Random Redditor Tries Steroids ONCE... Makes GODLIKE Gains (Plebe to Superhuman in 20 Weeks!)
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2024
- This video is a part 2 follow up to a recent video I made called "How Much Do Steroids REALLY Matter? (MORE Than You Think!) || An "ON" vs "OFF" Analysis"
• How Much Do Steroids R...
Enhanced. Juicy. Roided to the gills. Today we're talking about everyone's favorite topic in the fitness industry: steroids!
It seems to have become somewhat of a par for the course type of deal on social media where big old roiders who've most likely been on gear for longer than they can even remember (side note: kind of weird how these people give advice to natty lifters, isn't it?) DOWNPLAY the potential positive effects of anabolic steroids and other performance enhancing drugs.
"Well the effects are more modest than you think, trust me."
Uh huh. So in this video we analyze things from a little bit of a different perspective. No excessive data crunching, no science, no literature. Instead we just take the information that is right in front of our eyes and analyze it. Simple.
This video is an analysis of a random Redditor's experience trying steroids for the first time. The athlete in question was a highly experienced and relatively strong powerlifter who took the plunge into the dark world of steroids for the very first time and gave us a detailed recount of his experience and progress while doing so. And the gains he made in just 20 weeks were nothing short of GODLIKE!
This anecdote provides further ammunition to the idea that the steroid apologists are just vehemently defending their own conflicts of interest when they tell us how "modest" the results of steroid usage are.
Please remember to smash the like button, leave me a friendly comment down below, and share the video around so we can put an end the idea that these substances are somehow trivial or modest in what they do and how powerful they can be. Happy Friday guys!
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RESOURCES & REFERENCES
The Reddit thread in question
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Steroids for Strength Sports: The Disappointing Truth (The Greg Nuckols article)
www.strongerbyscience.com/ste...
Lu Xiaojun Enters the REVERSE Hyperbolic Time Chamber (Steroids is a Hell of a Drug!)
• Lu Xiaojun Enters the ...
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Redditor tries steroids once...makes GODLIKE gains
4:04 This is TRANFORMATIVE stuff
5:45 The problem with the Greg Nuckols analysis
8:13 10% is the difference between world class & nobody
9:52 Fitness influencers misconstrue Greg's analysis for their own ends
13:39 What do YOU guys think?
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I took steroids, and they made me weaker and smaller… prove me wrong. This comment is just as credible as the random trend you found.
8 comments deep. How triggered are you? 😂
@@EnkiriElite i’m trying to boost your video with engagement. I am a subscriber, these are not hate comments, but I am not a yes, man
Hilarious parody of the steroid apologist. Unless you’re serious, in which case it’s even more hilarious. Either way, don’t ever change. 😄
@@I-di-nt-do-nuff-in- I don't need yes men lol I just found most of your comments very amusing
the "random trend" of steroids making you bigger and stronger? lmao
"yOu sTiLL hAVe tO dO tHE wORk!!!111"
That drastic improvement in performance in such a short time frame sounds like an injury waiting to happen.
It would definitely make me uneasy if I was the one getting it lol
@@EnkiriElitetwo snakes in grass discussing it
@@jyril811 Strange way to admit that you are incapable of forming a single logical thought.
I know a few guys at my gym who have used PEDs for several years, & the strength & especially size gains they got were massive to say the least compared to the natty gains I was seeing in that same time, especially as a seasoned advanced lifter. Minimizing the effect they can have is silly…almost as silly as when people try to minimize the tremendous negative health impacts PED use can have on you. Stay natty folks! 💪
As well as that,the gains you saw in others most likely won't help them in any other endeavour than doing what they do in a gym .
