Final Fantasy VII Rebirth Critique
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- Join me as I follow Cloud and friends out of Midgar and into a world that seems stranger still. It's time for Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth to shoulder Remake's multiverse of baggage, but is it up to the task?
Timestamps:
00:00:00 Intro
00:04:55 World Map
00:09:32 Towns and iconic locations
00:15:45 Multiverse
00:20:25 Sephiroth
00:27:36 Crossing the world
00:31:33 Barret and Dyne
00:38:18 Losing the magic
00:44:23 Aerith's moment
00:48:14 Outro
Credits:
© SQUARE ENIX
CHARACTER DESIGN: TETSUYA NOMURA / ROBERTO FERRARI
LOGO ILLUSTRATION: © YOSHITAKA AMANO
Dumb and Dumber - New Line Cinema
Star Wars Trilogy - Lucasfilm
The Fellowship of the Ring - New Line Cinema, Wingnut Films
Sliding Doors - Miramax Films, Paramount Pictures
Pexels:
Friends Wearing Their 3D Glasses - cottonbro studio
A Man Looking at the Mirror - Ron Lach
A Couple Playing A Game Of Jenga At Home While Having A Glass Of Wine - cottonbro studio
A Couple Playing A Game Of Jenga At Home - cottonbro studio
Setting The Pillows On The Bed - cottonbro studio - Ігри
![The Good, the Bad, and the Ending [Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/xFxwN7yDlpQ/mqdefault.jpg)
![The Good, the Bad, and the Ending [Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth]](/img/tr.png)
Remake critique: ua-cam.com/video/0mZIJ9gHTqQ/v-deo.html
Intermission critique: ua-cam.com/video/uP_YxSDNSAE/v-deo.html
Came here from Think Before You Sleeps channel.
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The issue with Rebirth and Remake is that both games set out to answer questions that nobody ever asked in the first place.
@@kl-nl3kv no. the compilation was a sequel that built off the first game with stories directly interconnected to the main plot. The REMAKE and REBIRTH stories was multiverse what if flabbergasted. Its like.. Gynesis makes sense because he ties into the Crisis Core story line and makes a appearance after Dirge post credits. The story of Danizel makes sense because it tells the story about what happened to midgar after Meteor's failed summoning and those affected by Genosimga.
The new games do none of that, attempt to retcon and insult everyone by saying it already happened in a different universe. Its time to stop deflecting and making excuses, let's own up that these aren't exactly good stories let alone good games.
@@ActionSquintRingorebirth isn't good? I swear ppl choose to hate on anything. 2 years later, yall will be praising the game🙄
@ steel
people are not even praising Remake and the darn game is still too high! its been almost 6 years now lol.
@@kl-nl3kv I'm not really sure where you are even going. And I answered your questions. Compilation was a sequel with interconnected stories. The Remake Rebirth wasn't a remake, wasn't a retelling, wasn't a sequel but something entirely different. Hence one of the many reasons it failed. If you didn't play it, thats fine. But being ostracized for not liking Remake or Rebirth is crazy, it does more damage to the title than anything else could. I mean Sony and Square are splitting. Not even getting into that but that's a radical departure and we all know why. (It isn't multiplat issues).
Rebirth is great except for the ending. From the moment you reach the temple of ancients til the end you see everything going off logic 😂
I think what annoys me the most is after all of this, Sephiroth's plan is literally the same thing but with multiverse. Not only that, but his plan is terrible. Dude couldn't beat one Cloud, so he creates infinite Clouds to whoop his butt harder. He even tries to kick Zack and Aerith out of the pocket dimension because he can't handle Cloud having teammates.
OG Bizarro Sephiroth: It takes the entire party working together to defeat him.
Rebirth Bizarro Sephiroth: Cloud and Zack solo him.
Sephiroth as a powerful, threatening villain has been utterly ruined, thanks Square
To the Aertih ending:
I think the end of remake was like Last Jedi, the broke everything for the Sake of subvertion, but then when Fans told them they hate it, the pulled a Rise of Skywalker with this
I see fans of FF6 and 8 upset that 9 is supposedly getting a remake before them and like…. Y’all should BE HAPPY that square isn’t going to destroy those games
Ff9 is my favorite JRPG in general, it will be heart breaking to see the Nomuraversion of it
Doctor Kitase in the Multiverse of Mehness.
The remake tells you how to feel and adds action figures slapping robots for dopamine
One of the major things with Aerith’s death in the original is there was zero time to grieve/no memories forced on the player to emphasize the hole created by her loss.
The other side of this is how much they shove sephiroth/iconic songs in our face robbing the gravity of their presence from the original. The fact we get ANOTHER final sephiroth fight (and a hamfisted bizarro) just makes fighting him/interacting with him as a pest rather than this heavy force moving behind the scenes.
Less is more.
Remember that from 2005 up to early 2020, nearly every Final Fantasy 7 fan asking for a Remake was a "Purist".
Now it's supposedly a bad thing? I don't think so. Proud FF7 "Purist" right here.
Yeah, there's a lot of weird gaslighting from these remake game fans.
@@mikespearwood3914remake fans also keep desperately claiming this remake project was the original vision for the 1997 game that couldn’t be realised due to limitations. Strange kids.
@@ItsSVO They're right. It couldn't be released back then because the developers were limited by these things called 'standards' and 'being at the top of their game'.
I don't think it's been remarked on enough - like, in any format relating to Remake I mean, not just Orion's videos - how Nojima, Kitase and Nomura are exhausted old men who are going to be pensioned off in a few years. When you keep that in mind, it explains a lot about what's happened with Remake.
At most there were people who wanted things like an option to bring Aerith back, but even they most of the time understood that was a huge issue since the game kind of works because of it. No one out there was asking for it to be made a multiverse where Zack is okay and all of this
Yup, nobody can claim that Remake and Rebirth is what they wanted. They invent any excuse to revise history to justify buying it.
"They were never within touching distance of remaking this game."
A quote that encapsulates this entire experience. It's like that Dom quote from the first F&F movie. "Almost had me? You never had me. You never had your car."
Dom is the OG. Brian is the Remake project. And the car is legacy. This project will fade away into irrelevance and obscurity a few years after its conclusion simply because it's too convoluted to thrive in the years beyond its hype and recency bias.
It's like this quote was made specifically for me
Well stated sir.
That's the problem lots of new fans refuse to play the original game. This is not the original game not even close. My CID isn't in this game, Vincent is not playable not good. Multi verse non sense.
one of the best deconstructions of ff7 remake ive seen. something didnt seem right to me and this criticism hit every one of the issues that I percieved. I was open minded and minus the last 10 percent of the game I really did enjoy it but it felt soulless
You know, something else that significantly changes with the Barret and Dyne interaction in the remake: Dyne more or less forgives Barret by the end of their encounter in the original game. When Barret tells him Marlene is still alive and they fight, Dyne recognizes that Marlene doesn't need him anymore given the state that he's in. So with his final words, he tells Barret to never make Marlene cry and passes things on to him, since he's already been serving as Marlene's father in his absence.
In Rebirth, he just dies hating Barret. He never changes from placing the blame at Barret's feet, which just leaves him feeling all the flatter. In the end, he's not concerned about his daughter living her best life; he's thinking about how he can just flip Barret off one last time before he goes. And then all that is followed up with a wacky fight with Palmer, of all people!
I went back and watch the scene. I thought the Rebirth did the same thing. Actually in the OG, Nomura also expanded it in the novels that the OG Dyne went about the same way as Rebirth. He thought of nothing but to end it all because he was so intoxicated, it was impossible for him to be redeemed. but I would say that giving him the suicide was more poetic than getting shot down by Shinra.
@@KanemiX3Nobody gives a shit what Nomura retcons in a non canon book.
The original is canon.
@@kjh4496tf you on about? Who are you to talk about what the creator...CREATED. mthfker. We, fans CARE. You need to stfu and stop aligning things to your narrative. Ive followed FF for 28 years. Sot down boy.
