Won this with a lv12 Vorazun. My zagara ally took my minerals and I took her vespen. Then I spammed Dark Archons, Cloaking pylons and handled time stop and dark hole for her p3 Queen on hybrids timing. We almost made it vs Lurker Ultralisk but mission "timed out". When we started again ennemy comp was Immortal Colossus and the mission turned into a cake walk. Honestly Dark pylon on their own make Vorazun worthwhile.
P3 Stukov feels easily like A tier if not S tier. If you can get a reliable ally to help you cover your early game by the time the ball is rolling you are unstoppable and essentially negate all the mutators.
By saying that u need an ally to carry you, you basically just admitted that he is C tier lmao. Like, just actually listen to what they are saying bro, they made a deep breakdown of stukovs game plan and they know what they are talking about, they aren’t just talking out of their asses. And they made it pretty clear as to the conditions for each tier, and stukov barely inches B tier at best
These types of mutations always prove this simple fact: Dumbest (not the worst) players are always the loudest, angriest, most hateful beings in Co-op. Zero self-criticism, nothing matters, just always make the allies feel bad.
I just finished this mutation with twice the amount of kills as my stetman teammate (750 vs 352) using P1 stukov for a very simple reason : unless dealing with a mutator like nuclear annihilation or an air comp (in which case you add liberators) spamming diamonbacks is inferior to a 50/50 diamonback/siege tanks, people do not realize the ABSURD level of firepower stukov siege tanks have and even when the ennemy make contact because of speed freaks they didn't survive long to the first volley and after that were too busy shooting at the volatile infested to deal any damage The only reason I wasn't able to max out even though I was close to it is because the ennemy comp was classic mech and the BCs kept yamatoing my diamonbacks (twice each because of revive) but my siege tanks count stayed healthy throughout the entire game I recommend a barrack opener and make a few infested marine for the first outbreak wave which come before the first structure infestation, follow up with 1 or 2 bunkers I was generous enough to put one on my ally's side then use apocalysk on the first attack wave for a free clear and send it to clear Jinara's reinforcement, you should even have leftover time to soften your expo's defences (focus the diamonbacks if ennemy is terran) For the first hybrid wave I had 4 siege tanks and automated mitosis done combined with 2 infest structure to keep the ennemy in place and the aleksander my stetman ally only had a weakened air hybrid leftover to clear With all that being said if Stetman is S on this then Stukov P1 is S+
I managed to out kill P2 Dehaka, 2 times might I add, as P1 Zagara, on compositions that favor Dehaka. I helped do mutation multiple times with P1 Zagara. Played with Artanis ally, level 9 and level 4. Guardian shell and shield overcharge is so valuable. In another instance, Vorazun ally had the same amount of kills as me. So statistically you guys are wrong here about Zagara and Artanis. P3 Zagara isn't good at all here. Expensive units, one hero, with limited arsenal, in the mean time P1 just doesn't care. In my games, where I out killed Dehakas we went up against Explosive threats and Ravaging infestation(or invasionary swarm can't remember, one with lurkers), both super bad for Zagara as a whole. I even tried out Raynor, his no where near as easy as Artanis. Stukov we can just mass bunkers and don't care about anything. So as a whole, this tier list isn't from the perspective of an average player as we know, but more of who could solo better, which kind of defeats the purpose of what this tier list was initially from weekly votes. Foot Note: P1 Zagara the best! 😏
any player who truly understands the game will not use kill counts as a measure of commander strength see ctg's game with me for explosive results, where i got 65% of the kills despite doing pretty much none of the objectives.
@@TwoTuuu while kills are not EVERYTHING, they do matter in like 90% of cases. Doing two thirds of the killing may not mean that someone could "solo" it, but it definitely goes to show that a lot of work was done by that commander. If player 2 was able to focus more on the objectives - it was most likely because player 1 was killing more enemies to allow that to happen. For mutators like: Heroes from the Storm, Propagators, Kill-bots or Void Rifts - yeah, I can agree that killing those extra spawns matters a lot more than generic kills. For pretty much everything else - killing a lot more than the ally usually does mean they performed really well, or even carried/hard-carried.
I did this with p3 vorazun and my ally was swann. I killed 65%. I used time stop for every hybrid push and with max mastery on dark pylon range, I massed cloaked towers with the excess minerals to deal with the infested. enemy comp was explosive zerg, so you can't say enemy was ez either.
@@aminerkin9844 Meanwhile, their favorite commander "Stetboy" got his S-tier in under a minute, as usual (and as Stetmann, I was still hard-carried by a "C-tier" P1 Zagara and did not feel S-tier at all, but I guess I was bad and he was exceptional). Those tier-lists are trash anyway. I don't bother watching it anymore except for the conclusion. For this mutation, Vorazun was ranked first in their own online survey 3 years ago. There had to be reasons for this, even if it was maybe a bit too much.
I went karax p3 and got the immortal/reaver/disruptor comp. Real shit early game, but eventually I got my own immortals with energizers out and uhhhh mine were a little better than theirs.
Won this with a lv12 Vorazun. My zagara ally took my minerals and I took her vespen. Then I spammed Dark Archons, Cloaking pylons and handled time stop and dark hole for her p3 Queen on hybrids timing. We almost made it vs Lurker Ultralisk but mission "timed out". When we started again ennemy comp was Immortal Colossus and the mission turned into a cake walk.
Honestly Dark pylon on their own make Vorazun worthwhile.
