$10k+ more at the minimum for the Toyota? Use the $10k to get better accessories for the Ranger and it surpasses the Tacoma. Also the front locker on the Ranger alone is worth at least $2k after market install. Ranger Raptor all day long.
@@NomenClature-o8s - I've seen all the recent videos about the newer Toyota releases this past year. Engines needing replacements, Tacoma lacking front bump-stops and breaking top-hat shock mount, even TFLs first outing of the Tacoma breaking a front diff on a little rock and Toyota claiming its "designed to fail". Go peruse UA-cam and search "24 Tacoma breaks" to see the myriad of newer overpriced Toyota junk. Stop being a Toyota keyboard warrior. You get no prizes man, let it go.
@@NomenClature-o8s - reviews are based on older gen Toyotas. These new ones are a lot less reliable and overpriced based on its legacy of reliability. Too many issues out the gate with the line of 2024 new model Toyotas..
Ford also just came out with an available tune for the Ranger and Bronco Raptors that boosts the output of the 3.0 TT V6 to 455hp and 536lb-ft of torque for only $825, which is a massive gain in torque and a noticeable increase in horsepower for very little money, especially since it doesn’t affect the warranty.
It's so wonderful to see the next generation of reviewers carrying on the TFL legacy. Passing down the torch of automotive enthusiasm is truly inspiring!
That looked like it was a lot of fun! I like the Taco's Aux features, but I'd have to go with Ranger Raptor between the two; it just seems like a better package. Thanks, gents!
I will take the Ranger because it has better tech, suspension with the live valve 2.0 Fox Shocks, more back seat leg room, & it’s $12k less expensive than the Trail Hunter
@@adrianhosein7698 I think the toyota so far has a bad record with both auto/manual transmissions along with it diff. breaking in the other truck. The ford zero problems.
The live Valve is huge, I wish Toyota did that. But the Trailhunter has a Pure Sine 2400w inverter, air compressor and metal number and armor. Ranger is comparable to a PRO, they aren’t made to go where the Trailhunter does.
I’d take the Ranger all day. Cheaper and it’s a v6 making some good power. Hard to beat that IMO. Not having a locker on the Tacoma is a big mistake for a truck called the “trail hunter”.
ZR2 will absolutely manhandle the Tacoma. Chevy/GMC & Ford 🇺🇸 are now the top tier of the midsize segment. Toyota 🇲🇽🇯🇵 is dead last based on value or tied with Nissan if price is not factored.
I don't *want* things like powered tailgates--just more expensive parts to fail. Kind of the same thing with stuff like the bed side lights. Why? The Toyota's frame-mounted rock rails are fundamentally better, the compressor is a really nice feature, and the high output electrical could be useful (IF it doesn't add too much weight). I like the tailpipe location better too. But overall, I'll take the Raptor's capability and comfort every day of the week...and that's not even considering the sizeable price difference. It's strange to call any $58k vehicle a bargain, but compared to all the competition...it definitely is.
Exactly. I know it's their job to point out differences, but I feel automotive journalists amplify the idea that these features are wanted over affordable prices.
agreed on the power tailgate. its just annoying and in the way. put some stout hinges and call it good. but the bed side lighting is super handy in the dark, doesnt really add complication and if it goes bad just change a bulb out.
Congrats on this video! You went right into the action without going into repeated explanations about the equipment, location, trip to get there etc etc
It says it unlocks but it does not actually disengage under load like the Bronco system. I just find it stupid that Ford will put the disconnect on a base model Bronco with sasquatch pack but won't put it on the top dog Raptor...
I feel like the fact that the desert running truck beat the trail trim truck at the first obstacle is quite telling. That front locker was no joke. Combined with the powertrain and price difference... I'd have the ranger for overall capability. We'll see if this Tacoma has the same durability as the past tho!
Ford all the way. First get rid of the side steps for frame mounted sliders and relocate the tail pipes. After that, whatever floats your boat. I will say the Tacoma is a really good looking truck as shown in this video.
The 2024 Ford Ranger Raptor has a starting price of around $55,000. The Toyota Tacoma Trailhunter is priced at $65,000, which seems overpriced. Excellent comparison. Great Video!
Thanks guys. You helped me decide to go for the Ranger Raptor to replace my '15 Tacoma. I'm currently waiting for the bed reinforcement to be installed before I finish the purchase. 1-1/2 weeks so far...
Yeah and also those internal bumps stops with the cheapo two piece cast aluminum top hats about ready to blow up into a million pieces. You also forgot the lack of proper transmission cooler and the rear differential is also heating up ready to explode. Lets face it, Toyota never intended for people to actually use their Trail hunter. They expect them to be crawling malls. I can assure you the engineers were sweating beads on this one.
@@Enchanted3DPrints Toyota is pretty well known for voiding warrantees, and their docs do say using a vehicle offroad (Which includes race tracks) will void the warranty. Take the GR86 for instance, there is an issue with oiling on hard right hand corners on a race track. If you blow the engine for this, Toyota will do their best to refuse replacing the engine. However, if you have a Subaru BRZ (same car), and this issue happens, they will replace the engine without any fuss.
Tommy, I would be willing to bet that the Bronco Raptor transmission skid plate would fit the Ranger Raptor. It would be a great way to protect those rails and the plastic transmission pan from damage.
