I like how every time clay threatens people with a gun he gets away with it. The other characters just think to themselves "oh clay, back with your silly gun again".
These characters grow into the middle aged adult families and victims of the serial killers in Criminal Minds. When the killers research their targets past and gives them the just desserts.😔
I mean, if I was a director I could come up with ideas to stretch out of how Bryce Walker and Montgomery de la Cruz are doing around hell with Justin Foley. But that is about it. Asides from just doing a literal spin off and revamping it kind of like the same approach of General Hospital. But many Hospital shows are kind of boring at this point. Except for The Good Doctor that portrays autism in the best accurate way possible instead of like pulling an Autism Speak misinforming a lot of people false stuff and being like Peta but to autistic people.
true but its so dangerous, it's just pushing so much misinformation about mental illnesses. we really don't need that anymore in the media its bad enough as is
I know right. I want to watch the show but I don’t want to watch kids having sex. I know high school kids have sex I just don’t want to watch kid characters in sexual situations. This show seems to really focus on their bodies trying to make it a “hot” scene like adult characters. I want to see pressures of test taking or school performances lol
Most of them are probably having a class only for the sounds of gunshots to be heard. The newer kids ask what's going on and the teachers and older students probably say "Oh just another school shooting. We get a lot of them at Liberty High. Just ignore it." Sunnydale High School from Buffy the Vampire Slayer had less of a body count and that town was full of vampires, demons, werewolves, ghosts, zombies and so on.
Can we talk more about my most hated part of this season, CLAY? Specifically, the fact that he never has to take responsibility for his actions... 1. Crashes Zack's car and leaves him for dead. Zack gets kind of mad at him part of the next episode and that ends quickly. 2. Takes a cop''s gun and waves it around at a school full of students and faculty. Gets tackled by cops and checked into a mental facility but does not get arrested or charged. 3. Breaks out of a psych ward. He gets to go home. 4. Walks into a police station and screams he has a gun in front of multiple officers. A cop hugs him and sends him home. 5. This is all beyond the main portion of the season which is covering up the murder of Brice. Is this kid legally immortal???
Doesn't take responsibility? he's too busy taking responsibility for everyone else lmao. Lets not forget he spent a whole season being suspected for murder AND arrested which contributed to his mental breakdown in season 4 because his "friends" decided to beat up and kill Bryce.
@@agtl3168 Let's back it up and ask the question of why Clay was being suspected in the first place? It's because he continuously made himself look guilty. Every character in the show had issues with Brice even before the rape situation but while they all were frustrated by this student that got away with so much because he came from a rich family and starting quarterback, none of them went to the guy's house threatening to kill him (which was caught on camera) or screaming threats to the guy in the halls of the school full of students. That was all Clay. His friends were pretty much suspects because they associated with Clay. The final season broadens his issues dramatically but he was by no means perfect before. Even this guy points out that walking in front of Tyler holding a gun was a dumb idea, and not reporting the situation was even worse (that second part you can also contribute to the rest of the cast). Bottom line, he does so much crap throughout the show, but this last season pretty much took his one or two illegal activities a season and cranked it up with not a single repercussion.
@@seanpariser7300 Yes they did. Justin threatened to kill Bryce multiple times, other kids did, even the mother did. And yes, walking infront of the gun WAS a dumb idea. However, you're missing context. Had it been anyone else Clay would have never done that, but it was Tyler. And Clay knew deep down that Tyler didn't really want to go through with that. You wanted Clay to report the situation and have Tyler possibly kill multiple people before the cops show up, or have no one die? The idea might have been stupid, but that doesn't matter because the end result was perfect. No one died. Clay did some stupid things, suffering with his mental health, but idunno why people point that out, when Zach and Alex literally got away with beating and killing Bryce. Hell, Bryce literally got away with rape LOL
@@agtl3168 I'm gonna have to disagree. Yes, it is true that more than just Clay threatened Brice, but Clay broadcasted his hatred of Brice to the world and on multiple occasions. Merely threatening Brice was only a single example of how much the writers allowed Clay to get away with. As far as "Clay knowing deep down that Tyler didn't want to go through with that", that idea is more of an assumption. I would like to think that any kid who brings weapons to their school do not want to go through with the action, but that is sometimes true and sometimes wishful thinking. Think of the torture Tyler went through with Monte. I would never condone shooting up a school but from what the audience knows, we can slightly understand where his actions are coming from. Back to Clay, he is reckless beyond comparison to the others. Most of his problems would go away if he simply told his very successful parents. He probably has the most stable family (mentally and financially) out of all the characters. His Dad is a dam psychologist for crying out loud, and his Mom is a lawyer. Even Justin, the guy who lets men have their way with him to score drugs can see that. They come into his life and he is going to rehab and caring about his grades. As far as the others go, I just think the writers were having too much fun adding in random crap like Zack and Alex destroying a principle's office or even Zack's alcoholism (which slightly makes sense until we remember this guy is supposed to be a 17-year-old kid). All-in-all, Clay is the only character that actively makes trouble for himself and others and as I said before, never has to take responsibility for his actions.
It was so corny here. I kept thinking about that Spongebob episode where Squidward is being taken on some acid trip into horror by the Flying Dutchman where a large figure of Spongebob literally had spiders crawl out of his face.
@@Lauren_210 I remember that episode. Where Spongebob suggested that the Dutchman scare Squidward so he pretended to be Squidward's mother saying "WHY HAVEN'T YOU CALLED ME?"
@Ks (Funny to see you again) When was the attempted rape though? You mean when he was standing in that room with the asleep girl or am I forgetting a scene? But yeah, that boy would soooo rot in prison for the rest of his life. Accessory for murder can get you thirty years alone.
For any non-Americans wondering - yes we do have lockdown drills in the States. BUT they, like all other drills (e.g. fire, tornado), are ALWAYS announced beforehand, typically at the start of the school day. The drill can happen at any time that day, but it's for the exact reason seen in the show that everyone is forewarned. Anyways, f this show
other drills arent always announced beforehand tho. once my school made a surprise fire drill and even set off smoke from the construction site on campus to convince us all it was real.
Because that's Netflix's defence against any criticism of the show. Even though nobody watches episodes of this then turns to each other and starts talking about suicide and how to stop it. That's just Netflix giving themselves too much credit and thinking they're more important than they are.
Because they have nothing else to say, they dont know how actual teenagers think or behave so its not like they can say they relate to anyone, they arent helping anyone, if anything they are causing MORE harm, and even they know the show isnt entertaining so they cant even say its all for the sake of drama If I was an actor on this series (I would leave if I could but im sure all of them are chained by contracts) I would just refuse any interviews about the show, even if im not allowed to trash it id at least not praise it
Clay literally had a personality disorder and extremely detailed hallucinations, to the point that he could even communicate with his hallucinations (possibly some form of schizophrenia). He was also clearly mentally unstable to a degree that he's a danger to others, considering he set up explosions without even being aware of his actions. These kinds of issues need extensive medication, and possibly the care of a closed psychiatric facility. This isn't the kind of thing that can be resolved by saying goodbye to Hannah and getting a new girlfriend. The fact that this show treats such extremely serious mental illnesses so casually yet still claims to be informative, and more than just cheap drama, seriously makes me mad 凸(⊙▂⊙✖)
Your point is severely undercut by the emoticon at the end. But I agree, this show handles sensitive topics about as well as an elephant handles a bag of chips.
@@sirapple589 tnx, english isn't my first language so I appreciate the grammar professor in this case (I still like to use emoticons for emphasis every once in a while though, I don't think that they are necessarily detrimental to a point as long as it isn't overdone)
The show should've ended with it being revealed that Hannah Baker is still in the bath imaging that all this would happen if she killed herself and so she decides not to.
That would have been hilariously bad. It would have been better than the real ending, but still silly because it would mean Hannah daydreamt years into the future, including inventing characters she has never met before. The best bit is because season 4 is so farfetched and detached from season 1, there's be no way Hannah could predict all of that shitshow unless she had no logical cause-effect thinking skills.
ADVISORY FOR ALL NON-AMERICANS: this show is nowhere near how 99.9% of american schools/teens are. hollywood loves to do this with most social/political issues. it's rarely done in an honest or constructive way and just feels like propaganda by the end. TLDR; this whole show sucks
Wait, so you're telling me that teenagers in the USA are *not* sexy 21-year-olds who go on drug orgies every other day? Hollywood wouldn't lie to me like that!
Here's a hot take: You know how every episode this season starts with one of them giving a eulogy at the funeral of a character that is revealed to be Justin? As far I'm concerned, it should've been Clay. Why? First off, I'm fucking tired of doing whatever he fucking wants without consequences. Secondly, Justin's death happened so that they could have a dramatic, emotional finale, let's be honest with ourselves. Finally, and here's my real point, it feels like it'd be a natural conclusion for Clay. Think about it: starting from Hannah Baker's suicide, here's been on an absolute downward spiral, and the fact that he himself had unchecked mental issues didn't help his case. I could go on, but I just feel it'd be more.... organic, and less of a slap to the face if the funeral was for someone who died as a direct result of the events of the season.
I agree. It should have been clay. It didn't make sense for them to kill off Justin. Especially since they spent season 2 trying to 'rehabilitae' him after being on the streets and try to give him remorse. This whole show is a mess now lmao
He's a Gary Stu basically. Portrayed as perfect and flawless, treated like he can do no wrong and like he's always right and can get away with anything.
Same,with no consequences i could kill more people than ww2 and could destoy entire nation and walk in tge streets with no one caring,but that wont stop people calling me ugly or attaing reputation
Even then, it was still awful. Suicidal people wouldn't leave tapes behind like some big master plan. It's so melodramatic and unrealistic, it's disgusting
@@cryguy0000 Yeah it was bad but we aren't saying it was good we are just demonstrating how much the show has changed from it's original course and plot just because Netflix wants to milk it dry so much
@@cryguy0000 There's nothing disgusting about a fictional drama not being realistic. They went too far with the suicide scene, but there's nothing else that's worth getting offended by.
@@TheFire1290 the suicide scene isnt the issue. The story is the issue. There is a trigger warning for softy’s which can’t watch the scene. It’s the entire story that falls short. It’s over dramatized for the message they are trying to convey. If they just said this was a normal show that wasn’t raising awareness (which it isn’t) then it would be fine. It’s just for entertainment. But no, they sold it off as they’re trying to raise awareness for issues in the world. Which is false, they just needed a security net to fall back on if they took heat for the show.
I love how Justin, though he had little to do with the main plot, was the one character who actually made an effort to change and become a better person, ended being the one dying.
And HIV doesn't usually progress to AIDS and kills so fast. Nowadays people survive decades and decades without symptoms. It was so out of nowhere and forced.
@@BryantheArchivist The Duffer Brothers said (when the show begin) it would end at around season 4-5. They have a story in mind and I think we should let them finish telling it before we judge it.
@@dairycow4466 It's a disingenuous comparison anyway. Though the quality varies from season to season, every single season of Stranger Things is objectively better than anything after season 1 of 13 reasons. Writing, directing, acting, all better by miles. People might not like the story, or the characters of Stranger things, but the quality is undeniably better than seasons 2,3, and 4 of 13 reasons.
What even was the message of killing Justin? I used to think his character was sending the message that no matter how hard a person messes up in life or is broken, there is always HOPE for a better path by making the right choices. But when they killed him, they shattered everything of that message. I think it is clear to say that this show has no other point than to show tragedy. It is just written by a bunch of sadists who believe people are destined to live in a cruel world
It sent the message that no matter how hard you try, some people are just destined to be the supporting character to a rich white cishet boy. Preferably make said supporting character an ethnic minority or gay (or both)
Not necessarily, while schizophrenics experience mostly auditory hallucinations (it is why a lot of them think god is talking to them), visual hallucinations aren’t uncommon.
