I put a larger 429 SCJ in a 1969 Cobra and others just like that so your claim has no merit .390 came in 1967 on up Fairlane, Comet ,Mustang and Cougar .I replaced several with 427 's and 428 ' The shock towers are stronger FE cars .
Every company has their weaknesses and I've come to realize while being diehard Mopar and being raised to hate Chevys, that every brand had its quirks and faults. That realization has saved me years arguing.
Chevy is easier every day of the week. Cheaper , easier to swap , everything bolts to everything. Ford and dodge suck with their bell housing bolt patterns. Ford and mopar have big and small block transmission bolt patterns. Different across engine designs to. Small block or big block chevy. The same style transmission works from a straight 6 to a big block
@@vicmccartin you can use a steering box out of any Chrysler to another Chrysler except a truck. I think I’ll stick with having to have 2 different bell housings
@@vicmccartin Chevy have the distributor in the back and are a pain in the ass to get to 2nd the different bolt patterns means it has a stronger transmission plus gm doesn't give you room room to work on them like mopar
@@nsidor1234 in smaller Mustangs like my 65 because the stupid shock Tower you can only fit a 351W without serious modifications. It's all right I still love them but it definitely sucks.
@@BPattB I think it’s the same for the Falcon if someone were to put a large FE engine in since they basically are the same car since the Mustang is a derivative of the Falcon.
I agree. However... It's a lot better than those lower control arms on that chrysler "c" body with that torsion bar suspension. Or the lower control arms on a chevy that you have to get a press for the ball joints, and it's still better than ANY Macpherson strut. The problems that come with all cars, and they all have 'em, come from cost reduced manufacture and design compromise between performance and ride, mileage and weight\power, and trying to sell that to the public. I don't think I know a mechanic that likes the way any car was built after the Model "A".
The inner Ford fan in me was ready to argue the second I saw the title, but as usual Uncle Tony was spot on with his complaint on the FoMoCo spring towers.
My thing with Ford has always been learning to bring the VIN with you to the parts store so you know what month your '86 EXP or whatever was built, so you can get the water pump they were using that month.
1983 escort split yr edition 3 different sets of brakes, 2 different ac compressors, a whole myriad of different parts, go to parts store with part in hand so you can match them up.
You just reminded me that back in the early 80’s when I was an auto mechanic, I spent so much time replacing Ford upper ball joints and upper/inner bushings that I was making my boss some serious money!
One good thing about the spring towers was the style of headers that the racers had to use to get the 427s to breathe. The front tubes went straight down and under the lower control arms where they connected to the other three tubes, making for the most radical looking headers of the door slammer days. The cars looked so ferocious from the front, and they worked too. Now replacing the plugs on a 428 CJ Mustang, don't get me started.
Ol' Journeyman here... For the right side, you pull the glove box and punch a two inch hole in the firewall so you can get an air ratchet in there. After, fill it with a heavy edge plug (grommet).Or the plugs come in and out right over the control arms. IF you jack up the car and let the suspension hang, remove the front wheels, then you can go over the upper shafts. That's a pain in the ass, though, and should be coordinated with tire rotation or brake job.
Yeah, I never liked those shock towers either. Not all Fords had them though, just the unibodies. The Galaxies, Marauders and Montereys didn't. They had full frames, different suspensions and a lot more room under their hoods. One more reason why I love 'em!
I think NASCAR had the right idea when it came to building unibody cars for competition. Everything becomes body on frame with a narrowed Galaxie front suspension. Hell, that's what the Torino and Montego became in '72.
I absolutely love you guys. All the UTG "staff." I only ask one thing: Please do not change. Please just keep being the way you are. Don't go off the rails like Roadkill did.
@Adrian Vegas Some people don’t like that Roadkill went from low buck YT to professionally produced „TV show“ that you have to pay for. They also use new, shiny quality parts that sometimes come from sponsors that are expensive to buy instead of rebuild junkyard parts. People say they „sold out“ and are no real hotrodders because of that.
@@TheBabyDerp Oh I dunno. Sometimes making do with what's on hand is harder than just buying what you need. Fabricating motor mounts and "rearranging" things is not necessarily very realistic. But buying a short block that's made for the chassis is a whole lot easier and not ridiculously expensive.
I'm assuming that's his wife that is filming this. When he started walking toward that Fiero with his calibrated hands starting to measure, I could just feel her eyes roll. He seems like a nice guy, so I'm glad that he has an understanding wife with a sense of humor. Those are golden!
He is a nice guy - I used to know Tony when he lived in NY, and lost touch when he moved South. I picked up all sorts of interesting knowledge from him, like "be careful with Magneto's, they hurt like @&¢¥% when they zap you"🤣
We had a high performance shop in Grand Rapids Mi. That also had a used speed part section. my friend Allen picked up a Jacob's magneto and gave it a spin before I could warn him, it got him good! He threw it down and surprisingly he didn't break the glass topped display case it was sitting on! His eyes were the size of dinner plates!
@@georgepierce8535 but she does a great job of it it’s like you forget there’s even a camera person there she is always in focus says very little knows right where to go and In this video she caught a great candid moment which had me cracking up
For decades the world has questioned why Ford designed their chassis the way they did. The only reason I can think of is Ford must have wanted as long of a coil spring as possible for ride quality.
I love that Uncle Tony is so old school he still says "filming"! Like they are still out there with a super 8 pointed at him! Love this guy! Cracks me up! I hope I'm in good enough health to be out wondering the junkyard pissed at stupid designs 50 years after they make them!
One millisecond after the hands come up in what looks like a measured distance, while walking past a Fiero. Me. " Oh no. Here it comes... " Tony. " It'll fit ".......... Me. Oh you poor bastard. The road to hell is paved with fabrication my son. This will be glorious and painful all at once. As Cathy laughs maniacally in the background. Can't wait.
@@DrewLSsix hell yea that would be cool mine was a 92 and I wanted to keep it front wheel drive. It never worked out. It would be easy now with those impala ss 5.3s
Oh man the genuine reaction Uncle Tony had to the Fierro was priceless and honest. Actually if he did all his videos like this, he would be way more entertaining.
