Wow Josh that R7 performs really good in low light! Better than I expected for sure. Cool intro and music during tests... The noise reduction actually worked really good I thought as well ;)
Thanks for this video that answers my questions about low light performance in this APS-C camera. Glad to see no significant difference from FF beast R5C, and now I'm a happy owner of an R7 for unlimited video professional recordings! 🎥🤠🎬
Great video Josh. I agree with you. The R7 was very usable up to 6400 and decently usable up to around 10,000. I'm impressed, because I thought the smaller sensor would fall apart by 3,200.
Thanks for this. Its really useful info. I'm considering an R5c with R7 b-cam combo so all the videos you have been putting out have been super helpful. Thanks for all the work on them.
Great video, really appreciate the comparison on both cams. The R7 continues to be impressive. As a suggestion for another video, maybe explore the R5c's Digital IS as I'm very curious if it also gives the extra IS stops when paired with certain RF lenses. The original R5 would magically give extra IS stops so I'm curious if the R5c gives the same to some degree. Thanks & keep up the great work Josh 👍👍
Noise may be higher for each individual pixel as they get smaller, but in that case any given portion of the image is generated from proportionately higher number of pixels. In those pixels signal is correlated (adjacent pixels gather similar signal) but noise remains random. Averaging signal from those adjacent pixels preserves the signal and reduces the noise by canceling it out between pixels. If you have one bigger pixel instead, you end up with noise like in smaller pixel without canceling out but proportionately stronger signal. Signal to noise ratio stays constant. So provided that you use all pixels to generate final image, and all other factors being equal, resolution of the sensor doesn't influence the ammount of noise. Only its size. No magic there. Simple multiplication. Moreover structure of the noise becomes finer in higher resolution sensor making it less noticeable. The problem may arise from more transistors srface comparing to photodiode surfce in higher resolution sensors.
One thing I noticed between the R7 and the R5C is the focus is much sharper on the R5C. In the comparison I can see the R7 is softer, similar to my experience with my 90D. Which I absolutely hate. But for the price this would be a great upgrade for someone that might have a lower grade camera.
One of the cooler aspects of the test-shots at the 300% was watching your eye. Even though the shots look the same overall, you can tell how much (or little) light was being used by the width of your pupil. That's just a cool touch, intentional or not.
Oh nice! I left my eye in there to help demonstrate detail and sharpness. That's cool that you noticed my pupil changing with the light though. Super cool.
These have been my findings on the R7 too. I've done a autofocus test between the R6 and R7 on my channel and a IBIS test so far. Loving what I'm seeing with the R7.
@@Herkulez1981 I did a video on my channel on it, but just today I posted one that shows the r7 with better autofucus in dark lighting and better autofocus. Check it out.
Another good video :-) Makes me even more convinced the R7 was the right choice for me! I was really hesitating between R6-R7… low light video being the top concern. Now I’m happy with my purchase and once canon releases an R6 mark II something, I’ll go full frame!
totally, the lack of oversampling at 4k/60 suuuuuucks so it would be great to see some tests and see where this is at, also, how post processing (in Davinci Reslove of course!) could optmise (i.e. most likely sharpen) this mode's output.
Hey Josh! I appreciate all of these videos you've been making and when I buy my new cameras and gear I'll be sure to use your affiliate links. I love the song. Any chance you know who it's by?
You are very welcome. I would definitely appreciate the affiliate sales. It's "Jazz Bars" by Dusty Decks: www.epidemicsound.com/track/bOn1vkNE0X/ I get most of my music from Epidemic Sound.
I really want the C70 but i might have to settle for this since the c70's price range is out of reach at the moment. I do plan to get a 15-35mm to get a equivalent to a 24-70 focal range.
Good video :) I have the R6 and I'm very curious how the R7 compare. In the iso test, it's worth remembering that in c-log/c-log 3 values like 1000/2000/4000 etc. (between the 800/1600/3200/6400 etc.) bring more noise into the image. So you may get a cleaner image with iso 6400 than for example 5000 :)
Thanks! Unfortunately I do not have a R6 to compare. I think you are a bit confused about ISO values. Any time that you raise the ISO, you will increase the sensitivity of the sensor and thus you will increase the noise. The ONLY time the image gets cleaner as you raise the ISO is if the camera has a second base ISO and you reach that. For example, in the A7S3/FX3 any increase in ISO from the base of 640 will increase the noise until you change from 10,000 to 12,800 and you reach the second base ISO. After that it will get noisier again as you go up above 12,800.
