*I want to give Kudos to those pilots and enroute controllers who work together to improve the safety and comfort during cruise.* When we fly as passengers we don't realize how much work pilots do in the cockpit. See how awesome the coordination is here where pilots transmit their turbulence conditions so that other flights can avoid it. Great job!
Nice video, but I sometimes get picky, so here are some things I picked up (besides some "go ahead"s and such you probably didn't bother with) 3:30 is it here in 360 - regarding the turbulence? 3:38 let me call (out?), one second 4:22 ...it smoothed out for us... 4:52 ...about the time everybody started complaining is when it started for us {just extending the ellipsis you had} 5:39 ...we need some more information from you
Thank you for your sharing. It is really clearly understanding what happened in there. The mostly injured passangers were not safe belt fastened or not tightened as well. Thanks god, cabin attendants were safe except two of them.....fasten your seatbelts during all flight!...it is serious!
Joe Smith - of course! One appreciative Turkish pilot *must* mean the rest of the population aren’t usually cooperative! * “Today’s lessons on logical fallacy, specifically: *hasty generalisation* and Racism 101 was brought to you by Mr Joe Smith”
I love how "severe turbulence" is like this enigma that pilots are super apprehensive to speak of. "You had severe turbulence?" "Ehh, more like more than moderate." *screaming and glasses breaking in the background*
I used to think that as well! I learned in school recently that when you use the term "severe" it means you've lost total control of the aircraft. So even when they use "moderate", for those in the cabin, that is severe.
For those wondering why pilots are so hesitant to say 'severe turbulence' is because if you declare severe turbulence that triggers a few things, to start you have to do a lot of paperwork, the airplane has to go to maintenance to check everything. It is like declaring may day, if you have to do it you do it, but it isn't something you really want to do.
Walter Sobchak being insulting and using fowl language is just not necessary. If your proud of that and it makes you feel superior then more power to you.
@@brad_Ca His first comment makes no sense. It's obviously way out of proportion compared to the message he's replying to. Obvious troll is obvious, just don't bother man.
I’m often in awe of bi or tri-lingual pilots, controllers etc. To be able to communicate clearly, sometimes under enormous pressure over a long period of time, in a second language really takes hard work and skill. Hats off to them.
While you're certainly right, Ash, here in Europe it's nothing out of the ordinary. We usually have English lessons from primary or at least the start of secondary school onwards, plus oftentimes a second foreign language later on. And with the advent of the internet, where speaking English is kinda the norm, a LOT of people speak it at least moderately well here, even if it isn't their native language. Even moreso in e.g. Scandinavia, where most movies are not dubbed, so if you want to enjoy them, you learn the language early on.
@Blair Group I speak 4 languages... so I get what you are saying. HOWEVER, if you actually listen (e.g., atc.net) to what passes as Engrish from Chinese pilots, you'd be appalled.
mgoblue0970 China used Mandarin for ATC until 2015 when they switched to English - you’re coming off slightly racist there. I don’t want to be rude or anything, but there’s a reason that isn’t explained by racism or assumptions!
@@zackaplowitz You don't know what the definition of racist is. Again, go to any ATC video on youtube and listen to a Chinese airline. The standard is English is the international language of aviation. If someone cannot meet the standard, that's not racism. Moreover, someone identifying a Chinese pilot speaking gibberish isn't racist, it's a safety hazard.
And its not even a latin language. Like when I spek german and than try to switch to turkish its kinda harder than switching to english even though I learned english in school and not at home.
I love this comment! 🥰 If you've ever worked frontline customer service, you've encountered a lot of people who make THEIR bad day YOUR problem.... whether they're a customer or a colleague!! 🤦🏻♀️ This pilot had a bad work day but was nothing but courteous to everyone, while still communicating clearly. Big props!
Impressed with the Turkish pilot. He managed to be in command, professional, and polite, all at the same time. There is a lesson to be learned there. So many times inflated egos get in the way of civility in these cases.
I loved the way of Turkish Airline’s pilot saying “Thank you for your cooperation” in most of his communication. Such a nice pilot with good piloting skills. Well done.
That's why you should keep your seatbelt closed during the entire flight and not have any luggage out of the compartments that might injure you when it flies around.
VASAviation - Exactly. I wear my seatbelt except for when I’m going to the toilet and even then I try to ensure there’s not any turbulence when I do. I always tell this to my fiancée and family. We flew in June, 8 of us and my younger sisters 2 year old, and had to tell them all, there are literally zero reasons to be sat in your seat without the seatbelt on, so put it on. It can go from smooth to head hitting the ceiling quicker than it’ll take you to realise the severe turbulence and put your seatbelt on. Just like when in a car and waiting on the side of a road for whatever reason, I always keep my seatbelt on and tell whoever is in the car to keep them on. If you’re on the side of a main road, and don’t have to get out and are waiting for someone or something, again there’s no reason to take your seatbelt off. Cars can still hit you, even if you’re stationary and on the side of the road.
I loosen it just a bit to be more comfy, but it's always on (except when going to bed the toilet or stretching my legs). Once I had pretty good turbulence when standing and doing the guy business on the toilet. That was, interesting! (and I didn't miss One Drop! =)
yeah right, tell this to the sheep because they won`t listen anyway. It enters one ear, and goes out of the other... I don`t understand too people who open their seatbelts after reaching cruising altitude... They might think that those clouds are actually pink fluffy clouds from cartoons, lol.
When a pilot says that turbulence is severe then it is really really bad for passengers. In pilot’s language, even moderate turbulence is bad for nervous flyer
Yep, "severe" means "large, abrupt changes in altitude and/or attitude - aircraft momentarily out of control". The only step worse is "extreme", which means "aircraft violently tossed about, practically out of control, structural damage possible". Even "moderate" isn't nice, that means "changes in altitude and/or attitude, but aircraft remains in positive control" - the effect on the cabin is described as "unsecured objects dislodged, food service and walking difficult"
@@QemeH Yeah, moderate is when you feel like you're falling several metres at a time, anything on your tray table wants to fling itself off, and you can look out the window and see the wingtips waggling what seems like it surely must be an unhealthy amount.
