Hi, do you know maybe why my upgraded pl-15 has a very thick red dot? on the video he has a very nice little dot in it. You sounded like an experienced gamma user.
Yeah it's a tough line, Last time I was very critical on the guns and I got quite a few people complaining that some guns were to low down. I'm not saying that I place the rankings purely to appease viewers, but maybe I was a bit too kind.
For me, I would prefer Tier lists per Ammo caliber. Or tier list per purpose (mutant fight / stalker fight). As often you ask yourself what best gun I can use for all this 9x18 I stocked on
I personally love the Voigt Infinity because of its burst fire mode and have used it for almost my entire playthrough. When timed right, the burst fire turns it from a semi into a makeshift fully auto .45, add hydro shock, and it absolutely decimates any mutant put in front of it, even pseudo giants only last a couple of seconds. It basically becomes a pocket vector, but because of it low (I think) hip fire recoil, it's still extremely controllable.
seeing the TT-33 go down to F tier was shocking to me, its my favorite starter pistol as the 7.62x25 round actually has decent penetration for early game and fine damage, the sights are great (for me) aswell, i tend to use it over my primary and it slaps hard
I just found the FNX-45 a few days ago and was equally hating how it seemed like a direct upgrade to what I was carrying, until I looked down those horrible sights. Tossed the thing like 2 minutes after initially finding it.
I understand your point of view and yes it really is awful for a game. In real life though if set up right having a red dot combo with irons can help you a lot. In game it is worthless and makes the gun useless. I guess they just added it because some modder had a gun nut friend or wanted to implement it in the game.
Personally I think Hi-Power and P226R are S-tier for me. For a simple reason - mass upgrade(an upgrade that lowers the gun's mass). Not many pistols can weight less then a kilo while loaded, and those guns - do. And since in the late game Pistols are kind of a "last chance guns" this makes it incredible logisticsvise. A.k.a. you don't need to think how to clear space in your backpack just to get yourself a pistol, you just take it, few HP and AP rounds, and you are good to go without real needance to empty your pockets for it. There might be more guns with mass upgrade, that case they are also S tier, if not A
MP-412 is good when playing with mags enabled and you don't get Deagle (or mags for it) yet... Fort is better than PM (sentiments that carries from ShoC up to GAMMA/EfP) and pick it instead (trying to edit loadout files if possible) before switching to Beretta out of sentiments.
The 12 round p220 (not stalker version) is probably my favorite sidearm so far. 45 hydroshock in a lightweight pistol with a laser and suppressor is amazing.
I remember the first time I saw a PB on Anomaly and bought it instantly. And I thought it was a good weapon due to being internally supressed, used it into the mid game and then found out about the Desert Eagle and realized how god awful the PB actually is
There are a couple interesting things about damage: 1. Korth 4 and Korth 6 have more damage than your typical .45ACP pistol. Not sure how that would affect your ranking tho, if at all. 2. rechambering a gun doesn't change its damage, so native 9x19 guns are marginally better than 9x18 ones rechambered to 9x19. Also, you could probably add a bit more granularity to the list by moving guns without lasers a tier down, since lasers are completely busted thanks to point fire.
There is base weapon damage and round damage. If you rechamber .45 to 9x19, it will have less damage, but it will be more efficient against armor with AP rounds - kriss vector is the best example
Machine pistols are a novelty concept. More useful in video games than IRL. Full-auto modes have been found to be useless for machine pistols. They're better off with 2- or 3-round burst modes. And it's gotta be hyper-burst so each burst produces a recoil impulse that feels like one round being fired. Btw, what's the point of a 6-round mag in a semi-auto pistol?! Especially since there's another semi-auto pistol in the same caliber that uses 9-rounders! 7:56 Basically turning it into a P226. 8:38 Should have high accuracy by pistol standards. The only edge 7.62 Tokarev really has. Brandon Herrera calls it "Boomer five-seven," though that's a misnomer since it was invented during the time of the "Silent" generation by a man who was of (I think) the "Lost" generation. 8:51 That's why nobody makes .45 caliber machine pistols. Assume that the MAC-10 is a submachine gun intended to be fired from the shoulder.