It is a response to grief, but it is very rare for it to be seen the way it is, unless in someone with a psychotic disorder in which hallucinations are a common thing. Normally with grief, it would be momentarily mistaking someone for the deceased, or seeing them out of the corner of your eye, but the moment they start talking is when there's a serious problem and get help immediately.
So basically, this show continuing after the first season is like having The Odyssey continue after Odysseus returns to Ithaca and kills the suitors, only now we follow along his daily life as he does his grocery shopping and fights with his neighbors
It honestly would have better if they had started over with new characters in a different school dealing with someone else's suicide/murder/schoolsh00ting. There are so many other directions for the show to go. Idk why Netflix is so set on only using these boring ass characters who would have already graduated high school by now and who would have totally forgotten about Hannah almost entirely.
It would've been better if they'd dropped a nuke on the town so that the characters and their worthless "problems" could've evaporated into the nothingness they deserved.
I agree. In the first season I was pretty sure that they were all juniors and the show made it seem that way, but somehow they were only freshman? I think they had to do that to keep the show going and so they could make a season for each year of their high school class but still it was a major plot hole, but can't really blame them because they probably did not plan on making 3 more seasons before the first season came out.
@@graham121 that's probably true I bet they didn't know they were going to get more seasons but like I said they could have gotten creative and had Clay transfer schools because of all the drama that happened or just start over with whole new characters. That's what I would have done. The story from that school was already told and wrapped up. There are just so many other more interesting characters and stories they could have told if they ditched the characters from the first season. Or if they'd still focused on that school but a different grade and different students than they did. I was so looking forward to the second season I thought for sure it was going to go in a school sh00ter direction. I think this show in particular makes me so angry because I can see the potential it had. It was a show that wasnt afraid to show a suicide or talk about it. They could have even based the second season off a different young adult book like Speak or Insatiable. I feel like that would have been a really cool direction to take it in. Insatiable is an amazing book but no one ever talks about it. It follows four different highschool girls living four different lives with four different types of eating disorders and they all go to the same school but most of them don't know each other. It would have been so interesting and cool to do that.
@@WhitneyDahlin I completely agree. I think the reason why the first 2 seasons where amazing and it was a downward spiral after that was just because it got too unrealistic and the story had already been told. The first 2 seasons focused on actual issues that many high schoolers experience but once it got to the point of murdering a rapist then blaming the murder on another rapist and all the other crazy stuff that happened in the later seasons it just was way more unrealistic. The shows original purpose was to show the real serious problems that high schoolers face, but elaborately covering up a murder, multiple people having full on visual hallucinations, and all the other wild stuff that happened just made the show worse in my opinion. I think they should've gone a different direction with the storyline after it was pretty much wrapped up at the end of season 2. I like your idea of focusing on a different grade or students we never knew at Liberty, that would've been cool. I think it would've been really interesting if they focused on the adults in the show while they were in high school and what they had to deal with growing up. Maybe they could've focused on Mr. and Mrs. Jensen, Mrs. Baker, Tony's parents, and Mr. Walker. or if they did this as a spin off show after all 4 seasons they could've also shown Ani's mom, Clay's therapist, Sheriff Diaz, etc. Overall I think it would be cool to see this idea for a show, showing real high school struggles, in a different way instead of continuing to have to make the storyline crazier and crazier to the point where it's unbelievable just to add more seasons. Honestly the best direction they could've taken after season 2 would've been to just start over with a whole new plot with new characters, a new location, and tackling different issues. I think it was just lazy writing to just create content in the last 2 seasons in my opinion. Sorry if this is too much to read haha I just enjoy writing about it because I loved the show and don't have anyone to talk to about it.
Yeah this show is like 30 years behind in that regard. HIV/AIDS is so much more manageable than it ever has been before. I haven’t seen this show but it made it seem like he died only a few months after finding out he had it. Another example of the writers just trying to shove every social issue they can into a show until it’s bloated.
I would say that the show should’ve just ended after Season 1, but really, it shouldn’t have been made in the first place. Netflix had no idea how to handle the topic of suicide (they went directly against the recommended guidelines for portraying suicide).
bill murray is a banana well you gotta remember just because it’s made by netflix, doesn’t mean it has the same writers! 13rw was a shit show unlike bojack
The fact they killed Justin for no reason, covered up a school shooting incident, blamed a murder on someone innocent who then died in prison, and ALL of them get a random happy ending is making hate each and every person behind this show. How did anyone look at the script and say " Yeah this is fine" ???????
Uhhh Monty wasn’t innocent in the slightest. Guy violated Tyler with a mop handle, tried to encourage Alex to kill himself, tried to kill Clay, put a sex doll on someone’s porch to re-enforce their traumatic assault experience. Otherwise I agree
What I want to know is how they managed to get into the colleges they applied to when they had murders/rapes/potential school shootings/ghosts etc going on. When did they have time to focus on their academic studies?
To summarise why this show is actually horrible: 1. Characters don’t have personalities, they are defined by their mental illness ( which is very contradicting because the show wanted the moral to be that people aren’t defined by their mental illness) 2. It’s basically a checklist, trying to fit in every single issue in one show. 3. The story isn’t progressive (since season 1 at least) none of the characters grow and learn. 4. It has no real message, basically what they’re saying is: there is bad stuff in the world, it sucks. And that’s just a few of the reasons, despite this I did actually enjoy season 1 of this show, but every other season is dragging the show on for too long to try and make more money off of it. It should’ve ended at season 1 in my opinion, but even that season certainly had its faults. Edit: Dear everyone replying basically saying: no, you can’t think that! You have to think what I think! Please relax and let me have my opinion and you can have yours, there is no point in trying to start an argument because I simply won’t reply. If my comment is really that horrible to you than just keep scrolling.
Such an awkward and clumsy attempt of portraying mental health, it's so implausible that it makes the issue almost laughable...oh and it suddenly becomes a horror movie halfway through too
And on the far opposite end, we have BoJack Horseman, a more realistic take on mental health and suicide. When you're less realistic than a talking horse, maybe the showrunners need to just retire.
Just saying The View From Halfway Down Has the strongest anti suicide message I've seen in ANY media, the lines of the poem being delivered with more terror and urgency as it represents getting closer to the ground is impactful and stays with you. Who would ever want to feel that kind of fear. Thats how you do anti suicide
I feel like Bojack works because as much as it is a look into mental illness and other heavy themes, it’s also a comedy. So all the crazy stuff that happens doesn’t feel out of place. It also knows when to ground itself for the serious moments
I went into BoJack because "haha funny animated horse" but man, they managed to find all my biggest and deepest fears and made me rethink my life and outlook on the world. It would be incredibly hard to ever top that show
The most offensive thing about the show is how it acts like some revolutionary resource for learning when in reality it's some awful convoluted teen drama with zero self-awareness.
The inclusion of the “ghosts” strikes me as someone who doesn’t know how to write inner-turmoil/conflict creating an excuse for characters to just say their inner monologue out loud w/o it having any plot consequence or bearing on their actual relationships. Which is particularly cheap considering they already have an opportunity to do this with the narrator. I don’t envy having to actually sit through this show, but it’s been a hell of a lot of fun to hear about it secondhand.
I know, adding ghosts to the story is just corny, and while Clay being able to speak to deceased characters in public was one thing, suddenly EVERYONE seems to be able to converse with ghosts now and nobody even questions their mental health! 👻🤦🏻♀️
Adding ghosts can be done REALLY well when added properly. Narcos perfectly pulls it off when Pablo talks to his cousin Gustavo at the end of his life on the run. You just have to make sure that it fits the personality of the characters involved, fit the tone, and not be used as a crutch or blatant exposition. If you can write a ghost in to help a character during a moment of moral weakness, despair, poor perspective, or similar internal conflicts you can create a really impactful SCENE (keyword). Overuse and misuse just churns out this kind of melodramatic fluff
There’s a kind of “ghost” character in Next to Normal, which was mentioned, but there it actually made sense I think. The character was supposed to represent the mental illnesses of the characters, and how the death of that character still looms over the characters after so many years. This also kind of acts as a sort of inner monologue or inner turmoil, but they’re still their own character. The ghosts in 13 reasons why acted more as different facets of the character they haunt, but in the musical they seem more complicated than that. Idk, that’s just my opinion. It’s honestly one of my favorite musicals, so I suggest whoever is reading this to check it out :P
Jackson Smith This makes me think of Dexter - Harry, Dexter’s adopted father, exists as a source of grounding for Dexter’s personality, which is inherently devoid of empathy
The only way that actor can redeem himself is to at least pretend he only did it for the money. At a certain point any reasonable thinking person in his position what is least have to question what is going on. Like how do you have a minimum of 10 different main character costar actors and have them not talk to each other the entire time and at least five of the conversations throughout this entire series between them be “ lol the script says what”. The show is just astronomically moneygrubbing and makes Tele Novelas seem tame in comparison.
American here: lockdown drills do happen, but it's nothing like the show. Usually it's more like, the teacher tells you a drill is gonna happen followed by everyone moving out of view of the doors and windows and turning the lights off. The biggest "fear" involved is the teacher getting mad or getting in trouble because you were giggling too loud while making quiet dick jokes. Typically an officer will walk around the building and make sure he can't see or hear anyone hiding in the classrooms and that the doors are locked. Not scary, and not even remotely the same as portrayed by this garbage show.
Canadian here: it's similar but it's treated a bit more seriously. Most of the time the staff just jiggle the doorknob a bit and bang on the door before moving on. But I know it's not as dramatic as the show potrays it to be.
DUDEABOT6000 oh shit I almost forgot that we had school shooting drills, at the time it seemed so normal and just apart of life instead of an issue that needed to be solved lmao
i had a mentally scarring lockdown in 3rd grade where they announced that it was a "red jaguar lockdown" (the code word for a real lockdown in our school), i remember being in a classroom with 3 other kids and a teacher who couldn't tell us what was going on for some reason. We ended up praying because some kid was scared that if he died he would end up in hell and so we sat there, crying, shaking, and praying with each others hands in our own hands, with the lock down sirens blaring, until it ended. It turns out that it was a fucking bear, it wasn't spotted even near the school, it was just in the general vicinity, i get having the kids be put into classrooms just in case but having a full lockdown and not being allowed to tell them whats happening, thats horrible.
"Starting a conversation" "Important for dealing with heavy topics" Actually, ya know what's *really* important for dealing with topics like these? Dear Evan Hansen. Why? Because it portrays these characters as actual people, both Evan and Connor aren't *meant* to be sympathized with. Evan was a dick and pushed everyone who cared about him behind and Connor was very abusive to his sister and just straight up a monster to his parents. And they most certainly don't get away with everything in the way that Clay does. Connor is ostracized by his peers and his entire family hates him, and it's well deserved. Evan Hansen also doesn't get the forgiveness of anyone but his mom, which again, is well deserved. It portrays mental illness far better than 13 reasons why ever could
you guys remember that one episode in adventure time where it's revealed that ice king has memory loss and he used to take care of marceline before the war and marceline tries to get him to remember but he can't and they sing a song at the end and the lyrics were about ice king's struggle to keep his sanity due to basically needing the crown to survive and how he's sorry if he doesnt remember her and does bad things??? that short 11minute episode taught me more about mental health than all of 13 reasons why
the part that most bothered me was that clay kept doing such crazy things. and getting away with it! he stole gun and threatened a police station. he crashed a car and dipped. he escaped an insane asylum
In the US we have lockdown drills about once a month were the teachers would block out all windows/lock the door and we would sit on the floor where it would be hardest to see us from the door. A janitor would then come by and check that the door was locked. Students aren't allowed to talk during the lockdown. Everyone is aware that whenever a lockdown is called it is nearly impossible that it isn't a drill.
seriously what school would announce a school shooter when most students are not in a classroom (most susceptible places like hallways bathrooms and library. not tell anyone and make no effort to announce when they notice panic of the students. so unrealistic school are terrifired of lawsuits and wont do anything like this that has such a high rate for random and bad stuff to happen, when they could easily announce it and cover thier tracks
Lol at my school in Australia one year some teachers dressed up as criminals to check the doors and stuff during a lockdown drill but I guess they didn’t tell everyone and the cops where called and it turned into a real lockdown lmaoo
once a month?! here in Malaysia all the schools here might have fire drill like once a year and that's it. I cannot imagine how annoying it would be to have drill every month or the constant horrifying school shootings.
