The WORST Classic Doom Port? (BFG Edition)
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- Опубліковано 5 тра 2022
- The CLASSIC DOOM ports in the Doom 3 BFG Edition - why are they so butchered? Let's discuss the Doom 1 and Doom 1 BFG versions compared to the Classic Doom source ports out there. #Doom #ClassicDoom #IdSoftware
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That "missing texture" is the oldest Doom trick in the book. Right next to it is the secret alcove with a stimpack and 2 imps. Once you start shooting, they hear you through a little hole which you can see in that little cage, and come out of the alcove. I hadn't even seen it before, but its purpose is clear...
This. Well explained.
To add to the above, you can see it on the map if you use IDDT. It's a small tube connecting to the secret room. Normally a map developer would add a mid texture to hide it, but I guess Sandy either forgot or just didn't think it would be noticed.
That missing texture thing is actually a Sound pipe since Doom was id's first game to have sound flooding into other rooms. There is a similar trick in E1M9 with the pentagram teleporter.
This port was nice to have especially for PS3 players, because Doom 3 wasn't released on PlayStation before. The PS2 version was scraped and the originaly came out only on PC and the OG Xbox. As a port of Doom and Doom II it was pretty much irelevant for the PS3 owners, because they already got the Doom Classic Complete collection, which not only included Doom 1 and 2, but also Final Doom, Master Levels and No Rest For the Living. Unfortunately that collection is not available anymore.
The BFG Edition as a whole is nowdays irelevant pretty much on all platforms. Doom 3 got re-released again in 2019 on PC, PS4, Xbox One and Switch and it is still the BFG Edition, but without Doom 1 and 2, so if you want just Doom 3, you can get that release. It also doesn't have the multiplayer, which was DOA in the BFG Edition anyway and thanks to that the 2019 re-release is also better for achievement/trophy hunters, because it got rid of the multiplayer achievements/trophies, which are pretty much impossible to get nowdays in the BFG Edition, unless you have friends to play that game with.
Doom 1 and 2 got the Unity port, which is far better port anyway. If you buy it on Steam, you also get the original DOS version with it.
Imagine trying to run doom 3 on dream cast and GameCube
@@Curlyheart It will be possible on GameCube since Doom 3 was ported to the original Xbox.
@@Allistayrian Ya sure?
@@Allistayrian Definitely not, Vicarious Visions had to do some serious optimisation and cut down several sections of the game to get it to run on the Xbox. And the Xbox is far more powerful than the GameCube so if the Xbox could only barely pull it off there’s no chance the GameCube could’ve.
@@Curlyheart Considering the Dreamcast could only just handle the Id Tech 3 engine in Quake 3 there’s no way it could’ve possibly ran Id Tech 4.
That “missing texture” is actually a Baron/Hellknight gloryhole
No. The SNES version exists. And is this port the same as the version that came with Doom 3 in og Xbox?
Actually have you seen the saturn version and 3do version those are worse
That missing texture you mentioned is actually a tiny corridor that allows the imp in the adjacent room to hear you firing your weapons.
This was the version I played when I first played Doom back in 2020.
same but like 2017 or so. and honestly i’m glad it was! i think it’s a totally fine port and it’s what got me in love with DOOM
My condolences.
Worst port for Classic Doom is the 3DO port, and it's not even remotely close.
Granted that version had to be thrown together in like, two months, if not less.
Wrong. Play the 32X version
@@MT_Foxtrott 32X version is damn close, but 3DO version still beats it out.
What I really hated was the slower / nerfed fire rate for the plasma rifle but it was way more noticeable for the chain gun
Try the Sega Saturn version, it's virtually unplayable due to how low the framerate is. It's the only non-VR game that's given me motion sickness.
No rest for the living was a pretty good episode. Shame about it being a part of BFG edition so many people didn't play it.
even if it isnt the worst port of doom 1 and 2 its definitely the worst port of doom 3.
though, no rest for the living is the absolute best thing to come out of it. I LOVE that wad.
entirely because of all the removed content, btw. I dont really care about the rest of the changes they made.
bought this game on steam and still had lots of fun playing doom 1+2
Ditto
@@KesGaming hey there Kes cool to see you here :p
2:21 are you referring to that hole along the ceiling in the alcove? It connects to the nearby 'secret' non-secret room so the imp can hear your gunfire and open the door. I guess they chose not to cover it.
At least is not as bad as the 3DO port... holy shit the 3DO port...
Gmanlives is the man? Uh, sorry, no!
