@@ruffendtv1320 OK KD was a free agent, so what are we talking about? They just didn’t want to pay him what he wanted but he could have stayed and had them build a team around him.
Shout out McCants for sticking to the context of Shaq’s statement. They are arguing two different points. In this case McCants is arguing the point that matters (Shaq’s point)
I’m a Shaq fan and I’m still traumatized by Shaqs move.. I totally understand why Cleveland hated LeBron for leaving.. Miami Loved him for coming and Boston and Lakers Fans hated him for making it a little easier for himself when competing against their Dynasty 🤷🏾♂️.. I still a fan of Shaq, it’s life
Ray Allen was a role player by the point he went to Miami and was coming off the bench for half the games in his last season with Boston. He was getting pretty openly shopped around and disrespected by the Celtics organization. He said "if y'all don't want me, I'm gonna go somewhere that does". A completely different situation than KD joining the Warriors.
People never watched Ray in Milwaukee for some reason. Dude was way more than just a shooter in his prime which he was past when he went to Boston, nevermind Miami.
Ray Was still a strong starter on majority NBA teams even at 36. And he played 6th man for Miami even ran some point guard duty for a bit when they had injuries.
Shaq actually said that the reason he left Orlando was because of this: He was sitting at home one day when ESPN came on stating that Zo had gotten a $100M deal from Maimi. He then stated that he told Orlando that he should get paid more than Zo because he was better. Orlando didn't meet his request and that was when the Lakers came calling. Point is he only left Orlando because he wanted to get paid more than Zo. He was not seeking a SUPER TEAM.
Rashad is making no point. There's person A and person B who did the exact same thing. He takes the side of person A and penalizes person B. Barkley hopped around trying to win, Rashad covers for him. Shaq did it, Rashad covers for him. But when LeBron left the Cavs who he had 60 wins with just like Shaq had 60 wins in Orlando to go play for a better organization, Rashad penalizes LeBron. Shaq has played with prime Penny, Kobe, Wade, Nash & Stoudemire in Phoenix, LeBron, that Celtics squad with Rondo, Allen, Paul & KG. That's Shaq's entire career. 0 dead spots as far as to tier talent around him. The only great player he DIDNT play with was Jordan lol. It just doesn't sit right coming from him. If Hakeem said that, then everyone would have to be quiet because Hakeem won where he was drafted and MJ himself said he's glad he avoided Hakeem on the big stage. But for Barkley & Shaq to come at any player for wanting to play with other good players is so funny.
@@jacobsworld9253Not the exact same thing. In fact it's not even close. Barkley was unhappy in Philly and got traded. He wanted to go to Portland but they didn't pull off the trade. He had one last legitimate gasp when the Rockets traded for him to team up with also past their primes Olajuwon and Drexler but he was physically breaking down and despite adding Pippen after the Bulls broke up they still never reached the Finals. Shaq was a free agent and was trying to establish himself in the acting/rap game. He chased money not rings. When he joined LA, Kobe was an unknown commodity. Eventually, Kobe wanted to be the alpha and the Lakers chose to send an aging but still potent Shaq to Miami to pair with a promising rookie in Wade. Wade had only one year under his belt before Shaq joined the Heat he wasn't a mega star. The rest of his stints? Sure you could say he chased rings but when washed up former greats do that it is acceptable because they are no longer in their prime and are no longer capable of carrying a team. Even if they win, they won't get the lions share of credit. When LeBron and Bosh joined Wade in Miami they CHOSE to team up. They did so early in their primes. They controlled their destiny. Barkley chose to be traded and had little choice where he ended up. Shaq chased money, he never colluded with other players to team up in LA or Miami. Same for Durant, he CHOSE to team up with Steph and Klay. LeBron and KD will always be known as ring chasers and they made that choice knowing the optics. They took the easy road. No need to defend them.
Absolutely. The Lakers were far from a superteam. Only way this would make any sense is if Shaq joined the Sonics, maybe Spurs or Jazz. He would've stayed with the Magic, but they refused to pay him any reasonable money. And what is this nonsense Bulls argument? KD didn't join the Cavs. LeBron and Bosh didn't team up with Wade the year after he won the championship. And then Gil himself even points out that the Magic had 60 wins, they were even a better team than the Lakers. And then he goes on and tells lies about Barkley, he had 20pts in his second season with the 76ers, second most after Malone and played more minutes than Malone and Dr.J. Also the 76ers didn't make it to the conference finals. Gil just knows nothing, makes up stuff and screams.
He be on point u just got to lock in . He saying shaq joined a 53 win team . Same shit kd did basically but wit more stars the stars that put him out . Same wit charles barkley leaving suns rockets with stars bro .
Absolutely. The Lakers were far from a superteam. Only way this would make any sense is if Shaq joined the Sonics, maybe Spurs or Jazz. He would've stayed with the Magic, but they refused to pay him any reasonable money. And what is this nonsense Bulls argument? KD didn't join the Cavs. LeBron and Bosh didn't team up with Wade the year after he won the championship. And then Gil himself even points out that the Magic had 60 wins, they were even a better team than the Lakers. And then he goes on and tells lies about Barkley, he had 20pts in his second season with the 76ers, second most after Malone and played more minutes than Malone and Dr.J. Also the 76ers didn't make it to the conference finals. Gil just knows nothing, makes up stuff and screams.
Bruh Gil argument never is credible smh he saying shaq going to the Lakers was a super team is wild thats why I never can watch a full show because he is about creating narratives like the regular media. Remind me does he have a HOF jacket
I think Gil is right anyone criticizing will pose the situation in a way that makes them look better. Even if they’re doing the sane thing as the ones they’re criticizing. The fact is most superstars don’t want to go to a losing team, they all want to go to a place that gives them the best chance to win. That’s the bottom line. Create any other narrative around that you want.
@@RenzoP3 yes you want to go to a team that got a chance to win but you don’t go to the best in the league especially when they just beat you As one of the top in the league and a potential hall of famer you can’t just say it’s too hard so you gonna play with the team who been 1 of the 2 best teams over the past few years You can’t act like the warriors ain’t just make it to the finals multiple times consecutively before he went there
He using the whole context. Shaq left the part out where he was ring chasing that’s all Gil sayin. However u look at it leaving a team to join another is ring chasing.
@@ProdbyAshtro 1st off that’s not what he implying at all he’s implying the lakers were some sort of juggernaut already before he joined …. And nah if he was ring chasing he would’ve went to the bulls like he said … before Kobe (who shaq didn’t even know about ) that lakers team was no different than his Orlando team who had just made the finals chief …. If I’m ring chasing I’m not going to the spurs or maybe even the rockets ? You know the other 90s championship winners …..🤦🏾♂️
People act like Parrish wasn’t a 20/10 guy before going to Boston… How the Knicks got there big 3 , Barkley trying to go to Portland then joining the suns. Rodman on the bulls
@joshuaroach4045 Right. And there was no superstar in LA when Shaq went there. Gil would have had a point if Shaq went there to join prime Magic or another superstar
@justinfletcher7630 yup that's why he started getting loud. I realized the guy who's right in these debates is usually more calm because his points are logical. McCants was so chill why Gil was getting loud for no reason 🤣
How are the 4 of them so clueless? Blind leading the blind at it's finest. There's no way that Rashad is the only one in that room who picked up on exactly what Shaq was saying.
Players have more leverage now compared before. I dont think its morals. It's a biased take. Teams have way bigger salary cap and are more capable to sign multiple superstars. Now it's more about which teams are willing to pay more and which team have capable management that will result to winning. "Morals" mans had his first starting 5 full of hall of famer. stop it
@@aaronpasco1645 Morals mans went to the Lakers in 96-97 with not one superstar besides himself on the roster. Kobe blossomed into a Superstar eventually, but Shaq didn't sign to a team with a player who was already an "established" superstar. Outside of Shaq and Kobe those Lakers teams had a bunch of solid role players who knew how to play their part, and hit some big shots when they counted most. Say what you want about the later years of his career where he himself was essentially a role player with the Cavs, Suns, and Celtics, but his Lakers years weren't spent gathering teams of "Super friends" to shift the competitive advantage in their favor. Lakers management at that time had a storied history of winning as a franchise, so why not go there? Especially with everything that LA (the city) had to offer at the time? In my opinion Salary cap and player leverage are a different conversation, and present a hypothetical scenario that I can't speak on.
@@Ajeff1989they had 53 wins the year before they were close stfu with that. They won 50+ games 3-4 years in a row including 60 something in 98 when they went to the conference finals against Utah I don’t wanna hear NOTHING about Shaq not picking the best situation for him. Just because they didn’t win till Kobe matured doesn’t mean it wasn’t a power play
@@showtimesportsmedia6906 @showtimesportsmedia6906 Orlando won 60 games the year before he went to the Lakers. The season before that they won 57...What are we talkin' about? He left a winning situation to go to another winning situation...in a larger market...I can't speak on what drove that decision, but you're really not arguing a relevant point. We're talking about Bonafide Superstars leaving to team up with other Bonafide Superstars...Not players leaving winning situations, to join other Winning situations....
