[TF2] The Worst Weapon
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- Опубліковано 22 січ 2023
- Some guy starts sharing a somewhat staggering sentiment on which weapon sucks the most. (Hint: It's the Sydney Sleeper)
Seriously the weapon sucks at just existing within TF2.
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how dare you kinkshame sniper
Problem?
Piss = lewd
69 likes, nice, now 70.
Holy crap it's *the* 2fort from team fortress 2 2fort!!1!😱😱🤯😱🤯
piss
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They should have kept the “headshots cause an explosion of jarate” because it would make it a good way to reward people who can hit headshots with a way to apply jarate with out having to have jarate.
Wait they got ride of the explosive headshots?
WHY that was the only thing about the weapon that actually wasn't half bad since it traded single target damage for crowd utility.
@@simonnachreiner8380 traded for mini-crit on headshot
It exist!?
@@TottiRoblox it was
It was god-tier to be able to just splash a jarate at any distance.
"The Sydney Sleeper can extinguish teammates"
Except for when it doesn't.
Seriously, this is the most inconsistent upside I've ever had the displeasure of using. Sometimes I can noscope extinguish from 10 meters away, and sometimes the person burning will die or just naturally extinguish even after I pump eight shots into them.
Of the few times I've used this weapon recently I can relate. Its so painfully inconsistent that it makes the manmelter look more functional at this purpose...
Yes. Tbh, I thought the extinguishing teammates part was a myth with how often it kept just... not doing it. Over and over and over.
The Sydney Sleeper is much like the Natasha where you're not gonna get any kills with it but you will be annoying the enemy with the debuff you inflict.
I like the Sydney sleeper because I like playing meat clever and Christmas bobble with the force of nature. Because I am annoying and I get enjoyment out of annoying the enemy team.
I usually always get like 20+ kills with the Sidney sleeper in casual whenever I use it just going for body shots and headshots for beefier targets, in a short match of 5 mins, the thing can definitely kill a lot, but needs a different approach.
It is quite possible to wreck people with Natasha. Maybe that's just bc some people dont expect it and get surprised by the slow down.
You do kill light classes, especially other snipers
Sydney Sleeper chads we can't stop winning. Literally every tf2 youtuber imaginable can't settle about our power.
fr I got more kills with the sydney sleeper than stock
As God intended
Fr fr
Only the Ultimate True Chad Pee Gamers use this. They don't need to kill. It's all about the psychological warfare.
Common Sydney Sleeper W
I had no idea the Sydney Sleeper could extinguish teammates
One of the more requested buffs to the weapon. You are shooting Jarate after all. Just seems right. Now if that teamate would just stand still for a second...
@@KimFareseed It suffers from the same problem as the Crusader's Crossbow
@@abildamil Not sure comparing it to medic's meta primary is a good idea since you need to scope in to extinguish them, making you much more vulnerable than a medic doing the same with a crossbow
@@thunderspark1536 True and it also doesn't help that most players don't even know about this mechanic
@@thunderspark1536
You don't.
I do actually get hackusations from using the Sydney Sleeper because the enemy Sniper seems to forget that their entire body is a lot easier to hit than just my head.
A sin against Sniper Mains, I know.
I mean, I use the Sydney as an E-Liter on steroids, not as a Sniper Rifle.
@@ED-gw9rgsploon enjoyer spotted
@@thorne3648 Hold your fire - I'm more of an ex-sploon enjoyer. Nowadays, I rock and stone with the boys at DRG!
invalid opinion, shooting people with piss is the best design for a weapon in video game history
the big question is "but what did that do tho?"
literally any other sniper rifle would just..kill them, but this thing makes them easier for your teammates to kill
it's literally just stock with an extra step
It was funny
well if a sniper is in melee range with the bitchwaka, and another sniepr shots the target with sydney sleeper, then it will do more damege then stock in total.
