Yes thank you David for 3 years almost every night before sleep I put on a random video of yours. I watched got 10 times never watched S7&8 and I finished the book 2 times but I knew almost all theory s before reading the books . I can proudly say that I am a asoiaf professional sorry English not my 1st language
A LOT of grey rats in HOTD for now... on Viserys's bed, Balerion's skull... seems like a confirmation of the Maester Conspiracy! Great investigation, as always, David!
I think the death of Laena is extremely suspicious, and even the Maesters quietly acknowledge it in this account. The Maester taking care of her is so obviously ineffective that Daemon notices. And he’s vocal enough about the mistrust that the Maesters feel the need to explain his “incompetence” by saying he was young and inexperienced. BS- if he was too inexperienced and incompetent for the role, there is NO WAY he would have been given such an important assignment. The account of how she died is ghastly and suspicious too. She died trying to leave the castle and get to her dragon. The Maesters say, to fly one last time. She apparently physically collapsed on the steps- why was no one physically supporting her? Or trying to stop her for her own safety? Why would the Maesters tell it this way? Also, the more experienced Maester “arrived too late.” A tacit acknowledgement that Daemon had been right about the younger Maester’s “incompetence.” Also; the septas praying over her. More Oldtown. Poor Laena was surrounded. It’s possible Daemon was sent for the more experienced Maester in order to finish her off. Or they simply used his absence.
Also, the death of Daemon’s first wife reminded me of Bran’s attempted assassinations. She fell, then she made an unexpected recovery, only to collapse and die suddenly. No details given on her second sudden collapse.
Could be a show only thing. As yes they specifically say Essosi surgeons but you would think either Daemon or definitely Laena would have brought there own Maester to Pentos as part of there little court @@George-cr6jq
King Viserys may have been more concerned with the dragon egg Daemon gave Mysaria, but Otto and the Maesters might have been more concerned with the dragon seed he gave her instead...?
@@DavidLightbringer or did she have the baby.. she was told it was a miscarriage (like Dany) but the baby was taken and used in blood magic rituals unbeknownst to both mama and Daemon... there’s too many “miscarriages “ or “babes that were born still” .. I think some could have been used as the predecessors “Crastors sons” ... if you catch my drift. Yes health care was deplorable.. but some women have many unsuccessful births in KingsLanding but once away from the “healthcare” they have relatively normal births. . . seems. fishy. to. me.
The theory is horrifyingly believable after seeing HOTD ep. 1 & 2. The meisters were too eager to dismiss the midwives and cut into the dragon queen in what was an experimental procedure and in a way that assured her death. Who knows if they slipped the son a slow acting poison. They're so sus now. Hightower provoked Daemon on the bridge, seemingly determined to make martyrs of himself and the meister and king's guard to start a war between the Targaryen brothers, because the fool brought no dragon and knew full well Daemon had his. The disappointment of Hightower and the meister after Rhaenyra resolved the conflict peacefully was palpable. The meisters were worse than useless when Jon sent Sam to find the magic to fight the walkers, too. They tried to stop Sam, as a matter of fact. I hope the old meisters are dismantled by the end of the book series and Sam redirects a new crew to find all the old magic..
Like the operation wasn't experimental at all. It was just a regular C section except at the time it was fatal to the mother due to medical technologies. And at no point are the Masters trying to decide him they literally tell him either both die or maybe the kid can live@@tdowell8615
I'm a big fan of the format where you release a theory video and then do a live-stream about it afterwards, as it gives you more time to fill in potentially missed details and it gives us fans the ability to pick your brain a little more about it. I'd like to see this more often from you. Keep the great content coming, we all enjoy it.
Same dany birth and dragon hatching must have pissed off the ones in the conspiracy all that planning muster all for the last Targaryen to hatch not one but three dragons who will no thought mate with each other spanning more
Yes, I always thought it was obvious that the Lords would vote for male succession due to their own self interest... But this stream made me wonder if there were additional factors as well. Surely the maesters would also understand the Lords' self interest, too. Maybe they used that or counted on it for their own ends. Maybe they cited that vote in the history they wrote because they knew no one would question it. Who knows what they didn't record for history.
@@SoCalledGodess Your point about omission is what interests me. They could have simply said "...and Viserys won the tally." Or even made up numbers depending on how many witnesses still lived at the time of publishing. Why mention any possibility of a mystery or uncertainty regarding the count?
I don't doubt that the Great Council was a corrupt affair. However Viserys named his daughter Rhaenyra heir and there was no great uproar. Many lords swore their allegiance to her. In fact if the Green Council didn't act Rhaenyra would have been crowned without opposition. Do things like patriarchy and the rumors about her first three children matter as well? Of course. Her husband Daemon mattered as well. So the fact that she was a woman alone was not enough. I think the same is true of the great Council. There were other things at play despite gender in my mind.
@@wolfsbanealphas617 That wasn't the case here. This was the grandson of the older brother Aemon and the son of the second brother Baelon. The Dance of the Dragons dealt with brother and sister. The Great Council, while they did dismiss female claimants with strong claims, came down to a decision between two men.
Late I know but it's interesting to note that baby Baelon's cause of death isn't specified. It's just mentioned that he died a day later and then we move on. Surely if there was something fatally wrong with the baby it would be worth mentioning? Full transparency and all that. I dunno, I just find it suspicious since a male heir from Aemma would take precedence over Alicent's sons if there was actually a plan to make her Queen.
Especially possible that the plan was for Alicent to be queen all along if we are to believe Mushroom when he suggest that she was also “tending” to the old king Jaeharey’s bed chambers before his death.
That's the thing when it comes to traitors in your midst. You have to start questioning everyone's motivations and if they were in on it with the traitor or not. And it could drive you mad and leave you laying claims of treachery against innocent bystanders. Could the maesters have been working with Otto to ensure viserys did not have a son with Aemma, definitely. Could it also just have been a tragedy that Otto was able to capitalize on, that's also definitely a possibility.
These events really highlight how the Targaryen infighting so early after the conquest (Maegor's shenanigans) really interrupted the handoff of power and training of Targaryen heirs. So quickly did the Targaryens seem to forget that they were cultural outsiders ruling over a continent as *conquerors*. They weren't embedded in the society over which they ruled, they had no connections to the nobility. Why would they expect to be able to rely on *any* native group, much less one of the oldest organizations that's based on holding knowledge and used to being in power?? The Maesters certainly didn't forget that the Targaryens were outsiders...