Biggest thing they have to fix ASAP is using a stronger steel top hat instead of that chessy cast aluminum one that blows up with the shock busting into the wheel wheel. Such a horrible design. Better yet use a frame mounted one like they have been doing for DECADES. Also need to use a proper transmission inter cooler to avoid the diff overheating. Not all impressed with that 8 speed either. Many getting that "hard shifting" or total transmission failure that can only be fixed with a new transmission. Even if this truck was priced competitively I would not buy it. Very suspect reliability. Then they hike the prices far above the competition and it makes my decision really easy. Raptor if you can find one at MSRP. Otherwise ZR2 all day long. I also prefer the multimatic suspension. Best riding off roader on tar sealed roads.
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I’m a Toyota fan boy and I would even say the Ranger. Getting so much capability for a cheaper price. If this truck was around the price of the Ranger we would have different convo
@2011buddylee My RR is in the production line, so I hope to receive it very soon. I've never test drive zr2 or at4 and decided to go with RR. What made you to order RR instead of zr2 after test drive?
I get it, but... the case could be made that it's not a Boulder Garden Hunter, it's a Trailhunter. My Gladiator Mojave does awesome without a front locker thanks to traction control and Toyota has an excellent BLD system. It's really not that big a loss.
I love how you guys take these vehicles on real hard core off road trails to test them out. That’s why I always turn to TFL when shopping for vehicles or learning about vehicles just for fun. Thank you for all the real world information!
@@YAOZYVIDEO but not really reliable and functional. everything has gone electronic trickery versus just how they used to do things with mechanical like the old land cruisers.
@@KingLuis1985not to be a total Toyota apologist. But it's really not that bad... Yes the tacos and the tundras have had some issues. It's not nothing and it's sad to see. But it's also the first year for those models and they are basically from the ground up new vehicles. And the rest of their lineup is totally fine? For every tundra with bad main bearings, there's probably 10,000 rav4s and Corollas running like wood burning stoves. They are definitely having some issues, but I still be more confident buying a Toyota than any domestic brand. Look at stilantes, I'll be surprised if they're still around in 5 years. At least still structured how they are now.
@@DampNoodles They are underbuilt and we already know why. They moved from a frame mounted bump stop to a cheaper internal one mounted on shock. But it gets worse. They use a two piece cast aluminum top hat that have been exploding with the shock busting right up into the wheel well. I guarantee they will rework that in 2025. Other huge problem is no proper external transmission cooler. You work this hard off road the rear diff will overheat. Also many more reports of hard shifting and complete transmission failures. Engineer already saying they will have to limit the torque to wheels on auto traction control to avoid what happened to TFL front differential breaking. These trucks are under built compared to the prior gens. This we already know from the failures and the changes they made in the underpinnings. Toyota probably figures most will crawl malls. If you want to off road put an external trans cooler and steel top hats at the bare minimum. I would also avoid 33's or 35's on the taco. The suspension is just not going to handle that.
Im a Tacoma owner and driver, that Ford Ranger Raptor looks alright for sure. But we'll wait for the long term quality report on this truck a year or two from now.
Raptor in a second. Costs less, front locker, fox shocks, 4 auto. Did all the Toyota did with ease, granted better tires but easily minus that advantage with damp/wet conditions for only the Ford. Bed side lights and power up tailgate is something I have NEVER needed or wished for on my truck.
I just don't know how they put together a "trail hunter" rock crawler without a front diff lock, especially that all its midsize competition has them in the top spec offroad trims. Also I think the Toyota is overstyled. Way too many silly angles and shapes. The Raptor looks so much better.
They aren't talking about the $10-15k Toyota Dealership markup on these Tacomas and the Trasmissions going bad already. I am a Tacoma Fan boy, but I have to say, for the money, with the Raptor HP/Torque factory tune, it has it beat.
Toyota built a cheaper truck and threw some bolt on parts and didn’t think we would notice all the epic failures they made with the New 2024 Toyota Tacoma. Screw you Toyota. Greedy bastards.
Me too! Hahaha. I am waiting for multiple mechanical and cosmetic components to break and fall off with this new Toyota Tacoma. Let them Rot on the Lot!
People keep talking about the price BUT Toyotas have always been high. All they did was give you the option to add everything you would do anyways. And it’s done from the factory so props to them for that.
This may sound nit picky but I would not buy a vehicle that had a range that the Tacoma has, what you said 285 miles? That is crazy, my truck with a 36 gallon tank will go over 700 miles with regular driving, 800+ if I put an effort into it. Heck when my remaining range drops below 200 miles I typically fuel up, having put 500 miles on the tank already.
You could carry extra gas. Most serious off roaders/overlanders do but i do agree another 10 gallons added to the size would be nice. 300 miles of range is more than enough for most to do what they need to do before finding another gas station though
both are good trucks. if you want value for money go Ranger Raptor. You want power? hands down Ranger Raptor. are you going to race from a stoplight? RR it is. Reliability wise? all goes down how you maintain your truck. Tacoma is dual injection (port and direct) Ranger Raptor is direct only (better put oil catch can from day 1 to make it reliable or do not put catch can and walnut blast the intake ports at 50k 60k 70k 80k miles) who knows. Tacoma is now suffering transmission issues on 4th gens. Is the dreaded Cam phaser rattle still an issue with the 3.0 EB? lets wait 3 years and see who is on top of the game. I would love to own both. Let's see the sales figure and reliability ratings after 3 years, maybe that's the time I would buy one. Still loving my 18' 4runner, at 6 years and 80k miles with no issues and no monthly payments. She still runs like when I drove her off the lot.