@@kjh4496the books are canon whether you like it or not
Sephiroth = Team Rocket 😂
0:36 - Summarizes my main criticism of these games and the typical arguments of their fans. Why do a remake if you want to make a new story? Or conversely, if you want to make a new story, then why not make a new game rather than bastardizing an existing one? Those of us not ridiculously naive know why, of course.
This game is not Final Fantasy VII.
#NotMyFF7
I knew ever since Remake where this was going the *moment* they started poking with the original's story
Thus, I put the whole thing down. Looking at FFIX's remake with hope that it'll be one-to-one
“Don’t ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next products” - Square Enix
Nailed it. The true mentality of Square. 🤣
IT BROKE NEW GROUND
I absolutely love the game for its gameplay, well "game" elements. Where it falls flat is that it's not FF7 and the story is so unbelievably tough to understand for newcomers, while simultaneously pissing off long time fans
This seems to suffer from the exact same issues as modern Hollywood - no ability to let a story breathe and undercutting any potentially impactful moment with either a lightspeed resolution or a corny gimmick. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I wanted a 1-for-1 remake with modern graphics. That said, at the end of Remake I had hoped maybe they will take this off of the rails and tell a completely different story, servi g as a true sequel in the form of a "what if." It seems like they did neither, and for my tastes that is a shame.
kingdom hearts was a mistake. remake's Sephiroth is Team Rocket xehanort, Zack is roxas/ventus inside sora's heart, Aerith is the kingdom key keyblade and now lives in traverse town canonically.
Rebirth fails at being different or subversive enough to be its own thing and at faithful enough to be a proper homage to the themes and core of what made the original so special. It feels like it's made more for people who've heard about how legendary FF7 is but have never experienced it outside of watching a lets play and reading a couple wiki pages.
More like for people who liked kingdom hearts, but dont want disney characters or the "multiple IPs crossing over" gimmick.
I loved it and I played the OG for the first time in September 97' and finished it at least 10 times before CC and AC even came out. I agree the scene is robbed from us... On purpose imo though. I believe we are gonna relive it in part 3. So for now I'm giving SE the benefit of the doubt. 10/10 just like Remake.
@@harmen9598So you think its flawed, but still call it a 10/10?
@@lpstweetytv5242 Where did I say the game is flawed lol
@harmen9598 you said the scene was robbed, right? Isn't that a flaw? Maybe I misunderstood
Its sad because the original was made by someone who lost someone i love, to be for someone who lost a loved one too and learning to move on
The Cetra and Planetoligists were wrong. You don't return to the planet when you die. You enter a new Timeline.
Try having a chat with the folk that will expand on, indefinitely, why she's totally in a quantum state and it was totally set up in the original so it's good actually 😅
They're **gone**
Interesting take. Basically reincarnation.
This video made me more sad and portrayed loss a hundred times better than Rebirth.
It makes me sad that people take this guy seriously
@@emmaa2141 Cry harder.
@@emmaa2141 It makes me sadder that people are playing this and the Remake thinking they're suitable replacements for the original.
Look, I get the pre-rendered backgrounds, especially in the LCD/LED/OLED/IPS display era of today looks like an eyesore, especially when (and I can't defend or cope with this fact) Squaresoft just completely wiped the source code and assets from their servers to make room for future FF games with no tape drive backups for archival sake at least.
There are several community mods to at least make it work and fit for the 2012 PC re-release, but I was really hoping that these remakes would be viable substitutes for the original games, like the 3D remakes of FF3 and FF4 for the DS/mobile/PC; to carry the same weight, tragedy, and emotions of the original, but sadly it is not the case.
I'd rather listen to this guy, because he clearly puts more thought, effort, and weight towards understanding what made the original work, and why these remakes are an inferior product to the original game. Less is sometimes more, I would say.
@@emmaa2141 Being wrong makes you sad indeed.
@@emmaa2141so edgy. Go cry to your mama, kid. This is for the grown ups.
At this point Sephiroth is little more than the figurative jingling of keys for the audience. What a way to waste such a great villain. Gotta love how Square just hacked FF7 into 3 mediocre pieces and are charging you premium price for each, not counting DLC.
It's been said that Sephiroth was inspired by Jaws. More often than not all you get is the aftermath of his powers, and that's why he felt so terrifying. It's only fitting that the Sephiroth in remake and rebirth is like the shark from those awful Jaws sequels, constantly on screen, unintimidating and outright silly.
Sephiroth is now Sharknado 🦈
I'm sick of that seph, man. And all it took was two remakes lol. I've seen him too much to feel anxious, curious or threatened by him.
@@watchmehope6560 You were never going to fear him because everyone already knows how much of a badass Sephiroth is. It's the same with you people pretending you were going to be sad about Aerith's death, when you've already experienced it countless time over 20 years, hell most FF7 fans laugh and meme it. Had her death and funeral happened 1:1, people would've gone "whelp that happened, moving on".
I played the original FFVII for the first time last year before delving into the Remake saga, and even without the baggage of nostalgic attachment, I am perpetually baffled by all the decisions they keep making with the story of this project.
For every plot beat and character moment old and new that they knock out of the park, there are three that are mishandled beyond belief either for the sake of subversion or fundamentally misunderstanding what made it work to begin with.
For all the moments I still managed to enjoy during my playtime of Rebirth, it's incredible how much of that goodwill was washed away as my eyes glazed over playing through Chapter 14. I already deemed this overarching meta/multiverse plot as bad fanfiction after completing Remake, and Rebirth has only further cemented my belief that it is going to take a miracle to stick the landing in the final part.
Years from now when this saga is complete, detached from the hype cycle and speculation, it's going to be very interesting to see how it holds up in the public consciousness. Even from a purely gameplay standpoint, it's gonna be a hard ask to reinstall half a terabyte of content to play a bloated journey with two hard resets along the way versus the cohesive 30-50hr journey of the original.
Some will say you’re blinded by the year worth of nostalgia you had 😂
@za87647 cause that's there only go to strawman if you didn't like remake or rebirth your nostalgia blinded, you just wanted a 1:1 remake and another bs strawman they pull
As someone who loves retro games, has only ever heard about FF7, played the remake and beat it the day before I bought and just beat rebirth, I can honestly say that I can tell when things have been changed. I hate multi verse timeline crap. I avoided all spoilers because i wanted to see the Aerith/Sephiroth death scene in all its glory… in HD! And what do I get? They don’t even show it! They don’t even show the most iconic scene in the entirety of the original game….. because multiverse. I have enjoyed this game, the characters are well realized, but that was a HUGE missed opportunity. And I hate the lack of moral ambiguity in the story for our team.
@@TwinFather0420 so much attachment to a game you haven't even played 💀
@@randomt800kiddo2 okay, since you are clearly simple, I am expressing how they botched an iconic moment with multiverse crap. That moment was iconic for a reason. And some narcissist comes along and thinks he can do it better. I didn’t want it better. I wanted to experience as it was. These games are very modern. And the only thing good about it is how well realized some of the characters are. The gameplay is generic and the open world is filler nonsense. And they kill the story by forcing you to experience the side content. I’ve been gaming long enough to know when my time is being wasted purposefully. Sorry that you prefer inferior quality story telling. Fanboy elsewhere.
i have been checking your channel everyday since i saw the ending of rebirth and the direction of the story and the convolution they introduced, i thank you for sharing your thoughts with us again. your remake and rebirth videos are golden
This was beautiful! Square-Enix hasn't completely lost its ability to show and not tell: they definitely left alot to the imagination in XV, they just always struggle to modulate anx gauge it.
Final Fantasy died with Squaresoft and the departure of Hironobu Sakaguchi. They have tried time and time again and have proven time and time again that they simply do not have the talent nor understanding of what makes a Final Fantasy game. They dont know the first thing about subtlety or restraint. Truly sad since it was my favorite franchise with VII being my favorite entry.