Same here, and a lot of death’s end with someone throwing themselves out of a window like Tommen died. So far it doesn’t seem like Halaena threw herself out of the window
Rhaenys had the best claim under Westerosi at the time (male preference primogeniture, which let women inherit if there were no male lines running through the most senior line). What the Council of 101 ruled in favour of wasn't going to get a precedent of older sister inheriting because women inheriting was already a thing. What was established was more like Salic Law (women can't inherit period). Therefore there probably was foul play in dismissing Rhaenys because if the law was actually followed there would be no question that she was the heir.
meh, Rhaenyra proved that no woman should rule the kingdoms. Cersei added to that and show Dany wasnt much better. Even if Rhaenys was the best choice.
@@glitzerplastikchichiHow about the whole thing is stupid regardless of gender? I'll never understand the people that vehemently support Rhaenys/Rhaenyra or Aegon when the whole point is that rulership based off heredity as well as one family with WMDs being the only ones allowed to rule is a totally idiotic system and not something to actually support
@@MrFredstt Yeah, the whole governance system is pretty stupid and should be reformed, no wonder they've been stuck with medieval technology for thousands of years. But saying that women are not fit to be rulers "just because" is even more stupid given the great number of downright terrible kings and lords we've seen throughout westeros' history.
Can't wait for the Alicent video! Curious to hear what you make of this line: "Strangely, in her final hours Queen Alicent spoke often of the Old King, but never of her husband, King Viserys." I feel like George is trying to get at something significant here.
Oh that’s interesting I had forgotten that. Wow. I’m guessing she admired Jaehaerys and thought of him as a real king, and probably despised Viserys for his weakness
idk you guys, but Alicent really gives me some "cersei" vibes.... I can see a clear connection between admiration to rhaegar/jahearys and despise to robert/viserys w/ both of them. Not in a romantical way though
On Daemon offending Vyseris with his comment about the death of his son: Maybe he did propose a toast to the heir of one day as an actual sign of respect like "let's have a toast for my poor dead nephew" is not the same as "let's have a toast to this baby dying so I can be heir again". It depends a lot in context, tone and intention. It's definitely one of those statements that a Maester could misconstrue to better suit the desired narrative. It could be interesting in the maester conspiracy framework, since it could explain the change from a impulsive and mischievous good brother to a resentful and determined candidate to the throne out of spite.
@@DavidLightbringer that's what I mean, this is one of the things I really want to see in the show. The game of telephone that most likely happen could be heartbreaking to watch if there was no initial ill intent from Daemon
@@DavidLightbringer I am not crazy! I know he swapped those numbers! I knew it was 121. One after The Red Spring. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He - he covered his tracks, he got that idiot in the goldcloaks to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That dragon saddle! Are you telling me that a man just happens to fall like that? No! He orchestrated it! Daemon! He vivisected at The Stepstones! And I saved him! And I shouldn't have. I took him into my own court! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since he was 30, always the same! Couldn't keep his hands out of his niece! But not our Daemon! Couldn't be precious Daemon! Stabbing them blind! And he gets to be The Rogue Prince!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you - you have to stop him! You-
After watching the episode I think you're right. The point of view made it questionable but I definitely think Daemon was mourning "in his own way" as he says in the show.
Love how each and every exhibit would ring some mayor bells with any decent investigator put on the case...but all can be explained away pretty easily blaming chance, regular causality or a convenient scapegoat. Well done, Maesters! You earned those chains in Practical Machiavelliogy today.
Now that I'm caught up on your videos, I'd like to mention that according to Overly Sarcastic Productions' video on Loki he might actually have been a reflex of Odin who eventually got spun off into his own deity.
I've heard this too and it makes sense. Heimdallr is just Yggdrasil as a man it turns out, all their myths dovetail into one another at the conceptual level
I actually got to your channel from in deep geeks channel. You guys definitely have different ways of analyzing the story which is why you’re the main two I listen to! I know you said you’d try to reread “the silmarillion” soon, I think that’d be a great time for a collab (if you guys would do one again). Really enjoyed this video!!
Can't wait to dig into this!! I'm so into the conspiracy idea, I think it's brilliant that a lot of George's world building is intentionally written from an unreliable source! Also glad to see you taking care of your voice man it's so important ✌️
When you mentioned the twisted demon baby birth, I was reminded of Meagor the Cruel's witchy mistress, admitting to poisoning his wives when they were pregnant.. fuck tonne of pyramids worth of suspicious behaviour!
I really like the theory that Maegor actually died/was half dead and was brought back as some kind of fire-wight. That would also be the reason why he couldnt have children. I know its some wanky theory but really interesting ^^
After rewatching this and now seeing episode 1. This is a 100/10. Way more suspicious than it was in the book. We are seeing the POV outside of the maesters.
Ive never really been big into the “grand maester conspiracy.” But your analysis never fails to honestly weigh each relevant aspect. It provides much deeper analysis and understanding regardless of your opinions on the overall theory. Despite being here for forever, I like to think thats what still brings new asoiaf fans into your channel. Well done as always LmL👊🏾
The maester conspiracy poses the question: how long before the servant becomes the served? This idea is best illustrated at the sacking of Astapor. The wise masters were completely unprepared to having to deal with the Unsullied after selling them to Dany. Another great example is how Missandae is probably the most competent person in the books. In many ways she's becoming the lense through which Daenerys sees the world surrounding her. How long before Missandae is in charge of laying out all options to the queen? Eventually, all her choices will be crafted by Missandae one way or the other.
Yeah, my uncle told me 30+ years ago about the benefits of local honey to combat local pollens. I have been eating it ever since and my allergies haven't been an issue ever since
There is! Honey is basically pollen suspended in an antibacterial, antimicrobial, and antifungal solution! Additional fun fact Honey doesn't expire. Ever. The honey found in Egyptian tombs is still safe to eat!
Late to the party on this one re: other ASOIAF youtubers Mr Lightbringer, you are absolutely marvelous in your abilities at keeping to the texts as the source of your ideas. Other tubers have a lot to offer as well and there are some great ones but you are unique and in my opinion, no one else is in your league with regard to bringing a strict sense of literary expertise to these texts. So many of your videos have incredible repeat value as they are so dense and layered (just like ASOIAF) !! Likely it has been written and stated before but state I state it anyway: if Mr Martin is unable to finish the series there are a lot of us who would love reading your ending. I am still not convinced 100% that Dany is going to end being GOOD in Martin's ending but your arguments and work in that are are compelling and hard to refute. THANKS for all of this.
I'm honestly very suspicious of the use of Mushroom testimony in Fire and Blood. Some times (Like the Viserys was cheating on his wife with Alicent) it's supposed to be taken as a plausible rumour. Not the truth but something that may have happened. But in other instances they repeatedly undermine his honesty, like "Mushroom says this but that's just good alod Mushroom bullshit". Which is curious considering how the testimony you're supposed to take with a grain of salt is the most pro-Rhaenyra one.
