SUPERCHARGER OR TURBO? What I’ve Learned After Owning Both
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- Опубліковано 13 січ 2022
- Let's compare my turbo fox against my supercharged fox! What's more fun to drive and why? Also what makes the most power??
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BREW2L: I think you’re the number 1 authority on the Foxbody game. Always doing real world work into these cars plus, a history from back in the day. This channel has come a long way! A definite inspiration to getting started, step by step bites towards getting a car done. (Although they’re never done haha)! Thanks for the content!
This is hands down one of the most intelligent videos I have ever seen on the topic. Nice work.
I prefer the blower for the simplicity, consistency and ease of installation. The turbo might make a little more power, but when both set ups are capable of splitting the stock block down the middle...does it really matter?
In a race it does
Well with a turbo you can actually regulate boost much easier. Power might come on slower but it comes in consistantly or linear i should say, not all at once. Also the turbo engine under daily driving will wear the engine less. The answer is simple, turbo is better for the life of the engine hands down. Thats why every diesel engine in tractor trailers are turbo engines not old school supercharged detroit and cat engines.
I've had both and been in and around a lot of both blower/turbo cars. If you want to get into the game without a lot of headache, blower is the way to go.
Centrifugal blowers have come a long way and are a lot more efficient than they used to be. They're much easier to install, less potential maintenance, and in general will be more reliable. Even a novice mechanic can install one in their driveway, usually without even having to jack the car up.
The main advantage of a turbo is obviously efficiency. Being driven my exhaust gases instead of a pulley, a turbo essentially makes "free power", no parasitic loss. The other advantage to a turbo is infinite adjustability at your fingertips. The downside is that it's a more intricate setup, much more involved installation, and more potential maintenance. Also you'll generally spend a bit more on a complete turbo kit than a blower.
At the end of the day, you can make big power with both. If you just want to have fun with a street car that you tinker with on the weekends, the blower is the way to go. I think if you're a more serious mechanic and more serious about making the absolute most power you can, take the turbo hands down.
Sounds like you own a 5.0 Mustang. They can't handle over 500 horsepower without splitting the block, even with a girdle.
@@subz3ro43 Meh, not really. I've seen as many turbo cars get walked by blower cars, as I've seen blower cars get walked by turbo cars. For 99% of street cars out there, the difference in their power delivery is negligible.
Loving the retro sound with that whistle! You need to race these 2 against each other. Would make for a great video!!!!
I'm old school. Centrifugal everytime! Plus you get the exhaust note as well. Also I love the typical centrifugal whistle. The main difference between both car are cubes! The green one has much higher torque capacity, plain and simple.
I had an old Vortech S-Trim (basically fresh oil fed, with straight cut gears) and man did I love that "whistle". Made a bucket load of power. I was spinning it pretty hard, so it came on in a hurry too. Made my little stroked and poked Fox body a complete death trap. Went like hell, but when it broke loose, it made your butt pucker. lol
@@alfrede.neuman8611 I understand how those work but I honestly prefer positive displacement superchargers over the turbo looking one cuz of the lack of boost down low, it's more of a drag race blower vs the positive displacement one..
@@P71ScrewHead I agree. For general drivability, the Positive Displacement blower was better. I had a 4.6L SOHC with one on it a few years back that I was spinning pretty hard and the power delivery was awesome. Didn't feel like there was a power adder on there at all.....felt more like dealt the 4.6L in on a big block 460. Instant torque and power at all times. Very controllable and a lot of fun. Sometimes I wish I never sold that car.
@@alfrede.neuman8611 oh, I know how you feel, I never ever plan on selling cars I own unless I buy them for that reason..lol Don't worry man, get you another blower n have both on there.. ;)
@@P71ScrewHead you mean a centrifugal? A turbos boost response is based on the sizing of it and your cubic inches etc. You can have a nice powerband and good power as low as 3000ish rpm with a properly sized turbo with good tuning. There is a misconception that turbos are only for high rpm power. Centrifugal superchargers do build boost with rpm and will have much more up top as opposed to 3k rpm but turbos aren't necessarily like that unless you just have a huge ass turbo on there that's too big for the application. I prefer positive displacement blowers for mostly street setups myself. My bolt on 07 gt500 is at 550 rwhp with 4.10 gears and that thing has torque for days and it is INSTANT you can't feel boost kicking in it feels like a badass big block. I have a 2650 tvs gen3r from vmp going on it this summer once I finish gathering supporting mods like injectors etc I should be north of 750 wheel with the same size 2.6 pulley I'm running now. It's gonna be a monster I may have to go back to 331 gears lol. I am running a 17x7/15x10 f14 drag pack with 275/60/15 et street r tires so it's a fairly aggressive street setup but 410 may be little much for what it's gonna be we shall see!