I was in that flight as a passenger and it was terrifying as hell. It was like a movie scene and we thought plane was falling down for a really short while. Some passengers and flight attendants hit to ceiling of the plane and then hit back to floor really hard. As someone who doesn't have flight phobia before, I could say I have one now. Thanks for everyone who makes us landed safely. The lessons learned for me as a passenger, keep your belts fastened and do not loose them. Cause you could still hit your head top of the plane with loose belt during a severe turbulence. (By the way it was 10 hours flight.)
I’m glad you now know to actually fasten your seatbelts 😂. Speaking as a pilot myself turbulence is honestly nothing to be scared of in respect to the plane working fine. Especially when you are in these huge planes in that high of an altitude. The training that goes behind putting the pilot on the cockpit is very extensive and it is safer to be in an airliner than even driving. But I understand the fear just want to point out that there really isn’t much to be scared of. Take care
@@Aditya-wg3lp thanks for answer and the joke :) Im glad you are not the one who experienced it. In 10 hours flight it is hard to sit all the time, sometimes you need to use restroom. And i didn't know that before that our belts should be really tight and any looseness could cause you hitting your head top in severe turbulence as my friend did. And it was still scary cause close to 20-30 people injured and one flight attendant broke her leg in front of our eyes. I could understand your point about turbulences, they are not dangerous for flights and it doesnt mean that plane will fall but still it was scary. Take care too
Thank you for the added info! I couldn't figure out how so many got injured; I hadn't known that level of turbulence was possible! I'm glad you got put safe.
Though I realize it was no consolation at the time, this might be of some consolation now: you were never in danger of dying. The plane itself is designed to tolerate far more turbulence than a layperson could possibly imagine (or tolerate, being shaken like a penny in a washing machine). The wings can flex and twist many feet in either direction without breaking off. It's not GOOD for the plane, but it can certainly take it and has been tested to do so before it was allowed to carry passengers. Consider the airplanes that the hurricane hunters use - they literally fly through the eyewall of hurricanes dozens of times a day. The reason they were hesitant to call it "severe" turbulence is because what passengers would consider the nightmare of a lifetime (as you describe) is actually usually only "moderate". Again, this goes to the ruggedness of the designs. "Severe" means the pilot is afraid the g-stresses are exceeding the airframe limits, which is a VERY rare level of turbulence, so bad that the pilot can't even read the instruments or operate the controls. "Greater than moderate" is the artful term the pilots use here.
@@btezgel I watched a guy on a BA flight take his belt off as soon as the cabin crew checked before takeoff. I just sort of gave him a look and he had some crap to say. Anyway about 3 hours into the flight we had the light come on and hit turbulence. The first bit was a little frisky and then it calmed down but they left the light on. Then out of nowhere it was insane and the worse I've been in and I'm a pilot. Needless to say when the guys head bounced off of the overhead bin I let out a laugh. But I shouldn't have because he was seriously hurt and while not paralyzed I heard he broke his neck. We had to divert to Iceland where he was taken off of the plane on a stretcher.
@@southjerseysound7340 just this weekend i had a guy stand up after landing before the plane was stopped. the plane had to do an emergency braking. the dude fell of course, same story. most people don't believe the seat belts are necessary or that these things happen. ive also had a single time were turbulence were so harsh you'd take off your seat and get shaken around the plane. wasn't a fun one and i'd rather not have this again. nobody was hurt in my case (the turbulence built up slowly to the "omg that's really shaking now" so everyone actually must have put their seat belt on that time - including all crew)
That's a tricky area. I'm a former flight attendant and remember encountering a lot of nasty turbulence in the Boston-Newfoundland corridor during the winter. Oftentimes it comes out of nowhere, like you're flying along perfectly fine and then all hell breaks loose. I'm glad they landed safely.
At school we went to New York from UK, and hit turbulence just as you described that came out of nowhere and lifted you off your feet a bit. Absolutely not fun when it hits as you're mid piss 0/10
When a pilot says "Moderate turbulence" usually for passengers it feels like they're going to die. When a pilot says "Severe turbulence" after the fact, it means all the occupants of the cabin were shaken like balls bearing in a spray paint can. Unbelievable what that front plane endured.
I remember this incident for a couple of reasons: 1. We were departing JFK for Madrid when the Turkish aircraft reported the turbulence. We received a message from dispatch about the turbulence just north of us along our route of flight. I, as the PIC, elected to stay at a much lower altitude and deviate to the east of the turbulence area. We successfully avoided all turbulence and soon rejoined our planned route and filed altitude for the trip. All was well after that... 2. Several days later I was called by the chief pilot's office and asked to file a report of why I put our flight attendants and passengers in jeopardy by traversing a known severe turbulence area. A couple of the flight attendants on board the flight heard about the turbulence after the fact (eight hours or more) and became incensed that I endangered their lives. This incident is a good example of how little authority the pilots in command of airliner aircraft do actually have anymore. No one who was questioning my actions - ex-post-facto - had any idea of what was really going on at the time and what the real-time conditions were. Pilots: Never, under any circumstances, trust your flight attendants with your careers. Do not tell them anything that cannot be upheld legally in court. In deference to the chief pilot's office, once they heard my explanation they dismissed the whole affair immediately.
@@Adirondaque they don’t understand the factors related to flight like pilots do. They hear any thing that is danger in the sky and think that it could affect the plane. This pilot obviously planned a way to avoid it with known levels and intensity’s. Flight attendants aren’t decision makers and their input should not be relied on when flying. It’s not a democracy in a plane. The PIC and SIC are the people who make decisions about the flight.
