Coming from a guy with a couple Turbo cars. Hopefully this Taco with have bigger intercooler products, downpipes, Cold Air Intakes, Blow Off Valves, and Oil catch cans. Very important especially if people are going to run 35-37s and slap on tons a weight. That Turbo needs to breathe better & cool down better. I hope some company is reading this to help out this new 4th gen and make some serious dough in the process.
All of my previous turbo'd cars get catch cans and upgraded Radiators/intercoolers. Now in my 2.3 EcoBoost Bronco, I've yet to see high temps (oil/water) so I'll see once I get some 35s.
Ok so now, to the list of things you need: Lift, 35"+, front locker. And now + intercoolers, downpipes, cold air intakes, blow off valves, oil catch cans. And now you can't do a high-clearance bumper without cutting the frame. Sounds like a great deal at $70k.
@@Jrodxz Its not stock, It works as Toyota intended it. New truck so people won't know for a while what mods work and which ones wont. I have the new Ranger, I'm waiting to modify it until I see what everyone else gets away with. So far, there's no overheating with the Ranger.
My Jeep JL Rubicon has the i4 turbo and its fantastic on 37s. If there are issues, Toyota will make the changes for Tacoma owners. Toyota uses the i4 turbo in their Euro Land Cruiser (Australia) and its matching V8 performance (towing, etc) in stock configurations.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Aussie 2.4T is different to this American version. I say that because the U.S Highlander also has the new 2.4T, but apparently the Tacoma 2.4T engine only shares like half of the parts amongst those two. The Taco uses a different block and turbo, basically Toyota built it to handle way more abuse. Time will tell….
When I was growing up 33" tall tires were the biggest baddest tires you could get & it's probably comparable to a newer vehicle being on 35s almost 37" because the vehicle has increased in size so much! Tfl truck was towing around 4-5K pounds up a hill off-road going slow for about 2 mi by the time they stopped it was at the last Mark next to overheating the transmission & there was still snow on the ground!! I would love to see you guys try any of this in Phoenix between June-September your truck would be smoked & running in limp mode cause the heat!
Great first hand review! I drive a Tundra (Base SR) and use it lightly, so I haven't had any Transmission or Turbo heating concerns. My Truck is going minimalist, so I don't anticipate any negative issues with the direction I will be taking it. Nice to see some good looking rigs!
I love my v8 4runner with 4.88 geared front and rear. Running big wheels and tires with no power loss. I love my setup and will keep it for as long as i can
I just got my 4rh gen 3 days ago. It gets bronze TRD wheels with 285-70r17 Baja boss mt. I had a 3rd gen and so happy to hear that I made the right choice.
@@m.687 nobody said anything about the turbos overheating? Everything that is heating up is completely normal, a modified 3rd gen will have the same issues if not worse but you’ll never be able to tell because this is the only Tacoma that came with oil temp and trans temp gauges from factory
@@ghosted_trdthe guy literally said it in the video that in the long term that turbo is going to take a poop from overheating. Everyone knows these things won’t last nearly as long as the outgoing v6.
Definitely a nice build! What if you upgraded the radiator to a CSF and added a secondary cooler for the transmission? Also, with the added weight and larger tires, a regear might help a lot. You've added so much stress to the drivetrain with the nearly 400 lbs. of unsprung weight, greater diameter tires and a turbo. A regear would really help to manage those stresses much better. You'd probably realize better MPG as well.
I live in the northern wind river range in Wyoming and drive at elevation daily. The turbo is so much better at altitude than NA engine. Way way way better. I will never go back to NA engine.
My 19 4Runner handles mountain passes extremely easy lol.. lifted 3 inches running 33s with full gear on roof etc . Average 17-18mpg going 65mpg up passes.. however I’m tuned by Yotawerx and running 91 octane . It’s a beast over 9,000 feet elevation .
COBB needs to get a hold of the new turbo 4 and add in some tunes with the accessport. Will be cool to see how much more we can get out of this motor with tunes and performance parts
My brother has a 2018 Tacoma. He is being abusing that truck and it has never ever failed. It has never even been in the dealership, the only thing that he has ever replaced was the battery. I finally decided to get me a 2024 Tacoma and I have to say that I love it. I don’t have to carry heavy stuff around, but I do have to drive over rough terrain all the time and so far so good. I was concerned about the 4 cylinder, but it is doing the job. Let see if I can make it to 200,000 miles 😅
@@rx8dude907 tell that to all the super high mileage turbo diesels, and even all the past turbo gas engines. Turbos do last long if made right and cared for.
As much as I love the 4th gen, I'm glad to stick with my 3rd gen with the V6 and not have to worry about Regear, but on top of that potential issues with keeping turbo temps down once you start loading the truck down with gear.
Agreed with some of the other posters. Bigger turbo and intercooler with a custom tune for ECU and tcu. It’s nice to install all of the off road goodies but you need the powertrain upgrade to support. Good luck
Everyone on the Facebooks got all offended when I said this motor was going to be overstressed with big ass tires and all the racks and bumpers and stuff tacked on. In order to make the power/torque that it makes, it needs to be in boost. This truck is as heavy as a current F150/Silverado and with 35's and all the other crap, the 2.4L is having to move a lot of mass and tons of aerodrag, so its going to be deep in boost all the time. We already saw this with people setting up their 2.3L Rangers for overlanding. They were getting F250 V8 gas mileage. And I am not hating on turbo gas motors, I owned a 2014 F150 3.5L Ecoboost for 9 years and loved it. But my 6400 lb empty F150 Ecoboost on 35's got better MPG than this. It had 45% more displacement and so even moving that mass and large tires it was far less stressed.
The new Taco is very sharp and I waited and wanted one bad, but I ended up with the Nissan Pro 4X and love it. I was on pins and needles every Taco Tuesday looking for the latest update for the new ‘24 and even stayed up late when the official release was done in Hawaii, but during all that time, the Nissan Frontier keep coming up on the radar.
I was the same. I waited almost 2 years for this Tacoma and bought a at4 canyon instead lol. I like the frontier as well. By the looks of things we made a good call buying other brands 😂 I already got 35s on my canyon
@@jimandcathep9915 the hot climate doesn’t effect the lifespan of the turbo. You’re worried about the climate where you live and the turbo does nothing but get fed exhaust from your engine 8 times hotter or more. That’s a horrible excuse not to buy a vehicle with a turbo on it.
