Mad Max Interceptor Pull - 351 Cleveland on the Dyno!
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Here's one for the Ford fans, for the Mad Max fans, and for anyone who like good old American muscle. Except in this case.. it is a Canadian engine builder making an engine for an Australian movie car!
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Absolutely love the sound of a good 351C nothing else sounds like them
351M 😂 Boss 302…etc
I’ve never heard a 351 M that sounded anywhere near as good as a well built Cleveland. Not saying they don’t exist but every 351 M I’ve been around was an absolute dog
@@vadenk4433 Typical for a malaise era engine.
Back when dyno- saurs roamed the streets the Cleveland was one of the few engines that could strike fear in the heart of a big block.
Herbert Martin and the clevo still lives up to its status . 2v for the street 4v for race
Yes, one of Fords best race motors. Street n strip
Had a 351 Cleveland in a 73 Torino. Best sound ever. Torque monster!
It was the LS of the 70s.
Small block with the attitude of a big block.
Nothing like the sound of a 351 C, I love these engines.
Bad af
Boy this takes me back. What a great find on UA-cam. in 76 at 19 years old, I bought a 1970 Mach One 351 CV4 with an FMX auto trans and 9 inch rear end. Trashed the FMX and put in a built C6 with 3500 stall speed converter. Took the motor to the local machine shop and a copy of a Hot Rod Street build for the motor with HP output at around 425+. Cam high rise 750 cfm holly headers ported and polished the heads etc. Added 4.11 posi gears for the track, freshly updated brakes, coil over and traction bars. Wish I could have put it on a dyno but ran out of funds. Took it to Woodburn Drag Strip where the first pass was 11.60 smoking the tires most of the way. Needed slicks badly. Didn't get another pass that day as it blew the rear main seal. Common problem on this motor. Boy I loved that motor, it pulled so hard and sounded so good, pulled harder than my friends built 455 GTO or 440 GTX. Didn't lose a single street race the two years I owned it. Never got back to the track with it. Would have liked to keep it but I also met my future wife at the track and I still have her 42 years later and a 92 Fox body 5.0 that has some bolt on goodies for fun.
I had a 66 impala 396 4 speed, and I never beat a car like yours on the strip. I could handle most anything else,and always thought this mustang Cleveland setup was almost perfect.
Had a 351c in a 71 mach 1, took route 66 from Phoenix to Detroit in 1987 best ride so far,I'm 57
Being a big Cleveland guy myself I am impressed but at the same time I wasn't surprised..the Cleveland will flat out run.
5min of a guy drinking coffee?
There's a reason they used it and the 390 in trucks.
im a mopar guy and i love my 71 duster 340 but ford really hit the mark with the 351 cleveland . great smallblock
Actually they did not because it came too late, so it never got to see the pinnacle of what it could have been. Ford was planning the 4V version to make 500HP…. But then the gas crisis hit and the production motor ended up being crippled heavily.
Ford never called them "small blocks".
Ever heard of the 318 polyshere? The Ford Cleveland engines borrowed from the 318 polysphere in that it used similar looking valve configuration and combustion chamber as well as the evenly spaced intake and exhaust ports (as opposed to the small block Chevy's siamaesed ports).
I worked on a woman's Ford Torino that she said was running a little rough. I took the car for a test drive and put the gas pedal to the floor and it burned rubber all the way down the street. Lifted the hood and there sat a cleveland...great engine!
Must be used to driving 4 cylinder honda. This made 352hp at 5300rpm and 392hp at 3800rpm
Nice to know you abuse clients cars. Tool.
It wasn't a client, it was a friend and that's what it needed, a good carbon cleaning. It ran great! Tool
@@gsfbffxpdhhdf7043 The Honda back then had a twin cylinder motorcycle engine....600, I think. They had just started making cars.
Yeah right.
thats why I use a roller cam now, no need to run in the cam...love them Cleveland's!!
Good choice as currently available engine oils do not have sufficient zinc to protect flat tappet cams.
Fords just generate oil from the air when they run. It condenses on the block and drips off, protecting the engine from rust. It's magic.
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Lol
Ha! Still love them! '71-'73 Cougar fan! 351C is a gem.
That's the only explaining that makes sense yet, especially in regards to two stroke jimmies, thank you
8:48 - Is it never a good idea to include oil dye for definitvely tracking down leaks and faster?
These Cleveland 351 engines were great in the Australian Ford XY GT Falcons
Also could buy the engines from factory and mate put in his ski boat 🚤 4v heads
I had one in an Australian 1978 XC FAIRMONT GXL.I wish I still had it.
that was one of the best motors Fomoco made.
Cleveland’s are fantastic. My 393 Stroke Cleveland is putting out 650 HP N/A :)
That is one of the best engines ever made!!!
The ford ain’t leaking, it’s marking its spot!
Its sweating horsepower
It's not a Harley dude! Lol
I have good memories of my Cleveland, one of the best running engines I’ve owned! Fun to see this one on the dyno.
