drains my energy 😔 Thanks for this :)!
Soo interesting! Love your videos! I'm an INFP and I often get misunderstood as having some agenda with the things I say when in fact I'm just putting observations and ideas into the open to see where they go because it's FUN! Then people give me a look of "yeah? so whats the conclusion?" Oh the boredom of only talking about stuff that's relevant or useful!!
like why cant we just talk? it doesn't have to go somewhere. its so frustrating because i loooove conversations like that, its very fulfilling - being able to share your ideas and thoughts and then getting new viewpoints too. honestly other fp's or ne users are the best conversationalists if that makes sense hahaha
I'm a infp and I find it more difficult too Express my thoughts directly . My core makes me want to communicate abstractly. Which requires more explanations.......
Communicate with your words! LOL
I cant stand when people think out loud and say everything they think.
I can totally relate to the part about people being “too polite”. I know that some people just are that way, but for me speaking always has a purpose and doesn’t need any extra pleasantries and so that type of behaviour it makes me very uncomfortable. Like you said people being “too nice” kind of makes me question the persons motives (even though I know that I probably don’t have any real reason to).
I just found your channel, and I’m very happy I did. I’ve been quite interested in mbti for a while, but I haven’t really known of any people who make good videos about it until I found this channel. As an INTJ also really appreciate the fact that I can relate to most of what the INTJ-girl is saying. You’ve got a new subscriber :)
This content was mighty helpful as an INFJ dating an INFP. Watching you all interact is entertaining. I’ve always been curious about INTJs too... the people who also don’t like people. I like you.
In terms of Ti, think of it like this.
We’re trying to describe a car works. The Te user says:
“Press here, go forward.”
The Ti user says:
“Well, start with pistons. Then you assemble those positions into an engine...” and on and on.
Ti is like trying to describe a 3d shape by describing each side. It’s difficult and unless the other person does some of their own work they aren’t going to get it.
I have an INTP friend and you are so right! We'll be talking about something and he'll give this grand monologue and tell me all about the different facets of a certain point and.. I'll ask "so what?" And there is no what! There's no end point, it's just logical reasoning for its own sake rather than to achieve a goal!
And you know, he does try to inspire me and give me confidence.. aw I'm so proud of him developing his Fe 💕
Haha that is me (ISFP) and my ENTP husband all day, every day!!! Like, so....your point is?? And it’s nothing!! Every time! He still won’t have an answer or come to a conclusive decision EVER!
I'm an INTJ and I talk like this too to some extent, but I always get to the conclusions.
I’m an ENFP and I was friends with an ENTJ and I liked her honesty. But she had her moments where she was sarcastically mean, would condescendingly explain things when we got around the same grades, and call me “annoying” when she was drunk which hurt 😓
I've just realised that, when I share my 'I just had an idea' thoughts, I've found it VERY helpful to preface them with "this is just an idea, but..."
I'm Ti dom and I've realised that others interpret 'giving an idea' = 'giving an opinion', and assume you expect them to agree, when in fact we are so full of ideas that we just cannot be invested in all of them! Thus we need to negate that presumption at the outset.
The thing about the spicy meal is something I (an ISTP) would say, too. But not because “super spicy” wasn’t a well defined term. I just would compare the spicyness of the meal to my previous experiences with spicy meals and then choose an appropriate word that roughly relates to that point on the scale. But your experiences and therefore your rating scale might be different so your estimation could be completely valid. I would not necessarily want you to change your view. I would just want you to see (and accept) my side of things.
What could be debated however are the different types of spicyness. But I dont know of any specific words to describe those, at least not in English or German.
I think that Ti in Ni/Se users is more linear while still explorative, but Ti with Ne/Si is all over the place and very detailed.
The best way (possibly) to understand an xxtp (well, more intp) is hermeneutics. You start with a position, interrogate it, go round in a big loop with extra info, anecdotes and apparently disparate connections, eventually returning to the initial proposition. Now we have a deeper awareness of the position, we interrogate the components, anecdotes and connections, thus around the circle we go again.