@EddiePReacts that's not what he was wrong about. The point Shaq was making is that if it was acceptable back then to join forces with other stars to win championships, his decision to go to LA might have been different.
But he trippin. He makes no sense. If Shaq could have went to Chicago he would have he only saying he wouldn't have because 1. He couldn't. 2. Kd got the worst wrap of all time, so why would he admit to that.
@@jaydell4039 Ok but if he wanted more money, it nullifies what Gil is saying. Gil is saying that Shaq left Orlando because MJ came back, and he knew that he wouldn't have a chance to even get to the finals with Orlando.
2:22 no it’s also who he went too they were 73-9 without him beat him or not. that’s arguably the greatest team of all time and he was arguable the best player in the world at the time, top 2-3
@@itzbreeze9839 Yeah, with him just solely saying if it were acceptable with no shade or fuss about the ordeal. Salary cap wasn't mentioned but definitely was a factor then, just not in this casual mention.
Ray Allen was 36 years old when he joined Miami. He was also 5 years from his last all-star appearance. KD was a top 3 player in the League and went to the team that beat after going up 3-1
KD was a free unrestricted free agent when he joined the warriors.... so whats the problem? If lebron was UFA n had to a chance to go to the warriors im sure he would've went too!!
@@Life_943lebron only left when he was a free agent. How is it different? You’re not making sense. People are holding it against him joining a team that is unproven and sucked when he left.
Allen was still a needed piece (like KD) he was on pace to set the all time 3 point record at the time. He also went to the team that beat them the previous year, just like KD.
Naw we not going to do that like Ray hasn't won a title with Boston and got back there, he left because they wanted him to take a backseat while Pierce and Garnet stayed propped up. Let's get the story right. KD hadn't won anything
@@MrMex44 ummm KD went to the warriors as a free agent but ppl was talking shit because the warriors beat them the year before..... n MJ played on a suck team for years n never left n got 6 rings with that same team So lebron excuse was the team was ass so he joined forces with the Top 2 Guard of the league who already won a championship n beat them as well years before? So lebron gets a pass huh.... yall don't make sense at all
Ray was done dirty by Boston. BOS actually traded him to Memphis but the deal fell apart and they even benched him for Avery Bradley. Ray was pissed and went to Miami. Plus Ray was older. KD with Russ was up 3-1 against GSW and lost. Even tho OKC made some bad moves like trading Harden & KD said F it imma go to GSW. KD was in his prime.
Mccant is right no matter how loud you speak Gil. Also Shaq didnt force trades to get himself to other teams like todays stars do. They force teams to trade them.
Interesting but lebron never got traded. He always finished his contract and delivered at least 1 ring to each team. Never played for a hof coach like Mike did
He did. History repeats. Exactly how his trades, and any other stars/players in history, came to be done. That's exactly how it is today. I know most of y'all think that because it wasn't documented it's not what happened.
Nobody has ever chased a Ring worse than Shaq. He ran to Wade He ran to Nash He ran to LeBron He even ran to the damn Celtics after being a Laker. No shame at all
Cmon Gil there is NOTHING that ever happened in the NBA that can be compared to KD going to Golden State. A top 3 player went to a team that was in the Finals back to back years, a team that won 73 games, a team that had a 2 time MVP who is also a top 3 player in the NBA + Klay and the others. And also its the same team that just beat you in a 3-1 comeback, cmon man there is nothing comparable to that.
do you know why it is the biggest problem that is always unstated in all other scenarios it was a piece, but it was not league breaking. Warriors already destroyed the basketball other knew and love with kD there was no timeline that Warriors will not win (barring injuries)
like man tell me what kind of team with Shaq , malone , kobe , gp ,horry fischer is not winning it was just that they have pathetic chemistry and other off court shit.
i dont blame kd because its the media that made this narrative. if you dont win rings your career is made out to be nothing. then the way you win is criticized now.
Orlando didn't want to pay Shaq as the #1 option. That's why him and Penny had beef. LA paid him what he wanted and he left. Watch the Magic Moments 30 for 30 he talk about it
Jordan didn't play that whole year ... he came back later in the season. He trying to say he know Mike is back for good. Mike 6 in a row when he played the whole season and started out with the Bulls in training camp and pre-season. That's why he the GOAT.
@@tahgeandrew7945Yeah, they did contact with Grant Hill 3 years later (after a NBA strike which led to an increase in the salary cap). The Magic really thought in 1996, that no player deserved that contract, which in hindsight was DUMB. They lacked the foresight to see that guys NOT AS GOOD AS SHAQ (ie. KG) would also receive that type of money.
Yoo Gil stop the cap the heat lost first year cuz sheed broke d wade eye the heat was up 3-2 in the conf finals first year.If Shaq doesn’t go to the heat they never go to the finals of course he needed wade however no shaq no ring period
@@InfamousMalice6 shaq said he wanted money, and every claim Gil has is backed by Shaqs actions as well. If there was enough money to pay Shaq hella bread to make a super team w him on the bulls or the jazz he def woulda went
I don't think Gilbert understands Shaq left a better team to go to a worst team 62 wins 52 to get away from a 72 and 10 bulls team KD left good team to join a team that just set the all-time record for single-season wins. It's obviously not the same.
Not when he went to Miami, not when he start ring chasing to the Celtics, Cavs. Like these old heads gotta stop acting like we don’t remember the bull shit they did 😂
@@dparks2856 when you say worse team you’re talking about record but remember he left Cleveland to go to Miami with Wade and Bosh. Left Miami to play with kyrie and Love. The only time Bron left to a ‘worse’ team was when he went to LA but eventually they filled out the squad the championship year
@vblack5034 that shaq would've went to the bulls and gil and kenyon is telling him was he gonna go there for 2 mil? Cause the cap is different that it is now. He keep saying what shaq Is saying which is he would've joined mik, but but saying the reason he left Orlando is they wouldn't give him 100 mil.
@@B.Piercesportsthe point is mccants is trying to protect that era because he hates lebron and this helps his narrative read between the lines, and during that time players were great at specific roles and you were considered a superstar hence dennis rodman pure rebounder nothing else so yes the team shaq joined was yes a superteam, he didn’t have the option to join the bulls because they couldn’t pay him like gil said or else he would’ve went lmao he was looking for a good team and a bag mccants is wrong he just doesn’t like this era of basketball
Mc Cants is a little right tho if you listen to him- lakers only had eddie jones van exel and some other dudes it was before kobe so that was 96 then they got kobe because of jerry west they traded vlade divac but it was shaqs team.. Then however he basically had to share the team w/kobe
They not even arguing the same point. Gil thinks because he talks loud and fast he right. Stars in the 80s and before stayed with their Teams in their prime.
Bruh you so full of shit, That Larry Bird squad and Magic squad were stacked as shit, do you really think those players were all just drafted? Come on man, all star players have won with other star players, you can’t win with below average players, currently their are 7 teams truly contending, back then it was always 4-5
@@baldblade4852 No you're wrong he left because they don't wan to pay him and Alonzo morning had just got that new big contract and they don't wanna match it and the lakers did it Go research
Gil was arguing against himself the whole time. Espeically when he broke down the best teams from the 96 season. Not only were there teams that didnt have the cap for shaq, they also had a plaher already playing the same positkon. We can actually ignore shaq point and just focus on the fact lakers at the time was a good team that shaq thought he could take over to the top and be alone on the top. Kobe came around of course since he was ylinger, the keys were going to be handed to him and shaq didnt like that, proving rashad point about having your own castle
It's like Rashad has that NZT Limitless pill in his system for the 1st 5 minutes of the discussion. Then, it wears off, Gil picks up on it & just goes HAM on him😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
They just be making up ish Orlando said Shaq wasn't worth big money so Jerry west did what he do. Then they brought up MJ contract when that was MJ first big contract and i guarantee he would have taken less to get Shaq.
If anyone remembers Orlando didn’t wanna pay him , they put that post out in the news paper is Shaq worth 100m and Alonzo ( no disrespect because he was a savage ) had just got 130m and he felt disrespected and actually went to a team LA at the time to return them to prominence. He went to Miami from LA who was not near as good as the Lakers that he left , every time Shaq left in the prime of his career he went to a weaker team and made them contenders now at the end of his career he chased a 5th chip . I’d love to see the debate with O’Neal on the show it’d be dope af .
Absolutely. The Lakers were far from a superteam. Only way this would make any sense is if Shaq joined the Sonics, maybe Spurs or Jazz. He would've stayed with the Magic, but they refused to pay him any reasonable money. And what is this nonsense Bulls argument? KD didn't join the Cavs. LeBron and Bosh didn't team up with Wade the year after he won the championship. And then Gil himself even points out that the Magic had 60 wins, they were even a better team than the Lakers. And then he goes on and tells lies about Barkley, he had 20pts in his second season with the 76ers, second most after Malone and played more minutes than Malone and Dr.J. Also the 76ers didn't make it to the conference finals. Gil just knows nothing, makes up stuff and screams.