Pilot's language: More than slight turbulence, we would like to continue descending, please. Have a good day. Translation: Avoid this airway like hell, we are plummeting!!! Many injured!!
ATC did a great job of checking in on the other aircraft so they were aware of the turbulence issues. By doing so the ATC likely prevented similar events on some of the other aircraft.
When my father was still working as a medical doctor, he travelled to the USA a couple of time to visit international medical specialists' meetings. During one such flight, a medical emergency occurred. The Captain requested if there was a doctor onboard. My father got up and went to the aisle where the injured person would be. There he met three senior medical specialists who just scowled at him. He returned to his seat because the patient was getting plenty specialized medical assistance already. There were probably a few dozen more medical specialists on the same plane attending the same meeting.
What a situation to be in, and hearing so many Turkish Airlines pilots on frequency when I was flying in Europe, always appreciated their command of English. Good job, guys...
The pilots that fly mid range aircraft are not very great. I didn't really have very smooth landings with them. But the long haul pilots are pretty much one of the best.
Sometimes that makes things even worse for the controller. Sitting comfy, knowing there is someone out there in severe difficulties, (s)he can't reach out to help except via the radio.
You only have to hear the calmness and total control in the Turkish pilots voice this is who I want in charge of my aircraft during these incidents.He sounds kinda military with how he says the callsign good job Sir
With ten known passengers injured, that would have been a full MCI for FDNY! (Mass Casualty Incident) I know Fire/EMS is not VASA's thing, but I would like to hear that dispatch go out! Both for PAPD and the FDNY.
Fantastic professional job. The pilots all kept their calm and nobody lost cool. Very impressive job. The descriptions on the radio was enough to build a photo in your mind.
Absolutely love this video! Great communications between fellow pilots and Air traffic controllers to safely get a bird down to aid in medical assistance and of course to show how professional these situations are handle. Great stuff!
I've been on a few flights with insane turbulance. Once the drink cart was right next to me and slammed into the roof throwing drinks everywhere. Had me laughing so hard when over all the screams you just hear the seatbelt ding.
What an amazing job ATC and especially the pilots did here! Of course, it’s their job and they are training for situations like this one but anyways if it is real and still going on, it‘s just worth a round of applause to stay that calm and help the other flights as well as being so polite!! Congratulations to ATC crew, pilots and cabin crew on this one. Hope all injured people are doing better by now!
I've heard so many foreign pilots speaking in english. I'm actually pretty impressed. That's why turkish Airlines is one of the best Airlines in the world
This guy spoke amazing English but also keep in mind that they are required to. ATC and commercial pilots are required to know enough English to communicate effectively everywhere from the USA to Turkey to China. That doesn't mean English is always used within each country for aviation, but you will never hear anything but English when flying outside of your own.
When you apply to Turkish Airlines they’re doing all of the interviews and tests in English so you need to know English before applying. And they want toefl or ielts. If you pass the tests they are going europe and US for training. (I’m Turkish btw)
@@KaaNxxBlacK they don't send their cadets abroad anymore for training. turkish has her own academy in turkey and has agreements with bunch of other domestic flight schools as well. they also lowered the English skills requirements to ielts 6, it's fair to say the quality is decreasing.
@Blair Group Agreed. I've been learning German for the hell of it the last six months and kind of came to the conclusion early on that a fair chunk of the German-speaking population speaks at least some if not proficient English. Fuck it suppose.
you can tell that American 729 is feeling the stress of the situation. lots of them were feeling it. The pilots did a fantastic job an i have a feeling it was worse than they let on.
Thank you to you and your radar graphics developer for the enhancements to visuals. Those of us who are on mobile and/or not so familiar with ATC screens can now really understand how everything fits together. Thanks for taking all our suggestions on board, it's really appreciated!
Jet stream shows a well defined edge north of Boston today. Because winds can go from near zero to 150kts in a matter of a few miles along the edges of the jets stream this often causes moderate to severe turbulence.
Like ship navigation where it was derived from a lot of information about relevant minute-to-minute conditions is just passed from craft to craft. Excellent team work among ATC and all the pilots.
Believe me, for a doctor it's not always that lovable... Last time I was called to a passenger the FA told me some super funky history of a recent change in the distressed lady's ultrasophisticated medication for whatever weird condition, perhaps experiencing side effects, some weaning off and so on. On the way there I tried to figure if I understood at least just a grain of what I didn't and how to deal with it without anything useful on board. The poor lady just had a panic attack.
The professionalism, compassion, understanding, cooperation, teamwork, and genuine concern gave me chills. Bravo to every person involved. Extra kudos to Boston Center for recognizing that all hell was breaking loose up there and being very responsive with altitude requests. When things get dangerous it's time to buck up and do what it takes. Mop up the mess later, but do what it takes to keep people as safe as possible.
Well done to everyone for bringing plane into land with live captain, pilot,and passengers in one piece after that nasty strong turberlance. Well done to ATC and all emergency vehicles as well. Thank you so much Annie
I just seen this in the news earlier. That was fast! But really sad to hear about what happened to the Euthopian Airline. My positive thoughts to all their loved ones.
@@VASAviation It's also nice to hear the pilot professionalism in these too. I mean people who hear something like X amount of people injured on plane due to turbulence tend to think pilots are idiots for going into it, but they don't understand the amount of work and co-operation between multiple planes and the ground that try to prevent these happening in the first place.
You can tell in the Piots voice he was worrie about his crew that broke her leg. Than he snapped out of it and got back to business. You want this Captain flying you. Cool and calm under extreme stress.
Thank you very much for your fantastic work. I would not even call myself an aviation enthusiast but your videos have completely changed how I perceive a flight as a passenger. I have never realised how much cooperation and exchange of information is going on between pilots and ATC. I am also astonished at the level of courtesy, politeness and helpfulness in their conversations. Thank you again.
Thank you for watching! As a pilot myself I find your comment amazing that I am able to transmit my love for aviation to people and get them interested. Appreciate it.