It's pretty clear that they're doing all this to twist and re-shape the original FFVII so it fits in more with Crisis Core and Advent Children. I have a strong feeling that after the credits roll on part 3 will see a quick cut scene of AC! Cloud next to his motorbike and putting on his driving goggles and then driving away, instead of Nanaki/Red XIII and his children looking at the ruins of Midgar centuries later.
This remake, in short terms is a big "fuck you", from SE to those who hated the sequels/prequels because they felt like retcons too much from the OG. They even re-released AC in cinema's for a short bit before Rebirth's release.
The end goal is to sell as much merchandise before moving on. That's always been Square Enix CEOs goal, whether that be ones when FFXIII was made or even now.
I don't think so, they already said that Cloud will receive a "happy ending" and that the original ending was going to happen if they failed on Remake, it will probably go like:
Aerith and Zack sacrifice themselves in all the 7 universes (that is the official number of universes revealed on Ultimania) to also end Sephiroth and JENOVA once and for all, Cloud manages to properly say goodbye to Aerith and Zack, this time the world will be a more positive note than at Advent Children. Alternatively, they can always make a happy ending where Aerith lives and Cloud has his happy ending.
The most damning indictment of this continuation of the remake project, is that I already see very little conversation about it. FFVII is still talked about to this day, but this was merely flavour of the month. It focused too heavily on being shiny, forgetting the fact that something shinier always comes along.
It's for the civil war shippers and 8 hour multiverse schizo videos now. The only discourse outside that I've seen is ranking what's the shittiest minigame.
@@Renyth That all sounds pretty damn impure to me, guess that makes me a purist eh? 😉
We're in hell and it's toasty
@@RenythThe entire discussion around Rebirth is wheter the ending sucked or not and honestly i lowkey suspect that their intention was exactly that: Making another controversial ending to generate fandom arguments over them and keep the game alive untill the next part.
The biggest bane of FF7R is having to make each part a standalone game and because of that having to make people interested in buying a three parts Remake of a PSX game and thinking about that it would've been way better if Rebirth/Part 3 was the rest of the game and they had cut a lot of the unecessary filler and padding that they added (with that i think that even with Whispers stuff and etc. Aerith's death would've been way better without having to justify being the end of the game for the example).
FF7R being just Part 1 in Midgar and the rest of the game on Rebirth would've lead to something better(maybe) even if it took way longer for the final product.
@@Zerorenren4761 I think it's more simple than that; I don't think they know what they're doing, because they don't know what they're trying to say with all the timey-wimey multiverse stuff. In as much as they're saying anything, its 'Aint we clever boys?!' (No)
The dementors/fate stuff has never been about saying anything in story-terms, rather, it's been a means to provide fanservice (The inclusion of Zack etc), Rule of Cool visuals, and obfuscate the fact that they really have no idea what they want to say with this new non-story.
The problem they have of course is that committing to something decisively is almost always mutually exclusive to fanservice - which I think explains why the ending to Rebirth is apparently such a mess.
In consequence, I think the ending to part 3 could be literally just about anything you can imagine. I wouldn't rule out 'it was all a dream', or just looping back to Aertith at the start of the opening intro. I also wouldn't rule out just another soup of ambiguity and non-committment.
Prob the best review of FF7 remake I've come across. A good breakdown of the bigger scenes of the game and yet you found a way to get something out of a product that you knew would let you down.
It felt like the entire narrative of the OG was put there, but an underlying plot point is: "We know you know the OG plot point, so we undermine it with the multiverse and Sephiroth/aerith subliminal plot". So it loses all gravitas.
The original FF7 is in my top 5 examples of best storytelling. To see Enix devalue and discard so much of what made the game a worldwide success (the character arc, emotional beats, worldbuilding) is heart breaking.
This is where I draw the line in terms of seeing how the remakes will play out. A multiverse story was not what I wanted and I won't be buying part 3.
I belive that the writers chosen the following scenario, regarding Aerith's "death". They wanted the emotional payout from Aerith's death. But they didn't actually wanted her to begone from the story, so they decided to cheat.
My book is this: If you want your audiance to be emotional, then recreate the OG scene. Have Sephiroth kill Aerith and recreate the exact moment with the Lifestream. But if you want to commit to the changes, then don't kill Aerith off. After Cloud blocked Sephiroth's attack, have the others show up just in time and saving her is a guranteed.
Sadly, the writers chose to do both of the outcomes. And it comes out as utterly confusing, emotionally manipulative and nostalgia bait.
In any case, good video there, Orion. 👍🏻
It's rare I totally agree with a UA-camr; but you got it 100% right and expressed it very well.
Alot writers can't write multiverse stories. Multiverse handled poorly equals a meaningless story. Michael Moorcock wrote multiverse well where it's an ever increasingly complex tapestry.
Also whilst I'm at it - Zack is a terrible character, the only reason people like him is because it's Zack in cloud's recollection instead of Cloud - it made Zack fans falsely feel Zack had depth, it's also a virtue signal to say you've beat the game.
“Amplification, turn up the dial, blow out the speakers…. Subtlety is a banned word in Square Enix’s offices….Square Enix don’t know how to let an intimate moment just be”
…. Couldn’t have said it better myself, in fact I actually have been something similar since Remake. I’m perplexed at how you were able to put this video together in such a short amount of time since it’s release, I only just managed to complete it 😅
Again, you give a voice to many, a masterful video, particularly the end sequence and match up of music. Thank you!
Thanks for the comment, Oliver! It's great to have your support. I think I used up whatever energy I had left on this video :D
i knew after the first part this thing was dead in the water, just got ran out the "fan base" i said this part would sell half and the next part half that as they continue to make a worse version, i was right about this part, will see about the next one, seems public opinion has shifted more in line with my views
wish i could go back n find them comments calling me a purist n stuff and be like told ya...... but honestly i'm just sad we never gonna get what was advertised a remake of ff7 one of the best stories in gaming..... why change it
its like remaking nier automata and changing the story! its like "remaking" the mona lisa but with groucho marx glasses n eyebrows and being like look it's good because you didn't expect that!!!!
What is death? Does it have any meaning if a person can be replaced by themselves from a different reality or brought back to life? The beauty of humans is our short lifespan and what we do within that time to give it meaning, whether that be a mother working hard to make sure their loved ones have an easier life or a person who dedicates their whole life to researching on how to cure a disease.
We mourn those who have passed away because what they offered to this world was unique and nobody else can give us the same experience and moments that we had with them.
Also, I can't stress enough how much I absolutely despise multiverse/time travelling stuff. It can be done well but it's extremely hard to make it satisfying and work and 1 out of a 100000 times it just sucks and riddles the plot with holes and makes characters look more and more idiotic or their efforts less impactful.
I really want to highlight how much more important what happens in the story feels if characters are just those ones, if there's no other versions of them, if there's no "time ghosts" to try and keep continuity intact by saving some characters and letting others die differently for some stupid reasons, if there's one world to save so if you fuck up, you really did fuck up.
I think the best one I've seen handle multiverse recently is FF14. It's one world, broken into 13 reflections with 1 being the original world from which the reflections originated. Reflections can undergo world ending events which cause...well, the world in the reflection to end BUT this reflects back into the original world as cataclysmic events that can reshape continents and amass countless casualties (not world ending, though). These cataclysms happen since, as a reflection's world ceases to be, the reflection's reality crashes into the original world, called "the source".
This is the best by far since, in the reflections there are no clones of our characters, each is unique and has its own characters, worlds, cultures and kingdoms. If Shin-Ra is in reflection #3, there is no Shin-Ra in reflection #7. Still, it's important to keep all of them safe since our character is from the source and any world ending scenario can quickly spiral into a massive pestilence, a huge tsunami engulfing most of the continent or a huge dragon wreaking havoc across the entire realm. It works since the reflections are not bullshit copies of the original. Anybody that dies in a reflection is unique and gone for good as is everybody in the source and a reflection getting destroyed is not as bad but still extremely bad for the source that will be severely impacted by it.
So far, it's the best "multiverse" system I've seen implemented in a game and I hope the devs and writers don't mess it up.