We 100% need another update with the new miles and how its doing. Ive been looking at them for some time now and still concerned engine wise. If you guys could do another update on how the engine and trans are holding up that would be amazing
If you dont have a 3rd generation taco get one, if you dont have a 5th gen 4runners get one! Pure reliability. I have more faith with my wifes 4 cylinder Rav4 trd off road than a new turbo 4 cylinder truck. I hope toyota figures this out. Because people buy toyotas for reliability.
The key is that these motors are making 315 ft-lbs of torque at 1700 rpm. They have no problem turning large tires. I put 35's on my F150 Ecoboost and it didnt even notice, it still drove awesome and would climb grades in 6th gear at 1800 rpm. Meanwhile I put 285/70's on my GX460 and the thing would be in 4th gear at 3000 rpm if the wind blew.
I've own every tacoma, minus this 4th gen, I'm really hoping to wait till the 3rd year of it before pulling the trigger. I love the looks not to big of a leap from the 3rd gen, with some improvements. My only concern is the new engines. But I got 2 years before I make a decision
I am guessing the turbo gets replaced around 150k. Not including early manufacture issues. I am more concerned if the motor will be stressed and burning oil at higher mileage. I really don't think I would be running high mileage oil changes on these.
@@abjeepify no. no it doesn't. energy is taken from the engine and stored for later use in a battery. that energy (minus losses) is then used when you need it. PERHAPS you will enjoy some boost at some time, but not for long continuous use. the battery is drained and energy has to be diverted to charge it (or is left discharged). at that point, you have an ICE engine with heavy hybrid components along for the ride. or worse, charging steals energy when you need it. every conversion, and even storage of energy causes losses. i can't believe people think you get extra power by adding a hybrid system.
@@j.b.708well the Toyota fanboys have nothing else to explain the astronomically high prices. Shows you they don't really know how about how it works just that its gotta be better since it's more expensive 😂 the 2 Ecoboost V6's will mop the floor with the tacos in uphill towing and drag race. To see how badly a battery system does off-road just go look at a 4xe review where the much larger battery runs out of juice in a few hundred feet.
@@jeffk464yeah the next car I buy will be oem from the beginning. after heavily modifying a 22 GX460 to get the look of an off-roader, ill likely buy a grenadier next.
I think its to be expected that you’ll be running higher boost. Without a gearing update. Reduction is torque due to the increased tire size makes the engine work harder since it depends on the turbo. Im curious if a Re-Gear would allow the drive train to operate more efficiently. I appreciate these people taking the plunge for us all and giving their experience!
Toyota have done a bunch of big turbo diesel engines in Australia, the twin turbo v6 is similar to the landcruiser 300 series, although that is diesel, they’re not built to run big f off tyres but they do last quite well in aus harsh conditions
Jason If you loved your 5th gen 4Runner wait till you try a Land Cruiser 200… 383hp v8 and 35s fit easy plus it’s a lot stronger parts. That’s why I went that direction and it’s night and day better than the 4Runner
High temps like that on the turbo just from a mild increase to 35s is not a good sign. Id bet a lot of money will go into keeping that thing going and parts being replaced by 60 or 70 k
Don't know why off-road guys don't get light weight wheels. I came from performance cars and I put light weight wheels on my 21 3rd gen pro and makes a world of difference.
@@Shadowdancer777 Ah, that's my bad. For the same reason, lightweight wheels are not as durable. Ever seen an off roaders rims? They're beat to piss. Imagine that with a lightweight alloy
I’m thinking about going with 35’s. Any need for an aftermarket transmission cooler to help out the automatic? Any help would be appreciated, thank you!
Toyota's transmission coolers pretty much suck across the board so I would highly suggest it. Tacoma's and 4Runner's historically likely got away without it because the V6's just were not making the power and torque like these new turbo motors.
It will be interesting to see how the I-4 turbo works long term. Full-boost full-time for extended periods makes me wonder how the head gasket will fare. My suspicion is the head gasket fails before the turbo does. What was not mentioned is regearing. I would expect regearing for 37s would greatly reduce the loading the 37s are putting on the overall powertrain. From what I've seen, regearing seems to be less common in the Tacoma domain than for Jeeps. Admittedly, I'm new to this, coming from the Jeep world.
All I can say is good luck on getting warranty work for the Turbo/Engine/Transmission. All they have to do is tie the non OE wheels/tires to directly being the cause and they can void your warranty.
How would that help with freeway driving? The battery is only 1.8 kwh, it would be drained in a matter of minutes if it supplied any meaningful amount of power. its not like it can provide 150 ft-lbs of torque all day long. Everyone who buys the iforce max thinking its going to help turn 35's on the freeway is in for a rude awakening
Sounds like it has enough torque to not gear hunt, but at the cost of being in boost more than you'd want. So re-gear makes sense. Don't think you'd need to go as high as previous gens. From there someone needs to head to PURETURBO for them to make some more efficient hybrid turbos paired with more cooling.
Any vehicle with bigger tires will work the engines harder. Not just turbos. Stock power will be fine with stock cooling. When you add power that's when you need more supporting upgrades.
Toyota's reliability was built off using old tech, detuned slow engines, and testing everything so thoroughly before release. Now that they are trying to compete with modern vehicles, they are having the same issues. This was seen through the tech updates and electrical issues in the last gen and now again with all of their new trucks. Tuning will probably help the overheating by keeping it in a lower gear. Might be a good idea to install an external cooler if there isn't already one for the trans fluid. Thank you for being a pioneer on a new platform!
Ford has been manufacturing Turbo 4 cylinders for quite some time now, and Toyota is actually one of the last to implement the Turbo 4 Cyl in their Mid-Size truck offering. So they are definitely not inovating. Played it "safe" for a while i'd say. The NISSAN Frontier, on the other hand, is one of the last pickups to sport a naturally aspirated engine. The VQ38 is solid, and mated to a buttery and bulletproof 9 spd Auto. Drivetrain-wise, I'd go with the Nissan Frontier. But hey, it's not all about that. Tough choice here between the Taco and the Frontier. Maybe throw a more efficient radiator, oil cooler for the AT, and bigger HEAT EXCHANGER for the Turbo and we have a winner.
Go look at the titan forums and see the di-only carbon buildup bs they have to deal with. We have a 19 Frontier with the 4.0 5 speed. That was the last great frontier.