I own a 1965 TBird like you were looking at, and I love it. I also couldn't agree more with everything you said. Those damn shock towers are such a nightmare on so many different levels... I'm surprised you didn't mention the top exhaust manifold bolts on the FE. Why Ford WHY!?!?
I can already see UT’s new channel, Will it Slant Six? Where he installs slants in Miatas, fieros, accords, slant sixes inside slant sixes, to replace the generator in his house, in stranger’s cars in the grocery store parking lot...
Chevy also sandwiched V-8's in a small area as well. A 67 impala you had to drill a hole in the fender well to get to the back plugs or pull the enhgine.
I agree completely! Those cars have so many things going for them, but that front suspension kills any ideas that you can make up to make them really perform, and it’s sad
I think the early 70's fury's with a slant 6 are cool because they are almost as big as an imperial but have this tiny looking engine under the hood with enormous amounts of room around it. Something about that is cool to me.
1970 Ford Galaxie LTD. I just picked one up... miles of space to work under the hood with with proper front suspension! 385 series 429, 9 inch rear end. Check them out! They're still cheap!
I read that ford originally was going to install the Boss 429 in the full size Ford XL because it would fit right in easily, instead of messing with the shock towers like they did with the Mustang but the XL wasn't considered sporty enough so they chose the Mustang for homologation.
My 1968 Ford F100 Truck with 390 FE engine is still running. With rebuilt engine and added power steering and AC, I get (thumbs up) from people every day
I am a long time Ford guy, but yeah, those shock towers are a heart breaker. But he missed another one. He had his hand right above the place where the PUSH RODS GO THROUGH THE INTAKE MANIFOLD! It is one of the most bizarre designs in the world. You can't swap the intake without pulling the pushrods. And you really want to get that 100 lb cast iron intake out of there.
if you are building something with am F,E that doesnt have shock towers and want the biggest bang for your buck for your first mod ..always get headers and dual exhaust on a F.E and it wakes them up pretty good
Great video. I enjoyed the Fiero moment. I once saw a guy put a turbocharged V6 Buick motor into one of those, and it made it scary fast. The car is so light and mid engine configuration turns it really into a poorboy's 80's Ferrari going from 100 to 300 HP wound up.
This is exactly why I sold my late father's 66 428 Thunderbird! He dreamed of building that car with me and we never got it done. But it was such a nightmare to work on I just got rid of it instead of fulfilling his dream. Also big block Fords eat exhaust manifolds and gaskets for lunch which makes this problem even more of a nightmare!
Having installed Hooker headers in a '67 Mustang with an FE engine I can relate to this video. Funny thing was when I bought the car the previous owner had just had a tune up at a local garage but they only changed 7 of the plugs and gave him the other new plug and had told him to come back when he could leave the car over night (so they could change that last plug when the engine was cold). Much as I love my mustang (I've had it over 40 years) there is no denying the FE doesn't really fit between those shock towers very well! PS - I just discovered your videos/channel and it is great! Thanks!
I just did a LS swap on a fiero, it was very tight length wise, had to cut into the frame on both sides. A slant is probably longer! It’d be cool though!!
350 v8 will fit in fiero too... guy use to take his v8 fiero to local car meet, people would flock to check it out.. only fiero I ever thought was cool.
@@mindblownwatcher8536 I can attest to that. I have one in my '93 Z24. 5-Speed too. The swap from auto to 5-speed was more challenging than the motor swap itself. I have another motor I just rebuilt that's going into a'91 Cavalier 4-door. It's puke brown with black steelies and ugly as f*ck. It's going to be my sleeper. These kids with these rice burners are in for a big surprise. I gapped the living $hit out of a foxbody with full Bolton's with the Z24 just last weekend. I love it.
Being the owner of a 65 Galixie with a 390 FE, I was about to unsubscribe when I saw the title, but I heard you out. I agree and will continue to subscribe. Thanks for all the great info.
Well, a tombstone has a birth date, a dash and then a death date. Make your dash meaningful. Glad to see Uncle Tony giving meaning to his dash, especially fulfilling the challenges of “slant-sixing ” these small sport’s cars.
I got a good story for you Tony. When I worked a shop, we had a Crown Victoria come in, one of the things on the list was change the gas filter. Now this is like a 92 Crown Victoria cop car looking thing. I get it on the lift.Jack the car up, & what do I see? A factory Ford Spin on fuel filter!!! I shit you not, factory installed, right down to the mounting brackets. After a few minutes of scratching my head, i called the dealership. They told me that it was factory installed, but there's no listing for it. You see, when they run out of a part, they substituted with whatever they had laying around, and since it's the last ten thousand units or so, it doesn't make it into the book or the listing. So here you have a bastard part, on a bastard of a car, with no listing, and no way to even replace it without that part number that's on the original. There's literally no listing anywhere, for a spin on gas filter on a Crown Victoria. It looked like an oil filter hanging down from the frame. And I can go on all day long about Fords. Oh, and then there's the dreaded lower ball joint issue with Crown Vics. I can't tell you how many Crown Victorias and Grand Marquis that were blocking major intersections, because the lower ball joint had snapped or just disconnected completely, and left the car like a brick wherever it broke. Wreckers even had a hard time loading them, because the loaded lower control arm is just bashing the ground. And, not only have I been an ASE certified Master Tech for 36 years, I also drove a wrecker for years, so I know.
It’s funny you mentioned a 428 into a Mustang. My uncle has a numbers matching 1970, and he had it on a rotisserie. When I asked him why there’s holes in the fender well he said “so you could change the spark plugs”. He was a Ford tech back in the day and he said it was completely normal for them to drill holes so they didn’t have to pull the motor. They even made templates for different models so all the had to do was Chuck up a hole saw and go.