Tyler the guy who instead of just wanting to shoot Monty and his friends, the guys who sodomised him with a mop wanted to shoot up the whole school saying that is hypocritical. He deserved to have his life ruined.
Why is there more than one season for this. The entire purpose was to follow a dead girls thirteen audio tapes detailing why she committed suicide. That was wrapped up in the first season so why even have the other 3 seasons exist?
I respected the novel. So much. The writing was... pretty good for 15 year old me. I mean, it fit the demographic. I like how the story ended too, it's Clay telling Skye not to take her life after noticing her mannerisms after listening to the tapes. It felt simple and open ended. How did it become .... like this? It didn't need to be milked to so many seasons.
I feel I should say, as someone who’s actually been in a lockdown scenario where everyone thought there was a shooter on campus, and that we were in danger- people weren’t all shaking and crying and having emotional breakthroughs with ghosts. A few people cried, but everyone else was deadly quiet. Wanna know why? Because when something like that happens, there’s nothing you really can say, except to be quiet and hope for the best. Basically, show dumb, writing dumber
Omg when we had a false scare at my school (not a drill. Someone let a stranger on campus) every one was devising ways to attack the shooter and one kid had stapler. No one was crying or taking it seriously at all. Good thing it was false alarm or we all would have one Darwin's award.
Ploopy Cat Same sorta thing happened to me, a stranger brought a (super realistic) air soft gun onto my campus and it took like, over an hour to figure it out. I realize know that we were so ill prepared that had it been real, we would’ve TOTALLY DIED. Also I remember that I stayed up late the night before doing my math homework, and all I could think was “I’m not gonna let that homework go to waste, if he comes in I’ll stab him.” I’d also win a Darwin Award
We do have drills for those "lockdown situations" in America, but it's always confirmed to be a drill before it starts. Schools would never just randomly do a drill like that (at least mine never did), they'd tell the teachers at least a day before, which would inevitably lead the students to know. Heck, even when the announcement happens they specify that it's a drill. So yeah, the only things this show got correct was: 'Suicide happens' and 'People feel emotions'
Also, a school that pulled that would risk a MASSIVE backlash from the parents once the kids told them. 13 Reasons Why really diminishes the impact that parents have towards the school system. Sure, parents are brushed under the rug when they don’t have any power to sue or when the school is in someone’s pocket, but such a massive event affecting multiple students would definitely not go unnoticed.
I just can't believe they ended it with everyone getting away with murder. They're a bunch of teenagers that got away with murder! not to mention the amount of anger, screaming, violent deaths and overall drama was waaayy over the top.
13 Reasons Why was the revolutionary attempt to make soap operas that appealed to modern teens. It failed miserably because it didn't know it was a soap opera, but it's landmark in TV history will remain forever.
That has to be the most counter productive lockdown drill of all time. "Let's train our students to panic and have mental breakdowns when we have lockdowns. That should keep them nice and safe."
Ive been through regular drills and a scenario where a false alert was called. During the drill, everybody in class was making jokes and taking it very casually. During the false alert, police came by with their guns drawn and we were legit scared for their lives but still quietly joked with eachother about our last words and dying wishes as a way to cope. People recorded videos of themselves and texted their friends and families. No one made phone calls crying for help and no one started panicking or screaming. We all just hid and kept quiet. This show is fucking insane.
in actual lockdown drills they literally tell you it's a drill and it's nowhere near as dramatic as shown in this show lol edit: apparently they don't tell you at some schools, personally I've never experienced it but it doesn't really surprise me that this actually happens
Not true. They are wildly inconsistent across America, as our police forces are. They can be overly dramatic and sometimes they don't inform the students. Look into news stories about these lockdown drills getting out of hand, with parents and teachers lobbying complaints. You actually made me defend this trash show. SMH
Clorox Bleach actually i read that some schools do have unannounced drills where masked "intruders" shoot blanks or rubber pellets. seems pretty traumatizing.
An unexpected intruder drill with ACTIVE FIRE would NEVER pass in America (despite what Europeans tend to believe). Parents would be too pissed off and they would DEFINITELY have a lawsuit on their hands
actually, believe it or not, some schools actually do. they're called ALICE drills. they have masked intruders shoot blanks or rubber pellets, and often, they are unannounced.
parents, students and educators have all complained from what i can tell. it's incredibly traumatizing for both the staff (who know its a drill) and the students, who sometimes do not.
@@sadezem991 I had the ALICE system for school safety in my private middle school and we never had anything like what was shown in the show. Not sure if that was because it was middle school, but it really does not seem like that would go over well if it was happening. I have read that they have used active shooter drills in the past, in the recent years following the Columbine tragedy, but I feel like those types of drills are probably not still happening just because of the trauma it causes
They did have an active shooter drill at my high school, but it was a charter school that helped train students to become cops, 911 dispatch, EMT, and CSI so I feel like it’s a little different
The end got me thinking, there's no way the students in these dramatized highschools would be able to maintain good grades with all the pressure their always in, especially not the main cast. I can say from experience that for the average person: maintaining excellent scholarly pursuits while under the pressure of serious negative feelings like guilt, depression, or abandonment is nearly impossible. At least half of the main cast wouldn't have gotten into their dream university if this was real life (although I suppose if was *really* realistic then the FBI would've shown up by season three and arrested everyone).
In that scene where Clay grabs an officer’s gun during the drill he would have been shot IMMEDIATELY like you cannot grab an officer’s gun and wave it around in a school full of children especially in America he would have died so fast (unless the guns were fake idk I didn’t watch this garbage season)
I feel like in such a toxic school environment, noone would ever come out as gay. My school had a good environment and I was still the only gay guy who was out. Just because peer pressure is really strong. But god, the show is so stupid.
@@nope7389 imagine being so lonely that you reply to a month-old comment with 'shut up' and nothing more. Your neckbeard is probably about as bushy as mine.
Imagine how much better this series would have been had Hannah's mom found a diary containing the 13 reasons and SHE was the one who started the revenge plot. It softens the romantic portrayal of suicide, it gives more weight to the court arc, it leans more heavily toward her being the prime suspect in season 3, and it overall just provides an interesting and consistent dynamic between her and Clay. It wouldn't fix the bad writing, but it would make it at least slightly more enjoyable. Nothing could fix season 4 without a complete rewrite.
Reminds me of that Asian film where the female teacher spikes her classes drinks with poison because someone there were responsible her child dying but she don't know who so she just tells them after they have all had their lunch.
I like how the big Clay reveal is literally played as a joke in Netflix’s series Bojack Horseman. In the show Philbert (which is portrayed as having bad writing), it’s revealed that the main character was the one who was blackmailing and exposing himself due to the guilt of killing his wife. It’s literally played for laughs in that show. Also, there’s constant joking about how his former partner being a ghost is such an overplayed trope, and again, lazy writing. It’s funny how similar 13RW and the fictional intentionally bad show within Bojack Horseman are. I’d also like to add that the act of someone losing their grip on reality is portrayed perfectly in Bojack Horseman season 5. The end of the season feels like a true culmination of the entire show in a satisfying, yet devastating way. If you have not watched this show, I could not recommend if more. (It was briefly shown on Alex’s “best shows” collage in this video!)
The fact that Alex’s dad is Lucifer in Supernatural leads me to think that this entire show is just the afterlife for everybody, and this is Lucifer’s way of torturing them for eternity.
That comment alone makes me think that they found her reasons why she committed suicide and after that they go on a space ship to hunt down Lucifer cult on the moon or someshit like WTF??
That movie where the bullied main character goes bat-shit crazy and starts killing her bullies with her psychic powers was honestly way better. Edit: Carrie
the fact that some great Netflix shows didn't got pass Season 1 but this trash fire got 3 MORE even though just 1 (as an adaptation of the book) was enough is beyond me...
@Jam Drew Shock value, every season finale had something to shock and people would talk about it (ex: Hannah's graphic suicide, Monty raping Tyler), and more people would watch it. Also, some people watched it to trash it and that elevates the rating
Killing a gay character from AIDS in a couple of episodes without showing agravating symptoms is incredible tone-deaf, uninformed, harmful and disrespectful to people living with hiv
@@Eris_Norregard well the thing is it perpetuates the idea that men having sex with men equals death by aids, no matter if he's "actually gay" or not. In this context i used gay as proxy for "men f*cked by men"
@@Chibiknux more like being a sex worker at a young age with many different people for money with a lack of food and shelter and extreme heroin absuse along with not getting it treated, ignoring signs and not getting it treated leads to death.
@@saintsfps5348 you cant ignore aids symptoms. You clearly have no idea how hiv aids works, and as ihe said in the video from a writting perspective theres tons of other diceases that wouldve get the job done just fine
After being affected by a school shooting threat this shit made me so upset cuz it's scary as hell and shouldn't be trivialized multiple times in one fucking series
as a mlm(since people keep asking, mlm is an acronym commonly used in the lgbt community that means “male loves male”, referring to gay and bisexual men, NOT multi level marketing) i feel like this whole show is taking the piss out of me, not representing me. the entertainment industry needs to stop using gay and bi people as a way to advertise their poorly written, crappy tv shows. we aren’t marketable objects you can use for monetary gain; we are real people, who go through every single struggle and beating that comes with being different. that doesn’t mean you can’t have a character who only finds the courage to come out later in the show- but there is a respectful way to do it. you need to show them being attracted to the same sex before they come out, even if just in a subtle way. if a show does the opposite and only establishes a character as gay/bi to seem progressive... it clearly ISN’T progressive.
not disagreeing i just wanted to add that yeah, when you have a teenager coming of age story (like 13rw) it‘s inevitable that, since this genre is very character driven and revolves around relationships, you‘ll have to research what it means to be gay growing up in ADDITION to other struggles that teens face (because surprise lol gay/bi kids also have other problems) and how to portray it accurately... i cant stand the „here‘s our random character > they‘re gay now surprise! > homophobic moment happens and everythings sad :( > but their friends accept them and they stand up to their bullies! happiness!“ formula lmaoooo
sicknastydab dab i don’t need to have a job in marketing to understand that using minorities for your own personal gain is scummy. but since you asked- my dad used to be in marketing, so i am perfectly aware of the fact that companies have no remorse when using gay people to make a profit- especially when a show is losing popularity or during pride month.
sicknastydab dab oh, i get it now! you misunderstood me. the acronym “mlm” in the lgbt community doesn’t mean multi level marketing, but “male loves male”. basically mlm are men who feel attraction to other men(aka bi and gay men). as a bi man, i see this show as insulting, because it’s treating me like a marketable item instead of a person. i never realised the acronym could’ve meant something else, this is hilarious! lmao
Season 1 was stupid if taken seriously but It had a consistent plot and was entertaining overall. The other seasons were a cluster fuck. Well, at least season 4 was hilarious if you take it as an overly produced shitpost
At most, the show should have ended after season 2. At least season 2 does connect back to the first season with the court case and testimonies being revolved around Hannah Baker's suicide, which was the main plot of the book/first season with finding out the reasons as to why she took her life. I don't understand why seasons 3 and 4 are there because they literally do not connect with Hannah's story at all.
Wouldnt that be horrible though? Imagine hearing on the intercome "We are having a lochdo-" and then it suddunely cuts off. Yall would think the intercom guy got shot of something?!
@@magzjay2458 do you mean the staff or the parents? because from what i've read, the parents find out after the fact and the staff cannot share anything on the matter.