Exactly! I also noticed in World of Ice and Fire that pretty much any time the Maester mentions but dismisses something it seems to be true (some def true from the books, others just likely based on theory). Made me put a lot more stock in every he dismissed.
If the Maesters were truly as biased against Rhaenyra as is claimed then they would take Mushroom's quite negative descriptions of her and scream it to the high heavens that it's truth but they don't do that. Even the maesters themselves aren't as negative about her as some of the wild claims Mushroom makes about her at times. So, I have no doubt in my mind that Mushroom is one of the least trustworthy people
Another gem of a stream, David 🤘stoked for your upcoming 50K (!), the ongoing path to HOTD (the 'low-key reboot' of GOT in the public eye) and seeing all the good will return centred around a truly high quality show, paving the way to Nymeria, Sea Snake, Flea Bottom, Dunc and Egg and beyond (hopefully a big ole photoreal 3rd person RPG) :D Be well dude, great to have you on the show yesterday, and here's to good things, good times and good people \m/ - Albert
It makes the most sense to me that the Conspiracy would have started during Maegor's reign. The Maesters watched the faith fail to stop Maegor and probably began their own plans to take down the dragons. The old King following Maegor gave the conspiracy plenty of time to work out their plans because he was a good king, but it is clear that as he aged they started to put their plans into motion.
Would be crazy if it was the Maesters poisoning his children and not the one witch he married. Would be sad with all the paranoia that he still got it wrong
I think Aegon the conquerer visited Old Town before he began his conquest, and had maesters as some of his closest advisors. But when he finally came there last, to take it, they initially were going to deny him, but then relented. The faith, who would later become extremely outspoken against Targaryen customs just one generation later, were somehow able to overlook Aegon I's multiple sister-wives and bless him during his coronation. Possible Hightowers, maesters, and the Faith were playing a long con from the beginning, or simply biding their time.
At 51:56. I had the same interpretation about the heir for a day sequence in F&B. Liked how the show left it ambiguous and halfassedly tried to show why Daemon was so loved.
So in keeping with the order of the points of evidence: 1. Aemon's Death via crossbow, I'd call that a 2/10, suffers potentially from "How did they know about what they weren't there for but I am willing to call that a weakness in storytelling. A stray death in a battle is hardly the most suspicious thing here. 2. Baelon's death, easy 7/10, not a guarantee by a Maester, but entirely possible of a combination of a poison hidden in autopsy, or a maltreatment hidden the same way. 3. Otto Hightower named as hand, easy 8+/10, no way that it would be reasonable to keep favoring Hightowers over the Tyrells, basically undermining their own Lord Paramount and Warden of the South for their strongest rival. 4. General 101 Council Stuff, very easy 9/10, plenty of power plays here. Imbalance of speakers, vote concerns, et cetra. Leaving room for simple Patriarchy of course. 5. Viserys-Daemon feud, 5/10, they might have made it worse, but Daemon wasn't exactly an angel, he never seems to deny making the jape, which would imply he at least said that he said something akin to it. Have to leave from here, but if it's not clear, I do agree that it is likely that *something* is certainly going on with the Maesters, but I am not convinced of a super hardcore conspiracy. Could just easily be Hightowers using the Faith and the Citadel that they have in their pocket to climb the ladder in the game of thrones, and some Maesters are particularly anti-magic, making Marwyn feel ostracized in the Citadel.
Love all the book reads! Really appreciate all your content and the immense effort you must put each and everyone one! Seriously you should read audiobooks for a living or something as you're amazing at it! Just wanted to say thanks and enjoying all the vids! Plus love the fantastic artworks you feature and appreciate you adding the names of all the amazing artists so nice work. Regards from Lisa in Scotland! Keep up the fantastic work and bring on more House of the Dragon and your vids thank youuu duuude! 😁🙏❤️
Been watching you for years. Finally can afford to help support thd channel. Keep it coming. Hopefully we get Winds in the next 5 years so we can all fangirl together over the content.
Domeric bolton's death is oddly familiar to that of prince baelon as they both died shortly after a ride form " a sickness of the bowels " for domeric and an "Appendicitis" for baelon and both left after their death a inheritance crisis
Honestly, while I didn’t really think the Great Council was a Maester conspiracy before, I think I’m beginning to think differently. Originally, my line of thinking was that it wouldn’t make sense, because any heir could have easily produced a stable realm by birthing an eligible heir themself. However, my thoughts changed upon thinking about the ensuing attempts to create an heir by Viserys I and Aemma Arryn. Their attempts resulted in what seems like a large sum of miscarriages. Then you think about Viserys’s marriage to Alicent Hightower. From what I know, they didn’t have a single miscarriage, and were able to produce 3 children in quick succession. It makes you think, is the high number of miscarriages because of constant Targaryen incest, or is it due to incessant poisoning by those closest to them, such as their maesters perhaps?
Haven't said thank you for awhile but as always man thank you for riding shotgun on all my commutes. With that said I honestly wasn't excited for HOTD not for the reason alot of lames in this world weren't but I just was more focused on the current time line but these fire and blood streams you have been doing are changing that a bit plus I'm really curious and excited to see what they're gonna do with the Valeryions you have made some great points debunking the bigotry and I'm excited to see which road they're gonna take. So thank you again comrade you well deserve the growth your channel is seeing.
Please include in your future video about Alicent, your opinion on the theory of Alicent being Saera’s daughter, a theory that was explained by the Order of the Greenhand in their series: the Rogue Princess.
There is certainly way too much smoke for there not to be some kind of fire. I think HOTD will expound on this issue, and I hope that George is able to show us what he's been setting up for all these years.
Yeah you know there were a lot of incidents to review, it was way too much for a produced video. However I broke this up into sections, event at a time, so I’d recommend just listening to one piece at a time, it’s like 6 25min videos or something. It’s all scripted so it should be easy to follow
I would say it starts with Aenys the 1st and really pops off with Maegor. Maegor was cruel, and a nightmare for women. But if he hadn’t brought fire and sword to the Faith Militants. There would have been no more House Targaryen.
13:29 how in the world did a bolt fired from such a distance hit a man in the throat and come out of the back of the neck? The back of his back, maybe - with part of his chin missing. Seems awfully "magic bullet theory" to me.
Do you think in non show cannon Alicent was putting the moves on Viserys before he was crowned? Was happily surprised that they didn’t go that direction in the show.