Get them to roll with a BBJ intermediate (or beginner for that matter) or throw hands with a Boxer,Throw a shotput,sprint 100 metres.... Literally ANYTHING athletic and if they're typical gym rats theyll just get injured, beaten easily and humbled....So whats the point? Beyond a certain amount of muscle based on your frame size,just packing on muscle is pointless except for the boring sport of powerlifting that nobody gives a toss about ( largely because people who know what they're talking about realise it carries over to nothing in the sporting realm)
A combination of all physical parameters is what's most important,not just waddling about like a penguin 🐧 with your lats permanently flexed 😅😂
@@ThePitPony the extra muscle would most definitely help as long as they bunker down and take the extra time necessary for skill acquisition. Lots of bigger and juiced up dudes do very well in martial arts and traditional sports, you don't have to shit on bodybuilders by lying just because its not what you're personally into. Even your favorite not huge athlete is likely using PEDs because they very much positively affect performance outside of the gym.
@@ThePitPony Plenty of body builders don't care about anything other than aesthetic.
@@111kino "extra muscle" ...To what extent? As i said its all about an individuals frame size and structure,if just packing on muscle was THE thing,why did for example,Brock Lesnar trim down when he left the WWE for the UFC?
Look,to follow a training schedule that delivers the sort of physique you've got in mind and then do the necessary skill training for a rigorous sport, even using anabolics ,you still will find the skill /athletic drills aren't enhanced by the acquisition of bodybuilder-like muscle mass.
Believe me,as far as physical combat is concerned,ive been in fighting gyms all my adult life and never seen a bodybuilder thay can actually fight.
For a Start their shoulder mass and inability to rotate their torso and ball if the fit in snyc to deliver a straight punch is hopeless.
As a caveat,if some juiced up muscle head tries to bulky you don't be scared to take him outside and have a straightener with him.
@@nateo200 Which is why its a sport of our age...All show and no go,fake, dangerous and pointless.
Perfect for the garbage era we're living through.
Hot take from a PED user. I am an advanced lifter currently on the third month of my cycle consisting of testosterone and masteron. The reason I started steroids is not really physique based as I had already reached a point that would already be a doubtful natty status as a natty, but because I got there after years of dieting and in the end bashing my head on the wall to lose even more fat but just couldn't for months on end, hence I hopped on steroids as I had developed an eating disorder and knew that If I were to eat a lot I would just get fat without drugs, so I took them in an attempt to bias the weight towards muscle. For the first month I gained 6kg from both water and fat and a little bit of muscle and but most was fat. I still kept eating at a more reasonable surplus as my appetite had subsided a bit but still lots of food, enough for a dirty bulk, that and the fact that there was a powerlifting competition at a national level for the junior year (my last year being a junior) was enough to make me hop on. Would I do it again? NO and here is why. Even though my bloodwork was excellent before drugs making me a good candidate and even now 3 months in, it's still better than most health conscious natty people, along without sides such as hair loss, blood pressure increases, acne, gyno etc putting me in the hyper responder category I STILL won't hop again because shit is draining to have in mind all the time, pin very often, do bloods, buy the gear itself etc which all are money and time consuming.
As for my gains, yes I did change, yes I believe even though I was advanced already, the natty limit is still quite higher even than my current roided self, strength gains were with like an extra 30kg at my total while weighing 12kg more than before so you be the judge.
Back to natty for me (I know my natty card is gone) and I hope this long sheet of a message helped discourage people on hopping, as I was discouraged my self even though I am in the middle of a seemingly utopic cycle.
I don’t think I’d be able to quit once I started. Im sure all that testosterone in your body makes you feel great about yourself, and when it’s gone imagine the low feeling.
10 kilos of mostly muscle in less than a half year... Damit, screw anybody who says roids are just a "cherry on the cake".
Kevin Levrone “growing into shows” is another example of the ridiculous results that steroids give. Granted Levrone is a hyper-responder, but getting leaner while in a calorie surplus is absolutely mind blowing.
@@ChiselledK1990in general if you go for 'looks' you waste your time natural..you gonna have to slow bulk for years and then cut to 12% crushing your hormones regardless how slow you do it.
If you train for health and general athleticism natural is a no brainer... strength is also a waste of time natural no point training to be strong and fkn up joints just to never win any competition anyways.
Plus he was already an advanced lifter
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Someone saying a ten % increase isn't a big deal when anyone who has been training for years for percentage points of improvement knows that 10% is absolutely massive
Nice content man
Thank you! It's a lot of work so it's nice to hear that sometimes.