@@Josh_Sattin I agree in general about dual native ISO, but disagree about the ISO levels regarding c-log/clog-3 :) I recommend watching the video about it by Ben Schubert "How to avoid Noise with C Log | CANON EOS R, R5, R6, 1DXIII". Maybe it's not such a big deal in most cases, but I wouldn't underestimate it :)
Finished watching. R7 looks great. How does the R7 4k fine compare to the R6 4k IPB in terms of detail in Clog 3. I love how with Canon I can have a delayed movie self timer start of 2 seconds. Great when starting a vlog. Also my Canon R6 looks great with a simple LUT where with my A7mk4 i need to tweak the green and magentas.
Except the dynamic range of the r7 ( close to 12 or 12.5 i thinks) all is great ! If canon can do this for this price, i want to the see next model for twice the price! Maybe a 16stop of dynamic range and a global shutter like the red komodo 😂😂😂 i dream too much maybe
Josh when I was looking to see what the R7 can do in low light I was thinking about going outdoors and photographing animals at night like birds that landed on trees or landed on the road for low light I wasn't thinking about studio work like you did here on this video so maybe if you can take your R7 and go outdoors and photograph wildlife outdoors in low light or even dark conditions that is what me and other people would like to see how this camera really works how good is this R7 compared to the R5 and the R3 please try doing that and putting that into a video for us thank you .
what would you recomend me, im about to buy a camera, im currently on the m50 mark ii, but i want to take the next step, i do videos for a MKT agency, and im a lil confused chossing between a canon R and the R7, or the fujifilm, sony a7iii, idk, im really confused witch one its better, i also do yt videos and of course im gonna used, but, the main porpuse its the MTK agency, i hope you can help me out!, awesome videos by the way, you are amazing bro! hi from MEXICO!
This is really cool, thank you so much! I’m currently in debates on whether to go for this R7 or a Sony A7 III. Any ideas on what the noise comparison would be at high ISO between these cameras?
middle gray is called "18% middle gray", but setting zebra to 40% and match with the middle gray...this is the part I don't understand. Is there any one can help? Thank you!
The 18% comes from the paint world since it reflects 18% of the light. The exposure you are aiming for is based on the manufacturer’s recommendations for their log curve, which I believe is around 38% for Clog 3. The R7 can only do every 5% so I set it to 40%.
I feel like cropped sensors are becoming better in low light environments as tech advances. Although full frame will usually be better, cropped sensors are becoming reasonable and cheaper alternatives.
Hey brother, can you sjow the rolling shutter for this camera? I debating over this or a sony a6400 and I know the sonys have that terrible rolling shutter
Thanks very helpful - I'm a Nikon hybrid shooter, I looked at the R6 but the way it switched from photo to video seemed cumbersome. The R7 seems to have rectified that. My only worry is I need a 20mm full frame equivalent for occasional interior work I get. I don't know if such a lens exists in canon apsc. It will need to be f4 full frame equivalent as well as minimum
Yes, wide options that are native to RF are not available right now. It's a bummer. I would recommend the Canon EF-S 10-18 or the Tokina 11-20. You can use this with the $100 EF-RF adapter.
Hi Josh, Thanks for the great R7 content. Do you think a Kondor Blue cage made for the R5 and R6 would fit the R7 or are there significant differences in the body dimensions?
Hi Josh, I’m looking for compact dslr coz iphone 12 pro photo is not clear during cloudy day. I saw some videos saying canon m lenses will be discontinued and R are the ones will be upgrading moving forward. Can you suggest for everyday use for clear and sharp shots whatever the weather conditions is pls?
@@nazmussakib80 I believe they do. I don’t have a EF lens that has IS in it to test. Remember that when the lens has IS you can only use Lens IS plus IBIS or neither.
Hey sir, great content. Would you recommend the R7 with the 18-35 sigma for a small creator shooting almost exclusively video over switching to Sony with the Fx30?
Thank you for your video. I don’t understand, shooting Clog3 I have a looot of noise at 1600ISO.. When you don’t have even at 5000ISO. Do I do something wrong ? In “normal” profiles, I don’t have noise at all. What am I doing wrong ? Thank you! :)
Hi Josh. In havent watched the video yet but wanted to ask. Can you have custom min and max ISO during video shooting in Shutter priority. Also is CLog3 still starting at 800 iso ?? Will watch the video later. Thanks for testing.
Both have pros and cons and this definitely depends on your needs. R5C has a full frame sensor and better in very high ISO, also has terrible battery life and needs to be rigged out. R7 will overheat in 4K60.