If KD going to the Warriors and only being able to win when on that team but losing 100% of the time when not on that team, then Jordan only being able to win ring when playing on the best team of his era but then losing 100% of the time when not on that team negatively impacts 6/0. Most everyone can win when playing on the best team and can win multiple times when staying up under that team. But if you can win when NOT having to play on the best team is the real accomplishment. And winning multiple times when not on that team creates distance from the guy who was limited to winning when on that team.
I understand what Gil is saying the 95 team did have 53 wins but their best player was Cedric Ceballos😂 it's not like he was joining forces with another superstar
That’s cause he kept getting swept out the playoffs… then they got Phil Jackson …. They had the team around him … that early Lakers team had 4 all-stars
@@monochrome493 whitesplaining? Lost all credibility there. Dont be mad he spitting facts, players back in that time didnt come together as easily as they do now. Todays NBA goes by another mantra
Shaq left because Orlando did not want to match the Lakers offer. The thing is about Gil is when the players are on the platform he doesn't keep this same energy 😂
Boston did not call Ray Allen. But Kevin Durant was the number one player on his team, he wasn't going to worry about if the OKC was going to be calling him. He was the franchise player and he made the decision to go to another team. I understand that he wanted a ring but the comparison is not the same.
YOU DO KNOW THAT THINKING SOMEBODY IS "WRONG" IS JUST YOUR PERSONAL OPINION RIGHT ??? YOU DO KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THAT GIL IS CORRECT RIGHT ???
Gil isn’t understanding that joining a team with 2-3 superstars is different than joining a team with the third best record and a couple of all stars lol. Star player for the Lakers at the time Shaq joined was Cedric Ceballos who was later traded for Robert Horry. Shaq is saying that was a more respectable decision than if he would have signed with Utah who had Stockton and Malone, or the Bulls when they had Jordan and Pippen.
Definitely was. They had no big names even though Ceballos was the best player. Van Exel and Eddie Jones were the biggest names. Magic Johnson was there but he was coming out of retirement going back into it when he was exposed to HIV. He was no threat just the biggest name. His career was over.
Joining superstars don't mean shit, on paper Clippers should be the best team in the league and I won't be surpised if they lose first round,Miami loss first year with Bron, wade and bosh, Nets with KD, Harden, Kyrie? Lmao only casual fans make it seem like super stars on one team means automatic win that's not how the sport works.
@@quxncy9492 Good point on the Clippers. They have been plagued with bad luck on injuries a lot. Last season they took game 1 against Phoenix then Kawhi went down.
@OtakuTalkOD but who hasn't tried to team up with different t people? KG and Chris Paul said they wanted to go to LA and Kobe put in the calls to make it happen, but NOBODY says anything about that. KD move was cowardly but people try to get on Bron about dipping but don't understand that nobody wants to live in Ohio. It's not a attractive market so either he could waste his career waiting for a competent player or dip out. I see bron came back when a competent player (kyrie) was on the cavs but they wouldn't get kyrie without bron leaving
@@christiancrews4278 that's not the point of the argument. People are expounding this to argue a narrative. At the end of the day the truth of the matter was it was frown upon, looked down on, generally not permitted to leave a team to join another team with a top tier player (top 10-15). Nowadays it's a lot more acceptable to not only join or create a super team but it's actually a lot more feasible for it to happen. Now we can distract and say things like well you can even do it back in the day because of salary caps and this on the other which is true but the point is if Shaq went and played with Jordan purely because he's the goat and it would help him win a championship as well he would have looked super weak and would not have the respect of his peers. Now don't get me wrong that's not saying putting yourself in a good situation is bad. But there's always been an Unwritten code of what you can do and what you can't do and joining a well-performing team is in the acceptable range. It's just annoying because you have players like Allen Iverson who would never benefit from something like this, and it permanently affects their Legacies. Which is why I personally think when talking about the greatest players Rings need to be considered with a grain of salt.
Absolutely. The Lakers were far from a superteam. Only way this would make any sense is if Shaq joined the Sonics, maybe Spurs or Jazz. He would've stayed with the Magic, but they refused to pay him any reasonable money. And what is this nonsense Bulls argument? KD didn't join the Cavs. LeBron and Bosh didn't team up with Wade the year after he won the championship. And then Gil himself even points out that the Magic had 60 wins, they were even a better team than the Lakers. And then he goes on and tells lies about Barkley, he had 20pts in his second season with the 76ers, second most after Malone and played more minutes than Malone and Dr.J. Also the 76ers didn't make it to the conference finals. Gil just knows nothing, makes up stuff and screams.
Y’all so scared of lebron like he wasn’t the one that started it during this era . The warriors drafted klay Steph and draymond . Lebron had a whole press conference and draft table saying I’m taking my talents to south beach and bosh who was a top 15 player in the League at the time was with him , that’s creating a super team
Gil is actually right but Rashad is keeping it relevant to Shaq statement. People love creating facts out of opinions. Back in the 90’s it was damn near impossible to have two max players so it’s easy to say I didn’t leave my castle
But Gil is saying his castle was Orlando. Why did he leave? Why couldn't he we there HE was there. Shaq is saying the opposite of what he did. He finished 2nd to the Goat in the East. Had an up and coming guard in Penny a good shooter just needed more defensive help really they just needed to stay together and get older smarter. He left and went to a 60 win team.
The lakers came to Shaq as they were getting ready to make the trade for Kobe. Theres a lot of teams out there with a lot of no name all stars and the Lakers were no different.
The difference is that Jordan said that he didn't want to play with magic, or bird . He wanted to beat those guys.Jordan wanted to play against the best. And LeBron wanted to play with the best. Chasing championship rings.
I hate this statement because its 50/50 cuz sometimes the loudest person in the room has the best point and most accomplishments. This statement is a stigma that only reads true situationally
We're talking about this podcast. And this group. And gil is loud and wrong. Shaq left for LA because it's a bigger market. Especially with his movies coming out and rap albums. He just put MJ out the year before. Gil, needs to relax. 🙄 He was an Orlando Magic fan. I'm cracking up.
All situations are different.. but that KD move hit hella different 😂… he really went joined the greatest team ever assembled with the greatest back court in history after losing a 3-1 lead against them… he could have easily added a piece in OKC and ran it back
that's the bulls not the warriors and they choked KD told management get Westbrook under control thunder chose Westbrook over KD so he stuck it to the thunder and lebron 2 birds on one stone!
@@NwoFresh ok cool I’ll give you that about him leaving OKC.. but it was still who he went too. And then couldn’t handle the scrutiny of being there while he was there
@@sectiontoyz2068 he wasn’t the head of the team for GS.. and he’s KD I’m sure plenty of teams pursued him that had potential to win a chip.. but he couldn’t beat them so he joined them
He wasn't on the 73-9 roster though and he was a free agent and last time i checked the object is about winning though so he had a choice to go where he wants wtf hippocrit ass crying shaq 😂😂😮😮
Tim Duncan wasn’t in the league at the time Shaq moved to LA. And Gil just want to argue for the sake of arguing cause doesn’t care about the context of what Shaq was saying
Gil ain’t lyin’. Diesel was the epitome of a prima-donna. He wanted to be a movie star and entertainer instead of being the greatest baller to ever walk the earth.
Reason #1 for Diesels leaving actually. But was never mentioned here. The bidding war revolving around Shaq & Alonzo played into LA's hands. Shaq wanted the highest contract in NBA. The Magic hesitated LA did not. It all probably was a genius ploy by PRiley to conquer the East Coast. And it worked. Two. There was a riff between Shaq and Penny. They've both admitted it. It was mostly immature petty stuff but there was beef enough to question Shaq staying. Orlando also did a vote in their paper whether Shaq should get paid to stay. It was a resounding NO. Three. Shaq and his agent had their eyes on LA since Day 1. Shaq wanted to be in movies & music. It's a big market. A historic franchise down on its luck with no big man but a history of historic big men. Mikan. Wilt. Kareem. The money was just an added bonus. Running from MJ was not one of the reasons lmaooo.
The point Shaq is making is regarding the prime years of a players career. Most "superteams" back then were old super stars attempting to win a ring before calling it quits.
@@ericellis1573no ur missing it.. there’s no loyalty or morals in todays game. Everyone wants an easy ring. Not competitive, literally everything about the sport is so watered down and backwards.. that’s why teams like the nuggets and 76ers, Celtics, and Heat make it far every year despite having only 1-2 stars. Every other team depends on Nick Fury to assemble the best for 1 f’ing season and STILL end up making trades afterwards.. the shit was cool at first but now u even see it in our youth. They think it’s cool to switch high schools now, not colleges, high schools, reclass, etc rather than work hard to get over the hump. In my opinion the most entertaining thing about basketball is the GRIND🤦🏾♂️
@@brandoncollier7802 Loyalty? Man gone wit all that teams trade players without warning it’s a business An all the teams that have multiple chips look at the rosters they were all stacked Gil speakin facts Shaq knew exactly what he was doing so he should be quiet
Shaq knew he was not getting to the Finals after MJ loss in 94. He had a better chance of getting to the Finals in the West. Reggie Miller’s sister used to cry and beg for her brother to team up with Ewing in NY to have a better chance at winning a chip.