It was better when charged headshots would splash the surrounding enemies with Jarate as well, but they got rid of that for some reason
This type of weapon called "sidegrade". And it not that bad, bodyshots give you bigger chance to hit the enemy with decent damage, bc you can shoot whole enemy body, not just only little head area (even cheaters cannot land every headshot, lol).
it would kill if you headshot
i don't have this problem because i am godawful at hitting heads
so i just run this with smg and have fun
This weapon makes sniper mains seethe so I'll keep using it.
Fancy to see you here but I dont mind that (BTW i thing that razorback i the worst "wapon" for sniper the not being owerheald is bad vs anothere sniper or in general and if there is no enemy spy the it Just hurts you)
@Shota-kun the classic to?
Based Zesty Jesus
I use it to make people rage in chat about bodyshotting
@@ha4e52 this was me like 3 days ago lol
I disagree with the "bad habit" bit of muscle memory training. Before you can headshot people, you need to be able to just consistently hit 'em. By training your aim with a larger target, you can develop an understanding of how everything works before aiming for heads.
I agree, and the min-crit headshots mean that the weapon still incentivizes precision, even if the reward isn't as great as the other rifles.
The piss gun is best gun. It makes other snipers really mad and hard focus you (especially if you kill them), so as long as they aren't using the bazar bargain all the heavys and demoknights are going to sigh in relief they can play the game.
Also it's just fun.
Prioritize fun for everyone expect other snipers
Pyros and Medics are also going to join in on that sigh
5:13 The Bushwacka Jarate combo is so strong, it just straight up kicks players from the game now
Nah, he just lost the will to live.
@@averybishopmartin6964 he also left the game
As much as the guy says alot of questionable shit, I'm with Zesty in that if the weapon has the capability to take a class from full health to the respawn screen in a single shot (assuming no outside assistance from crits and the opponent is running stock) from *any range,* it can't be that bad
agreed, I think he's just stuck in stock weapon mechanics limbo.
Sniper main problems
@@bigblue344 yep
True
Remember in I think it was Meet Your Match when the Sydney Sleeper actually did splash jarate when it landed it's minicrit headshot? I think that was the better design for the Sydney Sleeper than what we have today. That is what Nature's Call used to do as well as introducing the extinguish mechanic for scoped shots. It was great as it was honestly a balanced version of Jarate believe it or not relying on the aim of the sniper to coat multiple enemies in Jarate instead of just chucking piss from a safe distance on a 20s cooldown. If we ever got that version of the Sydney Sleeper back I'd honestly would be delighted or just another support style sniper weapon.
That might have been a bug but someone will probably have to fact check it. Even if the splash of jarate was reintroduced I still don't think it would be that useful compared to just quickly shooting multiple people in the head especially when 3 of the other Sniper unlocks are more or less designed with crowd control in mind (Machina, Bazaar Bargain, Hitman's Heatmaker)
The other main issue I recall with it was how quickly it disappeared, 2-5 seconds on a primary target isn't a lot but you can accidentally get some kill assists in without too much cooperation but with the splash the coat time was reduced even greater, so unless you successfully shot someone the same time someone had already fired a Rocket at them, you weren't looking at any damage increase.
@@SpaceGuyOnline It *wasn't* a bug as it was said in the patch notes being a intended part of the weapon. I actually played with it at the time and it was good, so good in fact Competitive players complained about it, *Even though it was already banned before this patch* and valve went back on the change. One of the reasons I have gripes with comp players making decisions on the game. Also remember it used to be up to 10 seconds of piss so it was very realistic as a support weapon, it was then reduced to 8 then 5 seconds as we have today.
I remember this because as you can tell I was very *Pissed* off.
@@SpaceGuyOnline Milk is the Best drink ,
@@SpaceGuyOnline also - Sydney Sleeper is a great weapon , every Sniper primary is over powered ,
It's a Sniper Rifle, the ability to murderize people across the entire map by itself makes it very powerful.
Easily the most fun Sniper Rifle for me to use. Honestly the most honorable as well, ironically enough.
