In 1964 my girlfriend and I double dated in the backseat of a 1964 427, 425hp, 4 spd Galaxy. The sound and feeling sitting in the backseat was incredible as he banged off the gears.
A 427 FE is my favorite non Mopar engine, it was used so successfully in NASCAR, sports racing and drag racing, lots of chequered flags in its history.
In 1968 my friend in Rock Island, Il. put a 427 Side Oiler in his 1967 Mustang. At the time I was 19 y/o and though I loved fast cars I didn't realize what a rare engine he had. His engine had two four barrel carbs with a four speed. We never knew how much hp the engine turned out, but racing on the streets of Davenport, Iowa (across the river) he was never beaten. Corvettes, Roadrunners, and Chevelle SS never came within a full car length. The Mustang weighed about 3200 lbs. The cars owner was Lyle Whitney. He passed away about two years ago.
@@willthetrill4849 He divorced, moved from Rock Island to North Carolina and I lost contact with him for a few years, by the time I learned of his death, the whereabouts of that engine is unknown. I can verify that that engine had a lifetime of hard use and probably was NOT worth anything by the time of his death, no matter who owned it.
A bunch of us had Mustangs back in the mid 70's. My brother had a 69 with a 351 Windsor (he put a 4.56 rear end in it, I think), and beat a guy that had a 440 six pack, I had a 428 Cobra Jet, a friend had a 65 with a 289 and fiberglass tilt hood, one of us had a 67/68 Shelby, and another bought a 67', but not sure of the size, although I'm sure it had a big motor. He put on these wild cross over headers on it. Great memories. Edit: I forgot to mention, most of us were living in Moline, IL.
@@stevegabbert9626i was going to college in 67 and a good friend bought a 66 mustang with a 289 hi po... he chucked the motor [ blew it sky high ] racing on a street south of Rochelle Illinois'...the good ole days !!
@@mitchburk5112 Yes it was. It could be ordered from your local Ford dealer with a part number. Besides this just adds more fuel to the fire to the Crysler babies. Game over for the hemi crowd. Sorry dude but sometimes the truth hurts. The hemi is a beast of an engine and I wish I owned one since I'm a Dodge guy. My closest thing is a 69 Dart with a 440.
FE 427 S/O is God tier engine. My father has one in his 66' fairlane. I have loved that car since childhood, when my father would say "wave bye bye" my younger brother and i would start waving at whoever thought they had a chance next to him 😂😂 truly those are some of my favorite memories. I'm in my fifties now and still get goosebumps riding and or driving it.
Pops would twist his till around 7400rpm so I think this motor has way more to give at the top as well. Whoever gets that motor I hope they get the original heads and intake.
They sound like a race car because from what I heard they have the NASCAR firing order which is not typical. My friend told me this when he worked at Roush and the sound of the engines on the dyno sounded like my Torino that we used to race. He said that was the reason they sound like that. They have a scream that is different than a typical engine.
I love the 427 FEs. They're hugely significant in the realm of muscle cars and racing, and it blows my mind how little aftermarket support they have. They were dominant in NASCAR, they helped Ken Miles and Dan Gurney break the Le Mans lap record 4 times, for a while they were the only non hemi engine permitted to run in the SS/AH class. Great engines that get no love, and it's b.s.
427 Fe Thunderbolt holds the current SS/A record at 8.4 ! Ray Paquet has more wins in that class than anyone, A/S and B/S been dominated by 427 Fe too amazing engine
@@CoyoteFTW Ray has an amazing car, and really shows how good the FEs are. The current SS/AH record is 8.22, so he's knocking on the door of the BO29 and LO23 cars.
The lack of aftermarket was due to its early demise in factory cars and also Ford’s own factory support. Their performance catalog from the early 70’s listed several factory heads,manifolds,cams & pistons etc. Newer big smog V-8’s were easier/cheaper to come by and had little factory support, so it made more sense for companies to focus there.
@@walkitoffarizona887 they can absolutely turn high rpm like that but being a very rare very expensive engine you really want to make sure it is completely built to handle that kind of rpm before you just start hoping it holds together, all it takes is valve float or a improperly balanced rotating assembly and boom!
Hello Nick and George!!! Love Dyno Monday !!! And a Big Block 427 Ford !!!!! Beautiful sounding 427 ! Had a nice deep roar to it !!! I love the colors on the Ford car it came out of it too ...they don't make body style or interiors like that anymore !!! OLD SCHOOL MUSCLE AT NICK'S GARAGE!!!!
My high school car was a 67 Fairlane GT/A. I bought it for $150 with a thrown rod and slashed tires in 79. It was slick,, drivers seat was a little ratty but covers fixed that. I bought a junker 390 engine to get it going and later built a performance 390 for it. Sure had a lot of fun with it. Won a lot of street races and lost a few too. Sold it after I got married because it didn't fit the "plan". Still regretting that move. lol
This was a real unusual engine because they had three versions. The single overhead cam, the side oiler, and the conventional block. It's the engine that won Le Mans twice IIRC in the GT 40 they didn't use the highest horsepower version - it had a single four barrel. carburetor as I recall. What I love about these old engines versus the high-tech engines of today. You pull up to a red light in a 426 hemi or 427 Ford and everybody around you knew that you had a high-performance car. And these days the high-performance engines are so quiet and with camshafts that change performance with RPM even the idle sounds like a Volkswagen
Very cool to see such a rare engine performing on the dyno . 402 hp is not bad at all ...but with a complete rebuild and not to crazy, so you could really get some more hp .. but I wouldn't want to damage that rare engine . Always great to be a Nick's Garage!!!!!!! Take care everyone!!!
That 427 would have had the factory Lemans rods in it. They were rated by Ford for up to 7500 rpm. Nick was running it VERY conservative. Would it have made more than 402hp? Probably, but would likely have run out of camshaft long before there was any danger of engine damage
As a Ford Guy I loved watching this monster on the dyno!! When Nick asked, "You guys wanna see another test?!", I can't believe I actually yelled, "YEAH!!" at the screen!! 🤣🤣👍
When I was in school in the 60s, there was a guy that had a 63 1/2 XL fastback with a 427 2-4bbl, 4 spd, black with a red interior. That was beautiful car and I was a bowtie kid because dad worked for a Chevy dealer. I bet it was a bear to keep tuned up with a medium thermostat and leaded gasoline.