Gil is smart enough to realize he is not arguing the point. Everyone go at McCants when he jump out there with one of his wild takes but he is trying all he can to argue the subject. I don’t think Shaq leaving Orlando is not the same as the KD/Lebron move
Because they don't want to say the real...they want to box all the players up so it can fit a narrative...gil just wanted to go against what Shaq said with his so called going at older players thing he got going on
None of what Gil said pertained to the topic Shaq never teamed up with anyone in his prime period no stars in la when he joined an Dwade needed shaq to solidify him as a star
They forgetting Shaq didn’t want to leave Orlando but Orlando didn’t want to pay him first
Exactly. That's why he left.
Yeah that's what I thought too. Magic didn't wanna give him 100 million like Jerry West did
They couldn't pay him AND penny. And he was jealous of penny. It hurt his ego. He admitted in that interview with Penny.
They even took a poll with the people of Orlando asking if Shaq was worth 100 mil and the majority said no. It was in the newspaper out there.
@@ruffendtv1320 OK KD was a free agent, so what are we talking about? They just didn’t want to pay him what he wanted but he could have stayed and had them build a team around him.
Shout out McCants for sticking to the context of Shaq’s statement. They are arguing two different points. In this case McCants is arguing the point that matters (Shaq’s point)
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I’m a Shaq fan and I’m still traumatized by Shaqs move.. I totally understand why Cleveland hated LeBron for leaving.. Miami Loved him for coming and Boston and Lakers Fans hated him for making it a little easier for himself when competing against their Dynasty 🤷🏾♂️.. I still a fan of Shaq, it’s life
Nah Gil is just special needs… and Kenyon Martin letting them talk he can give an first hand examples but he’s too busy pretending to be young
Man he be cookin Gil be trying to change stuff to be right
This time I agree with McCant
Ray Allen was a role player by the point he went to Miami and was coming off the bench for half the games in his last season with Boston. He was getting pretty openly shopped around and disrespected by the Celtics organization. He said "if y'all don't want me, I'm gonna go somewhere that does".
A completely different situation than KD joining the Warriors.
Great explanation. They dont be aware of details smh
People never watched Ray in Milwaukee for some reason. Dude was way more than just a shooter in his prime which he was past when he went to Boston, nevermind Miami.
FACTSSSSSSS Avery Bradley was starting
If Ray Allen went anywhere else but Miami it wouldn’t be a problem.. if KD signed with the Celtics instead of GST it wouldn’t be talked about
Ray Was still a strong starter on majority NBA teams even at 36. And he played 6th man for Miami even ran some point guard duty for a bit when they had injuries.
Shaq actually said that the reason he left Orlando was because of this: He was sitting at home one day when ESPN came on stating that Zo had gotten a $100M deal from Maimi. He then stated that he told Orlando that he should get paid more than Zo because he was better. Orlando didn't meet his request and that was when the Lakers came calling. Point is he only left Orlando because he wanted to get paid more than Zo. He was not seeking a SUPER TEAM.
Facts.
True story!!!!!
100%. I never really liked Arenas anyway. No respect for the guy.
Exactly
That don't make it better, plus shaq was like a hoe looking for a pimp end of his career!!
yall know yall fucked up when Rashad is the only one making the actual point.
Rashad is making no point. There's person A and person B who did the exact same thing. He takes the side of person A and penalizes person B. Barkley hopped around trying to win, Rashad covers for him. Shaq did it, Rashad covers for him. But when LeBron left the Cavs who he had 60 wins with just like Shaq had 60 wins in Orlando to go play for a better organization, Rashad penalizes LeBron. Shaq has played with prime Penny, Kobe, Wade, Nash & Stoudemire in Phoenix, LeBron, that Celtics squad with Rondo, Allen, Paul & KG. That's Shaq's entire career. 0 dead spots as far as to tier talent around him. The only great player he DIDNT play with was Jordan lol. It just doesn't sit right coming from him. If Hakeem said that, then everyone would have to be quiet because Hakeem won where he was drafted and MJ himself said he's glad he avoided Hakeem on the big stage. But for Barkley & Shaq to come at any player for wanting to play with other good players is so funny.
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Facts lol
@@jacobsworld9253Not the exact same thing. In fact it's not even close. Barkley was unhappy in Philly and got traded. He wanted to go to Portland but they didn't pull off the trade. He had one last legitimate gasp when the Rockets traded for him to team up with also past their primes Olajuwon and Drexler but he was physically breaking down and despite adding Pippen after the Bulls broke up they still never reached the Finals.
Shaq was a free agent and was trying to establish himself in the acting/rap game. He chased money not rings. When he joined LA, Kobe was an unknown commodity. Eventually, Kobe wanted to be the alpha and the Lakers chose to send an aging but still potent Shaq to Miami to pair with a promising rookie in Wade. Wade had only one year under his belt before Shaq joined the Heat he wasn't a mega star. The rest of his stints? Sure you could say he chased rings but when washed up former greats do that it is acceptable because they are no longer in their prime and are no longer capable of carrying a team. Even if they win, they won't get the lions share of credit.
When LeBron and Bosh joined Wade in Miami they CHOSE to team up. They did so early in their primes. They controlled their destiny. Barkley chose to be traded and had little choice where he ended up. Shaq chased money, he never colluded with other players to team up in LA or Miami. Same for Durant, he CHOSE to team up with Steph and Klay. LeBron and KD will always be known as ring chasers and they made that choice knowing the optics. They took the easy road. No need to defend them.
exactly cuz magic didnt want to pay shaq until after the lakers offered that 100 million contract... so your wrong Gilbert lol
Gil really moves the goal post 😂😂😂😂
Every time
Gil a dummy
Every single time
All the damn time
All the damn time
Tim Duncan wasn't even in the league when Shaquille O'Neal went to the Los Angeles Lakers.
And the Portland and Phoenix timing was off too
Duncan came in 98 Shaq when to the lakers in 96
Absolutely. The Lakers were far from a superteam. Only way this would make any sense is if Shaq joined the Sonics, maybe Spurs or Jazz. He would've stayed with the Magic, but they refused to pay him any reasonable money. And what is this nonsense Bulls argument? KD didn't join the Cavs. LeBron and Bosh didn't team up with Wade the year after he won the championship. And then Gil himself even points out that the Magic had 60 wins, they were even a better team than the Lakers. And then he goes on and tells lies about Barkley, he had 20pts in his second season with the 76ers, second most after Malone and played more minutes than Malone and Dr.J. Also the 76ers didn't make it to the conference finals. Gil just knows nothing, makes up stuff and screams.
Gil be making conversations a lot more difficult then it needs to be 😂
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I swear I just told my girl the exact same thing
I swear he do I even listen to him on nightcap and he is a energy leech pulls all the air out the room
He be on point u just got to lock in . He saying shaq joined a 53 win team . Same shit kd did basically but wit more stars the stars that put him out . Same wit charles barkley leaving suns rockets with stars bro .
Absolutely. The Lakers were far from a superteam. Only way this would make any sense is if Shaq joined the Sonics, maybe Spurs or Jazz. He would've stayed with the Magic, but they refused to pay him any reasonable money. And what is this nonsense Bulls argument? KD didn't join the Cavs. LeBron and Bosh didn't team up with Wade the year after he won the championship. And then Gil himself even points out that the Magic had 60 wins, they were even a better team than the Lakers. And then he goes on and tells lies about Barkley, he had 20pts in his second season with the 76ers, second most after Malone and played more minutes than Malone and Dr.J. Also the 76ers didn't make it to the conference finals. Gil just knows nothing, makes up stuff and screams.
the fact that gilbert comparing shaq to lakers and kd to warriors is crazy asf
He needs to stop talking . He’s TOGHT because the OG shit on today’s league so he tries to go after them every chance he gets.
Bruh Gil argument never is credible smh he saying shaq going to the Lakers was a super team is wild thats why I never can watch a full show because he is about creating narratives like the regular media. Remind me does he have a HOF jacket
He tries so hard to protect the new league against the old school players comments that he sounds foolish sometimes
I think Gil is right anyone criticizing will pose the situation in a way that makes them look better. Even if they’re doing the sane thing as the ones they’re criticizing. The fact is most superstars don’t want to go to a losing team, they all want to go to a place that gives them the best chance to win. That’s the bottom line. Create any other narrative around that you want.
@@RenzoP3 yes you want to go to a team that got a chance to win but you don’t go to the best in the league especially when they just beat you
As one of the top in the league and a potential hall of famer you can’t just say it’s too hard so you gonna play with the team who been 1 of the 2 best teams over the past few years
You can’t act like the warriors ain’t just make it to the finals multiple times consecutively before he went there
That boy Gil stay throwing extra additives into the main question 😂😂😂😂😂
Right !!
