Poor Man's Dangerous Game Cartridge
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Welcome to Ron Spomer Outdoors! In this video, Joseph discusses the poor man's dangerous gamer cartridge, the 9.3x62mm Mauser. Can this cartridge keep up with the big dogs, or does it fall short of the competition? Find out all this and more on this episode of Ron Spomer Outdoors.
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I thought this might be a .35 Whelen episode. Poor man's cartridge for sure. 30-06 case necked out to .358 caliber shooting a 250 grain bullet at 2400 fps 3200 ft/lbs. ain't no slouch. Manageable recoil too.
35 Whelen and 9.3x62 identical in performace cartridges. But the 9.3 popular overseas and the 35 Whelen in the USA
@@WillyK51 Both were built to fit the standard (non magnum) actions the creators had readily available to them at the time with minimal modifications. With that said, they are not identical in performance. The 9.3x62 has quite a few heavier loadings available to it making it the obvious winner out of the two. Bullet weights are available for the 9.3x62 in 230gr, 250gr, 270gr, 285gr, 286gr, 300gr, and 325gr variants.
I love my 35 Whelen. I had it built two years ago and it’s become my do it all rifle
Zimbabwe acknowledges the 9.3x62 as legal for Cape Buffalo. When Tanzania, then Tanganyika, wrote its first game laws for hunting dangerous game, the 9.3x62 was the exception to the rule.
The 35 Whelen is a good cartridge, but it's not legal
@@Paul-q3m7kThe 35 Whelen would be my 2nd choice of rifle to build, with the 338-06 being my first choice, both are incredible performers and can be used on everything from whitetail to bison!
I can buy 35 Whelen ammo but most gun shops in the US don't even know what the 9.3x62 is. Normally they don't know what the 35 Whelen is. They're all into black rifles.
It’s funny Americans clam to love guns, but they have absolutely no knowledge on them what so ever
Big 9.3x62 fan here. I use my Ruger Hawkeye loaded with Prvi 286gr rounds on whitetail here in Wisconsin. Soft jacketed bullet lead tip round nose with great expansion. Great in thick wooded areas. Made an 80 yard shot on a 10 pointer, drt. 1inch expansion 246 gr retained. Have had similar results so far.
Hope you had a good Wisconsin hunt this year!
Cheers, from Central Wis!
Also a 9.3x62 Wisconsin hunter. Great cartridge! Mine are CZ550s. I use 250g tsx at 2,555 f/s for everything from whitetail to black bear to nilgai in Texas in open areas and 286g tsx for the great northwoods in WI. Would be a perfect moose cartridge as well. Agreed--excellent in thick wooded areas. Easy to shoot. The slow push recoil is much easier to shoot than even my 6.5x285. Go Badgers.
I've got an FN 9.3x62 and found it to be a truly outstanding cartridge!! I took a cape buff with mine - right frontal quartering shot - slipped the projie just in front of the right shoulder, and the Woodleigh 286gr RNSN was found by the rear left rib. Fantastic straight line penetration!! Buff wobbled 10yds and dropped in it's tracks!! STILL an effective cartridge today as it was in it's heyday in Africa!! 👍
I shot my elk this year with a 9.3x62 using a 250gr Barnes TTSX.
Absolute sledge hammer, even at 300yds which after the shot was lasered as I didn't have time.
This is the second elk I've shot with this rifle and am very impressed with the performance.
I highly recommend this very versatile cartridge.
My rifle is built on a Savage model 111 re-chambered from a 30-06 by Jes Reboring in Oregon.
Think I peid less than $ 500.00 for one of the most accurate rifles I own!
Hi im hunting mainly moose in nothen Sweden, im been hunting since i was 18 (1975) with a Carl Gustaf 1900 6,5 55. About 15 years ago i was sick and tired of searching the animals becuse they was running more than 100 yards after a deadly shot. I read the statistics of some cartridges an found that the 9.3 74 thats i a commonly used in France - dual barrel guns, the statistics said that 80% of the games dropped less than 20 yards from where they got hit by the bullet. So the choise was simple- the 9,3 62 and the 9,3 74 is commonly loaded for the same performance, so i purchased a Sauer 202 9,3 62.. Last year i purchased a barrel brake to get some less recoil and today I have a recoil as the 6,5 55 at the 9,3 yay
I have a Czech former exchange student friend from 25 years ago who is a major forestry executive today. His family has leases on thousands of acres and hunt red deer and boars almost weekly. He also hunts bears in Kamchatka. His rifle is a Sauer with 2 barrels: .308 for Europe and 9.3x 62 for Asian and African dangerous game.
