Who's excited about DUNE part two? Do you have your ticket's yet? CORRECTION: As @ampeater777 points out in the comments, Lady Jessica is not Leto Atreides “wife,” but rather his “concubine.” That’s only referenced once in the film (and I wasn’t sure if that was Baron Harkonnen using it as an insult), but is far more obvious in the book!
My personal way of looking at things like this is to reference the book first. I really like that you look at the script too. I'm sure there is a lot of information between the book what we see on the screen, that you can only see in the book. Just one minor point; Paul's mother, Jessica, was not Duke Leto's wife, she was his concubine. As I recall, he lamented not marrying her in the end, but they never married. I'd never thought much about Paul's battle with Jamis, except to assume it was the way for Paul to move forward and be accepted by the Fremen (and of course, the first time Paul took a life). One possible way of looking at it would be where the voice says, "When you take a life, you take your own..." she is saying that the life of Jamis is the life that needs to be forfeit to bring about the Kwisatz Haderach. Jamis is the life of Paul in this respect, much as Paul represents the life of his mother during the fight... I'll add, that even in our world ("Reality"), taking a life, even in defense of your own self, ends your innocence, and you'll never get it back. You'll always know that someone never gets to experience a smile, laughter, or the touch of another's hand, because of you. Edit: BTW, you just got another sub!
Paul hears that "Paul Atreides" must die for the KH to rise. He also hears "when you took a life, you took your own life". Killing somebody is killing your own humanity and innocence. This is Paul's internal conflict during the fight. When he kills Jamis, he kills is own innocence and humanity. He killed Paul Atreides (is innocent self) to let the Kwisatz Haderach rises, with the terrible visions he saw previously.
Love this interpretation. I’m on board with it. The vision of Jamis killing him is just metaphor, then? In this interpretation? What do you think of the dream where Jamis appears to be training/guiding him?
@@HowStoriesWork Paul does not see just one inevitable future, he sees lot of different possible futures which come true or not depending on the choices he makes. He could have been killed by Jamis, he could also have become his friend as other possible futures showed... but he ended up killing him, killing a part of his own humanity at the same time and thus coming closer to the realization of those visions of horror he had earlier in the tent. The fact that Paul can choose between different roads leading to different possible futures is very clear in the book. In the book, he notably sees a route in which he chooses to give up his revenge by leaving Arrakis, becoming a Guild navigator, or reconciling with the Harkonnens. He can also choose to make common cause with the Fremen, knowing that this risks leading to the bloody Jihad that he sees in the tent. Villeneuve chose to illustrate these alternatives by showing us images of these different possible futures.
Ah, so you’re not altering my interpretation so much as adding clarity to it from the context of the book. That makes sense. Love hearing more about the book! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Awesome! Thanks for watching. Tried to throw a little humor into this one. It hasn't gotten a ton of attention, though, so I'm wondering if I need a new thumbnail...
Who's excited about DUNE part two? Do you have your ticket's yet?
CORRECTION: As @ampeater777 points out in the comments, Lady Jessica is not Leto Atreides “wife,” but rather his “concubine.” That’s only referenced once in the film (and I wasn’t sure if that was Baron Harkonnen using it as an insult), but is far more obvious in the book!
My personal way of looking at things like this is to reference the book first. I really like that you look at the script too. I'm sure there is a lot of information between the book what we see on the screen, that you can only see in the book.
Just one minor point; Paul's mother, Jessica, was not Duke Leto's wife, she was his concubine. As I recall, he lamented not marrying her in the end, but they never married.
I'd never thought much about Paul's battle with Jamis, except to assume it was the way for Paul to move forward and be accepted by the Fremen (and of course, the first time Paul took a life).
One possible way of looking at it would be where the voice says, "When you take a life, you take your own..." she is saying that the life of Jamis is the life that needs to be forfeit to bring about the Kwisatz Haderach. Jamis is the life of Paul in this respect, much as Paul represents the life of his mother during the fight... I'll add, that even in our world ("Reality"), taking a life, even in defense of your own self, ends your innocence, and you'll never get it back. You'll always know that someone never gets to experience a smile, laughter, or the touch of another's hand, because of you.
Edit: BTW, you just got another sub!
Paul hears that "Paul Atreides" must die for the KH to rise. He also hears "when you took a life, you took your own life". Killing somebody is killing your own humanity and innocence. This is Paul's internal conflict during the fight. When he kills Jamis, he kills is own innocence and humanity. He killed Paul Atreides (is innocent self) to let the Kwisatz Haderach rises, with the terrible visions he saw previously.
Love this interpretation. I’m on board with it. The vision of Jamis killing him is just metaphor, then? In this interpretation? What do you think of the dream where Jamis appears to be training/guiding him?
@@HowStoriesWork Paul does not see just one inevitable future, he sees lot of different possible futures which come true or not depending on the choices he makes. He could have been killed by Jamis, he could also have become his friend as other possible futures showed... but he ended up killing him, killing a part of his own humanity at the same time and thus coming closer to the realization of those visions of horror he had earlier in the tent.
The fact that Paul can choose between different roads leading to different possible futures is very clear in the book. In the book, he notably sees a route in which he chooses to give up his revenge by leaving Arrakis, becoming a Guild navigator, or reconciling with the Harkonnens. He can also choose to make common cause with the Fremen, knowing that this risks leading to the bloody Jihad that he sees in the tent.
Villeneuve chose to illustrate these alternatives by showing us images of these different possible futures.
Ah, so you’re not altering my interpretation so much as adding clarity to it from the context of the book. That makes sense. Love hearing more about the book! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Best explanation ever! Much appreciated the analogies to GOT. Thank you.
Awesome! Thank you so much!
I'm seeing Dune 2 this evening so you are really helping a guy out here!
I made this video for you, Josh!
great breakdown!
Awesome! Thanks for watching. Tried to throw a little humor into this one. It hasn't gotten a ton of attention, though, so I'm wondering if I need a new thumbnail...
Fantastic breakdown
Thanks for watching and commenting!