Boy does that take me back 68 Ford Fairlane station wagon my dad passed everything from Chip trucks to Cadillacs with nine kids in the car thanks for memory lane Nick live on 351
Nice seeing a Ford motor on your dyno Mr. Nick!!
joe Gaskill. Yes indeed. It is nice of course. That is what all American Muscle Engines is about and what I love. Good to see all kinds.
My combo is a zero decked 20 over 2v 351. I did light pocket work behind the valves and port matched the intake. I used an RPM intake and 1 3/4 headers. I also used the Pertronix with a recurve kit to bring timing in a bit earlier. My cam is the 265DEH grind from Comp. It runs like a scalded ape. Sounds great through chambered mufflers. Any more Cleveland content coming?
The 351C is one of the Iconic engines like the 427 side oiler. For decades Bob Glidden dominated Pro stock with this brute despite chevy and mopars attempts to ban it. The 69 Mach 1 351 C 4 spd combo has been the demise of so many BB mopars and chevys the list is endless. That motor like the 427 is capable of scary scary hp and torque.
'72 351HO Mustang would flat out fly!
Never got any pre-race respect.
Post race got accused of hiding the bottle.
The Cleveland was a diamond.
Too bad they're so damn ugly!
@@joeross6523 There is NOTHING ugly about that engine.
@@lilythomson881 I was talking about '72 mustangs, they're ugly as hell.
@@joeross6523 I disagree there as well. The 71 to 73 Mustang Fastback was a gorgeous car. Now that Mad Max car that this engine is going back into, well, that's another matter.
Had a 72 Mach1,351CJ,C6,& a 3.25 9in...dang near bulletproof, the Cleveland made power up higher in the rpm range than other small blocks.
I had a 2v 351 Cleveland in my '72 Mercury Montego GT and boy that car was a screamer! even though it was stock and didn't even have a 4v or headers,it still went like a bat out of hell! sounds good too.thanks again guys. ☆☆☆
I'm a cleveland fanatic from way back had one in a Pantera!!
Dan from So Cal? If so Im the one that put your cam in
I used to eat all my friends with my 70 Cougar XR7 with the 351 C including 70 Novas with quads and I had a 2 barrel. I knew that C was special.
Back in 1969, I factory ordered a Mustang Grande with 351 Cleveland, 450 holly carb, Dual Exhaust, and AT. The 0-120mph was 13 seconds. BTW, it cost $CDN4,750 back then. That engine idled soo smooth, that on several occasions, I tried to start it, thinking it had stalled. The grinding of the starter said otherwise!.
Paul Moffat: You related to Allan? The racing driver.
Nick really puts everything he has into building his engines and repairing cars. Much respect!
kcotte59, Nick knows how to build them.
8:37 that look on his face is priceless, bravo Nick bravo, another ecstatic customer.
Jon Kaase has made a living building Clevelands and destroying SBC in Engine Masters competitions .
Really? can you give me a video of this? [sounds awesome.....]
Oval and out...haha.
@@caratcranker5874Just search the Engine Masters competitions on UA-cam. He's built many of the less common Ford engines to win.
Maybe but. You can make SBC horsepower cheaper than any Ford engine
Yeah..... yawn.... you can also dump nitrous on anything. It’s not how fast you go, but how you go fast.
Yea, Bob Glidden had pretty good luck over the years doing the same thing in NHRA ProStock.
Here in Australia the 351C was THE engine for the ford brigade. Made famous here in Ford Australia's XY Falcon GTHO Phase 3. The hero car for the early 70's. They sell for over half a million with perfect examples going for almost One Million. Claimed output was around 380 bhp with a top speed of 140mph. The 351 was a brilliant engine, Aussie's never really took to the big blocks, perhaps because they just weren't an option for us here. A Ford American exec looking after Ford Aus (Bill Bourke) did have a big block shoe horned into an XW falcon back in the day though. It can be googled, along with the XY GTHO
I was sitting on my patio, unwinding after the night shift at work. The notice popped up. A new episode of Nick's Garage. I tapped the notification and started watching until the 66 Charger appeared. I suddenly realized something and paused it. Gotta get my black , Nick's Garage T-shirt. It's not the same without it. Mr Nick, I know you do what you do because you love what you do. All these late nights and weekends are going to burn you out. Set some time aside for you and your family. You'll never go wrong on that.
Right on, Dog.
C'mon Dog True words of WISDOM :)
It's not work when you enjoy what you do.
Nick's enthusiasm is infectious. I'm feeling pumped to go to work now. Better than a cup of coffee. Great work Nick!
