Well Scares Your Problem | Episode 86: Winchester Mystery House
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2024
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ALICE'S PRONOUNS ARE BANSHEE/HEARSE
I like it
YES
Oh that's a good one
YEEEEEEESSSS
shi/ver
Broke: Queen Elisabeth II had a near-death experience
Woke: Prince Charles had a near-king experience
Bespoke: The Royals had a near-finally-being-dethroned experience
Charles III would beg to differ these days.
Charles III? lmao... u mean prince charles.
@@dzhang4459 Permanent Prince Charles, King of the Britons by proxy.
@@MrJohndoakes Pull the other one
The movie they're trying to come up with is "Paranormal Activity."
I was screaming. I can’t believe they couldn’t get it lol.
The found footage part is what clued me in. To be fair that is an incredibly common feature nowadays.
And it's not even a ghost it's a demon so it's even funnier 🤣
Funny, I thought it was "Poltergeist".
@@Allegheny500 no found footage in Poltergeist
Malice Skullwell Skellington is perfect and I will not hear otherwise.
She coulda stuck the landing with "Skelly" but she over extended
I love it.
@David Von Fakename youre the only person I've ever seen reference that show
* Malice Coldskull Skellington
this is a brilliant name... and to come up with it in the moment? Very impressive
Malice Skullwell-Skellington, drag Queen legend of the raveyard.
My mom's got a theory on the Winchester house: Sarah Winchester was just doing what one would do if they had a pile of money, wanted to support local contractors, and did not want to be invited to parties.
Also the number of rooms makes more* sense when you add in how maids and such would be expecting room and board
*still too many rooms
Tiny Safety Third:
I have a friend who's an electrical contractor. He was on the phone with one of his guys discussing an upcoming job. It was a super simple job: some folks they had done work for before wanted an outdoor light installed on their garage. Complication: the homeowner couldn't be home while the work was done.
So the choices they had were 1) the homeowner leaves the switch off and they have no way to test the work, or 2) the homeowner leaves the switch on which means that the work must be done by one of two guys in the company.
The voice on the phone asks why it has to be one of those two guys, and is told that it is because you must be a Certified Master Electrician to work on a circuit while it's live.
"Oh, ... so I guess I've been a Certified Master Electrician for a while now."
:)
Isn't a podcast about engineering disasters that were caused or exacerbated by the criminal negligence of our capitalist ruling class basically just a true crime podcast?
true crime for cool nerds
Yes.
Yes, and skyscrapers are evidence of other crimes
@@Alevuss92 skyscrapers are crimes
Many people say 9/11 was justified self defense. I’m not saying this, but a lot of really smart people are talking. Many such cases.
@@trevorcorey7910 sir, this is a wendy’s…
14:00 I honestly expected the opening question to be "What is house" after longstanding show tradition.
I like how by the time they reach the death of the crazy heiress, and they are trying to narrow down which olde timey ailment claimed her one person volunteered "miasma" meaning a small but lingering possibility that it was death by Sesshomaru.
@@GretchenDawntreader I think they said measmus or whatever was the reason for the death of the daughter
More specifically, the Volcanic guns failed because their ammunition was weak in the dumbest, coolest way.
Instead of a cartridge with gunpowder attached to the projectile, they hollowed put the back of the bullet and filled _that_ with gunpowder.
They called it the “rocket ball”.
Each projectile was like a self contained cartridge, so you didn’t have to eject anything and you could fit a lot of ammo in the gun.
The problem is, just how much gunpowder can you fit inside the hollowed out back of a small, pointed bullet?
They were anemic in power.
Maybe apocryphal, but story goes a man bought a volcanic pistol to commit suicide with.
His family found him in a chair in the attic, alive, with the side of his head badly bruised.
He’d shot himself _over_ and _over_ in the head, but the bullets just couldn’t penetrate. He eventually gave up or passed out.
Let's be fair - paper and bras cartridges were still a thing of the future when Volcanic Repeating Arms showed up.
But why, in Seven Hells, nobody checked whether bullets fired from that gun could pierce horse skull or how many pine boards they could flown through is beside me.
@@PobortzaPl respectfully, while rocketball was amongst the first in America, there *were* a few earlier and/or contemporary metallic cartridges.
