Kohler XT Lawnmower Won't Start: Fix Auto Choke System
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- Опубліковано 9 тра 2015
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mower starts right up in one pull. In this video, I show the kohler lawnmower autochoke system and talk about how it works. This is a common part that needs replacement. Disclaimer:
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Did you ever figure out you had the choke linkage hooked up wrong?
Just wanted to say thx DW6, I think you just saved me a bunch of time. Love your channel
God bless you for sharing this tutorial .I know longer have to do a aerobic workout pulling on my starter rope on mine !Now she starts on the first pull !Your videos are exceptional !
Ordered the auto choke part and it worked!!! Thank you so much for posting this video.
Thank you very much for video. You just saved me from buying a new lawnmower. It turns out that there was a considerable amount of debris that managed to get caught up behind the carburetor housing and gunk up all the connections. A good cleaning and it seems to be working good as new. Thanks again.
Thanks for posting this! I replaced the auto choke and it started right up with one pull. I tried ordering using your amazon link so hoped that worked. God bless 🙏
thank you
as it happens -I am having this auto choke issue .---so appreciate your videos as they are priceless.
Perfect! Thanks tons! It was a bear to start so I was the only one in the family could start it. It took a lot more than 8 pulls, but I can pull all day long. I'd guess 15-20. I bought the new automatic choke and an air filter. People came to check me out when I was just tightening the last nut. I poured gasoline in it and it started on the first pull. It surprised me but I wasn't going to let on that I was surprised.
Thank DW6, repair shop offered to fix my mower for $120.00 or scrap it for me no charge then sell me a new mower for $369.00. Hahaha my auto chokes was stuck open seems to work when I released it so zero dollars today thanks to you sir!!
This saved me a lot of frustration thanks for the video! Pretty confusing little choke system, I didn't expect it to be so complicated.
I have a Craftsman Lawnmower with a Kohler 149cc engine. We bought it around 10 years ago from Sears and (bite my tongue) but we have never had a issue with it. It sits outside year round in our Canadian arctic and hot summer months getting snowed and rained on each year. I just change the oil at the start of every spring, check and clean the spark plug if needed. Put a new air filter on it and ( i converted the fuel filter to a external one) check the fuel filter and it is good to go for the season. The only other thing I changed was a fuel line because we had a pesty mouse that likes the taste of rubber and gas. We had to give him a burial ( thank god) because the high octane gas was to much for him. The key to making it last year after year is a little maintenance and some high quality high octane gas. I will be giving this one to my son and getting myself a self propelled lawn mower for all out unlevel yard and older age lol. I will buy another Kohler engine lawnmower again.
Excellent explanation, had it fixed in minute! Thank you
I convert all these that come into my shop to a manual choke cable. I have a video on youtube that shows you how to make a bracket to hold the new choke cable out of the bracket that is already on the choke. It only takes a few minutes to modify the bracket, then all you need is a cheap choke cable. I use a Stens throttle cable part number 290-106. It's very easy to do and you never have to deal with those crappy automatic chokes again.
link to video??
I think I saw it! Easy fix!
I have a lawnmower with a Powermore engine that has a similar problem. Thank you for the video!
Good information. I justed worked on one of these Kohler carb setups. Definitely different.
Thanks for going over this. I have a lawn boy with choke issue. I've already replaced the auto choke from the muffler but maybe it have went bad. Was running good last week
Great video, I’ll follow your instructions! Thanks!
You have placed the small one inch metal rod between the thermal choke control (coming from the muffler) and the control shaft on top of the carburetor in an incorrect position. It will fall off. Here is how to do it. Take the shaft out from both ends. Insert the shaft's side with the lesser bent down into the hole on the carburetor top control. Push it down. Then straighten it, bring the same end towards front of the engine, insert this end into the hole on the plastic part of shaft coming from the muffler, then place the assembly on the muffler and tighten the two ten mm bolts.
I noticed the same thing. You are correct though, the U-hook end needs to be fed through the choke shaft hole from underneath and flipped 180-degrees. Then inserted into the lever for the thermostatic choke.
