Last Days on the Catamaran & What We Thought (MJ Sailing - EP 100)
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- Опубліковано 7 тра 2019
- Now that we have spent a few weeks sailing and living on a catamaran, what do we think of it vs our monohull?
We can't believe our time on the Island Spirit 380 is coming to an end, so we try to enjoy our last few days in Koh Chang to the fullest. With long lounging breakfast in the open air cockpit, we get ready to start our day on shore.
Renting a scooter so we can cover more ground, we drive up to the Klong Plu Waterfall. It's much taller than the one we saw in Koh Kut, but big boulders and deep pools keep you from taking a nice swim underneath it.
With our set of wheels we also take in a beautiful sunset at White Sand Beach, before walking down the strip of road there for dinner once the sun goes down. Famous for its street food, there are dozens of stalls set up that will offer you almost any kind of Thai food you can think of....and all incredibly cheap!
Then, it's time to return the catamaran to the base. Having spent two weeks aboard a multihull boat, we give a little insight to our thoughts on cruising a catamaran...and if one will ever be in our future.
Much love from Thailand,
Jessica, Matt & Georgie
Great vid, I enjoyed your input on Catamarans! and even got a little "Doodles" fix!!!
makes sense. you are doing this to see the world and the view is much better from the deck of a cat. it would be interesting to see a video
of your logic in picking out a project boat ( storm damaged?) and where you might choose to set up shop to do the work.
have a fun week!
Probably not looking for storm damaged boat. I'm more interested in something that just needs a good spit polish and interior redo.
We were interested in this boat, but the broker never wrote back to me... good thing, since we aren't ready yet :) www.yachtbroker-charters.com/multihulls/A1352S-Jeffcat-44.html
Matt
We really enjoyed watching your experience in Thailand. Thank you for sharing and looking forward seeing Elements again.
Very cool you met up with "Sailing Doodles" Bobby and Laura. My two favorite UA-cam vlogs. MJ Sailing and Sailing Doodles. 👍
As vacations go I feel you are off to a most excellent start. Can't wait to see what else you have to show us. Thanks.
great video thanks ,look forward to more ,good luck on your travels
Thailand has been great fun with you. Looking forward to Cambodia. What a grand experience. Love it!
Excellent review on the cat. First time I've heard discussed the view considerations. Makes complete sense now. Thanks for this! Thumbed.
Famous last words “the next boat won’t need as much work as Elements”...😂😂😂 Life on a cat looks like the perfect way to live/travel over there. 👍👍✌️✌️
I just tell Jess that it will be less work to get her aboard.... better to ask forgiveness than permission :)
Matt
Great insight that the catamaran has given you.
Agree with you concerning the monohull vs. the catamaran. Of course if one could afford the carqamaran it would be a good choice for someone my age (76). Keep the videos coming as they are great.
I agree... 56 yl.
Great video work! Looking forward to the northern latitude adventure!
We are glad you had a fabulous time in Thailand. I was in the Air Force (1964) in Thailand but much further north of your location. Thanks for the comparison of mono vs. cat.
Beautiful video as always, so enjoyable from freezing cold North Yorkshire uk xxx
Well done on posting your hundredth video. It’s been a pleasure watching your travels and seeing your video skills improve. Keep up the great work. Looking forward to see how you get on in the British Isles & Ireland. You may not get the warmest weather but you’ll get a warm welcome I’m sure.
OH! And congrats on episode 100!! You and your family's should be very proud of that =)
"Lots of power between Matts legs" I literally LOL'd! That was good!!! When I win the lottery I will make your dreams come true! ;) You guys are great!
Pork chops and potatoes.... y'all are just going to love Norway. ;-)
Doodles are good people to follow, but you two need to make your adventure your own! Thank you foe bringing us along!!! Fair winds to you both!
Thank you so much, that was perfect. For me, I wasn't looking for in-depth analysis but rather impressions from two experienced sailors. And once again you have proven my opinion that Georgie is a true sailor :-)
Oh you guys are going to LOVE Angkor Wat!
Nice vid
Geez...amazing waterfall.mates....doing good mates ~
Time to look for an aluminum cat refurb project, twice the fun! :)
Worst idea ever 😂. I'd love a Mumby aluminum cat, but only if in good condition.... No refitting an aluminum boat again.
Matt
Two mamasitas together, wow.