Have you had a chance to test the R7 with the canon .71X for the reducer? I’m wondering if this would be a good option to still get that full Frame 👀 out of R7
I have the R7 in hand and am planning on filming a wedding with it this coming weekend. While my turn around doesn’t need to be fast, adding noise reduction in post can be both time consuming + hard on my computer. What setting would you recommend putting it on when it comes to NR?
@@Josh_Sattin Would you recommend also using the "standard" setting on the R6 (my A Cam)? Also, did you find any differences between the Standard and High settings?
@@jackpatmoreinc Unfortunately I have never used a R6. I would always play it safe with lower in camera noise reduction with a paid gig like a wedding. You never want to experiment with a situation like that. You can always add noise reduction in post.
Hey Josh, I was wondering if you have noticed something strange on the Canon R5C with the focus peaking in low light conditions. On mine it basically makes monitoring the mage impossible putting a colour cast through the whole image like it’s gif a filter on the lens. This isn’t balked into the footage just when on the LCD
That's probably because focus peaking using contrast to detect edges to see whats sharp. If there isn't enough light then it can't do that properly. The focus peaking is never baked into the image.
I also noticed this and it drives me crazy! Never had this happen on any other cameras. It makes focusing useless in that condition. Still trying to figure that one out.
I am definitely sure that I have them labeled correctly. What you saw was a change in exposure. I didn't get the exposure exactly the same after grading for each ISO so the change from 2500 to 3200 looked darker and maybe cleaner after going through UA-cam. And yes, the R5C has a dual base ISO of 800 and 3200. The R7 does not.
I saw in an in interview with a Canon person that the R7 doesn't officially support the speedbooster but that it will probably work. I personally haven't tested it though.
Hi. This was very intersting. I was wondering if you'd be willing to test something out and let me know. You don't need to do a video if you don't want. I'm very baisc when it comes to video. I don't know what most video features even mean and definitely don't do any color grading or anything. I shoot 1080p and just use the footage straight out of camera, only potentially speeding up or slowing down the footage. Currently, I use a Fuji xt2. I went on a trip recently and discovered that I couldn't get any video at all when it was low light. There were two situations. The first, I was trying to get video of an owl at sunset. I was able to get still images with my other camera but it was just nothing but black with the Fuji for video. I was at the max ISO, at the min aperture for that lens (100-400mm), and i was at 1/125 of a second shutter because i was at 60p. As I said, all black. The other situation was in a dining area at night. There were ceiling lights scattered all around, and it seemed very bright to me. But, the Fuji could barely pick up the people at all. Again, I was at max ISO, min aperture for that lens (16-80mm), and at 1/125 second for 60p. I really want to have a camera that i can do wildlife video with (that's why APSC) that will work in low light. Everyone that i've seen review this camera so far have been talking about 4k and clog3, but I don't do either of thise things. Would you be willing to do a little test to see if in 1080 with whatever the setting would be called that wouldn't need any color grading whether the camera would be usable in low light? often with wildlife, folks talk about it being too dark for images but they can still get video. i'm thinking of thise situations but also if i travel and want to get any video of the town or people in low light situations. I'd really appreciate it. Thanks. :) Paula
Shooting in a log profile will give you more dynamic range. I only shoot in 4K at this point. If you want to be able to shoot in super low light, I would recommend a full frame camera and some prime lenses. You can also get some basic conversion LUTs to convert log footage to REC-709.
Thanks brother. Would you say the 4k 60fps non-fine is a useable image? As in do you ever regret using it knowing you have a better image in the crop mode? Only thing hesitating me is the fact I know there is a better image in the 4k 60fps crop but the hassle of having to think about it has me unsure.
You're welcome. It depends on what you are using the image for. Everyone's definition of usable is different. I would do some testing yourself and see what you like.
hello! thanks for your content! I just got an r5c and when I record in xf-avc I can't find the files to copy to the pc, however they are recorded because I see them from the camera. do you know why that happens? in mp4 without problems. I connect the camera directly to the usb-c of the pc until the cf express reader arrives.
Are you recording separately, XF-AVC to CFexpress and MP4 to the SD? It was my experience that I couldn’t read the CFexpress card by connecting to the camera directly. I needed to use a separate reader. Hope that’s helpful.
@@pickleydoo thanks for your help, no, I'm recording everything on the same cf express card, I imagined that it could be that but I needed to confirm it. Thanks
@@bytomw I have an R7 and there is no such possibility. When selecting the clean HDMI output, you cannot record internally in the camera, you can output the image containing menus, indicators, etc., and then you can record internally, but the hdmi image is rather not of full quality and is not clean to be suitable for external recording. In second mode, the built-in screen is turned off.