Like it's double barreled or it just has a quick-change barrel? Does 9.3x62 have the same bolt face as the .308? I've never even heard of that round
My apologies
They change barrels. 9,3x62 have the same bolt face.@@mfallen6894
Yes same Bolt face
Great gun and friend to have!
A local gun shop in western Pennsylvania had 5 Mossberg Patriot rifles in 375 Ruger that weren't selling and I picked up a stainless, cerakoted one in that caliber for $290 brand spanking new!! Sure, Ammo isn't cheap and I'm really happy I bought 2 boxes then, for $49/ box, now between $85 & $105/ box, but still, what a deal at $290!!! With the 270 gr Hornady sp, interlocks, 2,850 fps!! 3 shot, 5/8" groups at 100 yds
It’s a cool cartridge. That’s my idea of a poor man’s big game cartridge since it can be found in affordable rifles due to the normal length action. How’s the recoil on such a light gun?
@@Snailz5 it was stiff, I won't lie, but added a muzzle break at only $190 and it's like a 30'06 with (correction, not 180's, but 270 gr) Before the break, it was noticeably harsher than my 300 Remington Ultra Mag with 165's
good lord thats a steal
@@wiseguysoutdoors2954you had it right, recoil is similar to 3006 with 180s. Can't find a 270 gr .30 cal for the 06.
You forgot the cz 550… that’s my favourite modern rifle chambered in this cartridge
Addenda to my long comment regarding the 9.3x62. The gentleman I got my 9.3x62 from, who grew up hunting in Africa, now lives in the U.S, arranges African safaris and has many years experience hunting dangerous game, stated emphatically that the only shot that should be taken on elephants is a head shot, preferably within 50 yards. He said there is just too much to get through to get to the internal vital organs. He was also against scopes, even at low power because to hard to find the relatively small kill zone can be hard to find following recoil of the first shot or if the scope had been set at a high magnification.
There is even a 253 grain armor piercing bullet available for the 9.3x62, it's difficult to find because it's Russian. They use it in the 9x39mm, 9.3x53mmR, 9.3x64mm Brenneke, and a .338 Lapua Magnum wildcat they call 9x69mm SP-14.
My father hunts with this caliber. Last month watched him dropped a 5x5 elk at 200 plus yards on a trot. One shot dropped on the spot. Cleaning the elk there was little to no meat damage. Round is top notch!
I always wanted a 550 in 9.3x62. I probably need to get on it the way things are going! Shoot straight, Stay safe, God bless!
I had one. It would put three 270gr Speer bullets in a 1/2" at 100 yards. Lapua brass and H4350.
I always wanted a Remington 7600 in 9.3x62
I had one in 35 Whelen. Synthetic stock, carbine model.@@anonymousf454
@@anonymousf454 Man, wouldn't that be cool???
I'm still pissed at CZ for discontinuing the 550...Why? It's an iconic rifle?
Great video Joseph ! You two need to cover the big sister of the 9.3x62…. The 9.3x74. Also used a lot in Europe and Africa (even if the 9.3x62 seems more popular on the dark continent). A real classic too, you’ll love it
Cheers from France 🇫🇷
Absolutely love my 9.3. Moose to Elk never had an issue.
From time to time I've had the opportunity to purchase used 9.3 rifles, but I've already got a 35 Whelen and 375 H&H. The last thing I need is a scarce oddball cartridge (by American standards) to reload. I'm glad you covered its ballistic potential because that was another reason I hesitated to make a purchase in the past; I wasn't sure how well it would perform. Now I know.
9.3X62 is very popular in South Africa. CZ made some good models.
9.3x62 is a very common cartridge in Germany. It is widely used for everything from the size of a roe deer up to red stag. It is definitely capable of taking out whatever you are going to hunt. It's a shame that we don't have larger game than red stag in Germany. We can't even make use of the true potential of this cartridge.
Another "poor-man's Magnum" I discovered nearly 3 decades ago is the now standardized 338-06 A-Square... I had read several articles and load data etc. and became interested in seeking to obtain one in a classic bolt gun. Not finding any reasonably priced examples (at the time) I set about looking to build one. A poorly sporterized Mauser 98 was in the used gun rack at the local gunshop for only $175... A tour through the Brownell's catalog found the Adam's&Bennett barrel, a Fajen stock and a Timney trigger... I obtained Leupold QR mounts and a Beautiful pre-owned Schmidt&Bender 30mm FFP 3-12X56 SCOPE and blued and assembled the gun and optics as well as installed an aftermarket mag baseplate and tuned it all to shoot into 1 inch at 100 yards all day long.