E.g. The pinfire was invented in 1836.
Paper cartridges go back centuries
…
But, more importantly, that’s not the point.
I don’t fault them for not immediately inventing centerfire brass.
I was just telling the story of what happened.
If I _was_ going to fault them, it would be for somehow seeming to not know that a couple of powder grains wasn’t enough.
Even if you go back to the method of pouring loose powder from a horn, the point is that the rocket ball holds a tiny amount of powder in comparison to a normal charge.
To their credit, they learned from the failure (after going out of business etc), developing the rimfire for later lever-actions.
@@joearnold6881 IIRC they have fallen victim to "fulminate enthusiasm"
BUT STILL
why they didn't check hoe effective their ammunition was I don't understand.
In a way Volcanic is G11 of 19th century - they wanted their ammo to be fully self contained but they definitely didn't have technology for it.
@@PobortzaPl yeah, who knows.
I mean, a lot of the earliest automatic pistols as they were being invented at the end of the 1800s had some pretty weak cartridges, but nothing to the extent of the rocket ball.
Sometimes people just don’t do the sensible thing, don’t see the flaws in their invention etc.
Obligatory Forgotten Weapons' videos on the rocketball ammunition and the firearms for them:
Rocketball ua-cam.com/video/l7J5IvMCrnw/v-deo.html
Volcanic pistol ua-cam.com/video/RZBHTOYHY6Y/v-deo.html
Scoped Volcanic ua-cam.com/video/X1nErlM62lc/v-deo.html
Intelligence is knowing that Frankenstein is the doctor. Wisdom is knowing that the doctor is the real monster.
I mean, Frankenstein’s Monster did strangle and dismember a whooooooole lot of innocent people.
Like, I get that he’s also a victim, but it’s more nuanced than that.
Frankenstein is actually the docter. I, the pedant correcting you on this insignificant point, am the real monster.
Being a huge fan of Mary Shelley is knowing that Victor dropped out of college as an undergrad
@@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick technically the monster was also a bunch of innocent people
@@boydsinclair7606 Heh.
Also, "containment finally fails and the entire world is haunted by the ghosts of the gun dead" would make a damn interesting urban fantasy RPG campaign...
the gundead have risen
That's an SCP in the making.
Not quite to that scale, but the West of Loathing DLC Reckoning at Gun Manor was a wonderful spoof turn-based RPG take on the Winchester House story, exploring the old homestead of Mrs Gun (guess what invention she made her fortune from)
Backstory for Enter the Gungeon.
Isn't that pretty much the plot of the Telltale _Ghostbusters_ game?
Paranormal Activity's the movie Roz was thinking about.
Beat me to it
God dammit
And the house wasn't haunted. The protagonist waaaaassss *spooky voice*
And it wasn't a ghost so much as a demon
@@phathumdeep Did it make people ghost fart?
Woah wait. How did I live in Sunnyvale and never know about this thing? I feel lied to. It's a ghost conspiracy.
When I was 10 years old, my grandfather gave me a .22 bolt action long rifle, and said: this is yours now, here are the bullets. Use the subsonic ammo in the backyard, so you don't piss off the neighbours too much. That was the only safety advice I ever got. i never shot a living thing.
That was you passing your grandfather's intelligence test. He judged you worthy.
Watching this a year later, and the queen ain't so walking now.
As a Liam, I can confirm that I have heard all kinds of mispronunciations of my name.
Ireland demands that apology.
Edit: And we want our six counties back.
As a Kieran I concur
The Deirdres, Aoifes, Niamhs and Siobháns of this world sigh and wish that our names were not butchered.
Went on a school exchange trip to Brussels with 2 Aoifes (in a group of 6 students). They both used 'Eva' for most of the trip, while I went with my usual 'Dee' option.
Most Irish boys names are relatively easy (although Naoise is one that catches people out).
@@deetoher missed a chance for Irish citizenship by turning down a Niamh many years ago
Instead I married one with Egyptian citizenship with has decidedly less cache.
lyam
lyam
Okay, "Column".
The movie is paranormal activity, I used to live like 15 mins from the house where it was filmed
Also, in that movie it wasn't a ghost, but a demon, right?
