The GAMMA Shotgun Tier List
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- Hey, In this video I will rank every shotgun in S.T.A.L.K.E.R GAMMA from S to F tier. Please give any feedback either live while I'm streaming or in the comments. Thank you and enjoy the video.
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00:15 - TOZ-66
00:32 - Ithaca Defence
00:45 - Ithaca Trenchgun
00:56 - Ithaca Stakeout
01:13 - KS-23
01:49 - Mossberg 590a1
01:59 - MP-133
02:09 - MP-153
02:22 - Carabineer
02:34 - Armsel Protecta
02:59 - RAPTR
03:19 - Remington 870
03:30 - KS-12/Saiga ISG
03:46 - Saiga Nerd
03:59 - Saiga Merc
04:06 - SPAS-12
04:20 - TOZ-106
04:42 - TOZ-34
04:51 - TOZ-34 "Chimera Hunter"
05:03 - TOZ-194
05:18 - Outro
shotguh - Ігри
"The gun is only good while there's ammo in it"
-Moxy, 2024
You can interrupt the reload, but it's still a pain. Just like the real-world clunker.
The KS-23 does have an upgradable variant Drozd which allows it to put silencer and gets a 1x on it. Doesn't change much, but it's nice.
Drozd is a game changer for ks23. after upgrade. KS23 Dorzd can be fit into pistol slot. Turn it to a pocket cannon.
I actually use the drozd in place of an Assault rifle when I attack the CNPP, since sin drop it semi consistently in gamma and it's ammo is reasonably cheap to stockpile as long as you're allies with duty or free stalkers and the CNPP is close range anyway
@@jimbothegymbro7086 Imagine not doing CNPP with a bricked up Glock 19 Hornet and 1,000 rounds of 9x19 AP
@@shinefirex5185the only downside is that you scatter the loot in a 50 meter wide area from the engagement if you are in open :D
@@hivecasts thats why lv3 PDA is essential. just need to breakdown 100 broken headlamp and small radio.
SPAS 12 should be S tier since it's only a type B weapon, meaning it's easier to fix one in the early game. You only need a basic toolkit to make the cleaning kit, surpassing the MP-153 that requires a C kit (which needs advanced tools for crafting) and holds only 6 rounds instead of 8. It's quite weird that the SPAS is on the same level as all the TOZ shotguns.
Didn't they make it rather rare in some recent patch? In my play through I only found one after reaching Jupiter and Zaton. Easier to find C tools and some rather impressive 5.56 or 5.45 assault rifles.
it is a solid early game pick, but I'd pick pretty much any mag fed shotgun over it, in terms of single shell reloads though it is the top of the pack so long as you don't mind it's lack of optic (who cares about optics on a shotgun, it's a to whom it may concern weapon)
@@mikharju found the SPAS 12 in garbage, think mercs use them too. Never heard they nerfed it tho.
@@jimbothegymbro7086 yes but most mag fed shotguns that have 10+ rounds need a expert tools to fix up. It's quite the late game for considering a shotgun since you be swimming in rounds at that point. Again at early game when you are piss poor and only have access to basic tool kit is when the SPAS will outperform other type B shotguns.
The SPAS isn't an S tier and wouldn't be one in a million years. Slow reload speed, slow firerate and no scope selection. It's a good early game gun for mutants but it's not much better than the remington 870 (which can be used just as early), worse than most of the .45 and .357 handguns like the strayer voigt and the desert eagle, and completely outclassed by the carabinier and the saigas. It's a solid B tier early game shotgun and that's that.
Got to say, the KS-23 has kind of replaced assault rifles for me when I plan to take routes through Monolith territory. It just decimates anything in its path.
Ackchyually, to "decimate" means "to reduce BY one-tenth." With the KS-23, it's more like you reduce their mass TO one-tenth. };-P
I think that would be the best place for it the big muties and monalith take out the little muties so the issue of hordes isnt a big deal
Great guide, but what can I say, beggars can't be choosers.
What do you find on a body is what you get.
accept what you have, make the most of it. -my granddad
nah im still not repairing the bolt action shotgun
The Saiga variants are more liekly A tier at best. While they are magazine fed and can have attachements, they suffer from rarity, cost of upgrading/maintaining and still only have a smaller capacity. The Raptr might be the only true S(+) shotgun in Gamma at all
What cost of upgrade? Every gun could be upgraded. Same with maintenance. Rarity doesn't matter since the Raptr is much rarer.