As much of a Toyota guy as I am Id still take the Ranger. You can get the Ranger for about 10k less, reliability is probably about the same or maybe better on the Ranger, a steel bed and the Ranger just looks so much more mature. The more 4th gen Tacos I see in person the less I like the overly edgy styling.
@@n118nw not trying to discredit you but just trying to pick your brain. Have you used the k02s before you tried the k03s if so did you notice a big difference? I'm curious because my k02s are at the end of their life and I'm going to pick up the HD terrains or the k03s next.
Normally I see a 20+ minutes video (let alone 36!) and pass… but Tommy and Case, you guys made one of the best TFL vids to date! Thoroughly enjoyed the whole thing! For a future video idea it might be fun to have a “normal” truck along. This was like watching two olympians do battle, be interesting to see how a normal vehicle would compare.
Are you guys going to get that new Ford performance tune Ford released yesterday. It’s a Ford dealer installed performance tune that bumps the Ranger Raptor up 50Hp and 100 lbs of torque. Ranger Raptor: Torque jumps from 430 to 536 lb.-ft., while horsepower increases from 405 to 455. I think Ford is charging something like $800 for it. Would love to see a lot of the Ranger Raptor test or re-test with that performance tune. It’s already the power king in the class. This tune should really take it to yet another level.
I’m going with the Tacoma, it’s more money but it offers more factory installed accessories for the cost. The front locker in the Ranger is great, but crawl control has its own benefits that the locker does not.
For the first time I don’t think there’s enough data to say the Toyota is more reliable than the Ford. Excited to see how both of these hold up over the years.
Why a front locker isn't offered as a factory option for the Taco at this point is beyond me. Espeically in the TH model which is said to be showcasing Toyo's off-road capability. Both Ford and GMC/Chevy got it right there.
Is the ford ranger the new mid size king ? It seems that of the off road version of the mid size trucks now the ford ranger raptor the best truck for the money and the most all around capable mid size truck .
Love both of those trucks. Am deciding between the 2. I'm an old spaz about wanting a manual option, but after watching this video, I'm not sure how the clutch would hold up. Also, I'd rather have a V6 natually aspirated option even though the twin turbo sounds cool. Thank you for adding the comment about not being able to manage that trail in a full-sized truck. Yeah. not happening or you guys would have scratched the heck out of the paint. Overall, I'd go Ford (functional back seat, too)- even though I'd love a manual option. Thanks, guy. Loved this video.Great job.
100% Agree with your final assessment. The Raptor (minus the stupid camper and side steps)wins in my book. BTW, @22:00 minutes in, I was in a similar roll situation where I was so far over on the drivers side, I could literally and did, put my hand out the window and touch the ground.(1986.5 Nissan Hardbody SEV6 4x4) And that while fun, was very concerning. Unfortunately, that was back in the day when we did not have phone cameras and my back up rig was at the bottom of the V notch a good 4 hundred yards away. I don't know what kept it from rolling completely over, other than I had just the right amount of everything working in my favor. lol
TrailHunter...no front locker, has a 4 cylinder, comes with crappy tires and is almost $10k more than the Raptor. Who in the Hell would choose this junk over the Raptor? 🤣🤣🤣
Thanks guys, this was an awesome video. You put those trucks through their paces, and that is what I was looking for - the defining factor that gives one an edge here or there. You guys did an amazing job of keeping those trucks looking nice through some rough terrain though. That has to be tough. If it's mine, I could live with a scrape here or there. But it's totally different when it's not yours LOL. My takeaway is this: Ranger Raptor. Two main factors. 1. Money. 2. While I like the look of the Trailhunter, I have sat in the new Tacoma. The combination of the super raked windshield combined with the super high dash plus overstyled interior makes for a very small cabin. The shame of it is, there's really no reason for it other than maybe a MPG bump for the angle of windshield.
"The truck is telling me we have a trailer." "I'm pretty sure we don't but i could be wrong" LOL That was great.
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$10k+ more at the minimum for the Toyota? Use the $10k to get better accessories for the Ranger and it surpasses the Tacoma. Also the front locker on the Ranger alone is worth at least $2k after market install. Ranger Raptor all day long.
And JD Powers rated Ford as 18th in reliability in major brands.
Now tell us how bad you hate JD Powers.
@@NomenClature-o8s - I've seen all the recent videos about the newer Toyota releases this past year. Engines needing replacements, Tacoma lacking front bump-stops and breaking top-hat shock mount, even TFLs first outing of the Tacoma breaking a front diff on a little rock and Toyota claiming its "designed to fail". Go peruse UA-cam and search "24 Tacoma breaks" to see the myriad of newer overpriced Toyota junk. Stop being a Toyota keyboard warrior. You get no prizes man, let it go.
@@NomenClature-o8s - reviews are based on older gen Toyotas. These new ones are a lot less reliable and overpriced based on its legacy of reliability. Too many issues out the gate with the line of 2024 new model Toyotas..
@@j4yp3r It’s a 2023 report. Very recent. It’s the old “yeah but the news ones are bad” excuse.
@@j4yp3r Nope, the JD Powers review was 2023. Very recent. Ford is the industry leader in 2024 recalls.
