The theory about dragons belonging to certain bloodlines makes a lot of sense. I've always found it strange that familial incest was considered necessary even in old Valyria, because if the point was to keep Valyrian blood or dragonrider blood, the dragonrider families could still marry each other without diluting the blood. However if it's really as you said and a specific line of dragon belong to a specific family, everything suddenly makes perfect sense. I wonder when exactly the Targaryens lost this knowledge. It also makes sense in Dany's storyline, because even if the dragons she hatched weren't from the line of dragons belonging to the Targaryens, her own son (her blood) was one of the sacrifices that brought her dragons to life, so it could be interpreted as Dany recreating this ritual and starting a new line of dragons connected with her bloodline.
My idea for when this knowledge was lost goes in the direction of the time when Aenys Targaryens migrated to Dragonstone because Daenys The Dreamer had a prophetic vision of the doom of Valyria. Aenys didn't seem to have conquering aspirations at all, in fact the only thing he did was survive the doom and not carry on slavery anymore, so his generation might have been the last one actively knowing the exact purpose for familial incest and, after the doom of all the other dragon rider families (let's not forget that other valyrian looking people that survived the doom weren't dragonriders, Velaryon the most obvious one), they decided to not pass this knowledge to their next generations to avoid other people from being corrupted by this power. After all, Aenys seemed pretty a chill guy. So familial incest kept happening but was explained only as a tradition, without giving them details. As for the sacrifice needed to bond a family with dragons, there are three possible explanations s of why Daenerys can hatch and bond her three dragons. The one that you said about her baby dying could be a very good explanation, the simplest one would be that she's a Targaryen and those eggs are the three eggs Elissa Farman stole from their family long time ago, so the bong was always there for her to use it. The third posible explanation is Summerhall... The gost of high heart came to Kingslanding with Jenny and she made prophecies, one of the prince that was promised comming from the line of Aerys and Rhaella, so their father Prince Jahaerys made them marry. But she was also present at the tragedy of Summerhall in 259 AC. We know that Aegon (Egg) was trying to do something with seven eggs, he had wanted to hatch dragons for a long time and maybe he didn't even know exactly what was happening as he caused a fire that killed almost everyone on that tower, but there were three survivors, and the deceased maester sent a letter half destroyed saying "...died, but for the valor of the Lord Command...", implying that those survivors were going to die too. The final count of the deceased ones was Aegon, Prince Duncan, Duncan the Tall and Maester Corso; and the survivors were Rhaella, Raegar and The Woods witch, making that 7 persons to match seven eggs. Maybe I'm spiraling, who knows. The most reasonable explanations would be the other ones, but I just thing summerhall was a weird event
Well, to be fair, even in our world we had Nobles who married their own family, often cousins, because they'd be able to essentially keep the power within the family, and they didn't exaclty have any magical blood or anything. So it's possible they did it to keep their own monopoly on their family's holding. Just saying.
If the dragons have the souls of dead Valyrians, and the dragons are named after Valyrian gods, I think for sure the Valyrians practiced ancestral worship pre-Doom. This would make total sense, and echoes what Daenerys says at the start of ACOK, that her House is her god (hence why she names her dragons after family members - in a way restarting the cycle by deifying her kin). So Dany has some ingrained understanding of this concept, but the maesters don't. The idea that these gods are ancestors was probably lost somewhere along the way, and the maesters misrecorded it with their Westerosi understanding of what gods are. That to me is the most interesting theory, anyway.
Hold up! If the Emperors/Empresses were more Dynasties than actual individuals, wouldn’t that make the Bloodstone Emperor more of a cultural movement/uprising? What if they were a dark religious cult that grew to dominance at the end of the Amethyst Dynasty, forcing those who clung to their old ways into exile (essentially killing them), leading them to flee to, and establish Valyria. This would explain why the Valyrians resemble the penultimate ‘race’ of the Great Empire. The Bloodstone Dynasty then consumed itself in its obsession with their dark blood magic ways, which led to the collapse and ‘spoiling’ of Ashai.
I think The Empire of the Dawn had previously used dragons and blood magic, which brought upon them the long night. In order to end the long night they had to sacrifice in battle most of their dragons and quit their blood magic practices. The Bloodstone Emperor might have brought back those practices and established the breakaway civilization of Valyria, or maybe the Bloodstone clan were the only ones who still had dragons bound to them. The dragon dreams seem to be something less common than dragon riding in Valyria, so I think Daenys had the privilege to be exposed to old and exclusive knowledge of the effects of blood magic, which informed their decisions in their constant struggle to stay at the top of the Valyrian power pyramid.
Tbh a better “house of the dragon” idea would be exploring targaryens during the century of blood from Aenar to aerion. Maybe exploring how Gaemon the glorious got his title
@@DavidLightbringer I have this weird theory that Gaemon the glorious fought at the battle of Qohor and helped to turn the tide of the battle. To show their gratitude Qohori smiths forged him two Valyrian steel swords: dark sister and blackfyre. Blackfyre named after his black dragon (young Balerion). The targaryens appear to have some sort of a “protection racket” of sorts with the free cities. Aegon protects the triarchy against Volantis. Jaehaerys is called to mediate a dispute between Pentos and Braavos.
A PayPal I missed from Nayana asks: " If you didn't already, could you talk about the symbolism of Aegon the conqueror and his sisters? And what do you think was written in the letter Aegon received from Dorne after Rhaenys' death? Could Rhaenys' death be symbolic to the explosion of the first moon? Love your channel, keep up the good work!" So yes, Rhaenys''s and Meraxes's death are 100% moon death / dragons coming form the moon symbols. It's one of the best ones! It's very much a part of the symbolism of the conquerors.. I got into it some about halfway through the Sheepstealer stream last week, and the original scripted breakdown is in an old podcast series called Moons of Ice and Fire; the one you want is "Visenya Draconis." Everything you want and much more is there. It's some of the best symbolism in the story, so thanks for asking and enjoy! ua-cam.com/video/JPh6iqu7g7g/v-deo.html As for the Dornish letter: I mean to answer that and I forgot! So, whatever was in there, it was some truth that he could only verify by going to dragonstone... where he might have had a glass candle! The letter said something about Rhaenys, some truth he verified with the candle. I don't know what that is, but I just cannot believe the Targaryens have no candles on dragonstone - it's just a long piece of obsidian, and there's lots of that on Dragonstone
I find it so interesting that if the Great Empire of the Dawn ended up becoming the Valyrians through the Amethyst Empress, that means the same bloodlines have created huge empires and fallen twice, three times if you count Westeros. The way the Great Empire broke up is so similar to how the Free Cities did after Valyria, and how that could easily happen with Westeros by the end of the series.
I've got a suspicion that the Lazarene are distant relations to the original Valyrians that were shepherds. Think about it. The Lazarene worship "The Great Shepherd". I'm thinking there's a high probability that the original Valyrians, the O.G. V's if you will, were related to the ancient Lazarene and they split because someone started teaching the blood magic to bind dragons and the Lazarene just wanted no part of that blood magic for whatever reason.
Could the original Valyrians have been able to skinchange dragons, but in order to pass on the control to more people, they realised that they should sacrifice one skinchanger for the good of a family being able to bond with that warped dragon and her descendants? (Only an hour in, let’s see where this goes…)
Ooo, that’s definitely my favourite theory that I’ve heard about “the dragon has three heads”, and also how that ties into the Sphinx. That’s bothered me forever. I’m down with the fact that it’s about Sarella, but I always felt there was more to it. Same with the three heads thing. Always thought it was more than “three dragon riders”. I love this.
