DYNO SHOOTOUT: C8 Corvette ProCharger VS Twin Turbos Compared Head-to-Head!
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- Which is better for a C8 Corvette: ProCharger or twin turbochargers? This is a question we regularly hear from our customers and see in the C8 community, and today, we're bringing answers! In this video, we install both ProCharger's Stage-II system and Peitz Performance's Bravo Lite twin turbocharger system, and share our full comparison including design & construction, installation, cost, dyno numbers, and much more! Hopefully you find this information useful in deciding which way you want to go!
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Would love to see a head to head 0-60 and 1/4 mile to see how the stack up, great video
Yeeeeeesssssss
We know the turbo wins easily..
for such a small channel yall have stellar content
Indeed
Facts thought it was a bigger channel until reading your comment 🤯
What does channel size have to do with anything? Great content could come from zero subscriber channel.
Very good information. Prior to watching this video, I knew which system I wanted. Now I'm not so sure. Both are quality products, both have Pro's & Con's. I lean more towards the system that requires less maintenance, but initial cost is a factor too.
worth it in the long run
Not sure how this channel doesn’t had a couple hundred thousand followers yet! Good stuff!
Great video! Love the work you did on my C8. The guys in your Richmond shop are amazing.
That's a huge cost increase. Now I can see why it makes sense to just get the forced induction done from the factory. ZL1 Camaro with a pulley intake and exhaust. Newer M5 gets close to 700 whp with a tune. 4.0 AMGs with a tune. This upgrade path just doesn't make sense but to each their own.
There are plenty of cars where an aftermarket SC/turbo does make financial sense, just not this one currently. C8 kits are just insanely expensive right now since the both the vehicle platform and the kits themselves are pretty new to the market. Plus they'll sell a lot fewer kits for the C8 than they will for many other vehicle platforms, which also keeps the prices much higher. $7k-$8k will buy you a nice SC/Turbo kit for most other more common platforms that have been around for a while.
Where it starts to make sense is the fact that now that the c8 is a couple years old you can get a brand new one for close to MSRP. I’ve seen them as cheap as 69k. So for 10-12k less than the price of a Z06, You can get a c8 that makes at the wheels what a Z06 does at the crank. The story is still the same with the other cars you mentioned but let’s be honest. No one is cross shopping a rear engine supercar with a front engine sedan or sports coupe.
Limited after market support on these c8 corvettes, a lot of shops don’t really like to even touch em
@@branchtana315There are an absolute ton of C8's out there now.Likely about 130,000 of them and if you look at the FI forums nobody is really modding based on the price point vs the returns.
would have liked seeing a real world 0-60 and roll test fo the 2 systems...
feel like the supercharger would win from the dig
Only issue with the TT twins system are those filters are down low in an area that would suck up water, so it is living where it rains off an on 7 months a year like the entire middle of the country, or coastal states.
@3:49 Might be just me but i am not a fan of filters right next to exhaust like that, would be nice to see what intake temp before and after any intercooler.
Awesome video... Can we get draggy times for them in a follow up?
i went with LPE/magnuson, and is making 644whp. cost 25k so far i'm really happy with my choice. great video thank you
Do you have the htc.
@@chrislaroche4725 coup
644 at the wheels did you change the axles?
@Nick Lovely no they didn't recommend it unless I planned on running the car really hard. They're test cars had all stock valve train and axles
With what other mods? That's one of the higher numbers I've seen for that system.
Those turbos sound amazing on that car. Killer comparison and video guys.
v8 rear mounted twin turbo is my all time favorite style on anything i am always interested in plumbing and cooling ! cool
this team is about to turn my 392 up soon. cant wait!
Great video professional and precise. Thumbs 👍
Procharger sounds like Supercharger but in Turbo shape instead , I personally use Procharger because it is in between of them , nothing is better than a well balanced booster , mid lag and high enough boost .
It's called a centrifugal supercharger.
@@Make-Asylums-Great-Again I know
@@Make-Asylums-Great-Again it is also called procharger
There's a lot of variables in this, depends on boost level, depends on other mods also, and always a supercharger will sound better than a turbo because you kill the exhaust in a turbo system.