@@KaneK1234 I honestly know none that do it even remotely close to this extent, but yes if I saw a show glorifying a mental health issue I would take issue with it no matter what the show, because it's a very sensitive issue that needs to be handled correctly or it could cause disasterous effects
This show starts all sorts of conversations. Like... "Wow that's a very poor depiction of mental health" "Damn, this plot makes no sense!" or my favourite "Why are we watching this?"
@@vocalcalibration8033 least they could have done was say "it's just a prank bro" or send a rick roll the parents and say it was an important message...has that amount of seriousness to it.
As someone who attended an American school and had to go through a active shooter test drill at least once a year they tell you several times a day before it happens just to make sure no one is having mental break downs over the fact they're about to possibly be murdered
Re: The live shooter drill, my head canon is that the school sent out an announcement on the scheduled drill, and none of the main characters read it, and so they were freaking out as everyone else was just bored and checking their phones during the whole thing. Rather ruins the drama of the whole thing. :D
I like how every time clay threatens people with a gun he gets away with it. The other characters just think to themselves "oh clay, back with your silly gun again".
"That great prankster Clay Jensen threatening to shoot people. He's a riot."
These characters grow into the middle aged adult families and victims of the serial killers in Criminal Minds.
When the killers research their targets past and gives them the just desserts.😔
L Jeans Well, “just desserts” in the killers’ deluded perspectives
@@mechadoggy white privilege
@Gina it clearly does. Clay stole an officers gun but lived cuz he was white. If a black guy did that they'd kill him
I kinda wish this show went on for 10 more seasons, watching critics slam it annually has become a quaint little tradition over the years.
that guy over there HAH! GOOD ONE
I mean, if I was a director I could come up with ideas to stretch out of how Bryce Walker and Montgomery de la Cruz are doing around hell with Justin Foley. But that is about it. Asides from just doing a literal spin off and revamping it kind of like the same approach of General Hospital. But many Hospital shows are kind of boring at this point. Except for The Good Doctor that portrays autism in the best accurate way possible instead of like pulling an Autism Speak misinforming a lot of people false stuff and being like Peta but to autistic people.
Nate DS same
I’m lo key hoping for that 5th season
true but its so dangerous, it's just pushing so much misinformation about mental illnesses. we really don't need that anymore in the media its bad enough as is
@@erin.19 yeah. That being said tho this show is such a joke now that I doubt anyone takes their messages seriously at all after the 1st season.
Should have went for 9 more seasons
Then we could call it
"13 seasons. Why"
LMAO
Nice one
They ran out of ideas and plus what would they talk about
@@G.A.O.GJay24 moons haunted by the girl who killed herself I can't remember what it is.
Yeah
Its a good thing she off'd herself in the first season, cause if she saw the way the series ended, it would have been 14 reasons why.
Damn
Underappreciated comment right here.
Bruh
I-
I would like this comment but it has 666 likes and I don't want to ruin that
“Oh no Justin faints because of his AIDS”
Is delivered Somehow unintentionally funnier than anything I’ve seen this year
Sounds like something that would happen to Rich Evans lol
@@warlordofbritannia AT-STs! AT-STs!
Directed by Vitaly Versaci
Yep, I'm almost embarrassed to admit that I cackled WAY too hard at his reading of that line! 😅🤣
"He's got snaids, a snake AIDS"
This show doesn't have character arcs, it has character lines.
Fucking bravo
You'd think if it was linear, there'd be more reason they couldn't mess it up. But HEEEEEEEY!
Arcs* and yes I agree
@@areyalight846 oh crap, thanks for pointing it out
"You're speaking insane things!" - The main character, season 3 idk which episode but Adum thought this line was funny.
I feel bad to anyone who's just trying to study in that highschool
Don't be silly. No one studies at that school.
@@dgm66 no one studies in netflix originals and they all somehow end up in top universities
I know right. I want to watch the show but I don’t want to watch kids having sex. I know high school kids have sex I just don’t want to watch kid characters in sexual situations. This show seems to really focus on their bodies trying to make it a “hot” scene like adult characters. I want to see pressures of test taking or school performances lol
Most of them are probably having a class only for the sounds of gunshots to be heard. The newer kids ask what's going on and the teachers and older students probably say "Oh just another school shooting. We get a lot of them at Liberty High. Just ignore it." Sunnydale High School from Buffy the Vampire Slayer had less of a body count and that town was full of vampires, demons, werewolves, ghosts, zombies and so on.
Now I want a show that is about the extras trying to live their lives but all the crap the main characters pull interfere with them
Thank you, 13 Reasons Why, for setting back understanding of HIV/AIDS 30 years.
No no no, see you misunderstand! He had SUPER aids!
He had dire aids
“This show has tackled some tough topics”
“Tackled” sure is a weird way of saying “Butchered”.
No i think "Tackled" is an apt term.
Stopped it from progressing and actively hurt it. Like a normal tackle would.
"Stumbled over" is the phrase that comes to mind.
Tackled like Bryce to Zach! 13 Reasons Why, shattering the kneecaps of contemporary social commentary.
Tackled them off a cliff with how badly they portrayed the topics.
It was an illegal tackle
"Start a conversation"
Ahh yes covering up murders, sympathizing with rapist, and glorifying suicide is definitely a good way to start a conversation.
Very interesting Conversation
Probably a conversation that would happen in jail.....
It would be nice to get it in writing...preferably signed.
Glorifying suicide??? I only watched the first 2 Seasons, wtf happened to the show?
@@extraterrestrialhorse9722 madness
“This show has tackled some tough topics”
More like romanticized them
Society...
Eva 01 That’s a great way to explain it
@@jacksonbrickmedia939 do we live in one?
@@eoincampbell1584 Amerikans certainly.
euphoria did what 13rw wanted to do
Can we talk more about my most hated part of this season, CLAY? Specifically, the fact that he never has to take responsibility for his actions...
1. Crashes Zack's car and leaves him for dead. Zack gets kind of mad at him part of the next episode and that ends quickly.
2. Takes a cop''s gun and waves it around at a school full of students and faculty. Gets tackled by cops and checked into a mental facility but does not get arrested or charged.
3. Breaks out of a psych ward. He gets to go home.
4. Walks into a police station and screams he has a gun in front of multiple officers. A cop hugs him and sends him home.
5. This is all beyond the main portion of the season which is covering up the murder of Brice.
Is this kid legally immortal???
Doesn't take responsibility? he's too busy taking responsibility for everyone else lmao. Lets not forget he spent a whole season being suspected for murder AND arrested which contributed to his mental breakdown in season 4 because his "friends" decided to beat up and kill Bryce.
@@agtl3168 Let's back it up and ask the question of why Clay was being suspected in the first place? It's because he continuously made himself look guilty. Every character in the show had issues with Brice even before the rape situation but while they all were frustrated by this student that got away with so much because he came from a rich family and starting quarterback, none of them went to the guy's house threatening to kill him (which was caught on camera) or screaming threats to the guy in the halls of the school full of students. That was all Clay. His friends were pretty much suspects because they associated with Clay. The final season broadens his issues dramatically but he was by no means perfect before. Even this guy points out that walking in front of Tyler holding a gun was a dumb idea, and not reporting the situation was even worse (that second part you can also contribute to the rest of the cast). Bottom line, he does so much crap throughout the show, but this last season pretty much took his one or two illegal activities a season and cranked it up with not a single repercussion.
@@seanpariser7300 Yes they did. Justin threatened to kill Bryce multiple times, other kids did, even the mother did. And yes, walking infront of the gun WAS a dumb idea. However, you're missing context. Had it been anyone else Clay would have never done that, but it was Tyler. And Clay knew deep down that Tyler didn't really want to go through with that. You wanted Clay to report the situation and have Tyler possibly kill multiple people before the cops show up, or have no one die? The idea might have been stupid, but that doesn't matter because the end result was perfect. No one died. Clay did some stupid things, suffering with his mental health, but idunno why people point that out, when Zach and Alex literally got away with beating and killing Bryce. Hell, Bryce literally got away with rape LOL
@@agtl3168 I'm gonna have to disagree. Yes, it is true that more than just Clay threatened Brice, but Clay broadcasted his hatred of Brice to the world and on multiple occasions. Merely threatening Brice was only a single example of how much the writers allowed Clay to get away with. As far as "Clay knowing deep down that Tyler didn't want to go through with that", that idea is more of an assumption. I would like to think that any kid who brings weapons to their school do not want to go through with the action, but that is sometimes true and sometimes wishful thinking. Think of the torture Tyler went through with Monte. I would never condone shooting up a school but from what the audience knows, we can slightly understand where his actions are coming from. Back to Clay, he is reckless beyond comparison to the others. Most of his problems would go away if he simply told his very successful parents. He probably has the most stable family (mentally and financially) out of all the characters. His Dad is a dam psychologist for crying out loud, and his Mom is a lawyer. Even Justin, the guy who lets men have their way with him to score drugs can see that. They come into his life and he is going to rehab and caring about his grades. As far as the others go, I just think the writers were having too much fun adding in random crap like Zack and Alex destroying a principle's office or even Zack's alcoholism (which slightly makes sense until we remember this guy is supposed to be a 17-year-old kid). All-in-all, Clay is the only character that actively makes trouble for himself and others and as I said before, never has to take responsibility for his actions.
Props of being a main protagonist
At least, in theory idk-
Man, I never knew the life of a 24 year old teenager could be so rough.
Lol 😂
Guessing you missed dawson's creek?
They are human beans too
Guess you missed Buffy the vampire slayer?
It's very hard being a manchild,, Nobody would understand the struggles-
"We're trying to tell the stories of real teenagers" *bugs crawl out of face*
I well remember my teenage years of having spiders crawl out of my mouth every other day. Good times.
Wait bugs don’t crawl out of your face?
..Weird
It was so corny here. I kept thinking about that Spongebob episode where Squidward is being taken on some acid trip into horror by the Flying Dutchman where a large figure of Spongebob literally had spiders crawl out of his face.
@@Lauren_210 I remember that episode. Where Spongebob suggested that the Dutchman scare Squidward so he pretended to be Squidward's mother saying "WHY HAVEN'T YOU CALLED ME?"
LMAO 😭
I thought Clay's face in the thumbnail was photoshopped. I don't think I had ever seen him emote that hard.
This show is so cringe lmao
It isn’t photoshopped??
I'm surprised you can make any sort of emotion
@@Ebbabubbla he said he thought it is
Wait, it's not? It seems like something Pyro would make a thumbnail of.
If it were real life, Clay would be spending the next 15-20 years in prison based on what happens in the last season alone.
I feel him nearly killing himself and Zach in that car crash alone would’ve got him 10-15 years
@@ajslam1999 you can get prison time for trying to kill yourself?😂
@Ks (Funny to see you again)
When was the attempted rape though? You mean when he was standing in that room with the asleep girl or am I forgetting a scene?
But yeah, that boy would soooo rot in prison for the rest of his life. Accessory for murder can get you thirty years alone.
For any non-Americans wondering - yes we do have lockdown drills in the States. BUT they, like all other drills (e.g. fire, tornado), are ALWAYS announced beforehand, typically at the start of the school day. The drill can happen at any time that day, but it's for the exact reason seen in the show that everyone is forewarned.
Anyways, f this show
Huh I live in America too but our school would randomly have lockdowns and fire drill once every month. And they were never announced for us
It’s the same in the uk except we have a specific time and we would be told
E T it’s told to the teachers. In the show even the teachers don’t know
@@et5216 I'm not sure that's normal. I've been to at least 13 or 14 schools and we were always informed.
other drills arent always announced beforehand tho. once my school made a surprise fire drill and even set off smoke from the construction site on campus to convince us all it was real.
Why are these people so obsessed with "starting a conversation"?
Because that's Netflix's defence against any criticism of the show. Even though nobody watches episodes of this then turns to each other and starts talking about suicide and how to stop it. That's just Netflix giving themselves too much credit and thinking they're more important than they are.