@@legacy8711 loud howling from the driveline area over 20mph. Apparently a shield wasn’t pressed in all the way during assembly. Toyota has yet to answer my dealership in Portland on a timeframe. I’m in a loaner.
I don’t understand why they didn’t just run the dual turbo 6 cylinder in the Tacoma and 4-runner too. Does that just make too much sense? Also, does anyone know if the new Tundra engine fits in the Tacoma?
Just wondering if, when computing gas mileage, you take into account that it's going farther than the odometer says when you're running 35s. Or does the truck automatically correct the mileage? Thanks
Need to regear and also adjust the speedo. That transmission is not happy especially if offroad. The turbo will be ok in stock form with no engine upgrades.
No it won't. Plenty of problems with high compression small engines. No one has solved the issues of direct injection vehicles with boost. You'll need a new turbo. Other supporting parts sooner than later. For the premium price it's not worth it
I love how all these Toyota people are so excited about how they can put 34's or 35's on these new trucks and not feel like they are dragging a ship anchor behind without regearing. I had a fairly light set of 285/70's on my GX460 and it still felt like a turd. Meanwhile, Ford owners have been saying for 14 years how awesome the Ecoboosts are and casually running 35's with stock gearing like its nothing.
I have a 22 tundra living in Colorado, I offroad alot, hit trails alot and never had any over heating or anything. So not sure where this is all coming from about the tundra. So I know toyota did some intense testing and engineering on these new turbo 4 motors especially for heat and you guys say they are getting hot. Anyways, thank you for this real world review. I have been debating on going back to a tacoma until the 26 tundras come out hopefully with the trailhunter. Thanks again and great looking trucks
I think the overheating happens when you put a lot of payload. Like bigger tires, steel bumpers, roof racks, roof tent etc.. these 4bangers hve extremely low payload capacity compared to previous gen.
full boost on the freeway!!!! That turbo is not gonna last!! Also, It look like the turbo i4 drinks like a V8. But Yeah I also appreciate the honest review!!
All that weight added makes the engine work harder and it being a turbo, forced induction, that smaller engine will have to work harder and that will effect the longevity. I would personally change the oil every 3k and other preventative maintenance would be done sooner. Good luck and I hope it all works out. I have a 23 TRD-OR, I had a 21 SR5 but totaled it 🥹. Nice looking truck!
I have 285/70's on my 4G and I average 22mpg on the highway (most of my daily 30mi commute). About to pass 1k miles on the odo, and stock 265/70's I saw up to 25mpg. Mind you these are averages, so longer travel times will increase average.
Great looking truck! On your brothers truck what offset rims are those. Tires are 295. Im considering 285 on my stock tacoma trd sport. I want tires to be flush with fender flares. Thank you
Was looking at one of these and now I'm a little scared. That overheating seems like it would be an issue with the amount of load, but even then, tires, roof rack, bed rack, bumper gear...that's still gotta be under payload right? someone smarter than I am, let me know if maybe this is just a 'modded issue' as I'd likely be going stock for a while.
The computer says 15mpg but In reality it’s 16-17+mpg combined which is really good. My 5th gen 4Runner had the same wheel set up and the same weight, 4.88 gears and I was averaging 11-12mpg
on 35" , 15 mpg !! pho-Sure, with that tiny engine & turbo at full boost that engine & turbo is dead at 80,000??? (running that hot, better change oil at 3000-4000 & go to a slight thicker oil) I think you need to vent the hood and add a huge radiator & fan / vent that turbo (add a turbo timer) and add a trans/diff/engine oil cooler ( I have an old 87 pickup 4x4 22r, 2004 awd mini van, 97 corolla, 11 awd 3.5v6 rav4, soo a huge Toyo Fan, few other vw turbo stuff ), I hope the engine and trans last on 35" tires , I hope to buy the new 2025 4Runner
With the MPG is that based off the truck computer? Or is that from actual miles logged? If it’s the computer calculating the MPG is the speedometer adjusted for the 35in tires or is it still off a bit? Love the truck man it’s Badass!!
The hybrid portion not gonna help much it's a tiny battery meant to help you get off the line or provide temporary boost. It isn't built for sustained performance which is pretty obvious given the size of the battery. In straight line driving with no load that battery would last about a mile before you'd be back to relying on your turbo 4 banger with a heavy hybrid system attached.
What Toyota should of done is a dual 4 cylinder turbo... the extra motor could have been used to expend on all that heat and toque into zen fruition. Like I said before, no hate here just what's obvious. The 4 banger (cylinder) the turbo is gonna have expediently more pressure with less dissipation causing increase heat on engine wear.
This is what I thought would happen the first time I heard 4-cylinder and a turbo. This engine is going to be toast, IF your an overlander. The turbo will go first though. If you keep it stock and drive it like a car, it will be fine. We all in this community have spent 6 years maxing out our 1ft, 2nd, and 3rd gen Tacos. And as I look at this guy's rig this thing is probably 1000 pounds lighter than my 2018 3rd gen on 37s with an off-road camper on the back and all the bells and whistles that go along with off-roading an overlanding. When it came to buying a 24. I wanted to wait to see how this engine holds up against the worst we overlanders can through at these trucks. These over weighted rigs are about to face there first real test. and that is a summer wheeling in Utha, Arizona, New Mexico, California, And Texas. If this thing is overheating in the snow. what the hell is it going to do in 100 pulse temps of the West and South of America. I give it 2 years before we start really hearing about these truck's engine giving up where 1, 2, and 3 gens breezed through. We are asking for more from engine built to do less. You can through all the turbos you want on these things. All that does is shortens their lives. Remember It's not about year 1, or year 2. Its about year 5 and beyond. Because I'm Still running my old 2nd gen on 40's for rock crawling and its siting at over 200K.
It’s very common for transmissions to overheat while off-roading, the 3rd gen’s do it and probably other generation. You can’t tell unless you have a gauge connected to your OBD2. My buddies 3rd gen (37s, 5.29 gears, supercharger) gets hot, mine is easier to manage.
@@ghosted_trd Slow going on the trails. Its unavoidable. BUT. He's talking about transmission overheat on the freeway, and turbo max spooling continuously. He's not even talking about off-roading yet. This is just daily driving on the freeway. The turbo can't keep doing this for your whole trip on a long highway trip. It will fail.