My first Game dropped was a Maine Bull Moose at little over 175 yards using my handload Nosler Partion Spitzer 250 gr. over 51.2 gr of Reloader 15 for a muzzle velocity of 2570 fps. That 815 lb beast took two steps after taking that slug through both lungs and crumpled right there. I've since taken Black Bear, Whitetail, Wild Boar and even Coyotes using 180 Slugs at around 2700 fps... recoil is less abusive than my Remington 660 20" 308!... oh, and I've lent my 7lb, 15 oz 338-06 to two of my three brothers for their Moose Lottery permits and both were One Shot kills...
I built one a few years back on a savage 110. I could talk for days about the merits of the cartridge, nothing short of phenomenal. Very surprised it didn't take off more than it did.
.338-06 has better ballistic coefficient than .358 caliber too, but probably harder caliber to find in a rifle.
@@Kurtdog63 You know.
I've always had a fondness for this cartridge, from afar. I've never owned one, but I'm a sucker for a cartridge or rifle with a history.
You are 100% correct; zebra meat is absolutely delicious. I loved watching this video, in part, due to the fact I have a Sako 85 Deluxe in 9.3x62. The nostalgia of the caliber captured my attention after I went on an African safari, so I purchased that rifle, as well as a Ruger African in 275 Rigby.
Old African here: If zebra meat are ‘good eats’ wouldn’t plain old horse meat be even more tender and delicious? After all, the zebra has to earn its living staying one step ahead of lion. I’m thinking tough and stringy.
My father brought horse meat home a couple of times but I’ve never tried zebra. You’ve given me ‘food for thought.’
I am a great 9.3x62 fan. I am a Spaniard, and use it on wild boar driven hunts, as well as on roe deer stalks. I love it. I am delighted to see that it is becoming well-known in the USA as well. It deserves every bit of your attention, and is gaining popularity very quickly. It is a perfectly designed classic, ahead of its time, back in 1905, steadily gaining recognition. It was all but disappeared after the Second World War, but is coming back with authority. It will be loved by many American hunters as well.
If I may, I would like to recommend a monographic book on this cartridge. "9.3 X 62 Mauser Journal" (Third edition) by Hendrik Van Der Schyff, in 2021. It is very comprehensive, with history, ballistic comparisons, anecdotes, and a whole lot of experiences by different hunters.
I have a drilling double 12 with a 9.3x 57R rifle below.
Would you know anything about this size rifle cartridge?
Great round!
9,3x62 fan too 😉👍Blaser R8 and Bar Mk3 HC in South of France for wild boars and roe deers, using Norma Tip Strike and Brenneke TOG
35 whelen with 1:12 twist and heavy 310 grain woodleigh bullets just as effective
@@jamiehurtt3530 At much higher pressures. Not every commercial action can handle that weight bullet if you are loading it to try for 9.3x62mm performance. Elmer Keith loaded 310s heavy in his .35 Whelen, but he was known for being reckless with his loads. :)
I've been using the 9.3 x 62mm since the early 1970's when I was first introduced to it in Rhodesia (Zimbabwe). My rifle sports a 20 inch barrel and weighs 8lbs including optics. The recoil is comparitively mild (but still a bit brisk) and in my opinion it is far better than the 375 in use. There was an interesting article by Chris Bekker, called "Does excessive Bullet Spin Contribute to Bullet Failure?" It compares the 9.3 with the 375 ... and the 9.3 wins. I've tried searching online for this document, but cannot find a link. I have a .pdf available if anyone wants to read it.
Hi
I'd be interested by the article.
Regards
Patrice
Good job, Joseph! I used to read about African hunts in my youth. Never got to go, but the story telling is always good to hear! 👍
I worked with a AK guy who decided to buy a 9.3x62. He came to work with the biggest blackeye.
Its not the Cartridge, it kicks about the same as the 30-06 with a 180-220 grns bullet. Shooting after a Pint does that to you, Or maybe the old lady found out he wasn't hunting game but skirt
@@WillyK51 Yeah, no. It kicks a lot more than a 30-06....