It would be really nice if they included thay. Recording to Atomos ninja is good but it worries me sometimes because there's no fail safe if the ssd fails. The Eos R can do it but limited to 30min. Thank you for the answer
Wow Josh that R7 performs really good in low light! Better than I expected for sure. Cool intro and music during tests... The noise reduction actually worked really good I thought as well ;)
Yeah Jay. I am definitely impressed with the performance of the R7!
I gotta give you props man, i learned SO MUCH about my R7 from your videos, saved a bunch of time will use it wisely THANK YOU
You are very welcome! I am so glad to hear that the videos have been helpful for you. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for this video that answers my questions about low light performance in this APS-C camera. Glad to see no significant difference from FF beast R5C, and now I'm a happy owner of an R7 for unlimited video professional recordings! 🎥🤠🎬
this was so helpful i’ve been having issues with the noise in the non fine mode, had no idea of how oversampled helped, thank you for this🙏🏽
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Great video Josh. I agree with you. The R7 was very usable up to 6400 and decently usable up to around 10,000. I'm impressed, because I thought the smaller sensor would fall apart by 3,200.
Thanks! Yeah, I am very impressed.
Crazy considering I’m upgrading from a 70D where 800 ISO is the max usable image
@@AlwaGordon I just got a R7 upgrading from the 70D too😂
You deserve more subscribers sir.👍
I appreciate the kind words. Thanks for watching!
Nice review...took all the fear away from pre-ordering just yesterday. Looking forward to some nice 'reach'.
Glad the video was helpful for you. Thanks for watching!
Thanks Josh a lot, I learned from you something I had not seen anywhere.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for this. Its really useful info. I'm considering an R5c with R7 b-cam combo so all the videos you have been putting out have been super helpful. Thanks for all the work on them.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
great videos, this is exactly the type of content to help me understand the limitations of the R7 and how to get the most out of it etc.
will wait for RP2
Great video, really appreciate the comparison on both cams. The R7 continues to be impressive. As a suggestion for another video, maybe explore the R5c's Digital IS as I'm very curious if it also gives the extra IS stops when paired with certain RF lenses. The original R5 would magically give extra IS stops so I'm curious if the R5c gives the same to some degree. Thanks & keep up the great work Josh 👍👍
Thanks! I'll definitely be testing out the stabilization in the R7.
There are many rental houses with the r5c available to rent for a few days to test yourself if you don't want to wait for someone to make a video
Thanks for the tests! ISO 16000 still looks usable to me which is quite impressive.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Noise may be higher for each individual pixel as they get smaller, but in that case any given portion of the image is generated from proportionately higher number of pixels. In those pixels signal is correlated (adjacent pixels gather similar signal) but noise remains random. Averaging signal from those adjacent pixels preserves the signal and reduces the noise by canceling it out between pixels. If you have one bigger pixel instead, you end up with noise like in smaller pixel without canceling out but proportionately stronger signal. Signal to noise ratio stays constant. So provided that you use all pixels to generate final image, and all other factors being equal, resolution of the sensor doesn't influence the ammount of noise. Only its size. No magic there. Simple multiplication. Moreover structure of the noise becomes finer in higher resolution sensor making it less noticeable. The problem may arise from more transistors srface comparing to photodiode surfce in higher resolution sensors.
Sounds like magic to me ;) Just kidding. Thanks for sharing!
One thing I noticed between the R7 and the R5C is the focus is much sharper on the R5C. In the comparison I can see the R7 is softer, similar to my experience with my 90D. Which I absolutely hate. But for the price this would be a great upgrade for someone that might have a lower grade camera.
One of the cooler aspects of the test-shots at the 300% was watching your eye. Even though the shots look the same overall, you can tell how much (or little) light was being used by the width of your pupil.
That's just a cool touch, intentional or not.
Oh nice! I left my eye in there to help demonstrate detail and sharpness. That's cool that you noticed my pupil changing with the light though. Super cool.
Thank you for doing these tests! I'd love to see some rolling shutter tests as well!
You're welcome!
Nice work! The comparison is so easy to understand. Big thanks! 👍🏻👍🏻
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Thank you, i could not find low light test with Canon r7
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
These have been my findings on the R7 too. I've done a autofocus test between the R6 and R7 on my channel and a IBIS test so far. Loving what I'm seeing with the R7.
How is that af in comparison to the r6?
@@Herkulez1981 I did a video on my channel on it, but just today I posted one that shows the r7 with better autofucus in dark lighting and better autofocus. Check it out.