Oh yeah! With the chicken footprints in the powder and the incredibly important pool cleaning robot! Man I need to rewatch that movie…
"A spectre is haunting leftist podcasts... the spectre of ghosts." - Spooky Marx
The specter of that movie about the... uh... you know the ghosts that do the haunting. No. The other one.
in thailand, we just...build little houses for the spirits to live in and it's usually fine. Just leave offerings at least weekly...keep 'em happy.
She was one the right track when she decided to build a house! But uh...she took a wrong turn on the assigned purpose.
Cheers to the WTYP crew for brightening up my miserable Wednesday with their spooky antics
It's Wednesday, my dudes. -podcast noises
I hope you feel better
@@frank6842 Thanks friend! Much better now that my three hours of meetings are over and I can finish the rest of this fine podcast
Well, have a 🍺 and 🍕on me! Cheers, it’s over now!
I swear to god, these are the voices I'll hear when I die pouring water on a live electrical outlet or whatever avenue my boss decides to execute me through. The only thing that's missing is Joe making me sad about some kind of genocide.
*Shake hands with Danger*
Why was it not called "The Goddamn Boos!"?
it's been said that the closest you can feel to being a ghost is listening to a podcast where the hosts just fucken struggle with something you already know and you're screaming it at them.
Sometimes happens to me when law comes up on this podcast
The difference between "crazy" and "eccentric" is how much money you have.
"never log on" has been my mentality vis-a-vis posting since starting college (in which i am currently a sophomore) and boy i feel fine about it!
it's adequate!
Don't you need to log on in order to leave a comment here?
Being 4'11 I loved the mystery house; it's like everything was built for me!
The Alec Baldwin situation reminds me of the Hitman mission in the opera house where you can load the prop gun and have the actor do your dirty work. COINCIDENCE? probably, but...MAYBE NOT?!
a gamer's on the loose
Does the actor shoot a Ukrainian woman? If so, play that "Twilight Zone" fright music.
The Hitman: Blood Money opera house mission is a very highbrow and very meta joke. The opera they are rehearsing is Puccini's Tosca. The final act of Tosca features a convoluted plot involving a faked execution by firing squad that goes awry when the villain betrays the heroine and gives the firing squad real bullets instead of blanks so her lover is killed. The assassination opportunity therefore mirrors the opera's plot. One of the game devs was clearly an opera fan. The idea that blanks and real ammo can get mixed up has been around for well over a hundred years, as Tosca was first performed in the year 1900.
"What if you have to pay rent in the afterlive"
Pulling out the Ouija board to teach the ghosts about Maoism.
Well There's Your Podcast, a podcast about podcasts, more specifically about problems with podcasts
It has slides.
Past tense pronouns are truly the spookiest of all, Jake is a real pronoun connoisseur
He was
Verbs have tenses, not nouns/pronouns
Also, the Winchester movie was basically "Do not blame gun manufacturers for the deaths their products cause"
Ruin has come to our podcast.
You remember her venerable house, opulent and imperial, gazing proudly from the Santa Clara valley. She Iived the last of her years in that ancient, rumor shadowed manor, fattened by decadence and luxury - and yet she began to tire of the guilt of her fortune. Singular, unsettling tales suggested the mansion itself served as a gateway to some rainbow coalition of specter and apparition. With relic and ritual she bent every effort towards the construction and convolution of those long haunted halls, exhausting what remained of her family fortune on swarthy workmen and sturdy hammers.
At last in the deepest trenches of UA-cam beneath the lowest foundations we unearthed that damnable sonic portal of antediluvian evil. Our every listen unsettled those of weak constitution but we were in a realm of death and madness. In the end I listened alone laughing and wailing through those blackened senses of humor until consciousness failed me.
You remember her venerable house, opulent and imperial. It is a festering abomination! I beg you. Return home; listen to this podcast, and deliver our family from the ravenous, clutching shadows of the Winchester Mansion.
Got to 'antediluvian' and knew for sure it was probably Lovecraft
@@speshulgurlee Close. It's from Darkest Dungeon. A heavily Lovecraft-inspired game.