I think it really speaks to how powerful Sniper is as a class that a Sniper main would consider the Sydney Sleeper to be the worst weapon in the entire game lmao
The Sydney sleeper is the only sniper rifle I can do anything with, it’s not really as good as the other snipers but it’s the only good one when you hit basically 1% of your shots as headshots, and most of your shots being complete misses, aka me
Or TF2's general bad hit detection
But I love the piss sniper...
I feel like most of the complaints given here about the Sydney Sleeper are in truth less complaints about it and more evidence that the rest of Sniper's rifle type weapons(aside from The Classic) are just inherently busted, which is why I'm one of those who are in favor of Sniper being changed up so all of his Rifle weapons have to follow The Classic's rules and be fully charged in order to deal full Crit headshots(probably change it so that the SS's "headshots deal mini-crits" thing applies to all other rifles as well if it's not a full charge shot), this not only knocks down Sniper's overtuned ability to instant kill more than half the game's classes(and thus would pretty much kill off the viability of Sniper bots and hacks) but it would also bump up the usefulness of the Sydney Sleeper(headshots don't matter as much with it), The Classic(all other rifles having to full charge to get headshots too would mean it turns from a barely usable joke to a viable sidegrade), and The Huntsman(since it'd now be the only Sniper primary that can deal full crits from an uncharged headshot), and make the differences that the Bazaar Bargain, Hitman's Heatmaker, and Machina/Shooting Star have from Stock go from barely mattering to critical differences in how you approach Sniper
To add to this the arrow fired from the huntsman should have it's speed and range set by how much you charge it, rather then letting sniper make instakill projectiles that are faster then any rocker and much harder to see
Sydney sleeper makes sniper the support class he should've been.
based and true
Sniper Rifles shouldn't be allowed to deal full-damage quickscopes anyway. Scoped headshots made when you haven't been scoped for more than a second should be reduced to mini-crits.
As for the Sydney Sleeper; it should give you bullet resistance while scoped in (you can't deal the critical hit headshot, nor can any sniper rely on headshotting you).
Big fucking no.
There have been multiple times in history where the Sydney Sleeper has made Sniper immune to headshots or surviving headshots or whatnot
It's always been terrible and it should never be added back
@@SpaceGuyOnline
Big fucking yes.
There was one time where the Sleeper granted any form of resistance, and that was with the set bonus that made you outright immune (always left with 1 HP from a headshot unless you were already at 1 HP).
That isn't what I'm suggesting.
The reason it was bad before was because it was an immunity requiring suboptimal play from the opponent to work around that would ultimately negate the point of the bonus. What I suggested (having the Sleeper grant bullet resistance while scoped in) would instead just give you a bit of extra security when making your shots, allowing you to make them from positions other snipers likely wouldn't be able to. It wouldn't shut down enemy snipers, nor would it be an easily circumvented buff. Rather it would be an actual balanced buff that would help the Sleeper have an actual use in the Sniper's arsenal.
the one sniper rifle you bring just to piss off that one sniper main
I wouldn’t say it’s the worse. It’s not bad enough to be considered the useless, nor is it horrifically annoying. It’s just sort of… there.
Being at a disadvantage and still dominating the entire enemy team makes it better.
To be honest this weapon is the most balance for the sniper, all the others sniper rifle shouldnt even exist in tf2
I think the Classic deserves to exist though.
No
Hard agree honestly, sniper is the most unbalanced class.
I know it's a skill issue but if literally one good sniper player joins a match it ruins the fun lol
@bees_churger a good snipers only difference between him and a bot is that a bot doesn't get surprised when people don't like him
@@calebbarnhouse496 though some are equipped knowning that with good ol' chat spam
The Sydney Sleeper:
- can deal a mid range shotgun shot worth of damage at any range, with no falloff and perfect accuracy
- can deal 150 damage with no falloff and perfect accuracy if the user stands still for a couple of seconds, enough to kill most classes or take them out of the fight in one shot
- can deal a 203 damage no falloff headshot with perfect accuracy at any range, enough to kill every class except heavy in a single shot, or force a heavy out of combat
- can apply jarate to any target at any range for up to 5 seconds, forcing them out of the fight for even longer or effectively guaranteeing their death if they’re in a fight
- can recharge your own jarate, one of the best secondary options available, simply by doing what your class is supposed to do
- can extinguish teammates who are on fire, making sniper an even stronger counter to pyro than he already is
All of this, and it’s still considered one of the worst weapons in its slot because, relative to the other perfectly balanced and very fair to fight against rifles that a player can choose from, it is somewhat weak as it can’t kill someone in under half a second in a single perfectly accurate shot from any range, including the ranges at which sniper is supposed to be weak, the success rates of which are determined purely by the users ability to execute a single, easily transferable and simple mechanical skill.