Just wanted to say I’m a new fan but wow man you are incredible with your explanations on multiple theories and how much attention to detail you involve in your videos. Can’t wait to see what the future videos hold, and I’ll definitely be looking into the vids that have already been posted 😎
@@TheTam0613 Nice to meet you, I’m thrilled to be here! Thank you very much for the warm welcome 🤗 so I was a fan of the GoT TV show to begin with, and I have always been extremely interested in the lore. I took a bit of a break after season 8, but with the excitement surrounding HOTD I decided I would read the books as well. Best decision I’ve ever made, I just finished the first book of ASOIAF and can’t wait to start reading the second. You are so right about David, although I’m new I can already tell he has a real love for the world GRRM created. His descriptions of lore and explanations for theories really are the best I’ve seen on UA-cam and I can’t wait to check out the rest of his stuff!
YES THANK YOU, I was screaming at my computer about how it's so obvious summer islanders would be connected to Valyria because the book flat out says they traded with them feather cloaks and exotic pets I'm SO glad you remembered that!!!
Also you're blowing my MIND with these theories about dragonkin and the doom, you've 100% convinced me that this is what George had in mind - I'm totally in agreement!
I think this is an interesting idea. We know that Morquorro (sp?) tells Victarion he "MUST claim the horn with blood." What if that claiming includes a familial sacrifice (for the dragon-warger) it makes way more sense that Euron sent Victarion to slavers bay to get Dany with dragonbinder knowing he'd try to claim Dany for himself and that he'd also try to claim dragonbinder himself but can't because once he tries to it will be bound to Euron through HIS sacrificing Victarion to claim it? 😳😳😳
The city with the word Mhysa being the mother, the first Valyrian city, makes sense. In Israel, the city of Petah Tikva is also known as "the mother of colonies"
That doesn’t make sense, “Mhysa” is an old Ghiscari word that comes from the tongue that the Ghiscari spoke before they were forced to speak Valyrian. Why would a Valyrian city on the Valyrian peninsula have a Ghiscari name? Much less the very first Valyrian city that would certainly predate the conquest of Slaver’s Bay by the Valyrians.
2:20:00 Aenar "John Brown" Targaryen, first of his name... I'm here for it. Can someone Photoshop John Brown in a suit of armor against a backdrop of dragons breathing fire?
What if balerions wound to his side was him digging the worms out of his own skin. Nothing on planetos could hurt the black dread, but his own claws and teeth are well known for damaging dragons. If the worms got both of them, maybe he was more resistant due to being fully dragon, but she had partial resistance due to her being a partial dragon.
I’m almost certain someone’s brought this up before, but Azor Ahai killed his wife Nissa Nissa to make the sword Lightbringer that he used to end the long night, and a lot of people think he was Valyrian or more likely an ancestor of the Valyrians. The Valyrians marry brother to sister, and The Bloodstone Emperor killed his sister, The Amethyst Empress. Maybe they were married or meant to be married? The Bloodstone Emperor being Azor Ahai doesn’t line up with the timeline I think, So I’m guessing this is a parallel maybe? Or even a character thing from George, like both the “hero” and the “villain” killed someone for power or something
1:14:00 Daemon and Rhaenyra have a lizard baby, yes. But think again....how did Laena die? That's 2 lizard babies from Daemon, one from Rhaenyra and one from Laena. Plus Maegor's. And Daenerys' baby....which, I dunno if Rhaego counts. I truly think Mirri caused him to become a lizard baby with her blood magic....
Is it me or does Dreamfyre - and her eggs - have a close proximity to a lot of child deaths in particular? Maybe it's just that she lays so many, but both of her riders also lost children and died shortly after. Maegor's stillbirth were while Rhaena was his wife, and she soon followed a similar fate. Laena was also her rider. Dany's eggs are theorized to be Dreamfyres.
@@VAL420 Laena rode Vhagar, not Dreamfyre. BUT!!! Laena was the babe in the cradle whose hatchling came out blind and disformed and bite a chunk from her tiny arm....and I do believe that was one of Dreamfyre's eggs!!!! So, almost another child death with another of Draemfyre's eggs.....hmmmmmmmm 🤔 Oh my!....and there's something else involving Laena, but I don't want to put up any spoilers if you or others haven't been a gigantic nerd like me and read all the books...lol #CurioserAndCurioser
Is it me or does Dreamfyre - and her eggs - have a close proximity to a lot of child deaths in particular? Maybe it's just that she lays so many, but both of her riders also lost children and died shortly after. Maegor's stillbirth were while Rhaena was his wife, and she soon followed a similar fate. Laena was also her rider. Dany's eggs are theorized to be Dreamfyres.
watching this again: Melisandre confirms that descent is important re. magic with all her "king's blood" insistence. The Valyrians were absolutely trying to concentrate ancestral blood within their families because of a magical connection to their dragons. In the case of the families mentioned as less incestuous, they may have had a tradition of more regular sacrifice (likely well covered up as normal death and cremation). Re. the lemurs, they sound like another fun experiment with blood magic and the white wyrms, to make not Valyrians but other hybrid "beasts" like they were messing with in Gogossos
shower thought: it was common medieval practice to name kids after family members, like to a goofy extent (how many "Matilda"s existed at the same time c. 1100? ever read a badly edited book about that time the king was Henry and then he crowned his son Henry co-king? ughhh) but the Targs never name anyone after a living relative, the names only get re-used after they die. I think this started as a blood magic thing wherein the new baby was somehow invested with the spirit of the dead relative or something, but has now just turned into re-using the name, in order to keep the familially bonded dragons happy and bonded. The dragons would just lose their minds if they thought you were trying to pass off a new baby as someone they knew was alive, and they clearly know to some extent because they bond for life with their riders
I love the idea that Cannibal was purely a wild dragon, or at least not descended from any Targaryen dragon. But I think Cannibal having purely wild ancestry would make sense with your sacrifice theory and the Valyrians being kin to the dragons themselves. If Cannibal was pureblood wild, he might not have recognised the other dragons as actually being the same species. They named him Cannibal, as if it was a unique trait. Clearly dragons, like most species, don't eat each other often. So why does Cannibal? Maybe he's just kind of nuts, or maybe there's something deeper here. And then there's Sheepstealer. GRRM has deliberately left it open as to whether Nettles was dragonseed or not. The fact he's trying to get us to question this to me implies that Nettles had no Targaryen ancestry, but she DID have dragonlord ancestry. I think Sheepstealer was descended from a dragon from the founding of dragonstone, as in whatever lineage of dragons on the island predated Targaryen dragon arrival. And Nettles was descended from the rider(s) who founded the outpost originally. So essentially there are three separate bloodlines of dragons on Dragonstone. Whichever dragonlord founded the trade outpost, wild dragons that were probably already there (Cannibal's bloodline), given a wild dragon naturally would roam way further than tamed ones for food, and then finally the Targaryen ones. Eventually these bloodlines merged into one as the dragons interbred, but two stragglers remained, Cannibal and Sheepstealer. And what makes this even more likely in my opinion is that dragon eggs can go dormant, as shown by Dany's eggs. Perhaps the bloodlines did fully merge at one point, but the dragonkeepers found abandoned eggs on dragonstone, that might have remained unhatched for decades or even centuries. They thought they might as well hatch them, not realising it was a bad idea, as they assumed Targaryens could tame any dragon.
the Aeneid takes place after the fall of troy cassandra was blessed with foresight but cursed in that she lost the ability to convince people . love your stuff though
I rewound and just realised I don't have any of the social media platforms to follow on. Maybe mention it at the top of another livestream when/if you do end up in that podcast....??
My wife isn’t even a fan of the series, but she has to listen to me talk about it all the time. She posited that because Targs possibly bred with reptiles, this might be why their familial interbreeding works out okay. Apparently, reptiles can inbreed plenty with only very rarely having adverse results.
Unpopular opinion probably but I think the Targaryen incest is justified. They have magical blood that maybe they shouldn't dilute. The Starks also had some incest in past generations and I think that's why the skin changer gene persevered. Even if it was dormant for a few generations. Edit: Valerian steel is probably made with fused stone corrupted by the blood sacrifice. Not quite oily black stone but similar.