Ceausescu's mansion if he lived in the mid XIXth century
Well there's your continuity
something to note in hollywood parlance a live round is any with a charge and with a primer so in hollywood blanks are Live rounds
Thank you for corroborating my "the queen is a hologram for Britain to maintain _any_ sort of relevance" theory.
I never thought about it but Winchester mystery house is based as hell. The eternal prison of Confederate ghosts.
Quick note - this house is in San Jose not San Diego (at 27:11). You may want to update descriptions to clarify that - especially in the audio only version where you can't see "San Jose" on the slides.
Shit, I think I burned down the wrong house.
Yeah, they'll stir up that norcal socal rivalry.
@@criticalevent Don't worry, it's fixable. Just go to the correct one :)
I was expecting them to say it was in Lemon Grove or Chula Vista, and got confused when the slides kept saying "San Jose"
@@creampop8553 having lived for a while in San Diego, and done almost all the tourist stuff while there, I was very confused while listening to the podcast version as it wasn't on my list of things to see.
I typically listen to the podcast version and then identify what parts I need to see slides for and watch those bits. It means I can have it on in the background. Therefore I didn't have the visual que to make me second guess San Diego (San Jose makes more sense given the reference to keeping a boat in San Francisco).
I can confirm, that OCD is truly a wild ride. I can barely imagine, how many accounts I have followed on twitter just because I have to follow an even number of them.
I'm gonna say it: Winchester Mystery House is good, but definitely an architectural disaster. It's very impressive to visit though.
Is it a disaster if it's on purpose?
@@EmissaryofWind I mean, if Gulf state vanity projects count as on-purpose disasters...
Baldwin was a producer on the movie, the non-union hiring practices are his fault. Also, blaming the stage hands for being overworked is kind of a backwards way of looking at it.
came here to say this. Baldwin was defs responsible.
Of course he hired non-union. The moment I heard there were deaths on set I knew it was either, overworked techs or inexperienced techs and what do you know it's fucking both lol. AnCap business practices work don't you know?
@@maybemablemaples2144 Piss poor worker rights and regulation enforcement is the real blame here. Unionised or not. Hollywood is a cesspit of this kind of bullshit.
This is a fun tour to go on. We had a long layover at the San Jose Airport and checked it out. Mrs Winchester provided housing and higher than average pay for those that worked for her.
Silly wtyp crew, merasmus is the evil wizard from the Historically accurate game team fortress 2 who appears durring halloween.
Merasmus was also Soldier’s roommate until he was evicted, and Tom Jones’ roommate until Soldier snapped his neck.
@@dubspool Tom Jones' neck, to be specific
"Fools!"
It’s occurred to me that even if ghosts can pass through walls there’s been no evidence that they can see through walls so confusing them with random dead ends may be appropriate.
The Spencer was used widely by the Union Cavalry during the civil war. It's a little odd to operate compared to later lever actions, the cartridge was kinda weak, but it was WAY better than fuckin about with reins and a muzzleloader after every shot (I think the practice of having every fourth guy handle the horses during fighting came about after the Civil War?)
After the war, the us army adopted the 1873 single action trapdoor carbine. Pretty solid gun but slower than a lever action. During the Battle of Greasy Grass, the Lakota, Dakota, Cheyenne had some lever actions (as well as muzzleloaders, trapdoor rifles, bow and arrow, etc) which they used to repel an advance by some of Custer's detachment during the battle. One theory is the fire from their lever actions was so heavy that it may have turned the cavalry's retreat into a desperate sprint, and that was rapidly exploited to destroy Custer's detachment (lever actions or not, the indigenous forces were going to win that battle).
I haven't even started yet and am thrilled with this; I grew up not too distant from it.
Alec Baldwin is a producer on the film, he knew what was up. This is his fault as much as any of the other producers.
Keep your finger off the trigger.
Assume the firearm is always loaded.
Wear leather whenever feasible.
Do not point the firearm at anything you don't wish to destroy.
Ensure the firearm is unloaded prior to delivering one-liner.
Be aware of your target and what is beyond it.
Sadly, the film industry has to violate those rules on a frequent basis. Which is why they need to obey the second one, with the addition of "Until you have verified that it isn't yourself".