I owned a Mustang Mach1 with shaker hood in the late 70's as a teenager, loved the car back then because it looked cool and I didn't know any better. So I wanted to relive those days and bought a 69 Mustang to restore in the late 80's. I was absolutely scratching my head at the crappy design. Sold it and never looked back. My 7000 lb Ram truck is faster, handles and stops better.
I was building a 390 mustang out of a 68 with a 200-6 back in 78 . When i saw the size and stiffness of the springs and realized the weight on the nose i switched to a warmed over 302 with C4 . A friend took the FE + C6 and stuck it into a 67 Falcon , even after assembling the headers in car after engine installation he decided he needed a 427 . We both removed the Power steering add ons . Guess which car you couldn't parallel park ?
All big FoMoCo cars, along 1967+ T birds, had their coil springs on the lower, not upper control arms, during the entire FE era. The 1966 down Birds as well as all Falcons, Mustangs and 1962+ Fairlanes did use the style as described by Tony.
Although I love my Fords, you are absolutely right. There is no logical reason that I can find why they placed the suspension above the upper control arm.
A cousin of mine had a 68 Mustang with a 428. Had to unbolt the engine mounts and jack up the engine to change the spark plugs. Nice car but still was a pain to do so.
Tony your vids are great! Good communication skills. I've had a few Ford's too: •88 Mustang GT 5.0 5-SP •91 Mustang LX 5.0 Auto • 74 F-100 390!! FE!! •65 Mustang w retrofitted 351 Cleveland. I tell you the Foxes were great, when I had the GT I was living at sea level. I'm not a hot rodder so the issues you articulated weren't an issue for me. (Oil sump design etc.) The GT was really practical for that category of car (hatchback, a bit taller than the Camaro/Bird, fold-flat 60/40 rear seats). The LX, as a convertible with auto trans and living in Denver with thin air, it had anemic performance.
Brother, I agree. Unlike yourself I was always a Chevy guy. The Chevy IIs did the unibody, loaded upper A-frame thing. Beautiful car, but with all the frame integrity of a VW beetle. I was a mechanic for 20 years, I feel you about Fords. Mopar was not without sin. Neither was GM. Chevy replaced the 283 with that garbage 305, but the chassis were still either ladder frames or tragically, sub-frames. Also, for the Super Sports, they put big blocks in the Chevy IIs and the Chevelles, but put a small block in the Impala SS? Amongst other grief. My Pop was GM. He taught me how to work on his vehicles. I understand them better, so that's my preference. Duck-like bonding. You go with what you start with. I'm sure glad my first car wasn't a Matador.
Uncle Tony is right again! I'm almost done swapping a 351 Cleveland into my 1967 Mustang but the headers still don't fit. After much careful denting, they still wedge against the drivers side shock tower which forces the motor to sit at a slight angle. I bought Hooker competition headers that were advertised to fit the 67 chassis even though they aren't anywhere close to fitting. If anybody has done this swap I'd love to hear what headers you used. Or anybody who has run into similar issues and found a fix.
@Charlie Darwin GM alternators were light years ahead of Ford’s sorry charging systems. The more recent internal regulator Ford units are decent enough but those external ones are total garbage. I used to work at a big fleet operation and 5 Ford alternators and regulators failed for every GM and Chrysler unit. The Ford cop car units were the worst. The Ford electronic ignition boxes also had a high failure rate and Ford had class action lawsuits over the TFI modules due to chronic stalling issues.
@Charlie Darwin The only thing I totally agree on is the GM starter shims. I forgot to mention how lousy the Ford power steering pumps are. We also had lots of trouble with premature Ford transmission failures. Better idea my butt! By the way. Most Ford starters have an integral solenoid.
@Charlie Darwin The point I’m making is that modern Ford starters and alternators are made a lot like older GM starters and alternators because GM was 50 years ahead of Ford in technology. GM invented car starters, automatic transmissions and many other innovations while Ford made inferior copies. The reason you prefer old Fords is because you like Stone Age technology.
I'm actually trying to repair my girlfriend's 1993 Mazda Miata 1.6 engine, with the 6 inch pinion gear, I want to install the 1994 differential with the 7 inch gear, and I actually own a 1985 Pontiac Fiero GT, I'm so ready to see UTG do videos on these 2 vehicles!
Ford can be an amazing route! If you have time and money. This is a prime example of why most guys nowadays are Chevy guys. Chevys make power cheap and reliably. Ford's make power expensively.
I never had a car nickel and dime me more than my Dodge, but I still got 300,000 miles from my 318 with the only internal failure being a timing chain.
Years ago I read an article about modding 1st Gen Mustang suspensions. The 1st Gen Mustang suspension was straight out of the Falcon. The Falcon was as basic as a car could be. A mom 'n pop special that had no sporting pretenses whatsoever. The suspension was designed to provide a reasonable ride, good reliability and most importantly BE CHEAP TO PRODUCE. At the time Ford was also tinkering with the idea of using MacPherson strut, which would need suspension towers like those used on the Falcon/Mustang. Yes, MacPherson strut was considered way back in the late 50s for North American Fords. Earle MacPherson developed his namesake suspension at GM in the 1940s, but Earle felt that GM was not taking his work seriously so he move to Ford and took the design work he had done at GM with him. Ford decided against using struts in North America because they couldn't justify the added expense on a such a cheap throwaway car like the Falcon. Interestingly, Ford Europe really took to the MacPherson strut, many Euro-Fords using that type of suspension before Ford North America got around to it.
I have a disease! I make myself sick! I am laughing my ass off right now! That’s me! Tony finish the Miata first but grab that Fiero for another time! I see it too!
Growing up in the 60's and 70's my dad was always a Ford man, I remember him always raggin on Dodge's, and only because of their starters, they had their own unique sound and he just hated it, I wish I could remember what he compared it too, seems like it was something about a washing machine, but my memory has faded, guess I could ask my mom but she is almost 90, all I know is he was a Ford guy, although I remember one exception, it was a beautiful blue 64 El Camino that someone put a 327 4 speed out of a Vette in it, I remember him getting rubber in first and second but wasn't up to trying for 3rd gear, it had a posi, but dad was getting older and a bit more careful.