@@michaelfincham2749 I should’ve specified in the video, the transmission only overheats on the trail. (Going up steep grades in 4HI at low speeds still having the trans in drive instead of 1-2 gear). The temps do just fine daily driving and on the freeway, the oil temp goes up 1-2 bars on the freeway
Really it just shows Toyota's ignorance. They know how people build up these trucks and they should have put the 3.4L from the Tundra in it. The engine has 40% more displacement and 2 extra cylinders and would be under far less stress. My 2014 F150 3.5L Ecoboost was 6400 lbs empty and was on 35's and got the same or better MPG's then they were saying this Tacoma got.
Toyota will fix it. This is the guinea pig years for both the tundra and Tacoma. Once they get all that feedback done they will switch up the build process on future model years. They spent a shit ton of money in designing these trucks they’ll perfect it over time
@@Teacher659 yeah I can’t say I can justify the price either at this time. But ya every Toyota first run of a new generation has had its gremlins. But Toyota will fix it and perfect in the next couple years of releases. They’ve done this with absolutely every vehicle. I just hope the people who bought now are being taken care of by dealerships to fix the gremlins
I will say this.. I appreciate an honest review and not a sugar coat just because it’s a 4th gen
Agreed its the first year of new generation as well. I think in line 6 non turbo would've been a perfect engine in these trucks.
Coming from a guy with a couple Turbo cars. Hopefully this Taco with have bigger intercooler products, downpipes, Cold Air Intakes, Blow Off Valves, and Oil catch cans. Very important especially if people are going to run 35-37s and slap on tons a weight. That Turbo needs to breathe better & cool down better. I hope some company is reading this to help out this new 4th gen and make some serious dough in the process.
The new Tacoma has no blowoff valve from the factory
@@ghosted_trd does it not recirculate like the Tundra?
All of my previous turbo'd cars get catch cans and upgraded Radiators/intercoolers. Now in my 2.3 EcoBoost Bronco, I've yet to see high temps (oil/water) so I'll see once I get some 35s.
@@ghosted_trd No, modern turbo cars have true BOV's, they are recirculation valves and dump the boost back into the intake pre-turbo.
Ok so now, to the list of things you need: Lift, 35"+, front locker. And now + intercoolers, downpipes, cold air intakes, blow off valves, oil catch cans. And now you can't do a high-clearance bumper without cutting the frame. Sounds like a great deal at $70k.
Overheating and it's not even summer yet. What would happen at a 100f day?
Thank you for listening to us! Beautiful trucks
Overworked turbo 4 cylinder. Everyone called and here it is lol.
absolutely agreed unfortunately it was inevitable. Hope Toyota adds better cooling
All that weight. Axles weren’t designed for those tires
@@Jrodxz Its not stock, It works as Toyota intended it. New truck so people won't know for a while what mods work and which ones wont. I have the new Ranger, I'm waiting to modify it until I see what everyone else gets away with. So far, there's no overheating with the Ranger.
He put all that crap on it. No wonder!
My Jeep JL Rubicon has the i4 turbo and its fantastic on 37s. If there are issues, Toyota will make the changes for Tacoma owners. Toyota uses the i4 turbo in their Euro Land Cruiser (Australia) and its matching V8 performance (towing, etc) in stock configurations.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Aussie 2.4T is different to this American version.
I say that because the U.S Highlander also has the new 2.4T, but apparently the Tacoma 2.4T engine only shares like half of the parts amongst those two. The Taco uses a different block and turbo, basically Toyota built it to handle way more abuse.
Time will tell….
you have a better stock final drive ratio for bigger tires. not sure if this taco re geared or not
Not so sure, so long as it works with the max 33" factory tires Toyota will probably think they did it right.
@@goforbroke2the Aussies have a 2.8 turbo diesel, are these Tacoma's diesel engines now?
I’ve had 37’s on my tundra for over 32k miles and I have never overheated with the transmission.
Did you re-gear?
When I was growing up 33" tall tires were the biggest baddest tires you could get & it's probably comparable to a newer vehicle being on 35s almost 37" because the vehicle has increased in size so much! Tfl truck was towing around 4-5K pounds up a hill off-road going slow for about 2 mi by the time they stopped it was at the last Mark next to overheating the transmission & there was still snow on the ground!! I would love to see you guys try any of this in Phoenix between June-September your truck would be smoked & running in limp mode cause the heat!
They need to make a turbo diesel for the tundra
Yup. I’d buy one tomorrow if they did.
Turbo diesel from landcruiser abroad🙏🏼💪🏼
Non USA markets are so lucky
You spelled Tacoma wrong 😅
Man you a pastor he'll yeah that'll be lovely
Great first hand review! I drive a Tundra (Base SR) and use it lightly, so I haven't had any Transmission or Turbo heating concerns. My Truck is going minimalist, so I don't anticipate any negative issues with the direction I will be taking it. Nice to see some good looking rigs!
I love my v8 4runner with 4.88 geared front and rear. Running big wheels and tires with no power loss. I love my setup and will keep it for as long as i can
What about the rear shocks falling off this truck? I saw that on Jayce's story. He had to zip tie them back on until he got new hardware.
I just got my 4rh gen 3 days ago. It gets bronze TRD wheels with 285-70r17 Baja boss mt. I had a 3rd gen and so happy to hear that I made the right choice.
Congrats man
Congrats man!!
Sounds like a bad choice. Overheating turbos... Will never have that issue with the 3rd gen.
@@m.687 nobody said anything about the turbos overheating? Everything that is heating up is completely normal, a modified 3rd gen will have the same issues if not worse but you’ll never be able to tell because this is the only Tacoma that came with oil temp and trans temp gauges from factory
@@ghosted_trdthe guy literally said it in the video that in the long term that turbo is going to take a poop from overheating. Everyone knows these things won’t last nearly as long as the outgoing v6.
Definitely a nice build! What if you upgraded the radiator to a CSF and added a secondary cooler for the transmission? Also, with the added weight and larger tires, a regear might help a lot. You've added so much stress to the drivetrain with the nearly 400 lbs. of unsprung weight, greater diameter tires and a turbo. A regear would really help to manage those stresses much better. You'd probably realize better MPG as well.