My favorite car and my favorite stock engine. No they weren't that hard to keep tuned, but I did mostly run the single 4bbl-never missed that 15-20 hp unless I was headed to the strip, or someone came to town to run and I wasn't certain what they had.
@@Ray56z My favorite was the W block 409 with 2-4 bbl. There was a guy that ordered a 63 Impala SS with that engine. It was maroon with a black interior. I still remember it 60 years later.
@@charleshaggard4341 Wasn't a chevy fan but I did appreciate my Aunts factory ordered '62 Impala 409 2-4bbl, 4 speed. She actually had a single 4bbl to begin with but they forgot to put the oil in on it's first service and ruined it. Dealer had a twin 4bbl someone had failed to pay for yet, so to keep her and my pickup and truck buying Uncle happy it went in her car. Doubt that thing even spun a tire halfway around on gravel, let alone pavement. She died in 2006 and it still had the "diamond plate' plastic seat covers on it.
A Pontiac Chevy kid myself.....owned three Fords over the years but always had bad luck with them. Loved them when they ran, hated them when they didn't. I suppose it's the same w/Ford favorite fans occasionally owning GM's.
@@charleshaggard4341 I had that engine in a '57 Chevy with a Muncie out of a GTO. It was fast and thirsty. Could burn rubber all the way through second gear. I got 7 mpg cruise'n and street racing on 37 cents high test.
I love your organized shop and work ethic Nick! Who wouldn't want to work for you? I would have loved to see you tune it up and tweak it for more HP! Still better than any TV show! Who needs cable TV? Thanks Nick!
Interesting how different manufacturers engines have their own sound. To my old ears that sounds like a Ford. Don’t ask me to explain. Good numbers from that engine. Nick, your Dyno carb is a reliable piece for sure. Love Francis’ Galaxie. Have a great week all.
@David-yy7lb funny thing is that the Ford firing order, if you transpose it to the GMs or Mopars, is virtually the same. The cylinder numbering is different with the Fords and the same with the GMs and Mopars.
You always know what you're getting when it has been in Nicks hands. The client should have no problem selling that rare beast with this dyno footage to back up the talk.
It's great how you predominantly do Mopar, but don't mind showing some of the other Muscle cars as well, thanks for sharing, all the best to you and your loved ones
The only hydraulic lifter 427 was in the 1968 Cougars..... rated at 390 HP. It used the 428CJ/ 390 S code cam. All other 427's had solid lifters. There's no telling what cam/lifter setup that engine has. Still, 400HP is a respectable figure.
30 or so years ago I built a 427 top-oiler for a project. It was a reverse-rotation marine engine, and I learned a lot about these FEs. To reuse the crank I had to have it machined to remove the oil slingers so it wouldn't squirt out the rear main seal. Also, all 427s had cross-bolted mains. The marine engine had a cast iron oil pan that easily weighed 40lbs and it had mismatched low-riser heads. I wish I had it today to do a proper build with Trick Flow alum heads; easy 600hp.
Love your show, Nick!!! Nice to see an FE on the dyno. Based on the numbers and where HP drops off after peak, I’d say you’re right about it having a hydraulic cam. That engine seems to be set up like the 1968 Cougar W code 427. (Single 4bbl with hydraulic lifters, CR - 10.9:1). Factory rating for that engine was 390hp @ 5600 / 460lbs @ 3200.
I had a tunnel port 427 Ford engine quite a few years ago, believe it or not, I bought it out of a wrecking yard, out of a street rod someone had junked, I bought it with the intention of putting it in a 63 shortbox stepside Ford pu, but the owner decided to keep the truck, so the engine sat for years in my dad’s barn. I never even got to hear it run, it ended up in Florida, I listed it, and a circle track race guy came up and bought it. I did have a 1962 Ford 2 door post car, with a 406 cu in, 405 hp, 4 speed, 4:11 rear, absolutely stripped car, no radio, rubber mats, bench seat, for a big car, it ran pretty good, I didn’t have it very long, but it was a nice ride.
@@dinadaughtry8993 I liked mine, it pulled very hard, the max wedges of the day, unfortunately pulled harder, and were in lighter bodies. But I still loved that Ford, it had a sound that was pretty unique. 👍
Hi Nick & George, I'm anxious to see what numbers the 427 side oiler will put out on the dyno. Seeing this engine again reminds me of my uncles 427 side oiler in his 64 Galaxie 500XL. Here We Go!!
Would be interesting to see how the Edelbrocks compare to the factory high riser heads. We did one a while back, the customer was scammed on the block, where a shop had done a terrible job of installing sleeves in a block that was cracked across the deck and we deemed it junk. We ended up doing a 428 block/4.25 stroke with the 427 medium riser heads and side winder intake, reused his Lunati 425 HP solid cam, and we made well over 500 HP. We did have to do some work on the top of the cylinders to clear the valves of the 427 heads. A nice pump gas street combo in a 67 Fairlane with a top loader trans.
Need to get rid of that oil fill cap on the driverside valve cover and put a breather in its place. Don't know why so many people run these caps on Fords. 58-64 era FE engines had crankcase ventilation through a mesh screen oil fill cap out of the front of the intake manifold and exited via a road draft tube at the back of the manifold. The OEM valve covers had no provisions for crankcase ventilation/breathers/pcv. In 1965 the FE recieved valve covers with PCV and breather style oil fill caps. Crank case ventilation is a big deal not to ignore. Not Nicks fault, thats just how he recieved it from the owner.