Ford also just came out with an available tune for the Ranger and Bronco Raptors that boosts the output of the 3.0 TT V6 to 455hp and 536lb-ft of torque for only $825, which is a massive gain in torque and a noticeable increase in horsepower for very little money, especially since it doesn’t affect the warranty.
On paper that's more than stock F150 Raptor. Impressive.
That tune also changes the transmission shifting and allows bigger tires to be calibrated
It’s gonna be a rocket!
@@2011buddylee Thats my concern on my Braptor. I want it, but I also purchased a 125k warranty that I don't want to lose.
Where can I get the tune?
It's so wonderful to see the next generation of reviewers carrying on the TFL legacy. Passing down the torch of automotive enthusiasm is truly inspiring!
That looked like it was a lot of fun! I like the Taco's Aux features, but I'd have to go with Ranger Raptor between the two; it just seems like a better package. Thanks, gents!
I will take the Ranger because it has better tech, suspension with the live valve 2.0 Fox Shocks, more back seat leg room, & it’s $12k less expensive than the Trail Hunter
Give it 5 years, that Ford will be broken beyond repair 😂😂
@@adrianhosein7698 Unfortunately same with the new Toyota, old Toyota would smoke both of these.
@@adrianhosein7698 I think the toyota so far has a bad record with both auto/manual transmissions along with it diff. breaking in the other truck. The ford zero problems.
The live Valve is huge, I wish Toyota did that. But the Trailhunter has a Pure Sine 2400w inverter, air compressor and metal number and armor. Ranger is comparable to a PRO, they aren’t made to go where the Trailhunter does.
Agree 👍🏻
I’d take the Ranger all day. Cheaper and it’s a v6 making some good power. Hard to beat that IMO. Not having a locker on the Tacoma is a big mistake for a truck called the “trail hunter”.
Yeah the Ranger Raptor has been proven worldwide even in rural jungles in SE Asia. Took a while to come to North America.
@@jeffrey88888😆😆😆
yota nation has been begging for a front locker since 06. Toyota: "naw, but here's your air compressor"
@@JerryRichards-l1d so true!
Yes, but the guy made several call outs for mods that makes the price issue a wash once you'd do them
Tacoma Fan Boy here. I bought a 2006 taco Off Road in 2005. I just bought a 23 Taco Off Road. I would trade the taco for the Raptor in a heart beat
Then why did you buy a taco??
@@mattwaldo4500 14 months ago
@@mattwaldo4500 Because the Ranger Raptor was not out and 55+ is a bit steep. I got my Taco for 41K
@@TroutandTacos😂
why would you buy the 23 over the 24. 24 is so much more refined
Crawl control eventually worked, but no comparison to selectable lockers
lol.... its a much better system overall
@carholic-sz3qv no it isn't. The video showed that, but tell yourself whatever helps you sleep better
@shiftmotorsports9803 Atrac on Toyotas is what does the job of a front locker. Crawl control is for rookies that let the car drive itself.
@jcurbin305 same difference. Traction control is no comparison to a real selectable locker. Less drama and more driver control
Tommy and Kase did a wonderful job on this video
Thanks for the correct spelling....Tommy's at least JK
Kase's name is correct with a K, no?
@@anthonyc1883 Yes, it's KASE, Not Case.
Are they boyfriends?
@@ryanb6658no...
I would love to see the Colorado ZR2 in the mix with those two also.
The ZR2 has already been through there. It made it easy….way easier than the Tacoma. But I think they put the front lockers on
@Getusom now they should bring the desert boss up it though
@@uh60ce1 desert boss? Who makes that? Ram?
ZR2 will absolutely manhandle the Tacoma. Chevy/GMC & Ford 🇺🇸 are now the top tier of the midsize segment.
Toyota 🇲🇽🇯🇵 is dead last based on value or tied with Nissan if price is not factored.
@@krasnaludek298 you forgot about jeep…the best of the best
Great to see you guys putting these trucks to the test. It is way more than what the general consumer would be doing but it's good to know the limit.
I don't *want* things like powered tailgates--just more expensive parts to fail. Kind of the same thing with stuff like the bed side lights. Why? The Toyota's frame-mounted rock rails are fundamentally better, the compressor is a really nice feature, and the high output electrical could be useful (IF it doesn't add too much weight). I like the tailpipe location better too. But overall, I'll take the Raptor's capability and comfort every day of the week...and that's not even considering the sizeable price difference. It's strange to call any $58k vehicle a bargain, but compared to all the competition...it definitely is.
Exactly. I know it's their job to point out differences, but I feel automotive journalists amplify the idea that these features are wanted over affordable prices.
agreed on the power tailgate. its just annoying and in the way. put some stout hinges and call it good. but the bed side lighting is super handy in the dark, doesnt really add complication and if it goes bad just change a bulb out.
Bruh just buy a 70 series Land Cruiser and call it a day what’s the point of complaining about technologically advanced trucks
Bottom line, Ranger Raptor wins!👍
Yes !!
Glad you guys left Roman at home. He would have complained the whole time as soon as skid plates touch rocks. lol 😂
Yeah roman is old news, they need to retire him already
I think you could hear him laugh in the background when the Tacoma leaned the other way on the first rock
Baby boomers that's what they do complain and complain I hate baby boomers
YES @@V8orNoCar
Great comparison video guys!