@@JaredHoyman Nice willl do Thanks
Thank you! That’s exactly what I need !
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
Great video man. Definitely two cameras in thinking about. Leaving now towers the R5C but the R7 is sounding pretty tempting.
I Lovw my R7. It's my new A camera and my 90D has become my B roll camera.
Hi Josh, this is a very useful presentation. The camera seems to do quite well in low light situations. Many thanks.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Another good video :-) Makes me even more convinced the R7 was the right choice for me! I was really hesitating between R6-R7… low light video being the top concern. Now I’m happy with my purchase and once canon releases an R6 mark II something, I’ll go full frame!
Thank you. I am very impressed with the R7 so far for video.
Loved this! Only thing I would have asked for additionally is a 4k60 noise test since I’ll likely be using this cam a lot for b-roll gimbal work.
Thanks. I want to make a separate video about 4K60. So many tests to do and videos to make!
@@Josh_Sattin you’re doing the lords work!
totally, the lack of oversampling at 4k/60 suuuuuucks so it would be great to see some tests and see where this is at, also, how post processing (in Davinci Reslove of course!) could optmise (i.e. most likely sharpen) this mode's output.
I hope Canon release a Battery grip for this Canon R7 camera and I am looking forward to the Canon RP Mark 2
What about noise in non oversampled mode - Full hd, 4K 60 ?
I hope to do a separate video about 4K60. I don't shoot in 1080p anymore.
thanks for best content on R7
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Hi Josh! I’m here Early, Thanks for the video. Great videos on your channel.
Thank you so much!
Hey Josh! I appreciate all of these videos you've been making and when I buy my new cameras and gear I'll be sure to use your affiliate links. I love the song. Any chance you know who it's by?
You are very welcome. I would definitely appreciate the affiliate sales. It's "Jazz Bars" by Dusty Decks: www.epidemicsound.com/track/bOn1vkNE0X/
I get most of my music from Epidemic Sound.
@@Josh_Sattin I use the service as well and am always looking for songs which isn't the easiest task lol. Thanks again!
Oh man. I waste way too much time looking for music!
Thank you for all yours videos
You are very welcome. Thanks for watching!
This results are in good light with smooth, neutral background... I don't think they say much, tbh. Cudos for the effort, though.
thanks you was excellent i love my R7 .. i sold my 90D for it ... for bird phtography its ecellent the R7
Nice review man. Im thinking of getting the R7 for video instead of a FF.
Thanks! 🙏
nice iso performance from R7. It was surprise for me...
I really want the C70 but i might have to settle for this since the c70's price range is out of reach at the moment. I do plan to get a 15-35mm to get a equivalent to a 24-70 focal range.
Great breakdown and demonstration. Thanks
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Brilliant test!
Thanks! 🙏
Very nice video! Worthy of a subscribe! Yes, I will get an R7 in the future :)
Thank you!
Great video
Thanks!
Really helpful video!
Thanks! Glad it was helpful.
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Good video :) I have the R6 and I'm very curious how the R7 compare. In the iso test, it's worth remembering that in c-log/c-log 3 values like 1000/2000/4000 etc. (between the 800/1600/3200/6400 etc.) bring more noise into the image. So you may get a cleaner image with iso 6400 than for example 5000 :)
Thanks! Unfortunately I do not have a R6 to compare. I think you are a bit confused about ISO values. Any time that you raise the ISO, you will increase the sensitivity of the sensor and thus you will increase the noise. The ONLY time the image gets cleaner as you raise the ISO is if the camera has a second base ISO and you reach that. For example, in the A7S3/FX3 any increase in ISO from the base of 640 will increase the noise until you change from 10,000 to 12,800 and you reach the second base ISO. After that it will get noisier again as you go up above 12,800.
@@Josh_Sattin I agree in general about dual native ISO, but disagree about the ISO levels regarding c-log/clog-3 :) I recommend watching the video about it by Ben Schubert "How to avoid Noise with C Log | CANON EOS R, R5, R6, 1DXIII". Maybe it's not such a big deal in most cases, but I wouldn't underestimate it :)
Finished watching. R7 looks great. How does the R7 4k fine compare to the R6 4k IPB in terms of detail in Clog 3. I love how with Canon I can have a delayed movie self timer start of 2 seconds. Great when starting a vlog. Also my Canon R6 looks great with a simple LUT where with my A7mk4 i need to tweak the green and magentas.
Unfortunately I do not have a R6 to make that comparison.
For photography, which one is the best?
What about photos?????