1973 Ford Falcon XB GT coupe is the original MAD MAX car in the movie ,every Australian should know this . What a great iconic Australian muscle car I don’t work on that many V8 ‘s or older powered one’s ,but I do love my Australian V8 muscle cars . What a machine !!!! As we say here in Australia. Great work mates cheers
THESE GUYS AR CANADIAN LOL they may have never seen a falcon hardtop in real life,sad to say but that coupe is pig ugly and much bigger
I love 351 Cleveland's!!!! Great motor from Ford
It is an absolute joy to watch somebody who's a master of their craft
had a 1970 torino gt with a 351c 4v man i loved that engine made lots of power
I have a 70' and a 71' Torino with the 351 4v and another engine on a stand. They all have the closed chamber heads.
Yea,that 70 and 71 was the best. I had a 73 4v 4 bolt main,spread bore carb,but it was lower compression. I think it was the Cleveland cj.
I had a 70 torino also. Raced it at the strip. With a sig erson Viking cam and double matching valve springs engine would touch 8,100 rpm. The track said if you race the car next time put a roll bar in it.
My Torino had a 351 Windsor, which sang sweetly at 5500 RPM, and a local guy had reworked it with a police pursuit transmission. I never heard it sing until I was cruising 140 taking my mother to the hospital. After that, I knew what I had. I thought about doing a B&B, but I was afraid the added confidence would be dangerous to my health and that of my neighbors, so I didn't do it. I regret selling the car when I was broke, but the guy that got it was a street-rodder and gave me $8k. Not bad for my $3k investment.
I miss it, and I still hear it singing in my dreams.
I ordered 1970 Torino 351 Cleveland 4 speed,positraction with the shaker hood scoop. Wimbledon white,black guts. Very fun. I traded in my 1969 Mach 1 with 4 speed 351 wins or gulfstream aqua,gold stripes,white guts. What a blast those cars were.
I am a big fan of the 390 but, that Cleveland is hands down nice!
The 390 is really a better engine in almost every way I can think of - particularly with mains priority oiling. They're also easier to find stuff for - just a bit heavier. But the 351C is a cool machine in its own right.
@@notsure7874 Once you go to an aluminum top end and manifold, lightens them up pretty good.
I had. 390 in my first car. It was s 63 .i had a 71. Fastback it got stolen from me
The 390 was such a great engine. We had one in our ranch truck. It could pull a ton and also haul ass. Best dual purpose engine Ford ever built.
I had a 1972 Ford Grand Torino, 351 Cleveland, FX transmission. It come with a 2BBL, I replaced it with a Holly 500 2BBL, then adapted a Chevy Quadrajet. Both carbs allowed me to drive 39mph, challenge anything even Vetts, I could Slam the Automatic shifter into 1st gear and wind out first gear to 55mph then shift up and would wrap the Speedo all the way around back to Zero. Oh do I miss her!! Never any mechanical failures anywhere on that car.
I used to do that to my poor Monza , my friends thought I was nuts !
Never was a Ford guy, but that 351 Cleveland is one Bad A.. engine! I use to work with a dude who have one of these motors in his 90's mustang and that ride would hall A..!
What I like about NG is that there is no bullshit. He is the best for getting the best out of fairly standard muscle engines. And yes, Nick, 351s always fart around with their electrics. But a good 351 will match a good 350 Chevvy. The only problem is the weight. Aluminium heads and intake would get over 400 out of this engine.
Oh, man, that rumble takes me waaaaay back. Dad had a 351 in his cougar when I was a little kid (sold the car in 1980 or so), and that was my lullaby when I couldn't fall asleep.
I had a T-Bucket 351Cleavland with a 400hp motor.Mild cam.Closed chamber 302 heads.Ported & ground 2.5cc out to lower compression as Leaded fuel was band .I had to run 12 deg static timing and 28 deg by 2500rpm .The 750 Vac secondary Holley Carbi had 4mm holes drilled into the butterflies to fix jetting problems.On the 1250 kg ,3 speed Auto T-bucket it did 11.8 second 1/4 mile runs.I had Chevy & Holden motors but this was the best design motor .It never let me down .
chris lomas. The 351 Cleveland is a great engine for performance.
One of my favorite videos Nick , Bravo Brothermou! A set of good headers was worth at least another 25hp.
In Australia, in the 70s-80s the Cleveland was Ford’s king of v8’s, ford Australia redesigned the us engine and gave it thicker cylinder walls to overcome overheating issues that plagued the USA Cleveland engine. The Cleveland powered phase 4 falcon in 1972 was to have over 400hp, but the Australian government stepped in and stopped production claiming they were too dangerous to sell to the public, 😢
Back then the Ford Motor Company factory shop manual published by Helms said to use silicone sealer in the corners where the block rear main gasket meets the pan gaskets. Us really old guys remember things like that from 50 years ago, but we forget where we put our eyeglasses
down 5 minutes ago.
I have to do the same thing for my Mazda valve covers. So of course the guy I bought my engine from had the stuff all along the whole gasket path. Leaked something horrible. Everything else, the guy did right.
Good to see you are using a Motors auto repair manual for reference - best damn manuals ever.
Ol' Cleve's feelin' positively young again - got its salty back, ready to hop some tires!
Wow, that's a healthy 351. Sounds sweet as can be.