By the time I reached Chapter 13 with the insanely boring Ancient Temple, I realized I had more interest in the Queen's Blood side story and building my deck than I did the main campaign.
Something went very wrong in the process to bring this game back to life after 25 years.
But then again, 15 & 16 titles were just as bad with the main story😕
As much as I enjoyed Rebirth, I hope Square Enix will find, translate and more importantly understand this video
THANK YOU!!!
My friends just dont understand why i REFUSE to play Remake. I keep telling them that if i want to play FF7, I'll play the original. I knew in my gut that I personally had no reason to play this FF7/KH game.
I hate how Rebirth makes Sephiroth into a fucking idiot by the end.
They tried so hard to appease everyone and destroying it's own new direction/themes.
This is the best review I've seen. Took the essay right out my mouth.
I think the third act is the worse part about this game, the lack of impact from Aeriths death, the many boss fights that take place and then all the multiverse shenanigans just makes it all come off convoluted. There’s still also many moments of paddling too which just becomes a complete bore to get through.
There was never going to be an impact. I wish FF7 would stop pretending otherwise, when most of them meme her death to death. Oh, now we care about Aerith's death enough to not laugh at her like we've been doing before the Remake project. Fake ass Aerith fans. Real Aerith fans want her to survive the Remakes.
the most egregious part for me was when Cloud suddenly remembered who Zack was. that’s the biggest twist in the game and they just casually revealed it with all the subtlety and fanfare of a wet shart
Just like the OG game. Everything was explained poorly and the only way to actually know what happened in the game was to play all the different games and also read about it. It's far more cohesive in these games.
@@Amocoru is this bait? you don't need crisis core to understand what happened in the OG lmao
@@AmocoruEverything was laid out pretty simply in the og. The timing is what is different between the two. Rebirth undercuts the story by revealing certain things too soon
@@Amocoru What nonsense, the og game was perfectly clear about who Zack was. It tells you his role in Clouds backstory, his relation to Aerith and Sephiroth, and you can even meet his parents in Gongaga. You didn't need to play any other games whatsoever, it was all self contained and well delivered provided you had the brain cells to comprehend it.
@@AmocoruYou obviously never played the original.
This Game could have been THE game we have all been waiting for. It could have showed us more of what was shown in the original game.. But Nomura and his team made a big mockery of the story of this beautiful game.
No buildup, no genuine drama, no sense.
I feel sorry for the graphics team, music and audio team, voice actors, as these were the only good stuff that happened here on this game.
The only credit I will give to Nomura is the Battle system.
I've yet to find a game that has better music pieces than ff7, Ocarina of Time is the only game that comes close for me , it's crazy how much more talent the Square team had under Sakaguchi
Chrono Trigger...
Nier automata… that wasnt hard
Bloodborne
@@_BlackenedSun no and no
@@livetorek4723nah he's right you're just coping
The crazy tonal whiplash is just unbelievable. This is current-day MCU crap--if something bad happens, IMMEDIATELY jump to a joke or a cool action scene. You can have slow moments to screw around, for hours, but you can't have a minute to process a tragedy or a revelation. Characters want to play card games and ride chocobos but not stop and have a discussion about the fate of the world. This results in me hating these remake games more than they probably deserve, because it's giving me "feelies" vibes; stuff just happens, in an emotional roller coaster but never TOO bad and never bad for very long, gotta get another dopamine hit every 20 seconds.
And yeah, I keep saying this, but taking a game about death, about accepting it's finality, about moving past it, as envisioned by the original producer who had just lost his mother and needed a way to cope with his grief...and turning into this happy-go-lucky, consequences-don't-exist, saccharine sweet j-pop extravaganza, just feels insulting, especially coming from several people who worked with that same man to produce the original product that so poignantly explored the topic. Like, did they mail Sakaguchi a copy along with a picture of his mother and a drawing of a huge middle finger?
😂 very good the picture joke
… so are we gonna just conveniently ignore how that’s all in the OG game as well ooooor? Aerith dies and what’s right after that? The party goes snowboarding. Like that’s a flaw with FF7 as a whole not specifically the remake project
@@justingabriel1765 sure, if you played OG you know the mood is different in rebirth… just compare the nibleheim flashback. Is very very different
@@justingabriel1765 I'm pretty sure you are just deliberately missing the point...They actually _NEED_ to quickly get down to the Great Glacier to follow Sephiroth. It might seem a little on the silly side but there was an _actual_ reason why it's there. Plus, I think the OG does way better than Remake/Rebirth at balancing the overall mood; having dark, tragic, intense moments but also some comic relief so that the audience isn't always on edge.
@@justingabriel1765they go snowboarding to get down the mountain faster, as they’re being pursued by Shinra.
Waited over half a lifetime to play the original again but done better, and it never came true
yeah same fml
Because they split them up into 3 parts and made them stealth sequels to the originel game.
Dw, in a different timeline, square enix did it right
At least now you can appreciate the original even more
Same. Haven't even played Rebirth after Remake
IMO their greatest error was trying to include things from the expanded universe. Over the years Square have tried to milk the FF7 I.P. with all these spinoff titles that were just total garbage, like Crisis Core and the terrible movie etc etc. All these added content items had terrible stories and characters and Square made a huge mistake trying to pay homage to them in Remake and Rebirth as they just bring down the storytelling of the OG FF7 so drastically.
I also strongly felt that the environments were terrible and generic. I remember going over the mountains after Costa Del Sol in the OG was just beautiful, cresting the mountain peak and heading off into that amazing sunset was perfection. You don't get that in Rebirth. The Nibel mountains in the original were these iconic green glowing spires jutting up like ragged teeth, in rebirth they were jut generic mountains. Every environment had no personality.
@@torchlight3173 Pure laziness tbh
Nah
"include things from the expanded universe" you know what other game suffered from this? Kingdom Hearts 3. Where it needed the fucking MOBILE GAME in its story for whatever nonsensical reason.
@@UnifiedEntity The reason is corporate greed, Square have been trying to start this whole interconnected universe with their IPs for decades each game gets a manga series, a anime, a movie tie-in and various spin-off games on mobile platforms to really ring every penny out of the fandom.
The company post sakaguichi, led by yoichi wada is a factional nightmare. You have team vagrant story led by yoshi p and the old guard that stuck around once their nasty boss got given the boot. Sakaguichi was grooming a traitor in kitase he just didn’t know it. It got so bad in fact he gave them 8 to do whatever they wanted and it was so wildly different (in some ways my favourite) it split the conceptual understanding of what final fantasy is down the middle. Now it’s in a total identity crisis but one thing is for sure.
Creative 1 thinks that Nomura is a good writer. That he is more than a great character designer. To me Nomura is a guy that has used hair putty for too long
Congratulations on this remarkable achievement, Orion!
I've been looking forward to this video the most this year, and you delivered!
You nailed the criticism on everything from world to story and characters. Your editing and presentation was great.
Your musical choice at the end was fantastic, I really loved how it all concluded.
Really proud to see this coming together! Hoping this one blows up and garners a ton of positive viewers and sees a lot of disenfranchised OG fans find a voice through your work!
On a side note, that burn on Rebirth Aerith 28:40 was 10/10 hahaha
What is pretty clear is that everytime they need to be subtle, slow or just deal with emotional moments they mess up because they just want fun and action with no "boring" moment, it's like when MCU characters joke around in a serious battle, so... Bad
I kind of like Remake/Rebirth but honestly, the more i think about how they dealt with these things, the more i get bothered with it, this also emphasizes a lot how Square Enix's writting dumbed down with years and how these guys are barely able to tell anything significant nowadays (most of the story credits of FF7R go more to what was faithful to their work in the past than the things that are new and this tells a lot about it).
Because the game is designed for the tik tok/twitch streamer era. People have short attention spans and the spectacle is favoured over depth and subtlety as that creates better clips. It’s all very shallow.