The Sydney Sleeper is not a bad weapon. Taken in isolation, it’s almost outright unfair. The issue is all the other Sniper rifles, stock in particular since it sets the baseline, and the fact that there’s no real limits in place to restrict a good snipers capabilities.
"Dark Souls 2 is not a bad game, just a bad Souls game"
The only reason the sydney sleeper is bad is because the other sniper rifles are fucking op lol.
@@thepandrbr “Um, Sniper isn’t op. Clearly you’re just bad. You have no idea what you’re talking about since you don’t spend 25 hours a day playing at the highest possible competitive level. Just flank him bro. Just dodge his shots. Just don’t move in a straight line.”
@@Geebanger0 ??? What?
@@thepandrbr that’s what most Sniper mains say when you complain about him being unbalanced
AND IN COMES THE GAS PASSER WITH A STEEL CHAIR!!
Yea, it is so ridiculous to even put the Sleeper in the pantheon of worst weapons when there are so many near useless weapons. Piss rifle works just fine, it's just weak.
I prefer to use the Sydney sleeper as a support (kinda like Ana in overwatch) where I prioritize doing exploding headshots in groups near teammates. I get less direct kills, but I like being a support class and if that’s from a distance, that’s good for me!
I like how he talks about why the weapon itself is bad and points out a side combo in a small point rather than point to why a weapon is bad because of the use of another weapon
It's called natures call because the "call of nature" is a common euphemism for having to piss
I know why it'd called Nature's Call, I'm more annoyed at the fact that the stat has a unique title rather than it just being the stat itself.
Seriously it's not like the Direct Hit's mini crit on airborne targets is called "Aerial Assault" or something
@@SpaceGuyOnline they gotta make the joke somewhere right
The Sleeper has a use case. On those rare occasions where you can get hiding place I use partially charged shots to coat enemies and do the majority of damage. The idea is I am hoping my team will get the killing blow, and thus not reveal my hiding place. It's real niche I know, but it works well when it works. Oh, and because you'll only be getting assists, you have to not ego which is why no sniper mains ever thought to use it this way.
Counterpoint: bodyshots are good and applying jarate on bodyshot is good. Plus the faster charge lets you bodyshot a lot more
This my friends, is what we call a skill issue.
Fun (horrifying) fact: The reason the weapon has no random crits is because for a few days after its release, it COULD random crit
what the fuck
i have been playing since like the game came out through out multipul accounts how did i not know this? nor even have memory of
So if it is so bad...why is it banned in comp?
Because in a 6v6 very team oriented scenario, being able to negate fall-off and increase damage on a target by 35%, even if just for a few seconds, is very good. but in a casual scene, you have to take in account who your teammates are fighting rather then " who do I want assassinated" most of the time, and I suppose he has problem switching to that mindset, when all the other rifle promote the opposite.
i'm going to rename a sydney sleeper to "the poorly placed piss shots"
thank you for this wonderful name, mr. spaceguy
I absolutely love using the Sleeper, just because shooting piss at my enemies is inherently funny to me. Also, killing people with a gun that technically can't headshot can be a flex.
The Sydney sleeper it not the problem, it might be the person who equip it.
Actually, they had to add the downside of no random crits to the Sydney sleeper as it did used to random crit due to how it was coded….it was just because it couldn’t headshot that it could random crit at the most basic of understanding spaghetti code
I like the fact that this weapon is a newb trap.