Great video, we need more of this type of material to put on display just how much a difference gear makes. Too many people downplay the actual effects, the strength and muscle gain, but also the adverse side effects.. plenty of people out there dying due to abuse of the stuff.
Agreed on both counts. Glad you enjoyed!
I’ve been lifting since 2009 and have no idea how I haven’t come across your channel and I’m pretty tuned in to this community as well.
Anyway, I too have been getting more and more annoyed at the drug user side of strength and hypertrophy and I agree, so many people downplay it or say it doesn’t matter.
If you ask me, at this point in my career, it’s much more impressive to train this long naturally and work this damn hard for gains people get after blasting for a cycle or two.
I’m tired of not calling it drug use and I’ve gotten tired of how acceptable it is to pin your ass and claim it’s not a big deal or that it’s cool and not trashy as hell.
Anyway, that’s my addded rant
A friendly comment. But seriously, thank you for all your great content.
These substances work and they work well for most people.
My test was very low for a 34 year old male, under 200. At that point I'd already been training consistently for about 4 years and squatted 405 for reps and pulled about 475 for a few reps, too; but my upper body strength was still proportionately lacking at a 255 bench and 175 press. Within a year of being on TRT i pressed 220 and benched 290 and soon after squatted 455 and pulled 525, each for an easy single.
Here's the kicker : This was also *AT 30lb LESS* bodyweight.
So bringing my total test from under 200 to the high end of normal at 900 caused me to become significantly stronger and leaner in short order.
I bet if i used other exogenous steroid substances i would've experienced a much more drastic change.
There's a reason steroids have the historic reputation they do.
Damn! Congrats on the massive strength boost and body composition improvements. I hope it has helped you feel better overall on the day to day as well!
@EnkiriElite Thanks Alec, I've kept the weight off since then as well. I do feel better overall in my mood and actually have had some wind emoticons, struggling with anger quite a bit less. Even poor sleep is more restful and my ability to recover seems back in order.
(My low test was a symptom of Hashimotos thyroiditis.)
Thanks for putting out great info on your channel- you're also responsible for my progress since I've been educated by your content since "Fake-weight-gate" =D
The thing that also gets lost is that this guy was already in the top 5% for his weight on the big three. It's certainly possible that he could make additional progress over additional years of training, but the rate of that progress in such a short time frame is what is really what's important. It gives you a sense of the power of these drugs and the major role they play in the persons who use them overall physical or athletic development -- it ain't small, and neither are they.
I'd say 10% is a considerable lowball, factoring all the different compounds people take beyond basic test, the prevalence of hyper responders etc. And absolute is infinitely more important than relative strength anyway assuming you aren't obese.
I think one thing that gets lost in the 10% relative strength benefit of steroids is people ignore the even more dramatic effect they have on hypertrophy. Ed Coan started out as a 165 & ended as a 242. His natty max class was probably gonna be a comfy 198 or a cut to 181. A 10% strength increase compounded on top of a 20% mass increase is some super soldier serum type shit.
Modern day equivalent is Haack, the guy’s added 20-30lbs of mass & 478lbs to his total since his last USAPL meet. Sure, that wasn’t his natty limit, but it’s within 66lbs of the current world record, so even if he stayed the strongest natty 181 in the world his enhanced current self would still be over 400lbs stronger.
TLDR: steroids are a helluva drug
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Keep up the good work!
Thanks!
alec will you ever go full skinhead?
Did any of these gains make him better at anything other than "look" different?
Did his VO2 max go up? Did his ability to be athletic in any way,at any sport?
Other than his absolute strength in powerlifting ( that nobody really cares about in the real world)
When we're young ( lacking in wisdom) we neglect to look into the fact that any more than a certain amount of muscle on your particular frame and it can actually reduce your performance at nearly every other sport in existence.
Real sports are skill based,its not about just packing on tons if muscle for muscles sake.
Thinking in terms like this can make an individual look at the reality of the situation and away from potential health destroying abuse of PEDs
Remember; nobody gives a toss about powerlifting, thats why there's zero money in it.