I just found my first expert tools today. I had been using the Saiga nerd earlier and I liked it so much. But I had found a Saiga-12 ISG earlier and was waiting for the expert tools to fix it with. Now that I finally got to try it out, I feel it's better stability makes it far better than the nerd variant which kicks so hard that it is difficult to put fast shots into the same mutant even if the fire rate allows to get those shots off before the thing runs or leaps at me. With the ISG variant it is so much easier. I would put them in different tiers because of this. But then I don't know if there are enough tiers to spread out the shotguns so far. And the nerd variant was already very nice. Maybe the ISG could be a rare S+ special mention thing.
Now excuse me as I go figure out where to get all the materials to fix this one stolen exoskeleton I found earlier... :D
good luck with fixing the exo my dude, had the mono exo + spartan helmet repaired in the most succesful invictus run (traded one life for that spartan, which was dumb but worth it xD)
upgrades + steel plates, any ballistic artefact and a volat makes you INVINCIBLE
one advice for running an exo, get the reactor experimental PSU
drops the power consumption to 50%, so you wont need to buy half of the zone's supply of exo batteries, saving you A LOT of money
if you're farming exo parts I find the sin base in red forest a decent if risky place to find the parts, another one is the monolith bases in pripyat and outskirts but that region is generally a cluster eff so good luck in there
Both RAPTR and ISG are tier SSS, they're two heads above every other shotgun mainly because they're basically SMGs
@@slimpwarrior the main issues I have with them are the high tier repair kits (warranted for their power) and the fact that shotgun ammo is so heavy, I always tend to opt for a 45 or 9mm SMG for anti mutant since then I can also use it against low tier stalkers for less weight
the thwump of it's shots and shredding high tier mutants make it a fun if sub-optimal choice so I see why you enjoy it
i mentioned this in another post, but the Saiga-12 ISG variant has a 2-round burst which is really good for stuff that needs to die really fast. it's burst turns it basically into a stronger ks-23 - 6 bursts vs 4 shots (though the armor pen for the ks-23 is higher). i don't like the 3-burst upgrade option though, it removes the 2-round burst and the 2-round burst feels better to me.
Pretty accurate depiction of shotties
With mags tho, this gets more interesting. Single loaded shotguns don't need mags, thus such shotgun as a secondary will be much better than magazine fed ones. Tested it on AK105 and SPAS combo, it's so good. With OTs-33 as a backup, it made my early and midgame a cakewalk, the only challenge was actually cleaning those guns before I found any toolkits xd
The semi-auto tube guns suddenly become _much_ more viable once Mags Redux is enabled. The 153 has a special place in my heart for exactly this reason.
@@dylanwight5764 153 has a place in my heart because my dad owns one of those, and I used it multiple times on hunting trips
Also it's hella good in game
Hell yeah, man. Your tier lists are godsent.
I love these tier lists, very helpful for us new players. Great job, keep it up
Hope you doin' well
I really like that you remake/update your tier list videos. They are a great resource for info, advice, entertainment ect.
If I had to name anything to improve: include the weight since it can be a deciding factor especially for early game.
Cheers
Super excited for the update of these videos
Thank you so much for updating these lists, they're a goldmine of information.
the toz 106 is my go to gun for starting in gamma. Any shotgun is still better than no shotgun, but other than that this thing will be thrown out as soon as i have anything else. Usually a Saiga from mercs in wild territorry/army warehouse
Chimera hunter TOZ-34 is most brutal gun in the game. It have double shot so you can do 700+ dmg per hit. It can oneshot chimera from close range and im talking from experience. Plus that ragdoll effect is very funny sometimes.
saiga gives me such nostalgia from rainbow six siege... gotta be one of the coolest shotguns in the game, carabineer a close second
I think some of the guns that are mid or bad here are largely offset by either having a specific use case (burst damage in the chimera hunter's case, very high capacity in the early game in the striker's case) or offset easily by having a backup Hollowpoint mag in your primary rifle or a good mutant-killing handgun.
The KS23/Drozd are kinda mid on their own yeah, but if you combine that with a pocket .45 or load some hollowpoints into a 5.45 rifle as you're about to encounter mutants on backup, they become seriously one of the best late-game options because they can put down large mutants quick. Even the venerable Raptr struggles a bit in outskirts now because of all the dang chimeras (especially if you play with mags on) and that upfront damage is worth having in your back pocket as a counter-pick if you go there hunting for tools earlier in the northern part of your run.