Because they have nothing else to say, they dont know how actual teenagers think or behave so its not like they can say they relate to anyone, they arent helping anyone, if anything they are causing MORE harm, and even they know the show isnt entertaining so they cant even say its all for the sake of drama
If I was an actor on this series (I would leave if I could but im sure all of them are chained by contracts) I would just refuse any interviews about the show, even if im not allowed to trash it id at least not praise it
Because you and me and tons of people are introverts and we dont like conversations.
It’s just modern day slacktavism spun in a positive light.
@@returded-dipstick8209 Yeah, Team Introvert
Clay literally had a personality disorder and extremely detailed hallucinations, to the point that he could even communicate with his hallucinations (possibly some form of schizophrenia).
He was also clearly mentally unstable to a degree that he's a danger to others, considering he set up explosions without even being aware of his actions.
These kinds of issues need extensive medication, and possibly the care of a closed psychiatric facility. This isn't the kind of thing that can be resolved by saying goodbye to Hannah and getting a new girlfriend.
The fact that this show treats such extremely serious mental illnesses so casually yet still claims to be informative, and more than just cheap drama, seriously makes me mad 凸(⊙▂⊙✖)
Your point is severely undercut by the emoticon at the end.
But I agree, this show handles sensitive topics about as well as an elephant handles a bag of chips.
@@sirapple589 You sound like a grammar professor-
@@sirapple589 Ah yes because facial expressions *never* help communication, do they? （。々°）
Ironic Kid
Nah, if I was a grammar professor I would have mentioned the misspelling of cheap as “cheep”.
@@sirapple589 tnx, english isn't my first language so I appreciate the grammar professor in this case
(I still like to use emoticons for emphasis every once in a while though, I don't think that they are necessarily detrimental to a point as long as it isn't overdone)
The show should've ended with it being revealed that Hannah Baker is still in the bath imaging that all this would happen if she killed herself and so she decides not to.
Thats actually.. Very clever..
dang she would be a prune by then...but that's a good way to end it
@@billybutcher582 No, it's terrible. But better than this
Duuuuuuuude that would have been such a mind blow
That would have been hilariously bad. It would have been better than the real ending, but still silly because it would mean Hannah daydreamt years into the future, including inventing characters she has never met before.
The best bit is because season 4 is so farfetched and detached from season 1, there's be no way Hannah could predict all of that shitshow unless she had no logical cause-effect thinking skills.
ADVISORY FOR ALL NON-AMERICANS:
this show is nowhere near how 99.9% of american schools/teens are. hollywood loves to do this with most social/political issues. it's rarely done in an honest or constructive way and just feels like propaganda by the end.
TLDR; this whole show sucks
Of course it's not like a real America. Did they caught even one catfish with bare hands through all four seasons? No? Not real, then.
@@ЭрикКартман-ч4ю There's a disturbing lack of cheeseburger hot dog pizza as well, we Americans eat it for breakfast, lunch, and dinner every day!
Wait, so you're telling me that teenagers in the USA are *not* sexy 21-year-olds who go on drug orgies every other day? Hollywood wouldn't lie to me like that!
I love how this thread is just making fun of my country.
GilCAnjos teenagers and sexy should not be in the same sentence unless saying teenagers are not sexy
Here's a hot take:
You know how every episode this season starts with one of them giving a eulogy at the funeral of a character that is revealed to be Justin?
As far I'm concerned, it should've been Clay. Why?
First off, I'm fucking tired of doing whatever he fucking wants without consequences.
Secondly, Justin's death happened so that they could have a dramatic, emotional finale, let's be honest with ourselves.
Finally, and here's my real point, it feels like it'd be a natural conclusion for Clay. Think about it: starting from Hannah Baker's suicide, here's been on an absolute downward spiral, and the fact that he himself had unchecked mental issues didn't help his case. I could go on, but I just feel it'd be more.... organic, and less of a slap to the face if the funeral was for someone who died as a direct result of the events of the season.
Also it'd finally give some consequences to Hannah's beyond-the-grave punch to maybe, finally, at last, suggest it wasn't the best thing to do.
Justin deserves bettet
It shoulda been Zach.
I agree. It should have been clay. It didn't make sense for them to kill off Justin. Especially since they spent season 2 trying to 'rehabilitae' him after being on the streets and try to give him remorse. This whole show is a mess now lmao
I'd rather have 13 Raisins. And I don't even really like raisins.
13 Doritos is my go-to solution for everything.
Best comment.
13 cheeto puffs
13 lays chips
13 Raisins! Why?
It baffles me how Clay can literally do anything he wants without facing any consequences 😐
If he stole Hannah's body from its grave or something it'd just be brushed off as "It's OK. He really loved her."
@@Xehanort10 😂😂 your so fucking right man
But he’s a human bean
He's a Gary Stu basically. Portrayed as perfect and flawless, treated like he can do no wrong and like he's always right and can get away with anything.
Same,with no consequences i could kill more people than ww2 and could destoy entire nation and walk in tge streets with no one caring,but that wont stop people calling me ugly or attaing reputation
Clay: “I shit the bed”
The writers of 13 Reasons Why: “Wait that’s our line”
Shouldn´t it be "I shat the bed"?
Lol
Or is it something he does on a regular basis (which wouldn't surprise me, given the scenes I saw of him)
Bet Tyler shits the bed too considering what happened to him and that poor mop
Jack Swan ..... was that supposed to be funny?
How did this show get 4 seasons? Wasn’t 1 season enough?
Wasn’t the pitch enough?
money
Heros are the ones that suffer so other don’t have to.
Wasn’t one actor enough?
i'm surprised they didn't make 13 seasons
Hey, remember when this show was about teenagers dealing with the aftermath of a girl who committed suicide and left clues to explain why she did it?
Even then, it was still awful. Suicidal people wouldn't leave tapes behind like some big master plan. It's so melodramatic and unrealistic, it's disgusting
@@cryguy0000 Yeah it was bad but we aren't saying it was good we are just demonstrating how much the show has changed from it's original course and plot just because Netflix wants to milk it dry so much
@@cryguy0000 There's nothing disgusting about a fictional drama not being realistic. They went too far with the suicide scene, but there's nothing else that's worth getting offended by.
No me neither-
@@TheFire1290 the suicide scene isnt the issue. The story is the issue. There is a trigger warning for softy’s which can’t watch the scene. It’s the entire story that falls short. It’s over dramatized for the message they are trying to convey. If they just said this was a normal show that wasn’t raising awareness (which it isn’t) then it would be fine. It’s just for entertainment. But no, they sold it off as they’re trying to raise awareness for issues in the world. Which is false, they just needed a security net to fall back on if they took heat for the show.
I love how Justin, though he had little to do with the main plot, was the one character who actually made an effort to change and become a better person, ended being the one dying.
And HIV doesn't usually progress to AIDS and kills so fast. Nowadays people survive decades and decades without symptoms. It was so out of nowhere and forced.
Right!!!!!!!!! I was so angry about that.
this show should've ended in season 1 they're just milking money off of it while acting as if they care about such deep topics.
Stranger Things who?
Smh
@@BryantheArchivist The Duffer Brothers said (when the show begin) it would end at around season 4-5. They have a story in mind and I think we should let them finish telling it before we judge it.
They never cared about the topics, they just said they did to get cheap virtue points.
@@dairycow4466 It's a disingenuous comparison anyway. Though the quality varies from season to season, every single season of Stranger Things is objectively better than anything after season 1 of 13 reasons. Writing, directing, acting, all better by miles. People might not like the story, or the characters of Stranger things, but the quality is undeniably better than seasons 2,3, and 4 of 13 reasons.
Wait I thought this show was about how a girl killed herself and they were trying to find out all the reasons she killed herself??? What happened?
Everything wrong happened 🙂
For some reason they thought "Lets do another season!" and I guess it go them viewers/money.
S2 showed us what happened after the whole town heard the tapes , the show was suppose to end there but Netflix is bad
Yeah, what happened was they said, oh lets have a 3rd and 4rth season that have no relevance to anything and mention hannah a total of like 4 times :)
this exactly
"Can you imagine the tension between a son, who has murdered someone, and his cop dad who's dedicated his life to law and order"
Death Note
^ Exhibit A of competent storytelling
Well he never found out.
Microwave yeah but he honestly thought he was innocent when he died. It is almost better he didn’t find out.
R.I.P Soichiro
Dude, Death Note did it amazingly.
What even was the message of killing Justin? I used to think his character was sending the message that no matter how hard a person messes up in life or is broken, there is always HOPE for a better path by making the right choices. But when they killed him, they shattered everything of that message.
I think it is clear to say that this show has no other point than to show tragedy. It is just written by a bunch of sadists who believe people are destined to live in a cruel world
I think it was, they just decided to go back on it for more shock.
yeah, it was barely any follow-up on any tragic things happening, it's only for fillers, money, shoCkK
My guess is they had nothing left to do with his character and wanted to (poorly) tackle yet another serious issue.
It sent the message that no matter how hard you try, some people are just destined to be the supporting character to a rich white cishet boy. Preferably make said supporting character an ethnic minority or gay (or both)
IHE's why I hate 13 reasons why is literally a miniseries at this point
At three twenty-minute episodes? How?
We need 9 more episodes. At least one of them needs to be about the book.
fits together better than the show
of course he would make another series after the sucess that was the destiny one
does anyone know the name of the video where IHE strangles a minion in his front pocket (NOT sexually)?
Aren't visual hallucinations supposed to be extremely rare? And yet everyone in this show seems to have them all the time
No, they're real ghosts. Don't believe what you see. The System and Big-Thirteen-Reasons-Why are lying
Not necessarily, while schizophrenics experience mostly auditory hallucinations (it is why a lot of them think god is talking to them), visual hallucinations aren’t uncommon.
It is a response to grief, but it is very rare for it to be seen the way it is, unless in someone with a psychotic disorder in which hallucinations are a common thing. Normally with grief, it would be momentarily mistaking someone for the deceased, or seeing them out of the corner of your eye, but the moment they start talking is when there's a serious problem and get help immediately.
I have schizophrenia, and my experience isn’t ubiquitous, but I’ve never had a true visual hallucination. Only mistaking silhouettes for other things
That’s how it is in 13 Reasons Why land.
So basically, this show continuing after the first season is like having The Odyssey continue after Odysseus returns to Ithaca and kills the suitors, only now we follow along his daily life as he does his grocery shopping and fights with his neighbors
Well remember Virgil's the aeneid
Um I will come back to this comment in a few months when I have to read that book
Pretty much.
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It honestly would have better if they had started over with new characters in a different school dealing with someone else's suicide/murder/schoolsh00ting. There are so many other directions for the show to go. Idk why Netflix is so set on only using these boring ass characters who would have already graduated high school by now and who would have totally forgotten about Hannah almost entirely.
It would've been better if they'd dropped a nuke on the town so that the characters and their worthless "problems" could've evaporated into the nothingness they deserved.
I agree. In the first season I was pretty sure that they were all juniors and the show made it seem that way, but somehow they were only freshman? I think they had to do that to keep the show going and so they could make a season for each year of their high school class but still it was a major plot hole, but can't really blame them because they probably did not plan on making 3 more seasons before the first season came out.
@@graham121 that's probably true I bet they didn't know they were going to get more seasons but like I said they could have gotten creative and had Clay transfer schools because of all the drama that happened or just start over with whole new characters. That's what I would have done. The story from that school was already told and wrapped up. There are just so many other more interesting characters and stories they could have told if they ditched the characters from the first season. Or if they'd still focused on that school but a different grade and different students than they did. I was so looking forward to the second season I thought for sure it was going to go in a school sh00ter direction. I think this show in particular makes me so angry because I can see the potential it had. It was a show that wasnt afraid to show a suicide or talk about it. They could have even based the second season off a different young adult book like Speak or Insatiable. I feel like that would have been a really cool direction to take it in. Insatiable is an amazing book but no one ever talks about it. It follows four different highschool girls living four different lives with four different types of eating disorders and they all go to the same school but most of them don't know each other. It would have been so interesting and cool to do that.