I just went back to mono after six (6) years living and cruising on a catamaran..I loved the catamaran......Fair comparison that you guys gave...I could right a chapter on differences but....It comes down to 2 things.....Livability (cat) vs Sailing (mono) ..Yes there are a few expensive exceptions... A few things with your comparison is the newer boats are pretty open and airy down below, wider beams and sleeping in your salon is boat specific...Also I enjoy the physical cockpit at anchor more in a mono as you are up higher looking over the deck (360), cozier sitting with guests, better airflow, etc.......Cats win on my scale 7 out of 10 times in Livability.....Monos win 7 out of 10 times for sailing characteristic.......It all depends on what type of cruising and how you will use the boat. You hit the nail on the head that (I know you want your hull in Northern Climates), but heating a catamaran in cold weather sucks.....
Very Nice 😍👍
Greetings from North Norway. Nice to hear that you are planing to go to Norway. The region of Helgeland is nice to sail in. At app. 66 deg north. The most stable weather is in end of juli, beginning of august. Have a nice trip. :-)
Clearly, one of each is the way to go. Dream Large:)
Bobbie and Laura, awesome yal met them. Great sailors
Bacon Wrapped Mushrooms...... that's crazy-talk! If you gotta eat mushrooms...wrapped in bacon IS the way to go! All the food you guys plowed through looks mucho delicious. And the adventure on the Catamaran has been AWESOME! Thanks for sharing.
I was getting ready to ask you two if you got the cat from Island Spirit because you seen it on Sailing Doodles... But than i seen you were actually hanging out with them. I wish you had a little more content with them tho! :/ But it's ok, I'm sure cocktail hour had y'all slurring a little to much to be talking to a camera ;) lol I bet it was a lot of fun tho! And if i ever hit the Mega Millions I'll hook ya up with a Cat in return for teaching me everything you know about sailing... Just because you are one of my favorite Sailing UA-camrs that are fellow Michiganders... Sailing Solianis is tied with you. I love both of your channels =) If you haven't checked them out, you should!
Great video you guys look great on a cat.
My back of the napkin calculation is that a 42 foot catamaran is most comparable to a 70 foot monohull. A catamaran is two monohulls and a party barge in one. A big ketch with a center cockpit will put you on top of the boat, a 360 view and can be enclosed.
Befor styrene, meal were served on Banana leaf plates
Really missing you guys on Elements!
When you do reach the nordic seas...You will be impressed by the Dutch sail boats, especially the raised salon versions....
Cheers
Godspeed
Enoki mushrooms. They look so good... This series of videos makes me think of spending a year or two there. And, Matt get the catamaran. You know Jess will love it after the refit (just try not to take 1 or 2 years). Cheers
Your own boat is perfect , you own it , you made it what it is , you sail anywhere in it and can do and it doesn’t owe you $200 k going down in price and it’s safer in a blow
Parabéns comadante e linda princesa com um lindos olhos maravilos que Deus abençoe ao lindo casal maravilos
Great video folks. Don't forget the fact that you can anchor in much shallower water in a Cat...which is nice.
Luckily, we only draw 3' with Elements and can sit flat on its bottom, so not that much of a gain for us with most catamarans. The 18" of a Gemini beats it, but that's a rarity and not the norm in larger cats.
Matt
Congrats on Ep. 100. Waiting patiently on more videos from Elements and the northern latitudes! Any thoughts on meeting up with Sailing Ran. Would love to see two Aluminum hauls next to each other.
The next video shows us returning to Elements, so not much longer now! I wish we had the opportunity to meet up with Ran, but at the moment they're working their way down the west coast of the US and plan to begin a Pacific crossing next year.
Nice video - My wife pointed out that you failed to mention her number one reason why she likes a cat better and she kinda got mad LOL that you didn't point how much nicer it is walking and doing things hen on a catamaran when your destination is 100 miles in to the wind thus the need to tack all day long and saying she would often be cooking nice meals on the cat when under the same conditions on our old monohull she wouldn't even consider attempting to make that same meal! I agree with her, and any comparison between monohull and catamarans would be neglect not to mention this very big and important difference!. THANKS
I couldn't include the lack of heeling since we have experienced a passage on a cat. But just being able to sit something down on a counter without it sliding and spilling has to be amazing. I hope to find out someday on our own cat :)
Matt
Hi guys how did you cope with the heat? I remember that Matt prefers cooler weather..I've really enjoyed this part of the journey, thanks so much for sharing.
Wow, my two favorite sailing teams meet up! Is Laura as energetic in person? Lol...ya I think the Cat is a more liveable space.