Congrats on this video! You went right into the action without going into repeated explanations about the equipment, location, trip to get there etc etc
That sway bar dissconect looked to do nothing at all mabe wasnt working
Other videos have shown it needs to be unloaded before disconnect. Maybe it was stuck?
It says it unlocks but it does not actually disengage under load like the Bronco system.
I just find it stupid that Ford will put the disconnect on a base model Bronco with sasquatch pack but won't put it on the top dog Raptor...
Its just really well damped. It moved slowly.
You can also tell how much the ranger bounces more then the yota.
Ford = chinese garbage
@@lonerider5315 how much of the Ford is made in China?
@@NomenClature-o8s230%
Trail hunter without a front locker isnt much of Trail hunter..
Gimmick hunter
Agreed, and the Pro has some lame seats instead of a front locker. Toyota failed.
mostly mall hunter
That's what I was thinking. Plus the tires aren't as aggressive for being a "trail hunter".
thats what she said lol...
I feel like the fact that the desert running truck beat the trail trim truck at the first obstacle is quite telling. That front locker was no joke. Combined with the powertrain and price difference... I'd have the ranger for overall capability. We'll see if this Tacoma has the same durability as the past tho!
Yes interested to see desert versions
He did call out for a few mods which makes price a wash. Sliders, bumper etc
@@metbear3 ah I missed that skipping though, makes sense as those are kinda important if you are serious about wheeling
Ford all the way. First get rid of the side steps for frame mounted sliders and relocate the tail pipes. After that, whatever floats your boat. I will say the Tacoma is a really good looking truck as shown in this video.
Nice editing guys. I like how you go back and forth between the two trucks at each obstacle
Glad you liked it!
@@TFLoffroad Is TLF going to get the $825 tune from Ford for the Ranger Raptor? It is supposed to increase the power to 455hp and 536lbf.
The 2024 Ford Ranger Raptor has a starting price of around $55,000. The Toyota Tacoma Trailhunter is priced at $65,000, which seems overpriced. Excellent comparison. Great Video!
4Runner?
The bean counters at Toyota are destroying their brand with cost cutting. I’ll take the Raptor!
Cost cutting where it hurts quality but adding overpriced frivolous options.
@@jimhanle2971 enjoy the Ford. It rated 18th and reliability by JD Powers survey.
@@lucwilson1 speaking of quality Ford is number one in recalls for 2024
@@NomenClature-o8sThats better then most other companies who sweep their safety problems under the rug 😂
@@waterloo123100 Nice gaslighting
Thanks guys. You helped me decide to go for the Ranger Raptor to replace my '15 Tacoma. I'm currently waiting for the bed reinforcement to be installed before I finish the purchase. 1-1/2 weeks so far...
I could hear those Toyota tie rods screaming for mercy lol
Yeah and also those internal bumps stops with the cheapo two piece cast aluminum top hats about ready to blow up into a million pieces. You also forgot the lack of proper transmission cooler and the rear differential is also heating up ready to explode. Lets face it, Toyota never intended for people to actually use their Trail hunter. They expect them to be crawling malls. I can assure you the engineers were sweating beads on this one.
@HiPlains1 If you read the fine print, Toyota says driving your truck offroad voids the warranty
@@teddonley9594 It does not lol
@Enchanted3DPrints Look on their warranty website. I was amazed at how they continue to suck money from their customers
@@Enchanted3DPrints Toyota is pretty well known for voiding warrantees, and their docs do say using a vehicle offroad (Which includes race tracks) will void the warranty. Take the GR86 for instance, there is an issue with oiling on hard right hand corners on a race track. If you blow the engine for this, Toyota will do their best to refuse replacing the engine. However, if you have a Subaru BRZ (same car), and this issue happens, they will replace the engine without any fuss.
Tommy, I would be willing to bet that the Bronco Raptor transmission skid plate would fit the Ranger Raptor. It would be a great way to protect those rails and the plastic transmission pan from damage.
I was a Toyota guy all my life until recently when theyre all i4 turbos. Ranger ftw, v6 turbos!
Ford is offering the 2.7L now!
@@anthonys7534 Excellent! The 2.7 is powerful and reliable!
I’m a huge Toyota fanboy. But Toyota has failed with their Tundra and Tacoma! I like the Ranger better!
Biggest thing they have to fix ASAP is using a stronger steel top hat instead of that chessy cast aluminum one that blows up with the shock busting into the wheel wheel. Such a horrible design. Better yet use a frame mounted one like they have been doing for DECADES. Also need to use a proper transmission inter cooler to avoid the diff overheating. Not all impressed with that 8 speed either. Many getting that "hard shifting" or total transmission failure that can only be fixed with a new transmission. Even if this truck was priced competitively I would not buy it. Very suspect reliability. Then they hike the prices far above the competition and it makes my decision really easy. Raptor if you can find one at MSRP. Otherwise ZR2 all day long. I also prefer the multimatic suspension. Best riding off roader on tar sealed roads.
@@HiPlains1 yeah I agree. The ZR2 is a lot of truck for the money and IMO looks better than the Ford.
💯 agree. The Nissan Frontier is also a really well built truck.
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I’m a Toyota fan boy and I would even say the Ranger. Getting so much capability for a cheaper price. If this truck was around the price of the Ranger we would have different convo
Toyota is damn good lookin though😮
Out of the box, the Raptor needs mods that would make the price less of an issue
IF you intend to rock crawl
the ranger also has a usable back seat
That back seat on the Tacoma is not usable and useless. Another epic fail by Toyota.