I had a lovely Vora ally who dark pyloned my hatchery, while leaving my workers exposed. You can imagine who got attacked first.
P3 Stukov feels easily like A tier if not S tier. If you can get a reliable ally to help you cover your early game by the time the ball is rolling you are unstoppable and essentially negate all the mutators.
By saying that u need an ally to carry you, you basically just admitted that he is C tier lmao. Like, just actually listen to what they are saying bro, they made a deep breakdown of stukovs game plan and they know what they are talking about, they aren’t just talking out of their asses. And they made it pretty clear as to the conditions for each tier, and stukov barely inches B tier at best
These types of mutations always prove this simple fact: Dumbest (not the worst) players are always the loudest, angriest, most hateful beings in Co-op. Zero self-criticism, nothing matters, just always make the allies feel bad.
I just finished this mutation with twice the amount of kills as my stetman teammate (750 vs 352) using P1 stukov for a very simple reason : unless dealing with a mutator like nuclear annihilation or an air comp (in which case you add liberators) spamming diamonbacks is inferior to a 50/50 diamonback/siege tanks, people do not realize the ABSURD level of firepower stukov siege tanks have and even when the ennemy make contact because of speed freaks they didn't survive long to the first volley and after that were too busy shooting at the volatile infested to deal any damage
The only reason I wasn't able to max out even though I was close to it is because the ennemy comp was classic mech and the BCs kept yamatoing my diamonbacks (twice each because of revive) but my siege tanks count stayed healthy throughout the entire game
I recommend a barrack opener and make a few infested marine for the first outbreak wave which come before the first structure infestation, follow up with 1 or 2 bunkers I was generous enough to put one on my ally's side then use apocalysk on the first attack wave for a free clear and send it to clear Jinara's reinforcement, you should even have leftover time to soften your expo's defences (focus the diamonbacks if ennemy is terran)
For the first hybrid wave I had 4 siege tanks and automated mitosis done combined with 2 infest structure to keep the ennemy in place and the aleksander my stetman ally only had a weakened air hybrid leftover to clear
With all that being said if Stetman is S on this then Stukov P1 is S+
For those hetting lvl 5 glitch best to scan and repair, it isually fixes it.
I suffered as P2 Tychus, and I annihilated as Vorazun P1
Zeus forgot the screenshot. Can't trust God's for nothing
I managed to out kill P2 Dehaka, 2 times might I add, as P1 Zagara, on compositions that favor Dehaka. I helped do mutation multiple times with P1 Zagara. Played with Artanis ally, level 9 and level 4. Guardian shell and shield overcharge is so valuable. In another instance, Vorazun ally had the same amount of kills as me. So statistically you guys are wrong here about Zagara and Artanis. P3 Zagara isn't good at all here. Expensive units, one hero, with limited arsenal, in the mean time P1 just doesn't care.
In my games, where I out killed Dehakas we went up against Explosive threats and Ravaging infestation(or invasionary swarm can't remember, one with lurkers), both super bad for Zagara as a whole.
I even tried out Raynor, his no where near as easy as Artanis. Stukov we can just mass bunkers and don't care about anything.
So as a whole, this tier list isn't from the perspective of an average player as we know, but more of who could solo better, which kind of defeats the purpose of what this tier list was initially from weekly votes.
Foot Note:
P1 Zagara the best! 😏
any player who truly understands the game will not use kill counts as a measure of commander strength
see ctg's game with me for explosive results, where i got 65% of the kills despite doing pretty much none of the objectives.
@@TwoTuuu while kills are not EVERYTHING, they do matter in like 90% of cases. Doing two thirds of the killing may not mean that someone could "solo" it, but it definitely goes to show that a lot of work was done by that commander. If player 2 was able to focus more on the objectives - it was most likely because player 1 was killing more enemies to allow that to happen.
For mutators like: Heroes from the Storm, Propagators, Kill-bots or Void Rifts - yeah, I can agree that killing those extra spawns matters a lot more than generic kills. For pretty much everything else - killing a lot more than the ally usually does mean they performed really well, or even carried/hard-carried.
Funny I played this mutation with Stukov P3 and karaz ally we finish the mision in 25 minutes. Mass infested dont care about Abo.
I did this with p3 vorazun and my ally was swann. I killed 65%. I used time stop for every hybrid push and with max mastery on dark pylon range, I massed cloaked towers with the excess minerals to deal with the infested. enemy comp was explosive zerg, so you can't say enemy was ez either.
good job. Here's your trophy.
@@kingpet they rated her a bit unfairly, but whatever. thanks for kind words bruh.
I enjoy mass dt against ground tos
@@aminerkin9844 Meanwhile, their favorite commander "Stetboy" got his S-tier in under a minute, as usual (and as Stetmann, I was still hard-carried by a "C-tier" P1 Zagara and did not feel S-tier at all, but I guess I was bad and he was exceptional).
Those tier-lists are trash anyway. I don't bother watching it anymore except for the conclusion. For this mutation, Vorazun was ranked first in their own online survey 3 years ago. There had to be reasons for this, even if it was maybe a bit too much.
@@aminerkin9844 They rated Zagara as bad as well. I helped friends do mutation with Zagara without any lose, yet I struggled with Tychus.
I went karax p3 and got the immortal/reaver/disruptor comp. Real shit early game, but eventually I got my own immortals with energizers out and uhhhh mine were a little better than theirs.
What about nexus coop commander?
I played it as P2 Fenix with random P2 Tychus. Ended up with both bonuses done and I even got 55% of the kills. Kaldalis surely is something.
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