Catamarans put a lot more stress on the sails, stays and masts simply because they don't heal to spill the wind. They are more stable till they are not, they actually capsize easier and there is an additional mode for capsizing with swells as the catamaran will try to stay level with the slopes of the waves and swells so when they are broached by waves and swells they can capsize just from that while a monohull will maintain it's heal despite the waves and swells. I think people become fooled by the catamarans seeming stability and push the boats further than they should. Of course, so long as you are aware that the stability I'd misleading and reef earlier, climb up the mast to inspect the stays more often and generally step up your maintenance then a catamaran does have the advantages of comfort and space. Note, many marinas charge two slips for a catamaran.
Looking forward to see you in the baltic Sea... maybe we actually meet each other... if time and place falling together 😀 do you post your actual position somewhere?
thanks for the catamaran vs monohaull section of the video. i was going to ask a couple of them questions here but they been answered, i was wondering if you got footage of georgie leaning into waves and adjusting.
We have one very dark and poorly lit video of her leaning against the door to the head while underway. 😹
@@MJSailing
thats awesome
Love Big Bang Theory, Funniest American show on the box.
If only we could find a way to get seasons 10-12....we haven't seen them yet!
@@MJSailing Seen them all here in Australia in fact we're on the final season at the moment unfortunately 😢😢
Never got it...
@@garysouza2277 that's a pity.
@@dougborrett3566 Not really...
Damn... that tuctuc must have a some hundreds horsepower engine!
At least it sounds like that :) :) :)
Oh by the way... you forgot to mention the extra space on a catamaran for the water slide :)
Cesar
I forgot about the water slides!! Totally need to get one on the next boat! 😃
Catamaran, monohull what’s your favourite? Well when I rode motorcycles when asked what my favourite bike is my answer was always “The one I am riding at the time”. I’ve never sailed a cat but my sense is my answer to the cat/mono question would be the same. Face it, for those of us fortunate enough to live and cruise on a sailboat this is a pretty good gig regardless of how many hulls are underneath us.
Thanks for your candid thoughts on the comparison. I like your style and am looking forward to your northern adventures.
Thanks. My goal is to try them all long term before I go making grand statements of which is best :)
Matt
They must be pretty busy with bookings after your charter. I emailed them to look at booking something in a week ago with no response lol.
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You can get a lot more speed out of a cat and all without keeling over that much. Some don't like the extra hull banging the waves but you don't get much of that if you don't plow waves! Hope to see you guys in one a few years down the road!
Jess put out a video when you were working on Element that was titled "A Tour of the Boat Graveyard" (Episode 39) that had a blue Catalac cat pictured in her tour of the boat yard. Catalacs are an older boat but there's something about them that appeals to me. They're supposed to be a great live aboard, you can beach them if necessary and they're supposed to be a great sea boat. The down side is they're not as fast as the newer cats.
Anyway, keep the great videos coming. You two have a GREAT channel.
When we do start looking for a cat, I think we'll lean towards something quicker. Luckily, a lot of home built cats are the faster style and sell for less then the big manufacturers.
Matt
Now I did not figure you as a shy one, but I must agree this open design cat is not my idea of comfy sailing, much prefer a boat with salon, but then again I am much older that you guys and only like boats that is as close to a floating condo as for instance a lagoon or such, love your eastern adventures, good sailing, still missing the kitty.
Joelene Preising: I don’t think anyone likes living in a fishbowl. ⛵️🇨🇦
You're right....while the Island Spirit is a very cool design and we absolutely LOVED the view from the cabin....for full time cruising I think we'd want something that offers a bit more privacy.
Plenty of trashed fiberglass catamaran hulls half sunk in the Carib right now. Just wrangle one to land on hardstands and get to work!
Ohhhhh, yes. And we saw a good number of them getting ditched in Simpson Bay Lagoon while we were in St. Martin. I'm sure there are a few hidden gems among them, but not sure we can trust the integrity of most of them! 😟
Thx for your comments on multi-hull boats. Glad you were warm this winter. ;-) Happy trails and cheers.
Glad you enjoyed it! Now we just need to find where to keep ourselves warm next winter while the boat stays in England. 😉
The motion in a seaway with a catamaran gets much more pleasant if you go above 40 feet. I guess thats the reason why cats between 40 and 45 feet are so popular- still managable sailarea and relatively affordable pricerange, for a cat that is.
Moody 54ds. Tge way to go
So does the catamaran have Matt thinking about a new boat 😀😀😀😀
Matt is *always* thinking about the next boat. I think it will be a long time before we settle down with any particular kind for more than a few years, and there's still a lot of options he wants to try!
I hope to see some high latitude sailing on that metal boat before any switch back to plastic/glass!