@@WhitneyDahlin I completely agree. I think the reason why the first 2 seasons where amazing and it was a downward spiral after that was just because it got too unrealistic and the story had already been told. The first 2 seasons focused on actual issues that many high schoolers experience but once it got to the point of murdering a rapist then blaming the murder on another rapist and all the other crazy stuff that happened in the later seasons it just was way more unrealistic. The shows original purpose was to show the real serious problems that high schoolers face, but elaborately covering up a murder, multiple people having full on visual hallucinations, and all the other wild stuff that happened just made the show worse in my opinion. I think they should've gone a different direction with the storyline after it was pretty much wrapped up at the end of season 2. I like your idea of focusing on a different grade or students we never knew at Liberty, that would've been cool. I think it would've been really interesting if they focused on the adults in the show while they were in high school and what they had to deal with growing up. Maybe they could've focused on Mr. and Mrs. Jensen, Mrs. Baker, Tony's parents, and Mr. Walker. or if they did this as a spin off show after all 4 seasons they could've also shown Ani's mom, Clay's therapist, Sheriff Diaz, etc. Overall I think it would be cool to see this idea for a show, showing real high school struggles, in a different way instead of continuing to have to make the storyline crazier and crazier to the point where it's unbelievable just to add more seasons. Honestly the best direction they could've taken after season 2 would've been to just start over with a whole new plot with new characters, a new location, and tackling different issues. I think it was just lazy writing to just create content in the last 2 seasons in my opinion. Sorry if this is too much to read haha I just enjoy writing about it because I loved the show and don't have anyone to talk to about it.
I don’t think the characters are boring
Justin dying from instant aid makes me so pissed. HIV/Aids can be managed today and even if it does progress it doesn’t mean instantaneous death
Omg, I’m like, what is this... the 80’s? There’s no more instant AIDS death anymore. 🙄.
Lmaooo also its not like he was old and frail. I honestly forgot he died. Damn what a forgettable show.
And it is usually not AIDS itself that kills you, but rather some other disease, since AIDS severely represses your immune system.
Yeah this show is like 30 years behind in that regard. HIV/AIDS is so much more manageable than it ever has been before. I haven’t seen this show but it made it seem like he died only a few months after finding out he had it. Another example of the writers just trying to shove every social issue they can into a show until it’s bloated.
Yeah, HIV can be managed today, HIV is no longer a death sentence, just about everyone with treatment have normal life spans.
I would say that the show should’ve just ended after Season 1, but really, it shouldn’t have been made in the first place. Netflix had no idea how to handle the topic of suicide (they went directly against the recommended guidelines for portraying suicide).
What baffles me is they hosted Bojack horseman, a show that dealt with heavy topics in an infinitely better way
Netflix has some really good shows but the majority is complete garbage
bill murray is a banana well you gotta remember just because it’s made by netflix, doesn’t mean it has the same writers! 13rw was a shit show unlike bojack
The fact they killed Justin for no reason, covered up a school shooting incident, blamed a murder on someone innocent who then died in prison, and ALL of them get a random happy ending is making hate each and every person behind this show. How did anyone look at the script and say " Yeah this is fine" ???????
They must have been on so many drugs.
This show should be an example on how not to write a story.
Uhhh Monty wasn’t innocent in the slightest. Guy violated Tyler with a mop handle, tried to encourage Alex to kill himself, tried to kill Clay, put a sex doll on someone’s porch to re-enforce their traumatic assault experience.
Otherwise I agree
When Jessica sees Bryce standing in the forest like a roblox character I cried 😢
It would be much better if he T-posed
Dominik Guzowski shut up redditor
@@firesaint4569 bro wtf was that for?
@@januaryravelo4342 Ikr
@@januaryravelo4342 reddit tier humour
What I want to know is how they managed to get into the colleges they applied to when they had murders/rapes/potential school shootings/ghosts etc going on. When did they have time to focus on their academic studies?
Clearly they had tests and homework based on murders/rapes/potential school shootings/ghost
Have you seen their houses? Those fuckers are rich and most likely got in on that alone. Plus Clay’s dad is a professor. That might something. Idfk.
To summarise why this show is actually horrible:
1. Characters don’t have personalities, they are defined by their mental illness ( which is very contradicting because the show wanted the moral to be that people aren’t defined by their mental illness)
2. It’s basically a checklist, trying to fit in every single issue in one show.
3. The story isn’t progressive (since season 1 at least) none of the characters grow and learn.
4. It has no real message, basically what they’re saying is: there is bad stuff in the world, it sucks.
And that’s just a few of the reasons, despite this I did actually enjoy season 1 of this show, but every other season is dragging the show on for too long to try and make more money off of it. It should’ve ended at season 1 in my opinion, but even that season certainly had its faults.
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Dear everyone replying basically saying: no, you can’t think that! You have to think what I think!
Please relax and let me have my opinion and you can have yours, there is no point in trying to start an argument because I simply won’t reply. If my comment is really that horrible to you than just keep scrolling.
very well put, especially #1
I still love this show lol
I still believe that Justin was the only character that actually outgrew his shortcomings... and then he died.
actually justin had character development.
@@alexb.9369 hey man good for you.
"Staht a convosahtion"
Reality: make money off mental issues while acting like youre being different
Such an awkward and clumsy attempt of portraying mental health, it's so implausible that it makes the issue almost laughable...oh and it suddenly becomes a horror movie halfway through too
The whole show was about Hannah Baker. How’d it go into a murder mystery fight club rip-off after that
Carl Wheezer You mean like Mr Robot did? Yet I bet everyone here likes that show.
@@KaneK1234 I don’t watch that show but it has rami Malik and he can make even the shittiest of movies be good so idk
Carl Wheezer I really don’t know how that is a valid answer. What makes his acting better than anyone else’s?
this whole show is such a clusterfuck of a dumpster fire, that i totally forgot it was about the tragic story about a girl taking her own life.
When did that happen?
Keychain696 season 1
@@Saiaxs But Jeff wasn't a girl who took her own life
Keychain696 wat
@@Keychain696 who tf is Jeff?
And on the far opposite end, we have BoJack Horseman, a more realistic take on mental health and suicide. When you're less realistic than a talking horse, maybe the showrunners need to just retire.
That show was TOO real sometimes
Just saying
The View From Halfway Down
Has the strongest anti suicide message I've seen in ANY media, the lines of the poem being delivered with more terror and urgency as it represents getting closer to the ground is impactful and stays with you. Who would ever want to feel that kind of fear.
Thats how you do anti suicide
I feel like Bojack works because as much as it is a look into mental illness and other heavy themes, it’s also a comedy. So all the crazy stuff that happens doesn’t feel out of place. It also knows when to ground itself for the serious moments
I went into BoJack because "haha funny animated horse" but man, they managed to find all my biggest and deepest fears and made me rethink my life and outlook on the world. It would be incredibly hard to ever top that show
Afterlife is also a really amazing, but I'm not sure if it's on Netflix outside of the UK
"Oh no! Justin faints because of his AIDS!" was the funniest thing I have ever heard
Best line ever
That’s that deadpan British humor right there
@@zakariahborenyi5717 true that
Does anybody remember when this show was about a girl committing suicide?
IT WAS?!
I'm kidding. This show was a waste of time.
TBH I completely forgot what the show was actually about.
@stalli chan 😂😭 nah hush
Now it's about Clay being nuts, everyone being gay and damn ghosts haunting people.
Gardosuro dont forget murder
The most offensive thing about the show is how it acts like some revolutionary resource for learning when in reality it's some awful convoluted teen drama with zero self-awareness.
exactly
It's Riverdale if Riverdale took itself too seriously.
Yeah,you can Say what you want About Riverdale but at least they are self-aware if being dumb and stupid
The inclusion of the “ghosts” strikes me as someone who doesn’t know how to write inner-turmoil/conflict creating an excuse for characters to just say their inner monologue out loud w/o it having any plot consequence or bearing on their actual relationships. Which is particularly cheap considering they already have an opportunity to do this with the narrator.
I don’t envy having to actually sit through this show, but it’s been a hell of a lot of fun to hear about it secondhand.
Caesar
Jk, 13 reasons why was trash
I know, adding ghosts to the story is just corny, and while Clay being able to speak to deceased characters in public was one thing, suddenly EVERYONE seems to be able to converse with ghosts now and nobody even questions their mental health! 👻🤦🏻♀️
Adding ghosts can be done REALLY well when added properly. Narcos perfectly pulls it off when Pablo talks to his cousin Gustavo at the end of his life on the run. You just have to make sure that it fits the personality of the characters involved, fit the tone, and not be used as a crutch or blatant exposition. If you can write a ghost in to help a character during a moment of moral weakness, despair, poor perspective, or similar internal conflicts you can create a really impactful SCENE (keyword). Overuse and misuse just churns out this kind of melodramatic fluff
There’s a kind of “ghost” character in Next to Normal, which was mentioned, but there it actually made sense I think. The character was supposed to represent the mental illnesses of the characters, and how the death of that character still looms over the characters after so many years. This also kind of acts as a sort of inner monologue or inner turmoil, but they’re still their own character. The ghosts in 13 reasons why acted more as different facets of the character they haunt, but in the musical they seem more complicated than that. Idk, that’s just my opinion. It’s honestly one of my favorite musicals, so I suggest whoever is reading this to check it out :P
Jackson Smith This makes me think of Dexter - Harry, Dexter’s adopted father, exists as a source of grounding for Dexter’s personality, which is inherently devoid of empathy
I feel like Dylan Minette didn't deserve this lol, he seems like such a nice guy and his music is incredible.
The only way that actor can redeem himself is to at least pretend he only did it for the money. At a certain point any reasonable thinking person in his position what is least have to question what is going on. Like how do you have a minimum of 10 different main character costar actors and have them not talk to each other the entire time and at least five of the conversations throughout this entire series between them be “ lol the script says what”. The show is just astronomically moneygrubbing and makes Tele Novelas seem tame in comparison.
Agreed. I wouldn't say he didn't deserve this though, as he loved being in the show and wanted it to continue, lmao.
Dylan loved working on this show
I ate a really good sandwich today
Understandable have a nice day
Nice
You go dude
I love your content but I would like less 13 reasons why videos
Don’t mean to be rude though
Epic
American here: lockdown drills do happen, but it's nothing like the show. Usually it's more like, the teacher tells you a drill is gonna happen followed by everyone moving out of view of the doors and windows and turning the lights off. The biggest "fear" involved is the teacher getting mad or getting in trouble because you were giggling too loud while making quiet dick jokes. Typically an officer will walk around the building and make sure he can't see or hear anyone hiding in the classrooms and that the doors are locked. Not scary, and not even remotely the same as portrayed by this garbage show.
Canadian here: it's similar but it's treated a bit more seriously. Most of the time the staff just jiggle the doorknob a bit and bang on the door before moving on. But I know it's not as dramatic as the show potrays it to be.
Teachers have notified us every time we have done a lockdown drill. They tell us precisely what is going to happen.
DUDEABOT6000 oh shit I almost forgot that we had school shooting drills, at the time it seemed so normal and just apart of life instead of an issue that needed to be solved lmao
i had a mentally scarring lockdown in 3rd grade where they announced that it was a "red jaguar lockdown" (the code word for a real lockdown in our school), i remember being in a classroom with 3 other kids and a teacher who couldn't tell us what was going on for some reason. We ended up praying because some kid was scared that if he died he would end up in hell and so we sat there, crying, shaking, and praying with each others hands in our own hands, with the lock down sirens blaring, until it ended. It turns out that it was a fucking bear, it wasn't spotted even near the school, it was just in the general vicinity, i get having the kids be put into classrooms just in case but having a full lockdown and not being allowed to tell them whats happening, thats horrible.
Mckenzie Murdoch yeah they do the same thing in my school and I’m American
Wasn’t this show once about figuring put who/what caused a girl to kill herself?
Well yes
The writer of the book clearly envisioned Cyborg Bryce as they wrote it.