Less skilled Sniper mains in the game is always a good thing.
Seems like the perfect sniper for those players who suck at Sniper.
Even if you hit body, the piss can linger long enough for your teammates to follow up on.
So when compared to snipers role, I would say it's the most balanced/bad designed sniper in that you are not as likely to kill in one hit, but rather let your "team" in "team fortress " follow up for the kill.
This design reminds me of the idea of the sandman in MvM marking robots for death from a distance.
So, while yes, the design goes against snipers' current role, I would argue that this was an attempt to make sniper a proper support class rather than DPS.
After all, his portrait is in support, not offense or defense.
So allowing your teammates to follow up on your marked target feels like the way to go.
However they would need to re-work the class as a whole to properly make that transition.
The Classic is another example of how he played in TFC. More of a single target killer, rather than a horde cleaning machine.
But like always Valve is too lazy to be bothered by it.
Though it could use a bit of tweaking, I actually kinda love the general design. It makes sniper an actual support class. Precision is still rewarded, but not to such a polarizing degree as the other rifles.
It's called nature's call because that's slang for needing to take a piss
in my opinion the sydney is perfect for the sniper who wants to just shut some area down, you can still get kills on 5 of the 9 classes with one bodyshot, and it allows you to cripple enemy offensive capabilities, when you hit a bodyshot that can take a fully overhealed heavy and put em back to standard health, while also covering them in jarate which has like a 35% damage buff. this not only can completely destroy any classes overheal but it also gives your team more damage (and successive shots)
but the ultimate power it has is fear, you fear a good sniper because they blow off your head instantly, but you lothe a sydney because they're not there to pop you as soon as you walk around a corner from the other side of the map, they're there to slow you down and make you think twice about going NEAR them, bc you're not only in danger from their rifle but also the debuffs they apply
Valve had the right idea of giving it Jarate explosion (basically hit one guy and it would have a small radius where other enemies near that guy would also be covered in jarate. But ofc Valve just HAD to remove it..
Whenever I use any other Rifle, I miss headshots 90% of the time.
Whenever I use this, I somehow magically gain the power to headshot at least half of the time.
Soooooooo I'll be sticking with the Sydney here!
It was good for a second but then those who shall not be name *COMP* players complained.
Edit: old stat on headshot or fully charge body shot cover all targets near the intended target in jarate. Which actually made it really good at support.
It's still very good if you play with your teammates rather then just yourself, like you would do with the other rifles
6:26
There is, in fact, one other weapon that does this. The 10% speed boost granted by the Ali Baba's Wee Booties/Bootlegger require a shield to also be equipped in order to gain the bonus.
3 to one is not one to one.
@@SpaceGuyOnline Fair, but it's equally stupid.
I literally just found this channel and turns out I played against him either yesterday or day before
this thing had its entire niche in the piss explosion, which was removed because... (you have three guesses)
that's right! a bunch of sixes players couldn't grasp that their gamemode does not have the same balancing scheme as 12v12 play!
wouldn’t they just ban it
@@HeDronHeDronHedron yup, it was banned for a long time. it's still banned, last I checked, because the faster charge rate makes bodyshotting meds too easy, or something along those lines.
we never like to see weapon bans in certain gamemodes, but it must be this way. I'm just sad to see the piss explosion gone, because even after the rework it remains banned!
@@johnes4882 I mean I try ink body shots are underrated in the sense h the at they can sometimes feel like bullshit. If body shots had fall off it’d be a support weapon and less weirdo to play against. (But mini crits have no fall off so medic would still be 1 shot)
The speed of it makes it perfect for me since I am the type to keep a lookout for medics and spies. That insanely short charge time means even if I miss the headshot or the game just says "no, that was a bodyshot" when they clearly have a bloody mark on their skull, I can still drop priority targets with at least some level of consistency. And even if I do not get the kill, they WILL die regardless from my team. The upside of getting a headshot speeding up the jarate cooldown also comes into play the way I play sniper because I normally chuck the stuff into crowds and over hills/other structures when possible instead of using it as a get out of jail free card.