A real first class show , Thanks Nick and your crew .
We stuffed a 4v Cleveland in a 1988 Ford Ranger back in 1990. Dropped 9” Rear End in it and had lots of fun. It had a split duration camshaft solid lifters. I didn’t know much about cars and engines but my brother in law and another friend engineered that project. I would roll around the streets of Western Kentucky and that thing just had a sound like never heard since and it was a beast. People would just gawk at it. It was more fun than I ever had in my life. I was originally going to put a 302 in it but then we thought nah let’s put a Cleveland in it. Lol.
Imagine if it had the Cleveland's relative, the 400 with 500+ HP and 500+ Ft lbs torque. It would be hard getting rear tires to last with an engine like that.
The Cleveland 351 is a great engine.
7s29. I agree with you 100%.
@7s29, AND THE CLEVELAND STILL LIVES.
THE 351 CLEVELAND TOTALLY AND SINGLE HANDEDLY CHANGED THE FACE OF PROSTOCK DRAG RACING FOREVER. THE 351 CLEVELAND DOMINATED PROSTOCK TO THE POINT WHERE THEY MADE THE FORD'S CARRY 250LBS MORE WEIGHT AND THEY STILL WON. THE NHRA THEN LET THE CHEVY'S/CHRYSLER/ETC REMOVE MORE WEIGHT AND THE FORD'S ONCE AGAIN STILL WON. THE EMINANT DOOM OF THE SMALL BLOCK CHEVY WAS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER AND THE NIGHTMARE GM FEARED WOULD SOON BECOME A REALITY OF PROSTOCK BEING TOTALLY POWERED BY THE 351 CLEVELAND MOTORS. THEN IN 1983 THE NHRA (ANOTHER DIVISION OF GM) HAD THEIR HENCHMEN IN THE NHRA MANDATED THE 500ci RULE AS A PLOY TO STOP FORD FROM DOMINATING PROSTOCK ANYMORE. SO THE NHRA ALLOWS GM ALONG WITH WARREN JOHNSON TO BUILD A NEW ENGINE CALLED "THE DRCE - DRAG RACE COMPETITION ENGINE". SO GM TAKES THE OLDSMOBILE BLOCK AND STUFFS IT LIKE A THANKSGIVING DAY TURKEY WITH A CAM AND ROTATING ASSEMBLY FROM A BIG BLOCK CHEVY AND THEN WARREN JOHNSON HAS A BIG PAIR OF FORD CLEVELAND HEADS MADE FOR IT. SO SINCE 1983 TO PRESENT WHAT CHEVY HAS BEEN WINNING WITH IS A FORD CLEVELAND ENGINE. THIS IS THE REASON FORD DOESN'T GET INVOLVED IN PROSTOCK RACING. BECAUSE IT IS ALREADY FORD POWERED. AT THIS POINT BOB GLIDDEN GOES OUT AND GETS HIMSELF A BOSS 429 ENGINE AND SLAUGHTERS ALL OF THEM. EVERY YEAR AS GM/CHEVY GOT FASTER WITH THERE GENERIC FORD CLEVELAND ENGINE. BOB GLIDDEN WOULD SLIGHTLY PORT THE BOSS HEADS KEEPING HIMSELF AHEAD OF THE CHEVY'S AND THE REST OF THEM INCLUDING THE HEMI'S. IT REACHED THE POINT WHERE FORD AND BOB GLIDDEN WERE GETTING READY TO CAST A NEW FORD BOSS HEAD AND MOST LIKELY THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN NAMED "THE SUPER BOSS HEADS". AT THIS POINT THE CHEATERS THE NHRA TO PUT CHEVY AND KEEP CHEVY IN THE WINNERS CIRCLE TOLD FORD AND BOB GLIDDEN THAT THEY HAD TO MAKE A 1000 PAIRS OF THESE HEADS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC IF THEY WANTED TO RACE. THE NHRA KNEW THE BOSS MOTORS WERE MADE IN LIMITED NUMBERS AND A MARKET FOR THESE HEADS DIDN'T EXIST. OBVIOUSLY THEY KNEW FORD WASN'T GOING TO SPEND COUNTLESS MILLIONS TO PRODUCE HEADS FOR A MOTOR THAT NO LONGER EXISTED. FORD AND BOB GLIDDEN THEN TOLD THE NHRA TO GO "F" THEMSELVES. THIS IS HOW FORD'S DOMINANCE IN PROSTOCK CAME TO AN END. IN 1980 BOB GLIDDEN DID SWITCH OVER TO CHRYSLER AND WON BEATING THE FORD'S ONLY FOR ONE REASON. LIKE THE CHEVY'S THE CHRYSLERS ALSO BENEFITTED FROM THE WEIGHT BREAK OF NOT HAVING TO CARRY 250 MORE POUNDS AND ALSO THE NHRA ALLOWING THEM TO TAKE OFF EVEN MORE WEIGHT ON TOP OF THE WEIGHT FORD WAS CARRING. THE FORD CLEVELAND MOTOR WAS THE ULTIMATE IN POLY ANGLE HEAD DESIGN. IT IS SO STATE OF THE ART THAT DOEN'T GEY ANY BETTER. IT IS HARD TO IMPROVE ON IT INITIAL DESIGN. TODAY YOUR SYMMETRICAL RACE MOTORS LABEDED AS CHEVY ARE ACTUALLY FORD CLEVELAND DESIGNS. YOUR MOUNTAIN MOTORS LABELED AS CHEVY ARE FORD BOSS 429 DESIGNS. THE ADVANTAGE OF THE BOSS HAS OVER THE HEMI LIES IN ITS CRESENT SHAPE COMBUSTION CHAMBER. THE CRESENT SHAPE, ANGLES THE FLOW ALIGNMENT BETWEEN THE INTAKE AND EXHAUST OFF SETTING THE VALVE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE INTAKE AND EXHAUST SO IT IS NOT STRAIGHT. WHAT THIS DOES IS SLOW DOWN THE FUEL/AIR MIXTURE GIVING IT ENOUGH TIME TO COMPLETELY BURN FOR THE MOST EFFICIENT MAXIMUM BURN FOR MAXIMUM POWER. ON THE OTHER HAND THE HEMI DESIGN BEING STRAIGHT THROUGH ACROSS, DOESN'T ALLOW THE AIR/FUEL MIXTURE ENOUGH TIME TO FULLY BURN CREATING INEFFICIENCIES. THE CLEVELAND IS OF A SIMILAR DESIGN TO THE BOSS AND THE REASON THE CHEVY "DRCE" DOMINATES OVER THE HEMI FOR MANY YEARS IN PROSTOCK.