Just reading your comment on Dodge starters, I can still hear them now. Ford starters had their own sound as well, to me they sounded like chattering dolphins.
Exactly! Yes! and I am a ford guy... Don't forget the frames that always rust and are largely disconnected from the front to rear of car, so you have to add "frame stiffeners"
Love my '69 Mustang fastback, but my '64 Olds station wagon ironically has a way better suspension design than Ford's ultimate 60's performance. Also easier to upgrade the A body wagon to handle.
Absolutely correct and I'm a Ford man. The FE engine had this problem. I'm stuffing a 460 into a 54 Ford now and forced to make it a straight axle gasser just to get it in.
Soooooooo you Wana fight bud?!?
Sit down peg you're drunk .🤣👍
We didn't say Ferd's.
Get em peg
@@UncleTonysGarage Fu*kin love u minty pricks! Thanks for the good Vidya bud
@@northernwolfhound7096 hahaha define "drunk"? Haha
"FEs barely fit in their chassis!"
"Let's put a slant in a Fiero!"
Let’s put a 390 fe with a thermoquad in that fiero!
The new shirt should say "We can put a slant in that." Lol
I put a larger 429 SCJ in a 1969 Cobra and others just like that so your claim has no merit .390 came in 1967 on up Fairlane, Comet ,Mustang and Cougar .I replaced several with 427 's and 428 '
The shock towers are stronger FE cars .
I got a good laugh out of that one to(!!) The Mopar mind is slightly bent for sure!!
@@joshsamuelson1793 yes, with a picture of UT holding his arms up like that
On Tony's tombstone, "Hey, I think we can get a slant in here!"
“I want to slant-swap the world!”
We need a UTG t-shirt of that.
This comment had me on the floor
@@youhaveamonkey Unfortunately, that'll have to wait until next year's Christmas
Every company has their weaknesses and I've come to realize while being diehard Mopar and being raised to hate Chevys, that every brand had its quirks and faults. That realization has saved me years arguing.
Chevy is easier every day of the week. Cheaper , easier to swap , everything bolts to everything. Ford and dodge suck with their bell housing bolt patterns. Ford and mopar have big and small block transmission bolt patterns. Different across engine designs to. Small block or big block chevy. The same style transmission works from a straight 6 to a big block
I completely agree. To each there own. You like what you like and I'll like what I like and we can still be friends.
@@vicmccartin you can use a steering box out of any Chrysler to another Chrysler except a truck. I think I’ll stick with having to have 2 different bell housings
@@vicmccartin Chevy have the distributor in the back and are a pain in the ass to get to 2nd the different bolt patterns means it has a stronger transmission plus gm doesn't give you room room to work on them like mopar
@@jjtool5800 Yep, 2 different bell housings is not a big issue at all.
As a dyed-in-the-wool fan of The Mighty Blue Oval who has owned many 60's FoMoCo offerings and all I can say is, Tony ain't wrong.
As a Ford guy, I appreciate Tony's perspective and backs up his comments with solid evidence.
It's not a great design...
Lol yep. It sucks
Headers solve the problem. Installing them is a nightmare all its own though...
@@nsidor1234 in smaller Mustangs like my 65 because the stupid shock Tower you can only fit a 351W without serious modifications. It's all right I still love them but it definitely sucks.
@@BPattB I think it’s the same for the Falcon if someone were to put a large FE engine in since they basically are the same car since the Mustang is a derivative of the Falcon.
I agree. However... It's a lot better than those lower control arms on that chrysler "c" body with that torsion bar suspension. Or the lower control arms on a chevy that you have to get a press for the ball joints, and it's still better than ANY Macpherson strut. The problems that come with all cars, and they all have 'em, come from cost reduced manufacture and design compromise between performance and ride, mileage and weight\power, and trying to sell that to the public. I don't think I know a mechanic that likes the way any car was built after the Model "A".
The inner Ford fan in me was ready to argue the second I saw the title, but as usual Uncle Tony was spot on with his complaint on the FoMoCo spring towers.
Agreed ... Coming from Uncle Tony , ℹ'll Respect that
Yeah... I'll give him that. Nothing, even a Ford, is perfect.
Some fords you can notch the strut towers to fit better exhaust
GM sure made a lot of novas with the same setup. Nothing a straight axle and fenderwell headers won't fix.
My 64 fairlane has the same set up. I plan on putting a fake Boss 302 in it.
Proof that Uncle Tony has a slanted view of the car world.
I want a slant 6 with a thermoquad.
'slanted reality' t shirts??
Why would anyone want to swap in a slant 6
@@faststang85 Only if you don't know how to tune a carb. There's more to it than installing it and turning the idle screw.
@@faststang85 EFI is for lazy cucks
My thing with Ford has always been learning to bring the VIN with you to the parts store so you know what month your '86 EXP or whatever was built, so you can get the water pump they were using that month.
Always used 3 or 4 different pieces for the same part even on the same years !?
1983 escort split yr edition 3 different sets of brakes, 2 different ac compressors, a whole myriad of different parts, go to parts store with part in hand so you can match them up.
@@juggernautxtrmustangs and everything is that way from 74-84. After that they cleaned their act
@@nathanieljones7981 worked on numerous ford vehicles with in that time frame...your assumption is incorrect.
@@juggernautxtr no. I’m not….
You just reminded me that back in the early 80’s when I was an auto mechanic, I spent so much time replacing Ford upper ball joints and upper/inner bushings that I was making my boss some serious money!
Yea they would start squeaking. No way to grease.
Lol, uncle Kathy chronicles the slow descent into madness... the abyss stares back Tony!
I think this comment has made my entire wknd!!!
Hahaha!
...and the abyss said...throw those slants somewhere else, I got enough junk down here...
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm a Ford guy for 40 years and you're absolutely right, lol..