Nature's Call means ya gotta piss
Haha peepee gun go brrr
I remember when I first found this channel and it was using Gmod stills, now we've got freakin' SFM after what? Only a year and a half? Keep at it.
I mean, the Sidney Sleeper really depends on the person using it.
Take me for example, I can't aim for shit (and i don't want to lose a fuckton of time to learn to do that), and Sniper is my second least played class before Spy. I only have been playing TF2 for 3 years tho, soo, eh.
I've tried and all, and checked, I do get more kills on average when using the Sidney Sleeper, rather than most other rifles, because well, I 150 damage on a bodyshot still is 150 damage, it does the job relatively fine. Better to have to rely on your team to finish some enemies off rather than contribute nothing to the team.
Or yknow, just play Heavy, you're usually way more useful to your team that way.
So, yeah, I suck at Sniper and I like this gun.
Also no, renaming it the "Piss Rifle" with a custom name tag doesn't make you funny.
boots lock out some stats unless you use a shield, so Nature's Call isnt a one of a kind stat
aldo the reason it has the "no random crits" stat is because since it doesnt crit headshot, it actually *can* random crit without the stat which is how the weapon launched
3 to one isn't one to one and the Sydney Sleeper could only random crit for a literal week before the stat was removed.
what's the music in outro it sounds good
Bad weapons are fun
Nothing is more sadisfying that hitting the snipe piss and buswhacka combo on a cocky demoknight
The Sidney Sleeper sucks as an offensive killing weapon because that's not what it's designed for; it was made to be a supportive weapon. Sniper is a support class first and a killer second.
If you want a weapon that can clean house reasonably fast, I recommend the tracer riles The Machina and The Shooting Star.
If you're looking for versatility in your long shots, then you're definitely better off with either the Bazaar's Bargain or the Hitman's Heatmaker. Both reward you for scoring clean headshots.
The Patrons (I'm assuming) bit at the end was actually so good wtf, soothing music and cool shots with really fancy loadouts
Edit: I haven't watched TF2 content for a while and I realised these credits had already been a thing on your channel, but cool nonetheless
Beast weapon for support your team.
thoughts on the classic?
Its an alright weapon, so that means it is horrible compared to all of the other sniper weapons.
Sydney Sleeper is my favourite rifle. I'm not the best sniper by any means and I'm not gonna compete with any legit sniper in Casual, Skial or Uncletopia. Im fond of the idea that I can lay down a headshot for moderate damage and pressure an enemy further via the mini crits. I dont main Sniper anyway, so im not too pressed to go crazy with the other rifles. Im comfortable with Soldier and Engineer.
However, i did not know about the ability to extenguish teammates via a shot! I'll be using that from now on rather than throwing Jarate.
I also use the "TC2" equivalent "Sour Shots" as my favourite rifle for the same reason.
Credits music?
I used the sleeper alot when I first played tf2, now I just use it for memes
Been watching your vids for a while now, I'm actually rather curious as to why you chose the Sydney Sleeper instead of the Classic? I know that the Classic is basically a meme weapon at this point and it can actually kill compared to the Sydney Sleeper but I'm rather interested in hearing your thoughts about it :)
Purely stat-wise; I think the Sydney Sleeper every so slightly trumps the Classic just because you can quickly kill low HP classes rather fast without too much issue while the Classic requires a lot more time and aim
Design-wise the Sydney Sleeper sucks obviously as mentioned in the video while the Classic actually does attempt to counter one of snipers biggest short comings being tunnel vision and being caught off guard. Unironically if the Classic had a charge speed increase similar to the Sydney Sleeper, I can see it as being a legitimate weapon choice
@@SpaceGuyOnline You are forced to always fully charge with the classic not only because of the no headshots but because of the body shot penalty as well, contradicting it's own point of trying not to tunnel vision by forcing you to move slowly and charge forever with it when quick scopes can get the job done faster also without tunnel vision. The sleeper allows for follow up shots assuming your team mates don't get him, scare off advancing enemies, get combo with bushwaka and has a faster charge which offsets the minicrit only with headshots somewhat. With both the classic still being able to one shot any class in the game and the sleeper being able to one shot any class but heavy or a backup battalion soldier at any range because sniper.