Yea, I’m hoping a company will make a kit soon
I live in the northern wind river range in Wyoming and drive at elevation daily. The turbo is so much better at altitude than NA engine. Way way way better. I will never go back to NA engine.
And your engine will NEVER last as long as a NA...😢
you will when its time to replace the turbo...lmao...
My 19 4Runner handles mountain passes extremely easy lol.. lifted 3 inches running 33s with full gear on roof etc . Average 17-18mpg going 65mpg up passes.. however I’m tuned by Yotawerx and running 91 octane . It’s a beast over 9,000 feet elevation .
COBB needs to get a hold of the new turbo 4 and add in some tunes with the accessport. Will be cool to see how much more we can get out of this motor with tunes and performance parts
4000 miles, hasn’t giving you issues… except the high temps and burning smell. They talked more about the accessories than the truck it self.
I’m stoked about you being so stoked!
Sounds like you need a re-gear, a tune and a larger intercooler
All in the works!
regear can solve most of their problems
Yup agreed
A jeep jl runs 37s with the 2.0 turbo no problem. Sounds like a Toyota reliability issue
Why should you need to do that for a 33.9 inch 11 inch wide tire? That’s absolutely ridiculous.
Honestly, the biggest tires I'm going to go with on my 24 are 33's.
Agree. 35’s are just to big and heavy for that truck.
@@HD-on2eg yeah, and at 14mpg? That's only 224 mile range with that gas tank not counting the 2 gallon reserve.
they come with 32.7 inch tires i think. isnt that considered a 33?
@@jameskocks4734 most qualify the stock tires as 32 with the hybrid models getting proper stock 33s
@@jackcrackerman I am now averaging 16-17mpg with a 10 ply 35” tire
My brother has a 2018 Tacoma. He is being abusing that truck and it has never ever failed. It has never even been in the dealership, the only thing that he has ever replaced was the battery. I finally decided to get me a 2024 Tacoma and I have to say that I love it. I don’t have to carry heavy stuff around, but I do have to drive over rough terrain all the time and so far so good. I was concerned about the 4 cylinder, but it is doing the job. Let see if I can make it to 200,000 miles 😅
Don’t talk about reliability till the ODO hits 200k minimum. Hate fanboy reviews
Facts.
Yeah this engine has to prove its self before we can say anything. Regardless turbo engines don’t last very long
@@rx8dude907 tell that to all the super high mileage turbo diesels, and even all the past turbo gas engines. Turbos do last long if made right and cared for.
@@rx8dude907cummins turbo diesel with 700k ✋🏽😮💨
@@rx8dude907 ya sure about that?
I’m happy with my 2019 Taco
As much as I love the 4th gen, I'm glad to stick with my 3rd gen with the V6 and not have to worry about Regear, but on top of that potential issues with keeping turbo temps down once you start loading the truck down with gear.
Agreed with some of the other posters.
Bigger turbo and intercooler with a custom tune for ECU and tcu.
It’s nice to install all of the off road goodies but you need the powertrain upgrade to support.
Good luck
I saw on another channel where they replaced air filter to a Ted pro filter and it helped.
Everyone on the Facebooks got all offended when I said this motor was going to be overstressed with big ass tires and all the racks and bumpers and stuff tacked on. In order to make the power/torque that it makes, it needs to be in boost. This truck is as heavy as a current F150/Silverado and with 35's and all the other crap, the 2.4L is having to move a lot of mass and tons of aerodrag, so its going to be deep in boost all the time.
We already saw this with people setting up their 2.3L Rangers for overlanding. They were getting F250 V8 gas mileage.
And I am not hating on turbo gas motors, I owned a 2014 F150 3.5L Ecoboost for 9 years and loved it. But my 6400 lb empty F150 Ecoboost on 35's got better MPG than this. It had 45% more displacement and so even moving that mass and large tires it was far less stressed.
Your eco has 50% more cylinders to do the work. No replacement for displacement applies 3.5L > 2.4L
The end of an era
Did you re-gear it? If you are running stock gears with 35’s the truck is not going to be happy.
There is no re-gear kits yet
Glad I decided to keep my 21 yota😊
The new Taco is very sharp and I waited and wanted one bad, but I ended up with the Nissan Pro 4X and love it. I was on pins and needles every Taco Tuesday looking for the latest update for the new ‘24 and even stayed up late when the official release was done in Hawaii, but during all that time, the Nissan Frontier keep coming up on the radar.
Same, love my pro4x and the 3.8 v6 has tons of power.
I was the same. I waited almost 2 years for this Tacoma and bought a at4 canyon instead lol. I like the frontier as well. By the looks of things we made a good call buying other brands 😂 I already got 35s on my canyon
You made the right choice!
Right on - I may be going that direction as well - I don't see turbos holding up well in Hawaii considering the heat factor.
@@jimandcathep9915 the hot climate doesn’t effect the lifespan of the turbo. You’re worried about the climate where you live and the turbo does nothing but get fed exhaust from your engine 8 times hotter or more. That’s a horrible excuse not to buy a vehicle with a turbo on it.
We can only dream of a V8 in a Runner or Taco
That is known as a 1st gen Tundra.
I dream of a naturally aspirated inline 6 diesel on a taco
We 100% need another update with the new miles and how its doing. Ive been looking at them for some time now and still concerned engine wise. If you guys could do another update on how the engine and trans are holding up that would be amazing
If you dont have a 3rd generation taco get one, if you dont have a 5th gen 4runners get one! Pure reliability. I have more faith with my wifes 4 cylinder Rav4 trd off road than a new turbo 4 cylinder truck. I hope toyota figures this out. Because people buy toyotas for reliability.
Adding lift and tires robs power. Is there enough power to run that setup or will you need to re-gear? I run a 4th Gen 4Runner with the V8.
This truck puts the power down, it’s surprisingly really quick. The truck feels unfazed by the big tires and added weight
The key is that these motors are making 315 ft-lbs of torque at 1700 rpm. They have no problem turning large tires. I put 35's on my F150 Ecoboost and it didnt even notice, it still drove awesome and would climb grades in 6th gear at 1800 rpm.
Meanwhile I put 285/70's on my GX460 and the thing would be in 4th gear at 3000 rpm if the wind blew.
@@Jay-me7gwbut that's a f150 Ecoboost not a turbo 4 banger
what lug nuts are you running ?