The 23mm imo is also one of the only consistently *safe* ways of dealing with bloodsuckers, because aiming for upper mass will reliably put them down in one shot or stagger them hard enough to interrupt their surprise attack. It's just worth noting that 23mm counters a lot of late game mutants in ways that 12 gauge just cannot, the minor AP effect makes it basically the only buckshot that is worthwhile to use against stalkers, and the slug AP will even take out weaker exos if you've got a little luck and some patience. (I once killed eidolon with a ks23 lol)
Actually there is also a Vepr saiga variant. 12 mag size, otherwise similar to other saigas. Seen it only once on cnpp raid
Any recommendations for getting the RAPTR? Wanting to start another playthrough but on my last one i haven't been able to get one after around 50hrs of playtime. I did all the main-content by then and had most of the best artifacts so i had no reason to continue playing. That was on the most recent update.
I find some of your points useful even for a vanilla Anomaly, which I play now
The ithica trench actually has some unique stats that kinda stand out. Its range is much further than other shotguns, can land compact shots with buck from further away.
TOZ-34 Hunter is underrated imo
0:18 On top of all that, your character reloads "wrong-handed" like a fudd. By that, I mean using the shootin' hand instead of the support hand. It was done right in 'nilla ShoC and older versions of Lost Alpha (based on Build 1935), so I don't understand that. Also, those older versions depicted the hammers being cocked correctly, thumbed back with the thumb instead of palmed back with the palm as we see in two of the core S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games and most mods based on them.
0:35 Seven standard rounds is the capacity of just the mag tube alone. If you do a proper "combat load" like yer 'sposed ta, it would hold a total of eight. To do a combat load with a bottom-ejector, you simply load one shell into the mag tube, cycle the action, then load the rest.
0:50 Older model with "slam-fire."
0:56 Michael Biehn used one of those in 'Aliens'. He used the M&P (military and police) version in 'The Terminator'. The Stakeout model has a 13" barrel and a mag tube that fits almost flush with that stubby barrel. Total capacity should be five rounds (four in the tube plus one in the barrel), but they screwed that up for no reason, thereby handicapping a gun that could have otherwise been really handy.
1:00 Your character knows to cycle the first round into chamber instead of the last (something most video games get wrong), yet doesn't know that there's space in the tube for one more round! That's insulting! That's insulting to both the gun and to us zoners!
1:04 Slower fire rate makes sense because it's a newer model without slam-fire. The absence of slam-fire makes it safer in practical use since the whole slam-fire thing is really kind of an impractical gimmick IRL. Plus, it has a stockless pistol grip which would drastically decrease ergonomics and handling characteristics. The only upside is convenience since you easily carry the thing around all day in a scabbard strapped to a backpack (or slung directly on yer back like Dwayne Hicks).
1:19 The Russians don't like it either. They think it's "too American." If every country had a signature weapon, the combat shotgun would be the American one. One of our "Iconic Arms," so to speak.
1:28 Only because no one ever thought to give it a mag extension. If it had a mag tube that fit flush with that 20" barrel, it would hold two more rounds.
1:31 Blast a chimera out of the air with it! Zone Sportsmanship style! Sir Hammerlock would approve!
1:54 Should hold a total of nine standard (18.5x70mm) rounds if you load the chamber first. On a side-ejector, directly loading the chamber first is how you do a "combat load." Mossberg figured out how to fit one more shell into the mag tube of the 590 just by shortening the follower compared to the model 500 with the same mag tube and barrel length. But if you're using 12-gauge Magnum rounds (18.5x76mm), subtract one. So then it holds eight. GLaD they gave it a proper stock. Only an idiot would put a stockless pistol grip on a combat shotgun that comes standard with ghost ring sights.
Note: Wait, the 590's icon depicts it with a stockless pistol grip, but the in-view model depicts it with a standard "wrist" stock. Does the inventory icon not match the in-world and/or in-view model?
2:05 It has the same mag tube length as the Ithaca 37 Stakeout, so how and why did they get one right and the other wrong?! I don't understand how it's possible to overlook details like this! It's insulting!
2:41 Zone Sportsmanship style! It's even more fun with lurkers. And even more fun with chimeras! And even more fun still when it's chimeras but yer blasting them out of the air with 40-mils!
2:45 Fortunately, you can interrupt the reload as needed, but it's still a pain.
3:25 Proper capacity if it has a 20" barrel and a flush-fit mag tube. Seven in the tube, one in the chamber. Subtract one if using 3" (76mm) Magnum rounds.
3:40 Anton Chigurh can eat his heart out! };-P
3:50 It's like they don't understand shotgun mags of any type! Firstly, a 10- or 12-round box mag for a 12-gauge is gonna be stupidly huge, bulky, and inconvenient. A 6-rounder is a more reasonable size. The Saiga 12 is usually used with 5- to 8-rounders. In most older mods that have the Saiga 12, it's used with 8-rounders. Some mods visually depict it with a 5- or 6-round mag, but it holds eight because some people don't know how to use the angular gyrus in the right hemisphere of their brain.