Sorry, I mainly focus on video for this channel.
Amazing video, R7 is a great choice for vloggers
Thanks. I agree. Canon needs to come out with a wide RF-S lens though.
Except the dynamic range of the r7 ( close to 12 or 12.5 i thinks) all is great ! If canon can do this for this price, i want to the see next model for twice the price! Maybe a 16stop of dynamic range and a global shutter like the red komodo 😂😂😂 i dream too much maybe
Nice comparison. 👍👍
Thanks!
Josh when I was looking to see what the R7 can do in low light I was thinking about going outdoors and photographing animals at night like birds that landed on trees or landed on the road for low light I wasn't thinking about studio work like you did here on this video so maybe if you can take your R7 and go outdoors and photograph wildlife outdoors in low light or even dark conditions that is what me and other people would like to see how this camera really works how good is this R7 compared to the R5 and the R3 please try doing that and putting that into a video for us thank you .
great video...thanks so much pro^^
Hi, why my canon R7 didn't display the fitur of 4k fine, and 4k crop? Its only displaying 4k and 4hd 😅
I just wish the R7 or R6 or A7mk4 would do DCI format. To get DCI i need to go with Fuji.
Hi, great video! does the R7 better for low light than the Sony A6600?
What kind picture profile do you use besides C-log? for example in this video?
My 5d mk iii die and I do concerts in bars. My camera die in my worse budget moment. What is the best canon r or r7 ?
ISO performance good or bad?
what would you recomend me, im about to buy a camera, im currently on the m50 mark ii, but i want to take the next step, i do videos for a MKT agency, and im a lil confused chossing between a canon R and the R7, or the fujifilm, sony a7iii, idk, im really confused witch one its better, i also do yt videos and of course im gonna used, but, the main porpuse its the MTK agency, i hope you can help me out!, awesome videos by the way, you are amazing bro! hi from MEXICO!
This is really cool, thank you so much! I’m currently in debates on whether to go for this R7 or a Sony A7 III. Any ideas on what the noise comparison would be at high ISO between these cameras?
Thanks. Unfortunately, I do not have a Sony A7III to compare and I haven't used that camera in a while so I don't think I could make a guess.
same man, both cameras are good
It would be nice if you could explain more about how you adjust the exposure using the grey card.
Check out this video about exposing: ua-cam.com/video/H7ndRK37ZkU/v-deo.html
High ISO speed NR option avaliable for photo? or only for video?
How about noise R5c VS R7 with High ISO speed NR (High) at ISO 6400, 12800 ?
Which one is good R7-R8
Great Video.....but that music....makes me want to go to bed and cure my headache...
middle gray is called "18% middle gray", but setting zebra to 40% and match with the middle gray...this is the part I don't understand. Is there any one can help? Thank you!
The 18% comes from the paint world since it reflects 18% of the light. The exposure you are aiming for is based on the manufacturer’s recommendations for their log curve, which I believe is around 38% for Clog 3. The R7 can only do every 5% so I set it to 40%.
Thanks 😊
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
great job
Thank you!
I feel like cropped sensors are becoming better in low light environments as tech advances. Although full frame will usually be better, cropped sensors are becoming reasonable and cheaper alternatives.
Yeah the technology is getting better. Noise reduction and oversampling help.
Hey brother, can you sjow the rolling shutter for this camera? I debating over this or a sony a6400 and I know the sonys have that terrible rolling shutter
Northrups have a R7 video showing the rolling shutter, pretty bad in the 30 fps but much better in 15 mechanical.
Thanks very helpful - I'm a Nikon hybrid shooter, I looked at the R6 but the way it switched from photo to video seemed cumbersome. The R7 seems to have rectified that. My only worry is I need a 20mm full frame equivalent for occasional interior work I get. I don't know if such a lens exists in canon apsc. It will need to be f4 full frame equivalent as well as minimum
Yes, wide options that are native to RF are not available right now. It's a bummer. I would recommend the Canon EF-S 10-18 or the Tokina 11-20. You can use this with the $100 EF-RF adapter.
You can get the Sigma 14mm F1.8 EF, if the price is not an issue or get Tokina 11-16 F2.8. Both need the RF to EF adapter though.
Hi Josh, Thanks for the great R7 content. Do you think a Kondor Blue cage made for the R5 and R6 would fit the R7 or are there significant differences in the body dimensions?
I have never seen that cage, but I doubt it would fit. The R7 is a different size and most cages are designed for specific cameras nowadays.