That’s what they wanted you to think
Well it was once a book meant for young adults about different topics like suislide, gayness, sexual assault etc.
It doesn’t work to stretch out the plot of a show that’s focused entirely on one plot because it ends up feeling like a completely different show
"Starting a conversation" "Important for dealing with heavy topics"
Actually, ya know what's *really* important for dealing with topics like these? Dear Evan Hansen. Why? Because it portrays these characters as actual people, both Evan and Connor aren't *meant* to be sympathized with. Evan was a dick and pushed everyone who cared about him behind and Connor was very abusive to his sister and just straight up a monster to his parents. And they most certainly don't get away with everything in the way that Clay does. Connor is ostracized by his peers and his entire family hates him, and it's well deserved. Evan Hansen also doesn't get the forgiveness of anyone but his mom, which again, is well deserved. It portrays mental illness far better than 13 reasons why ever could
Absolutely. Though the format that Dear Evan Hansen took means that many people will never even know that it exists.
For those that don’t know Justin is played by the only actual gay actor in the show.
They killed the only gay actors character off with AIDS...
The actor playing Alex is actually also gay in real life as well.
it is like poetry, it rhymes.
😑
thats rough buddy
What about the dude that liked Hannah’s poem
you guys remember that one episode in adventure time where it's revealed that ice king has memory loss and he used to take care of marceline before the war and marceline tries to get him to remember but he can't and they sing a song at the end and the lyrics were about ice king's struggle to keep his sanity due to basically needing the crown to survive and how he's sorry if he doesnt remember her and does bad things???
that short 11minute episode taught me more about mental health than all of 13 reasons why
I think just the song taught more (correct things) about mental health.
@FALLING STAR 13 reasons why sucked after episode 1
@@lelduck6388 ye. Rather than having like ice king shot then he suddenly doesn't remember finn and jake or whatever
you see.... Adventure time is a good show. This isnt
@@mts9266 to this day i am still baffled as to how 14 year old white girls eat this shit up
Bojack Horseman had a more powerful anti-suicide message shown in three minutes than this show did in 4 damned seasons.
You can say that again
Lol
The View from halfway down poem is all you need to realise that suicide is not the way. It's all you need.
@@niksterkai4303 that poem was so memorable. The ones that succeeded but regretted it halfway in, you'll never hear.
I would disagree. I don’t think putting immense fear of death into the viewer is a virtuous way of stopping anyone from committing suicide.
the part that most bothered me was that clay kept doing such crazy things. and getting away with it! he stole gun and threatened a police station. he crashed a car and dipped. he escaped an insane asylum
In the US we have lockdown drills about once a month were the teachers would block out all windows/lock the door and we would sit on the floor where it would be hardest to see us from the door. A janitor would then come by and check that the door was locked. Students aren't allowed to talk during the lockdown. Everyone is aware that whenever a lockdown is called it is nearly impossible that it isn't a drill.
seriously what school would announce a school shooter when most students are not in a classroom (most susceptible places like hallways bathrooms and library. not tell anyone and make no effort to announce when they notice panic of the students. so unrealistic school are terrifired of lawsuits and wont do anything like this that has such a high rate for random and bad stuff to happen, when they could easily announce it and cover thier tracks
to be fair during my 4 years my school had like 2-3 lockdowns (NOT drills) but they were all false alarms lmao
And yet despite doing this frequently, my class would never shut up and always failed the drills.
Lol at my school in Australia one year some teachers dressed up as criminals to check the doors and stuff during a lockdown drill but I guess they didn’t tell everyone and the cops where called and it turned into a real lockdown lmaoo
once a month?! here in Malaysia all the schools here might have fire drill like once a year and that's it. I cannot imagine how annoying it would be to have drill every month or the constant horrifying school shootings.
“you could’ve ruined my life”
and you could’ve killed him and all his friends?
Tyler the guy who instead of just wanting to shoot Monty and his friends, the guys who sodomised him with a mop wanted to shoot up the whole school saying that is hypocritical. He deserved to have his life ruined.
Tyler should've gone full Columbine 2.0 with Cyrus.
not just could've, he would've shot up the school if clay hadn't shopped him.
14:00 The way you said "Oh no! Justin faints because of his AIDS" made me laugh
Thank you for the replay button 😂💀
clay is one of the most unlikeable main characters in any tv show ive ever watched, completely insufferable.
True, he always acts like he's got such a moral high ground, and it's extremely annoying
To be fair I love to hate him because it's just so funny
Him and Hannah were so annoying
Didn't watch anything past the car crash. Clay and Zack died and everyone got arrested. The end.
I honestly think that would’ve been a better ending then what we got 😂
This made me laugh way too much 😂😂
Haha that's so funny🙄
@@wallcrawlerfan0586 It really is, unless you’re a die hard fan who can’t handle jokes.
@@nykerianash1590 😑
"they couldn't even think of thirteen reasons why to make another season"
this is the killer wit we are here for
Why is there more than one season for this. The entire purpose was to follow a dead girls thirteen audio tapes detailing why she committed suicide. That was wrapped up in the first season so why even have the other 3 seasons exist?
Because money
Shhhhhhhhmoneyyyyyyy
@@KevinLopez-fm9kz fair enough
Xei Bei Worse than money, setting an agenda and pushing an ideology
@@mechadoggy Why is that worse or even bad
I respected the novel. So much. The writing was... pretty good for 15 year old me. I mean, it fit the demographic. I like how the story ended too, it's Clay telling Skye not to take her life after noticing her mannerisms after listening to the tapes. It felt simple and open ended.
How did it become .... like this? It didn't need to be milked to so many seasons.
Netflix: money!
I feel I should say, as someone who’s actually been in a lockdown scenario where everyone thought there was a shooter on campus, and that we were in danger- people weren’t all shaking and crying and having emotional breakthroughs with ghosts. A few people cried, but everyone else was deadly quiet. Wanna know why? Because when something like that happens, there’s nothing you really can say, except to be quiet and hope for the best.
Basically, show dumb, writing dumber
Somebody wants to kill me! Better scream my personal information!
Omg when we had a false scare at my school (not a drill. Someone let a stranger on campus) every one was devising ways to attack the shooter and one kid had stapler. No one was crying or taking it seriously at all. Good thing it was false alarm or we all would have one Darwin's award.
Ploopy Cat Same sorta thing happened to me, a stranger brought a (super realistic) air soft gun onto my campus and it took like, over an hour to figure it out. I realize know that we were so ill prepared that had it been real, we would’ve TOTALLY DIED.
Also I remember that I stayed up late the night before doing my math homework, and all I could think was “I’m not gonna let that homework go to waste, if he comes in I’ll stab him.” I’d also win a Darwin Award
The One Piece Pirate Rap has started more conversations than this show ever has.
You know you love it
As it should
😂😂😂😂
Weird reference aha
We do have drills for those "lockdown situations" in America, but it's always confirmed to be a drill before it starts. Schools would never just randomly do a drill like that (at least mine never did), they'd tell the teachers at least a day before, which would inevitably lead the students to know. Heck, even when the announcement happens they specify that it's a drill.
So yeah, the only things this show got correct was: 'Suicide happens' and 'People feel emotions'
Also, a school that pulled that would risk a MASSIVE backlash from the parents once the kids told them. 13 Reasons Why really diminishes the impact that parents have towards the school system. Sure, parents are brushed under the rug when they don’t have any power to sue or when the school is in someone’s pocket, but such a massive event affecting multiple students would definitely not go unnoticed.
one time my school had a suspiciously long lockdown for 10 minutes. a girl had to be sent home because she broke down, thinking we’d die
What school do y’all go to, we don’t do that here down in the south 💀😂😂
bear bear if you mean in the southern US, yes, we do do drills
Yeah I went to high school and college in Texas
I just can't believe they ended it with everyone getting away with murder. They're a bunch of teenagers that got away with murder! not to mention the amount of anger, screaming, violent deaths and overall drama was waaayy over the top.
The only conversations that this show has started for me is how bad it is
I was thinking this.
Lol this is the most miserable high school I've ever seen
I'd kill myself too if I went there
Don't go to my middle school then, which was also a high school. This place will look like paradise in comparison.
@@sarcasticsparkles my school was the same and it was in a 3rd world country...still some of the best years of my life though
@Cliff racer. Clearly you’re not familiar with Bayside. Unless your in the core group, you disappear.
Never mind, they’re the same.
Frr and I say this as a person whose school is run by a karen (pls save us)
This totally would’ve suited being an overly cheesy broadway show ...
it would just be a shitty version of dear evan hansen
@@smelly6137 Or Spring Awakening
defaultpigeon Dear Evan Hansen is already shitty Dear Evan Hansen
Like Heather? Sounds cool
13 Reasons Why was the revolutionary attempt to make soap operas that appealed to modern teens. It failed miserably because it didn't know it was a soap opera, but it's landmark in TV history will remain forever.
“Don’t cry because it happened, smile because it ended.” Seuss doctor
Good one
That has to be the most counter productive lockdown drill of all time.
"Let's train our students to panic and have mental breakdowns when we have lockdowns. That should keep them nice and safe."
A sick head canon of mine thinks the Teachers probably put cameras and watched the students' chaos like it's a film
Ive been through regular drills and a scenario where a false alert was called. During the drill, everybody in class was making jokes and taking it very casually. During the false alert, police came by with their guns drawn and we were legit scared for their lives but still quietly joked with eachother about our last words and dying wishes as a way to cope. People recorded videos of themselves and texted their friends and families. No one made phone calls crying for help and no one started panicking or screaming. We all just hid and kept quiet. This show is fucking insane.
NGL that sounds kinda fun
The Dead Meme yeah um crying and calling for help would alert the shooter😶
Gracekim21 nah there’s gonna be that one person who screams and stuff letting the shooter know , fight or flight I guess but instead just yelling
in actual lockdown drills they literally tell you it's a drill and it's nowhere near as dramatic as shown in this show lol
edit: apparently they don't tell you at some schools, personally I've never experienced it but it doesn't really surprise me that this actually happens
Not true. They are wildly inconsistent across America, as our police forces are. They can be overly dramatic and sometimes they don't inform the students.
Look into news stories about these lockdown drills getting out of hand, with parents and teachers lobbying complaints.
You actually made me defend this trash show. SMH
@@dirrdevil oh at my school nobody gives a shit
@@alyssalouard8549 same
At my school they dont tell us but there isn't fake fucking guns being fired either
Clorox Bleach actually i read that some schools do have unannounced drills where masked "intruders" shoot blanks or rubber pellets. seems pretty traumatizing.
An unexpected intruder drill with ACTIVE FIRE would NEVER pass in America (despite what Europeans tend to believe). Parents would be too pissed off and they would DEFINITELY have a lawsuit on their hands
actually, believe it or not, some schools actually do. they're called ALICE drills. they have masked intruders shoot blanks or rubber pellets, and often, they are unannounced.
parents, students and educators have all complained from what i can tell. it's incredibly traumatizing for both the staff (who know its a drill) and the students, who sometimes do not.
@@sadezem991 I had the ALICE system for school safety in my private middle school and we never had anything like what was shown in the show. Not sure if that was because it was middle school, but it really does not seem like that would go over well if it was happening. I have read that they have used active shooter drills in the past, in the recent years following the Columbine tragedy, but I feel like those types of drills are probably not still happening just because of the trauma it causes
They did have an active shooter drill at my high school, but it was a charter school that helped train students to become cops, 911 dispatch, EMT, and CSI so I feel like it’s a little different
The end got me thinking, there's no way the students in these dramatized highschools would be able to maintain good grades with all the pressure their always in, especially not the main cast. I can say from experience that for the average person: maintaining excellent scholarly pursuits while under the pressure of serious negative feelings like guilt, depression, or abandonment is nearly impossible. At least half of the main cast wouldn't have gotten into their dream university if this was real life (although I suppose if was *really* realistic then the FBI would've shown up by season three and arrested everyone).