You absolutely will! About 2-3 seasons of high latitude sailing before any switch back to fiberglass. 😀
MJ Sailing
That timing works well for me! I was on the sister ship to Elements in January and really liked her. I wish she were for sale. I know the layout is a bit different, but it might work out. I’m working on about a 3 yr plan to buy a boat. I’d love to talk to you about buying Elements when the time comes.
@@MJSailing looking forward to it! I'm looking at Woods designs catamaran plans, just slightly smaller than you mentioned. Want to build a 24' first, sail then sell for capital to build a 34-38 footer. It's too bad Aluminum cats dont make sense under 60-70 ft.
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I like feeling the "rhythm" of the swells, which as you said, isn't there with a cat. Plus I've found that because of the bridge, cats pound a lot more than a mono, especially in the open ocean. Different strokes....
So far I have not heard one person that want to go back to a monohull after sailing catamaran. 😊
By the way, what they also say is that you have to go up to at least a 45' or bigger catamaran before you will really feel how stable they actually are.
Smaller catamarans, like for example the one you sailed in here, will still be affected by the waves much more. 😉
It's interesting the difference in your eating habits when making a passage, to when you're going in dinner on shore.
I must have missed it, is Elements hull insulated? Do you have heat?
Cat v Mono: In bad weather a Mono can be made to self tend, if a short handed crew need to rest. On a Cat, they have to work the boat to keep it safe. If you get the weather right, Cats are great. Get it wrong and they're a lot of work.
Keep up the good work.
Apples to apples so to speak. You can't compare a new cat to a 50 year old monohull and here is the main reason. The new Oysters or Hunters etc all come in "cheese wedge" now giving you a much wider boat usually for an aft cabin or 2, while the main salon is taking on the look of the Motel6 cat but without switching. The costs are insane and closer to a Leopard or Outremer but not quite. The life aboard I'm sure is much more convenient and unless you are a die hard racer, either choice would probably be fine. Affordability and sustainability are key for most people. I still dream of a Hans Christian 33 if only my wife would go along with it. Happy trails
The stability of pulling the beam aft sure helps too, but you still have the separation of the cockpit and limited visibility (even with the hull deadlights) that make a cat more desirable for us if we're just hanging in the Med or Caribbean.
Matt
Nice, what does a cat cost over there? Are they cheaper than stateside?
Again, to another channel. I suggest you guys check out the Catamaran Impi channel, for some idea on live on cat, they've een doing it for the last 7 to 8 years, they really have the most experience of any channel. Cost of cats have gone up ecause of all the hurricane damage caused
Any plans on one of these boats in the future?
I'm sure our next boat *will* be a catamaran, but we have no idea which kind. Plus it's still a few years down the road, so no use worrying too hard now. 😉
Pin mushrooms wrapped in bacon.......yum. If u saw the way most dishwashing areas in Asia, u would know why it’s better to eat on styrofoam......I ran restaurants in China for ten years.......first hand experience
The pin mushrooms were soooo good, I wish I had tried them earlier in our trip. And I can only imagine how 'clean' the dishes we ate off actually were. But if you don't think about it too much and it doesn't make you sick...
The mushrooms you were eating look like Enoki mushrooms.
Maybe a new boat in the near future ???....What a beautiful place....The food at that market place looked delicious.....Upset That You didn’t show at anytime the motorcycle(scooter)that you rented..........
If the near future is about 2-3 years away. 😉 I can't believe we didn't end up with any footage of the bike either! When I went back through all our clips, all I could find was a quick pan of it on the phone when we were first picking it up. I think it went up on our Instagram stories.
Check out 'wooden' Wharram Catamarans, like the one sailed by Stu & Ziya of LUCKYFISH (YT) and built by Andy Smith in the Philippines. A TIKI 38-ft takes about 9-months to build for about $180,000 USD. Scuba Tony, in Cancun, bought one. For your snoring, check out SNORBEN (Australian-made) nasal insert, available at P&F Pharmacies, here in Bangkok...
Ok , after being on the Cat , would you sale your boat for One ? Think you just answered my question guys. I still envy you guys
Any problems with mosquitos? I contracted dengue fever last week in Koh Samui...now on my 5th day of high-fever...it's brutal.
I was concerned with this too, but luckily (and surprisingly) we had no real bug issues at all in Thailand. You'd get the sand fleas at dusk if on the beach, but if on the boat, nothing. I think we were there during their dry season.
Matt
Did I saw an Elements T-SHIRT at SV Dalos?
I think you did!
Thanks for posting about your adventure in Thailand. After watching these in 2019, I added Koh Chang to my SE Asia trip in November of 2019. It was an amazing place.