Awesome engine! I love the cackle from the cam inside. Thanks Dr. Panaritis for taking the time to explain what a side oiler engine is and how it works. It would be very interesting to know what kind of numbers it would have produced with an electrical tune up, new plugs and wires, and of course letting Nick dial in the best timing. I'm betting he could have gotten back to the 410 number from the factory specs. I also appreciate how rare that engine is, and Nick's ability to stop, rather than risk damaging something that scarce. It's not like you can call the Auto Zone and order a short block like it was a Chevy 350. Great video Nick!!! 🇺🇸 🇨🇦 🇺🇸 🇨🇦 🇺🇸 🇨🇦
I don't use a break clean I take a hose and put it on the bowl vent and I use a gear oil bottle with gasoline then put it right down into the flow bowl works great.
We ran a 427 side oiler with the high riser heads changed the valves to stainless steel had a guy who was a holly wizard build us a killer holly carburator we ran it in a couple of our late model super stock cars in Michigan and Virginia we would wear out the blocks!! Awesome engine Awesome video thanks for showing this Nick. The side oiler Nascar motor came with steal crank and cross bolt Mains they were four bolt but two came in from the side of the block we turned ours at 6500 hundred all day long it dynoed out to 610 hp max.
Thanks Nick. I'm a FoMoCo guy first, but have lots of respect for the 383 - 440 Mopar big block in all configurations, wedge, hemi, no matter. Big Block Chevys and Pontiacs too, I guess. As a person who lived and dreamt about cross bolted FE's all the way through the 80's and 90's, I guess I'm one of those Cliff Claven types when it comes to the muscle car era FoMoCo "Total Performance" engines. I machined at a performance engine shop that built 50 SBC's to every 1 of anything else, but every now and then we built and raced a few Mopars and all variants of Ford muscle era V8's back then. So, if Cliff was here right now, he would say that other than the ultra rare 68 427 side-oiler, no 427 blocks had lifter oiling for hydraulic lifters. The side-oiler was 65-68. The dual 4 barrel 425 hp versions were available in all years except the 68 427's. The single 4 barrel 410 hp version was available in all years of the 427 except 66. I still have complete original Ford shop manuals for the Ford Full Size Cars, including 427's, for 65 and 66, as my Dad had a Ford full size wagon with a 352 when I was little. The stock side oiler steel crank 427 was good to 6000 rpm easy.
This brings back memories! 1978 Wellington NZ late night drive of a 427 fuel injected cobrajet mustang! 135 mile an hour run north bound freeway! Imported ex American race car! Detuned for highway use. Love the sound of it.
Dana "60" Glass. This big FE sounds fantastic! And the power with no new tune up. New plugs/wires, cap/rotor could have meant a few more horsepower. Wish Manny was there to witness this on camera. If only someone had a 90 day Wonder aka. SOHC 427 for you to test. We can only wish. Great test.
Last video of galaxie i couldn't understand why would he take that rare 427 out and put the 390 in... glad you said this... great choice. Let's keep em original.❤
respectable mumbers considering the chicken soup you run as gas , try it with leaded 104 sunoco like it ran back in the day that will give you 5-10 hp with the timing bumped up
That is a beautiful engine. I would Love to have it in my ‘23 ford. It doesn’t belong in there but it would be a perfect power plant for it. Way better than the typical sbc…..
i know your a old school drag racer so 400 hp doesn't sound to impressive but that's more than 80 percent cars have, those big 8's sound cool great video waiting to see that strait six on the dyno should be interesting
400 from a stock-ish engine in the 60s was insane. Look at those torque numbers though, 400+ through the whole range. I don't have any experience with a side-oiler but my father and I did build a center-oiler together and it was at least this if not a little more. (probably around 500ish if i had to guess). That car was a blast, but also scary. Something else to note, I love the Ford 427 heads. Look how easy it is to get to the spark plugs and exhaust flanges. Ridiculous. The intake manifolds were also extremely easy to remove / install. We actually owned (may still I'll have to check) one of those rare dual 4 barrel carb intake manifolds although I don't remember if it was factory or not.
Don’t know if I missed whether or not it was points ignition or electronic. But if not electronic, I’d like to see it tested with it. And new plugs, wires, single plane intake, and some different carburetors to see what it’s potential.
Nick, yes, brake cleaner and a few other liquids can be used as a temporary fuel, but consider trying propane. It works without worry of oil washing off the cylinders.
My brothers and I ran 427 Sideoilers in inboard racing runabouts. We used Medium Riser, High Riser, and Tunnel Port heads. (between 7000 and 7200 RPMs) Back in the day, we were getting 514 hp with a single mechanical secondary NASCAR Legal-4150 (830 CFM)
So we can infer from the carb rusting and non working accel pump, that there was water in the carb which froze outside and now it’s in a warm shop it’s now thawed and working.
427 Ford was made for one reason racing. 7000 to 7500 rpm was common for them, would have liked to see you take it to 6500 and see what it made! Thanks for the video
That looks like a big honking engine boy!!! Wide too! Reckon it's up higher for the oil pan. Sounds like a squad of helicopters one second and then the next it sounds like a flat head ford. Sounds healthy for sure, little bit of a cam lope and sings like a sewing machine during the pull too. Sounds good to go. Nick you're to funny!!! You know you wanted to see that engine put out it's best numbers, I could tell you wanted to start fiddling with the timing,tune it up with new plugs and wires and stuff and rev it up a bit higher if you had your own way with it!! Lol!!! I would've loved for you to have done that and seen the results too!!! But alas, unless whoever buys it comes back to your shop for some work on it, I guess we'll never know. Thanks again Nick!!!
👍Good stuff from the Master! I’m sure Nick has forgotten way more than I could’ve ever known! *Seems like ALL engine blocks would have screw-in type core plugs. Thanks (Sirs) Nick & George for the videos. You guys are ALWAYS awesome!
That motor gurgles at idle, oozing power. I close my eyes and imagine the sound in a sleek craft waiting at the dock for you to take it out on the lake and open the throttle up. I feel it could take anything you threw at it.