Steroids will still help with skill based sports, it’s all about imposed demands. If the guy did not develop other things outside of strength it’s only because they were not trained
In his reddit post he said that he's going for climbing and something else next and his PEDs journey initially hindered his climb ability due to excess fluid retention but afterwards it evened out and likely helped(unsurprisingly) but he also wasnt focused on climbing during that period of time(the important part). If he wanted to increase his VO2 max all he has to do is take the right stuff for that or blood dope. He could also do cardio, not like taking steroids removes his ability to do aerobic activities. PEDs are PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS for a good reason, they improve your performance. Lots of "real sports" athletes at the top and even close to it are on PEDs and you're willfully ignorant if you believe otherwise and that it doesn't help with skill acquisition or as a skill display multiplier. Hell, people in manual labor use and abuse PEDs to help with their job(because it works).
All you're doing is lying in the opposite direction and it's just as harmful.
@@111kino After Ben Johnson got "caught" with stanozolol in his system, his coach Charlie Francis famously said that, whilr he was on steroids, he was not on THAT steroid because stanozolol tightens you up, which is terrible for sprinting performance. Always thought that was kind of funny!
@@EnkiriElite meanwhile Lance Armstrong admitted to using pretty much everything he could get his hands on.
@@HenkHenkJaap anabolics will help in recovery from skill training/drills but im talking about the acquisition of high levels of muscle mass through PED overuse,ill repeat: Having bodybuilder-like muscle mass WILL NOT help you in any REAL sport,like MMA,Boxing any form of martial arts ,even football or rugby.
I was a semi pro Rugby player in the UK and even the guys with the best genetics couldn't look like what you'd call "bodybuilder-like" whilst on gear AND doing thr required sports drills
Yes,they looked powerful, strong and healthy but didn't have big round delts, legs that made them walk in an unweildy fashion etc...How hard is this to understand?
The fact that there is a 10% difference between Gold medal and not getting an invite is also my ammunition for why most pro athletes are on steroids. These people will literally die to win, it's crazy to me people think they wouldn't be on PEDs when they witness firsthand how big of a difference it makes. In boxing or MMA, a performance gap that narrow is the difference between "looking old" and scoring a devastating KO in the very first round.
It really puts into perspective how such a relatively small difference like that plays an actual massive difference when you are competing. A guy that can run the 40 yard dash, like they do in the NFL combine, under 6 seconds is actually athletic and fit. Let's say it's a 5.5 second 40 yard dash, unless he was an O-lineman he wouldn't even be considered.
I remember when the UFC started random testing. The before and after performances and physiques of Vitor Belfort and Johnny Hendricks were drastic.
@kuriosites yup and even the ability to train more and get more practice in is huge with skill sports. Like imagine a guy who takes Adderall for focus and testosterone for recovery every day and is able to train 10 hours per day vs a guy who's natty training 2-4 hours at a lower intensity. Even if they were the same strength, just the learning you get out of that is massive.
I coach boxers and striking for mma so I've seen a lot of athletes and the difference is staggering
"one cycle wouldn't hurt" 😅
My answer to any juicer who says...'they don't do much, you just need to train harder'....is always 'so stop doing them then'...Needless to say you can guess the answer/outcome.....
Absolutely insulting to the intelligence that roiders think its not roids.
I can understand taking roids for movie roles that will make you millions but to increase lifting strength with 15%? What a waste of your health.
What up brother these is nothing to do with the video and love the content but the beard man just Make that transition from chin strap to full beard with much love
20 week gains that would take him 5 years or more to achieve lol
It’s not that steroids are downplayed necessarily. I mean some people do. But here’s the thing: steroids are a very effective tool, and you will absolutely make incredible gains from them, and a lot.
But, when someone is natural, they expect steroids to make them absolutely insane. And when they finally jump on a cycle, and inevitably don’t turn into an ifbb pro or an elite powerlifter after 6 months, they get disappointed. That’s where the downplaying come from.