On my recent flight, the plane dropped pretty drastically a few times. When we landed there was heavy storm and flash flood outside of the airport. Glad the pilot did a great job at landing.
Could you imagine being at a gate ready to board your plane and all of a sudden you see a billion ambulances and medics rushing on to a plane and hauling 30 injured people off like the next gate over lol.
My father often fly as test engineer on bombers being repaired or modified in Victoria during the Second World War. He used to tell of a time when flying from Melbourne to Tasmania when they hit an "air pocket". The plane dropped straight down. There was someone walking through the plane carrying a cup of coffee. The coffee stayed put as the cup dropped down and then landed in the cup without spilling a drop. I wish someone would fix those potholes in the sky. No joke, that is serious stuff to encounter.
They did a great job up there! Pilots that would make a phone call after the incident to know how their passengers are. Very efficient, imagine they are flying the plane and taking care about what is going on back there.
I'm always impressed by the efficiency and clarity... Attempting to resolve a problem without accusation or prejudices. Everyone working together in the best way they can to get the best result for everyone. I would love to see that approach in more areas of humankind.
You slightly mistranscribed AAL729 at 1:56. This is probably important to the plot: he said "We're still IN IT at 30." Less important to the plot: The last part ICE615 says at 3:30 is "regarding the turbulence". In other words, he's trying to find out in advance how bad it's going to be as he defends through the worst of it. Only trying to help, not nitpick! You know we love what you do!! :-)
I have some friends who are quads and since seeing how difficult it is for them to just remain upright in a car or plane, I have made it a practice to wear my seatbelt. Nothing like seeing someone who has no control of balance etc. in a car being completely subject to all the forces involved, to make you respect the value of a seatbelt.
@VasAviation These videos are always great, and my favorite to listen and watch!!! Thank you for always putting them out here! Do you manually type the ATC conversations, or do you have a program that translates it? The only reason I ask, is because sometimes you can clearly hear something said, but the text is completely wrong. Just checking :) I am sure this is a hard job to do, so I commend you for always putting these out fast and accurate.
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*I want to give Kudos to those pilots and enroute controllers who work together to improve the safety and comfort during cruise.*
When we fly as passengers we don't realize how much work pilots do in the cockpit. See how awesome the coordination is here where pilots transmit their turbulence conditions so that other flights can avoid it. Great job!
Nice video, but I sometimes get picky, so here are some things I picked up (besides some "go ahead"s and such you probably didn't bother with)
3:30 is it here in 360 - regarding the turbulence?
3:38 let me call (out?), one second
4:22 ...it smoothed out for us...
4:52 ...about the time everybody started complaining is when it started for us
{just extending the ellipsis you had}
5:39 ...we need some more information from you
Thanks, Chris!
@VASAviation
Nice job getting this video/audio so quickly.
Call me a softy, but I love hearing people of all colour and creed coming together when people are hurt. That was a great job by all involved.
Thank you for your sharing. It is really clearly understanding what happened in there. The mostly injured passangers were not safe belt fastened or not tightened as well. Thanks god, cabin attendants were safe except two of them.....fasten your seatbelts during all flight!...it is serious!
Give the pilot a raise for every time he said "thank you for your cooperation". true legend
Being professional and kind at the same time :)
@@VASAviation yup, these are the pilots that we need
Maybe the cooperation is not that common in turkey... ;)
Joe Smith - of course! One appreciative Turkish pilot *must* mean the rest of the population aren’t usually cooperative!
* “Today’s lessons on logical fallacy, specifically: *hasty generalisation* and Racism 101 was brought to you by Mr Joe Smith”
Joe Smith Maybe you are a racist who has sh*tty jokes ;)
I love how "severe turbulence" is like this enigma that pilots are super apprehensive to speak of.
"You had severe turbulence?"
"Ehh, more like more than moderate." *screaming and glasses breaking in the background*
I used to think that as well! I learned in school recently that when you use the term "severe" it means you've lost total control of the aircraft. So even when they use "moderate", for those in the cabin, that is severe.
Here is the what happens in the background ua-cam.com/video/bwfvsXCJ6mI/v-deo.html
Reporting severe turbulence requires a maintenance write up and inspection. Including an ASAP.
In aviation everything is accurate!
Molly Rae nope
For those wondering why pilots are so hesitant to say 'severe turbulence' is because if you declare severe turbulence that triggers a few things, to start you have to do a lot of paperwork, the airplane has to go to maintenance to check everything. It is like declaring may day, if you have to do it you do it, but it isn't something you really want to do.
The pilots on Turkish 1 did a great job taking care of the plane, passengers and crew. 👍
Indeed :)
Outstanding pilot in command. i'd fly with him anytime.
Walter Sobchak why are you criticizing and saying offensive words for someone who is simply making a supportive comment?
Walter Sobchak being insulting and using fowl language is just not necessary. If your proud of that and it makes you feel superior then more power to you.
@@brad_Ca His first comment makes no sense. It's obviously way out of proportion compared to the message he's replying to. Obvious troll is obvious, just don't bother man.
I’m often in awe of bi or tri-lingual pilots, controllers etc. To be able to communicate clearly, sometimes under enormous pressure over a long period of time, in a second language really takes hard work and skill. Hats off to them.
While you're certainly right, Ash, here in Europe it's nothing out of the ordinary. We usually have English lessons from primary or at least the start of secondary school onwards, plus oftentimes a second foreign language later on. And with the advent of the internet, where speaking English is kinda the norm, a LOT of people speak it at least moderately well here, even if it isn't their native language. Even moreso in e.g. Scandinavia, where most movies are not dubbed, so if you want to enjoy them, you learn the language early on.
@Blair Group I speak 4 languages... so I get what you are saying. HOWEVER, if you actually listen (e.g., atc.net) to what passes as Engrish from Chinese pilots, you'd be appalled.
mgoblue0970 China used Mandarin for ATC until 2015 when they switched to English - you’re coming off slightly racist there. I don’t want to be rude or anything, but there’s a reason that isn’t explained by racism or assumptions!