I replaced my carbueurator and made the same mistake i took out and did as what u said and now its working perfectly!
I came to comment on that also.. good explanation and video though.. 👌
Excellent! Just inherited one of these. It runs fine and this is great info for future reference. These self propelled models get all clogged up with grass and dirt under the front belt housing and need to be kept clean too.
My goodness but that was worthwhile. On mine, the choke was open because - wait for it, it was so hot out that my mower, which had been sitting in the sun, thought the choke should be open. Thank you sir. I poured ice water, a lot of it, over the spring can and it closed the choke long enough for me to start it.
Great video, thanks! I got same engine, it would stall immediately after starting- the problem was with the diaphragm assembly- the spring inside somehow got skewed off center- it should be centered and seated in the small round recess inside the cover. The gaskets on both sides of the carburetor are a bit tricky to seal correctly- alternate tightening of the 10 mm nuts - thinking of rigging a better cover for carb and linkage because the one supplied is not good enough.
I had one of those that a buddy brought to my shop. I ripped the entire auto choke system off the motor and rigged up a manual choke cable to the butterfly. Starts on the first pull to the day. However, knowing now after watching your vid, I probably would have just ordered the new spring system! Thanks double wide!
Dave Horst It is an interesting thing. I started it with it closed and watched it run and waited to see if it would open, I was figuring the only way it would open was if it was a bimetal spring.
Thanks, I was replacing my carburetor when I came upon your video. I'd order a new carburetor offline, however, the auto choke linkage pin and the new linkage receptor on the carb didn't match up. Last thing I remember is you saying "It took me 8 pulls, but it started", I said "Well Hell, I don't mind that". So no linkage to auto choke, and still starts first pull. THANKS!
Good info Doublewide!!!!!!!!
Great video that's very helpful. Thank you!
Thank you. I wound the spring and that got it to stay in the closed postion
I've got one on my zturn... works great.
Good explanation. Oh how I miss the days of manual chokes & throttle cables.
Stay well, Joe Z
Holy shit that’s it...If I hit it with carb cleaner it will start and stay running but once I stop it’s done. Thanks man!!
Thank you so much for taking the time, excellent, clear and I appreciate the education. I like to help out fixing everything and anything. I have a mower with this system and never took the time to research it- your video is the 1st- probably all I need too. However, someone was tossing another mower with this system, used once, left outside all winter, and never started again. I figure carb cleaning all the usual, but I wanted to see whats to look out for with these auto-choke systems. Be well and thank you!
If you suspect your auto choke is not working take the air filter cover off, and put a heat gun on the cylinder part of the auto choke behind the muffler and see if the choke opens when you apply heat for a few minutes and let it cool for 5-10 minutes to see if the throttle plate closes a little.
CAUTION !! A propane touch would work faster , put the gas tank is very close by, plus gas in the carb bowl and other places.
So few videos cover things up close and personal. Thanks
Thank you. That was it! I rebuilt the carb and everything. Couldn’t figure it out.
Sorry that was a great video double wide it helped me
Thanks - food for thought video - Thanks
I just submitted you thanks for you vid have a good day sir
Mine was not starting well for a long time- I attributed it to use/maintenance. In a thorough cleanup though, I discovered one of the bronze pins/circlips that allow the flat slotted angle arm to slide and pivot had disappeared- fixed it, and now starts on the first pull. I would have done well to inspect the mower (and any mechanical device for missing parts at first issue) much earlier.
The auto choke arm is hooked on wrong Dw6 if you hit a bump it will lift off it has to be on it differently
Good luck . I can send a pic if so
Yep. The hook must be put in from the bottom of the hole and maneuvered until the plastic rests on the back of the hook. Then, the carb must be held out away from the mower far enough that one can put the z-shaped end of the hook straight into the hole in the auto-choke linkage.
Not only that, but if it is installed wrong it in effect makes it longer and doesn’t allow the choke to fully close, hence the hard starting problem.
I know this is an old post but could you send me a picture?
Thank you!