It’s not that they don’t do much, quite the opposite. They’ll gain 20-30 pounds and put 100 lbs on each lift (maybe closer to 50 for bench) but the problem is they had wayyyy higher expectations than that, so then they “downplay” them. It’s kind of hard to explain but there you go
If you want a real life example of an athlete who maxxed out his natural potential then hopped on gear look up ian wilson. His total went up by 10% in basically no time. Infact he also competed internationally without getting popped but got caught by usada.
Now imagine how much stronger he would've been if he continued to train a little longer on gear. Or even better if he was on the shit before puberty like many of the atheltes he competed against.
4:20 trensformative😂
I recall that moment of steroid use video a couple weeks ago, a guy by the name of joestethic pass away just a day after posted.
Getting a 14% boost in 5 months is nuts! It’d be one thing if it was a 10% boost over the course of a 25 year lifting career but being able to fast track that much progress is un real
I would say it's more like 25 or 30 percent.
I'D BE HAPPY BEING THE BEFORE PIC! ;(
I can only gain fat or lose muscle.
Been that way since my early 20s. :(
Right is way way too dehydrated, sun damaged, veiny etc.
Very good points. I think what might skew the data as low as 10% is some sort of user bias. If you’re a tested athlete continuing to see growth your probably less likely to try PEDs to begin with. Conversely, if you’re stalling out early because your genetics aren’t elite or your training sucks you may be more tempted to try them. I think we can see that some of the best untested lifters are the ones who were elite in tested lifting before making the switch, Haack, Browner, Hunt. Those guys have improved they’re dots have improved 18-20% percent since the switch. They also would have just gotten stronger between that time without PEDs but I think it paints a picture.
Really good analysis. All the "honesty" nowadays has turned into a downplaying of the massive effects of steroids and the like. Because no one wants to admit all their success was due to the drugs, still bad for PR. Not to mention the constant supply of naive young men eager to buy supplements.
All the world records would be hundreds of pounds lower with out gear. Anyone claiming a lift near world record level natural is an insecure liar and deserves 0 respect.
Here is my issue with the “only” 10% argument. Even just 10% absolute increase is actually almost double that from a differential.
Let me explain: Let’s say the average person after learning bench press technique can max out at 150lbs when they first start lifting.
Then they train for many years and peak out at 300lbs. so a +150lb difference.
Whereas the person on steroids peaks out at 330lbs so +180lb difference
Raw numbers don’t really matter. what matters is the differential differences. But even a 10% raw difference is a 20% differential increase.
I'd rather be natural and healthy. Thats the whole reason to be in fitness Good video bro
Friendly comment before I go.
Thank you sir!
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Haha, glad you saw that comment man. It blew my mind when I first saw it.
I personally can cite a guy from the gym that had an insane transformation when he went on his first cycle. He was around 5'10" or so and weighed around 215, he had a solid foundation and was able to bench about 300-315 for a max and deadlift 500 for a max. When he went on his first cycle, not sure what it was exactly, in less than 6 months he ended up weighing something like 270 and was benching 315 for 10 reps easily and deadlifting 500 for 10 reps. As an advanced lifter, especially for a natural, he increased at a rate that would put most noob gains to shame. I'm lifetime natural, 6'4", 235 and have very good genetics and I can't imagine what I'd be like if I decided to go on gear.
14% DOTS is probably a slight outlier and people like Mike Isreatel and Greg Nuckols claiming a 10% benefit probably aren’t far off if they are are off at all. It’s just that 10% is a HUGE difference but it’s not the only difference between someone benching 250 and the top guys.
Edit: also, I think datasets around strongman may be more informative about the absolute difference between competitors and push a narrative closer to 20% for the uncapped weight classes where taller and bigger is almost always better. And, 20% is a gap the size of the the Grand Canyon.
Hobby lifters using PED's is such a waste.
My medium-long term Goals for Strength, size and athleticism can all be achieved naturally, probably 120% of my Goals to be honest if I specialized in certain aspects.
Imagine throwing away your health for an extra 20%.