Okay, Mr. Moxy, I can't be the only one that loves using weapons that have the canted sights style of "Scope" on weapons. If I may be so bold to make a suggestion, be the only person that's puts together a list or video with that information on it. I will literally go out of my way to use a weapon that makes use of them even I find something better stat wise. I know that some guns like the Monolith Ak has a laser sight that's canted and it rocks! Some pistols do too. Nobody has that information out there and I can't be the only one that likes that either. Love your content man, keep it up.
I'm looking forward to the first of april when you publish a tier list of useless items or compare the protective capabilities of gras sprites or make a big list just to put everything in the same tier. ... no one ever considered the pros and cons of bolts vs. shell casings or the quality of different porn mags xD
I actually really enjoy the voight infinity. It's slick and it's good against low teir mutants. And maybe bandits of you don't wanna spend your good ammo. I hope someone makes an RSH12 mod that gets added.
Definitely second the Glock Hornet. I found it at advanced toolkit in a white stash and it's a vibe. Recoil is maybe just a bit rough without upgrades, and combined with no optics means your target might get obstructed at mid-range if you're using a suppressor. You probably don't need one anyway. Definitely an economical hip-fire close range champion. (For Mags players: If you're having trouble finding extended magazines, they're actually the KRISS Vector .45 ACP magazines since the irl Vector can use Glock magazines. They're sold by NATO traders (Lvl 2 upwards? pls correct if wrong) and you just have to right click -> retool. There's no actual 40rd mag as of writing. There's a 33rd mag categorized as small, and a 50rd categorized as medium. The small mag is already good enough. Just fill up all your small slots and leave your larger slots free for your rifles/smgs.) Btw I don't really have your issue with the MP412? At least on GAMMA for me, the single-action animation seems to be purely aesthetic? Like you can shoot as fast as you click just like any semi-auto. There's no screen shake or anything. One variant even comes with a red dot by default. It's become my favorite mutant pistol alongside the Hornet.
In the current version of GAMMA, the P99 has two upgrade kits that don't seem to work. There are two versions of the base pistol in the game, and neither of them seem to be upgradable.
if the Glock 19 Hornet ended up anywhere outside of S tier I would have been sad, easily my favorite pistol in the game and my primary mutant killing gun, freeing up my primary slots for a sniper and a cqb gun
Korth 6" - S tier, because it has small recoil, auto mode and the biggest damage of any other .45 pistols. It kills almost every mutant by only ONE mag. Also it has supressor and scope. Imho Korth 6" is greatest for mutants. P.S. - you may also put supressor (which gives you some performance enhancements) and scope.
My man, even you missed one more pistol or I missed it: When you kill monolith chosen he got artefact and 9’19 pistol called Ford-21 or something. It says that it were made by Israel and USA as I remember. Two times I finished this dude and every time I got this pistol from him. All the times I bring this gun to base and repair it, after repairs I just throw it in gun case like a good addition to my collection.
ngl, I kind of just pack a shotgun/sniper along with my trusty G36 or AK-103/AK-Alfa... and my 1911/USP/Glock is in the Binoculars slot. Well, unless I'm expecting to raid a base and need to spot better. I mostly use it as my security blanket when Artifact Hunting, as well as to finish off Monolith that are writhing on the floor. Because, you know, they always suicide on you.
i don't use handgun much cause i only mainly use assault rifle and shotgun, but i do slot in a 357 magnum sometimes on the vision slot for backup. coonan doesn't feel right for me when i use it, not enough oomph
Don't use it, it's actually broken Grok knows about it and is apparently working on fixing it, don't know why it's still in the game but it shouldn't be in this video
Any pistol with wobbly gunslinger aiming animations - F tier. Desert Eagle now uses this ugly animation, the best are the the SR1M for armored enemies and OTs-33 for mutants since 9x18 is cheap, but due to sp10 ammo is quite rare and expensive, OTs-33 is the best early-game pistol in general.
I tried upgrading the USP Match to be fully automatic but for some reason prior to upgrading it switching fire modes does nothing and is still on single fire mode...
There are 4 tiers of weapons A B C D. Knowing the best in each rank is extremely important. Pistol s have 3 tiers based on early game, mid game, late game. A progressive tier list would be more helpful.