@@ItsSVOThat's true, there is also the factor that in many interviews the writters seem to think that the whole reason FF7 was iconic was because of the story's twists but they literally think that EVERYONE knows these twists (which is wrong by itself, FF7 is not even close to be know by everyone and a lot of people playing the Remake are newcomers) and since for them the important is making people be "shocked" with twists in the original story, a lot of these decisions are centered around that(The whole trillogy is a set-up for the new version of the Lifestream scene since they think that the "Cloud had an impostor syndrome with Zack" is universally know fact and they wanted something new to surprise everyone) and just subverting expectations which a lot of times it's an excuse to dumb down scenes or add more fanservice/action and nothing more(because of that they spoil the OG Story twists because again they think that everyone only care about twists and that everyone already knows the OG story), what baffles me the most are veteran people like Nomura having this mentality when by his lifetime and experience he should already know that these things worked because of HOW they were done and the emotions they expressed in scenes like Nanaki crying or Aerith's death, not because people were shocked by it, i rarely cry with media but FF7 is one of the few games that made me cry for the same scenes multiple times for example.
Honestly, i can't even blame Square entirely, just look at how most of the fandom and the big people on media are reacting to Remake, and how the "purists" are treated for just not liking the unecessary changes they did to it, i also think that UA-camrs in general are extremely happy for having all the theory content who gives them money and attention which is... Fair, in the end, Square IS winning and i give them the credits for it.
Also i'd just like to point out again that i like FF7R but i can't really put it in the same pedestal as the original or see it as good "Remake" of the original story, i can see it as a "decent fun JRPG story" who happens to also be FF7 with an amazing combat system and soundtrack and nice characters, and i've also defended a lot The Compilations since they never really bothered me that much and i thought that Remake could tie them better to the main story however they did it in the worst way possible + taking off all/or most of the subtlety and emotional side of the original and replacing it with cool scenes for the people who will most likely to only discuss the shipping/funny scenes and epic battle scenes online than the actual story.
@@Zerorenren4761 100% agreed. As someone who liked the original but didn't love it (it's not even among my favorite games of all time, or even my favorite JRPGs of all time), I absolutely loathed the insultingly in-your-face fanservice the remake series shoves down your throat. It's like the writers don't understand that we don't like these characters just because they show up and do things. We like them because the original FFVII had good character stories and arcs that were presented with effective storytelling techniques. Sephiroth was great precisely because of how sparse and impactful each of his individual appearances were. But in the remakes he appears so much they might as well make a Sephiroth Everywhere System and have him pop out of random trash cans and manholes to attack Cloud's party like it's Yakuza Kiwami. I'm sorry, but I don't like Sephiroth enough to just lose all my sense of reason and critical thinking whenever he shows up for a contrived reason, unlike so many of the FFVII fanboy sheeple who consoom Square Enix slop and lose their shit every time they see him.
I feel like Square Enix just looks at how beloved the characters of this game are (particularly Cloud and Sephiroth) and just beats the fans over the head with them to prevent them from thinking about how pointless every piece of FFVII media after the original was. Yes, they were ALL pointless, they're such colossal wastes of time that I honestly cope by just pretending the original is the only canon game lmao.
And it's not like I'm against fanservice and character appearances, but they have to be done in moderation and with appropriate justification or they lose their luster. Later entries in Nihon Falcom's Trails series have a few cameos of beloved characters from previous games in the series, but those cameos are important to the story, make logical sense, and rarely ever feel contrived. If there are characters who shouldn't appear in a game because it would make no sense or lessen the impact of the story, they don't. This makes it all the more exciting when the characters you love reappear in future games. But for some reason, despite the FFVII Remake trilogy similarly being a multi part series with a connected story, Square Enix are simply too impatient to wait until the right moments for Sephiroth to appear. They have no sense of restraint.
Nihon Falcom can wait literal DECADES to reveal important characters or have old characters make cameos. There are characters from games in the series released in the 2000s who have only just reappeared in games made in the 2020s because it wouldn't have made sense for them to reappear in games before. They waited 14 whole years to even show a glimpse of the elusive and mysterious leader of the main antagonist faction of the series. And yet Square Enix can't even wait a couple hours before showing Sephiroth again? Pathetic.
I hate all the change they did with a lot of cutscenes. They added kh cringe into great moments(aerith death, Dyne)
The best thing this game has done for me is make me finally decide to replay the original.
Hope you have/had fun with it! 👍
The real question now is how badly are they gonna F*ck up the final installment? There's no way they can turn this series into anything meaningful at this point.
Everything will be explained in the final part, just wait and see. It will be amazing
@@emmaa2141Trust me bro haha
21 minutes in, and you already addressed the issues I was REALLY having a problem with in this game. As you stated, the original was about 'life', and learning to cope and move on after losing a loved one, family or even a friend. Square dropped the ball hard on this remake. Excellent video. Thank you!
I fear we have to understand that Squaresoft doesn't exist anymore, it's Enix now and they just don't have it in them to tell a good story. I try not to care anymore, I'm just fed up with bad story telling.
It's not Enix either, they were the original developers of dragon quest and tactics ogre...it's certainly something, it exists, but it's deformed and shapeless, nobody can tell what it is anymore.
FF14 had a great story. Though the tone came out happy. But it was like ff9 a an ff tribute. Main story was great.
It's just that afther some years the guys who work on Square grew obssessed with overcomplicated multiverse/time travel plots and trying to milk games through multiple types of media instead of telling everything on a single game so they can farm more money.
An example of that is that the novel "On a Way to a Smile" tells the whole reason why Cloud is depressed on AC and everything that happens before the movie... Instead of telling that in the movie and FF XV is the most egregrious example of them doing that.
@@Zerorenren4761 you're right except that was the inbetween period. That novel isn't considered cannon yet last two chapters is what influenced remakes whispers.
Sakaguchi was Final Fantasy. They never made a good one without him.
Wow that intro is incredible! Exactly how I felt. Been waiting for your opinion and it has not disappointed so far!
This series is more kingdom hearts then kingdom hearts is.
I find two things amazing about people defending the game.
One is the headcanon. I can see in my recommended feed right now multiple videos like "What happened in the ending" or "The TRUE ending" or whatever. Some people think this is deep. No, it's bad writing. It's called layering; a story should have a clearly understood surface layer of "stuff happening" and then the depth should be in the characters and themes. But folks are making hour-long videos to argue about what even actually happened, and so they fill gaps with headcanon or assumptions. And then they go even further and ridicule anyone criticizing the game as idiots who just didn't understand it...although even the other fans of the game have totally different views too. If no one can agree on what freaking happened, that's a mess.
And second is the constant refrain of "It's a new story, it's not the same, why don't you understand that?!" Well, then why is it so dang similar? Why constantly recreate things from the OG, if it's not supposed to be just a different take on the same basic story? And they go back and forth; they praise the "improvements" to the original story, while defending every change by saying, well, it's an entirely new story. I've even seen them get mad at calling the remake trilogy, remakes; they say "It's YOUR fault for expecting a remake, it's not a remake" when that was the name of the last game! But even then, they'll circle back around and defend how great of a remake this totally not a remake is, instead of just acknowledging the simple truth that it's a BAD remake. Again, contradicting themselves, contradicting each other, there's a whole mess of people who get tingly in their nether regions when they play it and so come up with countless explanations for why everyone who doesn't is dumb, instead of admitting that this game is basically FF7 porn--it's got the action and it's pretty to look at it, but nothing more.
I dunno, it just always amazes me when I see people defending something so emphatically, insulting critics, and yet they can't agree with each other any more than they agree with the critics, and somehow don't see that. They don't see that critics are mostly on the same page, giving the same points, proving the same arguments, while their defenses are all over the map and undermine each other, and fail to realize that that's a pretty good indication that their view is probably, objectively wrong.
Exactly this. Well said 👏
Well said there. Some of them are just too blinded by loyalty or just by nostalgia, because this is FF7, one of the biggest gaming franchises. And I hate how Square literally milking out the crap out of this franchise.
There was also a podcast in which Maximillian Dood taken part and I skipped that. Because I have no interest to see them drolling over a badly written mess. Sure. Rebirth has good graphics and characterization, but in story, it's an absolute mess.