Its not that we dont have a fixed end point, but its sort of like showing the working in order to elucidate the rules in order to test the proposition.
(INTJ) I would rank your TP description as my top style, with TJ and FP a third of the way down, and FJ in a pit somewhere.
That's actually something I think about when taking MBTI tests. On communication type questions it's hard to pick because that's where I have to consider who I'm around and where I'm at. If the whole world had a basic idea of MBTI, I'm sure people from school would think I'm ISTJ--I don't speak unless there's a point and it's to finish the project efficiently. My parents would likely peg me as INTP--I show a lot of TP communication traits in a familiar environment (and some FP if I can get away with yapping about something I like just because I'm exciting about it--emotionally or intellectually). If I'm with a friend that I'm fully comfortable with (so far have always been FPs) then I probably show FP, TP, and TJ almost evenly until the FP goes into the deep end, then my Te comes out more.
Between that, school, work, and bureaucracy, I would say Te hides when it's not needed, but if I'm getting impatient it comes out and makes things move along. I know a few other IJs like that--we prefer to curl up in introverted mode, have a developed third function, but function #2 comes out to "deal" with the world. EPs in my life seem to do the same thing in reverse--their second function is just a flavoring for 1 and 3, and they have to be burnt out before they get into reflection mode.
I think your Te hides because you are an Introvert and we introverts prefer to hide as a surviving strategy insted of..
This sounds somewhat how I felt watching the video. I think I communicate like TP sometimes and TJ other times. TJ probably more often at work and TP probably more often around people I’m close to in certain situations. I think I’m an INTP(still need to take the test) but I think I communicate like a TJ more often.
I really relate to the “define your terms” or, as I would say it, the “word specificity” aspect of communication for XXTPs. I usually try to choose the most accurate words to get my thoughts and my point across in the most specific, yet understandable, way possible. I can’t move on from the conversation easily until I find the perfect or second most perfect word. My friends have gotten used to this, to the point where they tell me to just come back to them once I find the word I want to use. Trying to choose the most accurate words is one of the reasons it has taken me almost 10 minutes just to finish writing this comment.
-ESTP
INTJ signing on. I enjoy your videos because they give me aha moments all the time. Activating Te function: PIEW! I would love if you guys used more concrete examples. When you discuss the uses of functions in abstract terms I get frustrated because I can’t pin down how it would play out at a party or in an office or on a date, and then the whole exercise has no point. I want to be able to match concept to experience CLICK right away.
Awesome video guys!!! I definitely do get suspicious when someone's emotional cues do not mirror his/her tone of voice, but at this point I am lot more developed with the conclusion.
pucokie are you the same person from 16types.info?
I don't think I have an account, but maybe- i'm not sure
About FJs instead of "external" value, which I don't really understand what it could mean, "collective" might be a better way to phrase it? The goal of Fe is Harmony. If you want to communicate in a comfortable way for a high Fe user, you're going to have to fosters common ground, harmonized goals, shared values. Use interpersonal pronouns "us", "we" "our". FJs are attentive to and value external signs of engagement in the discussion, look them in the eye! turn your body towards them.
Fuck off
I'm an ISTJ and my GF is an ESTJ so we are very direct and open with each other. If something needs to be said we say it.
Great video, ladies and very helpful. Thank you! As an INFP - I totally relate.
Thank you! This is beautiful! INFP 9w1 here!
You are right about FJ. We definitely look for body language and what emotions convey.
Hi ladies! This video reminded me of how uncomfortable I've always been at group gatherings where everyone sits in a large circle and is expected to say something about themselves, their experience at the event, their opinion, their take-away or intention, etc., with no opportunity to prepare or decline. To me, as an INTP, this was like torture! I could say things that were true and express ultimately genuine sentiments, but always felt like my delivery, my emotional affect in those moments, instead reflected my discomfort with being put on the spot or even unrelated emotions I happened to be processing in the moment! I would surely be suspicious of such apparent misalignment, too! Do you have any tips or suggestions for contrived situations like this, where you're expected to express sentiments or force things that aren't arising spontaneously in the moment, whether you want to or not? Granted, I don't find myself in as many of these situations as I did in childhood, but occasionally I will participate in some event where it's required. Thanks!