Thanks Nick! Good to see rare engines like this one. I appreciate all the manufacturers engines, performance or otherwise. 400hp@ 5k indicates this one should have more to offer if pushed closer to 6k rpm!😮
That is the reason Ford build the side oiler to have more oil at the main and rod bearings as NASCAR teams used to rev this engine up to 7k rpm. It has more to offer for sure. But you don't want to blow it up on the Dyno either. Better play save here.
Gooood evening, guys!!!!! So the 427 put up some good numbers: it would’ve been interesting to see what would’ve happened with a couple more degrees of timing. This should make a decent street/strip engine for an early mustang or (mercury) comet, or another galaxy. Great week, everybody !!!!
I don't know if anyone else cane hear it, but the old FE engines had a particular sound which I love. I worked on them quite a bit in the 60s, and wish I was not too old to tinker with them again. We had a lot of fun in those days!
FORD FE engies are well designed & have a terrific history. My Grandpappy loved the 352 police interceptor versions & installed many of those engines in his Ford cars.
Great episode Nick!!! This engine did well on the Dyno... It is good that You had a chance to test it !!! The car that it was in, was also very nice... I'm wondering what the significance is of the 'R/H side main oil passage location' is on this design... I've heard of this design as being one that was specifically intended for closed course racing.... Cars that were designed to handle a lot of lateral acceleration... I'm thinking the correct engine in that car will help it sell to enthusuasts who want close to OEM equipment in their vehicles... The 'side-oiler' engine should be of interest to people who have a genuine racing vehicle from that era (early to mid 1960's).... Keep these episodes coming !!! They are awesome !!!
Love the FOMOCO on the dyno-MORE PLEASE! Someone is going to end up with a jewel with this fine engine, my moms favorite power, and her sons from single digit age through 13. When she could no longer order one with her new Ford she just switched to Lincoln.
Engine Dyno Testing. It's the best! Test and tune when the customer's carburetor is fixed and powering the engine! Then the whole assembly is dialed in and ready to go!
In the early 80’s my buddy put a 427 SO in his grandfather’s 67 Ford F100. Talk about a sleeper! He ruled Colfax Ave.!!
In 1964 my girlfriend and I double dated in the backseat of a 1964 427, 425hp, 4 spd Galaxy. The sound and feeling sitting in the backseat was incredible as he banged off the gears.
Not the best choice of verbs!
@waynelowe4478 best choice of words......😊
Keep your mind right.....hehe.
A 427 FE is my favorite non Mopar engine, it was used so successfully in NASCAR, sports racing and drag racing, lots of chequered flags in its history.
Yep, right up until the crybabies had them outlawed in snatchcar!
@@Blown460 I believe you are referencing the 427 SOHC, not the FE. The FE was never banned.
Definitely! Love those Fords 🇺🇸💪
Don't forget it won LeMans.
Won LeMans twice.
In 1968 my friend in Rock Island, Il. put a 427 Side Oiler in his 1967 Mustang. At the time I was 19 y/o and though I loved fast cars I didn't realize what a rare engine he had. His engine had two four barrel carbs with a four speed. We never knew how much hp the engine turned out, but racing on the streets of Davenport, Iowa (across the river) he was never beaten. Corvettes, Roadrunners, and Chevelle SS never came within a full car length. The Mustang weighed about 3200 lbs. The cars owner was Lyle Whitney. He passed away about two years ago.
Did he still have that car?
@@willthetrill4849 He divorced, moved from Rock Island to North Carolina and I lost contact with him for a few years, by the time I learned of his death, the whereabouts of that engine is unknown. I can verify that that engine had a lifetime of hard use and probably was NOT worth anything by the time of his death, no matter who owned it.
@@willthetrill4849 .... I guess.
A bunch of us had Mustangs back in the mid 70's. My brother had a 69 with a 351 Windsor (he put a 4.56 rear end in it, I think), and beat a guy that had a 440 six pack, I had a 428 Cobra Jet, a friend had a 65 with a 289 and fiberglass tilt hood, one of us had a 67/68 Shelby, and another bought a 67', but not sure of the size, although I'm sure it had a big motor. He put on these wild cross over headers on it. Great memories. Edit: I forgot to mention, most of us were living in Moline, IL.
@@stevegabbert9626i was going to college in 67 and a good friend bought a 66 mustang with a 289 hi po...
he chucked the motor [ blew it sky high ] racing on a street south of Rochelle Illinois'...the good ole days !!
Ford 427 is the Standard for NASCAR. Nothing beats the Wood Bros, Cale Yarborough, Holman Moody.
The Chrysler hemi's were so dominant Nascar had to ban them for a year to give the Fords a chance.
@@mitchburk5112 The 427 cammer Ford was completely banned from Nascar due to Chrysler and GM crying.
@@jarepair7429Yeah, but it was never a production engine available to the public
@@mitchburk5112 Yes it was. It could be ordered from your local Ford dealer with a part number. Besides this just adds more fuel to the fire to the Crysler babies. Game over for the hemi crowd. Sorry dude but sometimes the truth hurts. The hemi is a beast of an engine and I wish I owned one since I'm a Dodge guy. My closest thing is a 69 Dart with a 440.
It was banned because Ford broke the rule that said no overhead cam engines allowed in NASCAR.@@jarepair7429
Ah, the 427 FE. A beast. And a high revver!
That old FE sounds glorious.
FE 427 S/O is God tier engine. My father has one in his 66' fairlane. I have loved that car since childhood, when my father would say "wave bye bye" my younger brother and i would start waving at whoever thought they had a chance next to him 😂😂 truly those are some of my favorite memories. I'm in my fifties now and still get goosebumps riding and or driving it.
Pops would twist his till around 7400rpm so I think this motor has way more to give at the top as well. Whoever gets that motor I hope they get the original heads and intake.
Love the sound of those big blocks , there's no replacement for displacement ! 😀
No substitute for Cubic Inches !!! Fully agree with you Sparky !!!
They sound like a race car because from what I heard they have the NASCAR firing order which is not typical. My friend told me this when he worked at Roush and the sound of the engines on the dyno sounded like my Torino that we used to race. He said that was the reason they sound like that. They have a scream that is different than a typical engine.