He pretty much said the truck doesn't run good with 35s. Max boost all the time is not good will be a 💣🧨💥
...imagine a diesel engine in a Tacoma, no more heating problem, and very good MPG.
I've own every tacoma, minus this 4th gen, I'm really hoping to wait till the 3rd year of it before pulling the trigger. I love the looks not to big of a leap from the 3rd gen, with some improvements. My only concern is the new engines. But I got 2 years before I make a decision
What is the tallest tire you can put on the new tacoma without any lift 34 inch ?
44 actually
@@andrewjarvis7777 44 LOLOLOLOL - CAN YOU TURN THE STEERING WHEEL WITH 44 INCH TIRES WITHOUT LIFT ?
@@user-zs1fr7im6l a tiny bit. Also involves an insane amount of cutting. But after all that they’ll go on without lift 🤣
😂
@@andrewjarvis7777 ALRIGHT 48'S IT IS !
if your using bigger tires ,it is a must to do regear on your differential to prevent breaking your gearing
I am guessing the turbo gets replaced around 150k. Not including early manufacture issues. I am more concerned if the motor will be stressed and burning oil at higher mileage. I really don't think I would be running high mileage oil changes on these.
Curious how the hybrid will blend in power with bigger tires and armor. Hopefully will fill in power to take some stress off the turbo
We plan on testing this for sure!
you don't think you actually get MORE power just because you added a hybrid system, do you?
@@j.b.708that's kind of how it works...
@@abjeepify no. no it doesn't. energy is taken from the engine and stored for later use in a battery. that energy (minus losses) is then used when you need it. PERHAPS you will enjoy some boost at some time, but not for long continuous use. the battery is drained and energy has to be diverted to charge it (or is left discharged). at that point, you have an ICE engine with heavy hybrid components along for the ride. or worse, charging steals energy when you need it. every conversion, and even storage of energy causes losses. i can't believe people think you get extra power by adding a hybrid system.
@@j.b.708well the Toyota fanboys have nothing else to explain the astronomically high prices. Shows you they don't really know how about how it works just that its gotta be better since it's more expensive 😂 the 2 Ecoboost V6's will mop the floor with the tacos in uphill towing and drag race. To see how badly a battery system does off-road just go look at a 4xe review where the much larger battery runs out of juice in a few hundred feet.
Need an update on this truck. Got the 24 sport and was wanting to throw 35s. But the talk about the turbo had me concerned.
More and more mods are coming out for the 24’ so id recommend waiting a bit
Watching here in the Philippines, nice truck, nice video, hope the next generation of Hilux, will look like a Tacoma
Any idea when the next generation of Hilux will come out?
@@OGtruthserum Maybe in 2026
in the Philippines
@@arvinmaghirang5752 Yes, it never coming to the U.S, but I have always loved the look of the Hilux.
@@OGtruthserum Tacoma is a great truck, but we don't have here, either
What offset on those Methods with the 295s?
+25 offset
Was transmission cooler upgraded/ installed? Diff, re geared?
Indeed, once you start modifying you might have to keep upgrading a bunch of stuff.
@@jeffk464yeah the next car I buy will be oem from the beginning. after heavily modifying a 22 GX460 to get the look of an off-roader, ill likely buy a grenadier next.
Great Q&A!
I think its to be expected that you’ll be running higher boost. Without a gearing update.
Reduction is torque due to the increased tire size makes the engine work harder since it depends on the turbo.
Im curious if a Re-Gear would allow the drive train to operate more efficiently.
I appreciate these people taking the plunge for us all and giving their experience!
Toyota have done a bunch of big turbo diesel engines in Australia, the twin turbo v6 is similar to the landcruiser 300 series, although that is diesel, they’re not built to run big f off tyres but they do last quite well in aus harsh conditions
Can't compare turbo diesel with turbo gas not even remotely the same. The diesel will last for decades unlike a gas turbo.
Jason If you loved your 5th gen 4Runner wait till you try a Land Cruiser 200… 383hp v8 and 35s fit easy plus it’s a lot stronger parts. That’s why I went that direction and it’s night and day better than the 4Runner
High temps like that on the turbo just from a mild increase to 35s is not a good sign. Id bet a lot of money will go into keeping that thing going and parts being replaced by 60 or 70 k
Both our raptors are on 40s and never overheat but i get 8 miles per gallon hahah
But you have more fun in a Raptor 😂
Don't know why off-road guys don't get light weight wheels. I came from performance cars and I put light weight wheels on my 21 3rd gen pro and makes a world of difference.
Because lightweight tires pop easily.
@BnMProductions11 not talking about tires. Talking about rims.
@@Shadowdancer777 Ah, that's my bad. For the same reason, lightweight wheels are not as durable. Ever seen an off roaders rims? They're beat to piss. Imagine that with a lightweight alloy
@BnMProductions11 true. Light weight wheels blow up and smash easily. Just came from the tire shop and was looking at a light weight wheel destroyed.
I’m thinking about going with 35’s. Any need for an aftermarket transmission cooler to help out the automatic? Any help would be appreciated, thank you!
Toyota's transmission coolers pretty much suck across the board so I would highly suggest it.
Tacoma's and 4Runner's historically likely got away without it because the V6's just were not making the power and torque like these new turbo motors.
It will be interesting to see how the I-4 turbo works long term. Full-boost full-time for extended periods makes me wonder how the head gasket will fare. My suspicion is the head gasket fails before the turbo does.
What was not mentioned is regearing. I would expect regearing for 37s would greatly reduce the loading the 37s are putting on the overall powertrain. From what I've seen, regearing seems to be less common in the Tacoma domain than for Jeeps. Admittedly, I'm new to this, coming from the Jeep world.
The white one is sic!
I'm curious what power will be once people get a downpipe on these turbos, and maybe a mild-tune.
I’ll be the one to do that and review it!
Knowing toyota the turbo is probably tiny and there isnt much potential. 50hp at most I bet.
All I can say is good luck on getting warranty work for the Turbo/Engine/Transmission. All they have to do is tie the non OE wheels/tires to directly being the cause and they can void your warranty.
Who needs warranty tacos last forever!
I would wait for the i Max Hybrid setup for the xtra TQ, that should help fwy driving.
How would that help with freeway driving? The battery is only 1.8 kwh, it would be drained in a matter of minutes if it supplied any meaningful amount of power. its not like it can provide 150 ft-lbs of torque all day long.