@@zackaplowitz You don't know what the definition of racist is. Again, go to any ATC video on youtube and listen to a Chinese airline. The standard is English is the international language of aviation. If someone cannot meet the standard, that's not racism. Moreover, someone identifying a Chinese pilot speaking gibberish isn't racist, it's a safety hazard.
And its not even a latin language. Like when I spek german and than try to switch to turkish its kinda harder than switching to english even though I learned english in school and not at home.
The turkish pilot gives us an example on how to be kind and professional. I'd even say that kindness is a high level of professionalism.
I love this comment! 🥰 If you've ever worked frontline customer service, you've encountered a lot of people who make THEIR bad day YOUR problem.... whether they're a customer or a colleague!! 🤦🏻♀️ This pilot had a bad work day but was nothing but courteous to everyone, while still communicating clearly. Big props!
Impressed with the Turkish pilot. He managed to be in command, professional, and polite, all at the same time. There is a lesson to be learned there. So many times inflated egos get in the way of civility in these cases.
Thank you for your cooperation
I loved the way of Turkish Airline’s pilot saying “Thank you for your cooperation” in most of his communication. Such a nice pilot with good piloting skills. Well done.
That's why you should keep your seatbelt closed during the entire flight and not have any luggage out of the compartments that might injure you when it flies around.
I personally do at all times when I'm seated. Not only turbulence but also decompression. Watch this --> ua-cam.com/video/cnSizWZVyD4/v-deo.html
Agree! I keep mine fastened because you never know when it’s gonna hit and I’ve witnessed people get tossed around in their seats.
VASAviation - Exactly. I wear my seatbelt except for when I’m going to the toilet and even then I try to ensure there’s not any turbulence when I do.
I always tell this to my fiancée and family. We flew in June, 8 of us and my younger sisters 2 year old, and had to tell them all, there are literally zero reasons to be sat in your seat without the seatbelt on, so put it on. It can go from smooth to head hitting the ceiling quicker than it’ll take you to realise the severe turbulence and put your seatbelt on.
Just like when in a car and waiting on the side of a road for whatever reason, I always keep my seatbelt on and tell whoever is in the car to keep them on. If you’re on the side of a main road, and don’t have to get out and are waiting for someone or something, again there’s no reason to take your seatbelt off. Cars can still hit you, even if you’re stationary and on the side of the road.
I loosen it just a bit to be more comfy, but it's always on (except when going to bed the toilet or stretching my legs). Once I had pretty good turbulence when standing and doing the guy business on the toilet. That was, interesting! (and I didn't miss One Drop! =)
yeah right, tell this to the sheep because they won`t listen anyway. It enters one ear, and goes out of the other... I don`t understand too people who open their seatbelts after reaching cruising altitude... They might think that those clouds are actually pink fluffy clouds from cartoons, lol.
When a pilot says that turbulence is severe then it is really really bad for passengers. In pilot’s language, even moderate turbulence is bad for nervous flyer
Wow
Yep, "severe" means "large, abrupt changes in altitude and/or attitude - aircraft momentarily out of control".
The only step worse is "extreme", which means "aircraft violently tossed about, practically out of control, structural damage possible".
Even "moderate" isn't nice, that means "changes in altitude and/or attitude, but aircraft remains in positive control" - the effect on the cabin is described as "unsecured objects dislodged, food service and walking difficult"
During one of my first flights we flew through a thunderstorm & had light turbulence. I was still freaking out.
@@QemeH Yeah, moderate is when you feel like you're falling several metres at a time, anything on your tray table wants to fling itself off, and you can look out the window and see the wingtips waggling what seems like it surely must be an unhealthy amount.
I was in that flight as a passenger and it was terrifying as hell. It was like a movie scene and we thought plane was falling down for a really short while. Some passengers and flight attendants hit to ceiling of the plane and then hit back to floor really hard. As someone who doesn't have flight phobia before, I could say I have one now. Thanks for everyone who makes us landed safely. The lessons learned for me as a passenger, keep your belts fastened and do not loose them. Cause you could still hit your head top of the plane with loose belt during a severe turbulence. (By the way it was 10 hours flight.)
I’m glad you now know to actually fasten your seatbelts 😂. Speaking as a pilot myself turbulence is honestly nothing to be scared of in respect to the plane working fine. Especially when you are in these huge planes in that high of an altitude. The training that goes behind putting the pilot on the cockpit is very extensive and it is safer to be in an airliner than even driving. But I understand the fear just want to point out that there really isn’t much to be scared of. Take care
@@Aditya-wg3lp thanks for answer and the joke :) Im glad you are not the one who experienced it. In 10 hours flight it is hard to sit all the time, sometimes you need to use restroom. And i didn't know that before that our belts should be really tight and any looseness could cause you hitting your head top in severe turbulence as my friend did. And it was still scary cause close to 20-30 people injured and one flight attendant broke her leg in front of our eyes. I could understand your point about turbulences, they are not dangerous for flights and it doesnt mean that plane will fall but still it was scary. Take care too
Thank you for the added info! I couldn't figure out how so many got injured; I hadn't known that level of turbulence was possible! I'm glad you got put safe.
Though I realize it was no consolation at the time, this might be of some consolation now: you were never in danger of dying. The plane itself is designed to tolerate far more turbulence than a layperson could possibly imagine (or tolerate, being shaken like a penny in a washing machine).
The wings can flex and twist many feet in either direction without breaking off. It's not GOOD for the plane, but it can certainly take it and has been tested to do so before it was allowed to carry passengers. Consider the airplanes that the hurricane hunters use - they literally fly through the eyewall of hurricanes dozens of times a day.