the pro charger guys, is more like a turbo that is centrifugal, it makes power in the top end because it it spools up the hard you turn the through outs like a clutch ,,a Whipple, for example, makes all its power in the bottom end because its direct drive and the speed is controlled by pully sizes, there a few trade-offs there but mostly space. a Whipple is a hood cowl no way around it. pro chargers are low-profile goodness, but they are gutless off the jump. compound them and then you get a tone of fun if you can get it out of the driveway. factors f'n factors. efi, mechanical fuel injectors, and throttle bodies., and a shit ton of tinkering
the safe way to go about it is to yank the factory-cast cranks and replace them with forged ones. no matter the make if torque is you game longer throughs on the crank and each make has a different tolerance for that it requires a stouter longer con rod and job specific sleaves.meaning what they are made of, and the proper clearance .crucial to engine life. all power adders have a mileage rating depending on the application, know them, i commend the author of the video for encouraging you to get involved with go fast there is not enough of us in the hobby to sustain it, and for that, I love him, there is a lot of $$ involved and people give up on it quick if shit goes wrong, bobby and his Friday night hot rod is all but dead for many factors the biggest gov. over reach, but I for one will never surrender. you don't need a paperweight in the driveway with a tow sticker in the window, everything worthwhile deserves careful consideration if you're a poor boi better have a side hustle and a brain between your ears. have said the have the hell at it.,,, an after though you gotta gap the piston rings for boots and if I'm not mistaken it has to have a boots target
What a great explanation of the two cars. Those wheels look amazing on the green car and I bet they will look great on the retro as well.
Calypso looks killer with the 18” .
Almost as good as it did with the SVE gold mesh 😁
Calypso car looks killer with those SC wheels! The difference for me is I’m still stuck in the 90’s so if both cars were together with the hoods up I’d be more compelled to take a closer look at the retro Vortech/Hartman combo.
Who knew (4) 18" wheels and tires would fit in the back seat of a notchback 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
This channel is becoming my favorite channel and that calypso had me hypnotized
Brew2L showin the luv for the GT's in a world of coupes these days. I think its great brother as I luv coupes but lately that's all everyone is building and I've always been a GT/Hatch guy at heart anyways. Keep it up man. The Calypso has come such a long way and has turned into a nasty lil monster. My ride is slowly getting to the point where I have to make a powertrain choice so its nice to see both sides of the fence. Thumbs up bro as always. Keep the good content comin.
Man... I am happy as hell to see someone worthy got the life I ordered. Love the collection. I have had "Stitch" my 89 LX Hatchback 5.0 for 23 years now, and seeing these fox's has my ass back out working on her. Thank you
🙏 thank you. I’m doing my best to keep the torch lit 🔥
Love the look of the Calypso with those wheels on it! I almost prefer those over the ‘93 Cobra wheels.
YEAHHHHHH!!!! SKIN IT BACK!!! LOL!!!
Glad you took the time to emphasize combination and making that your expectation of choice!
I love both! But can't wait to see you line up with Andrew's ride!
New wheels looks sick! BREW2L you are killing it was this awesome content! 🔥👍👍🦊
Love the sound of that supercharger.
Awesome vid, B! Thanks!
@16:57 I couldn't tell if that was a kiddo screaming or the turbo 😂. Both sound great my man!
Great video brother, very informative!!
Great stuff!! Thanks. The Red one Sounds amazing!! 🙂
Good to see you brew! Lookin fresh with the new cut bro
Always good to see your little girl close out the video, so cute.What a great one , one a more quiet sleeper more so Calypso, and the Rowdy cam chopping RetroFox, both great choices.
Awesome video. Great usable information.
Subscribed!
Thank you and welcome aboard ✊
Love the sound of the retro!
The sound of that turbo car when he gets on it. 😍 amazing!! Retro also great 2 but....dam!
Very informative video Brew2l Really learned a lot and enjoyed this one , hope you’re doing well brother.
Taking it day by day brother 🙏
Great honest comparison between the two types of forced induction SBF’s 👍 I know you love that ol’ skool stuff man & you have a point with the stock lower being a restriction. That said, i’ve got a downs ford bread box intake (gt40) for sale, bet that would wake her up a bit!
How much on the bread box love those intakes
Those are both beautiful fox bodys! Enjoyed the video!
I used to have a 89 lx hatch. Stock bottom, x303 cam, eldebrok al heads, Paxton Novi 2000 with cog pulley setup with 15 lbs if boost. It was so much fun
Nice bro! I would love to see track time on both cars.
Dudes gotta fleet of cars and a nice garage.
I’m happy for him.
I want that too.
Calypso is my favorite. Then you put those wheels on it and i love it even more . Wow.