INFP: Hi! The way I see it is that I can't control how others react to me; I can only control how I act. And if I'm usually awkward, and don't see myself becoming less awkward anytime soon, then the next best thing I can do is to try to accept my awkwardness.
Thanks, Calypso! Yes, going in with a sense of already being accepted (no matter what) helps in such situations and in life in general. As well, I've recently come across the suggestion to pick out one person and speak to them...that way, one is not overwhelmed by the Fe attempt to accommodate or tailor the delivery to the perspectives of each person in the group at once.
you don't have to contribute to the group atmosphere or discussion if you feel very uncomfortable in doing so. And if people continue to push into your personal space/bubble, dont be afraid to be more vocal about your discomfort. tell them that you sometimes don't exactly feel as outgoing as some of the others, or whatever your reason is. If they accept you as you are and don't try to force you into anything you don't want to do, then they're real friends and keepers. but if they don't, then just don't waste so much of your energy trying to hang around them. there are people out there who will appreciate you for who you are, they'll find value in both your strengths and weaknesses and you'll find value in theirs. spend more time around those people and ditch those who take you for granted or otherwise not seriously (and who force you to change against your will).
tl;dr : don't bother trying to contribute to the spontaneous emotional expressions if you don't want to, just continue to be you and screw the haters! you will eventually find your people!
Thank you for the thoughtful and encouraging reply, Queen Beast. Although Calypso brought up the issue of acceptance here, in the situations I'm remembering the issue was not exactly a matter of sharing in order to be accepted. People have actually been quite welcoming. It's more a matter of how to share to be known. It seems like these large group/sharing scenarios can work well for, say, people who have Introverted Feeling (Authenticity) higher up in their cognitive function stack, for people who grew up in environments where 'how they felt about something' mattered, and even for people who are simply good at pretending and have no qualms about doing so. Although I've learned to have healthy boundaries and know (now) that my feelings matter, it is still difficult to know, let alone articulate, my personal feelings about something when I'm in a large group. I seem to need to leave the environment and be on my own for a bit. The din of everyone else's needs, desires, and expectations tends to drown out my ability to hear my own. If I'm interacting spontaneously, one-on-one, in a small group, or with people I know, it's not a problem.
you guys are so awesome!!!! Love your channel. Sincerely, Fi dom :D
I love your videos! However, you guys really need a better microphone!!
Yes. I had to pass on this video, even after hooking it up to speakers; because I just can't hear it.
What a lovely idea, an exercise in communication.
Day dreaming…
how to make them come true…
I've found that TJs will stop trusting what you say if you use too many references that they later find out were not FACTUAL. So communication can break down pretty easily, where they distrust what you are saying and just smile and nod being polite from thereon in.
Also, with TJ's I find they want me to define terms too.. or at least they want both parties to be using the same terms and will slow the conversation down to clarify. This is difficult for an Fi/Ne user who sees words as things to use like poetry and metaphorically instead of literally. Te types tend to use dictionary definitions too.. 'generally accepted' terms... or if working in a particular industry.. TJ's will expect you to use the right 'professional' terms for things.
You are otherwise considered unprofessional and they lose a bit of respect for you.
C C (1) I'll slowly stop trusting someone -- forever -- if they tell me things not based in facts.
(2) If they tell me something that is the opposite of known facts, I'll stop trusting them quickly -- forever.
If someone uses a word in a manner that seems questionable to me, I'll look up the definition in two or more places. If there are conflicting definitions, I'll also look up the historical etymology of the root words and use the definition(s) that are truest to the history of how the word evolved. If my understanding was off, I'll update my internal definition. Lesson learned! If the person who used the word was off, I'll tell them what the word means and how the word got its meaning.
(3) If that person continues to use the word wrong after that, I will decide that that person is... the closest words that describe it is "stupid" / "untrustworthy" / "deliberately misleading".
There is an shameless ENTP online who manages to do all three of these things on a regular basis. I dislike him. (INTJ)
Psyche Cybernetics & Socionics I completely agree.