Incredibly the FE's are not classified as big blocks by Ford. They are considered a Mid or medium block.
I love the 427 FEs. They're hugely significant in the realm of muscle cars and racing, and it blows my mind how little aftermarket support they have. They were dominant in NASCAR, they helped Ken Miles and Dan Gurney break the Le Mans lap record 4 times, for a while they were the only non hemi engine permitted to run in the SS/AH class. Great engines that get no love, and it's b.s.
427 Fe Thunderbolt holds the current SS/A record at 8.4 ! Ray Paquet has more wins in that class than anyone, A/S and B/S been dominated by 427 Fe too amazing engine
@@CoyoteFTW Ray has an amazing car, and really shows how good the FEs are. The current SS/AH record is 8.22, so he's knocking on the door of the BO29 and LO23 cars.
Limited production always hurts the aftermarket.
@@christophersine84 he really is him Paul Adams have been setting the resetting record in ss/b ss/a for a very long time now.
The lack of aftermarket was due to its early demise in factory cars and also Ford’s own factory support. Their performance catalog from the early 70’s listed several factory heads,manifolds,cams & pistons etc. Newer big smog V-8’s were easier/cheaper to come by and had little factory support, so it made more sense for companies to focus there.
I've been waiting for an FE on the dyno. Great to see Nick. That 427 sounds sweet.
I've seen 7000 rpm several times in my friends Fairlane. That motor aint' happy till it gets to 6500-6800 rpm.
Absolutely!! Those motors start to sing at 6000 !! When Nick was doing the last pull that motor was just starting to get happy !
@@walkitoffarizona887 they can absolutely turn high rpm like that but being a very rare very expensive engine you really want to make sure it is completely built to handle that kind of rpm before you just start hoping it holds together, all it takes is valve float or a improperly balanced rotating assembly and boom!
What a BEAST!!!! ...just listen to this thing,!!!
Right!
Man that engine sounds healthy!
It sounds strong! I'm a Mopar guy but much respect for this jewel.
Those were the Day's. As a young man watching all those guys racing and Cruising was so cool. Thank you Nick.
Hello Nick and George!!! Love Dyno Monday !!! And a Big Block 427 Ford !!!!! Beautiful sounding 427 ! Had a nice deep roar to it !!! I love the colors on the Ford car it came out of it too ...they don't make body style or interiors like that anymore !!! OLD SCHOOL MUSCLE AT NICK'S GARAGE!!!!
Glad you enjoyed it Sgt!
@@NicksGarageAlways do George!!!! Yall be good !!!
we been DRAG RACING with the FE engine 80s t bird with a very mild FE 390 and a 66 fairlane with a FE stroker love this engine
My high school car was a 67 Fairlane GT/A. I bought it for $150 with a thrown rod and slashed tires in 79. It was slick,, drivers seat was a little ratty but covers fixed that. I bought a junker 390 engine to get it going and later built a performance 390 for it. Sure had a lot of fun with it. Won a lot of street races and lost a few too. Sold it after I got married because it didn't fit the "plan". Still regretting that move. lol
This was a real unusual engine because they had three versions. The single overhead cam, the side oiler, and the conventional block. It's the engine that won Le Mans twice
IIRC in the GT 40 they didn't use the highest horsepower version - it had a single four barrel.
carburetor as I recall.
What I love about these old engines versus the high-tech engines of today.
You pull up to a red light in a 426 hemi or 427 Ford and everybody around you knew that you had a high-performance car. And these days the high-performance engines are so quiet and with camshafts that change performance with RPM even the idle sounds like a Volkswagen
Very cool to see such a rare engine performing on the dyno . 402 hp is not bad at all ...but with a complete rebuild and not to crazy, so you could really get some more hp .. but I wouldn't want to damage that rare engine . Always great to be a Nick's Garage!!!!!!! Take care everyone!!!
That 427 would have had the factory Lemans rods in it. They were rated by Ford for up to 7500 rpm. Nick was running it VERY conservative. Would it have made more than 402hp? Probably, but would likely have run out of camshaft long before there was any danger of engine damage
@@FiteTheGoodFightHey ,thankyou for your thoughts on this. I agree with you on that . Hope yall are well Best Regards...
@@FiteTheGoodFightyou're right but I do think it was costing it some power by not revving it high enough.
@@midnight347 agreed. Even if it only had the factory cam in it, he should have reved it to at least 6k. Factory cam peaks around 6000 to 6200.
As a Ford Guy I loved watching this monster on the dyno!! When Nick asked, "You guys wanna see another test?!", I can't believe I actually yelled, "YEAH!!" at the screen!! 🤣🤣👍
I heard you. LOL.
There were 2 versions of the 427-4V in full size Fords. The hyd cam version made 390HP, and the solid lifter version made 410HP...
Don't forget the 427 in the thunderbolt.. factory produced 600 HP.. some say no Ford and dyno proof claims yes
When I was in school in the 60s, there was a guy that had a 63 1/2 XL fastback with a 427 2-4bbl, 4 spd, black with a red interior. That was beautiful car and I was a bowtie kid because dad worked for a Chevy dealer. I bet it was a bear to keep tuned up with a medium thermostat and leaded gasoline.
My favorite car and my favorite stock engine. No they weren't that hard to keep tuned, but I did mostly run the single 4bbl-never missed that 15-20 hp unless I was headed to the strip, or someone came to town to run and I wasn't certain what they had.
@@Ray56z My favorite was the W block 409 with 2-4 bbl. There was a guy that ordered a 63 Impala SS with that engine. It was maroon with a black interior. I still remember it 60 years later.
@@charleshaggard4341 Wasn't a chevy fan but I did appreciate my Aunts factory ordered '62 Impala 409 2-4bbl, 4 speed.
She actually had a single 4bbl to begin with but they forgot to put the oil in on it's first service and ruined it. Dealer had a twin 4bbl someone had failed to pay for yet, so to keep her and my pickup and truck buying Uncle happy it went in her car. Doubt that thing even spun a tire halfway around on gravel, let alone pavement. She died in 2006 and it still had the "diamond plate' plastic seat covers on it.