He using the whole context. Shaq left the part out where he was ring chasing that’s all Gil sayin. However u look at it leaving a team to join another is ring chasing.
@@ProdbyAshtro 1st off that’s not what he implying at all he’s implying the lakers were some sort of juggernaut already before he joined …. And nah if he was ring chasing he would’ve went to the bulls like he said … before Kobe (who shaq didn’t even know about ) that lakers team was no different than his Orlando team who had just made the finals chief …. If I’m ring chasing I’m not going to the spurs or maybe even the rockets ? You know the other 90s championship winners …..🤦🏾♂️
It's called adding to the discussion
@@jarrodmason4964 it’s called cherry-picking chief
Gil doesn’t care what he’s arguing about as long as HE ISNT AGREEING WITH MCCANTS!! 😂 I love this damn show!!! 😂
😂😂 it do feel like that
He is trying to get Miko Grimes back on there as a guest. He lives for the back and forth as it drives views.
Lol 😂😂😂
Facts
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Not gonna lie this the first take that I can say Rashad is really spitting. Gil just rambling.
The league has always formed super teams. The difference is teams were in control of it before. Now the players are in control of it.
Someone knows history. Thank you.
Just like how they were spazzing out when Nash went to the Lakers.
People act like Parrish wasn’t a 20/10 guy before going to Boston…
How the Knicks got there big 3 , Barkley trying to go to Portland then joining the suns. Rodman on the bulls
Exactly! Player empowerment!
@@billywelch4611Rodman is a TERRIBLE example…he was over 35 and about to get kicked out of the league
What Gil is saying isn't what Shaq was saying lol. McCants is right
Shaq wanted the money magic didn't make a great offer so he went to the money gil be sounding goofy af
Gil on some soft shit what Shaq is saying if he knew it was cool not to compete he wouldn't have
Gil knows damn well Rashad is right he's the one spinning this
@joshuaroach4045 Right. And there was no superstar in LA when Shaq went there. Gil would have had a point if Shaq went there to join prime Magic or another superstar
@justinfletcher7630 yup that's why he started getting loud. I realized the guy who's right in these debates is usually more calm because his points are logical. McCants was so chill why Gil was getting loud for no reason 🤣
How are the 4 of them so clueless? Blind leading the blind at it's finest. There's no way that Rashad is the only one in that room who picked up on exactly what Shaq was saying.
Players have more leverage now compared before. I dont think its morals. It's a biased take. Teams have way bigger salary cap and are more capable to sign multiple superstars. Now it's more about which teams are willing to pay more and which team have capable management that will result to winning. "Morals" mans had his first starting 5 full of hall of famer. stop it
@@aaronpasco1645 Morals mans went to the Lakers in 96-97 with not one superstar besides himself on the roster. Kobe blossomed into a Superstar eventually, but Shaq didn't sign to a team with a player who was already an "established" superstar. Outside of Shaq and Kobe those Lakers teams had a bunch of solid role players who knew how to play their part, and hit some big shots when they counted most. Say what you want about the later years of his career where he himself was essentially a role player with the Cavs, Suns, and Celtics, but his Lakers years weren't spent gathering teams of "Super friends" to shift the competitive advantage in their favor. Lakers management at that time had a storied history of winning as a franchise, so why not go there? Especially with everything that LA (the city) had to offer at the time? In my opinion Salary cap and player leverage are a different conversation, and present a hypothetical scenario that I can't speak on.
@@Ajeff1989they had 53 wins the year before they were close stfu with that. They won 50+ games 3-4 years in a row including 60 something in 98 when they went to the conference finals against Utah I don’t wanna hear NOTHING about Shaq not picking the best situation for him. Just because they didn’t win till Kobe matured doesn’t mean it wasn’t a power play
@@showtimesportsmedia6906 @showtimesportsmedia6906 Orlando won 60 games the year before he went to the Lakers. The season before that they won 57...What are we talkin' about? He left a winning situation to go to another winning situation...in a larger market...I can't speak on what drove that decision, but you're really not arguing a relevant point. We're talking about Bonafide Superstars leaving to team up with other Bonafide Superstars...Not players leaving winning situations, to join other Winning situations....
@@Ajeff1989 it’s the same shit y’all just arguing players but if the situation good it’s the same thing
Gil is changing the logic and point of Shaq's argument and making his own
He does that every show with every person lol
he speaking facts young blood
@@SheliaYates-u4i he's speaking facts to an argument he created not the original
Gil know he be dead ass wrong 🤣🤣 soon as he get to yelling and over talking u got him lol
He cooking. Niggas did it at the time. They named guys that did it before he was a free agent.
If Gil is yelling, that usually means that he's wrong 😂
Every day, he looks more foolish
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There was no cap space for him in Chicago and he was demanding money. How is that wrong?
Sounds right to me. A lot of those old dudes are straight hypocrites PERIOD!
@EddiePReacts that's not what he was wrong about. The point Shaq was making is that if it was acceptable back then to join forces with other stars to win championships, his decision to go to LA might have been different.
Crazy when McCants is the voice of logic.
Say it again
Bro..😂😂😂😂😂😂
Dead azz. Cuz usually he way off
He’s been that for a while now 😂
But he trippin. He makes no sense. If Shaq could have went to Chicago he would have he only saying he wouldn't have because 1. He couldn't. 2. Kd got the worst wrap of all time, so why would he admit to that.
Kenton’s pauses are so deep that it always makes me check if my phone froze lol
Shaq always said he wanted more money and Orlando didn’t wanna give it to him
Well actually Shaq got into it Penny, the teammates, the fans and the head coach. Also, Shaq didn't like staying in Orlando.
@@hitek9too255he still has a home in Orlando 😂😂😂😂wtf are you talking about. He wanted more money
@@jaydell4039 Ok but if he wanted more money, it nullifies what Gil is saying. Gil is saying that Shaq left Orlando because MJ came back, and he knew that he wouldn't have a chance to even get to the finals with Orlando.
That's why he left LAL too. He wanted a $150million dollar extension and they said no
2:22 no it’s also who he went too they were 73-9 without him beat him or not. that’s arguably the greatest team of all time and he was arguable the best player in the world at the time, top 2-3
Correction, Tim Duncan was still in college in 96 he was preparing for his upcoming senior year. He was drafted in 97
Bro, THANK YOU, I'm like they really believe that, they bugging
@@KantGitRyghttrue he misspoke but salary cap for San Antonio wouldn’t have allowed him to go there anyways.
@@itzbreeze9839 Yeah, with him just solely saying if it were acceptable with no shade or fuss about the ordeal. Salary cap wasn't mentioned but definitely was a factor then, just not in this casual mention.
Exactly, as soon as he said that I was like Tim was a upcoming senior cause I was a freshman at Wake Forest
i'm starting to notice when gil uses yelling as a tactic for convincing... the more speculative his take, the more he screams
Nah I done seen him scream loud and he be right so I think it’s just who he is
Bro is turning in to Steven A
@@denn15m8A more knowledgeable Stephen a sure lol
He’s right tho and had the receipts
@@Pandalaugh101 bro they can’t say Gil is right because then it kills their whole argument against Bron
McCants actually caught the context of Shaq's statements and he's completely correct for the first time ever.
Ray Allen was 36 years old when he joined Miami. He was also 5 years from his last all-star appearance. KD was a top 3 player in the League and went to the team that beat after going up 3-1
KD was a free unrestricted free agent when he joined the warriors.... so whats the problem? If lebron was UFA n had to a chance to go to the warriors im sure he would've went too!!
@@Life_943lebron only left when he was a free agent. How is it different? You’re not making sense. People are holding it against him joining a team that is unproven and sucked when he left.
Allen was still a needed piece (like KD) he was on pace to set the all time 3 point record at the time. He also went to the team that beat them the previous year, just like KD.
Naw we not going to do that like Ray hasn't won a title with Boston and got back there, he left because they wanted him to take a backseat while Pierce and Garnet stayed propped up. Let's get the story right. KD hadn't won anything
@@MrMex44 ummm KD went to the warriors as a free agent but ppl was talking shit because the warriors beat them the year before..... n MJ played on a suck team for years n never left n got 6 rings with that same team
So lebron excuse was the team was ass so he joined forces with the Top 2 Guard of the league who already won a championship n beat them as well years before? So lebron gets a pass huh.... yall don't make sense at all
Ray allen was 37. Its not the same
Thank you ‼️‼️
And he was on the bench his last year in Boston
@@MikeBNumba6Which is why he left
def the same tht 37yr helped them get achip
Ray was done dirty by Boston. BOS actually traded him to Memphis but the deal fell apart and they even benched him for Avery Bradley. Ray was pissed and went to Miami. Plus Ray was older. KD with Russ was up 3-1 against GSW and lost. Even tho OKC made some bad moves like trading Harden & KD said F it imma go to GSW. KD was in his prime.