Hi Josh, I’m looking for compact dslr coz iphone 12 pro photo is not clear during cloudy day. I saw some videos saying canon m lenses will be discontinued and R are the ones will be upgrading moving forward. Can you suggest for everyday use for clear and sharp shots whatever the weather conditions is pls?
plz do a stabilization review for r7 with ef lenses
There is a quick stabilization test in this video: ua-cam.com/video/L4o3nXrz3_Y/v-deo.html
@@Josh_Sattin i was curious if the ibis syncs with ef mount lenses. the lenses that have stabilization.
@@nazmussakib80 I believe they do. I don’t have a EF lens that has IS in it to test. Remember that when the lens has IS you can only use Lens IS plus IBIS or neither.
Hey sir, great content. Would you recommend the R7 with the 18-35 sigma for a small creator shooting almost exclusively video over switching to Sony with the Fx30?
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Why didn't the image get brighter when you raised the ISO?
I explained this starting at 3:00 in this video.
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thanks :)
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Not bad at all, hooe the rumors about a r7c is true , would be a Nice baby cinema camera
Thank you for this but do you know the native iso for the r7
800 in Clog3.
Are there any cons of setting the noise reduction to high?
High noise reduction will reduce detail and sharpness.
Can you make a comparison between R6 and R7 on low light performance? Thanks.
Unfortunately I don’t have an R6.
@@Josh_Sattin Thanks for your reply. Good video!
Thank you for your video.
I don’t understand, shooting Clog3 I have a looot of noise at 1600ISO..
When you don’t have even at 5000ISO. Do I do something wrong ?
In “normal” profiles, I don’t have noise at all.
What am I doing wrong ?
Thank you! :)
It usually comes down to getting the proper exposure if you are at a reasonable ISO. Try getting more light to the sensor with aperture or lighting.
Hi Josh. In havent watched the video yet but wanted to ask. Can you have custom min and max ISO during video shooting in Shutter priority. Also is CLog3 still starting at 800 iso ?? Will watch the video later. Thanks for testing.
Yes for both of those questions.
so which one is better strictly for video? weddings etc?
Both have pros and cons and this definitely depends on your needs. R5C has a full frame sensor and better in very high ISO, also has terrible battery life and needs to be rigged out. R7 will overheat in 4K60.
I wonder is R7's lowlight/shadow recovery better than OG R5 on video or the same or worse?
Unfortunately I don't have a R5 for the comparison.
Hi Josh. One more question. Can you chose different metering modes in video mode.
I don't think so. I use the histogram to monitor exposure though.
Have you had a chance to test the R7 with the canon .71X for the reducer? I’m wondering if this would be a good option to still get that full Frame 👀 out of R7
Cannot beat the physics lol..
I have not had a chance to test that. I don't currently have that gear too.
Same question, i'm curious about a test like this
This is video though. What about for stills?
Sorry, but I focus mainly on video on this channel.
I have the R7 in hand and am planning on filming a wedding with it this coming weekend. While my turn around doesn’t need to be fast, adding noise reduction in post can be both time consuming + hard on my computer. What setting would you recommend putting it on when it comes to NR?
In the limited testing that I did (which you saw in this video), I would probably recommend the "standard" setting.
@@Josh_Sattin Would you recommend also using the "standard" setting on the R6 (my A Cam)? Also, did you find any differences between the Standard and High settings?
@@jackpatmoreinc Unfortunately I have never used a R6. I would always play it safe with lower in camera noise reduction with a paid gig like a wedding. You never want to experiment with a situation like that. You can always add noise reduction in post.
Hey Josh, I was wondering if you have noticed something strange on the Canon R5C with the focus peaking in low light conditions. On mine it basically makes monitoring the mage impossible putting a colour cast through the whole image like it’s gif a filter on the lens. This isn’t balked into the footage just when on the LCD
That's probably because focus peaking using contrast to detect edges to see whats sharp. If there isn't enough light then it can't do that properly. The focus peaking is never baked into the image.
I also noticed this and it drives me crazy! Never had this happen on any other cameras. It makes focusing useless in that condition. Still trying to figure that one out.
Hey, i noticed at 9:53 you said the R5C have a second native iso of 3200 but the R7 footage cleaned up and not the R5C footage.
I am definitely sure that I have them labeled correctly. What you saw was a change in exposure. I didn't get the exposure exactly the same after grading for each ISO so the change from 2500 to 3200 looked darker and maybe cleaner after going through UA-cam. And yes, the R5C has a dual base ISO of 800 and 3200. The R7 does not.
@@Josh_Sattin ohhh, okay cool. Just wanted to make sure
@@Theaaronchris Thanks for watching!