Tesla: BEHOLD THE WORLDS BEST ELECTRIC CAR!!!! Uncle Tony: bet a slant'll fit right in there 😂😂
I want a 61 cube Briggs v twin with open pipes in mine please 😂
@@MrTheHillfolk don't forget a turbo lol
A Slant Tesla would be epic
@@MrTheHillfolk To keep with the Tesla theme you can put 1 V twin per wheel.
Go see what Rich is having to do to put an LS in to a Tesla.
One good thing about the spring towers was the style of headers that the racers had to use to get the 427s to breathe. The front tubes went straight down and under the lower control arms where they connected to the other three tubes, making for the most radical looking headers of the door slammer days. The cars looked so ferocious from the front, and they worked too. Now replacing the plugs on a 428 CJ Mustang, don't get me started.
Ol' Journeyman here... For the right side, you pull the glove box and punch a two inch hole in the firewall so you can get an air ratchet in there. After, fill it with a heavy edge plug (grommet).Or the plugs come in and out right over the control arms. IF you jack up the car and let the suspension hang, remove the front wheels, then you can go over the upper shafts. That's a pain in the ass, though, and should be coordinated with tire rotation or brake job.
@@jeffnolan7392Oof
Yeah, I never liked those shock towers either. Not all Fords had them though, just the unibodies. The Galaxies, Marauders and Montereys didn't. They had full frames, different suspensions and a lot more room under their hoods. One more reason why I love 'em!
Glad I want the old one saying that, totally depended what car you have. Galaxies and later fairlanes actually have quite a bit of room!
I think NASCAR had the right idea when it came to building unibody cars for competition. Everything becomes body on frame with a narrowed Galaxie front suspension. Hell, that's what the Torino and Montego became in '72.
I absolutely love you guys. All the UTG "staff." I only ask one thing: Please do not change. Please just keep being the way you are. Don't go off the rails like Roadkill did.
@Adrian Vegas Some people don’t like that Roadkill went from low buck YT to professionally produced „TV show“ that you have to pay for. They also use new, shiny quality parts that sometimes come from sponsors that are expensive to buy instead of rebuild junkyard parts. People say they „sold out“ and are no real hotrodders because of that.
@@Sackhund123 whenever they go down that route, it becomes less approachable to the common joe.
Man, I really miss the old Roadkill where they built things like the Charger..
@@TheBabyDerp Oh I dunno. Sometimes making do with what's on hand is harder than just buying what you need. Fabricating motor mounts and "rearranging" things is not necessarily very realistic. But buying a short block that's made for the chassis is a whole lot easier and not ridiculously expensive.
I'm assuming that's his wife that is filming this. When he started walking toward that Fiero with his calibrated hands starting to measure, I could just feel her eyes roll. He seems like a nice guy, so I'm glad that he has an understanding wife with a sense of humor. Those are golden!
Tony has micrometer eyes and torque wrench arms! (Click....)
He is a nice guy - I used to know Tony when he lived in NY, and lost touch when he moved South. I picked up all sorts of interesting knowledge from him, like "be careful with Magneto's, they hurt like @&¢¥% when they zap you"🤣
We had a high performance shop in Grand Rapids Mi. That also had a used speed part section. my friend Allen picked up a Jacob's magneto and gave it a spin before I could warn him, it got him good! He threw it down and surprisingly he didn't break the glass topped display case it was sitting on! His eyes were the size of dinner plates!
I got my lesson from a old Wisconsin 4 cyl engine the mag poked me on the leg. I was standing to close to it!
We have a never adhered to rule in my house no new projects until the old one sells
Uncle Kathy does a fantastic job behind the camera
She really does.
She holds cameras. It is what she does.
@@georgepierce8535 but she does a great job of it it’s like you forget there’s even a camera person there she is always in focus says very little knows right where to go and In this video she caught a great candid moment which had me cracking up
For decades the world has questioned why Ford designed their chassis the way they did. The only reason I can think of is Ford must have wanted as long of a coil spring as possible for ride quality.
I love that Uncle Tony is so old school he still says "filming"! Like they are still out there with a super 8 pointed at him! Love this guy! Cracks me up! I hope I'm in good enough health to be out wondering the junkyard pissed at stupid designs 50 years after they make them!
It should be video recording otherwise it could also mean just audio
One millisecond after the hands come up in what looks like a measured distance, while walking past a Fiero.
Me. " Oh no. Here it comes... "
Tony. " It'll fit "..........
Me. Oh you poor bastard. The road to hell is paved with fabrication my son.
This will be glorious and painful all at once. As Cathy laughs maniacally in the background. Can't wait.
I did this same thing one time trying to put a small block Chevy in a Honda Accord my buddys where like watch out he’s thinking.
@@FoysAutomotive I've seen an early hemi in an70s era accord or civic once, obviously it amounted to a shell on a tube chassis.
@@DrewLSsix hell yea that would be cool mine was a 92 and I wanted to keep it front wheel drive. It never worked out. It would be easy now with those impala ss 5.3s
Curses Ford's for 10 minutes..then goes.." Oh...a fiero????" You pretty much found the only place you're going to find them Tony...lol
My friends had some v8 swapped fiero and they like to wheelie under hard acceleration
Thank you Kathy. That was hilarious. I'm so glad you filmed and posted that bit at the end. Great job!
Oh man the genuine reaction Uncle Tony had to the Fierro was priceless and honest. Actually if he did all his videos like this, he would be way more entertaining.
I own a 1965 TBird like you were looking at, and I love it. I also couldn't agree more with everything you said. Those damn shock towers are such a nightmare on so many different levels... I'm surprised you didn't mention the top exhaust manifold bolts on the FE. Why Ford WHY!?!?
I can already see UT’s new channel, Will it Slant Six? Where he installs slants in Miatas, fieros, accords, slant sixes inside slant sixes, to replace the generator in his house, in stranger’s cars in the grocery store parking lot...
"There's nothing fun. No fun to be had here! Bad, bad thing." I can't stop laughing! Thank you Uncle Tony! I really needed a laugh after a tough week.