@@DavidLightbringer English is my second language so your probably right. I just meant that there's obviously a reason why it was common in Valeria. They're not scared of loosing the ability to ride dragons either. It's more like I think they're justified in their beliefs even if in regular society it wouldn't be.
I always look at it as this: can't get mad at the lizard people for doing weird lizard people things. It seems a lot of Targaryens couldn't even control their attraction to their family members, like it was coded in their DNA. It's still gross, but "it is what it is" 🤷♀️
came in to the stream very late, started from the beginning, didn't get this paypal in before you ended - can nissa nissa be both a GEotD-looking person and a child of the forest/green woman? seems like there isn’t much overlap in appearance between the two groups but maybe im wrong about that. i can see her being either a valyrian-looking person or a green woman/tiger looking person, but can’t really picture her looking like both at the same time
Hey Thomas. So, this is a huge an excellent question, and I answered it in a stream called "The Weirwood Goddesses." There are a few ways it could work out, each worthy of discussion. There are some artists who have created some Valyrian looking elf women that I showed in the stream too. That's the ticket you want my friend, and thank you! ua-cam.com/video/6OEqCsmAcRw/v-deo.html
@@DavidLightbringer thanks for the quick reply! and the excellent content as always! i have seen weirwood goddesses (and all your videos/streams) but looks like i need a refresher! thanks!
@@DavidLightbringer is it possible the bloodstone emperor sister was the evil one that she is the night queen a Lilith like character but because he’s the man of the family he gets blamed for all her actions
It all makes sense now. Of course I love your voicing, I am a lover of TMV myself. Amputecure is my favourite album by them, but I realise most peolple like Deloused and Bedlam in Goliath
I love Valeryon name theory. It didn’t make sense to me if a house came from Valeria named Valeryon, they must be powerful to have the freehold named after them (perhaps the founding family), but how could they be powerful there without being dragon riders? Having them be low born people from Valeria makes way more sense.
I see your Warriors "The Bay" shirt has brought you some good luck! Going up 3-0, with a very Vince Carter-esque "Poster-ization" dunk from Wiggins on Doncic no less, has to feel pretty good. I'll be the first to admit I thought the Mavs would push Golden State in this series but the Dubs have proven as they have over and over these past several years that their is no substitute for playoff experience. I think it is pretty safe to say that the Warriors are Finals bound; although Draymond would probably remind us that the intensity needs to remain until the deed is actually done. Out East with Jimmy Butler's status up in the air who knows what'll happen, even if the Heat are up 2-1 right now. So I wonder, though it is just complete speculation at this point, how do you think a Championship this year would measure up to the other recent Warriors titles? There is no title like the first; those will always be hard to compete with. But against the "KD" era titles I think this one would be much sweeter, especially given the Dubs weren't obvious favorites like those '17&'18 winning teams. They still have a ways to go, but with only 5 wins between them and Championship Glory it is hard not to dream a little.
no, we are winning this title I think, it's not wring to see that. It's not people's fault for not seeing it; we were playing very inconsistently before with all of our injuries and some guys trying to find their role. Memphis REALLY helped us round into shape, I give them credit for raising our intensity. Once we got to playing with that level of high focus, we haven't lost it, and now we look like the only real championship team. Boston's flaws are being mercilessly exploited by Miami (Spoelstra is so good!), but Miami is severely limited themselves on offense. I think either team is barbecued chicken against us if we keep playing this way, which I believe we will. Our experience is REALLY showing up at the end of these games, right? This title would mean A LOT, to answer your question. A lot because of the injuries they've had to overcome, because of all the endless shit-talking against Steph and the unbelievable lack of respect for his greatness, because it means we've been to 6 Finals in 8 years (with chances for more) and that really puts us on a short list with the all-time dynasties. It would mean A LOT.
@@DavidLightbringer I hadn't put much thought into Dynasties until you brought it up but if the Warriors pull this off it makes them very unique as far as "modern" dynasties go. Everyone usually thinks of dynasties as teams who win multiple titles in a row; like the Shaq & Kobe Lakers from '00-'02 or the 90s Bulls being the prime example. Though some do, I wouldn't call the Tim Duncan era in San Antonio a dynasty since their 5 titles, '99, '03, '05, '07, '14 were spread out over 15 years (outside the three from '03-'07). A great run no doubt but dynasty just doesn't seem to fit in their case. But the Warriors don't really fit any of those examples. Their titles (and possible '22 title) would be spread out like San Antonio but not over as long a period; plus they have back to back titles in '17-'18 which San Antonio never did. And like the Bulls they put up a record setting Wins season, even if they didn't win the championship that year. And they also have clear "eras" to their dynasty, while dynasties of the past usually only have one era (or two if you're the Bulls). I'd say there are 3; pre-KD, KD, post-KD. Because of the whole Durant era, it'll be very interesting to see how history views this Warriors dynasty. I think most people tend to forget the Warriors won 73 games before Durant. I also think people tend to forget that Steph has won multiple MVPs, though this playoffs he is reminding everyone. Furthermore, the trips they made to the Finals and lost should not count *against* them as so many people do to teams that are runners-up. Losing a Game 7 to Lebron is about as close as you get to a title without winning and the '19 Warriors were simply snake-bitten with untimely injuries. That's not an excuse, it's a fact. So I guess on a more "Macro level", where do you think these Warriors stack up to the dynasties of the past? (I'd say we exclude anything before the 80s at least, since the game was extremely different) I'd also like to add that their style of play and Curry's personal style especially, deserve to be taken into account since it has completely changed the way the 3 point shot is viewed and thus has changed the NBA itself.
I wonder if the oily black stone is like dragon slime, similar to how oysters produce slime that becomes pearl and over time it lost colour , it would make sense with asshai being influenced by Eastern mythology and in that mythology dragons are associated with pearls
Besides Nettles and SheepStealer, Dany's dragons love eating sheep. 🐑 Plus the Christian themes are fun. Sheep = Christians + Dragon = Satan Explains a lot about why the Valerians were so evil to slaves and whatnot Edit: I'm excited for Euron to potentially get a dragon from his "missing" egg
I think before the ghiz wars. The poplution of valyria was probly to small for slavery to work. Add the extra space after that war of poeple that where there enemy. Made alot easyer to start it
when reading TWOIAF... old valyria gives straight up *yahtzee* vibes. 14 flames. slaves working to death, blood magik, occultism, conquering for treasures, dragons/blitzkrieg.. the "right hair and eye colors"...etc. that's all I could think about.. I can see the Roman empire too but mostly Valiyria paralleled WW2 for me.. anyone else? it's crazy the real world can be comparable to a fantasy book even though everything is derivative of everything.
I mean it's the same, saffron is the most expensive spice in the world since every flower makes only 3 strands, and I believe each plant flowers only once
You need to drink some hot water with fresh lemon and ginger for your voice!!! Loved the video as always!!! Go WARRIORS!!! My sons fav player is Steph Curry.
Lemur theory doesn’t seem to jive with sheep theory though? To clarify (sorry for the edit): If Valyrians lost dragon-tech and then re-discovered it by taming wild dragons with sheep, they still would have needed magic to establish the bond.
i absolutely love your videos. i listen to them at work everyday, and it makes me so happy to hear other people that care about ASOIF theory as much as me. maybe its just because im not watching, im just listening, but you click your tongue/suck your teeth a thousand times lol. its probably bc im only listening and its also my pet peeve, so i know the problem is with me. but i want to keep listening, i just cannot stamd the sound. do you think you could turn down your mic sensitivity or mute your mic after you drink? lol im so sorry i love your videos
ofocurse. the lemure makes so much sense. in the animal kingdom, the male often devoers the ofspring of other males to make room for his own. thats why canibal id going around munching, because he is of a different lineage.