7s29 ?
6 pack hey 😁🤣🤣
It depends if it's a Windsor or a Cleveland.
Back in the day I had a 71 Torino GT 351C4v that ran 14.08@100+ on street tires!
My boss has a 71 Torino GT with the Original 351 C in it just wasting away in his fathers yard. C6 & 9 inch rear etc. its all there but I would guess rust has claimed the body.
Mr Nick You Are The Best Man For The Job On Any Engine 👍👍👍👍
Rule 1: Newer isn't always better!
Rule 2: NEVER throw anything away!
Your so delicious!
mad ass you're a bad egg
Never throw it away a special it works perfectly when you take it off the car
I gave up driving a car, because living in Japan One does not need a car.
Your rules are totally on top dead center.
Nice to see you Outside of LinkedIn.
We're old now boys, but we got to live some very cool times. My fav and the one I learned most and raced was the "Bullet" combo. Mine was a 67 fastback 390 GT 4-speed and nodular 9 inch. They were slugs compared to new cars, so we had to learn how to tune them for speed. I called my 390 a baby 427 because that's how it was built and ran when I got done with it. It was a blast.
I learned to drive in a 390 station wagon when I was 12. It got put through hell by my older brothers, my sister liked to jump railroad tracks (all 4 wheels off the ground). One brother raced it at a dirt track on the weekend, got 2nd place, washed it and brought it home. (It's the family car, dad drives to work every day and we take vacations in)
We traded it for a 73 Dart, saw it a few weeks later in a driveway almost folded in half with some slotted mags on it.
By far my favorite classic engine. Ive owned 3 of those engines ( 2 mustangs and a torino gt) and they were all a blast to drive!
Great video, guys. Really nice to see some Ford power on the dyno for a change. That thing believes it's a BOSS 351 powerplant.
They had said that the boss 351 was faster than the 429scj
@@dalecarter4025 helps being about 400lbs lighter!
If I suspected rear main seal leak (or any oil leak not related to dyno fittings), the first thing I would have done is hook up the PCV to eliminate crankcase pressure. I'm surprised a seasoned veteran like Nick wouldn't have tried that first.
marcmielhausen1971. I am very well aware of crankcase pressure build up. PCV valve was working, and also the breather was OK also. And yes, it was a Dyno fitting at the rear of the engine, just under the rag.
Sorry, but I can see in the video that the PCV valve isn't connected to manifold vacuum and the other crankcase vent isn't connected to an air breather (venturi vacuum). I'm glad it was something simple and that is definitely one stout engine you've built.
The Clevland engine was developed at the height of the muscle car era and Ford, along with GM and Chrysler, were fudging hp numbers to beat the insurance companies. The NHRA knew this and classified cars in stock and super stock according to real world hp numbers. Not to surprising that a 351C with 4V heads and a slightly bigger cam made 352 hp.
One horsepower per cube on an engine that doesn't even have headers is impressive .
And a stock cast iron low rise intake too!
Those Clevelands sound just lovely at idle. Done a few for Panteras, they can make some sick power, with the right bits.
Loads of fun on quad webbers!!
Of all the classic Ford Muscle cars I had during the 70's and 80's the '70 Mach 1 351C was my favorite. And you're right! They have a sound all their own.