I started my engine and began mowing. Then I realized this patch in my yard was throwing debris in my face so I went to get my safety glasses. When I got back my mower engine would not start. The reason is the choke opened up but the engine was still a bit cold. I removed the thermostatic choke, placed it on the stove top and turned the power on low. I watched the lever actuate to prove it operated smoothly.
Not seen that system before. Thanks for sharing.
retrorestore Well when you do see one you will know what to do. You get your transit van done yet?
still working on it. weather permitting
I really hate the autochoke systems.. Removed the one off my briggs n stratton readystart becuz the fucker kept resetting itself.
Great info bud!
Alan Marshall Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the info. as my mower wt the same lousy Kohler XT engine requires 60+ pulls to start up once out of storage wt fresh gas in . It does that every years.
Every, single, damned, year….then it starts on the first pull thru the summer.
Serendipitous to find this video. I just got for free a mower about this age with the auto-choke that I can't get started. It has spark. Can't wait to try this video's cure to see if it'll do the trick.
And for what it's worth, why the hell do we have to put up with Rube Goldberg contraptions like the auto-choke when manual chokes are cheap, easy to use, and reliable?
It work thanks for help
Thank you for your Visio!!Can you tell me where can I buy the parts? Thanks
My issue wasn't that heat wire but how you showed the choke mechanism still helped me figure out the problem with mine and I was able to fix it without having to buy a thing. Thanks so much!
I'm having the same issue with the choke staying open after the lawn mower has sitting. The choke should obviously return to the closed position. I checked the spring by turning it and it Springs back really good so if it Springs back really good is that enough to know that it's okay or could there be something else wrong with the thermostat the heating element whatever may not be working causing the spring to not engage because it doesn't know when it's hot or cold? Or should I look into that other diaphragm looking thing to be the problem? I'm just not sure what to do I don't feel like spending 20 on a thermostat just to have the same exact problems still be happening
VERY (very) helpful video. Much appreciated
Hi bud so if there is tension on the smart choke does that mean the choke is bad cause my little arm is pointing down and the choke is open
I've been a subscriber for months but it has been months since I last viewed your videos . You just went off my radar ,, By subscribing the viewer doesn't benefit only the video producer benifits,, Not a complaint about you specifically but about how UA-cam system works
bob brawley If you are a subscriber you should be alerted everytime I make a video. Doublecheck you are a sub. DW6
good understanding here can't find heads or tails on this system tillnow :)
I have the identical mower, I have cleaned the carb, checked timing, checked valve lash, starts 1st pull but mists fuel out the carb when running, any thoughts?
When installing the new Spring do you preload it or just install it reason i asked mine dont shut the choke even with a new spring but i dont have that Bellows either
I had a same issue today, and I inspected the fuel system, it was clogged, pretty clean. Then I just tried to push the Auto Choke system when was starting the mower, it's working immediately.... So you guys can try the same way before disassembling the machine.
Thank you so much for making this video. I have this same mower, and it runs for two minutes and then turns off. I'm going to replace my spring in it like you said, but it usually starts in one or two pulls. Do you have any suggestions.??.
Once again, over engineered product. They take something simple and complicate it. Excellent vid d.w.6
john hightower I agree with you. And there is not an easy way to make it choke manual.
I'm under the assumption that the EPA funds a sole "engineer" to work on this choke system. Otherwise, I can't fathom why they ruin such a good motor by using this and the carb float needle that corrodes itself into the passage and intermittently drains the fuel tank through the air filter box.
@@tonyfremont interesting comment. Is it your opinion then that this is an otherwise good engine? The butterfly valve/choke issue see my s easier to deal with than the needle valve in the carburetor. What can be done there? Clean it out and replace repeatedly?
I had one of these someone gave me. Only 50% of the time it would start and then die. I finally moved the governor and kept spraying alcohol into the intake. Finally it took over running off of the gas.
I have a tiller with a similar engine, but a manual choke and I can’t seem to find the problem with it, it just won’t run, won’t even start up, good video tho
My 22" Recycler does not start after running it for an hour yesterday. Did the recommended checks even replacing the fuel. Had not used any fuel treatment so wondering if I should look into the carburetor. Is the bowl removable? Why are there 2 screws on it? Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I have given you thumbs up on all your vids viewed and subscribed as well. Keep up the super job you are doing!