Everyone who buys the iforce max thinking its going to help turn 35's on the freeway is in for a rude awakening
@@Jay-me7gwexactly
Toyotas engineer even said that in an interview. The hybrid is for torque not for mpg.
@@ajscm6748 temporary bursts of torque. Not sustained torque.
@@ajscm6748torque is what gets you moving HP keeps you going. The 2.7L V6 ranger is going to mop the floor with the tacos 😂
What gears do you run on 35’s? Is a rehear of the differentials needed?
For 2024 there’s still no aftermarket regears so only time will tell
OK what turbo are we going to put in this? Can someone make a manifold for a bigger turbo?
"I am a fan boy"
Good real world feedback! Can you clarify if the 15MPG has the tire size change corrected? Or was it just the read out straight from the truck
That was just the read out but he said he’s getting ~17 now with everything corrected
@@tacomabeast good to know. thanks!
15 mpg with an over-worked turbo? Sounds like the 5.7 V8 is. better deal?
Sounds like it has enough torque to not gear hunt, but at the cost of being in boost more than you'd want. So re-gear makes sense. Don't think you'd need to go as high as previous gens. From there someone needs to head to PURETURBO for them to make some more efficient hybrid turbos paired with more cooling.
Problem is we don’t have gears for it yet.
@@tacomabeast price of being first 😂
Any vehicle with bigger tires will work the engines harder. Not just turbos. Stock power will be fine with stock cooling. When you add power that's when you need more supporting upgrades.
Toyota's reliability was built off using old tech, detuned slow engines, and testing everything so thoroughly before release. Now that they are trying to compete with modern vehicles, they are having the same issues. This was seen through the tech updates and electrical issues in the last gen and now again with all of their new trucks. Tuning will probably help the overheating by keeping it in a lower gear. Might be a good idea to install an external cooler if there isn't already one for the trans fluid. Thank you for being a pioneer on a new platform!
Awesome build💯💪🔥
Ford has been manufacturing Turbo 4 cylinders for quite some time now, and Toyota is actually one of the last to implement the Turbo 4 Cyl in their Mid-Size truck offering. So they are definitely not inovating. Played it "safe" for a while i'd say.
The NISSAN Frontier, on the other hand, is one of the last pickups to sport a naturally aspirated engine. The VQ38 is solid, and mated to a buttery and bulletproof 9 spd Auto.
Drivetrain-wise, I'd go with the Nissan Frontier. But hey, it's not all about that. Tough choice here between the Taco and the Frontier. Maybe throw a more efficient radiator, oil cooler for the AT, and bigger HEAT EXCHANGER for the Turbo and we have a winner.
Go look at the titan forums and see the di-only carbon buildup bs they have to deal with. We have a 19 Frontier with the 4.0 5 speed. That was the last great frontier.
1 day and my 24 went back for warranty. Hopefully they fix it quick.
What happened?
@@legacy8711 loud howling from the driveline area over 20mph. Apparently a shield wasn’t pressed in all the way during assembly. Toyota has yet to answer my dealership in Portland on a timeframe. I’m in a loaner.
That turbo is definitely gonna take a dump.
ugh the part of the vid talking about the trans temps with the tundra just confirmed my fears for this turbo taco :/
I don’t understand why they didn’t just run the dual turbo 6 cylinder in the Tacoma and 4-runner too. Does that just make too much sense?
Also, does anyone know if the new Tundra engine fits in the Tacoma?
Just wondering if, when computing gas mileage, you take into account that it's going farther than the odometer says when you're running 35s. Or does the truck automatically correct the mileage? Thanks
Need to regear and also adjust the speedo. That transmission is not happy especially if offroad. The turbo will be ok in stock form with no engine upgrades.
No it won't. Plenty of problems with high compression small engines. No one has solved the issues of direct injection vehicles with boost. You'll need a new turbo. Other supporting parts sooner than later. For the premium price it's not worth it
Meh
My jl with 37s never gets hot with the turbo motor. Seems like a Toyota reliability issue
@@stlswagger that IS the elephant in the room. toyota has sacrificed durability ,which WAS their biggest selling feature.
lol!!! Nope
I love how all these Toyota people are so excited about how they can put 34's or 35's on these new trucks and not feel like they are dragging a ship anchor behind without regearing. I had a fairly light set of 285/70's on my GX460 and it still felt like a turd.
Meanwhile, Ford owners have been saying for 14 years how awesome the Ecoboosts are and casually running 35's with stock gearing like its nothing.
Ecoboosts don’t last
Well Ford knows trucks. Toyota knows Prius 😂
@@marklihsu Prius is such a good deal though!
Unless I missed it there was no mention of re gearing the white taco?! If not this should help with the overheating, reducing the load on the tranny
Yeah no re gears out yet but it’s on the list once the aftermarket catches up
Turbo and front differential issues for future buyers
I haven’t had any issues with my front diff and I’ve been beating this truck
@@ghosted_trdlucky, my dads exploded the 3rd day
I have a 22 tundra living in Colorado, I offroad alot, hit trails alot and never had any over heating or anything. So not sure where this is all coming from about the tundra.
So I know toyota did some intense testing and engineering on these new turbo 4 motors especially for heat and you guys say they are getting hot. Anyways, thank you for this real world review. I have been debating on going back to a tacoma until the 26 tundras come out hopefully with the trailhunter. Thanks again and great looking trucks
I think the overheating happens when you put a lot of payload. Like bigger tires, steel bumpers, roof racks, roof tent etc.. these 4bangers hve extremely low payload capacity compared to previous gen.
Toyota has been building extremely reliable turbo trucks for literally decades boys... its called the Landcruiser.
full boost on the freeway!!!! That turbo is not gonna last!! Also, It look like the turbo i4 drinks like a V8. But Yeah I also appreciate the honest review!!
All that weight added makes the engine work harder and it being a turbo, forced induction, that smaller engine will have to work harder and that will effect the longevity.
I would personally change the oil every 3k and other preventative maintenance would be done sooner. Good luck and I hope it all works out. I have a 23 TRD-OR, I had a 21 SR5 but totaled it 🥹.
Nice looking truck!
4000mi is not enough time to know how the turbo 4s will be. 10:31
I have 285/70's on my 4G and I average 22mpg on the highway (most of my daily 30mi commute). About to pass 1k miles on the odo, and stock 265/70's I saw up to 25mpg. Mind you these are averages, so longer travel times will increase average.