@@SuspenseESCAPEremastered I had a '70 notchback with a 302/3 speed while in high school, then bought '73 Mach with it's original engine replaced with a 351C 2 BBL. it turned out a rocker broke, so I found a '73 351C Cobra Jet engine and all was REALLY WELL!
You had me at Pantera sir.
I had a 1972 torino gt with 351 Clevland it would destroy L60 rear tires even at a 30mph roll. She was a beast
According to Hot Rod Mag the 351 Cleveland delivered more horsepower per cubic inch than any small block from the late 60's early 70's they nicknamed it "little big block" Bill Elliot sure made his name with it on the large ovals.
kenny baird yep,. Ford went to Le Mans and spanked the Ferraris and Porsches.
@kenny baird, IN 1970 WAYNE GAPP AND JACK ROUSH CAMPAIGNED A 351 POWERED 1970 PINTO IN PROSTOCK RACING. IT DIDN'T BEAT, BUT OBLITERATED THE COMPETITON. CRY BABY GRUMPING JENKINS (THE BIG CHEATER) WHO CHEVY GUYS LOOK UP TO PROTESTED THE CAR AND THE NHRA (ANOTHER DIVISION OF GM) BANNED IT FROM RACING TO KEEP THE SMALL BLOCK CHEVY IN THE WINNERS CIRCLE AS THEY HAVE BEEN DOING SINCE THE AMA BAN OF 1957. AS WITH ALL FORD'S THAT DOMINATED RACING THROUGH THE 60'S AND 70'S BOTH IN NHRA AND NASCAR AND LEMANS EITHER BANNED THEM OR USED RULE BOOKS TO GOVERN THEM WHILE THE REST WERE IMMUNE TO THE VERY SAME RULES. IT WAS A COMMON THING TO BAN FORDS IN RACING. THE SMALL BLOCK 289ci WINDSOR WAS HIGHLEY GOVERNED BY RULE BOOKS BY THE NHRA THAT THEY LITERALLY DISAPPEARED FROM DRAG RACING. IN NASCAR THE INLINE SMALLBLOCK FORD WAS DEEMED ILLEGAL FOR USE BACK IN THE 1960'S. THE 289ci HI PO RACE MOTORS IN THE A/FX CLASS RACING IN THE MERCURY COMETS PRODUCED 450HP. ON THE SHORT RACE TRACKS IT WOULD HAVE TOTALLY DOMINATED NASCAR. SO TO LET THE SMALL BLOCK CHEVY HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN THEY BANNED THE SMALL BLOCK FORD.
Ford beat Ferrari at LeMans with a 427 Side oiler and a 289. A 351 Cleveland never set foot on that track.
I actually had my friends brother in 1984 mention that same horsepower fact as he transferred a 351 Windsor into his Maverick. Being kind of a Chevy guy I laughed at him. Since then I've come to appreciate Ford cars and engines, and owned a couple.
@@justinl9077
Ford used the 427 in La Mans.
Mopar fan but like at all and I love the fact that Nick likes to bring out the best in every brand of car engine
Another one of Nick's build .....awesome SHOP, whenever you go to his shop always a car show.........
That Cleveland is just starting to breathe at 5000 rpm
It’s got a stock cam so that’s all it’s got. They really need a Intake cam and headers and it’s not hard making 100-150HP over stock. You can’t say that about most engines, to hit those numbers it required a head swap.
Another Badass video from you Nick.! You'll find that oil leak that customer was very happy about his engine!! Keep up the good work!!!
Call me old.
I once built a copy of my Dad's Imperial.
He wanted it stripped.
After I painted the car with it's black over gold motif, we pulled out the interior.
All the power options were gone.
We put in a 6 point roll cage, a genuine Hurst automatic shifter with roll control.
A 472ci 6 pack.
Heavy duty brakes.
We got the monster to turn 12s.
Now, it seems a shame to do what we did to the Imp.
Call me old, but I want a comfortable car.
Fast and comfortable don't have to be mutual exclusive now.
You rock Nick!
The way of the muscle car will never die.
Tommy
Cruised main in late 70's... 71 Cougar with a 351C... Could smoke the tires at the turn around so badly... cars had to wait a minute to see to drive!!! GREAT TIMES... GREAT GIRLFRIENDS!
Had a 351 H.O. in a 70 Maverick grabber 4 speed quick change a slight high rise with a 1150 double pumper back in the day it was hard to beat.
You would have been quicker with a 650, vacuum secondary Holley carb, Darrell...and got way better gas mileage!
The 351 Cleveland was my favorite engine! My '70 Mach 1 was a strong running brute. (God, I miss that car)
My 1970 mach 1 has the 351 Windsor. Runs good and all but I wish it had the Cleveland. My plans are to shelf the W since the numbers match and build a 351 C to use as a fun engine.
I can almost smell the unburned fuel ! You gotta love this Nick guy...he obviously likes what he does for a living!