Great work on this video guys! I'm taking the Ranger over the TrailHunter. It has better shocks, front locker, and a steel front bumper.
You guys are the best in the business. Absolutely love these videos! Thanks as always.
Wow, thanks!
Raptor doesn’t seem like rock crawling was the primary intention, rather more like a Baja style driving, but seemed capable enough for the money. ✌🏼
THIS is the team! THIS is why I watch TFL. Thank you guys! (Lose the running boards 😂)
New taco is a rippoff. Tis why I canceled my trd pro allocation and bought the raptor.
Smart man. Prices on the new Yotas are out of control!
@2011buddylee My RR is in the production line, so I hope to receive it very soon. I've never test drive zr2 or at4 and decided to go with RR. What made you to order RR instead of zr2 after test drive?
They act like it has a V6 with these prices
Ranger raptor all the way.
Maybe with all the ARB branded stuff on the Tacoma ARB could introduce the concept of a front locker to Toyota!!
The sway bar on the first obstacle didn’t disconnect. It doesn’t disconnect when you’re articulated.
Right? Its just the computer lying.
Nice to see you guys going “Michael Jackson” on these truck and just beat it.
Of all the things Toyota gave the "Trail Hunter" they leave off a front locker...
I get it, but... the case could be made that it's not a Boulder Garden Hunter, it's a Trailhunter. My Gladiator Mojave does awesome without a front locker thanks to traction control and Toyota has an excellent BLD system. It's really not that big a loss.
The Rager could have cleared that obstacle 3 times I the time it took the Tacoma .
Great to know where we need to beef up a Raptor. Thanks!
I love how you guys take these vehicles on real hard core off road trails to test them out. That’s why I always turn to TFL when shopping for vehicles or learning about vehicles just for fun. Thank you for all the real world information!
Toyota has lost its way. They used to make reliable, functional, affordable vehicles for the middle class. What a shame.
What do you mean? They are still making cars for middle class.
@@YAOZYVIDEO but not really reliable and functional. everything has gone electronic trickery versus just how they used to do things with mechanical like the old land cruisers.
@@KingLuis1985not to be a total Toyota apologist.
But it's really not that bad... Yes the tacos and the tundras have had some issues. It's not nothing and it's sad to see. But it's also the first year for those models and they are basically from the ground up new vehicles. And the rest of their lineup is totally fine? For every tundra with bad main bearings, there's probably 10,000 rav4s and Corollas running like wood burning stoves.
They are definitely having some issues, but I still be more confident buying a Toyota than any domestic brand. Look at stilantes, I'll be surprised if they're still around in 5 years. At least still structured how they are now.
@@DampNoodles They are underbuilt and we already know why. They moved from a frame mounted bump stop to a cheaper internal one mounted on shock. But it gets worse. They use a two piece cast aluminum top hat that have been exploding with the shock busting right up into the wheel well. I guarantee they will rework that in 2025. Other huge problem is no proper external transmission cooler. You work this hard off road the rear diff will overheat. Also many more reports of hard shifting and complete transmission failures. Engineer already saying they will have to limit the torque to wheels on auto traction control to avoid what happened to TFL front differential breaking. These trucks are under built compared to the prior gens. This we already know from the failures and the changes they made in the underpinnings. Toyota probably figures most will crawl malls. If you want to off road put an external trans cooler and steel top hats at the bare minimum. I would also avoid 33's or 35's on the taco. The suspension is just not going to handle that.
@@HiPlains1would still buy it over any ford or Chevy or ram, Toyota will fix the issues quickly and after 10 years it'll still be running.
Im a Tacoma owner and driver, that Ford Ranger Raptor looks alright for sure. But we'll wait for the long term quality report on this truck a year or two from now.
only mids care about longevity, this is a review about truck capabilities and performance, the tacoma loses on most fronts at a more expensive price
Raptor in a second. Costs less, front locker, fox shocks, 4 auto. Did all the Toyota did with ease, granted better tires but easily minus that advantage with damp/wet conditions for only the Ford. Bed side lights and power up tailgate is something I have NEVER needed or wished for on my truck.
Ford Raptor the between the two better package thanks Case and Tommy
I just don't know how they put together a "trail hunter" rock crawler without a front diff lock, especially that all its midsize competition has them in the top spec offroad trims.
Also I think the Toyota is overstyled. Way too many silly angles and shapes. The Raptor looks so much better.
Personally I think the Raptor just looks like a plain old ford pickup. Not a bad thing, but not very distinctive.
Disagree hard, Toyota looks waaaayyy better than the raptor.
@@fritty9927Plain ages better I wish more companies made simpler designs. Now they just rip off looks from each other.
@@waterloo123100 true
A $65k mid sized truck designed for rock crawling and it comes without a front locker standard? Damn.
Great video gents! I’m going with the Ranger as well.
They aren't talking about the $10-15k Toyota Dealership markup on these Tacomas and the Trasmissions going bad already. I am a Tacoma Fan boy, but I have to say, for the money, with the Raptor HP/Torque factory tune, it has it beat.
Ranger. No question.
Is Toyota serious with the price of this truck, over $60k??
You bet your ass their serious
More like $70k. Probably $75k out of the door.