I hope this 4gen will be OK in 10 years, 3gen it's good 👍
I’m hoping so too!
Great looking truck! On your brothers truck what offset rims are those. Tires are 295. Im considering 285 on my stock tacoma trd sport. I want tires to be flush with fender flares. Thank you
Was looking at one of these and now I'm a little scared. That overheating seems like it would be an issue with the amount of load, but even then, tires, roof rack, bed rack, bumper gear...that's still gotta be under payload right? someone smarter than I am, let me know if maybe this is just a 'modded issue' as I'd likely be going stock for a while.
Wouldn't a tune help this issue?
Did he say combined 15mpg 😮and that was “pretty good”
The computer says 15mpg but In reality it’s 16-17+mpg combined which is really good. My 5th gen 4Runner had the same wheel set up and the same weight, 4.88 gears and I was averaging 11-12mpg
on 35" , 15 mpg !! pho-Sure, with that tiny engine & turbo at full boost that engine & turbo is dead at 80,000??? (running that hot, better change oil at 3000-4000 & go to a slight thicker oil) I think you need to vent the hood and add a huge radiator & fan / vent that turbo (add a turbo timer) and add a trans/diff/engine oil cooler ( I have an old 87 pickup 4x4 22r, 2004 awd mini van, 97 corolla, 11 awd 3.5v6 rav4, soo a huge Toyo Fan, few other vw turbo stuff ), I hope the engine and trans last on 35" tires , I hope to buy the new 2025 4Runner
rest in peace tacoma
? It’s not gone, it’s just better now
Rest in pieces
@@ghosted_trd nah, its gone.......replaced by a mall crawler
@@billw8476ok bud 😄👍🏽
@@ghosted_trdweak sauce 4 banger < 6 cylinder.
Engine needs to breathe a little better and provide extra cooling to the air flowing and you are solid. Cheers guys!
But Sheldon said they have super duper extra large cooling solution so you're good
With the MPG is that based off the truck computer? Or is that from actual miles logged? If it’s the computer calculating the MPG is the speedometer adjusted for the 35in tires or is it still off a bit? Love the truck man it’s Badass!!
I would imagine the hybrid will be better. On a side note. I'm curious what GM did differently to not have this problem.
Why would it be better?
@@Jeepingshort since the hybrid makes way more torque it could cut down on the stress and run cooler.
The hybrid portion not gonna help much it's a tiny battery meant to help you get off the line or provide temporary boost. It isn't built for sustained performance which is pretty obvious given the size of the battery. In straight line driving with no load that battery would last about a mile before you'd be back to relying on your turbo 4 banger with a heavy hybrid system attached.
That hybrid garbage is just potential problem down the road. In reality brings nothing tonthe table.
I this that roof rack and add ons has something to do with the over heating . Your fine with just 35s
What Toyota should of done is a dual 4 cylinder turbo... the extra motor could have been used to expend on all that heat and toque into zen fruition.
Like I said before, no hate here just what's obvious.
The 4 banger (cylinder) the turbo is gonna have expediently more pressure with less dissipation causing increase heat on engine wear.
Y’all ever think maybe going with the less sexy 295/70/18 might work out better? Easily 10lb less per tire
Also, do you have the hybrid?
@@davidheaton6206no, just the regular non hybrid powertrain
This is what I thought would happen the first time I heard 4-cylinder and a turbo. This engine is going to be toast, IF your an overlander. The turbo will go first though. If you keep it stock and drive it like a car, it will be fine. We all in this community have spent 6 years maxing out our 1ft, 2nd, and 3rd gen Tacos. And as I look at this guy's rig this thing is probably 1000 pounds lighter than my 2018 3rd gen on 37s with an off-road camper on the back and all the bells and whistles that go along with off-roading an overlanding. When it came to buying a 24. I wanted to wait to see how this engine holds up against the worst we overlanders can through at these trucks. These over weighted rigs are about to face there first real test. and that is a summer wheeling in Utha, Arizona, New Mexico, California, And Texas. If this thing is overheating in the snow. what the hell is it going to do in 100 pulse temps of the West and South of America. I give it 2 years before we start really hearing about these truck's engine giving up where 1, 2, and 3 gens breezed through. We are asking for more from engine built to do less. You can through all the turbos you want on these things. All that does is shortens their lives. Remember It's not about year 1, or year 2. Its about year 5 and beyond. Because I'm Still running my old 2nd gen on 40's for rock crawling and its siting at over 200K.
It’s very common for transmissions to overheat while off-roading, the 3rd gen’s do it and probably other generation. You can’t tell unless you have a gauge connected to your OBD2. My buddies 3rd gen (37s, 5.29 gears, supercharger) gets hot, mine is easier to manage.
@@ghosted_trd Slow going on the trails. Its unavoidable. BUT. He's talking about transmission overheat on the freeway, and turbo max spooling continuously. He's not even talking about off-roading yet. This is just daily driving on the freeway. The turbo can't keep doing this for your whole trip on a long highway trip. It will fail.
@@michaelfincham2749 That's his truck lol
@@michaelfincham2749 I should’ve specified in the video, the transmission only overheats on the trail. (Going up steep grades in 4HI at low speeds still having the trans in drive instead of 1-2 gear). The temps do just fine daily driving and on the freeway, the oil temp goes up 1-2 bars on the freeway
Really it just shows Toyota's ignorance. They know how people build up these trucks and they should have put the 3.4L from the Tundra in it. The engine has 40% more displacement and 2 extra cylinders and would be under far less stress.
My 2014 F150 3.5L Ecoboost was 6400 lbs empty and was on 35's and got the same or better MPG's then they were saying this Tacoma got.
Toyota will fix it. This is the guinea pig years for both the tundra and Tacoma. Once they get all that feedback done they will switch up the build process on future model years. They spent a shit ton of money in designing these trucks they’ll perfect it over time
@@Teacher659 yeah I can’t say I can justify the price either at this time. But ya every Toyota first run of a new generation has had its gremlins. But Toyota will fix it and perfect in the next couple years of releases.
They’ve done this with absolutely every vehicle. I just hope the people who bought now are being taken care of by dealerships to fix the gremlins
@@Teacher659You realize thats every car ever made? Thats why everyone says NOT to buy a first year production model.