On the topic of firewyrms, and fused black stone predating the valyrians, could it be possible that the GEOD dragonlords could have actually been firewyrm-lords using wyrmfire to fuse stone with valyrians later mixing wyvern and wyrm to create dragons and improving upon the process? Firewyrms could have been found in a volcano in westeros and used to create the fortress on battle isle as well as bore the tunnels through it. I only say they would have been found in westeros instead of brought there because the idea putting even a baby firewyrm on a wooden ship for a long sea voyage seems like a bad idea.
haha so I've thought this entire thing through and yes you can't help but arrive at the idea of trying to put a caged fireworm on a wooden boat and it being a bad idea, lol. I don't think George is imagining that people ever controlled the fireworms, because that would just be too much like Dune, and there aren't volcanoes anywhere near Oldtown. So no I don't think that's the answer. If Azor Ahai is a dragonlord, there HAVE to be dragonlords before Valyria
Do we know the Valyrians themselves practiced incest? I always thought the Targaryens just did that because there weren't many of Valyrian descent in Westeros. However if they did, then that would explain a LOT about how the Great Empire of the Dawn had multi-ethnic dragon lords. And it also could work well with the Velaryons being dark skinned in House of the Dragon. It would explain why they weren't dragon lords back in the day. They physically couldn't be until they had a Targaryen in their family line, despite the fact they clearly had considerable classic Valyrian blood shown through their hair colour. Granted the show isn't canon though. It's also interesting that if this is the case the Valyrians evidently chose to practice incest instead of a dragonlord willingly allowing themselves to be brutally sacrificed every generation or so. They brutalised slaves for their empire but weren't willing to suffer a similar fate to ensure it continued. Also, here's a scary thought. What if it works in reverse? What if you don't have to sacrifice your parent/grandparent. What if all that matters is how close your blood matches the one who was sacrificed? Because if that's the case, Euron might be able to tame a dragon more permanently by sacrificing his sons. We already know he views them as worth little more than possible blood sacrifice given he's using his unborn child as one.
I think the creation of dragons absolutely had something to do with blood magic and a sacrifice of Targaryen ancestor and that's why the magic is in the family and has to be kept in the family.
That's why they say they are the blood of the dragon and why they sometimes they have dragon babies, which we already say. But I think the reason why those two things happen goes back to the creation of the dragons and sacrifice.
alsooo I 10000% support the theory that Tyrion is Targaryen and the third head. I think a secondary passive trait of the Lannisters is Greed and they always wanted an in to the Targaryen family and their power. I think their karma for that or the consequences of that generational desire was Johanna being stolen by Aerys and then the Lann's being given deformed Tyrion.
A defense for the ending: Let me start by saying I personally, like many, hated the ending, because it was not well written, it was not well thought-out, and it was not SATISFYING. But the last part , in some respects, may have been the point. In many ways, when it comes to fiction, and especially fantasy, we are conditioned to want a satisfying ending. And we call that GOOD storytelling. That a story should include certain beats, and should culminate is satisfying character arcs , and whether the story ends happily, tragically, or bitter-sweetly...we still expect that it ends in a satisfying manner. The characters we love should have their arcs completed. The relevant plot points should be resolved, and the many questions should be answered. We call this satisfying. We call it good writing. My response though, ( I dont think highly enough of D and D to think this was their goal) is that sometimes, if a story doesn't deliver a satisfying ending...that could be more meaningful. Because that IS life and IS history. Not all stories end well. Our own lives often do not end well. We all have stories that do not get their resolve. We don't always get the right answers, the right finales, and complete arcs. Some of us die randomly and tragically , our stories cut short. The mechanisms and politics of life often subvert what should be the obvious choices, because millions of real factors and choices effect what would be considered in fiction "lazy writing." SO to have a story, that so OFTEN subverted expectations, you could say that the greatest subversion is to deliver an ending that would satisfy everyone. ( Not only do I think it is impossible to satisfy everyone) The very idea that such an incredible and often times realistic story maybe should NOT have a satisfying end, because that would be unfaithful to life and history. Even in fiction, maybe the story doesn't end well. Not just that an ending could be tragic ( many are) or not happy ( also many stories end unhappily) but the idea that the story isn't resolved correctly is an added touch of realism. Good writing isn't always true to a good story, because it isn't truth. Sometimes what really happens is unsatisfying, dull, grim or even pointless...because that is how many real stories end.
The Mars Volta is such a good band. Keep it up man! Love the lore vids. My question is if the current people of Yi Ti are supposed to be based on China, would the Great Empire of the Dawn also be Chinese based?
Love your vids - budgeting to become a subsquisher ....Just listening to you saying the The Vale is most certainly upon a dormant volcano and comparable to Old Valyria - it seems quite certainly true considering the name "the Vale'" and the "Eyrie," LOL Vale-Eyrie, uhhhhhh....
The theory about dragons belonging to certain bloodlines makes a lot of sense. I've always found it strange that familial incest was considered necessary even in old Valyria, because if the point was to keep Valyrian blood or dragonrider blood, the dragonrider families could still marry each other without diluting the blood. However if it's really as you said and a specific line of dragon belong to a specific family, everything suddenly makes perfect sense. I wonder when exactly the Targaryens lost this knowledge. It also makes sense in Dany's storyline, because even if the dragons she hatched weren't from the line of dragons belonging to the Targaryens, her own son (her blood) was one of the sacrifices that brought her dragons to life, so it could be interpreted as Dany recreating this ritual and starting a new line of dragons connected with her bloodline.
See, I totally thought that this bloodline thing proved the eggs Dany had were the ones Elissa Farman stole. I didn’t even think about her baby!
My idea for when this knowledge was lost goes in the direction of the time when Aenys Targaryens migrated to Dragonstone because Daenys The Dreamer had a prophetic vision of the doom of Valyria. Aenys didn't seem to have conquering aspirations at all, in fact the only thing he did was survive the doom and not carry on slavery anymore, so his generation might have been the last one actively knowing the exact purpose for familial incest and, after the doom of all the other dragon rider families (let's not forget that other valyrian looking people that survived the doom weren't dragonriders, Velaryon the most obvious one), they decided to not pass this knowledge to their next generations to avoid other people from being corrupted by this power. After all, Aenys seemed pretty a chill guy. So familial incest kept happening but was explained only as a tradition, without giving them details.
As for the sacrifice needed to bond a family with dragons, there are three possible explanations s of why Daenerys can hatch and bond her three dragons. The one that you said about her baby dying could be a very good explanation, the simplest one would be that she's a Targaryen and those eggs are the three eggs Elissa Farman stole from their family long time ago, so the bong was always there for her to use it. The third posible explanation is Summerhall...
The gost of high heart came to Kingslanding with Jenny and she made prophecies, one of the prince that was promised comming from the line of Aerys and Rhaella, so their father Prince Jahaerys made them marry. But she was also present at the tragedy of Summerhall in 259 AC. We know that Aegon (Egg) was trying to do something with seven eggs, he had wanted to hatch dragons for a long time and maybe he didn't even know exactly what was happening as he caused a fire that killed almost everyone on that tower, but there were three survivors, and the deceased maester sent a letter half destroyed saying "...died, but for the valor of the Lord Command...", implying that those survivors were going to die too. The final count of the deceased ones was Aegon, Prince Duncan, Duncan the Tall and Maester Corso; and the survivors were Rhaella, Raegar and The Woods witch, making that 7 persons to match seven eggs. Maybe I'm spiraling, who knows. The most reasonable explanations would be the other ones, but I just thing summerhall was a weird event
@@sanctuary6689 they are she was gifted them and I think they are dreamfyres eggs illario was very rich I’m sure he bought them
Well, to be fair, even in our world we had Nobles who married their own family, often cousins, because they'd be able to essentially keep the power within the family, and they didn't exaclty have any magical blood or anything.
So it's possible they did it to keep their own monopoly on their family's holding. Just saying.