If you want to talk about the most useless weapon while still making it a sniper main problem ignoring even the modern day sandman you got the tribal mans shiv, the worst weapon for sniper, even worse then the razerback or cleaners carbine because of how spy got buffed being able to get rid of bleed damage faster now while being cloaked making the whole bleed mechanic worthless as you trade in a good amount of damage for the bleed mechanic and is also a noob trap because of said cloaking removing bleed faster, the only reason to use the shiv outside of meming. Even when the shiv was "good" the spy could just learn to not run away and shoot you if he does get spotted, or you can just hit him with stock and be just as likely to finish him off.
@@bigblue344 yeah but comparing any melee to a legit gun will always have a skewed perspective.
There's the Sandman, VitaSaw, SVF, Shiv etc etc
Whats the music in the outro?
I just like making the enemy wet, is that SO much of a crime mr space man?!
My favorite part was the hellfire spinning Sydney Sleeper. The menacing effect was not lost on me. lol
What if you took the mvm upgrade where a head shot causes a burst of jarate that covers every enemy within a given radius and just made that apart of how the Gun Works in the first place?
I think Gas Passer is the worst in every way, and it ain't a contest...
Well... Every way except MVM.
not convincing. im gonna start to use the scorch shot
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If i recall correctly BEFORE IT GOT REWORKED, it used to be be more rewarding to get headshots. It would cause an explosion of Jarate just like normal Jarate, but you could do it from a distance. BUT NOOOOOO, the Comp people said it was bad (or so iv heard) so Valve changed it to THIS piece of crap.
Didn't the sleeper get a buff one update then immediately nerfed afterwards?
instead for the short stop why don't you slightly decrease the pelet reduce as that for me has been my main problem with it
Ahhh my favorite sniper rifle
What's the song at the end
The sydney sleeper also has a hidden stat, it makes you three times better at hitting quickscope headshots now that they deal 68 instead of 150. This applies the depression status effect as you realize you would have just gotten a quadruple kill but instead, you merely maimed the menacing meanies.
My hot take is crutches are perfectly fine and useful options for if you don't *main* a class but feel like somoene needs to fill a niche in team comp and you might as well do it.
Sniper mains? yeah you got better stuff to be using. If you're a Demo main and your team already has like 3 demos and you know a Sniper could be useful to have though... then you don't really have any reason to care about actually getting better at sniper.
Crutches are fine and dandy, my only issue is that I find the Sydney Sleeper to be like a negative crutch.
Normal crutches help you along until you don't need them anymore such as the Black Box when it comes to managing health.
The Sydney Sleeper however does the opposite, it makes it harder to kill enemies and it makes it more or less impossible to headshot. 2 core concepts of the class that it neuters completely and makes harder to do with no reward
@@SpaceGuyOnline So, I see your point but I don't think I emphasized mine quite right. If I'm a demo main playing sniper in a pinch, I don't really care about landing headshots or actually getting kills directly and I have no desire to get good at it since I'm just a substitute. I'm just trying to find something that mitigates the consequences of not being good at sniper. I'm gonna miss a lot, so I get to shoot at full charge more often. I'm not gonna be going for headshots, so the lack of headshot damage isn't really important. I'm not gonna be landing many follow-up shots, so I might as well make them easier for someone else to finish them off. If I'm not a sniper main, then I'll be losing most sniper duels regardless of loadout, etc.
Does it teach me bad habits and discourage me from high-skill play? Totally. It's a very fatalistic sort of weapon like that, where you just accept you're never gonna get better. Does that matter if I'm only gonna be playing sniper for like 10 minutes every couple of weeks though?