The reason they were hesitant to call it "severe" turbulence is because what passengers would consider the nightmare of a lifetime (as you describe) is actually usually only "moderate". Again, this goes to the ruggedness of the designs. "Severe" means the pilot is afraid the g-stresses are exceeding the airframe limits, which is a VERY rare level of turbulence, so bad that the pilot can't even read the instruments or operate the controls. "Greater than moderate" is the artful term the pilots use here.
NEVER remove belts unless necessary!
For real. people dont really grasp that they were flying through the air at hundreds of miles per hour at 30+ thousand feet in the air.
@@btezgel I watched a guy on a BA flight take his belt off as soon as the cabin crew checked before takeoff. I just sort of gave him a look and he had some crap to say. Anyway about 3 hours into the flight we had the light come on and hit turbulence. The first bit was a little frisky and then it calmed down but they left the light on. Then out of nowhere it was insane and the worse I've been in and I'm a pilot. Needless to say when the guys head bounced off of the overhead bin I let out a laugh. But I shouldn't have because he was seriously hurt and while not paralyzed I heard he broke his neck. We had to divert to Iceland where he was taken off of the plane on a stretcher.
@@southjerseysound7340 just this weekend i had a guy stand up after landing before the plane was stopped. the plane had to do an emergency braking. the dude fell of course, same story. most people don't believe the seat belts are necessary or that these things happen. ive also had a single time were turbulence were so harsh you'd take off your seat and get shaken around the plane. wasn't a fun one and i'd rather not have this again. nobody was hurt in my case (the turbulence built up slowly to the "omg that's really shaking now" so everyone actually must have put their seat belt on that time - including all crew)
I always put my seat belts on, that sometimes I forgot they are still fastened when it's time for me to leave my seat and get off the plane. 😂😂😂😂
@@horekere xD me too
Well, even the pilots sound alarmed .... Imagine what the passengers felt
Image you need a calm spirit
Pilots: yawn....
Passengers: "Omg we're gonna die......ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"
Usually turbulence is no biggie, but THIS!
Bet they were ready to deploy parachute😭🤣
M-m-m-m-o-r-r-r-ee than m-m-m-m-o-d-d-derate t-t-t-turb-b-b-b-bulence
Very impressed with Turkish pilot and all other professionals communication and action, best wishes for all
Amazing pilots! Turkish did a great job of relaying information and helping out other pilots in the area!
I like that pilot. Extremely professional. ATC was spectacular also.
That's a tricky area. I'm a former flight attendant and remember encountering a lot of nasty turbulence in the Boston-Newfoundland corridor during the winter. Oftentimes it comes out of nowhere, like you're flying along perfectly fine and then all hell breaks loose. I'm glad they landed safely.
VegasGirl35 I am Turkish and fly to NYC very often and in winter I really hate that part of the flight. Scary turbulances.
is this flight alt of 3600 ft ?
At school we went to New York from UK, and hit turbulence just as you described that came out of nowhere and lifted you off your feet a bit. Absolutely not fun when it hits as you're mid piss 0/10
So if you know that you take your seat in that area right? ;-)
@@bill1260 no, 36000 ft. FL360 - 36000 feet high, FL240 - 24000 etc.
When a pilot says "Moderate turbulence" usually for passengers it feels like they're going to die. When a pilot says "Severe turbulence" after the fact, it means all the occupants of the cabin were shaken like balls bearing in a spray paint can. Unbelievable what that front plane endured.
If a pilot says its severe turbulence then it is severe turbulence.
When the pilot say severe turbulance its gonna be a 7.0 magnitude earthquake there
I remember this incident for a couple of reasons: 1. We were departing JFK for Madrid when the Turkish aircraft reported the turbulence. We received a message from dispatch about the turbulence just north of us along our route of flight. I, as the PIC, elected to stay at a much lower altitude and deviate to the east of the turbulence area. We successfully avoided all turbulence and soon rejoined our planned route and filed altitude for the trip. All was well after that... 2. Several days later I was called by the chief pilot's office and asked to file a report of why I put our flight attendants and passengers in jeopardy by traversing a known severe turbulence area. A couple of the flight attendants on board the flight heard about the turbulence after the fact (eight hours or more) and became incensed that I endangered their lives. This incident is a good example of how little authority the pilots in command of airliner aircraft do actually have anymore. No one who was questioning my actions - ex-post-facto - had any idea of what was really going on at the time and what the real-time conditions were. Pilots: Never, under any circumstances, trust your flight attendants with your careers. Do not tell them anything that cannot be upheld legally in court. In deference to the chief pilot's office, once they heard my explanation they dismissed the whole affair immediately.
flight attendants bad just good for coffee then?
@@Adirondaque they don’t understand the factors related to flight like pilots do. They hear any thing that is danger in the sky and think that it could affect the plane. This pilot obviously planned a way to avoid it with known levels and intensity’s. Flight attendants aren’t decision makers and their input should not be relied on when flying. It’s not a democracy in a plane. The PIC and SIC are the people who make decisions about the flight.
Apparently you should never drink the coffee as the tank is never cleaned
Thanks for the wise advice
Turkish pilot was excellent and acknowledged help of ATC !
His Turkish accent is mixed with English,my man,that sounded really clear to me as a Turk
Pilot's language: More than slight turbulence, we would like to continue descending, please. Have a good day.
Translation: Avoid this airway like hell, we are plummeting!!! Many injured!!
ATC did a great job of checking in on the other aircraft so they were aware of the turbulence issues. By doing so the ATC likely prevented similar events on some of the other aircraft.
When my father was still working as a medical doctor, he travelled to the USA a couple of time to visit international medical specialists' meetings.
During one such flight, a medical emergency occurred. The Captain requested if there was a doctor onboard.
My father got up and went to the aisle where the injured person would be.
There he met three senior medical specialists who just scowled at him.
He returned to his seat because the patient was getting plenty specialized medical assistance already.
There were probably a few dozen more medical specialists on the same plane attending the same meeting.