When I go down a rabbit hole I'm like man where did the last 5 hours go. When LML goes down a rabbit hole he is like "I kind of got lost in symbolism for the last 6 years". Lol
@@DavidLightbringer As I watched your video I was think that there isn't a "Grand" Maester Conspiracy to eliminate dragons but rather to influence and try to control dragons (Targaryens). This way you could get other Targaryens in the citadel behind it, pointing out the destructive power certain people as King or with Dragons could be. It would be much easier to get such a large group on board, and if a roque Maester or two poisoned a dragon so that certain Targaryens didn't ever become dragon riders, I am sure the Archmaesters looked the other way.
I also don't believe the Maesters or Otto Hightower would have Aemma Arryn killed if they feared Daemon so much. I think that Aemma dying actually put a wrench in there plans and put Daemon in line to inherit the throne something the Maesters and Hightowers feared greatly. So they made up Daemon's comments (or took them out of context) and used every bit of sway they had to make Alicent Hightower the next queen. But I don't think they would kill Aemma as there would be too many unknown variables at this point which could lead to Daemon becoming king or a strong dragon rider of House Velaryon
Last stream I caught was the panel about Dany and the topic of a “good” reign was brought up. Jaehery’s AND Alysanne were as close as we could get in ASOIAF. Oldtown is definitely their biggest adversary during that reign. King gets old, the vultures start swooping in.
Look im sorry that my mind works this way too but does anyone else see the Rhaenyra comforting Daemon over his dead son scene as very similar to the Jaime comforting Cersei over her dead son scene.. george goes hard sometimes
He did ride Balereon though. And he has Blackfyre. First evening of the first paid vacation I’ve had since Covid. Need to build a little Garth praise. Love catching up on the older streams. Slowly finding missing links in your and the community’s head cannon. Praise Garth
Love me some conspiracies...... Mr. Lightbringer it sounds to me like you are saying that the shadow government of Westeros is in Old Town. I would love to hear what you think about that idea
Thank you so much . Any other videos or podcast that delv into House Hightower and their conections to maesters and the faith of the 7 ....maybe a playlist ?
The death of Baelon is giving me Jon Arryn vibes. I feel like the similar circumstances are designed to draw connections between the two for the reader. Was the “bursting stomach” caused by tears of lys as well?
I think Dooming the Dragons was way more subtle. It was Septon Barth telling Jahearyes, “Yeah we’re all upset about what happened to your daughter, have you considered I don’t know securing your giant hellbeast that survived the doom of Valyria twice now.”
So im curious with the maester conspiracy do you believe that the faith of the seven is linked with the conspiracy? Im asking because ive watched the order of tbe greenhand's videos that talk about. Its always from them that i think of it as the maester/faith of the seven conspiracy.
Could the other forest death mentioned by Varys, the bite of an adder, be referring to the death of a future king, probably Tommen? Considering the presence of the Sand Snakes, that could be a literal or metaphorical statement.
I find it odd that Baelon isn't touched on. They mention the queens death in childbirth and that the baby followed a day later. But no mention of him being born sickly. No mention of him being born early. The only sign we have that something is wrong is the queen's death. The child was heir for a day and the only recorded comment on the child is Damon's remark. I think if the queen was killed its more then likely the child was also. And if you wanted to look at Damon is a better light he could have made his comment in a different context. Maybe even have been suspicious of the death. And that's why people moved to have him exiled.
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I’ve spent a lot of time in the car over the past year and this thank you is well overdue - thank you for all you do!
oh wow right on Vincent! I always listen to podcasts in the car so I am thrilled to knock out the road hours with you my man. Cheers!
Wholesome! ❤️
Yes thank you David for 3 years almost every night before sleep I put on a random video of yours. I watched got 10 times never watched S7&8 and I finished the book 2 times but I knew almost all theory s before reading the books . I can proudly say that I am a asoiaf professional sorry English not my 1st language
@@BobbyBob-rz9wnyour english is perfect man 😊
I love it when your pink, feathered mini-dragon joins your videos!!! Cleo is too cute, and you petting her melts my heart!!!!
A LOT of grey rats in HOTD for now... on Viserys's bed, Balerion's skull... seems like a confirmation of the Maester Conspiracy! Great investigation, as always, David!
Samwell Tarly's father Randyll also threatened Sam with murder disguised as a fall from a horse.
That’s right HE DID….
There was an investigation on both Aemon and Baelon's deaths, and the Maester confirmed that no Maesters were responsible.
I think the death of Laena is extremely suspicious, and even the Maesters quietly acknowledge it in this account. The Maester taking care of her is so obviously ineffective that Daemon notices. And he’s vocal enough about the mistrust that the Maesters feel the need to explain his “incompetence” by saying he was young and inexperienced. BS- if he was too inexperienced and incompetent for the role, there is NO WAY he would have been given such an important assignment. The account of how she died is ghastly and suspicious too. She died trying to leave the castle and get to her dragon. The Maesters say, to fly one last time. She apparently physically collapsed on the steps- why was no one physically supporting her? Or trying to stop her for her own safety? Why would the Maesters tell it this way? Also, the more experienced Maester “arrived too late.” A tacit acknowledgement that Daemon had been right about the younger Maester’s “incompetence.”
Also; the septas praying over her. More Oldtown. Poor Laena was surrounded. It’s possible Daemon was sent for the more experienced Maester in order to finish her off. Or they simply used his absence.
Also, the death of Daemon’s first wife reminded me of Bran’s attempted assassinations. She fell, then she made an unexpected recovery, only to collapse and die suddenly. No details given on her second sudden collapse.
There are no maesters taking care of Laena as she is in Pentos not in westeros
Could be a show only thing. As yes they specifically say Essosi surgeons but you would think either Daemon or definitely Laena would have brought there own Maester to Pentos as part of there little court @@George-cr6jq
King Viserys may have been more concerned with the dragon egg Daemon gave Mysaria, but Otto and the Maesters might have been more concerned with the dragon seed he gave her instead...?
Yeah I didn’t include her miscarriage I suppose that could be foul play
@@DavidLightbringer or did she have the baby.. she was told it was a miscarriage (like Dany) but the baby was taken and used in blood magic rituals unbeknownst to both mama and Daemon...
there’s too many “miscarriages “ or “babes that were born still” .. I think some could have been used as the predecessors “Crastors sons” ... if you catch my drift.
Yes health care was deplorable.. but some women have many unsuccessful births in KingsLanding but once away from the “healthcare” they have relatively normal births. . . seems. fishy. to. me.