Cool
If the dragons have the souls of dead Valyrians, and the dragons are named after Valyrian gods, I think for sure the Valyrians practiced ancestral worship pre-Doom. This would make total sense, and echoes what Daenerys says at the start of ACOK, that her House is her god (hence why she names her dragons after family members - in a way restarting the cycle by deifying her kin). So Dany has some ingrained understanding of this concept, but the maesters don't. The idea that these gods are ancestors was probably lost somewhere along the way, and the maesters misrecorded it with their Westerosi understanding of what gods are. That to me is the most interesting theory, anyway.
Interesting that dany was with sheep herders when she gave birth to dragons
And she burned one during her Pyre dragon ritual 👀
Hold up!
If the Emperors/Empresses were more Dynasties than actual individuals, wouldn’t that make the Bloodstone Emperor more of a cultural movement/uprising?
What if they were a dark religious cult that grew to dominance at the end of the Amethyst Dynasty, forcing those who clung to their old ways into exile (essentially killing them), leading them to flee to, and establish Valyria. This would explain why the Valyrians resemble the penultimate ‘race’ of the Great Empire.
The Bloodstone Dynasty then consumed itself in its obsession with their dark blood magic ways, which led to the collapse and ‘spoiling’ of Ashai.
Yes this is a god hypothetical scenario. I agree the gems are more likely to be dynasties or clans
This also would explain Valyria being a place where religious freedom was of notable importance.
I think The Empire of the Dawn had previously used dragons and blood magic, which brought upon them the long night. In order to end the long night they had to sacrifice in battle most of their dragons and quit their blood magic practices. The Bloodstone Emperor might have brought back those practices and established the breakaway civilization of Valyria, or maybe the Bloodstone clan were the only ones who still had dragons bound to them. The dragon dreams seem to be something less common than dragon riding in Valyria, so I think Daenys had the privilege to be exposed to old and exclusive knowledge of the effects of blood magic, which informed their decisions in their constant struggle to stay at the top of the Valyrian power pyramid.
Tbh a better “house of the dragon” idea would be exploring targaryens during the century of blood from Aenar to aerion. Maybe exploring how Gaemon the glorious got his title
That’s a real blank spot; you could put just about anything in there
@@DavidLightbringer I have this weird theory that Gaemon the glorious fought at the battle of Qohor and helped to turn the tide of the battle. To show their gratitude Qohori smiths forged him two Valyrian steel swords: dark sister and blackfyre. Blackfyre named after his black dragon (young Balerion). The targaryens appear to have some sort of a “protection racket” of sorts with the free cities. Aegon protects the triarchy against Volantis. Jaehaerys is called to mediate a dispute between Pentos and Braavos.
I don't think that's something a tv audience would be interested in.
I’ve always wanted that time period explored. So much potential
@@PatrickLongblkwhtrbbt I think that there’d be more political drama than a westeros based show
Bro your catalog is absolutely crazy 🔥🔥🔥. I've been binging your stuff for several days now. HOT D is bringing out your best.
Ah thank you! And yes fresh material has been great, we were beating the old stuff to death. We’ll go back to it when TWOW is coming
@@DavidLightbringer lol winds isn't coming
A PayPal I missed from Nayana asks: " If you didn't already, could you talk about the symbolism of Aegon the conqueror and his sisters? And what do you think was written in the letter Aegon received from Dorne after Rhaenys' death? Could Rhaenys' death be symbolic to the explosion of the first moon? Love your channel, keep up the good work!"
So yes, Rhaenys''s and Meraxes's death are 100% moon death / dragons coming form the moon symbols. It's one of the best ones! It's very much a part of the symbolism of the conquerors.. I got into it some about halfway through the Sheepstealer stream last week, and the original scripted breakdown is in an old podcast series called Moons of Ice and Fire; the one you want is "Visenya Draconis." Everything you want and much more is there. It's some of the best symbolism in the story, so thanks for asking and enjoy!
ua-cam.com/video/JPh6iqu7g7g/v-deo.html
As for the Dornish letter: I mean to answer that and I forgot! So, whatever was in there, it was some truth that he could only verify by going to dragonstone... where he might have had a glass candle! The letter said something about Rhaenys, some truth he verified with the candle. I don't know what that is, but I just cannot believe the Targaryens have no candles on dragonstone - it's just a long piece of obsidian, and there's lots of that on Dragonstone
sorry for hijacking your comment, but how do i get the song that you wrote, the one with the funky bass, based on the GoT theme
I find it so interesting that if the Great Empire of the Dawn ended up becoming the Valyrians through the Amethyst Empress, that means the same bloodlines have created huge empires and fallen twice, three times if you count Westeros. The way the Great Empire broke up is so similar to how the Free Cities did after Valyria, and how that could easily happen with Westeros by the end of the series.
Makes a lot of sense when you put it that way doesn’t it ;)
Dracomorph theory is the most horrific sh*t ever. But its pretty damn awesome! Great stream. Thanks🙏🏾
I've got a suspicion that the Lazarene are distant relations to the original Valyrians that were shepherds. Think about it. The Lazarene worship "The Great Shepherd". I'm thinking there's a high probability that the original Valyrians, the O.G. V's if you will, were related to the ancient Lazarene and they split because someone started teaching the blood magic to bind dragons and the Lazarene just wanted no part of that blood magic for whatever reason.
Or it could be like how the Etruscans cam before the Romans.
Woah, the similarity of Aenar to Aeneas just blew my mind 💥
Could the original Valyrians have been able to skinchange dragons, but in order to pass on the control to more people, they realised that they should sacrifice one skinchanger for the good of a family being able to bond with that warped dragon and her descendants? (Only an hour in, let’s see where this goes…)
Ooo, that’s definitely my favourite theory that I’ve heard about “the dragon has three heads”, and also how that ties into the Sphinx. That’s bothered me forever. I’m down with the fact that it’s about Sarella, but I always felt there was more to it. Same with the three heads thing. Always thought it was more than “three dragon riders”. I love this.
Just wanted to say I’m a new fan but wow man you are incredible with your explanations on multiple theories and how much attention to detail you involve in your videos. Can’t wait to see what the future videos hold, and I’ll definitely be looking into the vids that have already been posted 😎
Welcome! David’s got a solid community building here and it’s cool that you found your way to the channel!
@@TheTam0613 Nice to meet you, I’m thrilled to be here! Thank you very much for the warm welcome 🤗 so I was a fan of the GoT TV show to begin with, and I have always been extremely interested in the lore. I took a bit of a break after season 8, but with the excitement surrounding HOTD I decided I would read the books as well. Best decision I’ve ever made, I just finished the first book of ASOIAF and can’t wait to start reading the second. You are so right about David, although I’m new I can already tell he has a real love for the world GRRM created. His descriptions of lore and explanations for theories really are the best I’ve seen on UA-cam and I can’t wait to check out the rest of his stuff!
@@sanctuary6689 thank you for the welcome!😁 I am more than happy to join, and look forward to watching this awesome community grow!
Tying up HOTD & fire & blood to the main story. Just what I needed 😎
Thanks for another great stream! It made for fantastic listening while fishing today
Loving the Aenar "John Brown" Targaryan bit 👌 perfect
Hell yeah fight the power
I’m so grateful for your work and your vibe.
YES THANK YOU, I was screaming at my computer about how it's so obvious summer islanders would be connected to Valyria because the book flat out says they traded with them feather cloaks and exotic pets I'm SO glad you remembered that!!!
Also you're blowing my MIND with these theories about dragonkin and the doom, you've 100% convinced me that this is what George had in mind - I'm totally in agreement!
Also sidenote I hope your voice is feeling better my man, you sounded so spent at the end there, take care!!!
Could the Dragonbinder horns be the method through which Valyrians put a human spirit into a dragon?
yeah perhaps! I hadn't thought of that, but... yeah, totally. Dragon-binder. Makes a lot of sense
I think this is an interesting idea. We know that Morquorro (sp?) tells Victarion he "MUST claim the horn with blood." What if that claiming includes a familial sacrifice (for the dragon-warger) it makes way more sense that Euron sent Victarion to slavers bay to get Dany with dragonbinder knowing he'd try to claim Dany for himself and that he'd also try to claim dragonbinder himself but can't because once he tries to it will be bound to Euron through HIS sacrificing Victarion to claim it? 😳😳😳
No
The city with the word Mhysa being the mother, the first Valyrian city, makes sense.