@@KritoSkywakerthe story of og 7 was carried by its characters so if you think the characterization in remakes are good then?
@@kei7540
Yes. This game could have been better. Way better. But they butchered some of the more meaningful scenes and added some nonsense there.
@@KritoSkywaker not really?
That is one serious problem I have with Rebirth. The number of times Cloud almost kills his teammates and all we get is “what is wrong with you, man?” Uhm, what? At this point he has tried to kill Barret, Aerith, and has accused Tifa of being fake several times and tried to kill her………… why are they with him?
And yet nobody addressed him for almost killing Tifa. Like, WTH man? These new "changes" has messed up the story's core meanings... 😞
Cloud feels like the male version of a marry sue now honnestly, I can do as much shit as he wants ppl will always be there to compliment or support him without calling him out more than a "wtf is that" moment. I felt like they would take his feelings or actions way more seriously back in remake, in rebirth they really tried this "supportiv friends" narrative but it feels wrong knowing all the stuff your friend did
Yeah THAT is off putting. The downplaying of Clouds VERY VERY out of mind questionable behavior is glossed over a lot and it doesn't make sense.
Thank you
All I keep hearing is how much "content" this game has! It's like people forget how Final Fantasy had phenomenal stories that really moved people, but people's tastes have become so used to garbage that they think this is an equally valid way to tell this story. There is a fundamental misunderstanding by developers and fans about good writing. People need to play the Yakuza series and actually turn their brain on during the cutscenes. Wake up to human emotion rather than anime tropes.
Lol ff is better than Yakuza.
@@buttertoast1146 that is absolutely unhinged insane.
@@TheRetroPerspective so is saying yakuza doesn't follow anime tropes
@@buttertoast1146 what anime tropes does Yakuza follow?
@TheRetroPerspective yakuza 7- the power of friendship. the big bad "dies" but 5 mins later it shows they're alive. so yeah quite a few
I agree with you on just about everything but you leave young Aerith out of this good sir. That was the only part of the game that broke me.
oh finally, someone with a brain
Real fans DO have them lol
Ikr
Might as well have said "oh finally, my validation!"
Right? The minute I express my opinion on Facebook I get flooded with rather elaborate ways of telling me to shut up. But most of those people want their ship. They don’t understand that OG FFVII was never about ships. It was never so shallow and hollow. I’m heartbroken that SE decided to do this. No one complains about the RE, RE2 and RE 4 remakes. They were faithful adaptations. This is not, and the new material they added is just bad.
@@SeraphimTheApologist I do remember Crowbcat catching hell for his take on RE4 remake, so I don't really agree. Either way, you can have your opinion, and I'll still think it's a good game. To each their own.
I think you nailed it when you talked about how the game is pretty and has great graphics, incredible music but all the things that mattered in the original aren't there. Also, I think the reasons for why many people are praising the game are 3:
1. either they're new players playing these as they are and being fully ok with it being a sequel because either they never played the original and don't care or they really do like whatever this new trilogy is doing;
2. they're players who stopped caring and are just playing the game and trying to rate it on its own while doing every effort not to think about the original FF7;
3. players who would probably have a much more negative opinion about it didn't play it as they didn't give Rebirth a chance, a choice which I completely respect, so they aren't talking positively or negatively about it simply because after the switcharoo of Remake they checked out entirely.
I think it's a combination of these 3 reasons. Like, new fans are sure to play this and enjoy it for what it is unless of course the story doesn't resonate but probably they'll still rate it high for the graphics, story, combat and content (which, honestly speaking, the game has and I think it's absolutely worth its price) while fans that hated what Remake has done and can see that with Rebirth and the 3rd title the story will keep diverging more and more, completely went to play other stuff entirely (of course, not all of them but probably a lot of them).
If only Hironobu Sakaguchi worked on FF7R
He would have quit if everyone didn't listen. So he probably would have quit
Since the end of Remake, and now having finished Rebirth yesterday I have been waiting forever for the major plot twist that has been missing which will stitch EVERYTHING together. Instead I have more questions, and its just easy to say "multiverse" so you can see which way the wind blows a year from now and then decide how to end this story.
I am not impressed, less minigames and more story fleshing out would be have been so much better, so many Disc 2 story elements were just axed.. e.g. rocket town????
Sephiroth does not even have the aura of horror anymore, he isn't scary, there's no gravitas, and the bits of the original story which were kept were actually changed.
I am disappointed with this installment, I liked Remake slightly more.. Rebirth plays amazingly, its still a top 5 game in recent offerings for sure with the combat, but the muli-verse theme, the crapload of minigames, changing original story beat narratives that were MORE compelling, and straight up losing sections of the original story is not for me.
By the end I was rooting for Sephiroth, I am actually tired of Aerith!
I remember when I saw Aerith die in the original. It was hell. I know that sounds really over dramatic but it was just….. terrible. I’ve never felt so empty and numb. I couldn’t even cry. I kind of just shut off and disconnected from everything for the rest of the day. I think I even put the game down for a few days. I didn’t want to pick it up again. I felt a little better when I spoke to my mom about it. My brother has pretty much been the lord of final fantasy in our household and has played all the games. It’s a powerful memory game for us.
It’s funny how much can be conveyed without words. When nothing is spoken. I felt reassured when Aerith was so peaceful, smiling at me before she was killed. But at the same time that was a horrible gut wrenching feeling. She’s gone and I can’t do anything to bring her back. I just have to make my peace with it and let go.
Upon seeing the remake scene of her death I just rolled my eyes. I knew they’d blow it.
Seems like the devs had too many ideas how the story should go, so they decided to mash all their ideas together instead of making decisions. That's how they come up with "multiverses".
But that's not how good storytelling is made.
That's how a group of fanboys would have a brainstorming over how the story should be. Non-professionals. Maybe not even fanboys, but just people.
Non-adults in either case.
I highly doubt these games will stand the test of time. The story isn't written to be timeless like the original. Instead Square has chosen to bet everything on twists, mysteries and subverting expectations, stuff that'll keep conversation alive between games, but will mean nothing after part 3 is out and everything is revealed. I wonder how many will think this was a story worth telling at the original's expense, once it's all done and over with.
lmao like the og had no issues at all.
Ppl is just so blinded by nostalgia that can enjoy shit anymore
@@josefarias1119 I dare say it's blind nostalgia that make some people like these atrocious remake games.
Cloud & the gang are back for more wacky adventures. Sephiroth is everywhere too!
@@mikespearwood3914 Rebirth is one of the best videogames ive ever played, but hEY IS ATROCIOUS CUZ UUU UA-camR SAYS SO.
zzz
This isn't FF7s story, it's a Disney ride based on it...the longest ever made, fun for a few minutes...not 8 years.
@josefarias1119 Didn't need a UA-camr to tell us the remakes are trash.
What an amazing video. Let me take a second to commend you on it!
I have watched A LOT of Remake/Rebirth critique videos that lean towards praise for the OG and pointing out the absurdity of the Remake project. Definitely some confirmation bias on my part but that is what I want. I feel like not many FFVII fans agree with me on this point of view and everyone wants to argue with me. I am always looking for fellow fans who commiserate with my distain for the Remake project.
FFVII means so much to me. It shaped so much of my childhood and takes me back to the 90s when life was much better. I am very upset about what they have done with this "Remake."
I was one of the few fans who was not at all excited at the announcement of the Remake back in 2015. I instead had a very sinking feeling. I knew they would mess this up. I was never excited about it. Some things need to be left as they are.
This video has definitely landed in my top 5 best Remake criticism videos. Many great points were made.
You are the first who has presented such an insightful perspective of the future of this whole project. These games will fade away, but OG Final Fantasy VII will never fade away. It will out live the honeymoon phase of these games and beyond. Knowing that these games will fade into obscurity in the near future is very encouraging and new perspective for me.
Also, in their poor attempt to remake the OG game it has caused many of us to love, cherish, and respect it all the more.