Reminds me of when Howard Stern uses that Billy Crystal clip: it's not funny ,it's not fun.
Dang it I knew I should have read comments first , same here Charlie !
I'll drink to that!
5:33
As far as I see it, when any make/model is working it's a good one, when they are not working they are all junk regardless of brand.
It’s management culture.
One stubborn/strong personality in a position of authority will crush all reasonable thought.
Wow so true. Excellent comment. Kinda like what's happening in GM right now
Chevy also sandwiched V-8's in a small area as well. A 67 impala you had to drill a hole in the fender well to get to the back plugs or pull the enhgine.
I agree completely! Those cars have so many things going for them, but that front suspension kills any ideas that you can make up to make them really perform, and it’s sad
+1 for the slant Fiero!!!
Monza or maybe a 1st gen mr2.
I saw a nasty rusty one of those for sale the other day 😁
*fiero*
I think the early 70's fury's with a slant 6 are cool because they are almost as big as an imperial but have this tiny looking engine under the hood with enormous amounts of room around it. Something about that is cool to me.
1970 Ford Galaxie LTD. I just picked one up... miles of space to work under the hood with with proper front suspension! 385 series 429, 9 inch rear end. Check them out! They're still cheap!
I read that ford originally was going to install the Boss 429 in the full size Ford XL because it would fit right in easily, instead of messing with the shock towers like they did with the Mustang but the XL wasn't considered sporty enough so they chose the Mustang for homologation.
My 1968 Ford F100 Truck with 390 FE engine is still running. With rebuilt engine and added power steering and AC, I get (thumbs up) from people every day
I am a long time Ford guy, but yeah, those shock towers are a heart breaker. But he missed another one. He had his hand right above the place where the PUSH RODS GO THROUGH THE INTAKE MANIFOLD! It is one of the most bizarre designs in the world. You can't swap the intake without pulling the pushrods. And you really want to get that 100 lb cast iron intake out of there.
im so sending this to my buddy, he has one of them Tbirds and he hates mopar . thanks for the awesome work Uncle tony
if you are building something with am F,E that doesnt have shock towers and want the biggest bang for your buck for your first mod ..always get headers and dual exhaust on a F.E and it wakes them up pretty good
Hence why the 427 was used in the GT40 and the Cobra.
Uncle Tony definitely needs a chaperone in a salvage yard.
Don’t we all?
I wish they had boneyards like that where I lived.
Great video. I enjoyed the Fiero moment. I once saw a guy put a turbocharged V6 Buick motor into one of those, and it made it scary fast. The car is so light and mid engine configuration turns it really into a poorboy's 80's Ferrari going from 100 to 300 HP wound up.
This is exactly why I sold my late father's 66 428 Thunderbird! He dreamed of building that car with me and we never got it done. But it was such a nightmare to work on I just got rid of it instead of fulfilling his dream. Also big block Fords eat exhaust manifolds and gaskets for lunch which makes this problem even more of a nightmare!
it will fit right in there... famous last words
Reminds me of the early days of Project Binky. "They say it can't be done..." :-D
Uncle Tony: making the world a better place, one Slant Six at a time.
I tried to search for "Seymore Balls", don't just don't.
😂😂😂
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣
It was Seymour Balz. Hot Cars was a great mag.
@@73ac39 You got that right!
Thank you so much for the bonus footage - that was the best part !!! God bless you both
Having installed Hooker headers in a '67 Mustang with an FE engine I can relate to this video. Funny thing was when I bought the car the previous owner had just had a tune up at a local garage but they only changed 7 of the plugs and gave him the other new plug and had told him to come back when he could leave the car over night (so they could change that last plug when the engine was cold). Much as I love my mustang (I've had it over 40 years) there is no denying the FE doesn't really fit between those shock towers very well!
PS - I just discovered your videos/channel and it is great! Thanks!
I just did a LS swap on a fiero, it was very tight length wise, had to cut into the frame on both sides. A slant is probably longer! It’d be cool though!!
@@frenchonion4595 Go with a mild 4.3 chevy. Plenty of power and parts galore
Uncle Tony wants to slant the world!!!! Lol love it
The 3800 supercharged fits in that Fiero
Fits in an early Cavalier also😏
350 v8 will fit in fiero too... guy use to take his v8 fiero to local car meet, people would flock to check it out.. only fiero I ever thought was cool.
@@mindblownwatcher8536 I can attest to that. I have one in my '93 Z24. 5-Speed too. The swap from auto to 5-speed was more challenging than the motor swap itself. I have another motor I just rebuilt that's going into a'91 Cavalier 4-door. It's puke brown with black steelies and ugly as f*ck. It's going to be my sleeper. These kids with these rice burners are in for a big surprise. I gapped the living $hit out of a foxbody with full Bolton's with the Z24 just last weekend. I love it.
Being the owner of a 65 Galixie with a 390 FE, I was about to unsubscribe when I saw the title, but I heard you out. I agree and will continue to subscribe. Thanks for all the great info.
Well, a tombstone has a birth date, a dash and then a death date. Make your dash meaningful. Glad to see Uncle Tony giving meaning to his dash, especially fulfilling the challenges of “slant-sixing ” these small sport’s cars.
The end was too funny, Great job Uncle Kathy!! 😂 😂
Shouldn't she be Aunt Kathy? Lol
You can't stop me, I still want a 390 Thunderbird!
I'm looking at 428 birds right now. Something nice to take the lady out for an ice cream cone.
Uncle Tony and his precise, measuring instruments.😄
Hey a slant is only Yea long...
@@kramnull8962 😁
If you froze him in that position and set him in front of a slant six his hands would be perfectly on each end of it!