4:14 Iron sights are all it needs. Notice how yer character properly chamber-loads it. So why not do that with ALL side-ejecting fixed-tube guns like yer 'sposed ta?! Most people who know how to do that (like Paul Harrell) do it consistently.
4:16 Notice how, like the real-world clunker, you have to hold down the bolt release while loading it. Most "autoloadahs" are like that, but Remington figured out a way around it with their model 11-87. They built the bolt release into the loading gate. That simplifies everything.
4:24 20-gauge is actually quite capable IRL. Some say, "Twenty is plenty." In metric, it's 15.6mm (70mm standard, 76mm Magnum just like 12-gauge/18.5mm). Btw, 10-gauge is 19.7mm and is the largest shotgun gauge that isn't "legally" (read "unconstitutionally") classified as a "destructive device."
5:06 Would hold eight if yer dude loaded the chamber first like with the SPAS-12. The only thing more irritating than getting things like this wrong is getting them wrong inconsistently.
I am once again asking for an artifact tier list that doesn’t count the perk ones in it, I will grovel and beg in my hands and knees if I must
I would have moved everything that's in A tier to B tier, and then put the Saiga Nerd and Merc in A tier. Also Armsel Protecta is F tier for the reload time.
I know it ain't good but the Protecta is so damn fun to use that I can't help myself. Especially the variants with the sights.
I'm still waiting for the misery 870 shorty implemantation. I take it its 4 rounds and innacurate, but it's nice, I'd like it if it would fit pistol slot.
Toz34 - s tier, everything else - f tier😊😊
There is another version of the toz-106 with a four-round magazine and optics, it is slightly better.
Forgot to mention the RAPTR has full auto mode, and that the ISG comes with 2 round burst.
ngl, burst fire in stalker is useless
justo el video que andaba buscando aun que no se ingles XD
Tier list contains almost 500 years of wisdom. Oh great sage I shall put your S tiers to use!
I have a soft spot for the Remington 870. for midgame it's an incredibly solid shotty.
EDIT: I too prefer the Saiga ISG over the Raptor. couldn't even tell you why, maybe it's the shorter draw/holster animation, maybe it's the faster fire rate, maybe because the saiga *looks* more like a shotgun than the raptor, no idea.
One good thing about shotguns is that even the terrible ones are useful in the beginning. Honestly once I get an SMG I lose the shotty. Well placed shots and awareness means I'm going to kill any mutants faster and from a farther distance. Not to mention the magazine size as well.
ngl they could make the Toz-106 semi viable in early - mid game if they added 2 options to the upgrade menu, add an option to half the reload speed and another option to double the fire rate and have them only cost rubles.
The main thing that turned me off on the saiga nerd and its variants was the wield animation. To put it simply waiting for the safety to be gingerly turned off is not great when you suddenly have bloodsuckers or cats upon you.
Moxy please help us about FN SCAR-H "Specialist Operator" It has two main sights (not canted) Is it possible to switch between them? Pressing V goes to canted sight but its just the laser.
As in un-flip the magnifier, it's not possible
@@nullmoxy thank you! I can sleep now 😄
I agree with the list and also prefer the Saiga 12 overall as well. Not sure why but the SPAS seems to do less damage than some other shotguns. Even in your video, when you were shooting dogs with the SPAS it wasn't killing them when hit. Maybe it has a big spread or the sight is off in game.
Is the TOZ-106 the only one that uses the 20 gauge ammo?
Cool video.
K-23 shreds through stalkers it being br5 pen imo it should really be S
shotguh
good the see the change of heart on the KS-23
even with your (mostly understandable) hate for shotguns
Understandable hate?
Saiga Nerd should have been in A tier instead considering the Merc version is just a direct upgrade in every way.
I don't like using any 23mm guns in general because I feel like every time I pull the trigger I waste money.
Wait, Gamma removes the TOZ Bizon?
Rifle tier next pleeeease
my most recent run had me starting with an over under double barrel, then i upgraded to a defender, and finally have a carabineer. I love my shotguns so much, slugs just feel so nice to use
I'm a weirdo for still using pump action shotguns even with access to full auto monsters like Raptor. There's something with well placed shots instead of spamming them and wasting all that ammo.
Wonder if they nerf KS23 in the future?
TOZ bolt action? The only good part is the ammo - cheam to buy, disassemble and craft one for KS-23/Chimera Hunter.
I do love the raptr but a pump action is always so much more satisfying to use.
ks 23 only A tier.