My butterfly is closed and doesn't appear to have this same issue, but it still won't start. I replaced the air filter, spark plug, fuel filter, poured out old gas and replaced it with new gas with about 2 ounces of sea foam, and it now will start for about 2 seconds, then dies. If I immediately try to crank it again, it won't start. If I let it sit for about 5 mins, it will start again for about 2 seconds. I even tried pouring a little sea foam down through the butterfly (about a teaspoon). I also used carb cleaner spray through the butterfly as well. Nothing seems to help it stay running.
That damn auto choke might be my problem. thank you
Your air filter link is the same link for the complete lawnmower
Damn Dude........ You are the Shit!!! Don't know if you are still monitoring this site, but I hope you are. I have been out messing with this same mower for all afternoon into this evening and was just perplexed on this crazy auto choke and linkage system on this damn motor, and was basically at the point that I was looking to totally McGuiver something to just make it work when I came across your video and wala....... Dude..... Thanks a lot!!! Your wisdom is still paying off- Tim from Riverside, CA Thanks a bunch
no problem, hit subscribe. Thanks
The auto choke arm is hooked on wrong . The way you have it right now it's going to pop off.
That short steel bar isn't linked correctly on top of the plastic choke shaft. You have to snake it through further
That links a lil tricky to hook up. But doable. Seems he took the easy way out.
I have the exact same mower and engine and gas is getting into the air filter. Any ideas?
Does anyone know how to tell if the choke is the problem or the Diaphragm? After starting, my mower runs real rough for several minutes until it warms up then it's fine.
A very common problem with this engine is, the engine revving all the way and staying there.
I am having a problem with this on a customers mower and haven't figured it out yet.
Starts on the first pull, but goes wide open. I looked at the throttle, but just cant find.
If you can help, please answer.
Thanks
If I remember, I had to make sure the bar from the choke was on the right side of the lever. When putting it all back together, the arms that go back in the holes on the throttle lever where in the wrong hole.Check the holes on the choke too.
EPA doesn't trust us with a choke cable? LOL. Thanks man.
Jill Henry People flood their mowers because they don't know how to start them, so now they are idiot proof and cost twice as much and last half a long.
I know this is an old video but I also found that the rod running across the motor had gotten bent and wasn’t allowing the choke to work.
If you can help me with this, I'll be eternally grateful.
I have one of these, and I know the auto choke is fine. I know this because it's brand new. But my problem is that once the mower is on (it only takes one pull), it runs WAY too fast. No amount of adjustment on the governor arm changes a thing. Am I missing something? I'd say it's running at at least 5,000rpm.
StaticImage try bending the tab where the governor spring anchors ...bend it so the spring decreases in length...this will put less tension on the throttle butterfly and should lower the rpms
I made a hack where I took a zip tie and a small clamp to hold open the choke after I get it started. Otherwise, the choke will choke out the motor when it warms up. You can put a zip tie on the choke linkage and pull if forward to the open position and then it will keep running. It might sputter once in a while with the choke all the open, but it will keep on running and you can get your yard mowed. The automatic choke on this cheap mover was a curse. It's not worth the price of a new choke spring. assembly.
I've replaced my choke twice and Damn butterfly still will not stay closed!!
Any advise?
the round thing on the exhaust is 90 degree off. unbolt it and turn it around.
Hi, I replaced autochoke. Tension on spring always keeps choke full closed. Engine warms up nothing happens Vac diaphragm never moves. Could diaphragm be problem. I'm thinking of going manual choke. Not worth hassle.
yes convert it to a manual choke.. I did mine and it works better.
Went manual too. Works great. Choke cable is a little short. I'd like a lever with notches too to better hold position.
@grettagrids could you do a video on how you install manual choke pls
the problem i had was that plastic piece that is attached to the carberator and that steel rod broke..that plastic piece...now its either fully opened or fully closed the thing that opens and closes that butterfly thing..id hate to think i have to buy a whole new carberator for that small piece of plastic. i think i also disconnected that auto choke bar by accident ill look into it..teh mower itself works but you have to do the choke manually which is pretty much impossible to do and mow the lawn at the same time.