That's so great to hear!! We're glad you enjoyed your time there, it's such a special place. 😍
Olá cara gosto muito de você e está linda rainha amigo você é o cara 10
Get a Cat for your cat.... Georgi will thank you! Great to sea that region of southeast Asia and how affordable it is. Have fun chasing icebergs in the coming year...
Oh my gosh, how much would Georgie love being on a catamaran? So much space for her to run around and lounge!
I really think the biggest thing is the cost for cats! Most people would love the comfort of a cat, but just can't afford the cost of it!
True, they are high budget boats. That's part of what has kept us away for so long.
people pay big money here back in the states for those kind of pedicures . LOL
Exactly! If you check our Instagram account, you can see a video of where I did one of those tanks in Cambodia. Little suckers were *all over* my feet, haha.
*Jess sticks her feet in the water and all the fish start floating belly up* lmao!... Just kiddin! Just kiddin! But seriously tho, Is that why Matt didn't stick his toes in the water?? =)
Partying with Bobby is like smoking a joint with Willie Nelson. I hope you survived!
You are comparing your small monohull with a big catamaran. For the price of a catamaran you can get a quite big deck salon monohull that will give you those 360 views.
Always enjoy your posts, well edited, great content. You two are living the good life, most of us only dream of, but I do realize there is also a lot of work and sacrifice that goes along with it. Sail safe.
I really enjoy your videos. The fish are nibbling at your feet to eat your dead skin. People pay money to have this done. It is an Asian thing I believe.
It may feel weird but it will save you time doing it with a pumas stone.
Keep up the great videos. I look forward to viewing yours every week.
When we were in Siem Reap Cambodia they had tanks everywhere with the fish that nibbled the dead skin off your feet. I sat in one for about 15 min and the fish were going CRAZY over my feet, haha. I think I have a video of it on our Instagram account.
@@MJSailing Great. I wasn't sure if you knew about that. How was it? Jessica didn't seem to like fish eating at her feet.
Gatinha você é minto linda parabéns
No fish survived the Gento Nibble.
Interesting Cat vs Mono synopsis. 👍👍
Matt, for an amazing 7 year Catamaran refit have a look at UA-cam channel ‘Onboard Lifestyle’. Thank you for making these videos!
It's not really fair to compare the 2 boat types, there is always price and size. Like a 1500sf house vs 4000sf. It would be better to compare a 50' monohull ( with a large pilot house for matt) vs a 35 Cat.
Cheers Warren
The Cat Mono debut is interesting - the key change is weather routing that enables Cats to keep out of trouble. I am from New Zealand so I know what a storm looks like ua-cam.com/video/aUWascqCBe0/v-deo.html so I would never take a Cat south of Stewart Island. However near the equator a Cat is the only boat to have. Horses for courses :-)
I agree about the multihull ruling the equator. Once we decide to stay at those lats, I think it will be the best choice for us.
Matt
Glad you had a great time...but i don't agree with your preference for a catamaran and strongly suggest before buying one to experience one in heavy weather.
Maybe if Matt showed his high power scooter you'd get more money to buy that cat.
Voices carry for miles downwind on the water.
Oh yes, that is something we have found out over the years.
chk out 'sirius boats' from germany. i stumbled across them a few wks ago and really liked them. i'm a mono hull person although i am attracted to cats. sounds really weird that. :-))
iain lyall They are amazingly well-built and thought out boats!
We tried to duplicate some of their ideas when we rebuilt Elements, but we were limited by the size of our deck salon and weren't able to put a full seating up top.
Matt
And sometimes it's like the movie Euro Vacation with all the dudes waiting on a female lol
You should try a GoFundMe for a new boat. I think you would get a lot of financial support from your fans, and vicarious cruisers, for the acquisition of a catamaran. Another channel I watch did a fund raising event for a large RV and had the entire purchase fully funded within 1 month! Love the videos; keep 'em coming.
Didn't they just launch Elements?
We still have a few seasons on Elements and haven't even sailed her in the regions she was initially purchased for. Once we sail the North Sea; Norway; and Baltic Sea.....then we'll see what we can do about getting a new boat.
Or look into a deal similar to La vagabond ......?
What happened to your boat.
Nothing they left it and came to Thailand for a short getaway bc of customs issues and inability to get extended to stay where they were before this.
@@ts6141 - Perfect synopsis!
Thanks,
Matt
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Styrofoam! If we could get them to use biodegradable plant based it would help greatly.
We need to get sustainable containers down in cost.. where i work, in Colorado, that polystyrene (styrofoam is wallboard by DOW) container costs us $.30 and a comparable compostable/ bio-degradable one is $.60
Gotta keep trying! Everyday we see improvement in the tech.