A Pontiac Chevy kid myself.....owned three Fords over the years but always had bad luck with them. Loved them when they ran, hated them when they didn't. I suppose it's the same w/Ford favorite fans occasionally owning GM's.
@@charleshaggard4341 I had that engine in a '57 Chevy with a Muncie out of a GTO. It was fast and thirsty. Could burn rubber all the way through second gear. I got 7 mpg cruise'n and street racing on 37 cents high test.
Nice to see it run on the dyno...a rare treat...good content Nick...thanks
Thanks. We enjoyed it too.
Agreed my friend !!!
I bet it would have made 410 or more if you had the vacuum to the PVC or use the pan vac system hooked up keep up the good work Nick
I love your organized shop and work ethic Nick! Who wouldn't want to work for you? I would have loved to see you tune it up and tweak it for more HP! Still better than any TV show! Who needs cable TV? Thanks Nick!
Thank you. And thanks for watching.
@@nickpanaritis4122so glad I ran across your channel! Got recommendations from a guy commenting on a vanishing point documentary
Interesting how different manufacturers engines have their own sound. To my old ears that sounds like a Ford. Don’t ask me to explain. Good numbers from that engine. Nick, your Dyno carb is a reliable piece for sure. Love Francis’ Galaxie. Have a great week all.
Interesting!
Fords always sound the best, the FE is the best sounding engine of all time IMO
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It may have something to do with the firing order compared to a dodge and chevy engine's
I thought the very same when I heard it start. And my ears are "aged" as well.
@David-yy7lb funny thing is that the Ford firing order, if you transpose it to the GMs or Mopars, is virtually the same. The cylinder numbering is different with the Fords and the same with the GMs and Mopars.
Thank you! It was nice to see this engine on the dyno!
You always know what you're getting when it has been in Nicks hands. The client should have no problem selling that rare beast with this dyno footage to back up the talk.
It's great how you predominantly do Mopar, but don't mind showing some of the other Muscle cars as well, thanks for sharing, all the best to you and your loved ones
The only hydraulic lifter 427 was in the 1968 Cougars..... rated at 390 HP. It used the 428CJ/ 390 S code cam. All other 427's had solid lifters. There's no telling what cam/lifter setup that engine has. Still, 400HP is a respectable figure.
The rare beauty GT-E.
Makes sense as this 427 has a smooth idle you would not get with the hotter solid lifter cam?
That's interesting, I didn't know 427s we're still being installed in 68. I always thought the 428s had taken over by then
I have a Frankenstein 428 CJ with 427 Heads and intake with automatic transmission, The only one I ever seen but heard of over the years
That engine wasn't even breathing hard at 5400 RPM. LoL... But I definitely understand Nick not wanting to push it too hard.
Engine sounds good I'm sure with a bit of work you can get well over 425 hp needs at least 6000 rpm
Love that 427
The 427 sounds strong. Much like the 440 Mopar, it has its own sound. Always love hearing Big Block Horse Power on the Dyno!! Thanks Nick and George.
Thanks for the Ford Attention
30 or so years ago I built a 427 top-oiler for a project. It was a reverse-rotation marine engine, and I learned a lot about these FEs. To reuse the crank I had to have it machined to remove the oil slingers so it wouldn't squirt out the rear main seal. Also, all 427s had cross-bolted mains. The marine engine had a cast iron oil pan that easily weighed 40lbs and it had mismatched low-riser heads. I wish I had it today to do a proper build with Trick Flow alum heads; easy 600hp.
Best Sounding V8
Love your show, Nick!!!
Nice to see an FE on the dyno.
Based on the numbers and where HP drops off after peak, I’d say you’re right about it having a hydraulic cam.
That engine seems to be set up like the 1968 Cougar W code 427. (Single 4bbl with hydraulic lifters, CR - 10.9:1).
Factory rating for that engine was 390hp @ 5600 / 460lbs @ 3200.
Those Edelbrock heads and intake are a bottle neck. Put on a Trick Flow top end with a better cam and you will see 500 hp easy.
To be left to the new owner, as stated in the video, the engine is for sale.
Not to mention shorty style headers...
I had a tunnel port 427 Ford engine quite a few years ago, believe it or not, I bought it out of a wrecking yard, out of a street rod someone had junked, I bought it with the intention of putting it in a 63 shortbox stepside Ford pu, but the owner decided to keep the truck, so the engine sat for years in my dad’s barn. I never even got to hear it run, it ended up in Florida, I listed it, and a circle track race guy came up and bought it. I did have a 1962 Ford 2 door post car, with a 406 cu in, 405 hp, 4 speed, 4:11 rear, absolutely stripped car, no radio, rubber mats, bench seat, for a big car, it ran pretty good, I didn’t have it very long, but it was a nice ride.
There are more 427s than the 406s, the 406 was a strong engine they used it in NASCAR until the 427 was built
@@dinadaughtry8993 I liked mine, it pulled very hard, the max wedges of the day, unfortunately pulled harder, and were in lighter bodies. But I still loved that Ford, it had a sound that was pretty unique. 👍
Manny should have that engine . Definitely a rare and cool piece of Ford history.
Hi Nick & George, I'm anxious to see what numbers the 427 side oiler will put out on the dyno. Seeing this engine again reminds me of my uncles 427 side oiler in his 64 Galaxie 500XL. Here We Go!!
Sounds like all the men in your family had great taste in cars! ❤️
@@NicksGarage You are correct. Looking back it seemed like they were all trying to out do each other to see who had the fastest car, lol.
Would be interesting to see how the Edelbrocks compare to the factory high riser heads. We did one a while back, the customer was scammed on the block, where a shop had done a terrible job of installing sleeves in a block that was cracked across the deck and we deemed it junk. We ended up doing a 428 block/4.25 stroke with the 427 medium riser heads and side winder intake, reused his Lunati 425 HP solid cam, and we made well over 500 HP. We did have to do some work on the top of the cylinders to clear the valves of the 427 heads. A nice pump gas street combo in a 67 Fairlane with a top loader trans.