Id rather buy gmc sierra with that price
Toyota built a cheaper truck and threw some bolt on parts and didn’t think we would notice all the epic failures they made with the New 2024 Toyota Tacoma. Screw you Toyota. Greedy bastards.
Damn. That roll angle was a butt clencher.
I just put BFG KO3's on my 2018 Ford F150 (275x70r18) and am pretty happy with them so far.
5:08 was waiting for that front diff to break! 😂
Me too! Hahaha. I am waiting for multiple mechanical and cosmetic components to break and fall off with this new Toyota Tacoma. Let them Rot on the Lot!
Both truck are great! But in own class is Raptor and and everyone else.👍
Damn fords high speed Baja truck beat Toyotas “rock crawler” that’s saying something. Or at least it used to.
How did it beat it
@@flight2k5 did you not watch
@@paulwatson4189 yea the Tacoma went everywhere the raptor did 😂🤣
@@flight2k5 that’s what they said. But it beats it in price and powertrain 4Auto stuff like that
@@keithhunt3437 ooohhh 4auto. Wow.
Glad to see some real wheeling these days on the channel!
People keep talking about the price BUT Toyotas have always been high. All they did was give you the option to add everything you would do anyways. And it’s done from the factory so props to them for that.
I loved that you were not as afraid as Roman to scratch or have some small damage to the trucks
This may sound nit picky but I would not buy a vehicle that had a range that the Tacoma has, what you said 285 miles? That is crazy, my truck with a 36 gallon tank will go over 700 miles with regular driving, 800+ if I put an effort into it. Heck when my remaining range drops below 200 miles I typically fuel up, having put 500 miles on the tank already.
Could he have said 250 miles? Even worse! Or perhaps I mis-heard.
You could carry extra gas. Most serious off roaders/overlanders do but i do agree another 10 gallons added to the size would be nice. 300 miles of range is more than enough for most to do what they need to do before finding another gas station though
both are good trucks. if you want value for money go Ranger Raptor. You want power? hands down Ranger Raptor. are you going to race from a stoplight? RR it is. Reliability wise? all goes down how you maintain your truck. Tacoma is dual injection (port and direct) Ranger Raptor is direct only (better put oil catch can from day 1 to make it reliable or do not put catch can and walnut blast the intake ports at 50k 60k 70k 80k miles) who knows. Tacoma is now suffering transmission issues on 4th gens. Is the dreaded Cam phaser rattle still an issue with the 3.0 EB? lets wait 3 years and see who is on top of the game. I would love to own both. Let's see the sales figure and reliability ratings after 3 years, maybe that's the time I would buy one. Still loving my 18' 4runner, at 6 years and 80k miles with no issues and no monthly payments. She still runs like when I drove her off the lot.
When you disconnected the swaybar in the Tacoma, I couldn’t detect the slightest bit difference in the video. Are you sure it disconnected?
Another viewer commented that it won't disconnect when it is already articulated.
As much of a Toyota guy as I am Id still take the Ranger. You can get the Ranger for about 10k less, reliability is probably about the same or maybe better on the Ranger, a steel bed and the Ranger just looks so much more mature. The more 4th gen Tacos I see in person the less I like the overly edgy styling.
Never thought I'd say this about an Ecoboost engine but that Ranger sounds worlds better than the Taco.
The colorado I4 Turbo also sounds like a pile of crap. I test drove one and was actually semi concerned. It was very clattery, kinda like a diesel.
@@Jay-me7gwmight be the direct injection. I had a mazdaspeed 3 that clattery too but had no problems putting down 400whp for over 100k miles.
@@Ww8.3 I drove my direct injected 3.5L Ecoboost to the dealer for the test drive. DI def makes a ticking, but It wasn’t just that.
You guys did a great job! Thanks for the content
Bro the toyota is not even near the raptor. The raptor is on another level lockers and more power and speed. Plus the raptor got a v6 😂
Yeah but it's a Ford V6. 😂
@@andyleo8418Good point
The off-road capability of the Ranger Raptor is understandable. The problem is that it has Ford QC. The industry leader in recalls 3 years in a row.
@@theaveragewoodsman6002 toyota should trounce that easily in the next qc. 110 engines and tacoma trannys failing like crazy.
Very thorough and interesting review of both trucks! Tommy and Kase (And Alex) are definitely the future of TFL! Keep up the great work guys!
Very impressed by those BFGs. I think that was the big difference
I'm still in the middle on the k03s. I know they are better in the rain but I'm worried about offroad use.
@@adamsmiths3016 if I would be doing more mud, than I wouldn't use the all terrain. For general use, and crawling, I think its the right choice
@@adamsmiths3016 I have them on my 4th gen Taco and have done a few off road trips on them. I have absolutely zero issues with them.
@@n118nw not trying to discredit you but just trying to pick your brain. Have you used the k02s before you tried the k03s if so did you notice a big difference? I'm curious because my k02s are at the end of their life and I'm going to pick up the HD terrains or the k03s next.
@@adamsmiths3016 No OEM were BFG Trailterrains. Previous truck had Continental Terrain Contacts. This is the first time I've ever had BFG AT's
Out standing! Top tier rd review Thank you Tommy and Kace you guys rock!! 👌👍🔥🔥🔥🔥
Normally I see a 20+ minutes video (let alone 36!) and pass… but Tommy and Case, you guys made one of the best TFL vids to date! Thoroughly enjoyed the whole thing!