@@Exarian I get what you mean now and this would be a decent point if it weren't for the Machina.
Which does everything the Sydney Sleeper does in that situation but better because it deals increased damage, can hit multiple people and can still score headshots if you do manage to hit them
@@SpaceGuyOnline ok fair there I definitely forgot about the machina lol.
@@SpaceGuyOnline counter point, you need the Machina fully-charged to do that, and you can't hip-fire; with the Sydney, you can hip-fire and it charges faster, so you can land higher damage shots faster.
i've tried following this exact advice, and it just doesn't work because of the reliance on not getting killed before hitting that perfect 100% charge, when i can just shoot his shin with my Sydney and get an assist kill immediately.
Sydney Sleeper is the weapon I have the most kills with after 7k hours. I really, really miss the pre-Blue Moon version where it gave piss explosions on fully-charged shots or headshots. The stats they replaced it with -- the minicrit headshots and lowered Jarate cooldown on headshots -- do not help. They *_removed_* some of Sydney Sleeper's niche.
Why does it have a headshot bonus?
the thing is that some players cant able to land their headshots so they can use kidney sleeper to pratice hadshots with a more effective way
Pro SS main tip. Always taunt On every kill.
"Nature's Call" is a euphemism for the need to urinate (or defecate) which is why they name dropped it for the piss gun.
No weapon is bad unless a pro comes out and proves you wrong not only killing you with the "bad" weapon a lot ... but win the game a lot
It was me... I WAS THE ONE WHO USE SYDNEY SLEEPER WHILE USING JARATE AS MY SECONDARY... I AM THE PISSMAN
I like the old sleeper better, because I found it more fun. I can’t say it was or wasn’t better for the game.
...did you forget about the gas passer at least pvp wise?
If you can't land headshots but still want to play sniper this is nice, applied jarate effect leave them vulnerable to your teammates on the frontline.
Nature's call is probably a reference to "Nature is calling" which is another way of saying you need to go to the bathroom. Jarate = piss, you get the idea.
Yes, we get it, you prefer the selfish playstyle the other rifle promote, but I don't! As a medic/engi main, I always go for the playstyle that's gonna help my team the most, and for the 10h I played sniper, the sydney fills that role just fine, to get that heavy into kill range from a single direct hit, or make a whole enemy team retreat. And doing so without missing 80% of my shots, and being at the bottom of the score board. I do agree however that nature's call is an unnecesary mechanic, and the no random crit is not needed, but if you're gonna point the finger at bad description or meaningless ability, don't do it like it's only one in that case, shortstop, equalizer, crusader crossbow, pomson, huntsman. They all fit it very well. And even then, that still doesn't mean the weapon is skilless, with the faster chargé rate, I have to be far more active on the frontline to make it work, Coverring enemies left and right to tip it in favor of my teammates. As for extinguishing, come on it "covers in jarate" , how is that not obvious? As for not changing much, I've saved three medics and quite a lot of teammates, they all would like disagree.
Outro music?
i agree with most of this video, but the vitasaw is the actual worst weapon in the game. its design goes against everything related to medic's core mechanics, while also being a noob trap that greatly worsens the performance of anyone picking up the class
Most melee weapons are a lot worse than actual guns though
The Sydney sleeper is great if you just want to be the team player and assist sniper
You don't want to dominate you don't want to top the scoreboard, you don't want to do anything flashy like get 5 quickscoping headshots in a row
you just want to get the ability to kill 8 out of 9 classes on a fully-charged 203 damage head shot
You just want the enemy humiliated and you want them d buffed as much as possible and having your kidneys work overtime as you keep the enemy team coded and you keep your team coded to keep them from being burned to death
You loosen up the pickle jar but that heavy medic combo gets the glory of smashing it open
And for you that's fine you don't need the recognition
The Sydney sleeper is the sniper I only ever use because I bought a strange of it for a meme and I don’t wanna feel like I wasted money
Out of curiosity, what are your thoughts on the past iterations of the weapon? Do they fix the problems? Make it worse? Do basically nothing?