The 351 ford engine was one of the most reliable engines ever built. Purred for more than 250k miles predictably even when driven hard. Listen to that beast!!!
Edward Dergosits all of the Big 3 made really good small block engines of ~5.7/350-ish cubic inches. 350, 351, 360, 327, 318...
If you really care about your engine and you use a flat tappet cam, start the engine with soft valve springs. Then switch them back. Don't take short cuts.
Its hard to explain but if you are any good at being a mechanic, hang the#1 plug out on side of block well grounded put your finger near spark plug hole. Turn engine over, don't pump the gas' and notice when spark and compression happens. If you are good you know when you are close. Replace plug. Pump gas sparingly.
This is simplified but if you are good, you can always start an engine quick and easy this way. I have done this hundreds of times.
In the MAD MAX movie, where MAX meets up with the guys to see the "Interceptor" for the first time, that engine was a PONTIAC block.
I read it an article in HPP "High Performance Pontiac".
It's been years, but it had to do with how the Aussies used to use PONTIAC blocks like LS swaps today. They didn't have a FORD 6-71 blower setup, so the "Money Shot" is a PMD mill.
You have to love the way the engine gargles when it its in idle.
Nice build, Nick. Great channel. Thanks for sharing.
351hp for a stock 351 cleveland is pretty good sounds AWESOME!
Had a new 73’ Torino fastback.
Medium blue/white vinyl top.
Fairly common car around town.
Except this was what made mine
different from all the rest of them.
It has a 351C with a 4V carb.
Blue Ben h seats and stuck in the
middle coming out the floor was a
Hurst 4 speed and two chrome
exhaust tips coming out the rear.
Topped off with I believe were the
Firestone 500’s 15” and 15” turbo
wheels all the way around.
Big car.Heavy looking car.
Remember being at the local restaurant
with curb service and “Me and Mrs.
Jones” playing on the AM radio.
I wasn’t smart enough to realize what
I had !!! Life goes on though !!!
Sweet crisp start up Nick, your knowledge of your trade and craftsmanship put on display is quite impressive on the highest level, respect from Alaska Nick
1 HP for every C.I. naturally aspirated. That's impressive!
Love that sound. Gave me goosebumps when if fired.
Wow! That's impressive. True craftsmanship. Love your channel.
Cooper River Dragstrip just outside of Summerville SC (It was 1988) Mustang 351 Cleveland 4 speed running against a 70 Chevelle LS6 454 4 speed the Mustang won 3 out of 3 races by 2 car lengths every time. That's when I gained a real respect for the Cleveland engine.
Some day, hopefully soon, I will be as happy at work and eager to stay late as Nick is. You are living the dream my friend and I have a feeling that you are aware of that fact.
Myself owned a 1970 mustang coupe with 351 cleaveland 4v. That engine was downright scary! After obliterating the tires and caught tracion it would still be pulling like a mule over 120mph. I swore it felt like it would destroy itself if I let it. My point is ; 351c stock 4 bolt main caps, quenche chambered, 11and half compression ratio stock !! Was a bad mo fo!! Later a stock 72 gran torino, low compression 351c 4v I had beaten a 70 454 chevelle by 2 car lengths. Never got the mustang to hook, but that torino shure would. Was the fastest car in high school.
Hi Iggy, I own a 71 Torino GT Convertible, 351C 4-bbl, 4 speed, 3:25 posi.. It's stock, has the 11 to 1 quenched chambered heads, the real secret to the Cleveland heads was the canted valves..angled to aid the flow of fuel/exaust into and out of cylinder. I honestly never liked the 72-76 Gran Torino, But I'm biased owning the earlier model.. Either way, I'm almost positive that ford only made the 351C 4-bbl in 70-71 in the Torino lineup.. I think in 72 you could only get it in the Mach1 Mustang. The 351C 4-bbl would bolt right in a 72 Gran Torino..so maybe somebody did an engine swap? IDK look it up, I could b wrong. But I don't think so. Tom
Our 69' 351 Mustang 3:50 traction lock rear also had some traction problems until we wore out the original tires and switched over
to 235x70R15" radials on the rear and 205/70R 14 inch radials on the front along with 50/50 front shocks. Back then the Ford 14"
and 15" rims were interchangeable and both fit the Mustang. Also added a Addco rear sway bar and eventually moved the battery to the trunk. Like in the video above I tried a Holly 600 CMF and found that the stock Ford carb (I believe 470 CFM) was a better match to the engine.
Best thing back then was the prices. 69 Candy Apple red Fastback (not Mach 1), high back seat option, racing mirrors and hood
scoop as options, optional fold down rear seat, 3:50 rear, 3 speed manual (yes 3 speed, it was the same HD trans they used in their
pickups) , ps only cost $2,800 new. Today optional wheels alone can be over $3,000 extra and so is the sales tax now.
My 66' Corvette 327/350 convertible was $ 4,200 new at Corvette Coral.