I surprised what PL is not in S tier, laser give it more useful with any main weapon And in full update had automatic fire (but version with scope is ugly)
Issues with the MP412 seem like a skill issue to me honestly. It fires the strongest pistol round, and can fire just fine and I don't really see your problem with it moving the aim around like you say. It is also vastly easier to find and repair generally than a deagle, making it an extremely power early gun. I tend to go for the .45s most of the time, but occasionally I find an early Rex and tear mutants (and honestly most early stalkers) with ease.
Thanks for all of your videos but let's be honest - if half of the weapons are A-tier it doesn't make much sense. I would rather see a lot those in B - they're okay but nothing special.
Is there a way to get the Pistols back from the Pretty Pistol Pack? For example the Variants of the Desert Eagle: Black, Silver and Gold? I tried to reinstall the Pretty Pistol Pack via MO2 but it doesn’t change… Can somebody help? :(
Typically it's just damage to your arms that affect sway. Handling reduces accuracy penalty from shooting while moving, shooting continuously, or shooting standing up Accuracy affect first shot accuracy, and generally lowers spread for shots - high accuracy makes your first shot always where your reticle is
All handguns in gamma is F tier lol Inaccurate, slow firerates and ttk , small capacity and can easily being replace by smg or shotgun. Handguns existed in gamma feel like is just for the sake of variety even in new game loadout there a lot of better gun to choose from rather than handguns
I'm convinced he makes these tier lists intentionally bad so he can get comments like this to promote engagement for the algorithm.. being small brain is actually big brain
I have to specify before commenting that there is no hate : but i find your tier list shit, all the S tier is ok but a lot are said as good when they are shit
Half of your A tier can be moved to B, half your B tier can be moved to C. Always so generous, Moxy.
I love this tier list serie of his but I have to agree. Its a bit odd when he say in the video the gun is medioker and yet adds it to A tier...
Hi, do you know maybe why my upgraded pl-15 has a very thick red dot? on the video he has a very nice little dot in it. You sounded like an experienced gamma user.
edit nvm I just installed scopes mod and its gucci, damn I love gamma, playing at 4k with shaders with around 90fps its BEAUTIFUL
Yeah it's a tough line, Last time I was very critical on the guns and I got quite a few people complaining that some guns were to low down. I'm not saying that I place the rankings purely to appease viewers, but maybe I was a bit too kind.
I was thinking the same thing.
For me, I would prefer Tier lists per Ammo caliber. Or tier list per purpose (mutant fight / stalker fight). As often you ask yourself what best gun I can use for all this 9x18 I stocked on
i'd prefer that too, or at least a recap at the end of the tier list series with all the notable weapons per caliber, just like last time
The PB is so bad that you used gameplay for the PL-15 in place of it
Oops...
@@nullmoxyhow would you rate XM177e2 ? Its not included in any of your vids
Dang what a nice content creator with quality gamma content i wonder if he streams on twitch or UA-cam
I personally love the Voigt Infinity because of its burst fire mode and have used it for almost my entire playthrough.
When timed right, the burst fire turns it from a semi into a makeshift fully auto .45, add hydro shock, and it absolutely decimates any mutant put in front of it, even pseudo giants only last a couple of seconds.
It basically becomes a pocket vector, but because of it low (I think) hip fire recoil, it's still extremely controllable.
seeing the TT-33 go down to F tier was shocking to me, its my favorite starter pistol as the 7.62x25 round actually has decent penetration for early game and fine damage, the sights are great (for me) aswell, i tend to use it over my primary and it slaps hard
Love these videos, really appreciate it as the game can be hard to navigate by itself and the discord is iffy at best
“here’s another mediocre gun, straight to A tier”
By his definition.. "A" means average. Meanwhile, in the rest of the world "C" class would be the mediocre rating.
I just found the FNX-45 a few days ago and was equally hating how it seemed like a direct upgrade to what I was carrying, until I looked down those horrible sights. Tossed the thing like 2 minutes after initially finding it.
I understand your point of view and yes it really is awful for a game. In real life though if set up right having a red dot combo with irons can help you a lot. In game it is worthless and makes the gun useless. I guess they just added it because some modder had a gun nut friend or wanted to implement it in the game.
The weird combo shight works well with night vision.