In Israel, the city of Petah Tikva is also known as "the mother of colonies"
That doesn’t make sense, “Mhysa” is an old Ghiscari word that comes from the tongue that the Ghiscari spoke before they were forced to speak Valyrian. Why would a Valyrian city on the Valyrian peninsula have a Ghiscari name? Much less the very first Valyrian city that would certainly predate the conquest of Slaver’s Bay by the Valyrians.
Petah Tikva was established by old yishuv Jews in 1878 before the Zionist movement it was the first new Jewish town in Palestine in 2,000 years
@@footballfan5462 this would be like if that settlement was named “mother of colonies” but in Arabic instead of Hebrew.
kinda tuned out for a minute on another tab and heard "the ghosts are in the lemures" ok. wasn't ready for that
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Aenar "John Brown" Targaryen, first of his name... I'm here for it.
Can someone Photoshop John Brown in a suit of armor against a backdrop of dragons breathing fire?
Again, thoroughly researched, and a lot of fun besides! Learned a lot about Lemurs :-)
had so much fun with this thanks, specially the dragons having spirits or DNA of ancestors and all that
This is really one of David's best streams
Oh thank you Casey! I had a ton of notes as I recall
I had heard the lemur/dragon 2nd life theory before, but I never heard the "3 headed dragon" part of it - that ties it in very nicely
Thanks for the great stream!
What if balerions wound to his side was him digging the worms out of his own skin. Nothing on planetos could hurt the black dread, but his own claws and teeth are well known for damaging dragons. If the worms got both of them, maybe he was more resistant due to being fully dragon, but she had partial resistance due to her being a partial dragon.
So happy you did this stream!
I’m almost certain someone’s brought this up before, but Azor Ahai killed his wife Nissa Nissa to make the sword Lightbringer that he used to end the long night, and a lot of people think he was Valyrian or more likely an ancestor of the Valyrians. The Valyrians marry brother to sister, and The Bloodstone Emperor killed his sister, The Amethyst Empress. Maybe they were married or meant to be married? The Bloodstone Emperor being Azor Ahai doesn’t line up with the timeline I think, So I’m guessing this is a parallel maybe? Or even a character thing from George, like both the “hero” and the “villain” killed someone for power or something
yeah most of us GEOTD fans assume this was the case
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Daemon and Rhaenyra have a lizard baby, yes. But think again....how did Laena die?
That's 2 lizard babies from Daemon, one from Rhaenyra and one from Laena. Plus Maegor's. And Daenerys' baby....which, I dunno if Rhaego counts. I truly think Mirri caused him to become a lizard baby with her blood magic....
Is it me or does Dreamfyre - and her eggs - have a close proximity to a lot of child deaths in particular? Maybe it's just that she lays so many, but both of her riders also lost children and died shortly after. Maegor's stillbirth were while Rhaena was his wife, and she soon followed a similar fate. Laena was also her rider. Dany's eggs are theorized to be Dreamfyres.
@@VAL420 Laena rode Vhagar, not Dreamfyre. BUT!!! Laena was the babe in the cradle whose hatchling came out blind and disformed and bite a chunk from her tiny arm....and I do believe that was one of Dreamfyre's eggs!!!! So, almost another child death with another of Draemfyre's eggs.....hmmmmmmmm 🤔
Oh my!....and there's something else involving Laena, but I don't want to put up any spoilers if you or others haven't been a gigantic nerd like me and read all the books...lol #CurioserAndCurioser
One of my favorite streams
Great stream!
Never would’ve expected to hear a John Brown reference. Catch me waiting for a Bacon’s Rebellion reference next week since I see your VA plates.
Is it me or does Dreamfyre - and her eggs - have a close proximity to a lot of child deaths in particular? Maybe it's just that she lays so many, but both of her riders also lost children and died shortly after. Maegor's stillbirth were while Rhaena was his wife, and she soon followed a similar fate. Laena was also her rider. Dany's eggs are theorized to be Dreamfyres.
Go warriors! Great stream! I like intro with pictures along with the music! Looking forward to the Wednesday vid!
Another excellent stream with so much great information! Thankyou lml.
Very fun, learnt some new stuff here! Thanks LML
2:05:50 - you should call it Steelfoil, or oilyblackstone-foil 😜
good stuff as per usual :)
These artists are incredible
watching this again: Melisandre confirms that descent is important re. magic with all her "king's blood" insistence. The Valyrians were absolutely trying to concentrate ancestral blood within their families because of a magical connection to their dragons. In the case of the families mentioned as less incestuous, they may have had a tradition of more regular sacrifice (likely well covered up as normal death and cremation). Re. the lemurs, they sound like another fun experiment with blood magic and the white wyrms, to make not Valyrians but other hybrid "beasts" like they were messing with in Gogossos
shower thought: it was common medieval practice to name kids after family members, like to a goofy extent (how many "Matilda"s existed at the same time c. 1100? ever read a badly edited book about that time the king was Henry and then he crowned his son Henry co-king? ughhh) but the Targs never name anyone after a living relative, the names only get re-used after they die. I think this started as a blood magic thing wherein the new baby was somehow invested with the spirit of the dead relative or something, but has now just turned into re-using the name, in order to keep the familially bonded dragons happy and bonded. The dragons would just lose their minds if they thought you were trying to pass off a new baby as someone they knew was alive, and they clearly know to some extent because they bond for life with their riders
What is that "My name is Faegon" song you keep singing?
My Name Is Jonas, Weezer
1:23:40 goodness this sounds like a horror story.. can you imagine if that was filmed for the show
reminds me of Alien & Raised by Wolves indeed
For the UA-cam Gods! Thanks LML
You earned this sub with the O'Reily auto parts jingle.
Yep that one’s a banger!
Great stuff!
I love the idea that Cannibal was purely a wild dragon, or at least not descended from any Targaryen dragon. But I think Cannibal having purely wild ancestry would make sense with your sacrifice theory and the Valyrians being kin to the dragons themselves.
If Cannibal was pureblood wild, he might not have recognised the other dragons as actually being the same species. They named him Cannibal, as if it was a unique trait. Clearly dragons, like most species, don't eat each other often. So why does Cannibal? Maybe he's just kind of nuts, or maybe there's something deeper here.
And then there's Sheepstealer. GRRM has deliberately left it open as to whether Nettles was dragonseed or not. The fact he's trying to get us to question this to me implies that Nettles had no Targaryen ancestry, but she DID have dragonlord ancestry. I think Sheepstealer was descended from a dragon from the founding of dragonstone, as in whatever lineage of dragons on the island predated Targaryen dragon arrival. And Nettles was descended from the rider(s) who founded the outpost originally.
So essentially there are three separate bloodlines of dragons on Dragonstone. Whichever dragonlord founded the trade outpost, wild dragons that were probably already there (Cannibal's bloodline), given a wild dragon naturally would roam way further than tamed ones for food, and then finally the Targaryen ones. Eventually these bloodlines merged into one as the dragons interbred, but two stragglers remained, Cannibal and Sheepstealer.
And what makes this even more likely in my opinion is that dragon eggs can go dormant, as shown by Dany's eggs. Perhaps the bloodlines did fully merge at one point, but the dragonkeepers found abandoned eggs on dragonstone, that might have remained unhatched for decades or even centuries. They thought they might as well hatch them, not realising it was a bad idea, as they assumed Targaryens could tame any dragon.
great stream, as usual!!
I hate history. But fantasy history? Sign me up!
Praise Garth great stream my man!
What is the name of the dragon hatchling on your shoulder?