Back then you could have bought 15 Vettes new for what one new Corvette costs today. I just ordered a 2019 Ford F150 5.0 crew cab and for what it cost I could have bought close to 20 Mustangs back in 1969
@@bucyruserie1211 my brother had a factory stock 74 Gran Torino Sport and it had the 351 C 4V in it. It went like the Dickens and would pass up anything but a gas station if heavy on the throttle. I wish I had it now.
I didn't have the 72' Torino but I had the 72' Cougar with the 351 Cleveland but it wouldn't touch a 454 Chevelle SS. I had it finely tuned and it was quick but it couldn't compare to a Firebird or a Camaro. I did swap the motor out with a rebuilt 429 with Keith Black flat top pistons and Lunatti Trick Flow heads which gave it a lot more power.
The guy in the 70 454 either didn't know how to drive or he was trying to set you up for a money pass
I built a 351, ported, polished, 750 holley, big cam, high rise manifold, 11 to 1 heads, anti pump up lifters, electronic ignition ect. Gave big blocks a run for their money. Put it in my 4x4 half ton pickup last 10 years, beast!
had 2 falcon gt 351 clevo takes me back to my youth love it
J'aime le dual spark , I had a 428CJ with dual spark. The Carb I converted to manual secondaries, mechanical linkage got rid of vacuum spark advance as well. I went to centrifugal advance, so easy to change. Carry on doing this as long as you can my fellow Canadian! Hey also enjoy the Fete en Quebec!
Hey Nick, love your adventures in the dyno room!
Way back when I was a tadpole, I helped a group of guys put together a Boss 351. It was a version of the 351C with four bolt mains. We sent the heads out to Jack Roush to have new exhaust runners installed on the heads, installed a roller cam, tunnel ram and a whole lot of tic. That year at the Nationals we ran it at Firebird/Wild Horse Pass. We ran super comp, the class just below Pro Stock. The main differences were, 1) we used a 66 Mustang Fastback to run it in, and Prostock rules at the time said you couldn’t run anything older than five years, and we could. 2) the other difference is was we ran a 3spd automatic, while Pro Stock pretty much ran 5 speeds manual. On qualifying day one we ran a 8.82 , while the top Pto Stock car ran a 10th quicker 8.72. They make power when you build them correctly!
Clevelands: Love them or hate them they always made big power. The Windsor version was my personal favourite. More reliable and you could still use the GT 40 heads. For sure it's got go and not only for show. It's kind of too bad that a functional blower wasn't considered. Thank you, Nick and crew.
You can sub a 429/460 distributor ...
stephen gardin the gt40 Windsor heads dont flow near what a set of even the 2 barrel cleveland heads do. A canted valve head will always mop the floor with a inline valve head. The winslor was just a narrower package
exactly, clevelands are awesome small block engines. I'm a mopar muscle guy, but when it come to small blocks, I love me some Ford cleveland power.
Brian Tracy. Good to know. Thanks for the info.
Yeah a real blower would be nice but not everyone has the budget for that stuff. Perhaps he will add a real one later on.
Had a 351 cleveland in a half ton pickup a real sleeper!!!
i had a Grand torino 73 for my first car with a 351 C and loved it and i did a lot of crazy thing ....that car I LOVED IT AND MISSSSSSSS IT A LOT
Excellent numbers with cast iron exhaust manifolds !
That's great proof of how easy it is to make reliable HP and torque out of these old girls. That why they were used by Ford here in Australia for so long. They don't have to have spastic cams and mods to make respectable, reliable HP.
That's a stout Cleveland. Nicely done Nick!
Except for the oil leak...
The 351 was a great engine.One of Ford's best small blocks.
SIR SWERVE. Yes, indeed.
I'm a Chevy guy...but damn!!! That 351 is the boss! Much respect, like these old school engines better than what Ford puts out today. Shows what these engines are capable of.
Ford 2 piece rear main seals always leak a bit. Thats why they eventually switched to 1 piece.
That was the reason all automakers switched to the 1 piece seals.
Chevy two piece rear mains are famous for leaking
LOVE Your Work, Awesome Job Nick
Ah the old clevo. Having done many hours with those engines there are a few tricks to apply for a reliable engine. The cooling system is NUMBER 1 as Ford stopped making the ORIGINAL bucket thermostats. The pumps are atrocious so that is a very important must do. To give you an idea we eventually achieved fuel economy of 580 km using 60 liters of LPG or as you guys know it as propane. Power was never dynoed but I managed to tear engines mounts continually. You have a long way to go guys.
NICK,
Tell you a funny story. Some years after Ford intro the Cleveland 351
Ford needed more power for their station wagon line. One of their
engineers came up with the idea to punch out a 351 to 400 add cleveland
heads and the combo worked great! it increased the power to just where
Ford needed it. SO, while DIY were scouring every wrecking yard in north
america for 351 with cleveland heads, those same yards were probably
full of station wagons with the 400 in them.
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