The lifelong debate lol! I love ‘em both
That shot frm behind. Two bada$$ finished foxbodys in the driveway, and 2 more Mustangs in the garage bout to be saved 👍 can't wait to see the finished product on the new projects.
The Sounds of Music!
God bless both those cars! I send you and your family all kinds of blessings.
Great Vid bro, I like both ! 👍🏾
It’s all your own preference and I get that, but I love those anniversary wheels on the Retro Fox. I know they’re not exactly fitting with the retro theme of the build, but it looks just perfect to my eyes.
Love the Calypso, but that retro fox is where it's at for me. Screams 90's and Is just awesome!🐺
The calypso is looking fine with those wheels..I love them both..
Awsome breakdown
Love the look of the SC wheels on the Calypso! Just sounds like you need some better tires out back. I would roast mine all the way through the top end of 3rd gear then switched to Toyo R888R’s and hook in 3rd pretty well - seconds still a battle, but my combo of twin turbo Dart 347 on 9 psi and 3.73 gears builds tons of torque.
Thank brother! It’s had drag radials on it up until a few days ago.
@elementl1166 what all did you do to the motor? I'm planning on building a 349 twin turbo stroker for my 95 5.0 f150.
Got a Ford Strokers forged 347 rotating assembly and machined Dart block from Woody and did my own assembly. 185cc Twisted Wedge heads and custom cam came from Ed Curtis. Topped it off with a ported Holley Systemax intake manifold.
What a video! Thanks
Great video again I was thinking the turbo would be quicker. Love that your daughter gave it a thought before she answered with green one.
Love the wheels! Gotta keep the drag set up with ya tho. Cuz you know it's gonna be a brew2l and Jason battle at Ford take over. And we can't forget Dan with regular guy garage and his flyin 331
Great video! We fans gotta start sharing tbis channel, I swear it has something to do with UA-cam why it's not multiplying. I have the bell on and still do not get notified.
On the the foxes that drive better than another. Let me tell you my coupe with the tko 456 gear with a spool is painful to drive lol not painful obviously but it turns like a dump truck 🤣
Both cars are amazing I couldn't dream of something that seriously awesome. I just want a N/A v8 in my 87 lol 😆 small goals , love those 18s they look great 👍
Nice!!! Calypso is that “Saturday night shooter”!! Retro is the “old man can get it on a Sunday”””.
Those wheels look soooooo good on the calypso! Livin the dream man, turbo and supercharged foxes! Both are wicked.
Rims looking fire man 🔥
I’m glad you did this video I’m doing a 347 build and I’m up in the air on super charger or turbo
omgggg that Calypso Green is absolutely gorgeous
That green mustang is so nice. I remember seeing one when I was a kid that same color with the snake on the fender.
Damn those look Good on the Calypso! 🔥🔥🔥
awesome video. liked and subbed! One question just curious why you can't hear the whine of the supercharger on the red fox body?
Bro got some beautiful foxbodys cool set ups great looking appearance
Love how you explained everything ! 100k views Nice ! 😂
Both are Badass and this Saleen wheels look awesome
Elderbrock 😄 Good video bro👍
Hey man. I love your work. What part of Tennessee you located?
Back in the good ole days when I owned a 08 Bullitt, She was cammed with Brenspeed Detroit Rockers, FRPP intake and TB, LTs, no cats and Borla Ataks. Sounded nasty, drove great and handles great as well. I also had our 93GT pretty stock except for basic bolt on, stock heads and block. I got asked ALL the time, which is more fun to drive. I would tell them, well it depends on the mood I'm in. If I wanted to have a more spirited (as you stated) drive, then the Bullitt. If I still wanted a low spirited drive but just simply roll with the cool factor then the Fox. I've always owned a Fox, but gotta admit, I surely miss my Bullitt. Was just an all around bad ass car. It's in Jacksonville Fl now and the owner said he grins everytime he cranks it.
Beautiful stangs brother! love them!
Thanks 🙏
Love those wheels on the Calypso!!
I said the Calypso a month or so ago when you asked which one we thought was faster. I have a supercharged mustang and a turbo mustang and turbos are hard to beat. It pained me to say that because I've always been a supercharger fan. I love both those cars of yours but that Calypso is killer!
Unless you run with a promod style F1 or whatever style crank driven supercharger like Ryan Martin, and J.J. and alot of guys are switching to instead of twins or nitrous all 3 are competitive in their own way I've always been a supercharger guy as well but have been looking at a big single turbo for a while
Looking clean!
Well, both cars are really nice, but your daughter stole the show! She's about the same age as my daughter, just getting introduced to my Fox Mustangs. Keep up the good work.
Those wheels look good on the Calypso!!!
Both cars are bad ass!!!