30-06 has never left a bruise on my shoulder, 9.3x62 has.
@@simonsays582 Started shooting my 9.3 K98 when I was 17 and 140 pounds. Norma vulkan 232 grains around 2600 fps never had a bruise. is your rifle "super light" ??
@@hugtango , I wouldn't know what light is by rifle standards. It has a mannlicher stock on it though.
I fell into the lure of the light recoiling 9.3 X 62! The jokes on me! With a 286gr bullet at 2450fps in a lightweight Sako 85 Hunter - you kidding me??? The recoil was horrendous - the saving grace was it was super accurate! In fact I preferred my 375 H&H with a 300gr at 2550fps in a 10.5 lbs rifle vs the 9.3 Sako at 8lb scoped! It all depends on your rifle weight but a 375 with all the "African" accoutrements ( 1/4 rib , safari contour barrel & stock) tends to come in at around 10lbs. So beware there is no free lunch! 9.3's tend to be lighter!
Excellent coverage on the 9.3x62. thanks keep it up thanks again.
Excellent video on a great, but sadly overlooked cartridge. I am a 35 Whelen fan, but have come close many times to getting a 9.3X62. You did forget to mention the CZ550 when talking about rifles available for this round.
Damn, it's a shame what happened to CZ550.
At least some of us can buy Zastava in 9,3x62
Yes, the 550 is no longer made. 😢
@@raleighthomas3079 That's a shame too, but there are quite a few out there on the used market in excellent condition.
Only overlooked in the US...
Rest of the worlds knows it...
Good choice of topics, great information, and fine presentation -- thank you!
I also like 35 whelen, 338--06
The first thing my son said was the Whelen! It’s been known among old timers like my self for years!
My first thought but when he introduced it, I wasn't surprised, knowing that round is so respected that it is Grandfathered in as a DGR in many places vs 375 HH minimum rules.
I remember not long ago they said in Africa they used 7x57 Mauser.
I love this cartridge. I have it in the Ruger #1.
with almost identical characteristics to Ramshot Big Game is Alliant 2000MR. I use the latter and achieve 2400+ fps with 286 gr bullets at less than max charge in a slow 14 twist barrel. Apparently 12 twist barrels help the MV out a bit, but I'm pretty happy at 2350 - 2425 fps MV for any 285/286 gr bullet.
Taking mine to RSA next summer for some wildebeest, zebra, and gemsbok action, and if I chance across a cape buffalo cow, one of those as well.
Ol' Jerry's. 35 Whelen
I suspect you could re bbl any 30-06 action length in 9.3
Really good, intetesting video. My compliments, sir.
Savage made about 11 uncataloged 111FC rifles in 9.3x62 and I've been exceptionally pleased with mine. Harvested hog & bear with its 20" barrel. I cast a 250 & 300 bullet for 'cheap' plinking. Barnes 250 TSX & IMR 8208 deliver about 2400 fps @ 1 MOA and Nosler 250 AB will move large pieces of lung outside the body on hogs. Norma brass has more case capacity than PPU. RCBS dies are designed for using 30-06 brass necked up while Redding uses CIP dimensions which are larger in diameter at the base of web. RCBS dies swaged a belt into my PPU cases until I sent them back to RCBS for correction. Be aware of that if you have a 35 Whelen bored out & throated to 9.3x62. If you build a 9x39 you can use the same diameter bullets. Great medium bore!
Very well done again, Thanks
I can indeed confirm the versatility of the 9,3x62. I have been hunting with it in N. Europe for 15 years now and have Wild Boar (up to 350 lbs), Moose and Red Stag with it - all in one shot kills. And it takes a Roe Deer as well :-)
About 12 years ago, I saw a 9.3x63 Husquvana with a German-style mount and scope for $1500 at a gun show. Always regret not buying it, but my first son was on the way.
Come to Sweden then. We have lots of Husqvarna rifles chambered in 9,3x62. They are usually around 500 us dollars
Just may do that. I enjoyed my previous trips to Sweden. I’ll pick up a rifle, a few Moras, and another fishing reel.
@@nvojc8617That's the spirit! 😁
The scope and mounts would be around 1k
Super information on this rifle cartridge we here in the states never hear about. Thanks Joseph. Always love the information you share with us!
I know Zastava builds mausers in 9.3x62 and used to import that caliber to the US but haven't in a couple years.