27:54 confirmed, Chleo is of the Blood of Old Valyria 😍
the Aeneid takes place after the fall of troy cassandra was blessed with foresight but cursed in that she lost the ability to convince people . love your stuff though
I really wish to see tv show about Valyria
I'm a huge Mars Volta fan, too! Nice! I gotta Rewind and find out what podcast you're going to be on.
I rewound and just realised I don't have any of the social media platforms to follow on. Maybe mention it at the top of another livestream when/if you do end up in that podcast....??
here it is! ua-cam.com/video/xxZrTkdDPeE/v-deo.html
Ahhh just missed it
Targ’s being shepherds is a little alarming given the relationship between shepherds and wolves…
never thought about that
My wife isn’t even a fan of the series, but she has to listen to me talk about it all the time. She posited that because Targs possibly bred with reptiles, this might be why their familial interbreeding works out okay. Apparently, reptiles can inbreed plenty with only very rarely having adverse results.
Unpopular opinion probably but I think the Targaryen incest is justified. They have magical blood that maybe they shouldn't dilute. The Starks also had some incest in past generations and I think that's why the skin changer gene persevered. Even if it was dormant for a few generations.
Edit: Valerian steel is probably made with fused stone corrupted by the blood sacrifice. Not quite oily black stone but similar.
I’m not sure justified is the word you’re looking for, but it did bring strategic advantages, sure
@@DavidLightbringer English is my second language so your probably right. I just meant that there's obviously a reason why it was common in Valeria. They're not scared of loosing the ability to ride dragons either. It's more like I think they're justified in their beliefs even if in regular society it wouldn't be.
I always look at it as this: can't get mad at the lizard people for doing weird lizard people things. It seems a lot of Targaryens couldn't even control their attraction to their family members, like it was coded in their DNA. It's still gross, but "it is what it is" 🤷♀️
Take care of that voice @David Lightbringer. ☕🍯 🔥🩸
came in to the stream very late, started from the beginning, didn't get this paypal in before you ended - can nissa nissa be both a GEotD-looking person and a child of the forest/green woman? seems like there isn’t much overlap in appearance between the two groups but maybe im wrong about that. i can see her being either a valyrian-looking person or a green woman/tiger looking person, but can’t really picture her looking like both at the same time
Hey Thomas. So, this is a huge an excellent question, and I answered it in a stream called "The Weirwood Goddesses." There are a few ways it could work out, each worthy of discussion. There are some artists who have created some Valyrian looking elf women that I showed in the stream too. That's the ticket you want my friend, and thank you! ua-cam.com/video/6OEqCsmAcRw/v-deo.html
@@DavidLightbringer thanks for the quick reply! and the excellent content as always! i have seen weirwood goddesses (and all your videos/streams) but looks like i need a refresher! thanks!
@@DavidLightbringer is it possible the bloodstone emperor sister was the evil one that she is the night queen a Lilith like character but because he’s the man of the family he gets blamed for all her actions
I bet the Tiger woman was Grrrrrrrreat.
Now I want Frosted Flakes
@@DavidLightbringer Me too! I haven't had Frosties since the 80s!!!
It all makes sense now. Of course I love your voicing, I am a lover of TMV myself. Amputecure is my favourite album by them, but I realise most peolple like Deloused and Bedlam in Goliath
House Dane living in a kingdom called DORNE and wielding a sword called DAWN makes so much sense now
can someone please tell me where i can get that catchy af funk bass cover of the got theme
Only right here on the Sunday livestreams baby gotta keep it fresh
Please keep us posted on the Mars Volta podcast! TMV is my favorite band of all time so I’d love to hear your thoughts on them.
Hell yeah I definitely will
I love Valeryon name theory. It didn’t make sense to me if a house came from Valeria named Valeryon, they must be powerful to have the freehold named after them (perhaps the founding family), but how could they be powerful there without being dragon riders? Having them be low born people from Valeria makes way more sense.
I see your Warriors "The Bay" shirt has brought you some good luck! Going up 3-0, with a very Vince Carter-esque "Poster-ization" dunk from Wiggins on Doncic no less, has to feel pretty good. I'll be the first to admit I thought the Mavs would push Golden State in this series but the Dubs have proven as they have over and over these past several years that their is no substitute for playoff experience. I think it is pretty safe to say that the Warriors are Finals bound; although Draymond would probably remind us that the intensity needs to remain until the deed is actually done.
Out East with Jimmy Butler's status up in the air who knows what'll happen, even if the Heat are up 2-1 right now.
So I wonder, though it is just complete speculation at this point, how do you think a Championship this year would measure up to the other recent Warriors titles? There is no title like the first; those will always be hard to compete with. But against the "KD" era titles I think this one would be much sweeter, especially given the Dubs weren't obvious favorites like those '17&'18 winning teams.
They still have a ways to go, but with only 5 wins between them and Championship Glory it is hard not to dream a little.
no, we are winning this title I think, it's not wring to see that. It's not people's fault for not seeing it; we were playing very inconsistently before with all of our injuries and some guys trying to find their role. Memphis REALLY helped us round into shape, I give them credit for raising our intensity. Once we got to playing with that level of high focus, we haven't lost it, and now we look like the only real championship team. Boston's flaws are being mercilessly exploited by Miami (Spoelstra is so good!), but Miami is severely limited themselves on offense. I think either team is barbecued chicken against us if we keep playing this way, which I believe we will. Our experience is REALLY showing up at the end of these games, right?
This title would mean A LOT, to answer your question. A lot because of the injuries they've had to overcome, because of all the endless shit-talking against Steph and the unbelievable lack of respect for his greatness, because it means we've been to 6 Finals in 8 years (with chances for more) and that really puts us on a short list with the all-time dynasties. It would mean A LOT.
@@DavidLightbringer I hadn't put much thought into Dynasties until you brought it up but if the Warriors pull this off it makes them very unique as far as "modern" dynasties go. Everyone usually thinks of dynasties as teams who win multiple titles in a row; like the Shaq & Kobe Lakers from '00-'02 or the 90s Bulls being the prime example. Though some do, I wouldn't call the Tim Duncan era in San Antonio a dynasty since their 5 titles, '99, '03, '05, '07, '14 were spread out over 15 years (outside the three from '03-'07). A great run no doubt but dynasty just doesn't seem to fit in their case. But the Warriors don't really fit any of those examples. Their titles (and possible '22 title) would be spread out like San Antonio but not over as long a period; plus they have back to back titles in '17-'18 which San Antonio never did. And like the Bulls they put up a record setting Wins season, even if they didn't win the championship that year.
And they also have clear "eras" to their dynasty, while dynasties of the past usually only have one era (or two if you're the Bulls). I'd say there are 3; pre-KD, KD, post-KD. Because of the whole Durant era, it'll be very interesting to see how history views this Warriors dynasty. I think most people tend to forget the Warriors won 73 games before Durant. I also think people tend to forget that Steph has won multiple MVPs, though this playoffs he is reminding everyone. Furthermore, the trips they made to the Finals and lost should not count *against* them as so many people do to teams that are runners-up. Losing a Game 7 to Lebron is about as close as you get to a title without winning and the '19 Warriors were simply snake-bitten with untimely injuries. That's not an excuse, it's a fact.
So I guess on a more "Macro level", where do you think these Warriors stack up to the dynasties of the past? (I'd say we exclude anything before the 80s at least, since the game was extremely different) I'd also like to add that their style of play and Curry's personal style especially, deserve to be taken into account since it has completely changed the way the 3 point shot is viewed and thus has changed the NBA itself.
I wonder if the oily black stone is like dragon slime, similar to how oysters produce slime that becomes pearl and over time it lost colour , it would make sense with asshai being influenced by Eastern mythology and in that mythology dragons are associated with pearls
Netherlips is the funniest thing I’ve ever heard thank you
Besides Nettles and SheepStealer, Dany's dragons love eating sheep. 🐑
Plus the Christian themes are fun. Sheep = Christians + Dragon = Satan Explains a lot about why the Valerians were so evil to slaves and whatnot
Edit: I'm excited for Euron to potentially get a dragon from his "missing" egg
Opals don't have a single color, does that mean multicolored eyes?