I need Gil to invite Shaq and keep that same energy lol
😂😂😂😂
He not gil can't talk to him like he do them
Hughh shaq popo
But Gil told the told
😂He Lives In LA .He Sees Shaq All The Time.Real Men Don't Fear Men.Get A Grip
Mccant is right no matter how loud you speak Gil. Also Shaq didnt force trades to get himself to other teams like todays stars do. They force teams to trade them.
Shaq was a free agent and afraid of Jordan! He’s a coward
Interesting but lebron never got traded. He always finished his contract and delivered at least 1 ring to each team. Never played for a hof coach like Mike did
He did. History repeats. Exactly how his trades, and any other stars/players in history, came to be done. That's exactly how it is today. I know most of y'all think that because it wasn't documented it's not what happened.
Nobody has ever chased a Ring worse than Shaq.
He ran to Wade
He ran to Nash
He ran to LeBron
He even ran to the damn Celtics after being a Laker.
No shame at all
Houston is proof that what Shaq is saying is wrong about the “competitive mindset to not join forces” the older era supposedly had
Cmon Gil there is NOTHING that ever happened in the NBA that can be compared to KD going to Golden State. A top 3 player went to a team that was in the Finals back to back years, a team that won 73 games, a team that had a 2 time MVP who is also a top 3 player in the NBA + Klay and the others. And also its the same team that just beat you in a 3-1 comeback, cmon man there is nothing comparable to that.
Anyone pretending that’s not the issue is just plain intellectually dishonest, delusional, or slightly R-tarded
karl Malone
do you know why it is the biggest problem that is always unstated
in all other scenarios it was a piece, but it was not league breaking.
Warriors already destroyed the basketball other knew and love
with kD there was no timeline that Warriors will not win (barring injuries)
like man tell me what kind of team with Shaq , malone , kobe , gp ,horry fischer is not winning
it was just that they have pathetic chemistry and other off court shit.
i dont blame kd because its the media that made this narrative. if you dont win rings your career is made out to be nothing. then the way you win is criticized now.
Gil on here telling a whole bunch of lies ant Kenyon just sitting there agreeing 😂😂😂😂
Because Shaq is a liar
14:42 go head.. and listening 🎧
K mart agree with everything he says. No brain for hisself
Gil cutting that check that’s why😂
Because these guys are braindead.
Orlando didn't want to pay Shaq as the #1 option. That's why him and Penny had beef. LA paid him what he wanted and he left. Watch the Magic Moments 30 for 30 he talk about it
Shaq didn’t leave when Jordan came back he beat Jordan in the playoffs…he left the next year
Jordan didn't play that whole year ... he came back later in the season. He trying to say he know Mike is back for good. Mike 6 in a row when he played the whole season and started out with the Bulls in training camp and pre-season. That's why he the GOAT.
Mike played 17 games that year when Orlando beat them in the playoffs.
@@kennethrobinson5111get off ya knees
@LAshades sorry that made you butthurd
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Shaq said he was advised that Orlando didn't believe anyone was worth a $100 million contract at that time. So Gil is wrong.
iirc, the Magic made it public that Shaq wasn't worth $100M
u right cause they gave grant hill 90 million lol
@@tahgeandrew7945Yeah, they did contact with Grant Hill 3 years later (after a NBA strike which led to an increase in the salary cap). The Magic really thought in 1996, that no player deserved that contract, which in hindsight was DUMB. They lacked the foresight to see that guys NOT AS GOOD AS SHAQ (ie. KG) would also receive that type of money.
@@tahgeandrew7945😂😂😂😂 that was like 3 years later after seeing the market was already there! That thought didn’t finish thinking
“The loudest one in the room is the weakest one in the room.” ― Frank Lucas, American Gangster
😅😅😅😅facts
Yoo Gil stop the cap the heat lost first year cuz sheed broke d wade eye the heat was up 3-2 in the conf finals first year.If Shaq doesn’t go to the heat they never go to the finals of course he needed wade however no shaq no ring period
@@slaverescuehound3440it’s still was his team at first and they still lost and they were bumping heads
@@tylersuggs11 all I’m saying is shaq goes somewhere else d wade never makes the finals
Bars
Well. Kudos to Gil never leaving the wizards he really stuck with them and tried to take them the farthest in the playoffs.
Gil think talking loud means ur right😂
He is
@@Pandalaugh101 how does he know what shaq was thinking about when leaving orlando?
@@InfamousMalice6 you don't think he has inside information. He just said he asked questions
@@InfamousMalice6 shaq said he wanted money, and every claim Gil has is backed by Shaqs actions as well. If there was enough money to pay Shaq hella bread to make a super team w him on the bulls or the jazz he def woulda went
Was he raised by a single mother? I know they do that shit all the time 😂😂
I don't think Gilbert understands Shaq left a better team to go to a worst team 62 wins 52 to get away from a 72 and 10 bulls team KD left good team to join a team that just set the all-time record for single-season wins. It's obviously not the same.
Not when he went to Miami, not when he start ring chasing to the Celtics, Cavs. Like these old heads gotta stop acting like we don’t remember the bull shit they did 😂
Sort of like lebron. He left better teams for worse
Exactly
@@dparks2856 when you say worse team you’re talking about record but remember he left Cleveland to go to Miami with Wade and Bosh. Left Miami to play with kyrie and Love. The only time Bron left to a ‘worse’ team was when he went to LA but eventually they filled out the squad the championship year
@Bowman__
Kyrie and love had done what? Yes better players but it take more than 3 players to win
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McCants really tried to dumb it down and slow it down for Gil and he still missed the point by half a planet.
Facts
Mcant can't dumb Nathan down cause he dumb
what point was it?
@vblack5034 that shaq would've went to the bulls and gil and kenyon is telling him was he gonna go there for 2 mil? Cause the cap is different that it is now. He keep saying what shaq Is saying which is he would've joined mik, but but saying the reason he left Orlando is they wouldn't give him 100 mil.
@@B.Piercesportsthe point is mccants is trying to protect that era because he hates lebron and this helps his narrative read between the lines, and during that time players were great at specific roles and you were considered a superstar hence dennis rodman pure rebounder nothing else so yes the team shaq joined was yes a superteam, he didn’t have the option to join the bulls because they couldn’t pay him like gil said or else he would’ve went lmao he was looking for a good team and a bag mccants is wrong he just doesn’t like this era of basketball
Mc Cants is a little right tho if you listen to him- lakers only had eddie jones van exel and some other dudes it was before kobe so that was 96 then they got kobe because of jerry west they traded vlade divac but it was shaqs team.. Then however he basically had to share the team w/kobe
MCCANTS U RIGHT🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
“When you the king of your castle and you LEAVE, you not the King no more” Rashad ate on that one
It was actually corny… u on here acting like he dropped a Jay Z verse
@@william-lloydgarrison I’m a real person, in real life, who give no fucks about your opinion 🖕🏾🖕🏾🖕🏾
@@william-lloydgarrisonits no use bruh..anyone that agrees with mccants already a lost cause
Yall don't know basketball ^
If you leave and win a ring everywhere you go you king of the league
They not even arguing the same point. Gil thinks because he talks loud and fast he right. Stars in the 80s and before stayed with their Teams in their prime.
Multiple players left their teams to try to win somewhere else stop it just stop it. Honestly don’t respond to me just quit it you know you’re lying
Bruh you so full of shit, That Larry Bird squad and Magic squad were stacked as shit, do you really think those players were all just drafted? Come on man, all star players have won with other star players, you can’t win with below average players, currently their are 7 teams truly contending, back then it was always 4-5
He does it because he knows it works, Stephen A Smith is proof of that.
@@CreamPieSundays 😂
They had No Power to go anywhere.
Boston didn’t want to pay him that’s the only reason why Ray left Boston
Gil SUPER WRONG ITS ALMOST AS IF HE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION LOL
Gil is absolutely correct Shaq didn’t resign had the best team in the east prior to that he knew exactly what he was going goin to LA
Definitely didn’t understand the question..charging his phone was more important
Nah he's super annoying bruh
Shaq left Orlando for 2 reasons
1) Mike was back and Shaq didn’t want that smoke
2) Penny was more popular and Shaq and he couldn’t stand being #2
@@baldblade4852 No you're wrong he left because they don't wan to pay him and Alonzo morning had just got that new big contract and they don't wanna match it and the lakers did it Go research
Gil talks like he’s the most connected person in the world. He’ll talk about Wilt Chamberlain’s 100pt game like he was there in attendance if he could
Let’s not forget Shaq was at the end of his career when he was switching teams he wasn’t in his prime
He left Orlando and went to LA, still in his prime and after he was in the finals.
It doesn't matter he still try to go to a superteam 🤔🤫😮
@@geronimopratt7976free agent and no other superstar when he joined.