Psyche Cybernetics & Socionics Thats good to know. Could you explain the reasons why it would be 'forever'?
I've just found this a common practice with INTJ's / ESTJ's I know. Are people seen as 'resources for facts' in a way? and thus there are plenty more reliable resources out there and it's not worth the risk of relying on this one source for truth?
C Hmm, it's hard to say.
(1) I can see looking at objects as being "resources for facts". But that doesn't seem to ring true for people as much. An individual is a good source for giving facts about their situation (if they're honest). But to get facts that are more generally applicable, facts that have more power to be useful in more situations other than just with that particular individual, then sources that have been *compiled* by multiple people with diverse walks of life and *tested in practice* by multiple people with diverse walks of life is my probable first choice. For example, wikis with visible revision histories of how multiple people have contributed. Or opening four results for a search and reading each, then deciding where they all should agree if their sum knowledge is combined. Maybe objects produced by people are potential sources of facts?)
People are more like "potential cooperators in actions". Good "cooperators in actions" are aware of (useful) facts and have aligned or at least non-conflicting intentions. Bad "cooperators in actions" are ignorant of or dismissive of (useful) facts or have conflicting intentions.
I'm being too general here to be useful but I'm not in the mood now to flesh this out with specific examples.
Omg I'm in a relationship with an ESTJ and he literally just says the same three things to show love, but I just learned that it means he's into that serious emotional feelings.
you all look so proffessional!
I love this video and Since I have TP, FJ and FP in my family. I think you guys are correct.
I have found that communicating with Fi users as a Ti user is quite easy (from experimenting on my ISFP brother) if you just throw the occasional variation of the word "unique" at them to describe them that seems to keep them happy (idk why).
Lol! Yeah...
My (INFP) best friend is an ISTP and she's one of the few people who understands me. It may be in a detached manner but I don't think I care.
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Yeah, istps can act a bit outwardly detached sometimes, but that doesn't mean that they dont care. in fact I've found the opposite to be true. they just have a hard time with expressing themselves emotionally, which is generally an IXTX thing. But they are genuinely kind people and you can still tell that even when they try to act like assholes
Yes I noticed this too. They all wanna be unique...it's really some identity issue there going. It makes me think of the emo kids of 10 years go who all used to say "i'm different, I'm unique", and then all wore the same clothes and listened to the same music...Oh yes, soooo unique...
@PowerRedBull do you have a personal issue with infps/fi users? i've seen so many of your comments that indicate a strong dislike🤔. you've said anything from fi users act like children, can't read people and assume everything based on their emotions, think they're special to that they're literally airheads that live in a dream state unaware of "true" reality. quite amusing. lmao keep writing i need to figure out what your deal is.
@@someone-cn8pt Ironically, he seems to have Fi about Fi😂😂
This is a great video you guys were spot on with everything! Please make a more in depth video including body language or gestures or micro expression whatever you mentioned you had in mind
I feel like i can read what people want.. so they should be able to read what i want ... i took me 30 years to find out I had to tell people.. and they can decide if they want to do it or not and THAT will show if they care or not. (My psychologist told me this..and my mind was blown) i wanted them to do it by reading my mind and doing it on their own initiative.. because I felt that showed they were actively looking for ways to please me and Really cared about me. But he explained not everyone loves the same... and not everyone ..especially men can figure things out... even with obvious hints 🤣 i was like ... OH!
Ti user here.
Te users: We think y'all cut corners, and might even cheat sometimes 😒. Y'all think we catastrophize, talk in circles, and never make up our minds.
We need your assurance that the worst case scenario won't happen irl, or that we won't be singled out by the sum of random collective decisions. i.e. Old Maid, "the cheese stands alone", booby prizes.
We struggle with procrastination from analysis paralysis/perfectionism.
That means we love it when Fe doms drag our slightly underdressed @sses to an unfamiliar social occasion. We follow your lead. We may complain at first, but more often than not we're grateful we took up the offer.
We also love it when a Te dom teaches us an easy, practical skill and shows us when to stop fussing about it. C'mon Ace, that's good enough - you're done there! Good job! Let's do something else, huh?