The theory is horrifyingly believable after seeing HOTD ep. 1 & 2. The meisters were too eager to dismiss the midwives and cut into the dragon queen in what was an experimental procedure and in a way that assured her death. Who knows if they slipped the son a slow acting poison. They're so sus now. Hightower provoked Daemon on the bridge, seemingly determined to make martyrs of himself and the meister and king's guard to start a war between the Targaryen brothers, because the fool brought no dragon and knew full well Daemon had his. The disappointment of Hightower and the meister after Rhaenyra resolved the conflict peacefully was palpable. The meisters were worse than useless when Jon sent Sam to find the magic to fight the walkers, too. They tried to stop Sam, as a matter of fact. I hope the old meisters are dismantled by the end of the book series and Sam redirects a new crew to find all the old magic..
Reaching
Yeah not true at all.
Like the operation wasn't experimental at all. It was just a regular C section except at the time it was fatal to the mother due to medical technologies. And at no point are the Masters trying to decide him they literally tell him either both die or maybe the kid can live@@tdowell8615
I'm a big fan of the format where you release a theory video and then do a live-stream about it afterwards, as it gives you more time to fill in potentially missed details and it gives us fans the ability to pick your brain a little more about it. I'd like to see this more often from you. Keep the great content coming, we all enjoy it.
I’d love Marwyn to meet and chat with Bloody Babs. What a scene that would be!
Same dany birth and dragon hatching must have pissed off the ones in the conspiracy all that planning muster all for the last Targaryen to hatch not one but three dragons who will no thought mate with each other spanning more
I agree with you about the Great Council... High lords choosing patriarchy over a competent ruler is highly plausible
Also it threatens their own position if women can come first a Brithers sister can take their inheritance
Yes, I always thought it was obvious that the Lords would vote for male succession due to their own self interest... But this stream made me wonder if there were additional factors as well. Surely the maesters would also understand the Lords' self interest, too. Maybe they used that or counted on it for their own ends. Maybe they cited that vote in the history they wrote because they knew no one would question it. Who knows what they didn't record for history.
@@SoCalledGodess Your point about omission is what interests me. They could have simply said "...and Viserys won the tally." Or even made up numbers depending on how many witnesses still lived at the time of publishing. Why mention any possibility of a mystery or uncertainty regarding the count?
I don't doubt that the Great Council was a corrupt affair. However Viserys named his daughter Rhaenyra heir and there was no great uproar. Many lords swore their allegiance to her. In fact if the Green Council didn't act Rhaenyra would have been crowned without opposition. Do things like patriarchy and the rumors about her first three children matter as well? Of course. Her husband Daemon mattered as well. So the fact that she was a woman alone was not enough. I think the same is true of the great Council. There were other things at play despite gender in my mind.
@@wolfsbanealphas617 That wasn't the case here. This was the grandson of the older brother Aemon and the son of the second brother Baelon. The Dance of the Dragons dealt with brother and sister. The Great Council, while they did dismiss female claimants with strong claims, came down to a decision between two men.
Thanks! Sorry I missed this one live.
Late I know but it's interesting to note that baby Baelon's cause of death isn't specified. It's just mentioned that he died a day later and then we move on. Surely if there was something fatally wrong with the baby it would be worth mentioning? Full transparency and all that.
I dunno, I just find it suspicious since a male heir from Aemma would take precedence over Alicent's sons if there was actually a plan to make her Queen.
Especially possible that the plan was for Alicent to be queen all along if we are to believe Mushroom when he suggest that she was also “tending” to the old king Jaeharey’s bed chambers before his death.
That's the thing when it comes to traitors in your midst. You have to start questioning everyone's motivations and if they were in on it with the traitor or not. And it could drive you mad and leave you laying claims of treachery against innocent bystanders.
Could the maesters have been working with Otto to ensure viserys did not have a son with Aemma, definitely. Could it also just have been a tragedy that Otto was able to capitalize on, that's also definitely a possibility.
This is my favourite stream so far, you top yourself every time, LML!
These events really highlight how the Targaryen infighting so early after the conquest (Maegor's shenanigans) really interrupted the handoff of power and training of Targaryen heirs. So quickly did the Targaryens seem to forget that they were cultural outsiders ruling over a continent as *conquerors*. They weren't embedded in the society over which they ruled, they had no connections to the nobility. Why would they expect to be able to rely on *any* native group, much less one of the oldest organizations that's based on holding knowledge and used to being in power?? The Maesters certainly didn't forget that the Targaryens were outsiders...
Same here, and a lot of death’s end with someone throwing themselves out of a window like Tommen died. So far it doesn’t seem like Halaena threw herself out of the window
entitlement and stupidity 🤷♀
Rhaenys had the best claim under Westerosi at the time (male preference primogeniture, which let women inherit if there were no male lines running through the most senior line). What the Council of 101 ruled in favour of wasn't going to get a precedent of older sister inheriting because women inheriting was already a thing. What was established was more like Salic Law (women can't inherit period). Therefore there probably was foul play in dismissing Rhaenys because if the law was actually followed there would be no question that she was the heir.
meh, Rhaenyra proved that no woman should rule the kingdoms. Cersei added to that and show Dany wasnt much better. Even if Rhaenys was the best choice.
@@marekorbo7161 What misogynistic nonsense. What excuse do the incompetent male rulers of Westoros have?
@@glitzerplastikchichiHow about the whole thing is stupid regardless of gender? I'll never understand the people that vehemently support Rhaenys/Rhaenyra or Aegon when the whole point is that rulership based off heredity as well as one family with WMDs being the only ones allowed to rule is a totally idiotic system and not something to actually support
@@MrFredstt Yeah, the whole governance system is pretty stupid and should be reformed, no wonder they've been stuck with medieval technology for thousands of years. But saying that women are not fit to be rulers "just because" is even more stupid given the great number of downright terrible kings and lords we've seen throughout westeros' history.
@@marekorbo7161lol ok but Robert, Joffrey, Maegor, Aerys, Aegon (the unworthy) 🥴
I'm always happy to come on to whenever you need guests. I just love talking this stuff. 😀
I almost hit you up for this actually but it was last minute. I’m so bad at planning ahead. But I’d love to have you back my brother let’s do it
Can't wait for the Alicent video! Curious to hear what you make of this line: "Strangely, in her final hours Queen Alicent spoke often of the Old King, but never of her husband, King Viserys." I feel like George is trying to get at something significant here.
Oh that’s interesting I had forgotten that. Wow. I’m guessing she admired Jaehaerys and thought of him as a real king, and probably despised Viserys for his weakness
@@DavidLightbringer yeah plus the speculation that Alicent did more than read to the old king.
idk you guys, but Alicent really gives me some "cersei" vibes.... I can see a clear connection between admiration to rhaegar/jahearys and despise to robert/viserys w/ both of them. Not in a romantical way though
@@marinatuber To me is Rhaenyra who has Cersei vibes, because the paranoia and autosabotage of her last months.
there's a theory that she was actually Saera's daughter, and Jahearys called her that in his last days
We, the ASOIAF community, find the maesters guilty!