@@geronimopratt7976Because they didn’t want to pay him a contract extension so he left
Miami
Gil was arguing against himself the whole time. Espeically when he broke down the best teams from the 96 season. Not only were there teams that didnt have the cap for shaq, they also had a plaher already playing the same positkon. We can actually ignore shaq point and just focus on the fact lakers at the time was a good team that shaq thought he could take over to the top and be alone on the top. Kobe came around of course since he was ylinger, the keys were going to be handed to him and shaq didnt like that, proving rashad point about having your own castle
I agree with mccant's.What shaq was saying was that it wasn't very acceptable for Stars to team up like that back then.As it is today.
It's like Rashad has that NZT Limitless pill in his system for the 1st 5 minutes of the discussion.
Then, it wears off, Gil picks up on it & just goes HAM on him😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
LMFAO
Shaq didn’t want to leave Orlando, and Shaq came to the lakers in 96 and Tim Duncan wasn’t drafted till 97 so San Antonio only had David Robinson
They just be making up ish Orlando said Shaq wasn't worth big money so Jerry west did what he do. Then they brought up MJ contract when that was MJ first big contract and i guarantee he would have taken less to get Shaq.
David Robinson still was the starting Center...was Shaq playing forward
For those of us who were paying attention back then and not watching Nick at Nite... Gil is providing the proper context. 🤷🏿♂️
Gil need to start watching his shit back. Always changing the argument
If anyone remembers Orlando didn’t wanna pay him , they put that post out in the news paper is Shaq worth 100m and Alonzo ( no disrespect because he was a savage ) had just got 130m and he felt disrespected and actually went to a team LA at the time to return them to prominence. He went to Miami from LA who was not near as good as the Lakers that he left , every time Shaq left in the prime of his career he went to a weaker team and made them contenders now at the end of his career he chased a 5th chip . I’d love to see the debate with O’Neal on the show it’d be dope af .
Absolutely. The Lakers were far from a superteam. Only way this would make any sense is if Shaq joined the Sonics, maybe Spurs or Jazz. He would've stayed with the Magic, but they refused to pay him any reasonable money. And what is this nonsense Bulls argument? KD didn't join the Cavs. LeBron and Bosh didn't team up with Wade the year after he won the championship. And then Gil himself even points out that the Magic had 60 wins, they were even a better team than the Lakers. And then he goes on and tells lies about Barkley, he had 20pts in his second season with the 76ers, second most after Malone and played more minutes than Malone and Dr.J. Also the 76ers didn't make it to the conference finals. Gil just knows nothing, makes up stuff and screams.
Once again I appreciate you, McCants. Gil keep playin crazy like he didn’t hear what Shaq said.
If KD going to the Warriors and only being able to win when on that team but losing 100% of the time when not on that team, then Jordan only being able to win ring when playing on the best team of his era but then losing 100% of the time when not on that team negatively impacts 6/0. Most everyone can win when playing on the best team and can win multiple times when staying up under that team. But if you can win when NOT having to play on the best team is the real accomplishment. And winning multiple times when not on that team creates distance from the guy who was limited to winning when on that team.
Arguing with Gil is insane. He's a goal post mover.
Worse than a politician
@@geronimopratt7976Exactly
That's why he was never a winner 😆
I understand what Gil is saying the 95 team did have 53 wins but their best player was Cedric Ceballos😂 it's not like he was joining forces with another superstar
Gil be so wrong like 85% of the time they just sit and agree cuz it’s his show 😂😂
It’s crazy to see them act like average niggas mayne just yes men all around and that one friend that’s like wtf nigga do yall hear this 😂😂😂
That part.
Facts
Depends on who you ask
Facts niggas wanna keep that check
“Oh my gosh bro” I swear me and Rashad Had enough of Gil’s lies at the same time 😂😂😂
Shaq went to the money, not to any players, etc. they didn’t win in LA till like 3/4 years later
STOP WHITESPLAINING SHAQ IS FULL OF SHYTE AND ALL THOSE OLDER PLAYERS
That’s cause he kept getting swept out the playoffs… then they got Phil Jackson …. They had the team around him … that early Lakers team had 4 all-stars
@@monochrome493 whitesplaining? Lost all credibility there. Dont be mad he spitting facts, players back in that time didnt come together as easily as they do now. Todays NBA goes by another mantra
@@calyerfagin4136 which all stars are you talking about?
@@davidcarlos435096 it was Eddie jones and Shaq. 97 was Eddie shaq Kobe and Nick van exel
Shaq left because Orlando did not want to match the Lakers offer. The thing is about Gil is when the players are on the platform he doesn't keep this same energy 😂
Boston did not call Ray Allen. But Kevin Durant was the number one player on his team, he wasn't going to worry about if the OKC was going to be calling him. He was the franchise player and he made the decision to go to another team. I understand that he wanted a ring but the comparison is not the same.
Shaq ain't about to let this go either lol I'm actually waiting on that response now 😂
I would hate arguing with Gil, he knows he wrong but he moves the goal post to help his argument be more wrong.
YOU DO KNOW THAT THINKING SOMEBODY IS "WRONG" IS JUST YOUR PERSONAL OPINION RIGHT ???
YOU DO KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THAT GIL IS CORRECT RIGHT ???
It’s crazy gil implying shaq ran from Jordan…as long as Jordan in the league you can’t run from him he in the finals every year at that point
He lost the entire argument when he said Miami was Shaq's team ....
This one of the FEW times I agree with McCants on this argument. Shaq’s argument isn’t about leaving a team, it’s about creating a SUPERTEAM.
Gil isn’t understanding that joining a team with 2-3 superstars is different than joining a team with the third best record and a couple of all stars lol. Star player for the Lakers at the time Shaq joined was Cedric Ceballos who was later traded for Robert Horry. Shaq is saying that was a more respectable decision than if he would have signed with Utah who had Stockton and Malone, or the Bulls when they had Jordan and Pippen.
Definitely was. They had no big names even though Ceballos was the best player. Van Exel and Eddie Jones were the biggest names. Magic Johnson was there but he was coming out of retirement going back into it when he was exposed to HIV. He was no threat just the biggest name. His career was over.
Joining superstars don't mean shit, on paper Clippers should be the best team in the league and I won't be surpised if they lose first round,Miami loss first year with Bron, wade and bosh, Nets with KD, Harden, Kyrie? Lmao only casual fans make it seem like super stars on one team means automatic win that's not how the sport works.
@@quxncy9492 Good point on the Clippers. They have been plagued with bad luck on injuries a lot. Last season they took game 1 against Phoenix then Kawhi went down.
None of those team could afford Shaq. He would’ve had to take a huge pay cut which we know Shaq wasn’t doing
@@PUGGDADthere's a long injury list
Why does he have to answer why he left? That’s Gils created narrative. He didn’t team up with anybody was his point. Gil is a broad for this💯
He teamed up with a top team
@@anthonyclick893but not top player, not super team with 2-3 CURRENT/ATM all stars
@OtakuTalkOD but who hasn't tried to team up with different t people? KG and Chris Paul said they wanted to go to LA and Kobe put in the calls to make it happen, but NOBODY says anything about that. KD move was cowardly but people try to get on Bron about dipping but don't understand that nobody wants to live in Ohio. It's not a attractive market so either he could waste his career waiting for a competent player or dip out. I see bron came back when a competent player (kyrie) was on the cavs but they wouldn't get kyrie without bron leaving
@@christiancrews4278 that's not the point of the argument. People are expounding this to argue a narrative. At the end of the day the truth of the matter was it was frown upon, looked down on, generally not permitted to leave a team to join another team with a top tier player (top 10-15). Nowadays it's a lot more acceptable to not only join or create a super team but it's actually a lot more feasible for it to happen. Now we can distract and say things like well you can even do it back in the day because of salary caps and this on the other which is true but the point is if Shaq went and played with Jordan purely because he's the goat and it would help him win a championship as well he would have looked super weak and would not have the respect of his peers. Now don't get me wrong that's not saying putting yourself in a good situation is bad. But there's always been an Unwritten code of what you can do and what you can't do and joining a well-performing team is in the acceptable range. It's just annoying because you have players like Allen Iverson who would never benefit from something like this, and it permanently affects their Legacies. Which is why I personally think when talking about the greatest players Rings need to be considered with a grain of salt.
@@christiancrews4278yea that was a dumbbb argument u tried to make 😂😂😂😂
Gil be acting like he got all the facts but Spurs did not have Duncan at that time that was the 95-96 season Duncan's rookie season was 97-98
Absolutely. The Lakers were far from a superteam. Only way this would make any sense is if Shaq joined the Sonics, maybe Spurs or Jazz. He would've stayed with the Magic, but they refused to pay him any reasonable money. And what is this nonsense Bulls argument? KD didn't join the Cavs. LeBron and Bosh didn't team up with Wade the year after he won the championship. And then Gil himself even points out that the Magic had 60 wins, they were even a better team than the Lakers. And then he goes on and tells lies about Barkley, he had 20pts in his second season with the 76ers, second most after Malone and played more minutes than Malone and Dr.J. Also the 76ers didn't make it to the conference finals. Gil just knows nothing, makes up stuff and screams.