I know for a fact for example that I can Squat 600lbs naturally (I'm 6'2", so let's say at 250-280lbs Bodyweight).
But a 750-800lbs Squat with PED's at 300+lbs isn't World Class, and would detract from my Goals for being athletic, healthy, aesthetic and well balanced.
So what's there to gain?
It's not like I have World record potential (or aspirations), it's really silly.
This was implied but I think should be explicitly stated (though someone can correct me if I'm interpreting things incorrectly), but a 10% relative improvement will underestimate the absolute improvement considerably. In the example here the absolute improvement was >20% everywhere but the relative improvement was "just" 14% as strength standards increase as the weight class increases. On top of this is the question of how to appropriately measure absolute strength increases. For example, increasing your squat from 300 to 400 pounds is a 33% absolute increase assuming the numbers scale linearly, but they don't. Most people will be able to squat 135 pounds with almost no training; if you look at "trainable" increases and start at 135 then (400-300)/(300-135) = 60%. This gets at the point made in the video of 10% being a massive increase as you get to the top of the margins of potential human achievement. Treating this as a linear scale is inappropriate in my opinion, and if you gain 10% from your peak performance that is much more significant than gaining 10% as a beginner.
A bro I used to chat to regularly at the gym around 15 years ago suddenly jumped up in strength and size. He was usually around 190 lbs benching around 285-300 1rm. Experienced lifter. So anyway I don’t see the guy for a few months and he’s 220 lbs and gets me to spot him on close grip bench. Smashes out a set of 8 with 280 lbs pausing every rep on the chest. Tells me his bench pb is now 375 lbs. Im like bro where did these gains come from he just blatantly tells me he started juicing. He was on dbol and test. 26 at the time. Gym ended up closing and never seen him since, be interesting to know how he went long term.
I'm about to run 400 mg of test cyp with 50 mg dbol for my first real cycle I'm so excited because I'm like the guy you are describing I'm exactly 195 at 5"7 and bench 335 so let's see where I end up by the end of that cycle
@@gregoriomiller8241 keep us posted man! Good luck.
@@EnkiriElite for sure I will!
@@gregoriomiller8241update?
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Four weeks of 20mgs per day of dbol gave me the same transformation. One time I did it with only 10mg and hit my best all-time bench of 455 at 216bw. Of course, all gains disappeared after cessation of drug use.
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Yeah, because threads on the Internet are so credible😂
Far more unbiased is the source who is compelled to remain anonymous simply by the nature of what he is revealing than is the guy who's financial livelihood is staked to you believing things are a certain way.
@@EnkiriElite The way you try to turn speculation into fact is just ridiculously stupid. Why don’t you start naming names if you’re so confident. Your logic is, if they’re bigger than you they must be on steroids.
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I know a power lifter who made similar progress after just one training cycle on steroids. Imagine what would happen after multiple cycles.
No physique pic on the post but still judging by his squat and bench jump he is probably massive now
I think the visual difference would be nothing short of night and day
14:08 why you as a natural lifter, trolling the Internet, looking at steroid forums??
Because it's interesting.
I'm natty and I like to learn about roids.
Roids are literally the irl version of comic book strength serums
Just morbid curiosity
End of.
I'm 5'9" 135 lbs. and I remember wanting to get big when I was younger. I tried everything short of PED's: every different routine, weight gainers, diets. Some helped a little but the what-ifs have always intrigued me.
I was 5"7, 100lbs at 15. I know that feeling. Eat in a calorie surplus with a 100% whey protein shake a day, and do heavy (6-10 rep) compounds pushing near failure and I assure you you will blow up. I'm currently 160lbs, never had to resort to PEDs and neither should you.
I'm the same height as you OP. I'm thinking it's time for a bulk for you. I have small wrists and bones and I'm 170 lbs with ever so slightly visible abs. I'm going to keep bulking until they're gone and then cut, but what I'm saying here is that 5'9 at 135 lbs = beginner lifter or not eating enough. You're probably shredded though, which is awesome.
@@DzmndW I've actually been prioritizing my running lately so it's actually easier on my joints, etc. to be light. I still lift regularly to maintain health and strength in my old age. :) Good luck on your journey though.