Need to get rid of that oil fill cap on the driverside valve cover and put a breather in its place. Don't know why so many people run these caps on Fords. 58-64 era FE engines had crankcase ventilation through a mesh screen oil fill cap out of the front of the intake manifold and exited via a road draft tube at the back of the manifold. The OEM valve covers had no provisions for crankcase ventilation/breathers/pcv. In 1965 the FE recieved valve covers with PCV and breather style oil fill caps. Crank case ventilation is a big deal not to ignore. Not Nicks fault, thats just how he recieved it from the owner.
Everyone sports s breather one side and PCV valve to vacuum 😂😂😂
Them headers cost fiddy pohknees
You enjoyed that as much as I did.
Thank you.
Thank you too!
Thanks Nick , you're the man. ❤ That Ford Big block FE sound. Take care. 🤘🏻🇨🇦🇺🇲
Right on!
Awesome engine! I love the cackle from the cam inside.
Thanks Dr. Panaritis for taking the time to explain what a side oiler engine is and how it works.
It would be very interesting to know what kind of numbers it would have produced with an electrical tune up, new plugs and wires, and of course letting Nick dial in the best timing.
I'm betting he could have gotten back to the 410 number from the factory specs.
I also appreciate how rare that engine is, and Nick's ability to stop, rather than risk damaging something that scarce. It's not like you can call the Auto Zone and order a short block like it was a Chevy 350.
Great video Nick!!!
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I don't use a break clean I take a hose and put it on the bowl vent and I use a gear oil bottle with gasoline then put it right down into the flow bowl works great.
A sweet treat for sure!
The 427 side oiler is as rare as it gets.
Always a pleasure tagging along Nick.
Great upload as always!!
We ran a 427 side oiler with the high riser heads changed the valves to stainless steel had a guy who was a holly wizard build us a killer holly carburator we ran it in a couple of our late model super stock cars in Michigan and Virginia we would wear out the blocks!! Awesome engine Awesome video thanks for showing this Nick. The side oiler Nascar motor came with steal crank and cross bolt Mains they were four bolt but two came in from the side of the block we turned ours at 6500 hundred all day long it dynoed out to 610 hp max.
Very Nice. 610 HP.
Thanks Nick. I'm a FoMoCo guy first, but have lots of respect for the 383 - 440 Mopar big block in all configurations, wedge, hemi, no matter. Big Block Chevys and Pontiacs too, I guess. As a person who lived and dreamt about cross bolted FE's all the way through the 80's and 90's, I guess I'm one of those Cliff Claven types when it comes to the muscle car era FoMoCo "Total Performance" engines. I machined at a performance engine shop that built 50 SBC's to every 1 of anything else, but every now and then we built and raced a few Mopars and all variants of Ford muscle era V8's back then. So, if Cliff was here right now, he would say that other than the ultra rare 68 427 side-oiler, no 427 blocks had lifter oiling for hydraulic lifters. The side-oiler was 65-68. The dual 4 barrel 425 hp versions were available in all years except the 68 427's. The single 4 barrel 410 hp version was available in all years of the 427 except 66. I still have complete original Ford shop manuals for the Ford Full Size Cars, including 427's, for 65 and 66, as my Dad had a Ford full size wagon with a 352 when I was little. The stock side oiler steel crank 427 was good to 6000 rpm easy.
This brings back memories! 1978 Wellington NZ late night drive of a 427 fuel injected cobrajet mustang! 135 mile an hour run north bound freeway! Imported ex American race car! Detuned for highway use. Love the sound of it.
Dana "60" Glass. This big FE sounds fantastic! And the power with no new tune up. New plugs/wires, cap/rotor could have meant a few more horsepower. Wish Manny was there to witness this on camera. If only someone had a 90 day Wonder aka. SOHC 427 for you to test. We can only wish. Great test.
Last video of galaxie i couldn't understand why would he take that rare 427 out and put the 390 in... glad you said this... great choice. Let's keep em original.❤
Been waiting for this since the car rolled out of the trailer
Oh what music! Eargasm!
Dennis Collins just sold one of these at Macum auction. Fully rebuilt and running on a running engine stand(that alone is $1,500). Sold for $8,000.
We had a Ford 427 medium riser Le Mans side oiler cross bolt main in our G/N boat
respectable mumbers considering the chicken soup you run as gas , try it with leaded 104 sunoco like it ran back in the day that will give you 5-10 hp with the timing bumped up
Only place where you are being schooled and entertained at the same time!
I'm not sure if you're more a mechanic or a teacher ???
That is a beautiful engine. I would
Love to have it in my ‘23 ford. It doesn’t belong in there but it would be a perfect power plant for it. Way better than the typical sbc…..
i know your a old school drag racer so 400 hp doesn't sound to impressive but that's more than 80 percent cars have, those big 8's sound cool great video waiting to see that strait six on the dyno should be interesting
400 from a stock-ish engine in the 60s was insane. Look at those torque numbers though, 400+ through the whole range. I don't have any experience with a side-oiler but my father and I did build a center-oiler together and it was at least this if not a little more. (probably around 500ish if i had to guess). That car was a blast, but also scary.
Something else to note, I love the Ford 427 heads. Look how easy it is to get to the spark plugs and exhaust flanges. Ridiculous. The intake manifolds were also extremely easy to remove / install. We actually owned (may still I'll have to check) one of those rare dual 4 barrel carb intake manifolds although I don't remember if it was factory or not.
“Intake manifolds are also extremely easy to remove/install”.
After you remove the valve covers, rocker shafts, pushrods & distributor.
Don’t know if I missed whether or not it was points ignition or electronic. But if not electronic, I’d like to see it tested with it. And new plugs, wires, single plane intake, and some different carburetors to see what it’s potential.
Nick, yes, brake cleaner and a few other liquids can be used as a temporary fuel, but consider trying propane. It works without worry of oil washing off the cylinders.