Unfortunately BFG edition is the first DOOM I ever bought, and the iWADs I use for GzDoom are from it. But not playing 1 and 2 directly in the BFG edition makes it not really a big deal
Oh ho lordy this is nowhere near the worst. Sure, this is a pretty bare bones port but at the end of the day, it runs perfectly fine and it’s got all you need. I can think of like, 4 other ports that are worse than this
SNES: technical marvel but looks hideous and runs at molasses pace
32X: atrocious music and is missing several levels
3DO: barely even runs at all and is only vaguely stable when the game is played in the smallest resolution possible. Programmed by a single person in a few weeks. Only upside is it has some sweet custom music
Saturn: a chugging, slow mess that runs terribly because Carmack didn’t let the dev team use their own engine and made them port over the PC version with predictable results
There are soo many worse doom ports like the Sega32x for example
I'm pretty sure this was meant to bring the original DOS experience to modern platforms with a few minor tweaks. Nothing more, nothing less.
I think you might be forgetting about the Sega 32X port with its soundfont that sounds like wet farts
Ah yes, "soundfont". What even is FM synthesis?
You think that's overpriced? One modern game release: Sonic Origins.
Gman's the man? In context of classic Doom?
Bro, this is not good PR for yourself. : D
Just wondering why. Did gman say anything bad about Doom?
@@hazzmati Gatekeeping and basically just disrespecting anyone who doesn't play the way he does.
@@hazzmati Wrote a long, detailed post, but somehow it didn't appear (wtf), so I'll just give you a tl;dr:
He's ignorant, he doesn't research properly, so some of his content presents factually not accurate data (or it's just plain wrong, so much so, that Doomkid made a reaction video of one his "reviews", pointing out a plethora of mistakes, which resulted in Gman deleting his own video), he's gatekeeping, while using GZDoom (which is anything, but an accurate representation of the engine ffs...), and he's not even remotely good in the game, so what's the point in watching him?
After his Sigil "review", he earned an unsub from me, while the comment section gave him a royal shitstorm, rightfully so. It was THAT bad. The dude is a douche potato.
i will at least say i really loved the weapon switching in DOOM 2 on this port. top of the Dpad was shotguns, right was bullet weapons (pistol, chaingun), left was energy weapons (BFG, plasma rifle) and bottom was the rest (chainsaw, rocket launcher, fist). way better than the current DOOM re-releases imo when it comes to weapon management
2:30. In Downtown- Look at the ground at the start of the building with the vines. (The one where the pinkys gang up on you, where you get the rocket launcher) There is a similar missing texture there too.
Yep, as also seen in level 1, the small black square is one end of a tube that allows player-weapon sounds to propagate to a hidden place where monsters are waiting.
I feel lucky because I rented DOOM on PLAYSTATION back in December 1995 and was the best port of DOOM back then .
You mean the ps1 release by Williams?
idk this is just a normal port with missing stuff, atleast it's not like 3DO.
Worst Doom Port? Evidently, you never played the Sega Saturn, SNES, 3DO, Atari Jaguar, Sega 32X, or GBA versions
@@VilifiedOne I'm not saying it isn't, but it lacks content present in the BFG edition
Jaguar and gba versions are good, what is wrong with you ma
@@jedziej Not as good as the BFG edition. The controls alone make the BFG edition better
@@ThunderStruck115 Yea is hard to disagree. But these ports which i mentioned has some unique charm.
when you don't know about the Super Nintendo version
this is how i got my start, even on pc. it was the BFG edition. And now I'm a huge doom fan despite starting on a terrible port. although im glad i put doom 3 down within 10 seconds of getting into game and went to ultimate doom on the BFG edition though. I'm glad I started on a more vanilla version of the game instead of GZDoom with say brutal doom installed.
Lost Mission is really underrated. I mean the Mars section lacks the atmosphere of the main game and RoE, but it's a good chunk of fun followed by what imo is the best Hell section in any official Doom game and it's mostly all cut content from the main game.
Oh wow, I didn't know it was possible for me to hate the BFG edition more than I already did.
Yeah, this isn't the worst port. Sure it's kinda bare bones, but at least it functions, unlike the 3DO, 32X, Gameboy Advance, and the SNES versions
Part of me wants to say the SNES port isn't bad and on a technical level it isn't. The story behind it is very interesting.... and fuck glasses, I have rose colored contacts in for the SNES port, mostly because that was my introduction to Doom.
I will agree it's a terrible way to play Doom. Almost terrible everything. Controls, no rotational sprites, no strafe, no saving... But the music has that charm of being 16bit SNES Doom music. Not redeeming, but fun to listen to.
@@dylanpelo That is the best part about the SNES and 3DO versions. The music. Plus at least the SNES version wasn't as censored as the SNES version of Wolfenstein, which then led to the creation of Super Noah's Ark 3D. Oh wait I mean Super 3D Noah's Ark
Oh Yeah, I tried this prot once and I only spent 5 minutes on that port and just quit after that.. I felt Uncomfortable playing it and I couldn't spend more time with the game..