Thank you for this. I have been bothered by this whole whole thing since the release of Remake.
However, knowing that some people out there are just as upset as me and feel the same way I do, has helped me a lot. And hearing such intelligent and conscientious talking points and perspectives such as these has also helped.
Thanks again for this.
PS. The outro with the Carpenters was the perfect ending touch for a video like this. Cheers!
While I enjoy it, this stretch of FF7 was rather unfocused (a series of episodic adventures) so it was always gonna be hard to adapt. They made the job harder for themselves
This video said everything I thought, felt, and wanted to say. I love the original, and I wished Square Enix followed through with their new adventure they promised or kept faithful to the original.
I was disappointed with the return to Nibelheim. Tifa immediately reveals that Shinra rebuilt it. In the original it had an air of mystery and made you wonder why the town is not a big pile of dust.
I feel like it's obvious in the og
@@kei7540It’s not.
its almost like the original story is 20 years old and almost all the people playing Rebirth already knows whats going on.
@@za87647 how? Who else is gonna rebuild it definitely not survivors of the fire
good thing it's not the original
rebirth is enjoyable, but multiverse kills story. squarenix is not squaresoft
Bro you're cooking. Spot on criticism.
Thank you!!
And this is the same company that is currently remaking FF9.
I guess i have to look forward to timeghosts there to, not to mention Kuja and his million clones plus timelines.
All the charm gone, The lovable characters gone and replaced by marketable copies of themselves that already know the future.
modern games really make gamers seem dumb . its sad what they have done to ff7. i never had much faith in square enix. something happened when squaresoft merged with enix
"Let's do a sequel that doesn't respect the themes or plot of the original, and add multiverses! ...But enough about Chrono Cross..."
But in all seriousness, in 10 years, when the trilogy is done and out on PC, there will be a fan projectFF7-DeMake to simply strip out and rework the games into the original or something approaching it.
At least Chrono Cross was its own thing, and Masato Kato had the guts to tell people "if you think this is chrono trigger 2 you'll be disappointed", that alone gives me respect for the guy.
Chrono Cross is cool and i think that considering the nature of Chrono Trigger you can consider it an alternate thing or ignore it from the canon if you don't like it, CC is also its own game.
@@Zerorenren4761 Yeah as a standalone game it's pretty good, as a sequel to Trigger not so much.
@@Zerorenren4761 I played Cross first, but despite absolutely adoring Trigger it never soured me retroactively on it for that reason. Even within CC itself, you can find an audio log from the SNES Radical Dreamers at Chronopolis with the explanation of limitless concurrent universes out there that they've been monitoring. The story still holds weight as its own thing despite that because what you're doing matters for Serge and the world as he knows it: his just happens to be one where things post-Trigger went tragically bad and he has to make things right.
There's also the fact that Chrono Trigger actually features time travel and changing timelines as a major part of the plot, so Chrono Cross isn't as much of a stretch.
I kinda feel like rebirth was trying way to hard to please both OG fans and remake to a point where it Fails to be its own thing not to mention zack only Exist just for the Purpose of Creating the multi verse and to shut up the crazy zack and aerith shippers
By trying to shut the Zack x aerith people. They made the aerith x cloud weirdos way more toxic. I didn't know this fandom took its shipping so seeious 😅
@@watchmehope6560 Nice try Tifa stan. You guys are just as toxic as you claim the other ships are. Don't think we forgot about you guys threatening devs on twitter after, The Game Show Awards trailer.
@@zerofudou5689 Whatever happened to making the story the priority
Very beautifully said, as always.
What more can I say?
This perfectly captures how I feel.
Agreed with it all, man. Incredible work putting this together. It's a burn in the chest that you describe in this very video. I hate the phrase that "This isny MY (product here)" but...this encapsulates that so well. Overbloated copratized mess looking to cash in on modern trends with a splash of gamings most veloved characters...I hate it.
I’ve been waiting patiently for this video. I feel like square made this game mainly for themselves. It’s beautiful and fun but pleases only the writers it feels like. Cuz they know the full picture. Just feel like lazy edging for us. Idc how mysterious you can make the story, just make it good.
I think you're dragging the presentation of Sephiroth too much. You're forgetting that in part 3 we'll discover that Sephiroth is actually a clone of Xehanort from Kingdom Hearts.
😂🤢🤮
I just hate how they refuse to kill characters. Ruining the aerith death scene sealed the deal for me.
But she is dead
Zoomers cant handle death buddy “its such vibe kill”
Plenty of characters die in both games, Aerith included. Wtf are you talking about?
@@0909Alz for real they just tryna hate
Imagine making a remake of FFVII where you wish Sephiroth would just buzz off and stop popping up all over the place.
Cloud: *farts*
"Estuans interius, Ira vehementi, SEPHIROTH!, SEPHIROTH!"
I quit after chapter ten. No more towers, no more simulation battles. No more multiverse for me.
You didn't even get to the best part: the box throwing side quest
@@cardboardtubeknight yikes
Congrats
While I still loved rebirth and don’t agree with EVERYTHING here, I agree with A LOT. Especially the bit where if we go against the ending or the problems with the game we need conditioning and we have to be told we’re old heads who “don’t want change”. Like on Reddit I said a lot of the beats sucked and the ending was nonsensical and ruined aerith and that I wish they would’ve just remade the original with great graphics because now it’s out of control and you shouldn’t destroy what was already amazing. I was met with much guile and was told that I’m holding on to a game that “wasn’t that good” anyways. Like wth? I’m not allowed to critique or dislike stuff?
Rebirth fans have been annoying so far. Ppl would criticize the game and their respond is "you shouldn't have bought the game in the first place" like? What kind of argument is that?
FF7R Fans act extremely braindead online, most of them are just on the mentality of "different=better" and "we need to wait untill the end to judge" or even worse they blindly trust the same writers who in the last years managed to not make a single game that surpassed FFX on PS2 or equally great(There is 14 but Yoshi-P gets more credit for it anyway).
@@Zerorenren4761 literally! I was told this quote: “LMAOOOO so glad you aren’t designing games because this one is easy GOTY contender, keep crying buddy” to my post saying that the multiverse is nonsensical and ruins aerith and her death
@@Zerorenren4761I'm growing tired of the "We need to wait until part 3" arguments. Because why not end the story on a good note instead of relying on a future project to do so? The ending was easily my least favorite part, except for some mini games of course, about this game. I was all in for the changes and added characters from novels and side games, but the ending just made it feel confusing the sake of it.
I love Rebirth to death, but the ending just sours my experience. I don't like Aerith's fate being left for us to determine because we're not the writers, we're fans trying to see how they deal with it.
Reddit is usually a bit of a disaster zone whatever the topic, and particularly with gaming it seems to attract the corporate bootlickers.
The good news is that all the I IZ HYPE!!!!! people will be gone five minutes after part 3 drops. Actually I think their numbers already seem to be thinning out, if this comment section and UA-cam is anything to go by.
My husband is the fan here, I've only watched, but he says
"NO YOU KNEW WE WANTED THE GAME BUT WITH BETTER GRAPHICS. Expanding is fine, WRECKING IS NOT. You bait and switched us because of your ego. Boo. Glad I have only watched. Not sure I'm really interested in playing, and FFVII is one of the only games in my life I've beaten repeatedly."
(And then he said: Subscribe to that guy, lol, and I did.)
Your husband sounds cool! Thank you for subscribing!
@@orion8550you take so much pride in a "wokE MOB" youtuber highlighting you, take a step down.
@JeremyMorrison-hh3pi lmao keep crying, I hope you were let down in every way.
I think the whole project comes off petty. Sakaguichi was a notoriously tough boss. I think this project has the cynicism of hating your ex boss dripping from every new decision they make. The other thing that is wild is the narrative bankruptcy they have. Rather than write anything new or compelling they just steal assets that were At a later point of the game and bring them forward. I knew the moment sephiroth hacked a computer to place himself in a shinra 3d corporate presentation that we were in trouble ( it was perfect, then we see meteor for no reason, and sephiroth for no reason). People would’ve had questions about that for sure and clearly no one has the authority to stop whoever is responsible for the cgi cutscenes from driving this story off a cliff.