Carb for this mower is 12 smackers online. Better that than pay 50$ to have it checked out.
@@elcomandante9299 i already fixed it and sold it
You have the choke linkage placed incorrectly. It will fall off.
I have this exact lawnmower. It starts but dies after a few seconds. It won't stay running. What should I check?
Same problem with mine
I had an auto choke on my husky mower. I cannot stand it. Anyways it broke and now when it starts I put a stick in the lever and now no more problems. How is your son doing.?
obadiah7771 I'm not a fan of the autochoke on any mower. My son is having some problems with his legs right now due to all the chemo he takes daily. He is having trouble walking, but I have him playing soccer on a team. It is difficult to watch, and I'm hoping I'm doing the right thing. There are tons of problems associated with his treatment and I don't think unless you have been through it you would understand. Thanks for your concern.
Hi doublewide6! Thanks for taking time out of your schedule to reply to me! I have to say I enjoy all of your videos. They have helped me a great deal and gave me an excuse to get some new tools as well. You are 100% correct when you said I do not understand. You are right about that. My brother's wife is fighting cancer right now at the young age of 31. I remember him wanting to yell that out at some one. I let him yell it at me that I do not understand. I want to scream it at people when they look at my son with cerebral palsy as well. Honestly, I think trying to keep things as normal as you can is a great thing. Yes, it is hard to watch, but he is having fun playing sports. I will pray for your son, and for you and your wife. Take one day at a time, and remember you are helping us out here in internet land as well! Keep being and awesome dad, and a great repair man!
Where can I buy the paro? Thanks
Where can I buy the parts? Thanks
the little pin mechanism on exhaust should face the engine.
Is there a spark plug on this machine?
Sparkplug on this machine? What do u think causes the spark? I hope your being sarcastic.
Mine has always started on 1st pull then suddenly no start.
you do not have the linkage on the carburetor correctly.
The auto choke connecting rod to the carb is not connected properly in this video. It does not just drop in as you show it. Repairclinic.com has a video for replacing the 14853 49 carb the shows how it is supposed to connect to the hole in the choke rod end.
The Briggs 6.75 also has an auto choke system. It seems to keep the choke open by using airflow from the fan on the crankshaft/harmonic balancer to blow on a flapper. What happened to manual primer buttons and/or choke levers? Is that too complicated for women and metrosexual men?
Which one of the two are you?
I have this engine and its a pile of steaming dookie. Every 2-3 uses I have to take the carb apart & spray the fuel bowl clean. Today I was raking leaves & mowing the lawn for the last time of the seasons & 60% through the job my mower died and cleaning the carb didn't help. I'll check this autochoke thing, didn't know thats what it was, very interesting indeed. If its bad I'll probably buy a new B&S mower next year when they are on sale cuz I've had it with this pile of shit Kohler trash
Amen
They really messed up a good engine with that choke crap. Mine takes about 8 pulls every time to crank.
Thanks. I've got a brand new Kohler RH265 engine on a wood chipper/shredder and pardon me if I say this engine is junk. Mine was made in China, not in Wisconsin. Mine won't start. Brand new.
No more Kohlers for me.
You do not even have that choke linkage close
Epa compliant carbs and autochoke, two really dumb ideas. Epa- cause throwing away a three year old mower is better than having an adjustment screw. Auto-choke- because flipping a lever is hard.
Damn thing is driving me crazy .. Starts for less than 30 seconds, then dies .. doesn't start.. Wait 30 minutes.. same thing.. wait 30 min.. and away it goes .. NOT a good design in an Ariens Lawnmower .. Am considering taking it apart and installing a manual choke .. Gotta be cheaper than taking a chance on a $50.00 part (following your Amazon link).. Good video.. but boy , some days I'd rather throw a match on it..
Anything that has the word "auto" in front of it never lasts as long as the "manual" version. Now they are going to electronic control engines. Nothing more reliable than an electronic component on top of a hot engine.
Did you really send out that mower without trying to cold start it after you repaired it??
You do not even have that choke linkage close