@@kuriosites sorry man, I thought you were bodybuilding, didn't mean to project. I wish you luck on your goals, man!
@@DzmndW It's all good. I did prioritize that more at other times in my life. Good luck.
My comment on your previous videos was actually about that often cited Greg Nuckols' research. The example in this video really proves the point I was making. I can easily see how if you compare the results of ten 200-pound guys on gear with ten 200-pound natural guys, the enhanced guys only lift 10% more. What this research did not measure is how much steroids improved each individual in the enhanced group. My guess is, just like this guy. It is significantly north of 10 percent.
I don't remember too well, but I think the 10% thing was to say that strength gets benefit from gear than physique, but wouldn't be surprised if fake natties and gear downplayers add that to their ammunition. Either way, 10% is hoooge. Looking at those reddit posts makes me think how many everyday joes are on gear.
These vids are a bit of an ego stroke lol. I'm natty. But I took my bench 1rm from 285 to 355 in about 4 months. When I started deadlifting, I couldn't break 315 off the floor. In about 6 months or so I pulled 465 for a double... without loading the hammies.
There is a lot of work behind the scenes that made this possible, but hearing that these are "unnatural" jumps in weight does make me smile a little.
Enjoy that while you can man! It's a blessing I have experienced myself. But we all have our ceiling and once we start to approach it....those massive jumps stop existing. Here's to hoping your ceiling is still hundreds of pounds away!
@EnkiriElite I am honestly to worried where my ceiling is. I might only max out 1 or 2 more times. No matter where the chips fall, I'm moving back to more athletic stuff. I want to be fast again and climb things easier. Use the strength I keep to jump high and build good power for and old man lol
@@EnkiriElite I plan on hiring you here pretty soon 😉
This kind of stuff is the reason I don’t see steroids as a shortcut. They’re going to bring you to a place you could never achieve naturally. It’s not a shortcut but a whole new destination.
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I hope you enjoyed!
@@EnkiriElite definitely did enjoy the video it's a topic I've been thinking about for a good6 month ever since larry tested his strength on High dose of TRT and compared it to his strength on full blast.
One thing i said a long time ago "The difference between the elite and the great is farther than the great to the good. But the untrained eye can't see it"
13:48 so all the Mr. Olympia competitors make a living off people thinking they’re natural
Should I remind you of Mike O'Tren?
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And that was with just 20 weeks of use, and we didn’t discuss what drugs exactly he was using in the video but I’m guessing it was “sub-maximal” (fewer compounds/lower dosages than what the top tier strongmen or untested powerlifters are taking). If this same guy was to keep training and pinning for another 5-10 years (continually adjusting his PED stack to break plateaus), does anyone really think he wouldn’t continue to build more muscle and get stronger? He’d cap out eventually due to health issues from drugs, injuries from training, or actually hitting his “genetic ceiling”. But I don’t believe for one second that he maxed out his potential in those 20 weeks.
With the average Mr Olympia at 230-250+ pounds and the elite natural lifters in the 190lb range, how anyone can say steroids are the “icing on the cake” blows my mind. I’ve had friends on Dbol, test and winstrol, and they all made almost instant improvements in strength and size. That being said, how anyone can stigmatize steroid use in this day and age is beyond me. Half the people that tell you testosterone is too dangerous, it should be illegal are the same people that will tell you it’s imperative the 13 year old girl that now identifies as a boy, gets it. The women that say it’s men just being vain are the ones spending $200 on their hair every month with fake breasts and fake nails.
It's all fucking bad man, young girls on test, young boys on estrogen, bodybuilders dying left right and center but it's never the drugs it's always an "underlying condition".
In my honest opinion, I think it was better when they all lied about taking drugs, because now with people being so open, it's almost becoming normalized. It's like oh he smokes, he drinks, he takes steroids.
Don't think we'd be saying the same thing if it was a crackhead, and I'd argue that steroids are potentially way more harmful than cigarettes or alcohol.
You think fake nails can harm just as much as steroids?