My brothers and I ran 427 Sideoilers in inboard racing runabouts. We used Medium Riser, High Riser, and Tunnel Port heads. (between 7000 and 7200 RPMs) Back in the day, we were getting 514 hp with a single mechanical secondary NASCAR Legal-4150 (830 CFM)
thats about right for a hyd version of the 427.they made 390hp in 68 when they went hyd on the camshaft.
So we can infer from the carb rusting and non working accel pump, that there was water in the carb which froze outside and now it’s in a warm shop it’s now thawed and working.
427 Ford was made for one reason racing. 7000 to 7500 rpm was common for them, would have liked to see you take it to 6500 and see what it made! Thanks for the video
It broke over at 5200...not sure why
@@mikerhodeback9636what broke over 5200? The 427? What are you smoking lol
One good backfire always takes out the Holley power valves! They (not Holley) make check valve kits to protect them...
As always Nick, thanks for opening your shop to us.
That looks like a big honking engine boy!!! Wide too! Reckon it's up higher for the oil pan.
Sounds like a squad of helicopters one second and then the next it sounds like a flat head ford. Sounds healthy for sure, little bit of a cam lope and sings like a sewing machine during the pull too. Sounds good to go.
Nick you're to funny!!!
You know you wanted to see that engine put out it's best numbers, I could tell you wanted to start fiddling with the timing,tune it up with new plugs and wires and stuff and rev it up a bit higher if you had your own way with it!!
Lol!!! I would've loved for you to have done that and seen the results too!!!
But alas, unless whoever buys it comes back to your shop for some work on it, I guess we'll never know. Thanks again Nick!!!
👍Good stuff from the Master!
I’m sure Nick has forgotten way more than I could’ve ever known! *Seems like ALL engine blocks would have screw-in type core plugs. Thanks (Sirs) Nick & George for the videos. You guys are ALWAYS awesome!
Awesome run I have never seen a engine like that one it's a good hard runner keep them coming and see you Monday
That motor gurgles at idle, oozing power. I close my eyes and imagine the sound in a sleek craft waiting at the dock for you to take it out on the lake and open the throttle up. I feel it could take anything you threw at it.
Thanks Nick!
Good to see rare engines like this one. I appreciate all the manufacturers engines, performance or otherwise.
400hp@ 5k indicates this one should have more to offer if pushed closer to 6k rpm!😮
Glad you enjoyed it
That is the reason Ford build the side oiler to have more oil at the main and rod bearings as NASCAR teams used to rev this engine up to 7k rpm. It has more to offer for sure. But you don't want to blow it up on the Dyno either. Better play save here.
That sounds like one tough motor! Thanks Nick
The fe 427 side oiler is only one step away from the beast The fe 427 side oiler hemi cammer !
I like Mopar but that 427 is probably the best motor in my opinion ever.... Always the most horsepower hour
connect that side oiler and gt your 410 .. it floats the bearings much better at higher RPMS with cooler oil
I run a 427 2x4 ‘s solid roller cam in my 1965 Comet, great fun! Love these old FE’s
There is no denying it, side oilers are Awsome…!!!👍🏻
Gooood evening, guys!!!!! So the 427 put up some good numbers: it would’ve been interesting to see what would’ve happened with a couple more degrees of timing. This should make a decent street/strip engine for an early mustang or (mercury) comet, or another galaxy. Great week, everybody !!!!
Beautiful '64 Galaxie!
I've never been a Ford guy, but I can still appreciate a rare big block.
never been a ford guy, you hav,nt lived, except at the speed shop..we dont need it...if you a 350 is good, i pray for you...
look up. XY GT HO . 160 mph, std. 1971. speed was doctored for the paper to 140... so kids wouldnt run out & buy one. 4v 351c.. best engine ever..
That was a awesome video Nick. That engine sounds so great.
I don't know if anyone else cane hear it, but the old FE engines had a particular sound which I love. I worked on them quite a bit in the 60s, and wish I was not too old to tinker with them again. We had a lot of fun in those days!
I think it';s the 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8 unmistakable sound.
Here We Go!
FORD FE engies are well designed & have a terrific history. My Grandpappy loved the 352 police interceptor versions & installed many of those engines in his Ford cars.
Here we go, great job.
Thanks for the visit.
Some special tweaking on that engine and adjustments in this engine could scare the hell out of you... Major power
Dr. Nick, when we 1st saw this awesome machine it was so cold outside of the shop that day , nice to be in the comfortable dyno room, cheers.
I know those things can scream. One of the best Ford motors. And im a Pontiac/Mopar guy.
Thanks, Nick. It is very nice seeing a classic performance engine put to the test.
Great episode Nick!!! This engine did well on the Dyno... It is good that You had a chance to test it !!! The car that it was in, was also very nice...
I'm wondering what the significance is of the 'R/H side main oil passage location' is on this design... I've heard of this design as being one that was specifically intended for closed course racing.... Cars that were designed to handle a lot of lateral acceleration... I'm thinking the correct engine in that car will help it sell to enthusuasts who want close to OEM equipment in their vehicles... The 'side-oiler' engine should be of interest to people who have a genuine racing vehicle from that era (early to mid 1960's).... Keep these episodes coming !!! They are awesome !!!
Love the FOMOCO on the dyno-MORE PLEASE!
Someone is going to end up with a jewel with this fine engine, my moms favorite power, and her sons from single digit age through 13. When she could no longer order one with her new Ford she just switched to Lincoln.
Very cool Nick. It's great to see these old Legends run.
Hey Nick, a little variety i see! Beautiful 427 Ford power!💪😎Love it.🦄😁✌️🌅🕊🦋🕊🙏✌️
That thing sounds mean!
Gotta love a big block.
For sure each manufacturers motors have a distinct sound don’t know how to explain but you know it when you hear it
A lot of it has to do with the firing orders how long was the boring stroke ratios
Engine Dyno Testing. It's the best! Test and tune when the customer's carburetor is fixed and powering the engine! Then the whole assembly is dialed in and ready to go!