Unfortunately, I find everyone guilty
On Daemon offending Vyseris with his comment about the death of his son: Maybe he did propose a toast to the heir of one day as an actual sign of respect like "let's have a toast for my poor dead nephew" is not the same as "let's have a toast to this baby dying so I can be heir again". It depends a lot in context, tone and intention. It's definitely one of those statements that a Maester could misconstrue to better suit the desired narrative. It could be interesting in the maester conspiracy framework, since it could explain the change from a impulsive and mischievous good brother to a resentful and determined candidate to the throne out of spite.
Poor Daemon, he’s all like “NO NO, I was being serious, I meant it earnestly!”
For real though there is so much room chicanery here
@@DavidLightbringer that's what I mean, this is one of the things I really want to see in the show. The game of telephone that most likely happen could be heartbreaking to watch if there was no initial ill intent from Daemon
@@DavidLightbringer I am not crazy! I know he swapped those numbers! I knew it was 121. One after The Red Spring. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He - he covered his tracks, he got that idiot in the goldcloaks to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That dragon saddle! Are you telling me that a man just happens to fall like that? No! He orchestrated it! Daemon! He vivisected at The Stepstones! And I saved him! And I shouldn't have. I took him into my own court! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since he was 30, always the same! Couldn't keep his hands out of his niece! But not our Daemon! Couldn't be precious Daemon! Stabbing them blind! And he gets to be The Rogue Prince!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you - you have to stop him! You-
After watching the episode I think you're right. The point of view made it questionable but I definitely think Daemon was mourning "in his own way" as he says in the show.
That was a super fun stream. Great produced sections. Hope you use this voting style format again for a future stream. Thanks for everything
New to your channel, love how thorough you are and that you actually are enthusiastic about what you're talking about. Great stuff man! 👌🏽
Right on Matthew thank you!
Love how each and every exhibit would ring some mayor bells with any decent investigator put on the case...but all can be explained away pretty easily blaming chance, regular causality or a convenient scapegoat. Well done, Maesters! You earned those chains in Practical Machiavelliogy today.
Another great stream. Really looking forward to you collaborating with Grey & Tony. You 3 are my absolute favs in the fandom.
Found your channel recently. Love how deeply you dive into the lore!
Now that I'm caught up on your videos, I'd like to mention that according to Overly Sarcastic Productions' video on Loki he might actually have been a reflex of Odin who eventually got spun off into his own deity.
I've heard this too and it makes sense. Heimdallr is just Yggdrasil as a man it turns out, all their myths dovetail into one another at the conceptual level
I actually got to your channel from in deep geeks channel. You guys definitely have different ways of analyzing the story which is why you’re the main two I listen to! I know you said you’d try to reread “the silmarillion” soon, I think that’d be a great time for a collab (if you guys would do one again).
Really enjoyed this video!!
Can't wait to dig into this!! I'm so into the conspiracy idea, I think it's brilliant that a lot of George's world building is intentionally written from an unreliable source! Also glad to see you taking care of your voice man it's so important ✌️
50k subscribers dude! Congrats love your stuff.
When you mentioned the twisted demon baby birth, I was reminded of Meagor the Cruel's witchy mistress, admitting to poisoning his wives when they were pregnant.. fuck tonne of pyramids worth of suspicious behaviour!
I really like the theory that Maegor actually died/was half dead and was brought back as some kind of fire-wight. That would also be the reason why he couldnt have children. I know its some wanky theory but really interesting ^^
I really appreciate the effort you put into your videos, keep it up!!!
After rewatching this and now seeing episode 1. This is a 100/10. Way more suspicious than it was in the book. We are seeing the POV outside of the maesters.
Agree! I’ll update this conspiracy as we go along
Emma being half tragaryen means a dragon rider might have been born. They had to get rid of her and her son.
Ive never really been big into the “grand maester conspiracy.” But your analysis never fails to honestly weigh each relevant aspect. It provides much deeper analysis and understanding regardless of your opinions on the overall theory. Despite being here for forever, I like to think thats what still brings new asoiaf fans into your channel. Well done as always LmL👊🏾
Thanks Squisherking that’s very kind of you to say
The maester conspiracy poses the question: how long before the servant becomes the served? This idea is best illustrated at the sacking of Astapor. The wise masters were completely unprepared to having to deal with the Unsullied after selling them to Dany. Another great example is how Missandae is probably the most competent person in the books. In many ways she's becoming the lense through which Daenerys sees the world surrounding her. How long before Missandae is in charge of laying out all options to the queen? Eventually, all her choices will be crafted by Missandae one way or the other.
I wonder if there’s something to honey from local bees that helps fortify against allergens in the area
Yes that’s it exactly
Yeah, my uncle told me 30+ years ago about the benefits of local honey to combat local pollens. I have been eating it ever since and my allergies haven't been an issue ever since
There is! Honey is basically pollen suspended in an antibacterial, antimicrobial, and antifungal solution! Additional fun fact Honey doesn't expire. Ever. The honey found in Egyptian tombs is still safe to eat!
23:00- I want the lore behind the light bringer vs. joe magician
Late to the party on this one re: other ASOIAF youtubers
Mr Lightbringer, you are absolutely marvelous in your abilities at keeping to the texts as the source of your ideas.
Other tubers have a lot to offer as well and there are some great ones but you are unique and in my opinion, no one else is in your league with regard to bringing a strict sense of literary expertise to these texts.
So many of your videos have incredible repeat value as they are so dense and layered (just like ASOIAF) !!
Likely it has been written and stated before but state I state it anyway: if Mr Martin is unable to finish the series there are a lot of us who would love reading your ending.
I am still not convinced 100% that Dany is going to end being GOOD in Martin's ending but your arguments and work in that are are compelling and hard to refute.
THANKS for all of this.
My usual "Damn, missed it live' comment. Excited fro this juicy 2.5 hour Targ Talk
Also love the shoulder bird, as a fellow bird owner who has his favorite conure perch on him at least once a day I respect that.
I'm honestly very suspicious of the use of Mushroom testimony in Fire and Blood. Some times (Like the Viserys was cheating on his wife with Alicent) it's supposed to be taken as a plausible rumour. Not the truth but something that may have happened. But in other instances they repeatedly undermine his honesty, like "Mushroom says this but that's just good alod Mushroom bullshit". Which is curious considering how the testimony you're supposed to take with a grain of salt is the most pro-Rhaenyra one.