No one has commented on the letter perfect imitation of Ron SPOMER? Didn't it seem curious that, with a slight change in the timber of the voice, you could play this with a photo of Ron on the screen and no one would know that it wasn't him?
Bravo!
And who besides RON could put aside his ego in order to share this gag with us?
BRAVO!
DOUG out
Am I the only one who only wants to see Ron on Ron's channel
Agreed
Ron and Joseph compliment each other. Both very knowledgeable and a wealth of information….not to mention, very experienced hunters across the major continents.
That was great content Europe is ahead of us in that respect !
Settlers in Africa wanted cartridges _able to_ handle dangerous game, though they really didn't plan on being "dangerous game" hunters. They didn't need an expensive, dedicated dangerous game rifle. Most probably had ONE rifle and wanted to use it for everything.
The .35 Whelen is very nearly identical to this cartridge. (but for bullet diameter being .358" v. .366") Both will do 2,600 fps with 225-232gr. bullets. With Woodleigh 275 gr. bullets the .35 Whelen can deliver 2400+ fps with several powders.
This is not surprising. They both use the same basic case and are virtually identical in every dimension, but for bullet diameter (the 9.3x62 is actually .050" shorter case length.)
Loaded in similar rifles at similar pressures they deliver nearly identical ballistics.
The biggest consideration would be that the bullets are proper for that use.
The 9.3x62, because of it's popularity with African hunters, has always been available with bullets designed for large, dangerous game. The .35 Whelen is factory loaded with bullets for deer through elk. But custom bullets for handloaders will fill the bill.
You hit the nail square on the head! I have pointed out in other videos that the SAAMI MAP for 9.3x62 is 57,500 psi and for the Whelen MAP is 62,000 psi. As such the Whelen will push any same weight bullet 100 fps or more faster than the 9.3x62. Besides the 275 grain bullet you mentioned Woodleigh makes a 310 grain bullet for the Whelen. DOUBLETAP AMMO loads the Woodleigh Weldcore 310 grain JSP to 2300 fps tested in a Remington 700 with a 24” barrel. Woodleigh provides reloading data showing up to 2345 fps for their 275 grain bullets and 2200 fps for their 310 grain bullet in the 35 Whelen. Hawk also makes 275 and heavier bullets for the Whelen but I haven’t seen any reloading data for those. I have both the 35 Whelen and the 9.3x62. In reality they are two peas in a pod. Funny thing is, it’s unlikely that I will ever shoot anything other than a Whitetail or Mule Deer with either. I can hand load but for thin skinned deer the 285 PPU or the old Remington Core Lokt are said to work just fine.
@@davewinter2688 The case dimensions of the 2 cases are nearly identical. Though the Whelen uses the "extra" 1mm in length in the neck length...which isn't a bad thing.
Case capacity is nearly identical and the difference in bullet diameter (.008") is not enough to make a difference.
For Americans, at least, the .35 bore offers more bullet choices, though few except custom bullets, are designed for dangerous game.
As _factory loaded_ the 9.3x62 is probably a better choice for dangerous game, but anyone owning either of these rifles is very likely (and definitely should be) a handloader. If you handload, there are plenty of .358" bullets available for dangerous game.
Trying to make a case for one over the other is beating a very dead horse.
@@garyK.45ACP As I said, “two peas in a pod”. I have said all the things you said at various times to those asserting that the 9.3x62 is far superior to the 35 Whelen. It appears that the only real advantage the 9.3x62 has is in those African countries that require the 9.2mm/0.366” bullet diameter and possibly a minimum energy for dangerous game. Also probably aren’t going to walk in to any where in Africa that sells ammunition and find 35 Whelen on the shelf. Happy Hunting!
@@davewinter2688 True. BTW the same can be said for anyone espousing the wonders of many of the new cartridges...most of which are the same product that's been available for 100+ years packaged in a different sized bottle. Though in this case, both cartridges are quite old.
@@garyK.45ACP Yep! Hand loaded 7x57 in medium length (Kar 98} actions equal to and better than 7mm-08 especially with the heavier longer bullets that can be seated farther out. Same for the 6.5x55. Even in the M96 Swedish action it will outclass the 6.5 Creedmoor. Most folks don’t know how strong the Swedish Mausers are because they were specified to be built with a super strong tough Swedish steel. Better than any German steel. Even the “Swedish” Mausers, M96 or M98, built in Germany were required to use the Swedish steel. 9.3x57 pretty much the same as 358 Winchester. All old, all just as good as cartridges 100 years younger!