Apparently, the proper procedure is for the prop master to verify that the gun isn't loaded and then to give everyone on the set the opportunity to check that for themselves, then check it again and specifically offer it to anyone it is going to be pointed at, then check it again and hand it to the actor, who is expected to check it themselves.
On a film set you frequently need someone to LOOK like they are about to fire a gun when they aren't, and to point guns unsafe places. Which is why you need to constantly keep in mind that you are doing something really dangerous and breaking most of the safety rules, so the new safety rules are REALLY IMPORTANT.
Why leather?
@@spiderwrist to look cool
@@spiderwrist I think Ian McCollum makes a good argument for denim vests as an alternative, just be careful if you go the vinyl route
Regarding Frankenstein being the name of the doctor, not the monster... If we're being real, the doctor WAS the monster.
Also, Frankenstein was not the doctor, he was just a grad student.
@@darthbob88
See, he should have just joined a frat or something.
Yay Liam, Hooray Alice, Hi Justin
Goodnight Rocz get some rest!
*Malice
This honestly just sounds like a really funny Wraith the Oblivion game
Edit: Imagine being a German soldier closing your eyes in the Somme trenches and then getting woken up in California by a drummer boy from Raleigh.
Hey you, you’re finally awake.
@@dubspool and then he see’s Abraham Lincoln being chased by a comically large mob of Confederate soldiers
It's weird coming back to this episode a year later when a month ago the Queen legitimately died. Very strange.
I laughed way too hard when Alice said, "Too Many Cooks"
Ok some actual facts about Sarah Pardee Winchester!
We know quite a bit about her, and none if it mentions being into spiritualism or ghosts at all, let alone being obsessed with it. She was just an eccentric rich lady who got a bit extreme about her hobbies when she was feeling lonely.
She originally bought the big old property to live there comunally with her sisters, but that never eventuated. Her nieces and newphews visited and it was apparently quite a happy house, kids playing on the lawn and such.
The building work did stop, often! Records from the time showed long periods where she didn't have any projects going, and towards the end of her life she kind of got over it - it completely stopped years before her death.
That house boat was a gift for her niece, it had nothing to do with doomsday prepping, it was just for holidays and parties and stuff.
She and her late husband had designed some things before and her family was in woodworking, so she knew at least a little, and she was actually very exacting about what she wanted - she had that tower torn down and re-built a bunch of times before she was happy with it.
This was a great gig for the builders, because she paid them extremely well. There's records of her paying about three times the going rate for some projects.
All this ghost stuff was invented wholecloth after her death - much of the spooky stuff, including the 13s, were awkwardly added afterwards. You can see stuff like candelabras with extra arms just kinda slap-dash stuck on to make 13. The real ghost is capitalism - the people who bought the house came up with a scheme to make money off of it.
I put a secret passage from my closet into a crawlspace when I was a kid. Looking forward to the day when I may become entitled to financial compensation
Watching this after the Queen actually died is a bit of a trip
45:47 The movie Roz was thinking of is Paranormal Activity. Final Destination is the one where the characters cheat death, so Death comes for them specifically.
I can't wait for the Boston Molassacre episode!
There are special movie guns that have a built-in barrel obstruction, but apparently people on the filming of Rust wanted to go 'plinking' beer cans inbetween shoots.
And now they found live rounds in the set…
The Queen's hat in the photo is not really a fascinator--those are typically a small, cap-like, usually worn at an angle but with very elaborate embellishments.
Is it funnier if she died here and the rest was a weekend at Elizabeth’s situation or if she died this week immediately after meeting Liz truss
EDIT: oh shit she DID die just in time for spooky season
Looking forward to the next episode, about the Ta-Coma Scarrows Bridge.
ahh my weekly dose of train good, car/plane bad
I come for Roz' "Right."
The main issue with the volcanic is what made it special. This was really pre-metallic cartridge era, the bullets had a cavity in the back full of black powder and capped with wax. Only so much black powder could fit, which limited shot weight and muzzle velocity. Forgotten weapons has a great series on them.
The real horror of Winchester: being from New Haven
I like how the end gag has become arguing about the end gag
44:44 Paranormal Activity is the movie
I think the queen was brought into hospital because she felt her heart beat for the first time since 2005, and it spooked her.