Great video, I have to say, the only thing really surprising here is the sound between the two. I really expected the twins to be more subdued. I also have a Procharger and have the quite gear set (this video makes me thank God I did) and it really made my LS sound nasty out of the exhaust so I think if you were to do the same, the Procharged version would sound much nicer than this…Not as good as the turbski’s good lord, but certainly better than a blender :)
The prices are ridiculous! Your better off buying a C8 Z06 with a 1LT trim level.
Did you factor in the +30K on top of MSRP from dealers?
@@lender3000 Some aren't marking them up like that.
People who will buy these cars, and modify them in any way, have whats called "F-ck you money". Those ppl will drop 20 grand, (plus installation fees) like us "poors" spend a 5.00 bill.
@@Hammerback0 agreed! Or they are just using credit cards.
my first boosted vehicle was a mustang that i supercharged with a centrifugal supercharger, My second vehicle was a turbo Eagle talon, I upgraded the turbo to a hybrid 50 trim. After owning both forms of boost I never went back to a super charger, the upgrade ability and performance potential of a turbo is far superior to a belt driven supercharger and requires less maintenance, also you have to worry about a belt with a supercharger.
Turbos are for folks who think about speed and being fast, and want too be the most powerful. I could care less about being fast or the most powerful as I'm not out here racing people, trying to put down track times or trying to be the most powerful. Every configuration has it's ups and downs. For me personally it's all about the drive. I prefer power where needed when needed. When I put my foot down I expect the instant rush of torque too shoot me in that gap I'm trying to get in when merging, which is why I prefer a positive displacement supercharger. There's no wrong answer it's all about what you prefer and what you are trying to achieve. Centrifugal superchargers are great for cars who already have plenty of grunt down low as they focus on higher engine speed power. Sometimes too much torque down low is wasted just because all your gonna get is wheel spin. Turbos are more efficient no doubt and they give you the most, but you have to wait on it albeit not long especially for smaller Turbos, but generally they are more complex as there are more parts involved. But again no wrong answer here let's just appreciate that we have a variety of force induction too choose from or else everyone would be driving around with Turbos under their hood, and no one would standout, be unique.
Turbo's for the top" blowers for the bottom end so" the key is no lag spool quick , & blower with 2.5 clutch pulley add nos for cooling 😮😂 drill self tappers in the wheel for Joe dirt bead lock & ready to rock or just get the turbs to feed the super charger & wheelie thru the 60ft braaap
That just sounds like a good way to blow the engine. I know it's possible but I'd be scared to drive a setup like that in my car lol not scared of the speed, just the cost
C8 tax hits hard with any aftermarket mods! Just like Supra or the new G87 M2, etc. newest and latest model tax
Love the video guys. The knowledge you guys have is amazing. Mopar baby!
Love the "chrome socket"
Hi, Which one is better on E-Ray to work with the front electric motor?
Any 60-130 runs? Any 0-60 or quarter mile times? I've seen sooo many of these kits put down great numbers on the dyno and see them underperform on the drag strip. 20k to 40k for an F/I kit that doesn't run 9's is not really worth it...
Yeah especially when stock these cars are already in the low 11s
@@blancaracing6108 On the C8 forum there is another member thatjust got his Lingenfelter kit done....60-130 is in the mid 8's..... I'm really disappointed in the results of all these for the price...23 to 35k is absolutely insane.... Someone needs to get this platform dialed in. So far the best I've seen is Carlos Rios running 10.1@130 with bolt ons....
I have mine going 10.7 just bolt ons . Carlos is tuned on a drag pack and much lighter than me with race brakes . Next time out I’m running drag pack and no wing (major drag) maybe a 10.4xx. Follow my channel! If I had the procharger kit I’d plan to run 9.80 or better .
@@blancaracing2615 I think that even with the Procharger you might not see too much of a gain.... Trifecta only tunes for the Procharger and not the supporting mods.... so since they only give you a canned tune it will limit you....
@@blancaracing2615 I followed but you have no videos....
The turbo wind up sound 😱
Heck yeah awesome comparison ! Other comparisons like Hot Rod Engine Masters Richard Holdner comparison would be 2023 Vette vs 1998
I just added this comment on your latest Peitz install: "Hit us again in a couple years once a true system is created for a HTC E-Ray where the Delta Control Module talks to both ICE and Electric ECUs... I intend to add Headers and High Flow Cats." Now that I've watched this video, I learned that the Peitz works with the HTC, excellent but still remains the DCM talking with the dual ECUs of the E-Ray. Your thoughts on all that I've said... Thanks in advance! Mr DJ
Luv the content!