For a future video idea it might be fun to have a “normal” truck along. This was like watching two olympians do battle, be interesting to see how a normal vehicle would compare.
But did the front differential blow up on the Tacoma again?
It will and so with the Transfer Case, and transmission, and then the 4 cylinder turbo engine. What an absolute garbage cheap and overpriced truck.
This has to be one of your best videos ever. Just awesome. Thank you.
Wow, thank you!
Are you guys going to get that new Ford performance tune Ford released yesterday.
It’s a Ford dealer installed performance tune that bumps the Ranger Raptor up 50Hp and 100 lbs of torque.
Ranger Raptor: Torque jumps from 430 to 536 lb.-ft., while horsepower increases from 405 to 455.
I think Ford is charging something like $800 for it. Would love to see a lot of the Ranger Raptor test or re-test with that performance tune.
It’s already the power king in the class. This tune should really take it to yet another level.
That’s a decent price for a warranty power bump
They've said in a new vid, they want to get the tune, then do before and after performance tests !!
I’m going with the Tacoma, it’s more money but it offers more factory installed accessories for the cost. The front locker in the Ranger is great, but crawl control has its own benefits that the locker does not.
For the first time I don’t think there’s enough data to say the Toyota is more reliable than the Ford. Excited to see how both of these hold up over the years.
That Tocoma looks awesome
And you put the Ford at a disadvantage with the camper on it.
😂how
@@flight2k5 So much weight on the back axle lowers the rear breakover, and center breakover.
@@reaperofchaos87 🤣😂 ok. It o my weight 275 pounds
Another ford meathead.
I doubt anyone would be putting these trucks through anything close to what they did here so either one is fine.. lol
Why a front locker isn't offered as a factory option for the Taco at this point is beyond me. Espeically in the TH model which is said to be showcasing Toyo's off-road capability. Both Ford and GMC/Chevy got it right there.
So glad you did this comparo! Now i just need to convince the wife she needs a ranger raptor 😉
I love that Trailhunter!!! Matches my phone perfectly!!!
Is the ford ranger the new mid size king ? It seems that of the off road version of the mid size trucks now the ford ranger raptor the best truck for the money and the most all around capable mid size truck .
No. The tacoma outsells the ranger 4 to 1
@@Enchanted3DPrints The new tacoma is not selling good at all
Appreciate, as usual, y'all truly testing vehicles capabilities!
Ranger every day!!
And the Gladiator Rubicon would glide up there without issues…
Gladiators are wannabe trucks
That Tacoma is U G L Y!
Another great video guys, very well done!
The articulation and locker test was impressive for a pair of showroom stock trucks.
Raptor beats any TRD/Special Edition Taco on price and performance.
True. Here in Philippines no V6 only 2.0 Biturbo Diesel
Love both of those trucks. Am deciding between the 2. I'm an old spaz about wanting a manual option, but after watching this video, I'm not sure how the clutch would hold up. Also, I'd rather have a V6 natually aspirated option even though the twin turbo sounds cool. Thank you for adding the comment about not being able to manage that trail in a full-sized truck. Yeah. not happening or you guys would have scratched the heck out of the paint. Overall, I'd go Ford (functional back seat, too)- even though I'd love a manual option. Thanks, guy. Loved this video.Great job.
Tommy I'll 100% take my f150 down that trail. Watch me. Next time I'm in Colorado!
100% Agree with your final assessment. The Raptor (minus the stupid camper and side steps)wins in my book. BTW, @22:00 minutes in, I was in a similar roll situation where I was so far over on the drivers side, I could literally and did, put my hand out the window and touch the ground.(1986.5 Nissan Hardbody SEV6 4x4) And that while fun, was very concerning. Unfortunately, that was back in the day when we did not have phone cameras and my back up rig was at the bottom of the V notch a good 4 hundred yards away. I don't know what kept it from rolling completely over, other than I had just the right amount of everything working in my favor. lol
Toyota has no bump stops! They are blowing out the upper shock towers
The paint on the Taco is beautiful
TrailHunter...no front locker, has a 4 cylinder, comes with crappy tires and is almost $10k more than the Raptor. Who in the Hell would choose this junk over the Raptor? 🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂 So many Toyota Boot lickers will buy this overpriced and cheaply built Toyota Tacoma. Toyota fanboys are not the sharpest toolbags….LOL
Thanks guys, this was an awesome video. You put those trucks through their paces, and that is what I was looking for - the defining factor that gives one an edge here or there. You guys did an amazing job of keeping those trucks looking nice through some rough terrain though. That has to be tough. If it's mine, I could live with a scrape here or there. But it's totally different when it's not yours LOL.
My takeaway is this: Ranger Raptor.
Two main factors.
1. Money.
2. While I like the look of the Trailhunter, I have sat in the new Tacoma. The combination of the super raked windshield combined with the super high dash plus overstyled interior makes for a very small cabin. The shame of it is, there's really no reason for it other than maybe a MPG bump for the angle of windshield.
Game Over … The Ranger Raptor absolutely destroys the Tacoma. Even the Chevy ZR2/GMC AT4X outperforms the Toyota.
🇺🇸👍🏻
Keep hating broke down on the side of the road.
...just and simply: Thank you, Tommy and Case 😃
The Ford looks much better glad to hear it performs as well as it looks.