Exactly! I also noticed in World of Ice and Fire that pretty much any time the Maester mentions but dismisses something it seems to be true (some def true from the books, others just likely based on theory). Made me put a lot more stock in every he dismissed.
If the Maesters were truly as biased against Rhaenyra as is claimed then they would take Mushroom's quite negative descriptions of her and scream it to the high heavens that it's truth but they don't do that. Even the maesters themselves aren't as negative about her as some of the wild claims Mushroom makes about her at times. So, I have no doubt in my mind that Mushroom is one of the least trustworthy people
"You don't need a formal conspiracy when interests converge."
- Said by George Carlin
Your bird is so cute and beautiful
Thank you for this stream, getting me hyped for august 21
This channel is incredible.
Thank you for all your content! I love your stuff, very engaging.
Robert was poisoned and his belly also was bursted open. Let me find out the boar was a warg hog
Another gem of a stream, David 🤘stoked for your upcoming 50K (!), the ongoing path to HOTD (the 'low-key reboot' of GOT in the public eye) and seeing all the good will return centred around a truly high quality show, paving the way to Nymeria, Sea Snake, Flea Bottom, Dunc and Egg and beyond (hopefully a big ole photoreal 3rd person RPG) :D Be well dude, great to have you on the show yesterday, and here's to good things, good times and good people \m/ - Albert
It makes the most sense to me that the Conspiracy would have started during Maegor's reign. The Maesters watched the faith fail to stop Maegor and probably began their own plans to take down the dragons. The old King following Maegor gave the conspiracy plenty of time to work out their plans because he was a good king, but it is clear that as he aged they started to put their plans into motion.
Would be crazy if it was the Maesters poisoning his children and not the one witch he married. Would be sad with all the paranoia that he still got it wrong
I think Aegon the conquerer visited Old Town before he began his conquest, and had maesters as some of his closest advisors. But when he finally came there last, to take it, they initially were going to deny him, but then relented. The faith, who would later become extremely outspoken against Targaryen customs just one generation later, were somehow able to overlook Aegon I's multiple sister-wives and bless him during his coronation.
Possible Hightowers, maesters, and the Faith were playing a long con from the beginning, or simply biding their time.
Hey LML, great content as always!
Thank you for the stream and consistently hyping me up more and more for HOTD!!
You make Marwin look like he knows what he’s talking about! Fun topic
Haha
Excited for Alicent video !!!☄️☄️☄️
Thank you, you’re building the hype
At 51:56. I had the same interpretation about the heir for a day sequence in F&B. Liked how the show left it ambiguous and halfassedly tried to show why Daemon was so loved.
So in keeping with the order of the points of evidence:
1. Aemon's Death via crossbow, I'd call that a 2/10, suffers potentially from "How did they know about what they weren't there for but I am willing to call that a weakness in storytelling. A stray death in a battle is hardly the most suspicious thing here.
2. Baelon's death, easy 7/10, not a guarantee by a Maester, but entirely possible of a combination of a poison hidden in autopsy, or a maltreatment hidden the same way.
3. Otto Hightower named as hand, easy 8+/10, no way that it would be reasonable to keep favoring Hightowers over the Tyrells, basically undermining their own Lord Paramount and Warden of the South for their strongest rival.
4. General 101 Council Stuff, very easy 9/10, plenty of power plays here. Imbalance of speakers, vote concerns, et cetra. Leaving room for simple Patriarchy of course.
5. Viserys-Daemon feud, 5/10, they might have made it worse, but Daemon wasn't exactly an angel, he never seems to deny making the jape, which would imply he at least said that he said something akin to it.
Have to leave from here, but if it's not clear, I do agree that it is likely that *something* is certainly going on with the Maesters, but I am not convinced of a super hardcore conspiracy. Could just easily be Hightowers using the Faith and the Citadel that they have in their pocket to climb the ladder in the game of thrones, and some Maesters are particularly anti-magic, making Marwyn feel ostracized in the Citadel.
it would be funny if marwyn dreamed up this conspiracy and it doesn't actually exist. LoL. That would be more true to life
Marwyn is just LARPing essentially, lol
@@DavidLightbringer who’s the yrkoon of asoiaf current time line and dance timeline
Love all the book reads! Really appreciate all your content and the immense effort you must put each and everyone one! Seriously you should read audiobooks for a living or something as you're amazing at it! Just wanted to say thanks and enjoying all the vids! Plus love the fantastic artworks you feature and appreciate you adding the names of all the amazing artists so nice work. Regards from Lisa in Scotland! Keep up the fantastic work and bring on more House of the Dragon and your vids thank youuu duuude! 😁🙏❤️
Been watching you for years. Finally can afford to help support thd channel. Keep it coming. Hopefully we get Winds in the next 5 years so we can all fangirl together over the content.
its been 2 yrs & i feel the world needs to be graced with the masterpiece that is Personal Maester
This stream just makes me say "BARB HAS RIGHTS " even louder. The grey rat are absolutely plotting against dragons. It is known.
Lady Dustin you mean? Thanks for all your great comments, as always!
Great stream as always!
LML! you’re the man for putting out this thought provoking content
Domeric bolton's death is oddly familiar to that of prince baelon as they both died shortly after a ride form " a sickness of the bowels " for domeric and an "Appendicitis" for baelon and both left after their death a inheritance crisis
That’s a great call. Very similar and both suspect
Just need to take a moment to acknowledge Paddy Considine’s incredible performance as Viserys 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Very much enjoyment and informative. Thank you!
Read the books saw the shows now im here thank you for expanding my lore knowledge 🙏
Shouting out for "Personal Maester"! encore. bravo
"Bloodthirsty Babs"? I adore it ^^
OMG I FRIGGIN LOVE READING RHAEGAR. right back to the mid 90s :)
Don’t forget that The Faith nixed the Maegor/Rhaenys marriage while the Conqueror was still alive and put forth a Hightower to marry Maegor instead
maegor and rhaena ***
Honestly, while I didn’t really think the Great Council was a Maester conspiracy before, I think I’m beginning to think differently.
Originally, my line of thinking was that it wouldn’t make sense, because any heir could have easily produced a stable realm by birthing an eligible heir themself. However, my thoughts changed upon thinking about the ensuing attempts to create an heir by Viserys I and Aemma Arryn. Their attempts resulted in what seems like a large sum of miscarriages.
Then you think about Viserys’s marriage to Alicent Hightower. From what I know, they didn’t have a single miscarriage, and were able to produce 3 children in quick succession.