Waiting for our shop Z06 to get on the build que… and waiting… and waiting.
Great to see these gains with minimal work on the C8 LT. Let’s see how the flat plane will hold up.
A video of the street drive would be awesome!
The TT sounds 🔥
HTC owner here and I love the twin turbo setup. It’s hard to tell which sounds better on UA-cam. You seemed to like the twin turbo more. Did you say $26000 installed for bravo light.? How much for bravo installed?
P1 Procharger is small D1 or D1X . But personally i like the TT set up better sound and function. Cost is still high like the inflation rate .
Pro charger for sure
Wow!! Great info and great content. Very high quality. Subscribed😎
Twin turbo for the win.
Very informative and detailed comparison.
Would you do a comparison between a Magnuson vs procharger?
Great explanations and commentary. Keep it up! 👌🏽
Whoa are you kidding the cost of those systems are ridiculous. Can build more power from scratch n/a for that.
THIS IS THE greatest vid out there for this sort of info! thank you!
Dope vid! Would love to see a whipple vs procharger on a mopar vid like this 🔥
Awesome video and products!!! I'm a Peitz Performance fan!
The twins look like a much less intrusive install, easier too.
Nope he mentions the installations in the video.
You guys are really awesome!
Root style and centrifugal over twin turbos. Turbos require more maintenance over time. Root vs centrifugal, centrifugal because it runs way cooler and i love how the power is liner/ less stress on the car. Root styles make more torque but there are consequences to that. It all depends on what you want. If you want to make all the power in the world, get turbos. If you want to crash your car doing a 1st gear pull, root style. If you want your car to sound like a fighter jet going down sunset blvd, centrifugal with straight cut gears and get a pro flow bov...trust me.
Very well done video.
I can't see how those tt air intakes don't cause problems on a daily driven, all weather, corvette?
Please update on any increment in top speed 🏁 🏁
Excellent video! I’m going twin turbo
No your not first you have to have the car then you have to have 30k to buy the turbos😅
Yo was that a B5 S4 I saw in that background?
You still have to see a side-by-side comparison
Thumb up. I got you, fam.
Sick video bro!!
Head to head is at the drag strip 😳
Or a gay porno...
So much more torque with turbos nothing like free power
amazing informative content! love it!
Excellent video!!
Gr8 video!
The twirly boys have a higher ceiling. LMR currently offers a 1500 hp package on these vettes.
Turbos always have a higher ceiling, but at 1500 hp you're gonna be replacing half the car with upgraded parts lol. Just get a viper at that point.
@@stevesamuel263 exactly if you are going for that hp you expecting to pay a bit, these are more getting extra hp but also keeping it near what it was. 7300$ price diff between kit and labour which probably extra 2 days to do turbo kit vs super, probaly seeing a good 8-8.5k more expensive to go turbo.
Tremendous video
pulley setup on procharger (assume stock crank)? Also is oil supply to the turbos from an adapter (not bad) or tapped (terrible)?
great video and keeping things equal. Street & track time definitely need to see what performs better... though your wording sure hints of some bias to the turbos ;P
Hard parts alone = labor not included
My concern is can the trans-axle handle the added power? Wondering about longevity. I have a C8 and have already had the transmission replaced under warranty. That would have been very expensive if I had to pay for it.
Wow
Great video, but how much does labor factor in? I don't think the costs of either unit included installation costs, especially when you mentioned the turbo system took 2 additional days longer than the ProCharger.
He said 3 days for the blower, 5 days for the turbos....
That is %66 more !!
8hr days, $100/hr = $1600 more.
$2400 vs 4000
Nothing is more efficient or less straining than twin turbo. At least that my take and why ive dine it for my over lander/ rock lander and why ill do it on the trans am gta i. Tryong to get
Haven't listen to the video yet, but I'm almost going to guarantee TwinTurbo's are going to make more power. However, a pro charger is super charger. It's probably still going to produce quite a bit of power probably be cheaper and much easier to install but at the end of the day, it's how big is your pocket and what do you want, if you were just wanting to add power, neither is probably a bad choice
the only thing I didn’t like about the TwinTurbo set up. What’s the location of the air filters?