This is where we need to set aside our biases and emotions and think coldly and critically. Just because someone makes the claim that he “tried steroids once” (as in, did his first cycle), the aura of it-must-be-true-otherwise-he-wouldn’t-admit-it is specious at best. More likely is someone did some simple, low-dose cycles, achieved a modestly impressive physique, and then upped the dosages significantly, introducing more-and more exotic and powerful-compounds, calling it his “first cycle.”
I’ve seen it on UA-cam before. Not gonna name names. Dude is jacked and strong. People assume he’s natty because he trains extremely hard. Then all of a sudden he blows up even bigger out of nowhere, getting even more jacked, even more strong, and looking freaky. “Oh, he must have decided to take the plunge and hop on roids.” No, the dude’s *been* on roids. What he did was go all out, adding not only more roids, but growth hormone, insulin, IGF-1, the works. There’s more to this than “just” anabolic steroids, guys. That is far from the only type of performance enhancer under the sun. And remember. It is dose dependent. To be honest, most guys won’t look very good after their first cycle. I didn’t! They’ll likely be a bloated, acne-ridden mess. Because they have no clue wtf they’re doing. Think, fellas. Think.
A lot of this. Even the guys at elitefts talk about the dangers of the mentality behind that; "how much more drugs do I have to take to up my numbers?" and whatnot. The argument has conveniently shifted from what, how much, and how many drugs to are you taking or not and it does nothing but serve the liars. Its one of the reasons the "noble natty" community is a joke IMO, everyone conveniently pretends like low dose and sticking to very few compounds is impossible and everyone has to go full bore or none at all. A good liar will put in a good amount of truth to obfuscate the lies after all.
Think back to your condition on February 24th. Now imagine having gained 20 pounds of good mass and put 290 pounds on your total since then.
Also, this is a 14% improvement over 4.6 months. How does that compound over 5 years?
Pretty fucking wild when you put it that way! February 24 feels like it was last week.
I’m a disabled lifter, before TRT I was a skeleton and couldn’t recover from mild workout, now I’m jacked by most peoples standards and my upper body is stronger than most gym goers, that’s just with basic testosterone, but no steroids don’t do much lol
It’s really sad if you think you need steroids to look like Zac Efron
Comments like these are always from dudes with dad bods.
My best mate went on his first cycle some years ago and literally became a different person like you've mentioned.
Went from being one of the smallest guys in our friend group to BY FAR the biggest guy in the space of about 3-4 months, which was mind blowing to me who didn't see him until before and after that time. He looked like a Tekken character. The thing is that he was basically a giant balloon. It was pretty much all water weight. It was like his muscles were just filled with a load of air.
@YSIBfitness yeah you can clearly see it isn't actually muscle tissue. But there's so much water in the muscle you just look massive especially compared to being natty.
@YSIBfitness I agree. You look fantastic in clothes though.
I literally gained like 15 pounds after doing a msten cycle for 6 weeks warranted it wasn't all muscle but still insane results.
Did you hold mass over your natty Limit? OK ist hard to estimate
@@ew-zd1th after pct was finished I managed to hold onto 10 pounds of muscle and the 5 pounds I lost was probably just nitrogen retention and a little water weight. And I feel it def got me past my natty limit
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Ronnie Coleman weighed about 300 lbs at his top peak weight. 10% less than that is 270 lbs ripped to the bone. Easy natty gainz there! /s
4:02 so less than half
Your critical thinking skills arent really all there it seems.
@@EnkiriElite so I am wrong in saying that he built less than half of his strength from steroids versus what he built naturally??? or maybe you’re just in capable of understanding what I said
@@I-di-nt-do-nuff-in- 😂 na man not wrong at all. Everyone knows the first 400lbs are the hardest to get on the bar. After that it's just a gravy train into the skies. Diminishing returns don't exist.
@@EnkiriElite you still don’t understand what I’m saying. he built most of his strength naturally, then took drugs and didn’t even get half the results he achieve naturally
@@EnkiriElite your point would make sense if he gained more than double the strength after taking steroids, but that’s not the case