What a situation to be in, and hearing so many Turkish Airlines pilots on frequency when I was flying in Europe, always appreciated their command of English. Good job, guys...
Turkish pilot is a hero what a professional 👏👏👏
That pilot did a good job and that doctor to with so many injuries.
Wow that turbulence must have been frightening up there!! I am glad pilot keeps calm I'd be needing change of underwear at landing.
I literally read the news report for this accident hours ago! Much credit to you for always being so quick at uploading these videos.
Trying my best ;)
@@VASAviation You always seem to be on the ball. Do you ever sleep? The videos are very good, and keep 'em coming!
VASAviation - we see it and appreciate it very much!
Snappy, professional and polite, can't ask for better.
Canadian Controller checking in.....well done by the pilots. Extremely professional.
wow turkish pilots seems great!
windtalker indeed they are.
The pilots that fly mid range aircraft are not very great. I didn't really have very smooth landings with them. But the long haul pilots are pretty much one of the best.
@@kampfpanzerleopard346 ye
@@kampfpanzerleopard346 dude our Turkish Airlines' pilots are mostly retired F16 pilots. Dont worry :)
as a turkish person myself, i agree! the flight attendants and pilots are always polite and the pilots make a smooth landing each time.
Pilots and ATC are wonderful when they work together, this was a prime example! :-))
Pilot was in severe turbulance Controller only sitting
Sometimes that makes things even worse for the controller. Sitting comfy, knowing there is someone out there in severe difficulties, (s)he can't reach out to help except via the radio.
You only have to hear the calmness and total control in the Turkish pilots voice this is who I want in charge of my aircraft during these incidents.He sounds kinda military with how he says the callsign good job Sir
With ten known passengers injured, that would have been a full MCI for FDNY! (Mass Casualty Incident) I know Fire/EMS is not VASA's thing, but I would like to hear that dispatch go out! Both for PAPD and the FDNY.
Really calm pilots. English pretty good.
Almost like they have to take a proficiency test in English to be a commercial pilot... oh wait..
Great airmanship. Hope everyone is okay and will recover soon!
I hope everybody was ok. Fantastic job by the ATC and all the pilots involved. 👏👏👏👏👏
Fantastic professional job. The pilots all kept their calm and nobody lost cool. Very impressive job. The descriptions on the radio was enough to build a photo in your mind.
Made my partner listen to this; he who never keeps his seatbelt fastened after takeoff.
The Turkish pilot was awesome!!
imagine waiting at the gate for your flight and 30 people come off on stretchers
Absolutely love this video! Great communications between fellow pilots and Air traffic controllers to safely get a bird down to aid in medical assistance and of course to show how professional these situations are handle. Great stuff!
You got this up fast! Nice!!
What exceptional professionalism from the pilots + controllers.
Pure professionals. What a great performance by the pilots , crew and approach and ground. Also emergency crew.
I've been on a few flights with insane turbulance. Once the drink cart was right next to me and slammed into the roof throwing drinks everywhere. Had me laughing so hard when over all the screams you just hear the seatbelt ding.
Holy moly ._. Hope they are all okay by now. Wish the flight attendant and all the others a fast recovery. :)
What an amazing job ATC and especially the pilots did here! Of course, it’s their job and they are training for situations like this one but anyways if it is real and still going on, it‘s just worth a round of applause to stay that calm and help the other flights as well as being so polite!! Congratulations to ATC crew, pilots and cabin crew on this one. Hope all injured people are doing better by now!
I've heard so many foreign pilots speaking in english. I'm actually pretty impressed. That's why turkish Airlines is one of the best Airlines in the world
This guy spoke amazing English but also keep in mind that they are required to. ATC and commercial pilots are required to know enough English to communicate effectively everywhere from the USA to Turkey to China. That doesn't mean English is always used within each country for aviation, but you will never hear anything but English when flying outside of your own.
Gotta say I was also amazed by the high level of English of this guy.
When you apply to Turkish Airlines they’re doing all of the interviews and tests in English so you need to know English before applying. And they want toefl or ielts. If you pass the tests they are going europe and US for training. (I’m Turkish btw)
@@KaaNxxBlacK they don't send their cadets abroad anymore for training. turkish has her own academy in turkey and has agreements with bunch of other domestic flight schools as well. they also lowered the English skills requirements to ielts 6, it's fair to say the quality is decreasing.
@Blair Group Agreed. I've been learning German for the hell of it the last six months and kind of came to the conclusion early on that a fair chunk of the German-speaking population speaks at least some if not proficient English. Fuck it suppose.
I love the cooperation. Makes thinking of flying to be less stressful.
Thank you very much for the quick upload, highly appreciated!
Turkish at ease with comms at JFK for a change. Job well done
Very professional pilots. Great work.
you can tell that American 729 is feeling the stress of the situation. lots of them were feeling it. The pilots did a fantastic job an i have a feeling it was worse than they let on.
Turkish pilot did a great job.
Thank you to you and your radar graphics developer for the enhancements to visuals. Those of us who are on mobile and/or not so familiar with ATC screens can now really understand how everything fits together. Thanks for taking all our suggestions on board, it's really appreciated!
Jet stream shows a well defined edge north of Boston today. Because winds can go from near zero to 150kts in a matter of a few miles along the edges of the jets stream this often causes moderate to severe turbulence.
Like ship navigation where it was derived from a lot of information about relevant minute-to-minute conditions is just passed from craft to craft.
Excellent team work among ATC and all the pilots.
Great work to the pilots and ATC.. Great to see professionalism at its best when the pressure is on.
Thank you for work- yet another great post.
We do have a doctor, but he just keeps asking us to stop calling him Shirley.
I love how there's always a Doctor onboard xD
Believe me, for a doctor it's not always that lovable... Last time I was called to a passenger the FA told me some super funky history of a recent change in the distressed lady's ultrasophisticated medication for whatever weird condition, perhaps experiencing side effects, some weaning off and so on. On the way there I tried to figure if I understood at least just a grain of what I didn't and how to deal with it without anything useful on board.