I think before the ghiz wars. The poplution of valyria was probly to small for slavery to work. Add the extra space after that war of poeple that where there enemy. Made alot easyer to start it
ITS AN OLD VIDEO SO YOU PROB WONT SEE IT BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT OLDTOWN BEINGS THE MOST EASTERN PART OF GEOTD AND VALYRIA THE MOST WESTERN
when reading TWOIAF... old valyria gives straight up *yahtzee* vibes. 14 flames. slaves working to death, blood magik, occultism, conquering for treasures, dragons/blitzkrieg.. the "right hair and eye colors"...etc. that's all I could think about.. I can see the Roman empire too but mostly Valiyria paralleled WW2 for me.. anyone else? it's crazy the real world can be comparable to a fantasy book even though everything is derivative of everything.
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I mean it's the same, saffron is the most expensive spice in the world since every flower makes only 3 strands, and I believe each plant flowers only once
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Loved the video as always!!! Go WARRIORS!!! My sons fav player is Steph Curry.
Lemur theory doesn’t seem to jive with sheep theory though?
To clarify (sorry for the edit):
If Valyrians lost dragon-tech and then re-discovered it by taming wild dragons with sheep, they still would have needed magic to establish the bond.
yeah you just use sheep just to be able to get closer to them to study then and discover ( or just carry out) the dragon bond magical ceremony
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i absolutely love your videos. i listen to them at work everyday, and it makes me so happy to hear other people that care about ASOIF theory as much as me. maybe its just because im not watching, im just listening, but you click your tongue/suck your teeth a thousand times lol. its probably bc im only listening and its also my pet peeve, so i know the problem is with me. but i want to keep listening, i just cannot stamd the sound. do you think you could turn down your mic sensitivity or mute your mic after you drink? lol im so sorry i love your videos
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ofocurse. the lemure makes so much sense. in the animal kingdom, the male often devoers the ofspring of other males to make room for his own. thats why canibal id going around munching, because he is of a different lineage.
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On the topic of firewyrms, and fused black stone predating the valyrians, could it be possible that the GEOD dragonlords could have actually been firewyrm-lords using wyrmfire to fuse stone with valyrians later mixing wyvern and wyrm to create dragons and improving upon the process? Firewyrms could have been found in a volcano in westeros and used to create the fortress on battle isle as well as bore the tunnels through it. I only say they would have been found in westeros instead of brought there because the idea putting even a baby firewyrm on a wooden ship for a long sea voyage seems like a bad idea.
haha so I've thought this entire thing through and yes you can't help but arrive at the idea of trying to put a caged fireworm on a wooden boat and it being a bad idea, lol. I don't think George is imagining that people ever controlled the fireworms, because that would just be too much like Dune, and there aren't volcanoes anywhere near Oldtown. So no I don't think that's the answer. If Azor Ahai is a dragonlord, there HAVE to be dragonlords before Valyria
DNA worms could not sound more like a slang term for sperm
What if valyrian steel is melted with dragon fire and shaped with sorcery the same way the fused stone is
seems like the dragon eggs are almost radioactive or magic has radio active properties.
i just want you to know, i wish i could give you views and what not, but i still have about 200 pages to go in fire and blood. i'll join you soon
right on brother. we'll be here
Do we know the Valyrians themselves practiced incest? I always thought the Targaryens just did that because there weren't many of Valyrian descent in Westeros. However if they did, then that would explain a LOT about how the Great Empire of the Dawn had multi-ethnic dragon lords.
And it also could work well with the Velaryons being dark skinned in House of the Dragon. It would explain why they weren't dragon lords back in the day. They physically couldn't be until they had a Targaryen in their family line, despite the fact they clearly had considerable classic Valyrian blood shown through their hair colour. Granted the show isn't canon though.
It's also interesting that if this is the case the Valyrians evidently chose to practice incest instead of a dragonlord willingly allowing themselves to be brutally sacrificed every generation or so. They brutalised slaves for their empire but weren't willing to suffer a similar fate to ensure it continued.
Also, here's a scary thought. What if it works in reverse? What if you don't have to sacrifice your parent/grandparent. What if all that matters is how close your blood matches the one who was sacrificed? Because if that's the case, Euron might be able to tame a dragon more permanently by sacrificing his sons. We already know he views them as worth little more than possible blood sacrifice given he's using his unborn child as one.
I think the creation of dragons absolutely had something to do with blood magic and a sacrifice of Targaryen ancestor and that's why the magic is in the family and has to be kept in the family.
That's why they say they are the blood of the dragon and why they sometimes they have dragon babies, which we already say. But I think the reason why those two things happen goes back to the creation of the dragons and sacrifice.
alsooo I 10000% support the theory that Tyrion is Targaryen and the third head. I think a secondary passive trait of the Lannisters is Greed and they always wanted an in to the Targaryen family and their power. I think their karma for that or the consequences of that generational desire was Johanna being stolen by Aerys and then the Lann's being given deformed Tyrion.
Great stream...nice art..u rule LML! Also I worked for Chris Cornell and Soundgarden..u better check with me before any more TOTD performances!
I was disappointed my girlfriend didn’t know the reference. But she’s a little bit younger, she missed out
Awesome that you worked for the guys man that’s sweet
A defense for the ending:
Let me start by saying I personally, like many, hated the ending, because it was not well written, it was not well thought-out, and it was not SATISFYING. But the last part , in some respects, may have been the point.
In many ways, when it comes to fiction, and especially fantasy, we are conditioned to want a satisfying ending. And we call that GOOD storytelling. That a story should include certain beats, and should culminate is satisfying character arcs , and whether the story ends happily, tragically, or bitter-sweetly...we still expect that it ends in a satisfying manner. The characters we love should have their arcs completed. The relevant plot points should be resolved, and the many questions should be answered. We call this satisfying. We call it good writing.
My response though, ( I dont think highly enough of D and D to think this was their goal) is that sometimes, if a story doesn't deliver a satisfying ending...that could be more meaningful. Because that IS life and IS history. Not all stories end well. Our own lives often do not end well. We all have stories that do not get their resolve. We don't always get the right answers, the right finales, and complete arcs. Some of us die randomly and tragically , our stories cut short. The mechanisms and politics of life often subvert what should be the obvious choices, because millions of real factors and choices effect what would be considered in fiction "lazy writing." SO to have a story, that so OFTEN subverted expectations, you could say that the greatest subversion is to deliver an ending that would satisfy everyone. ( Not only do I think it is impossible to satisfy everyone) The very idea that such an incredible and often times realistic story maybe should NOT have a satisfying end, because that would be unfaithful to life and history. Even in fiction, maybe the story doesn't end well. Not just that an ending could be tragic ( many are) or not happy ( also many stories end unhappily) but the idea that the story isn't resolved correctly is an added touch of realism. Good writing isn't always true to a good story, because it isn't truth. Sometimes what really happens is unsatisfying, dull, grim or even pointless...because that is how many real stories end.
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The Mars Volta is such a good band. Keep it up man! Love the lore vids.
My question is if the current people of Yi Ti are supposed to be based on China, would the Great Empire of the Dawn also be Chinese based?
Partially, yeah, but it encompassed much more than Yi Ti and seems to have been centered on Asshai. So a multi ethnic empire of some kind
Great empire of dawn immediately makes me think of Japan, because it's also refered to as Rising Sun, since the sun rises in the east.
Love your vids - budgeting to become a subsquisher ....Just listening to you saying the The Vale is most certainly upon a dormant volcano and comparable to Old Valyria - it seems quite certainly true considering the name "the Vale'" and the "Eyrie," LOL Vale-Eyrie, uhhhhhh....
Nice, George loves his word puns and homonyms
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