Personally I think Hi-Power and P226R are S-tier for me. For a simple reason - mass upgrade(an upgrade that lowers the gun's mass). Not many pistols can weight less then a kilo while loaded, and those guns - do. And since in the late game Pistols are kind of a "last chance guns" this makes it incredible logisticsvise. A.k.a. you don't need to think how to clear space in your backpack just to get yourself a pistol, you just take it, few HP and AP rounds, and you are good to go without real needance to empty your pockets for it.
There might be more guns with mass upgrade, that case they are also S tier, if not A
MP-412 is good when playing with mags enabled and you don't get Deagle (or mags for it) yet...
Fort is better than PM (sentiments that carries from ShoC up to GAMMA/EfP) and pick it instead (trying to edit loadout files if possible) before switching to Beretta out of sentiments.
I found a Coonan in Agroprom and it's been an absolute blast to use. The thing pastes mutants and looks good while doing it. Personal S tier.
the whispered words in the background of your audio had me thinking I was having a schizophrenic episode for a while lol, thanks
The 12 round p220 (not stalker version) is probably my favorite sidearm so far.
45 hydroshock in a lightweight pistol with a laser and suppressor is amazing.
His aim being atrocious also might not help ranking these weapons on a tier list, imo. Lol.
I remember the first time I saw a PB on Anomaly and bought it instantly. And I thought it was a good weapon due to being internally supressed, used it into the mid game and then found out about the Desert Eagle and realized how god awful the PB actually is
There are a couple interesting things about damage:
1. Korth 4 and Korth 6 have more damage than your typical .45ACP pistol. Not sure how that would affect your ranking tho, if at all.
2. rechambering a gun doesn't change its damage, so native 9x19 guns are marginally better than 9x18 ones rechambered to 9x19.
Also, you could probably add a bit more granularity to the list by moving guns without lasers a tier down, since lasers are completely busted thanks to point fire.
There is base weapon damage and round damage. If you rechamber .45 to 9x19, it will have less damage, but it will be more efficient against armor with AP rounds - kriss vector is the best example
I'm surprised that you gloss over suppressor availability, since a lot of the handguns don't support them.
Great content moxy keep up the awsome content. Also any thoughts on new mods to add to gamma?
Machine pistols are a novelty concept. More useful in video games than IRL. Full-auto modes have been found to be useless for machine pistols. They're better off with 2- or 3-round burst modes. And it's gotta be hyper-burst so each burst produces a recoil impulse that feels like one round being fired. Btw, what's the point of a 6-round mag in a semi-auto pistol?! Especially since there's another semi-auto pistol in the same caliber that uses 9-rounders!
7:56 Basically turning it into a P226.
8:38 Should have high accuracy by pistol standards. The only edge 7.62 Tokarev really has. Brandon Herrera calls it "Boomer five-seven," though that's a misnomer since it was invented during the time of the "Silent" generation by a man who was of (I think) the "Lost" generation.
8:51 That's why nobody makes .45 caliber machine pistols. Assume that the MAC-10 is a submachine gun intended to be fired from the shoulder.
Okay, Mr. Moxy, I can't be the only one that loves using weapons that have the canted sights style of "Scope" on weapons. If I may be so bold to make a suggestion, be the only person that's puts together a list or video with that information on it. I will literally go out of my way to use a weapon that makes use of them even I find something better stat wise. I know that some guns like the Monolith Ak has a laser sight that's canted and it rocks! Some pistols do too. Nobody has that information out there and I can't be the only one that likes that either. Love your content man, keep it up.
I hate canted sights, but I love using a laser as my canted sight.
I'm looking forward to the first of april when you publish a tier list of useless items or compare the protective capabilities of gras sprites
or make a big list just to put everything in the same tier.
... no one ever considered the pros and cons of bolts vs. shell casings or the quality of different porn mags xD
@sci_ent_ificsui_neg9236
I forgot: There is no humor in the Zone ... there is just cheeki breeki
I actually really enjoy the voight infinity. It's slick and it's good against low teir mutants. And maybe bandits of you don't wanna spend your good ammo.
I hope someone makes an RSH12 mod that gets added.
Definitely second the Glock Hornet. I found it at advanced toolkit in a white stash and it's a vibe. Recoil is maybe just a bit rough without upgrades, and combined with no optics means your target might get obstructed at mid-range if you're using a suppressor. You probably don't need one anyway. Definitely an economical hip-fire close range champion.