Someone thought it would be a good idea for tifa to get eaten by weapon, and watch ghosts have a race war that plays out in the Lifestream that gives you mako poisoning but tifa was swimming in the stuff .
Excellent vid!!
This game turned out almost exactly as predicted.
- Gameplay is good (albeit not something I enjoy, and have 0 interest in).
- Music is great.
- Graphics really good.
- Characters will, for the most part, be recognizable. Not a botched/fanmade version.
- Content will be added/changed, minigames, new story beats, new story content, etc.
- Sidequests will, for the most part, be bad.
- Sephiroth will be everywhere.
- There will be a new Zack story.
- Style over substance (Dyne being an obvious example).
- Story will be further botched with the ridiculous convoluted mess introduced in FF7:Remake. They are adding story dimension such as: Defying Fate, Revival, Multiple Dimensions, Time Travel(? maybe ?), Alternate Timelines, etc. On top of what OGFF7 already had, such as: Science Fiction, Magic, Fantasy, Aliens. Bringing the convolution level to over 9000!
- But at the same time try to keep to the original, even though that, for some reason, wasn't clear, even though everyone knew it had to happen. I dunno, you understand what I'm trying to say here, in this point I mean? I dunno?
The thing that surprised me is that the world is "true"-ish openworld. Which makes the world seem extremely tiny.
Tbh, I thought SE would go for a FF10 style world. That is, you don't see everything, you're kinda going through the places that matters most for the story, with no world map, rather connecting places via a fancy menu or something similar. This way the world don't shrink to the size of a small country at best. Then again, to be fair, this isn't supposed to be the entire world. Still, the scope has been drastically reduced. No one ever asked in FF7:OG if the worldmap actually was the entire world. As it obviously was supposed to be. But it was highly abstracted, and you had to fill in the blanks yourself (optionally).
FF7:Remake was the game that finally killed any interest I have for any future mainline FF. The gameplay can be excellent, but if it's something that doesn't appeal to me, and will in fact bore me, there really isn't anything left.
I still find it interesting to see how the games are received, though, and discussions about them. But me buying a new mainline FF again will probably not happen.
Tbh, and to be fair, the game probably deserves an 8/10 -ish, mainly due to gameplay, overall presentation and amount of content. Giving it a 10/10 however, without any sort of copium and/or fanboy glasses on, is impossible.
Glad there’s at least one review that isn’t just “we blindly give Current Thing ™️ a 10/10 because reasons”
What I hate most are reviews that name off problems that are valid and even go into them with some depth and then still slap a 10/10 on there like they didn't hear the things they just said.
@@cardboardtubeknight they don’t wanna lose their brand deals I guess lol
"I spent money on thing so it's good because only a dumbdumb would spend money on bad thing and I'm no dumbdumb."
Synthetic man also did a critical review of the game, worth a watch.
How about it's a good game and ppl like it. Think that's a possibility? Can I get a brand deal for this statement? Lol
This game fails to capture. What made OG so amazing. And guess what ? This game and FFXVI are struggling to sell .
I think you kinda hit the nail on the head when you said that they don't know what we loved about the original, and this may be mostly because the limitations of the PS1 created spaces where the devs were forced to be more reliant on space and silence, or just simply rely on the powerful music compositions. This is even more apparent when you look at even older FF games like FF5 and FF6, and then draw those comparisons out into FF7, which is clearly a reflection/perfection of the same concepts. Similar music for a sad moment, etc. I've had this thought recently while listening to the music from Ff7 original and remake, sometimes comparing them.. The comparisons in the music is a perfect articulation of the differences between OG , Remake, and even Rebirth. The OG music is the simplest, but often the most emotionally deep, and every second of the tracks relatively short duration is powerfully felt. Whereas many tracks from Remake add this cinematic flare, a much longer duration that sometimes feels more "general". There are many more layers and instruments, it's literally more complicated, but that takes away from the focus of the original tracks. So I guess I basically agree with your opinion, however.. I still enjoyed Rebirth, and I enjoyed getting deeper looks into specific events. It's still ambiguous whether or not the remake trilogy truly is a sequel or not.. but I don't care either way.. If it's a sequel then the original is still in tact, and if it's the same story in more detail, then it's just like the music. The original is still there, and if that's the perfect way I want to hear the song, I'll go back and listen to it 1000 times.
At this point, I need to accept that the primary themes of Final Fantasy are now mid-2000s fashion and J-pop.
I'm at this point where I'm not on the edge of my seat for part 3 (which I should be considering what that arc of the og story entails). My concern was never them "changing" the FF7 story, it was always the devs telling basically the same story with worse storytelling mechanics. Yet I completely underestimated how bad SE storytelling could get. Granted, you cannot recreate a masterpiece, but they fumbled so many things by trying so hard to be "same but different." When I think about great remakes, I think about RE4R. Yes, a completely different genre - but it's about how they approached the idea of a "remake." They struck the right balance between same story and feel but with enhanced character depth, new segments, several changes which were actually improvements (eg the Luis and Ashley segments) and the sequence of things just making more sense. Convolution is bad for reasons beyond just being confusing. I think many of the remake defenders fail to consider that each of the remake titles are supposed to be standalones and are many people's entry into FF7, not just another FF7 fanfiction/extended universe spin off made just for them to theory craft over.
Business Division 1 at Square-Enix are abysmal at telling stories, they're repeating the same convoluted Kingdom Hearts BS themes.
For years Square's storytelling devolved into cryptic nonsense (i like cryptic stuff but in SE games it's mostly done in a bad way) and purposefully cutting stuff from their products so they can split it across movies, novels, interviews, spin offs and etc. This whole "sequel-make" thing is just the writters wanting to have their fun of playing around with the game(detail: Of all people, Nomura was the one that made the others not change even more than they did of the original story) but they also managed to make a perfect marketing strategy for people to be interested in a 3 parts Remake of a PSX game which is making them wonder about what will change and they mostly do the same shit with different steps and still manages to repeat the cycle, UA-camrs make theories or criticize the changes, the fandom will discuss this and untill the next part the game will not have died out and people will buy the game as fast as possible so they can not be spoiled about what have changed(mostly nothing), now with a multiverse they can continue to make FF7 products afther Remake, they said that there are 7 universes, now just think about it: They can just make a random novel showing how universe 5 looks like, something that takes place on Zack's timeline, make spin offs that aren't canon to the main timeline and go away, when you look at things like that, they are kinda smart.
I feel like part 2 of this remake series fell short in terms of storytelling. At the end of Remake it was, "anything can happen..." Rebirth is... "you know everything you like about disc 1? Ya, we're doing that now, except we're taking away character agency by just having them follow some hooded dudes. It's better. I PROMISE." 🤞. Also multiverse cuz reasons. The game has like 10 hours of mediocre story among 50 hours of mini games and annoying side content. A lot of the emotional payoffs felt worse in this game than the original. And this game has the benefit of acting and better visuals.
@@thatguy-dh1qh yeah I enjoyed the gameplay, the storytelling was where it kind of fell apart for me. I also find these "purposefully vague/you're supposed to be confused" arguments to be shallow excuses for poor quality in writing. There's a difference between a complex story and a convoluted one. If you have to defend it by "you'll understand in the end" it just tells me that the game, already 2/3 of its way in has failed in delivering a connected story that actually makes sense. I really don't think that this should be the feeling you have at this juncture. What makes it worse is that these games are supposed to be standalones and imo it's an issue that each instalment raises more questions than they answer. The way they're going I suspect we'll never have all the answers because it just isn't that well thought out beyond opening doors to more spin offs.
@mako3197 Nomura's infuence here is heavy handed and its an issue. He creates more questions than he answers. It's why KH3 left such a sour taste in my mouth after following the KH series from start to finish (with the previous arc), and playing every game at launch.