I have the 9.3x62 rifle. Its a great round.
I load the 9.3x62 going by John Barnes Data. Which is around 60,000 psi. My 250 accubonds with varget run 2630 fps and 286 gr bullet with big game powder runs 2510 fps.
You didn’t mention any of the classic 9.3x62 Swedes. I recently acquired a Husqvarna M640 9.3x62 built in 1946. The gentleman I got it from grew up hunting in Africa where his father was a government game ranger. Now he lives in the U.S., arranges African Safaris and still hunts in Africa himself. He said he had taken three Cape buffalo with the rifle I got from him in recent years before selling it to me. It was one of his extra rifles. He also mentioned that in Africa the 9.3x62 is referred to as the European 375. Interestingly he said that his two favorite cartridges for hunting the world over are the 300 Win Mag and the 375 Weatherby Magnum because you can accurately shoot regular 375 H&H rounds in the Weatherby chamber and you instantly have fire formed cases ready to be loaded to 375 Weatherby velocities.
The biggest problem with using the 9.3x62 in the U.S. on relatively light thin skinned game, i.e. White Tails and Mule Deer, is that most of the bullets from U.S. manufacturers are too heavily constructed and may just shoot right through those species with little or no expansion. The gentleman I got my Husqvarna from specifically recommended that I use the inexpensive Privi Partisan 285 grain JSP or the old Remington Core Lokt on White Tails or Mule Deer, which is all I’m ever likely to shoot , because both of those have relatively thin jackets on the front of the bullet that will expand well at moderate velocities while retaining enough bullet weight for good penetration. The Hornady 286 grain Inter Locked JSP may work on the thin skinned deer but it might also be too stout for the relatively light weight thin skinned deer. Unfortunately I haven’t been able to try any of it yet. I have plenty of new PPU cases, some PPU factory ammunition but have only been able to obtain the 286 grain Hornady bullets for reloading. Hornady makes a 300 grain solid they call the DG which is specifically designed for dangerous game. I don’t think I’ll be needing any of that. Happy hunting boys and girls!😊
I do wonder what a basic 16-24in .308 rifle would do with heavy hard hitting solid copper rounds around say the 170-200grn range on dangerous game. I bet around 100yds it would do pretty well. However I wouldn’t want to be the one to test it on water buffalo up close myself. Still I’ve seen the gel test, they got potential.
I used to have a 35whellan ai that I called My poor mans dangerous game load !
Surprised nobody mentioned the .358 Norma? I've loaded 180TTSX, 200,225,Accubond, 250 Partition. Seems pretty versatile to me as an all around shoot most anything choice. It can be loaded to 35 Whelan levels or full power when needed.
The Hornady 35 Whelen 200 grain SuperFormance load equals the 358 Norma Magnum load with the same bullet weight. On both ends of r rifle!😂
Can yall do a video on 300 Savage? I recently picked up a Remington 700 chambered in 300 savage and had never heard of it before finding that rifle in my local gun store. Would love to see a video about it!
Also the ballistics were developed on an old 96 Mauser action.
With safe hand loads in a 98 Mauser action or modern action able to handle 30-06 or270 chamber pressure , the increase in velocity, my Husqvarna 1640 in 9.3x62 will shoot 296gr bullets 2600fps safely.
Thank you 😊
This same review on the same cartridge was done years ago by Peter Hathaway Capstick in his book, 'Death In The Long Grass'.
Another thing with cartridges with a bit lower pressures is extraction. The higher the pressure, the more likely to have extraction issues.
Nice cartridge but please talk about the 9.3×64mm Brenneke next!
Used a lot in Australia for hunting sambar deer
Love seeing Ron collaborate with Joseph. They have very similar opinions and take on things, so they seem to work well together. It’s great seeing Ron mentor these guys who will be carrying the torch for the next generation. Very good job on the videos! Ps I love the backcountry hunting podcast
I previously had an FN Mauser in 30-06 caliber converted to 9.2x62 by a Nuremberg gunsmith. A picture of a hunting rifle from after 1900 was used as a model. It was a very precise weapon. Good for Africa and the north for moose hunting. I am a German from Franconia and now live in Thailand.
To answer the question, yes. A Gibbs African Hunter Rifle in 72 caliber, obtained from Dixiegunworks for just over $2,000, with a 550 grain round ball sitting on top of 150 grains of black powder, travelling at 1440fps delivers 2531 foot pounds of energy and a TKO value of 80 - TWICE that of a 375H&H.