The poor lady just had a panic attack.
Thank you for posting so quickly.
Thanks for watching!
Good job by the pilot. Kept calm and in control.
So there was the “is there a doctor onboard” trope on that flight, thankfully it wasn’t “is there a pilot onboard”
The professionalism, compassion, understanding, cooperation, teamwork, and genuine concern gave me chills. Bravo to every person involved. Extra kudos to Boston Center for recognizing that all hell was breaking loose up there and being very responsive with altitude requests. When things get dangerous it's time to buck up and do what it takes. Mop up the mess later, but do what it takes to keep people as safe as possible.
I am a Private pilot and I fly commercial often.
#1 Rule.... SEATBELT ON AND TIGHTENED. You are flying through the sky at over 400 mph.
Well done to everyone for bringing plane into land with live captain, pilot,and passengers in one piece after that nasty strong turberlance. Well done to ATC and all emergency vehicles as well. Thank you so much Annie
Good job on the fast upload!
I just seen this in the news earlier. That was fast! But really sad to hear about what happened to the Euthopian Airline. My positive thoughts to all their loved ones.
I absolutely love the callout of the ramp, other airports, and 🗽 in this one
Wow u are fast.... I really appreciate the time and effort you put in to these video’s to get them to us as fast as possible 🙏
Thank you very much ;)
@@VASAviation It's also nice to hear the pilot professionalism in these too. I mean people who hear something like X amount of people injured on plane due to turbulence tend to think pilots are idiots for going into it, but they don't understand the amount of work and co-operation between multiple planes and the ground that try to prevent these happening in the first place.
You can tell in the Piots voice he was worrie about his crew that broke her leg. Than he snapped out of it and got back to business. You want this Captain flying you. Cool and calm under extreme stress.
Thank you very much for your fantastic work. I would not even call myself an aviation enthusiast but your videos have completely changed how I perceive a flight as a passenger. I have never realised how much cooperation and exchange of information is going on between pilots and ATC. I am also astonished at the level of courtesy, politeness and helpfulness in their conversations. Thank you again.
Thank you for watching! As a pilot myself I find your comment amazing that I am able to transmit my love for aviation to people and get them interested. Appreciate it.
Hopefully the cabin crew was/is alright n recovers quickly and goes to what she would luv doing
Great analysis 👍👍
Salute to the pilots, the crew and the atc
When you work on tower but it doesnt have subtitles
oof
i can't stop watching your videos and idk why haha, but i sure enjoy them
On my recent flight, the plane dropped pretty drastically a few times. When we landed there was heavy storm and flash flood outside of the airport. Glad the pilot did a great job at landing.
very professional pilots!!!
Could you imagine being at a gate ready to board your plane and all of a sudden you see a billion ambulances and medics rushing on to a plane and hauling 30 injured people off like the next gate over lol.
My father often fly as test engineer on bombers being repaired or modified in Victoria during the Second World War. He used to tell of a time when flying from Melbourne to Tasmania when they hit an "air pocket". The plane dropped straight down. There was someone walking through the plane carrying a cup of coffee. The coffee stayed put as the cup dropped down and then landed in the cup without spilling a drop. I wish someone would fix those potholes in the sky. No joke, that is serious stuff to encounter.
They did a great job up there! Pilots that would make a phone call after the incident to know how their passengers are. Very efficient, imagine they are flying the plane and taking care about what is going on back there.
At 4:48 the trailing bit of the comment from AAL105 that got missed is: "about the time everybody started complaining is when it started for us".
man i have watched like 30 of those videos in a row, can someone explain me why?
Coz you love aviation like me...(~10 in a row and still counting)
In my case it's avoidance of more important tasks
I'm always impressed by the efficiency and clarity... Attempting to resolve a problem without accusation or prejudices. Everyone working together in the best way they can to get the best result for everyone. I would love to see that approach in more areas of humankind.
I know zero about ATC or planes ... and yet here i am ...
Cuz NATO language is cool? Lima Oscar Lima!
You slightly mistranscribed AAL729 at 1:56. This is probably important to the plot: he said "We're still IN IT at 30." Less important to the plot: The last part ICE615 says at 3:30 is "regarding the turbulence". In other words, he's trying to find out in advance how bad it's going to be as he defends through the worst of it.
Only trying to help, not nitpick! You know we love what you do!! :-)
Thanks, Shelli!
First paragraph, last sentance: you wrote "as he defends through" I think you meant "as he DESCENDS through" 😋
I have some friends who are quads and since seeing how difficult it is for them to just remain upright in a car or plane, I have made it a practice to wear my seatbelt.
Nothing like seeing someone who has no control of balance etc. in a car being completely subject to all the forces involved, to make you respect the value of a seatbelt.
Kudos to the pilot.
I recollect getting in an air pocket on Emirates flight from GIG to EZE. That was hell of a ride I should admit 🙃
I was reading that a guy actually broke his leg during the turbulence. You know it's serious when stuff like that happens. Great video again VAS.
It was a female flight attendant who broke her leg
She BROKE her leg? I thought it was just a laceration?
“Up to 30 passengers assessed by medical personnel, 5 of which required treatment and 15 of which *claimed* whiplash”
@VasAviation These videos are always great, and my favorite to listen and watch!!! Thank you for always putting them out here! Do you manually type the ATC conversations, or do you have a program that translates it? The only reason I ask, is because sometimes you can clearly hear something said, but the text is completely wrong. Just checking :) I am sure this is a hard job to do, so I commend you for always putting these out fast and accurate.
I type it all manually.
@@VASAviation Wow! Thats incredible! Good on ya!
One of the many reasons I leave my seatbelt fastened the entire trip
"She is female... of course" 🤣
Job well done god bless .
Damn busy day for this channel
I love that I watched this video before I heard about this on the news