Oh my God that part with you sizing up a slant for a fiero I'm in tears
I got a good story for you Tony. When I worked a shop, we had a Crown Victoria come in, one of the things on the list was change the gas filter. Now this is like a 92 Crown Victoria cop car looking thing. I get it on the lift.Jack the car up, & what do I see? A factory Ford Spin on fuel filter!!! I shit you not, factory installed, right down to the mounting brackets. After a few minutes of scratching my head, i called the dealership. They told me that it was factory installed, but there's no listing for it. You see, when they run out of a part, they substituted with whatever they had laying around, and since it's the last ten thousand units or so, it doesn't make it into the book or the listing. So here you have a bastard part, on a bastard of a car, with no listing, and no way to even replace it without that part number that's on the original. There's literally no listing anywhere, for a spin on gas filter on a Crown Victoria. It looked like an oil filter hanging down from the frame. And I can go on all day long about Fords. Oh, and then there's the dreaded lower ball joint issue with Crown Vics. I can't tell you how many Crown Victorias and Grand Marquis that were blocking major intersections, because the lower ball joint had snapped or just disconnected completely, and left the car like a brick wherever it broke. Wreckers even had a hard time loading them, because the loaded lower control arm is just bashing the ground. And, not only have I been an ASE certified Master Tech for 36 years, I also drove a wrecker for years, so I know.
Uncle Tony exclaims “Get me some grease and some tire irons, we can put a Slant 6 in the back of a ‘64 Beetle”
Best thing about swapping anything into an old VW is you have infinite room with a little trimming! Don't need no back bumper or hood!
Dont give him any ideas.
A slant in a VW bug would be an abomination.
Flip transaxle and put slanty in backseat! This is do-able! Slanty swap EVERYTHING!
My dad knew a guy who put a Hemi in a Beetle...so, hey...it's possible.
Epic unit of measurement Uncle Tony.
It’s funny you mentioned a 428 into a Mustang. My uncle has a numbers matching 1970, and he had it on a rotisserie. When I asked him why there’s holes in the fender well he said “so you could change the spark plugs”. He was a Ford tech back in the day and he said it was completely normal for them to drill holes so they didn’t have to pull the motor. They even made templates for different models so all the had to do was Chuck up a hole saw and go.
I did the same thing.
I owned a Mustang Mach1 with shaker hood in the late 70's as a teenager, loved the car back then because it looked cool and I didn't know any better. So I wanted to relive those days and bought a 69 Mustang to restore in the late 80's. I was absolutely scratching my head at the crappy design. Sold it and never looked back. My 7000 lb Ram truck is faster, handles and stops better.
That restricted exhaust was used in their trucks as well even though there was a ton of room to put a bigger free flowing manifold.
"I WANNA SLANT SWAP THE WORLD!" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! love it!
Tony doesnt realize he had a counter part in the Ford engineering dept who loved FE big blocks, sure it 'll fit in there.
I was building a 390 mustang out of a 68 with a 200-6 back in 78 . When i saw the size and stiffness of the springs and realized the weight on the nose i switched to a warmed over 302 with C4 . A friend took the FE + C6 and stuck it into a 67 Falcon , even after assembling the headers in car after engine installation he decided he needed a 427 . We both removed the Power steering add ons . Guess which car you couldn't parallel park ?
@@u121921 lol i guess whoever tried to or has done it repeatedly has Popeye arms now and is irritable
All big FoMoCo cars, along 1967+ T birds, had their coil springs on the lower, not upper control arms, during the entire FE era. The 1966 down Birds as well as all Falcons, Mustangs and 1962+ Fairlanes did use the style as described by Tony.
Although I love my Fords, you are absolutely right. There is no logical reason that I can find why they placed the suspension above the upper control arm.
“You know what Ford stands for right? Fix it again Tony.” - Dale Gribble
That's Fiat
@@brimzs Think you missed the Dale Gribble part, if you google him you will get the reference.
Customers states "something is wrong with my car"
Tony "It didnt come with a slant six"
Uncle Tony, “No fun to be had here”. Damn those shock towers
“ What did we do to deserve this?“ bahaha!!!
A cousin of mine had a 68 Mustang with a 428. Had to unbolt the engine mounts and jack up the engine to change the spark plugs. Nice car but still was a pain to do so.
Tony your vids are great! Good communication skills.
I've had a few Ford's too:
•88 Mustang GT 5.0 5-SP
•91 Mustang LX 5.0 Auto
• 74 F-100 390!! FE!!
•65 Mustang w retrofitted 351 Cleveland.
I tell you the Foxes were great, when I had the GT I was living at sea level. I'm not a hot rodder so the issues you articulated weren't an issue for me. (Oil sump design etc.)
The GT was really practical for that category of car (hatchback, a bit taller than the Camaro/Bird, fold-flat 60/40 rear seats).
The LX, as a convertible with auto trans and living in Denver with thin air, it had anemic performance.
Someone got so sick of busting knuckles and getting their hands stuck in there that they just junked the whole fleet.
Ha ha, ‘ I’m getting sick just looking at it’ hilarious.
Literally my biggest pet peeve in my 64 Fairlane with a 351W.
Brother, I agree. Unlike yourself I was always a Chevy guy. The Chevy IIs did the unibody, loaded upper A-frame thing. Beautiful car, but with all the frame integrity of a VW beetle. I was a mechanic for 20 years, I feel you about Fords. Mopar was not without sin. Neither was GM. Chevy replaced the 283 with that garbage 305, but the chassis were still either ladder frames or tragically, sub-frames. Also, for the Super Sports, they put big blocks in the Chevy IIs and the Chevelles, but put a small block in the Impala SS? Amongst other grief.
My Pop was GM. He taught me how to work on his vehicles. I understand them better, so that's my preference. Duck-like bonding. You go with what you start with.
I'm sure glad my first car wasn't a Matador.
Uncle Tony is right again! I'm almost done swapping a 351 Cleveland into my 1967 Mustang but the headers still don't fit. After much careful denting, they still wedge against the drivers side shock tower which forces the motor to sit at a slight angle. I bought Hooker competition headers that were advertised to fit the 67 chassis even though they aren't anywhere close to fitting. If anybody has done this swap I'd love to hear what headers you used. Or anybody who has run into similar issues and found a fix.