Black powder is easily and cheaply made, so are percussion caps. Lead can be found anywhere.
It's a cheap dangerous game rifle, and MORE than adequate at 50 yards for just about anything if you're using hardened lead balls. Just don't miss.
It doesn't matter as much anymore. A DG hunt is such an expensive proposition that a suitable, used 375 H&H isn't a major portion of any hunt you're going to do. 9.3x62 might be allowed outside the normal scope that starts at 375 HH but if the law requires 41+ you're not going to be covered in either case. In that situation I'd go straight to 458WM - yes, despite it's shortcomings.
The 35 Whelen
I’ve heard that Zebra 🦓 was excellent eating.
It is
8x57JS next!
So thats gonna be the 35 Whelen or 9.3x62..
Hello from SE AK, Mr. von Benedikt. I went from this to the Backcountry Hunting Podcast. Not knowing the similarities in the host at all!! Thank you for the information on the 30-06 cartridge. Picked up my first rifle, Springfield model 30-06. I have it dialed in for 100 yards open sight. I hope to provide nutrition for myself sooner than later. Merry Christmas and Godbless
Knowledgeable fellow. I liked the video. Thank you.
I have an M96 Carl Gustav chambered in 9.3 x 62. The barrel is a rebored 1917 Enfield (Nichols). We lopped 2 inches off each end of the barrel, rethreaded it for the small ring Mauser, and crowned the 22" barrel.
I tried using 35 Whelen brass, but the 9.3 x 62 case is a little larger than the 06 based brass. Didn't like that slight case bulge above the case web. So, I only use factory 9.3 x 62 brass.
This cartridge is pleasant to shoot and carry. It handles 286 grain bullets with ease. Also, the 9.3 TUG bullets work just fine.
Townsend Whelen designed the 35 Whelen to mimic the 9.3 x 62 Mauser. IMHO, he failed because it's primarily used on the thin-skinned American game. Consequently, one has to handload the 35 Whelen to get adequate performance from it.
Where the 9.3 x 62 shines is with well constructed heavy bullets at reasonable velocities. It's very useful for close range shooting.
CZ offered their 600 series bolt action rifle in 9.3 x 62, Husqvarna made civilian versions on the M38 actions, and Sako makes them as well.
A 22 to 24 inch bareeled M98, pre-64 M70, and good M96 / M38 Swedish Mausers make nice 9.3 x 62 hunting rifles.
Very good presentation on a great cartridge.
W.D.M. Bell shot elephants (many!) with 7x57mm Mauser. Of course you could doesn't mean you should. Jim Corbett shot man-eater tigers and leopards also with the 7x57mm Mauser (as a British, he called it .275Rigby).
20 years ago I purchased a Swedish made Mauser in 9.3x62 .. i had it D&T had the bolt handle bent .. and installed a low mount safety.. installed a low powered scope PPU 9.3x62 ammo was inexpensive 286gr SP
I used that rifle to take 3 Black bear and 4 or 5 pigs
One of the bear weighed over 375lb
The gun was suprisingly low recoiling … I ended up trading to a fellow who wanted to replace his 338 mag
Also a 45/70 with a 400 and heavier hard cast bullet will go the job on Cape
Amazing Bull you got!
On my eventual once in a lfietime cape buffalo hunt, I want to load RL15 behind some 300 gr swift a frames, hoping they do well but by reputation im pretty stoked.
Considering 308 is commonly used on bears even polar bears and eland in Africa this cartridge seems more than capable for anything you’ll find roaming earth these days lol
The 9.3 case can be made from '06 brass, in terms of form factor, there isn't much reason to try it. The heads are actually the same size, not to SAMI specs for the 9.3, but rather the 30-06. The 62 case is actually pretty cool. It is like a magnumized, and improved, 30-06 case. It is ideal for wildcats. 30-06 has a capacity of 68 grs H20, the 9.3 78, and the 300 win mag is 92. While the 9.3 is straighter walled, sharper shouldered, unbelted, fits in 30-06 length actions, and is available is the same head diameter as the 30-06 for easy use of standard actions.
It can be done, but the head of the case will develop a bulge, since the head size of the 9.3 is a bit bigger than the aught-six case. This is a stop gap solution for ammo.
What about the 9.3x62 vs the 35 Whelen?