Thx! 🤗
This is so funny. My sister is always yelling at me for making a single decision she says I’m a kid who sees all those shiny things and can’t come up with the thing I really want, she also says she’s not going to be always with me for making my decision but I don’t really care that’s it.
Fyi my sister is an intj and I am an entp 😅
ENFP and defiantly agree :D Nice video !
Could you do a video on unordinary eneargram and mbti combinations?
I could really use that one. I've been browsing articles and forums lately now that I've looked deeper into E5 and learned that other than the studiousness, it doesn't align with me at all. But 4 and 9 are close...but I'm INTJ. Though I think of my Te and Fi as relatively leveled out, so that probably tinkered with my direction of development.
This is me as an fp I am thankful for learning n information I still choose what to take or leave but bouncing my views out their openly expressing ppl always see it as an opposition or a debate n attack me they always misconcept what I was intending n yes I never push myself on anyone if I’m firm on anyway it’s when I’m never ever respected listened to or allowed my views on matters n where it affects the underdog etc n these we care about
Still watching the vid, but wanted to comment (I’m an infp...not INFJ like my name would suggest lol): the point you made about using Fe, if you are not an Fe user being simply a mimic of Fe: yes, that can be the case. But each primary function also shares its opposite function. So an INFP might have about as much Fe as it does Si, because feeling is their primary function, and even though they are primarily Fi users, there’s still about 1/4th of Fe. Every personality has the ability to use every existing function. Just wanted to clarify. Love your vids and content!
INFP: Yes, socionics says we have strong Fe but don't value it :)
Ah! Thanks for the clarification :). No, I definitely don't lol.
yeah I seem to notice this *a lot* in INFP's ...They seem very proud not to use Fe or act in a Fe kind of way. Their view of Fe seems the most negative functions out of all types. Yet, then later on the same INFP can go cry in a corner because they do not feel understood, alone or any other thing which might simply be the result of not having used any Fe whatsoever...
That's interesting. What you described as Ti when you were talking about xxTPs sounded a lot like how some use Ne. Ne doms like to explain things just for the sake of exploration without any end game or commitment to any of the ideas presented. How would you differentiate between the two in such cases? Apparently, Ne and Ti look similar externally?
Thank you!!! INFJ married to an ESTJ, I need all the help I can find!
omg, that hard
Omg you are brave. Had a hard time with estp they are also blunt. I'm not sure of my mbti but I'm quite sensitive to negativity
@@denisesiddon7241 Lol yes estjs are so harsh Are you between mbti types? Maybe infp? Maybe infj, but I think for infps it would be impossible to be with an estj
ok, strangely, when you described the fj, this sort of reminded me of my infp friend that sometimes i think uses high fe, now i am confused on her type again lol. SHE REMINDS ME OF AN FJ BUT SHE ISN'T. Ahh, so confusing. (shes a 2w3 too, which might explain things xD)
2w3?? That sounds more like ENFJ than INFP. INFP doesn't have much correlation with 2w3 but ENFJ does. What makes you think she's not FJ? Any particular reasons? Is she shy? Shy is not the same as Introverted. Plus Fe isn't even in the first four functions of an INFP, so that doesn't make much sense. Not trying to argue with you; I'm just trying to understand.
I can say with 100% certainty she is not an enfj. Being around her she expresses the various functions that are nfp, a little part of me thinks she could be an enfp with trauma, and they tend to have high fe, sometimes she reads a bit too into someones contradictory actions and words is what i meant seemed like a really fj thing as stated in the video, she does have alot of trauma that prevents her from being able to go anywhere without her family which does affect it. Also in real life its pretty clear she has blind se lol. But, she is still a 2w3, and an infp. It is possible. I probably didn't answer that well so sorry if i didn't. edit: wait she might be a 3w2, lel i can't remember) so in other words it has to do with her shadow functions and how those developed to assist her conscious ones.