So I sold my sports car some years ago and have been out of the scene for several years, what the heck happened to it? $18.8K for a SC and $26k for turbo installed??? wow has inflation gone crazy.
COVID has them thinking greedy like ....
Interesting
Do you have any videos on the full installation of the twin turbo package?
Nothing like having to take the rear bumper off to change the air filters on the turbo car????
5 DAYS install time?! Good lord!
Thanks for your efforts money is always a factor for the working class , would like to see these cars line up we know you did it so spill the beans ! P.S loose the dorky background music we are all adults don't need base drive background music to watch an information video just saying...
What is the top speed after the mods for both turbocharger and procharger?
9:59 should be expandability. The word ends in ability. Cheers.
Also hit the Lingenfelter sc kit.
i have it and love it. plus its making 20 more hp than these
MAYBE, you should ask for a thumbs up 👍 AFTER your video is done..... can't give a thumbs up on speculation.
Up next, lets see twin prochargers 😂
I’m going to say the TT set up is more than twice the cost of the ProCharger
Is trunk space compromised? Also, the Twin turbo, High Wing C8 NC License Plate Reads: First In Flight - quite appropriate, lol!
not by much, the new cover provides a slight bump out for the PC unit, but you still have space and can stow top properly
@@DavidMcCartyOnline that’s awesome! Definitely a strong contender vs. a Z06 + crazy markups - especially with used 2LT C8s being in the high $75-$80k range
@@_VelociDad yep, if you cant afford $250k or want to wait for a year or more, this is a good option alonside typical FBOs to spice things up.
@@DavidMcCartyOnline why do you think a Z06 is 250k? The chevy around here is only doing 30k markup due to the fact they've only been allocated like 2 so far. But otherwise you build it and its MSRP with just a 30k slap, so like 150k...
@@jasonweary9035 most Z06 equipped run $150 if not more, then add the markup. So you won’t get out under 200 and on top you’ll wait. Just was stating there are options if people did want to pay and wait. Z06 will always be the superior car, just options.
Get some t51r housings and man oh mannnn
Ball bearing turbos you say? Imagine deleting BOVs and getting the StuStu noises 😮
if cost wasnt a factor, turbos are clearly superior, both in terms of efficiency and tuning ability. whereas a supercharger pulley actually robs the engine of power before it adds it, which is another reason why the fuel economy is typically worse hp vs hp
Why not compare them from torque
What’s more reliable and easier to maintain?
It probably be the twin turbo
Which has the less net weight after installation?
Would the twin Turbo set up work on the Eray?🤔
Wow but 18k vs 26k is such a huge difference i mean....8 extra thousand to do upgrades in other places is just far too hard to pass up
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I believe nothing is better than Supercharger and I find Turbos are so overrated , I hope supercharger do a huge comeback soon to our loved American icons like corvette again , I hope to see C8 ZR1 with twincharger (SC + T)
The turbo kit's air intakes are down by the exhaust? That's only for a daily driver where it never rains.
I drove my RX-7 with a scoot hood, huge gills and a scope with no rain gutter in Florida. It's a sealed duct direct the filter, doesn't even drains. Rain isn't going to hurt a turbo car, intake temps get way too hot. Even under hood electrical stuff is designed to tolerate fresh water exposure. Drove the car like that for years, not even with covered parking, never had issue.
@@Dayandcounting Good to know
Why not run the same amount of boost?
I love whips but not an expert. Seems strange that the turbo INTAKES are so close to the EXHAUST. As in, when the turbos spool up and suck in air, they will also suck in HOT exhaust fumes no?
I was wondering that myself.
fumes probably not issue its more so radiant heat that 8-900degree exhaust pipe will do to the air right into air filters that. on paper turbo's have hair more power but wonder what would be the numbers after say 30min of the car running and getting all that nice and wamed up.
Supercharger better for daily driving which is what you want to do with this car
It seems like you get what you pay for with these options the twin turbos are more but seem like the better choice overall especially when it comes to the maintenance
Just never drive down a gravel road. And avoid even the lightest rain shower.
Actually try to stick to pavement that has been recently swept and keep speed to under 15 mph.
Or those setups are scrap.
Where is your shop?
I want your tools and knowledge.
Where you guys located?