So close they are practically twins
Identical in performance, 35 Whelen popular in the USA and the 9.3 Overseas
@@WillyK51 Always wanted a Rem 7600 rebored to 9.3x62.
Come on🤣 There are plenty 7600 in 35 Whelen. Depending on where you live. 30-06 Brass everywhere. Still, Why not@@anonymousf454
Soon I'm having my old US 1917 Enfield Rebarreled to 35 Whelen. Simpler than reboring@@anonymousf454
Seems like a nice round
9.2 is the Continental competition to the .375 H&H
Speaking to lots of African PH's they say it kicks too much.
Personally I would go for the .375 H&H or .4I6 Rigby.
The man of many hats.
Doesn't require a magnum action. Great cartridge
Been wanting to get a Sauer 100 in 9.3x62. They are out of stock everywhere though.
My Drilling uses 9,3x72 ammo. I have a few boxes of it. Is it the same as 9,3x62?
As an german hunter I prefare the traditional Mauser 98 system. Often copied, never reached as well the Suhler side-by-side shotguns, over and under (,,Bockflinte") Drilling or combined side-by-side Büchsflinte, or similar over-and-under Bockbüchsflinte. These old style manufactured guns put every plastic-gun into shame. 👍
You forget the real deal in 9,3.
It is the 9,3 x 64!!!
It is WAY superior in all parameters and delivers the same energy like .375 H&H.
9,3 x 64 can be loaded well around and even above 4400 ft lbs and has a super flat trajectory.
9,3 x 64 is the superman cartridge. Check it out!
I recently bought an husqvarna mod 46 that one is built on the mauser 96 action in 9,3x57 i love that rifle very mild recoil but hits the target like a hammer norma alaska bullets 285grain
How does this compare to the .338 ?
I use this cartridge in Africa and Europe, in one of the best all around cartridges till 200 metres.
the 9.3x62 is in the middle between 35 Whelen and 338 win mag?
I don't think there is an issue with the formula that calculates energy. I think the problem is how we interpret the effect of that energy. The formula just tells you what is happening at the muzzle. We add variables such as weather conditions, altitude, intended target, manufacturer/type of bullet, and so forth, and so on. Double the mass and double the energy. Double the velocity and quadruple the energy. Physics 101.
Read about the 9.3×62's great performance on game animals 40 years back. Never been very popular in the U.S. or Canada
It's a crying shame. Great cartridge from what I read years ago. Maybe Elmer Keith wrote the article? If he endorsed that cartridge....well you know its going to thump pretty hard.
The 9.3x74R as well.
More good stuff.
Thank you for more or less stating that a cartridge may look inferior on paper, are actually a low-recoil goldilocks cartridge when paired with tough projectiles. This is the story of the 6.5x55 Swede, it does not look like much on paper but is can take large game when paired with a tough bullet and when the hunter does their job. African hunter W. D. M. Bell killed hundreds of elephants with his favorite rifle the Mannlicher-Schoenauer 6.5×54mm and the 7x57 Mauser, I can assure you the 9.3x62 mm can dispatch an elephant with authority.
I heard that Bell would pull the projectile on 140 gn. cartridge and turn it around so that the flat end was up front. And killed many elephants with the 6.5 mm. The reason being that an elephant's frontal skull is honeycomb in structure and that long 140gn. would make it to the brain.
@@paulstaney325 Interesting, it sounds illogical though. The higher the force/pressure in a smaller area is going to break through what it is trying to go through. Think of tempered safety glass in a car window, you can hit it with a baseball, a fist, an elbow because all of those item spread the force over a larger area and the glass usually does not break, but hit that same window with less force, but in an extremely small area and the window shatters because all the same force is now on a sharpened steel point. A bullet facing backwards is going to spread force out and not penetrate as deep, a tough pointed bullet will concentrate the energy and bust through tough bone and keep penetrating.
I get 2450fps with a 286gn Swift Aframe out of my 20”barrel rifle in 9.3x63 with less than moa groups
The premise of the title would suggest if you don't own/hunt with a Magnum action rifle you're poor! 9.3x62 is a fantastic round and popular in Continental Europe, but lost favour on the Dark Continent post WW1 for obvious reasons allowing the .375H&H to gain further traction and popularity.
Lived in Europe nearly 10 years. US ex-pats swore by American cartridges, but Europeans had different opinions. US marketing is so biased.
Browning makes gun for 9 3×62. Have a semi bar longtrack i handload with 250 grain nosler accupoint.