(came back with more answers) if you watched the video where calypso and alex help type that one girl who could not decide between infj and infp, its something similar to that in situation. She was taught by her isfj? mother how to be altruistic, and to give, basically her mother constantly taught her these things that are fj like the girl in the video from before.
@@tulip5210 Hey, can you give me the link of the video? I'm really curious cos i can totally relate. Thanks
I love you guys! Y'all are awesome!
I would appreciate your vids more if you’d get a proper microphone. Please.
I am ENTJ.
I also have trouble understanding sometimes
xxFJs, hit or miss in my opinions. I like a lot of things about them, especially ISFJs, but the moment they interpret my lack of emotional expressiveness as insincerity...my first instinct is to cut them out of my life.
what is your type?
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Well yes, being stoic and unmoved by things often comes off as robotic and withdrawn, ie insincere.
What else do you expect?
Yeah, when people act like that they make me uncomfortable.
-INFJ
Please add time stamps for each function
19:03 since i am too lazy to go in depth, but same girl same. lol. Sorry for the spam. .
Hmm, I have been reading 12 Rules for Life by .Jordan Peterson,. I think he is an INTP. A lot of what you guys said did run through my mind while reading. Ex; "What am I supposed to do with this information?" He seems to go Ti mode sometimes and just give a gist of what he thinks. Haha good book
He seems too talkative to be an intp.. Wanna take a look at a real intp? Elon Musk, look no further.
He has strong Ne, but also fairly strong Si. Those two would only be balanced in the middle two slots, so you might be right. Only other possibilities besides INTP-with high Ne [the most obvious thing about him] would be; ENTP [too weak Si]. And that's really it, as I don't believe his Ne is weaker than his parent function and he's definitely not INFP or ENFP-those types are very distinctive and not at all like him. Interestingly, I would have listened to maybe 400hrs of his UA-cam lectures, but am struggling with 12 rules for life. His Ne comes out-he's far more playful in his vids than in the audiobook; which seems very Si severe and is a slog by comparison.
Yeah. I think he’s ENTP
Why do I feel like I communicate like a TJ sometimes and TP other times? There’s no logical pattern of when I do it either.
Edit: the more I think about it, the more I think I’m naturally a TP but I trained myself to talk like a TJ.
Bc people can’t be conveniently placed in 16 buckets defined by someones.
Great video! But it was a little hard to understand some parts because of the audio, there was like an echoey feedback, maybe the microphone?
I agree with what you recommended for how to communicate to FP. I like them HOT (hot-open-transparent)!
TP is like every professor ever.
I’m not quite sure what my MBTI type is. One test told me that I was an INFP and the other one told me I was an INFJ.
INFP = Strong Fi and weak Te - conversations are mostly about self or others
INFJ = Strong Ni and weak Se - mostly conversations about objects or things
Just look at and understand the cognitive functions of each type. Then pick the type you most closely relate to.
TPs i think are typically dodgy in that they will tell you not to eat cookies for yada yada logigal reasons, and then they secretly go and eat a cookie. They want to inspire but have no follow through. Whereas TJs sounds a little more diplomatic when they tell you not to eat the cookie, and trust me they aint eating that cookie.
(Somehow this sounded sexual lol but most likely relevant to that area too 😂)
Because they can find as many if not more logical reasons for eating the cookie themselves. They have no subjective good, or bad. Just objective reasons.
Negative feelings after we know you yes I agree!!
I don't know how to type people yet I still watch these videos. thanks for nothing (you did good, I just don't know how to use this information. I like the video!)
I find TJs to be intimidating and controlling, FJs to be caring and highly sensitive, TPs to be bullies or sarcastic or very selfish or needing freedom or if introverted very stand-offish or self-absorbed and needing freedom and FPs to be wild, caring or doing what they want to do with freedom whether introverted or extroverted.
10:08 hm.
My style is legit everything
I had good experiences with an INTJ though
...when you know it's going to be a good video so you like it before even watching xD
Hello, have you guys ever thought about maybe functions have certain patterns in the way they dress. I know obviously that styles vary from person to person, but I mean like subtle things like maybe a TE user would wear vary functional clothes without to much decoration or something. This is an open question I’d really like to hear peoples opinions on this because it’s not talked about very much.