Settled down to watch this video after trying to get a 1967 390 mustang to start after sitting for a while... odd coincidence.
Try harder. Got an fe started after 30 yrs in 20 minutes.
@The Catboy King wont even start on bottle feeding it? Either no spark or timing way out
Slant swap it!
Hahaha!
@@cjbert6790 What do you think a 390 is?
AJ Wilson Sorry, my mistake,
The GM video is going to be a 30 minute video
Now days yes haha
The big 3 could all have a 30min video on why they suck...
I don't see how the Mopar one was any shorter than that.
The one good thing about Ford's from that era was the solenoid on the inner fender.
and the front mount distributor, fe water pumps were easy to change out,
Right, so we could punk Ford drivers by connecting the start wire to their horn.
@Charlie Darwin
GM alternators were light years ahead of Ford’s sorry charging systems. The more recent internal regulator Ford units are decent enough but those external ones are total garbage. I used to work at a big fleet operation and 5 Ford alternators and regulators failed for every GM and Chrysler unit. The Ford cop car units were the worst. The Ford electronic ignition boxes also had a high failure rate and Ford had class action lawsuits over the TFI modules due to chronic stalling issues.
@Charlie Darwin
The only thing I totally agree on is the GM starter shims. I forgot to mention how lousy the Ford power steering pumps are. We also had lots of trouble with premature Ford transmission failures. Better idea my butt!
By the way. Most Ford starters have an integral solenoid.
@Charlie Darwin
The point I’m making is that modern Ford starters and alternators are made a lot like older GM starters and alternators because GM was 50 years ahead of Ford in technology. GM invented car starters, automatic transmissions and many other innovations while Ford made inferior copies.
The reason you prefer old Fords is because you like Stone Age technology.
“ we can fit a slant in this thing “ i fuggin love TONY wisdom and just a great guy
I'm actually trying to repair my girlfriend's 1993 Mazda Miata 1.6 engine, with the 6 inch pinion gear, I want to install the 1994 differential with the 7 inch gear, and I actually own a 1985 Pontiac Fiero GT, I'm so ready to see UTG do videos on these 2 vehicles!
Ford can be an amazing route! If you have time and money. This is a prime example of why most guys nowadays are Chevy guys. Chevys make power cheap and reliably. Ford's make power expensively.
Ford engines are low torque engines
Check out NeoMustangs here on YT, you can run 10s with a stock bottom end 302 in a foxbody and a cheap China turbo kit.
@@DylanL69 opposite
Okay Tony when you started looking at that Fiero wanting to put a slant Chrysler motor in there I instantly knew that you truly need a vacation 😂😂😂😂
That stuff is what keeps him alive.
Maybe Derek from vice grip would make ya a deal on his fiero
I never had a car nickel and dime me more than my Dodge, but I still got 300,000 miles from my 318 with the only internal failure being a timing chain.
Uncle Tony, I have a 1994 Ford Ranger. I give you the go-ahead to slant-swap it if you want. Love what you do!
The 60s galaxies have a GM style front suspension. It's a miracle.
gm drag cars uses ford 9inch rear ends.
It was a full size chassis thing, despite his characterization.
Years ago I read an article about modding 1st Gen Mustang suspensions. The 1st Gen Mustang suspension was straight out of the Falcon. The Falcon was as basic as a car could be. A mom 'n pop special that had no sporting pretenses whatsoever. The suspension was designed to provide a reasonable ride, good reliability and most importantly BE CHEAP TO PRODUCE. At the time Ford was also tinkering with the idea of using MacPherson strut, which would need suspension towers like those used on the Falcon/Mustang. Yes, MacPherson strut was considered way back in the late 50s for North American Fords. Earle MacPherson developed his namesake suspension at GM in the 1940s, but Earle felt that GM was not taking his work seriously so he move to Ford and took the design work he had done at GM with him. Ford decided against using struts in North America because they couldn't justify the added expense on a such a cheap throwaway car like the Falcon. Interestingly, Ford Europe really took to the MacPherson strut, many Euro-Fords using that type of suspension before Ford North America got around to it.
"Hi, my name is Tony, and I am a slant-a-holic."
I have a disease! I make myself sick! I am laughing my ass off right now! That’s me! Tony finish the Miata first but grab that Fiero for another time! I see it too!
Growing up in the 60's and 70's my dad was always a Ford man, I remember him always raggin on Dodge's, and only because of their starters, they had their own unique sound and he just hated it, I wish I could remember what he compared it too, seems like it was something about a washing machine, but my memory has faded, guess I could ask my mom but she is almost 90, all I know is he was a Ford guy, although I remember one exception, it was a beautiful blue 64 El Camino that someone put a 327 4 speed out of a Vette in it, I remember him getting rubber in first and second but wasn't up to trying for 3rd gear, it had a posi, but dad was getting older and a bit more careful.
Just reading your comment on Dodge starters, I can still hear them now. Ford starters had their own sound as well, to me they sounded like chattering dolphins.
Exactly! Yes! and I am a ford guy... Don't forget the frames that always rust and are largely disconnected from the front to rear of car, so you have to add "frame stiffeners"
Go for the Fiero slant six LOL
NO TONY NO, we'll never see bottle rocket or plan z at this rate....
More tours of the boneyard please! Do some other rusted hulks and rip into them!
Love my '69 Mustang fastback, but my '64 Olds station wagon ironically has a way better suspension design than Ford's ultimate 60's performance. Also easier to upgrade the A body wagon to handle.
Ahh! The Fiaro! I spelled it wrong, but my thought, always was to put a GNX engine in it!! Imagine how that could work out? Simply amazing!
SLANTED FIERO HERE WE COME!!!
Hell yeah utg slant swap the world 😃
"The guys name was Seymour balls." Classic
Oh man. Another project. God bless you. Im overwhelmed with my 3 projects lol.. I don't know how you do it brother.
Absolutely correct and I'm a Ford man. The FE engine had this problem. I'm stuffing a 460 into a 54 Ford now and forced to make it a straight axle gasser just to get it in.