(For Mags players: If you're having trouble finding extended magazines, they're actually the KRISS Vector .45 ACP magazines since the irl Vector can use Glock magazines. They're sold by NATO traders (Lvl 2 upwards? pls correct if wrong) and you just have to right click -> retool. There's no actual 40rd mag as of writing. There's a 33rd mag categorized as small, and a 50rd categorized as medium. The small mag is already good enough. Just fill up all your small slots and leave your larger slots free for your rifles/smgs.)
Btw I don't really have your issue with the MP412? At least on GAMMA for me, the single-action animation seems to be purely aesthetic? Like you can shoot as fast as you click just like any semi-auto. There's no screen shake or anything. One variant even comes with a red dot by default. It's become my favorite mutant pistol alongside the Hornet.
bro fkin killed a chimera with A GLOCK DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
In the current version of GAMMA, the P99 has two upgrade kits that don't seem to work. There are two versions of the base pistol in the game, and neither of them seem to be upgradable.
The fnx45 has co witnessed irons sights which is a good thing irl but not in a game
Fun fact : you'll only use these pea shooter against a blind dog rather than a suited up monolith guy with an exosuit. Or any enemies in general
if the Glock 19 Hornet ended up anywhere outside of S tier I would have been sad, easily my favorite pistol in the game and my primary mutant killing gun, freeing up my primary slots for a sniper and a cqb gun
Pew Pew. Love your videos 👍
Korth 6" - S tier, because it has small recoil, auto mode and the biggest damage of any other .45 pistols. It kills almost every mutant by only ONE mag. Also it has supressor and scope. Imho Korth 6" is greatest for mutants.
P.S. - you may also put supressor (which gives you some performance enhancements) and scope.
Could you include the weight of each gun in the lists? Personally I find that to be a good deciding factor for each weapon I carry
Any chance of doing a tier list or guide on Nimble? I don't really know too much about his selections in GAMMA/Anomaly.
My man, even you missed one more pistol or I missed it: When you kill monolith chosen he got artefact and 9’19 pistol called Ford-21 or something. It says that it were made by Israel and USA as I remember. Two times I finished this dude and every time I got this pistol from him. All the times I bring this gun to base and repair it, after repairs I just throw it in gun case like a good addition to my collection.
yeah, eidolon carries the jericho 941, a gun you can't get anywhere else
@@slavboi8981 yeah, thanks man
pretty sure they're not in this tier list because of its unique drop condition.
actually, i think you will find the 1911 won two world wars 80 years ago and therefore is peak modern handgun
imo upgraded for higher bullet speed Korth 6 is the 2nd best pistol against mutants after Desert Eagle
ngl, I kind of just pack a shotgun/sniper along with my trusty G36 or AK-103/AK-Alfa... and my 1911/USP/Glock is in the Binoculars slot. Well, unless I'm expecting to raid a base and need to spot better.
I mostly use it as my security blanket when Artifact Hunting, as well as to finish off Monolith that are writhing on the floor. Because, you know, they always suicide on you.
i don't use handgun much cause i only mainly use assault rifle and shotgun, but i do slot in a 357 magnum sometimes on the vision slot for backup. coonan doesn't feel right for me when i use it, not enough oomph
Why does the debug menu at 6:47 have so many duplicates? Such as the FN FIVE SEVEN? My debug looks the same it’s just always bugged me
thank you for the video
I really enjoy the PM haha...
im stioll curious if they changed the Five seveN to where you can put optics on it again?
No, they have not.
The Steppe Eagle is F tier. It makes my game crash almost every time I equip it xD.
Don't use it, it's actually broken Grok knows about it and is apparently working on fixing it, don't know why it's still in the game but it shouldn't be in this video
Whats broken? I just got it from Nimble today and didnt have any issues.
What happened to the USP Match Tactical in 9 by 19?
Doesn't spawn in GAMMA
@@nullmoxy it does unless they removed it in a recent patch. It did in 0.9.1
@@joeedwards3586they did remove it in the 2nd Anniversary patch.
Wich one is more enjoyable, stalker gamma or redux?
redux?
@@ncrranger2281 ye u don't know redux one?
@@Stellarisiumwhat's that?
oh its stalker But its pretty good stalker i recomend you to dowload it if u love stalker@@throwaway-
Any pistol with wobbly gunslinger aiming animations - F tier. Desert Eagle now uses this ugly animation, the best are the the SR1M for armored enemies and OTs-33 for mutants since 9x18 is cheap, but due to sp10 ammo is quite rare and expensive, OTs-33 is the best early-game pistol in general.