They made a video called 'INTJ and INFP Discuss Fashion and Beauty'
from 6 months ago, you should check it out.
INTJ men often wear tan-colored cargo pants, they tend to wear plain, one-color t-shirts, and they have a long water bottle, might wear their keys in a visible spot outside their pants instead of keeping them in their pocket, and might wear hiking tennis shoes. (Some of these could also be INTP men too) And of course there's also INTJ men who never were cargo pants and never carry a long water bottle with them, etc., but if you see someone with a combination of these clothing choices, the chances are much higher that they are INTJ more than most of the other types.
I think there's for sure some correlation between how types generally dress, which bascially too implies a trend between functions and styling. It would make sense though that the functions combined together create the prefered style in the end, in the concrete world...It would be interesting to analyse exactly though! Even before I ever knew the functions, I seemed to spot the difference in clothing between judgers and perceivers, where the intiutives would go for the more styled mainstream looks, and the perceivers a bit more non mainstream 'different' looks (like alternative-ish) and a bit less neatly styled. Perceivers tend to prefer more wild hair while judgers seem to prefer neat ones. These are all just tendencies I've noticed, so no cold hard 'always true' Te kind of always-truiths..
I'M WAITING TO SPILL THE BEANS.
This channel might be good for fi/te users, but their understanding and explanation of the ti/fe is quite poor. It's basically similar to when they were talking about these functions before, and while this video tries to attempt to go into the subject more it's doing nothing more than throwing in some clichés and that's it. Because of this I often end up leaving this channel quite disappointed, knowing nothing more than I did before about my own judgement functions. It's so obvious neither of them has them or seems to put in any decent amount of effort to really get them. If that's the case, then why even bother to try to get into the topic at all. The infp always seems to express she does not get Ti, do if you still don't , investigating it might be a good idea.
PowerRedBull yes i agree. especially on the part where they talk about FJs read more into how you express yourself than what you actually say. the “uuugh, yea this” reaction when the INTJ started talking about this is usually exactly what FJs pick up. people being annoyed at FJs for just wanting to be sure if someone actually mean something they say, cause there’s like a chance you just say “i understand” or just say whatever you think they wanna hear just to shut them up.
i think its just shit the INFP talks about how you gotta understand how they are just not that emotionally expressive (which i do accept as a big difference between Fe-users and Fi-users and i understand how that is actually fucking hard for Fi-users), but not really get into why FJs really value what you express.
as a FJ i think i rather have you not tell me anything than telling me in a shitty leave me alone tone how you’re feeling. i do agree with that explaining how that works would help, but i’ve come across a lot of immature Fi-users who like think you should just understand that its hard for them, without wanting to do the explaining.
Oh u guys are not holding your glasses of wine anymore
So true
TPs are the funniest
16:53 :)
I just want to offer some constructive criticism here. I noticed so much turbulent laughter from both of you especially at the end of the video. I understand that you are trying to serve Fe and relieve the social tension created by your judgments but it hits my Fi as totally inauthentic. "There's nothing funny being said, why are they laughing?" I think your communication could benefit from being more assertive. Try to be confident that you have good reasons for the judgments you are making and be comfortable with the social tension they create. This will make you more persuasive communicators. I love your channel, keep it up!
WOAH I DON'T WANT TO APPLY ANYTHING UNLESS IT'S MY SUNSCREEN
ask, clarify, ask, clarify, ask, clarify THEN act - I need to show this to my mum..
holy this is one giggly ass video.. im having a hard time focusing XD
你好漂亮的姑娘。我是白美国人。
Fi, so infantile yet the most important component in knowing: what do _I_ want?! Detached life is… detached.
stop laughing
Stop Giggling!
Yeah intj ,now I'm gonna judge how many 'it's like' you are repeating, for the girl on the left. I would appreciate it more if you make your videos more valid, stating points directly rather than an actual girly conversation. I can't hear what you want to say if you keep laughing at every sentence you say. Not an insult , but I think you could gain more subscribers by improving
TJ > FP/TP > FJ