Love the wheels! What specs are they? Any rubbing? A link would be greatly appreciated.
That calypso is beautiful but I’d love to had that retro , just because it’s very similar to the one that nearly killed me .
Both are beautiful mustangs with bad ass setups !!!
Turbo technology has come so far that I’d prefer to go that way over SC but either will make me happy. Also, if I were going SC route I’d go with twin screw over centrifugal they have come a long way and are making great top end boost today. Back in early 90s when I built my 331ci motor I debated NA or boosted went NA and wish I went boosted, live and learn.
It has for stock cars, when you go big... you lose all that technology. Superchargers are better for big motors, turbos are your only option on small one. Prolly a reason top fuel uses superchargers & are the fastest in the world by a LOT.
@@ohane1 ok so explain this one to me using facts, turbos provide boost just like super chargers using a compressor where a turbo spins the turbo using exhaust heat and a super charger spins co pressor using engine. When you go big do these engines not have exhaust heat? How does a turbo lose its ability to spin a compressor so cannot provide boost? Are larger turbo’s section not available for larger displacement engines because correct if I’m wrong but aren’t they common place on semi trucks with massive displacement engines? Twin screws are used in top fuel because they want full boost off idle, if they wait for a larger turbo to spool the race is over. I have to say your comment shows your lack of knowledge in turbo and super charger technology
Them wheels on the calypso are fire, super sweet
Two awesome fun and unique foxes. Exciting to see what you do with the new fox. EcoBoost twin turbo 4 cylinder? hehe
Well I differentially like mine now that it's running like it's suppose to just wish it wouldn't have taking so long lol.. those are some fantastic looking cars people on UA-cam just know how good they look in person.
Glad you got her running good! And thank you brother I appreciate that!
Dang!!! The Sc wheels look amazing on the Calypsos
Yeah they do
You should be a proud man standing between those two builds
Calypso looks perfect with those wheels & retro fox sounds so nasty… both fox’s are amazing!
Those wheels look soooo sick on it🤟👍😎
Have the same SC wheels on my 93 Reef blue GT. Just getting into the Fox scene. Had 2 SN95's. 1 GT and 1 Cobra. Both 5.0's. Loved them both but don't think I'll ever go back to 4th gen. Foxbody4Life. Subbed.
I love those wheels on the calypso
Subbed cause your living the American dream lol
Glad the last 5min talked about how powerful na motor should be with either one. Ty
Those wheels look sick on the calypso. 👍and to be honest im torn between which one i like more both incredible setups
Both cars are amazing but the question is which one is more reliable
Most likely the supercharged
The Calypso looks sick with them wheels
Good comparison If I had my choice between cars I want both subscribed
Killer look with those wheels, love that gunmetal with the polished lip anything on a fox tho
Should’ve went over the price difference between the 2. Which I already know the answer. I’ve had both and I can tell you from experience I’d go the turbo route. No belts and pulleys to deal with
I still like the SVE series 3s or BBS or CCW ❤️. I currently have Convo Pros bigs and littles. They are 15s but look so good lol.
I’m going with the 18x9 and 18x10 to fit the Cadillac ATS Brembo calipers. Going to get the gold bronze or whatever color they are.
Those wheels are 🔥on that car!!
Calypso looking good with the Saleen replicas, the Retro Fox sounds good. Two nice Foxes hard to say which one is better or better looking.
I hit as quick as I could and still was 14
Jimbo!! ✊
Calypso looks GREAT. What a fine looking stang. Wow.
I love both the cars, absolutely gorgoues cars ! Either car I would appreciate 💯 to choose I'm gonna have to go with the Calypso 👍
This makes me feel so inferior with my rinky dink 90 GT lol. I love both of these cars man. Maybe one day I will pull mine from under the shelter and get it road worthy again.
you can add a boost controller with software to ramp in boost by gear which makes it linear.
The Red one sounds Nasty like its got some Balls excuses my language lol. Awesome stuff
Lol no problem thanks bud!
@@BREW2LFOXBODY welcome have a wonderful evening
I think as foxbody owners, we all can relate to that grin that was underneath your face of concentration of what the car is doing while you were doing those test runs. Can't help but be happy with our toys when they work like they're supposed to!!
Absolutely! It’s bliss when it all comes together
these mustangs are so much fun to play with! super lightweight and simple! Yet can be transformed to anything imaginable!
Definitely so one of the best race chassis Ford produced for the cheapest prices at their time love em so much man
The calypso looks great with those wheels !! I think that the retro fox should get the sc wheels though and have harris lue make u some decals for one of the spokes like his and then get the new 18in 93 cobra wheels on the calypso ! Sick! Also the 65 fast back should stay with the carb set up and go with a 351 based 427 with a 4 speed just raw horsepower !!