Small correction: the house is in San Jose, not San Diego. I get the "San" cities in California can be confusing, but San Diego is closer to Mexico whereas San Jose is a hop, skip, and jump from San Francisco.
I worked at the Winchester Mystery House in 2019 and I have never seen more people with splinters in my life
The worst thing your landlord can say is, "who told you about passage way between units"
the spider web motifs are like dreamcatchers for ghosts
Ahh… love any Hedburg reference. I use the filing receipts for donuts one often.
I can't wait for Alec Baldwin to send his story in for Safety Third.
I was going to say management and scabs shouldn't be allowed to send in Safety Third stories, but they did one from someone about working for a landlord, so maybe film producers who get people killed by accidentally shooting them, so they can get around paying union workers, are somewhere on that spectrum?
(Edit: I know you're kidding, I'm not serious either)
i heard yesterday some of the crew were bringing live ammo on-set to plink cans/bottles between takes,using the same guns used during filming- i think that might have been one of the reasons the union staff walked, actually- massive breach of the safety regulations right there from my understanding...
Do the Sunset Limited wreck.
I am determined to make this the "I Hate Mars Bars" of WTYP
I've been told that "misfiring" is when a gun fails to fire, so, not technically a misfire. Seems the gun fired just fine, really.
I think the term would be 'accidental discharge'.
Looking forward to WTYP getting into "Supernatural" fanfiction.
@David Von Fakename thank you I hate this 👌🏿
I love being way behind on this podcast because I get to hear The God Damned News with a fresh and distant perspective of someone living a year later.
24:43 - For some reason, this bit from Alice reminded me of the recommendation she'd made for Ballad of Czolgosz in one of the bonus episodes.
F*** yeah, SAN JOSE content on WTYP!
Sarah Winchester’s name for her house, “Llanada Villa” is pronounced in Spanish as “Yanada veeya”
My head-cannon is that she named it that, because in English it sounds kinda like “Yonder Villa”
Winchester Repeating Arms Company is currently owned by the Olin Corporation, although they dont make any firearms having either sold off that portion of the company to the US Repeating Arms Company(owned by FN) and/or licensed the name and designs to Browning, FN, and Miroku. Interesting, the US Repeating Arms Company used to be employee-owned, before they went bankrupt in '89.
HELL YEAH I live down the street from this, literally only been before I could form long lasting memories tho
Fascinators are the little ornaments you pin to your hair, as distinct from hats which rest on your head.
This lady never turned off creative mode
Yay I’m excited!! the mystery house is hella interesting! Toured it twice, was fun to visit!
watching this in september 2022 and the queen death news is funnier than ever
in regards to baldwin killing someone, there were live rounds on set because the crew was recreationally shooting the guns
16:15 Liam is actually correct. Vulcanized rubber was patented in 1844 (a few decades earlier than I thought, and I work in the rubber industry).
kaz rowe has a great episode on the winchester house - it's a lot more like alice's 'rich lady just vibing and letting people do whatever' and way less 'crazy'. the press just called her crazy because she was intensely private.
If a turn-based RPG western with a genuinely hilarious script is your jam I can recommend West of Loathing, and its spoof Winchester based DLC Reckoning at Gun Manor
i feel like most volcanic users just operated the lever with the free hand not the finger. also the rocket ball ammo is very temperamental
The only issue I have with this episode is Alice keeps trying to make sense of the Winchester house, which is a sisyphean task
Shake hands with SPOOOOOOOOOKY!!!
Omg I need a cabin in the woods vibe movie about a haunted house boat now
43:30 story time.
Me late grandmother ( born 1930) told me as a younger person they still used chamber pots. So... Mrs Winchester likely emptied her " Night Soil" into the actual bathroom every morning...
if a ghost told me to break up the mass i would absolutely invent ghostbusters tech
Alice with the very impressive off the cuff Halloween pun name holy shit... Also the Alec Baldwin situation is the ULTIMATE Safety Third example.
Frankenstein is a family name, it is the name of both monsters of the story
Why do people stay in haunted houses?
Second decade of renting is scarier than any goddammed ghost
People hope to get scared by a ghost just so they can feel something again.
yelling at the podcast like i'm watching blues clues "It's Paranormal Activity!"