Y’all so scared of lebron like he wasn’t the one that started it during this era . The warriors drafted klay Steph and draymond . Lebron had a whole press conference and draft table saying I’m taking my talents to south beach and bosh who was a top 15 player in the League at the time was with him , that’s creating a super team
Superteams been around forever!!!!!
Gil is actually right but Rashad is keeping it relevant to Shaq statement. People love creating facts out of opinions. Back in the 90’s it was damn near impossible to have two max players so it’s easy to say I didn’t leave my castle
That's the actual truth
But Gil is saying his castle was Orlando. Why did he leave? Why couldn't he we there HE was there. Shaq is saying the opposite of what he did. He finished 2nd to the Goat in the East. Had an up and coming guard in Penny a good shooter just needed more defensive help really they just needed to stay together and get older smarter. He left and went to a 60 win team.
I love watching Gil, he talk nothing but shit. He a straight hater. Those old asses made it for you to even make half the money you got. lol.
The lakers came to Shaq as they were getting ready to make the trade for Kobe. Theres a lot of teams out there with a lot of no name all stars and the Lakers were no different.
@ArmandoSuazo-uk3ec lol not they didn't you know kobe was a bench player for 3 years
Shaq and Gil got off the court history, you can see it and hear it all in this video.
The difference is that Jordan said that he didn't want to play with magic, or bird . He wanted to beat those guys.Jordan wanted to play against the best. And LeBron wanted to play with the best. Chasing championship rings.
Bosh love and Kyrie were not the best
Gil is the perfect example of the loudest person in the room is always the weakest
I hate this statement because its 50/50 cuz sometimes the loudest person in the room has the best point and most accomplishments. This statement is a stigma that only reads true situationally
True
We're talking about this podcast. And this group. And gil is loud and wrong. Shaq left for LA because it's a bigger market. Especially with his movies coming out and rap albums. He just put MJ out the year before. Gil, needs to relax. 🙄 He was an Orlando Magic fan. I'm cracking up.
@@piffjackson6010 you must be the loudest person in the room type
All situations are different.. but that KD move hit hella different 😂… he really went joined the greatest team ever assembled with the greatest back court in history after losing a 3-1 lead against them… he could have easily added a piece in OKC and ran it back
that's the bulls not the warriors and they choked
KD told management get Westbrook under control
thunder chose Westbrook over KD so he stuck it to the thunder and lebron 2 birds on one stone!
@@NwoFresh ok cool I’ll give you that about him leaving OKC.. but it was still who he went too. And then couldn’t handle the scrutiny of being there while he was there
@@sectiontoyz2068 he wasn’t the head of the team for GS.. and he’s KD I’m sure plenty of teams pursued him that had potential to win a chip.. but he couldn’t beat them so he joined them
Great point 🎯
He wasn't on the 73-9 roster though and he was a free agent and last time i checked the object is about winning though so he had a choice to go where he wants wtf hippocrit ass crying shaq 😂😂😮😮
U gotta remember Jordan made 3 to 4 million a year from the 88-89 to 95-96 seasons and after that made the 30 million a year
Crazy he was paid that little at the beginning. Imagine making e ryone in the league so much money to only get scraps.
Anybody that defends this super team shit automatically loses the argument. It all started with lebum and is ruining the nba
Tim Duncan wasn’t in the league at the time Shaq moved to LA. And Gil just want to argue for the sake of arguing cause doesn’t care about the context of what Shaq was saying
Exactly 😂 once he said he didn’t care the conversation was done because how you gonna makeup your own argument 😂
Gil ain’t lyin’. Diesel was the epitome of a prima-donna. He wanted to be a movie star and entertainer instead of being the greatest baller to ever walk the earth.
And that has what to do with LA wasn't a superteam when Shaq went there? @@jamestownstudios8543
When I’m agreeing with McCant’s then I know it’s time for me to log off these people’s internet today
Wasn’t it recorded that Shaq wanted more than Alonzo and LA happy complied?
Reason #1 for Diesels leaving actually. But was never mentioned here. The bidding war revolving around Shaq & Alonzo played into LA's hands. Shaq wanted the highest contract in NBA. The Magic hesitated LA did not. It all probably was a genius ploy by PRiley to conquer the East Coast. And it worked.
Two. There was a riff between Shaq and Penny. They've both admitted it. It was mostly immature petty stuff but there was beef enough to question Shaq staying. Orlando also did a vote in their paper whether Shaq should get paid to stay. It was a resounding NO.
Three. Shaq and his agent had their eyes on LA since Day 1. Shaq wanted to be in movies & music. It's a big market. A historic franchise down on its luck with no big man but a history of historic big men. Mikan. Wilt. Kareem. The money was just an added bonus. Running from MJ was not one of the reasons lmaooo.
Bro always played with a great
Shaq said, plain, simple, and clear, "If i knew it was acceptable", no mention about $$$
Because the money goes against his narrative lol
This show rarely produces good takes bruh😂😂😂this shit just entertaining cuz they funny as hell
The point Shaq is making is regarding the prime years of a players career. Most "superteams" back then were old super stars attempting to win a ring before calling it quits.
Man stop it Barkley just made MVP in Houston, he was same age as Bulls and Utah that went to back to back Finals and was same age as Houston
@@Bigedub101Barkley was MVP in Phoenix that’s it
@@Bigedub101dude there’s still time to erase that embarrassing comment 😂😂😂😂
@@kylonp7311thank you cuz I'm like hold on since when Barkley have 2 mvps lol
Also if Shaq came on that show I think Gil would be very humble.
For former basketball players they leave so many good points out that’ll make both of their arguments better.
Dang. Gil missed it by 20 miles. 😂😅
missed what ?
No he didn’t y’all missing it
@@ericellis1573no ur missing it.. there’s no loyalty or morals in todays game. Everyone wants an easy ring. Not competitive, literally everything about the sport is so watered down and backwards.. that’s why teams like the nuggets and 76ers, Celtics, and Heat make it far every year despite having only 1-2 stars. Every other team depends on Nick Fury to assemble the best for 1 f’ing season and STILL end up making trades afterwards.. the shit was cool at first but now u even see it in our youth. They think it’s cool to switch high schools now, not colleges, high schools, reclass, etc rather than work hard to get over the hump. In my opinion the most entertaining thing about basketball is the GRIND🤦🏾♂️
@@brandoncollier7802 Loyalty? Man gone wit all that teams trade players without warning it’s a business An all the teams that have multiple chips look at the rosters they were all stacked Gil speakin facts Shaq knew exactly what he was doing so he should be quiet
Shaq knew he was not getting to the Finals after MJ loss in 94. He had a better chance of getting to the Finals in the West. Reggie Miller’s sister used to cry and beg for her brother to team up with Ewing in NY to have a better chance at winning a chip.
3:00-3:07 "I feel like it be these old players man!" K mart immediately sides eyes and rubs knees like "boooooy lemme not"
Gil is Right!!! Shaq did the same shit.
Gil switched the goal post on the question. McCants with the win!
Gil is smart enough to realize he is not arguing the point. Everyone go at McCants when he jump out there with one of his wild takes but he is trying all he can to argue the subject. I don’t think Shaq leaving Orlando is not the same as the KD/Lebron move
All those players were out of their primes before they left to ring chase.
I have no idea how nobody bought this poing up
Because they don't want to say the real...they want to box all the players up so it can fit a narrative...gil just wanted to go against what Shaq said with his so called going at older players thing he got going on
Shaq went to LA bc Jerry West went and got him when Orlando wasn't gon pay him😢. But i believe what Shaq says now. The culture was different then
This podcast is very entertaining. Gilbert always moves the goalpost until his arguments makes it through the uprights. 😂
Your really lost on this conversation
@@DOL-yd2jw Evidently you is
If we being honest after Miami Shaq was a role player
I believe that Shaq was pass his prime when he went to Miami also. In fact Alonzo Mourning had a bigger impact on Miami than Shaq did in the finals.
Thank u Gil for this segment. Everyone look scared to talk about it
Idky they be so scared of mfs. Shaq ain’t fighting nobody he got so much to lose. Cut the shit.
Dude nobody was doin that back then it’s a fact
H8TN krazy here!!! Foo said thanx Gil 😂 I bet Shaq don’t kno how much GiL made.
None of what Gil said pertained to the topic Shaq never teamed up with anyone in his prime period no stars in la when he joined an Dwade needed shaq to solidify him as a star
Arenas has to understand that Shaq left Penny, Nick Anderson, Dennis Scott, etc. for Eddie Jones.
Facts with a better record
And Eddie Jones was decent but yea not the same team
Imagine Jordan joining the Celtics, Pistons or Knicks in his prime before winning in Chicago. Or better yet had he played with Magic in LA.
Jordan had a better team that shit just sound good nobody wanted Jordan until he won & you couldn’t do that back in the day
He literally couldn’t go if he wanted to. When the opportunity came along he was already winning so why would he?
@@jerrodgarland2604dude Jordan team sucked in the 80s he was the only Allstar wat are u talking bout he had a better team