It makes you think, is the high number of miscarriages because of constant Targaryen incest, or is it due to incessant poisoning by those closest to them, such as their maesters perhaps?
Part 2, excellent! Oldtown is suspicious af.
i like the tiny dragon on your shoulder he seems nicer than the dragons in the movie
Haven't said thank you for awhile but as always man thank you for riding shotgun on all my commutes. With that said I honestly wasn't excited for HOTD not for the reason alot of lames in this world weren't but I just was more focused on the current time line but these fire and blood streams you have been doing are changing that a bit plus I'm really curious and excited to see what they're gonna do with the Valeryions you have made some great points debunking the bigotry and I'm excited to see which road they're gonna take. So thank you again comrade you well deserve the growth your channel is seeing.
Right on, that’s awesome feedback, I really appreciate it!
Please include in your future video about Alicent, your opinion on the theory of Alicent being Saera’s daughter, a theory that was explained by the Order of the Greenhand in their series: the Rogue Princess.
There is certainly way too much smoke for there not to be some kind of fire. I think HOTD will expound on this issue, and I hope that George is able to show us what he's been setting up for all these years.
Oh so is this part 2 then? I loved the first video but I don’t always watch these long livestreams (I have 4 kids so I’m busy haha)
Yeah you know there were a lot of incidents to review, it was way too much for a produced video. However I broke this up into sections, event at a time, so I’d recommend just listening to one piece at a time, it’s like 6 25min videos or something. It’s all scripted so it should be easy to follow
@@DavidLightbringer what I’ve listened to so far is great! Excellent job David 👍 thank you
I would say it starts with Aenys the 1st and really pops off with Maegor. Maegor was cruel, and a nightmare for women. But if he hadn’t brought fire and sword to the Faith Militants. There would have been no more House Targaryen.
Another great topic!
WTF I've been watching your videos for MONTHS now how did it not occur to me that your cool funky Jingle was the HBO theme 😩😩😩 it's so good!
13:29 how in the world did a bolt fired from such a distance hit a man in the throat and come out of the back of the neck? The back of his back, maybe - with part of his chin missing. Seems awfully "magic bullet theory" to me.
Do you think in non show cannon Alicent was putting the moves on Viserys before he was crowned? Was happily surprised that they didn’t go that direction in the show.
Love the content and the pop culture references. "Your own... Personal... Maester... touching chains" brilliant!!! 💀
Is it just me or does Otto hightower is a lot like Otto won Bismarck both of whom omitted a few words so cleverly that both sides would provoked
When I go down a rabbit hole I'm like man where did the last 5 hours go. When LML goes down a rabbit hole he is like "I kind of got lost in symbolism for the last 6 years". Lol
Haha THANKS ADHD
@@DavidLightbringer As I watched your video I was think that there isn't a "Grand" Maester Conspiracy to eliminate dragons but rather to influence and try to control dragons (Targaryens). This way you could get other Targaryens in the citadel behind it, pointing out the destructive power certain people as King or with Dragons could be. It would be much easier to get such a large group on board, and if a roque Maester or two poisoned a dragon so that certain Targaryens didn't ever become dragon riders, I am sure the Archmaesters looked the other way.
I also don't believe the Maesters or Otto Hightower would have Aemma Arryn killed if they feared Daemon so much. I think that Aemma dying actually put a wrench in there plans and put Daemon in line to inherit the throne something the Maesters and Hightowers feared greatly. So they made up Daemon's comments (or took them out of context) and used every bit of sway they had to make Alicent Hightower the next queen. But I don't think they would kill Aemma as there would be too many unknown variables at this point which could lead to Daemon becoming king or a strong dragon rider of House Velaryon
I loved this conspiracy. Preston Jacobs put me on to this 🙌🏾
Please, please make a music video „Personal Maester”!
Dont mind me just dropping a time stamp so i can resume watching later EDIT: all done
Last stream I caught was the panel about Dany and the topic of a “good” reign was brought up. Jaehery’s AND Alysanne were as close as we could get in ASOIAF. Oldtown is definitely their biggest adversary during that reign. King gets old, the vultures start swooping in.
Vaegon sounds just like my father.
100% believe Daemon never said that but perhaps his goldcloaks may have jested about it and he took the rap.
Look im sorry that my mind works this way too but does anyone else see the Rhaenyra comforting Daemon over his dead son scene as very similar to the Jaime comforting Cersei over her dead son scene.. george goes hard sometimes
Almost sounds like the maesters wanted to imply that there
@@DavidLightbringer also how many women are like Cersei that is a scary though if they could inherit
He did ride Balereon though. And he has Blackfyre. First evening of the first paid vacation I’ve had since Covid. Need to build a little Garth praise. Love catching up on the older streams. Slowly finding missing links in your and the community’s head cannon. Praise Garth
“Fuck yea” when he said he was going to have grey area
Love me some conspiracies...... Mr. Lightbringer it sounds to me like you are saying that the shadow government of Westeros is in Old Town. I would love to hear what you think about that idea
yeah I suppose that's one way to put it. Oldtown has been there longer than anything else in Westeros so don't overlook that
Thank you so much . Any other videos or podcast that delv into House Hightower and their conections to maesters and the faith of the 7 ....maybe a playlist ?
The death of Baelon is giving me Jon Arryn vibes. I feel like the similar circumstances are designed to draw connections between the two for the reader. Was the “bursting stomach” caused by tears of lys as well?
I think Dooming the Dragons was way more subtle. It was Septon Barth telling Jahearyes, “Yeah we’re all upset about what happened to your daughter, have you considered I don’t know securing your giant hellbeast that survived the doom of Valyria twice now.”
Such a shame David and Joe Magician don't get along! I love both channels, but I definitely prefer the Lightbringer channel!
So im curious with the maester conspiracy do you believe that the faith of the seven is linked with the conspiracy? Im asking because ive watched the order of tbe greenhand's videos that talk about. Its always from them that i think of it as the maester/faith of the seven conspiracy.
Maybe, at times. More likely they are tools of the Citadel and the Hightower
Could the other forest death mentioned by Varys, the bite of an adder, be referring to the death of a future king, probably Tommen? Considering the presence of the Sand Snakes, that could be a literal or metaphorical statement.
I find it odd that Baelon isn't touched on. They mention the queens death in childbirth and that the baby followed a day later. But no mention of him being born sickly. No mention of him being born early. The only sign we have that something is wrong is the queen's death. The child was heir for a day and the only recorded comment on the child is Damon's remark. I think if the queen was killed its more then likely the child was also. And if you wanted to look at Damon is a better light he could have made his comment in a different context. Maybe even have been suspicious of the death. And that's why people moved to have him exiled.