Hi Josh. So, is it better to shoot always at iso 800? Also when there is plenty of light if i do not need a specific aperture?
It's almost always best to shoot at whatever the base ISO is in your camera. You can use aperture, ND filters and lighting to get the right exposure.
@@Josh_Sattin Thank you. I have R7. I do not understand if R7 base iso is 800 in every profile, or only when i use clog3.
really amazing results can you do a real life 4k video comaprison of r7 and r5c
You can see some in this video: ua-cam.com/video/OwpaV_xbURU/v-deo.html
Can i use the C70 Speedbooster on the R7?
I saw in an in interview with a Canon person that the R7 doesn't officially support the speedbooster but that it will probably work. I personally haven't tested it though.
Hi. This was very intersting. I was wondering if you'd be willing to test something out and let me know. You don't need to do a video if you don't want. I'm very baisc when it comes to video. I don't know what most video features even mean and definitely don't do any color grading or anything. I shoot 1080p and just use the footage straight out of camera, only potentially speeding up or slowing down the footage. Currently, I use a Fuji xt2. I went on a trip recently and discovered that I couldn't get any video at all when it was low light. There were two situations. The first, I was trying to get video of an owl at sunset. I was able to get still images with my other camera but it was just nothing but black with the Fuji for video. I was at the max ISO, at the min aperture for that lens (100-400mm), and i was at 1/125 of a second shutter because i was at 60p. As I said, all black. The other situation was in a dining area at night. There were ceiling lights scattered all around, and it seemed very bright to me. But, the Fuji could barely pick up the people at all. Again, I was at max ISO, min aperture for that lens (16-80mm), and at 1/125 second for 60p. I really want to have a camera that i can do wildlife video with (that's why APSC) that will work in low light. Everyone that i've seen review this camera so far have been talking about 4k and clog3, but I don't do either of thise things. Would you be willing to do a little test to see if in 1080 with whatever the setting would be called that wouldn't need any color grading whether the camera would be usable in low light? often with wildlife, folks talk about it being too dark for images but they can still get video. i'm thinking of thise situations but also if i travel and want to get any video of the town or people in low light situations. I'd really appreciate it. Thanks. :) Paula
Shooting in a log profile will give you more dynamic range. I only shoot in 4K at this point. If you want to be able to shoot in super low light, I would recommend a full frame camera and some prime lenses. You can also get some basic conversion LUTs to convert log footage to REC-709.
How much is the noise affected when you use 4k 60fps not cropped?
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Thanks brother. Would you say the 4k 60fps non-fine is a useable image? As in do you ever regret using it knowing you have a better image in the crop mode? Only thing hesitating me is the fact I know there is a better image in the 4k 60fps crop but the hassle of having to think about it has me unsure.
You're welcome. It depends on what you are using the image for. Everyone's definition of usable is different. I would do some testing yourself and see what you like.
hello! thanks for your content! I just got an r5c and when I record in xf-avc I can't find the files to copy to the pc, however they are recorded because I see them from the camera. do you know why that happens? in mp4 without problems. I connect the camera directly to the usb-c of the pc until the cf express reader arrives.
I would look around in the folder structure on the memory card. There are lots of folders in there.
Are you recording separately, XF-AVC to CFexpress and MP4 to the SD? It was my experience that I couldn’t read the CFexpress card by connecting to the camera directly. I needed to use a separate reader. Hope that’s helpful.
@@pickleydoo thanks for your help, no, I'm recording everything on the same cf express card, I imagined that it could be that but I needed to confirm it. Thanks
Did you do any noise reduction in post?
I did not add any noise reduction in post.
Here's a like from me
is r7’s 4k60 quality good?
I haven't thoroughly tested it yet. That will be coming in a future video.
HI Josh, thank you for this video.
does it do HDMI clean out and record internally?
This is an excellent question, it would easily make this a better choice than an R6 for many jobs.
@@bytomw I have an R7 and there is no such possibility. When selecting the clean HDMI output, you cannot record internally in the camera, you can output the image containing menus, indicators, etc., and then you can record internally, but the hdmi image is rather not of full quality and is not clean to be suitable for external recording. In second mode, the built-in screen is turned off.
@@jakubjoniec that makes sense. It’s the same for the R6. Not a deal breaker for the camera at all. But it would be nice if it could do both.
No, I don’t think that is possible.
It would be really nice if they included thay. Recording to Atomos ninja is good but it worries me sometimes because there's no fail safe if the ssd fails. The Eos R can do it but limited to 30min. Thank you for the answer