Knife tier list next
I tried upgrading the USP Match to be fully automatic but for some reason prior to upgrading it switching fire modes does nothing and is still on single fire mode...
There are 4 tiers of weapons A B C D. Knowing the best in each rank is extremely important. Pistol s have 3 tiers based on early game, mid game, late game. A progressive tier list would be more helpful.
When it comes to repair kits, all pistols are A tier, so it is not worth mentioning.
Hey Moxy, what POV HUD POV values do you use?
90 FOV, 0.65 HUD FOV
6:34 except it has worst durability (maybe in whole game?) and it breaks VERY quickly. Especially when used against mutant - so shooting a lot.
Just repair smh, the rpm and the mag are very worth to trade the durability
Dont forget the upgraded 9x19 usp that ecologist uae
Gun is gun shoot gun good
I surprised what PL is not in S tier, laser give it more useful with any main weapon
And in full update had automatic fire
(but version with scope is ugly)
what about the USP MATCH? hmm
Korth being anything less than S tier is criminal
7 round mag. Should have 2 of them to survive unexpected mutant encounter.
I think there are 2 more fort pistols that u missed. fort 17 and 21 (21's reload animation is kinda cool imo)
The Fort 17 doesn't spawn in GAMMA and the 21 you can only get from Eidolon
Wait you stream1!!??1🤯
They need to overhaul the pistols imo
Issues with the MP412 seem like a skill issue to me honestly. It fires the strongest pistol round, and can fire just fine and I don't really see your problem with it moving the aim around like you say. It is also vastly easier to find and repair generally than a deagle, making it an extremely power early gun. I tend to go for the .45s most of the time, but occasionally I find an early Rex and tear mutants (and honestly most early stalkers) with ease.
Thanks for all of your videos but let's be honest - if half of the weapons are A-tier it doesn't make much sense. I would rather see a lot those in B - they're okay but nothing special.
What are you doing Steppe eagle
Is there a way to get the Pistols back from the Pretty Pistol Pack? For example the Variants of the Desert Eagle: Black, Silver and Gold?
I tried to reinstall the Pretty Pistol Pack via MO2 but it doesn’t change…
Can somebody help? :(
Why do you call the p226 a glock clone? They couldn't be more different pistols
Good video but you can't call a Sig P226 a "glock clone", that's just mean on so many levels
Does someone know if it'a accuracy or handling that reduce weapon sway when aiming ?
Typically it's just damage to your arms that affect sway.
Handling reduces accuracy penalty from shooting while moving, shooting continuously, or shooting standing up
Accuracy affect first shot accuracy, and generally lowers spread for shots - high accuracy makes your first shot always where your reticle is
Are u playing on debug mode?
To record videos, yes
Bro, do you stream?
maybe
How u can use extra zoom with iron sights?
It's a mod setting in the mod manager of gamma, I think the mod is called freelook or smth.
Top Side Mouse Button
D...where can i find tools in the great swamps?
Yellow Stashes
Yes the sights on the fnx are horrible! Haven't heard many other people say that
15 ammo in a pistol is bad???/ wow
All handguns in gamma is F tier lol
Inaccurate, slow firerates and ttk , small capacity and can easily being replace by smg or shotgun. Handguns existed in gamma feel like is just for the sake of variety even in new game loadout there a lot of better gun to choose from rather than handguns
99 % of this is f tier
no PB footage. dislike, unsub, not petting the fps cat.
ok maybe ill pet the cat but the others still apply.
The PB is THAT bad
I'm convinced he makes these tier lists intentionally bad so he can get comments like this to promote engagement for the algorithm.. being small brain is actually big brain
I have to specify before commenting that there is no hate : but i find your tier list shit, all the S tier is ok but a lot are said as good when they are shit
this guy knows the game but doesnt know how to rank stuff for sure
You're crazy, you sit at that game all year, don't you? , You're completely obsessed with the game LMFAO
If I'm not streaming or making content, I don't play stalker
@@nullmoxy do you play any mods other than gamma?
Where you stream? the instruction are unclear and i ended on invadir Bolivia! e.e