Excuse me
i am angry
Better than D tier
@@nullmoxy Not in my purist eyes mr moxy
Mox i think i mess up something coz my raptor is a historic not a army one, thoughts?
Try updating your gamma
Wake up, nullmoxy dropped another tier list video.
You could've went for the smg I'm confused about my secondary.
soon...
@@nullmoxy keep up the good work mate.
3:35 K12 ISG you kinda missed talking about the best feature of the gun - the two shot burst. it's basically the shotgun cousin of the AN-94.
The whole point of the KS23 / drozd /chimera hunter is to have a good gun to kill said chimeras/pseudogiants on the cheap. late game i usually run around with a drozd in the backpack that i only switch out to engage chimera (4 good hits) or pseudogiants (8 good hits = 2 mags). it's hard to beat the cheap and effective ammo per kill.
But the burst mode doesn't increase the fire rate? So what's the point in using it over single fire.
@@nullmoxy from my experience i could get about double the fire rate with the burst. in single shot each click has a delay till the next shot can be fired even if it should fire faster with a firerate of 400. with the 2-shot burst it shoots another shot in the delay time if you time your clicks somewhat right. feel free to try it out. i think it has the highest burst dmg of all shotguns. for that reason i really like the burst for killing bloodsuckers. for sustained dps an upgraded raptr focused on firerate is still superior though.
An easy fix for the armsel protect reload time: just carry 5 more loaded ones in your backpack 😂
i think the only reason i use the toz double barrel is cuz i think it looks nice
The Toz 106 should be alone in F tier for having awful firerate, capacity, and not having access to slugs.
It still puzzles me why Grok put that piece of shit in while taking the SVT-40 out. Just why?
Happy to see Armsel protecta getting a bit more recognition this time round, I still think you sleep on it a bit.
I'm not claiming its the best gun for later, but it is worth it for early game, having 2x the capacity of most other early-game options is great until you start finding tougher enemies that take more shots.
Also, the FULL reload might be 22 seconds, but you can also reload cancel by pressing shoot when reloading or switching weapons to fire it again sooner, so say if there's just one dog left, you can reload two rounds, cancel and it's good to go.
Wholeheartedly agree about armsel. The thing is the early game monster and as I am playing with mags, I found myself using armsel even in midgame until I find at least Mercenary variant of Saiga.
it is unfortunate you didnt include efp weapons ik its not as popular but I personally enjoy it
I'll probably make a separate tierlist for EFP Weapons
@@nullmoxy best stalker content creator thanks man
Most of the pump shotguns feel off to use due to the slow rate of fire. I get why grok did it, for gameplay balance of course but most of the time they just feel like a bad choice to run. That and the model choices are pretty crap, outside of the toz194 & mp133, which I'd still prefer a longer mag tube on like stock anomaly. The Ithaca's look and feel like crap to use and the pistol grip & heatshield 590a1 is the worst 590a1 hands down. Only person running that garbage is a hick who's stuffing it down the back seat of his pickup truck.
imo saiga nerd should be dropped to A
its still a god tier shotgun, but 6 round mag + WP scopes < saiga merc with 8 rounds and many more 1x scopes to choose from
also any fan of mp153/carabineer can burn in hell, straight to F tier, god i fucking hate those shotguns with a burning passion
ofc im joking, they're still B tier at most, but losing an invictus run to a bloodsucker that ate 5 shots like it was nothing aint my cup of tea :(
If I could add one gun into Stalker it'd be a Colt Python, but after that it'd be Colt single action, but AFTER THAT it'd probably be H&K CAWS
Honestly, would've been great if there were added unique quests with unique/concept weapons sort of like in Stalker SoC. CAWS, XM8 and similar things
There's a mod for that, and it works pretty easily with GAMMA just plug it in and play.
Saiga deez
needs ksg
Very good video, but I really do wish you criticized the Protecta more, its lightning-quick reload time is kinda broken they should really increase it.
U have all the weapons and with scopes on them and i have onli a handgun...i dont understant how to get weapons and how to get tools
Weapons you get from killing enemies and repairing them. Tools you get from Yellow stashes.
pour moi c'est le USSA 12, je ne l'ai pas vu dans la vidéo
The USAS doesn't spawn in GAMMA
USAS-12?
It doesn't spawn in gamma
stil no aa-12
saiga nerd has too much recoil in fact I find it hard to connect shots because of the recoil and I preferred carabiner over it
Sry nothing can beat ks-23 for me
kS-23 is S teir cmon
L video beacuse your opinion is difrent then mine :33
erm.... are you saying you don't have the exact same opinion as I do...
wtf man too far
I don't know why the hell the bolt action tos has such a small magazine bro you can just make it longer