What about using BFA (BFG Ed source port)?
Does the DooM eternal port count?
Did it have problems? Sure. Far from perfect. But give me this over the Super Nintendo port any day. Lol
Completed this versions of doom 1 and 2 for sake of achievements, to this day my finger which holded left shift hurts xD. It lacks even autorun option, very barebones experience
Can I play brutal doom on this port
short answer: no, the worst port is the 3do version, literally unplayable, just try it
I actually prefer playing doom this way. My first experience with doom was on my psp and the port for that had the same kind of sound as this and I used my 360 alot so for me it's special. The doom 3 portion was wack after having played the pc version especially ROE where they cut out that whole section with the pillar forest. But in short it was a good deal so couldn't complain, got it for like $5-$7.
Dont need to be so nice with the Jaguar version
Why are you recording from a cave?
Have to disagree, one of the best ways to play the game. Good resolution, everything vanilla except the medikit textures that are not that bad, but way more accessible without needing to download a sourceport and infinitely better than DOS and arguably a bit better than Unity.
(Also I got it for 9 cents so I can't complain)
9 cents??? Nice work man
If not for the botched secret levels in Doom II, I'd say the same.
To be fair, downloading and setting up a source port is not hard at all and one would get an infinitely better experience than using the BFG ports.
Though for 9 cents that includes Doom 3 BFG and also NRFTL, it is a great deal and I don't think anyone can complain
How is it better than unity? Unity version is basically like this but better.
Quick reminder that this botched port turned into the _much_ better Unity port that is now bundled with the DOS original on Steam.
Is it normal for Doom to just end after the text which you get after you've beaten the Cyber Demon Lord on Fortress of Mystery? Part of the text says 'now it's on to the final chapter - Inferno', but after pressing the X button, for a split second a menu comes up and then the game ends.
Then you need to continue on to the next episode in the main menu
lost mission is a nice expansion and quick
No, it was never good, not even for the time it came out.
Doom 3 ROE for Xbox already had Doom, Doom 2 and the master levels built in. We could also get Doom & Doom 2 for Xbox 360 in far better quality and they also had achievements for those people. The BFG Edition trash came out much later. Why was BFG Edition created in the first place? Who wanted that garbage? I can kind of understand the PS3 release, but then why not just put the games individually up for download on the PSN marketplace. id and Bethesda would've made far more money that way. Instead, they chose to shit all over Doom 3 and the originals with BFG Edition. What really bothers me is why were the original levels for Doom and Doom 2 so fucked in Doom 2016? Now that's a real headscratcher.
It's almost like the devs have no clue how to make/port doom anymore.
After Ancient Aliens, I would definitely like to see give a shot to Valiant.
Also, when are you getting back at Eviternity.
It's actually better than the PS4 port because you can play the PS3 version online with people, unlike the PS4 version
The 3DO version is worse
I think the problem you have with it is that you're used to source ports like GZDoom and Zandronum, while this is more for the original
3DO doom is wors
Have you played classic Doom and Doom II in Doom Eternal? The port is really basic, but what makes it cool is it's on the virtual screen in the main game while both games are visible and "live".
Considering SNES or 3DO ports are out there, this by far isn't the worst. I doubt it's in the bottom 5. This video is what I dislike about youtubers--such a clickbaity claim with a complete lack of arguments, other than aspect ratio and the lack of Plutonia (which, come on, was Ultimate Doom and it's not part of the package). Low-effort time-waster of a video which almost made me unsub.
Yeah he really didn’t go into detail what was so bad about the port. Had to watch the video twice to make sure I didn’t miss anything…
I got this for ps3…this game single handly reignited my passion for classic doom…I got it just for the doom 1 and 2…now I own a switch and played all the doom games that’s been released on the add ons..still playing doom today..
I got the xbox 360 copy for 15 bucks on amazon and its fine but the wolfenstein levels dont load the enemy skins on
Thats why i modded the stupid red pill medkits to the classic Red cross medkits and Added PSX sounds.
Hey, it's not that bad. I mean, it's for console players... so they wont see any difference
If install the BFG edition onto the 360 hard drive, you can't play DooM 1 or 2.
Also, it's a bitch to put custom Zombieman and shotgun guy and chaingunner deaths which causes the so called "BFG" edition of Doom and Doom II to crash.
calling this the WORST DOOM port is a little much… Saturn? SNES? GBA? all of those are better than this???
This isn't the worst Classic Doom port. I actually made my own that's far, far worse.
Doom BFG Edition PERIOD is the worst Doom ever. And Id only did it, I believe, because losers hated playing a decent game (Doom 3). Best Doom game that holds up with minimum mods to date.