In that scene where Clay grabs an officer’s gun during the drill he would have been shot IMMEDIATELY like you cannot grab an officer’s gun and wave it around in a school full of children especially in America he would have died so fast (unless the guns were fake idk I didn’t watch this garbage season)
Welp, based on the BLM'rule. What he had done is completely right and justified.
@@alvindzaki6085 what does blm have to do with anything
The guns had blanks... maybe watch the show before criticising it.
@@sylviarahim9556 Literally nothing. He just wanted to let everyone know that he doesn't like BLM for some reason .
@@lefloch9983 and then probably complains about shows and games being "too political" Loool brainlets like him live in their own little world.
“Wait, the whole show was pointless?”
“Always has been”
The only good season was the first season
The Big Gay Was it actually though?
KyBer Leger it was.... okay but it looks like a masterpiece compared to the last 3 seasons
KyBer Leger it was a 7.5-8/10
It was pretty much a shitshow from the start imo
I feel like in such a toxic school environment, noone would ever come out as gay.
My school had a good environment and I was still the only gay guy who was out. Just because peer pressure is really strong.
But god, the show is so stupid.
shut up
@@nope7389 imagine being so lonely that you reply to a month-old comment with 'shut up' and nothing more. Your neckbeard is probably about as bushy as mine.
@Alexis Eronmwon Fair enough. I didn't bother reading that.
lol gay
Wait wait wait, you’re telling me you don’t just kiss every boy who talks to you one on one?? Are you saying 13 reasons why got something WRONG???
Not surprising netflix gave this 4 seasons, The company that enjoys dumping good shows and shoveling in crap like cuties and the kardashians.
Imagine how much better this series would have been had Hannah's mom found a diary containing the 13 reasons and SHE was the one who started the revenge plot. It softens the romantic portrayal of suicide, it gives more weight to the court arc, it leans more heavily toward her being the prime suspect in season 3, and it overall just provides an interesting and consistent dynamic between her and Clay.
It wouldn't fix the bad writing, but it would make it at least slightly more enjoyable. Nothing could fix season 4 without a complete rewrite.
This would have been enough for me to want to become interested in it. I think that's a wonderful plot twist.
Shhhhhh be quiet, don't you know the more try to improve Netflix plots the worse they get.
@@pantlessninja4696
And then season 5 would be all about Clay realizing he never loved hannah and was actually gay
Reminds me of that Asian film where the female teacher spikes her classes drinks with poison because someone there were responsible her child dying but she don't know who so she just tells them after they have all had their lunch.
You should write for Netflix
I like how the big Clay reveal is literally played as a joke in Netflix’s series Bojack Horseman. In the show Philbert (which is portrayed as having bad writing), it’s revealed that the main character was the one who was blackmailing and exposing himself due to the guilt of killing his wife. It’s literally played for laughs in that show.
Also, there’s constant joking about how his former partner being a ghost is such an overplayed trope, and again, lazy writing. It’s funny how similar 13RW and the fictional intentionally bad show within Bojack Horseman are.
I’d also like to add that the act of someone losing their grip on reality is portrayed perfectly in Bojack Horseman season 5. The end of the season feels like a true culmination of the entire show in a satisfying, yet devastating way. If you have not watched this show, I could not recommend if more.
(It was briefly shown on Alex’s “best shows” collage in this video!)
Bojack horseman is 100 million times better then this show
That poem alone from BH in season 6 episode “The View From Halfway Down,” is a better service to people than 13RW did in its entire runtime.
Bojack Horseman did a way better job at portraying mental illness than this show ever did
@@bethanyoneal5789 oh for sure
@@bethanyoneal5789 it’s the best portrayal of mental illness in any TV show I’ve seen!
The fact that Alex’s dad is Lucifer in Supernatural leads me to think that this entire show is just the afterlife for everybody, and this is Lucifer’s way of torturing them for eternity.
50 bucks that Gabriel set this up purely to torture Lucifer.
We gotta call Sam and Dean
That comment alone makes me think that they found her reasons why she committed suicide and after that they go on a space ship to hunt down Lucifer cult on the moon or someshit like WTF??
Now that makes to much sense if this was set in hell
The funny part is that the dude would simply have to sit back and watch, these characters naturally get themselves into trouble,,
That movie where the bullied main character goes bat-shit crazy and starts killing her bullies with her psychic powers was honestly way better.
Edit: Carrie
That sounds cringe and edgy af
Xei Bei Did you just call Carrie edgy and cringey....?
@@xeibei4804 that was the point
@@fabplays6559 killing your bullies is literally textbook Wattpad writing tho, so he's not wrong
That movie is already 45 years old wtf
the fact that some great Netflix shows didn't got pass Season 1 but this trash fire got 3 MORE even though just 1 (as an adaptation of the book) was enough is beyond me...
@Jam Drew Shock value, every season finale had something to shock and people would talk about it (ex: Hannah's graphic suicide, Monty raping Tyler), and more people would watch it. Also, some people watched it to trash it and that elevates the rating
@Jam Drew highly recommend Bojack Horseman, it looks dumb and the first few episodes aren't that great, but it's actually really good.
@@beecrimes it's on my list to watch actually :D
@Jam Drew also i'd like to recommend some animated shows like Little Witch Academia, Castlevania, Glitch Techs, Hilda, etc.
13 Reasons Why We Live in a Society
Omg Stitch
Brings back memories
Do the dialogue, be the conversation.
#mentalhealth
13 Reasons Why Are We Still Here. Just To Suffer
*Joker stairs dance*
Killing a gay character from AIDS in a couple of episodes without showing agravating symptoms is incredible tone-deaf, uninformed, harmful and disrespectful to people living with hiv
He wasn't gay, he was a straight guy who prostituted himself to make money for drugs. But other than that I completely agree with you.
@@Eris_Norregard well the thing is it perpetuates the idea that men having sex with men equals death by aids, no matter if he's "actually gay" or not. In this context i used gay as proxy for "men f*cked by men"
@@Chibiknux more like being a sex worker at a young age with many different people for money with a lack of food and shelter and extreme heroin absuse along with not getting it treated, ignoring signs and not getting it treated leads to death.
@@saintsfps5348 you cant ignore aids symptoms. You clearly have no idea how hiv aids works, and as ihe said in the video from a writting perspective theres tons of other diceases that wouldve get the job done just fine
@@Chibiknux but you can ignore the symptoms? you can ignore the symtoms of any disease
After being affected by a school shooting threat this shit made me so upset cuz it's scary as hell and shouldn't be trivialized multiple times in one fucking series
I hope you recover from That. It’s a truly scary thing.
I had a couple of those and I didn't give two shits lol
as a mlm(since people keep asking, mlm is an acronym commonly used in the lgbt community that means “male loves male”, referring to gay and bisexual men, NOT multi level marketing) i feel like this whole show is taking the piss out of me, not representing me. the entertainment industry needs to stop using gay and bi people as a way to advertise their poorly written, crappy tv shows.
we aren’t marketable objects you can use for monetary gain; we are real people, who go through every single struggle and beating that comes with being different.
that doesn’t mean you can’t have a character who only finds the courage to come out later in the show- but there is a respectful way to do it. you need to show them being attracted to the same sex before they come out, even if just in a subtle way.
if a show does the opposite and only establishes a character as gay/bi to seem progressive... it clearly ISN’T progressive.
not disagreeing i just wanted to add that yeah, when you have a teenager coming of age story (like 13rw) it‘s inevitable that, since this genre is very character driven and revolves around relationships, you‘ll have to research what it means to be gay growing up in ADDITION to other struggles that teens face (because surprise lol gay/bi kids also have other problems) and how to portray it accurately... i cant stand the „here‘s our random character > they‘re gay now surprise! > homophobic moment happens and everythings sad :( > but their friends accept them and they stand up to their bullies! happiness!“ formula lmaoooo
You are a multilevel marketing?
sicknastydab dab
i don’t need to have a job in marketing to understand that using minorities for your own personal gain is scummy. but since you asked- my dad used to be in marketing, so i am perfectly aware of the fact that companies have no remorse when using gay people to make a profit- especially when a show is losing popularity or during pride month.
@@wasastreoguy9016 I am still trying to understand how being a MLM has something with exploiting gay people
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oh, i get it now!
you misunderstood me.
the acronym “mlm” in the lgbt community doesn’t mean multi level marketing, but “male loves male”.
basically mlm are men who feel attraction to other men(aka bi and gay men).
as a bi man, i see this show as insulting, because it’s treating me like a marketable item instead of a person.
i never realised the acronym could’ve meant something else, this is hilarious! lmao
After season 1 this show was completely pointless.
This entire show should've just never happened, stayed as a book where it could've done less damage.
Is your pfp a foot?
Season 1 was stupid if taken seriously but It had a consistent plot and was entertaining overall. The other seasons were a cluster fuck. Well, at least season 4 was hilarious if you take it as an overly produced shitpost
At most, the show should have ended after season 2. At least season 2 does connect back to the first season with the court case and testimonies being revolved around Hannah Baker's suicide, which was the main plot of the book/first season with finding out the reasons as to why she took her life. I don't understand why seasons 3 and 4 are there because they literally do not connect with Hannah's story at all.
@@cheeseisherelive yeah, its from a video where one of us got stitches.
Dylan Minnette doesn’t look like he wants to be in this. Just let the man play with his band.
He doesn't have a gun to his head.
Jeremy Dirr well he did have a contractual obligation up until the 4th season
@@dirrdevil His character on the other hand loved pointing guns at other people's heads.
I hope they paid him at least a fuck load of money for it
Apparently they just didn’t hear the “this is a drill” announcement lmao
Wouldnt that be horrible though? Imagine hearing on the intercome "We are having a lochdo-" and then it suddunely cuts off. Yall would think the intercom guy got shot of something?!
not all schools do the announcements. lots of them have unannounced drills, which i think is pretty fucked up tbh
@@sadezem991 but the adult's always knows
@@magzjay2458 do you mean the staff or the parents? because from what i've read, the parents find out after the fact and the staff cannot share anything on the matter.
@@sadezem991 the staff and in that episode the staff was unaware of what was happening
“Touching upon tough subjects”
In other words: “Glorifying mental health issues”
Basically.
Loads of shows glorify mental health. Are you this angry with them?
@@KaneK1234 Yeah! Anyone who handles mental ills like this are absolutely POSes.
@@KaneK1234 I honestly know none that do it even remotely close to this extent, but yes if I saw a show glorifying a mental health issue I would take issue with it no matter what the show, because it's a very sensitive issue that needs to be handled correctly or it could cause disasterous effects
@@KaneK1234 Yes
This show starts all sorts of conversations. Like...
"Wow that's a very poor depiction of mental health"
"Damn, this plot makes no sense!"
or my favourite
"Why are we watching this?"
What about "what kind of school would not say an active shooter drill wasn't a drill till the end like it was some elaborate prank?"
@@jacobc8036 That too.
@@vocalcalibration8033 least they could have done was say "it's just a prank bro" or send a rick roll the parents and say it was an important message...has that amount of seriousness to it.
@@jacobc8036 I mean why stop there. When Clay pulls the mask off the shooter, instead of himself it's, like, that dancing alien meme guy.
@@vocalcalibration8033 that is terrible! Brice sing Despocito!
"That guy's a Nazi, I feel like he's here to kill you."
Nazi with boxing gloves proceeds with murder attempt . . . this show is amazing
He tried to go all Ivan Drago from Rocky IV on him.
As someone who attended an American school and had to go through a active shooter test drill at least once a year they tell you several times a day before it happens just to make sure no one is having mental break downs over the fact they're about to possibly be murdered
Re: The live shooter drill, my head canon is that the school sent out an announcement on the scheduled drill, and none of the main characters read it, and so they were freaking out as everyone else was just bored and checking their phones during the whole thing. Rather ruins the drama of the whole thing. :D
thank you for turning that episode into a comedy