As a 70 year old, I really appreciate your videos. While you're a long way from my age, it's still refreshing to get advice and insights from people who are careful choosing and using their equipment. I'm not knocking the younger crowd at all, but their views and perspective tend to focus on the interests of their peers while overlooking the limitations older people face. Thank you for sharing your experiences and adventures.
I think we all sometimes get sidetracked by the "bling-bling" and peer pressure. We've fallen for it time to time. But experience seams to limit the "miss-steps". Thanks for watching!
As a 50yo who has done this 20+ years, I totally agree. Also, my Mom is 77yo and I find practicality and ease of use rule the day in our choices on her T4R
How would you expect "the younger crowd" to have an appreciation for your considerations, Fred? This is a great opportunity for you to open the eyes of those who have yet to walk in our shoes.
Just one consideration on aluminum. While steel is definitely the way to go for rock crawling, a significant advantage of aluminum besides weight is lifetime maintenance. I tend to keep my trucks for decades and I live in the PNW so having a material that doesn't rust is a HUGE benefit for me. I find I have to repaint alot of my steel every 1-3 years.
I love your no nonsense approach to what you need and use for over landing. Considering how much experience your opinions are based on, they carry a lot of weight. This entire video (with one exception) makes my choice of the Rivian R1S a great overlanding choice. The Rivian has a built in air compressor, it has a built in 130kwh “Jackery” to run fridges and inductive cooktops. It has a ton of extra storage in the “engine compartment” and in the “gas tank” compartment. It’s insanely efficient and road comfortable. It has built in rock guards and over 15” of ground clearance with 34” AT tires. All 3 rows go complete flat, making it a great great to sleep (with climate control running all night if needed). It only has 2 downsides that I can see: 1) I can only travel within a 300 mile round trip from a charger (i.e. RV camper spot with electric hookup) and the SUV doesn’t do great in slick mud inclines due it’s weight. I’ll take the 2 limitations to have all the other pluses and be able to use it as a daily driver. Most of my destinations are for mountain biking, so getting “off the beaten path” to car camp is all I need.
Thanks for the look at/walk through. Extra fridge space is just that much more room for good craft beer! I have a Viair 400 and I think I take about 20 minutes to air up all four from 18 to highway, which by the way for anyone wondering, bigger heavier tires is your worst suction of fuel mileage. From stock p rated to 265/70R 17's to 285/70R 17 E rated, I dropped 2 mpg instantly. But it does what I need so I expected that.
I agree with your comments about the mud collection in the CBI rear bumper. It's an awesome bumper but that part is maddening. I mounted the 2.5 gal air tank after seeing your video, but decided to go with the ARB dual compressor. I feel like it somewhat refills the tank just in the time between switching from tire to tire. If I'm moving quickly I would say I'm down to just running off the compressor by the last tire. I've used it on runs with friends and done 12 tires and it wasn't bad. The other thing I liked about the ARB compressor is it just runs until setpoint and shuts off, you don't need the pressure switch in the tank feeding back to the relay and all of that. You really only need power and a wire to your switch as far as electrical. Your videos are always helpful, even if I decide to do things a little differently!
Thanks for sharing your experience guys - we don’t have the 4Runner anymore in South Australia but now have the ute-based Toyota Fortuner, Ford Everest, Mitsubishi Pajero Sport and Isuzu Imux - I had Subarus for many years but now building up a 2010 Hilux Auto Diesel with Aluminium Tray and free standing Aluminium canopy - I went for the ute (Utility) so I have use of the Aluminium Tray for gardening and other domestic tasks and simply lower the canopy on to it - good to see you using our Adelaide built reliable Redarc system 👍🏻 - yes important to manage your rear weight for lowest centre of gravity and prevent your front wheels from lifting - safe travels John in SA
Great to see the care and thought you are giving to isolating your house power from starting and the choice to make an extensible and maintainable bus system for accessories. I'm a long time sailboat owner and that's how a boat would be wired to spec. I bought a '22 4Runner and was researching how people wire a winch into the 4R. I was shocked to learn that it is industry practice to wire directly to the battery without fuse/breaker or disconnect. That's totally unacceptable in the marine world! People would be wise to model your choices, offroad is not a lot different than offshore if you value self-reliance.
I bought RSG DOM 90 degree sliders after watching the slider install. Rear kickout is perfect for kids to enter and exit the back seats. Amazing Quality.
Thanks for sharing your experiences from the build. There’s nothing like reviews based on real life, battle testing of the gear. I have a 2018 4Runner, and I’ve only added a Hefty Fabworks aluminum bumper (60 lbs extra weight, and as strong as steel at 1/3 of the weight), winch (another 50-ish lbs), roof rack, aluminum skid plates, and a few other items. I have an order in for a Hefty Fabworks rear aluminum bumper, and that will add a little more weight, but less than a steel bumper. I keep most of my gear in a trailer, that weighs about 2,400 lbs fully loaded. Interestingly, the added accessories and even towing the trailer doesn’t seem to affect the fuel consumption much. Maybe by about 1 mpg, which I find acceptable.
Thank you folks - you honestly and frankness is appreciated -stay safe and stay adventurous. Oh one thing, is there a list of places and trails that you two have been, enjoyed or recommend for 4x4 camping adventures? Thanks again you two
Good Morning! My wife and I just bought a 2021 4Runner and we can't be more excited. I love your video and i am now a new subscriber. Thank you for sharing!!
I would say the same about my '00 Highlaner/Sport trim, but Minnesota winters and 273k miles haven't been kind to it (rust). I test drove a '21 yesterday and it was nice, and just a slow as my 3.4l! 😁
Just wanted to let you guys know your videos helped me with a couple of things. 1) the bumper install video solidified my choice to get one of similar design and winch. 2) make reservations to White Rim campsites! (reservations open up this week).
Yea I had a 4 runner great vehicle moved up to a tundra I just love the power of the v8 it's such a bullet prove engine. Downside in too wide for some of the trails. I learned that from the shafer trail in canyonland. Talk about bare knuckle driving
This was one of my favorite videos you guys have made. I really appreciate the likes and dislikes from your build because I am just now beginning to outfit my 4runner. Thank you for all of the great information and how to videos 👍👍👍
I just bought a brand new a Tacoma trd offroad and I have to agree, the bed is tiny and not that functional stock, fortunately it does have many bed-rack options. My biggest complaint is I get 15mpg completely bone stock. To hear your getting 15mpg with 33's and all that extra weight is slightly frustrating to hear because I slightly regret not going with a 4runner build. I have 2.5 King suspension and 33's coming along with steel bumpers and skid plates, I hope it doesn't make my fuel consumption much worse. I should add that it is a manual Tacoma which I didn't know at the time of purchase is the worst of the bunch for fuel economy. You live and you learn! Thanks for video I actually took in a lot of good information!
I always love watching the two of you and hopefully run into you on the trail....well, not literally. I have a 2017 TRD 4Runner Off Road and have yet to get it out there. Thank you for the mention about the air tank you installed. I was thinking of doing this exact thing. You have saved me much time and money. My design on building the rear drawer system is real close to what you have designed. I can see yours in how it works.
I appreciate you sharing all the work you’ve done and your honest opinions. Based in part on your UA-cam channel I purchased a new 2019 4Runner Off Road. So far the only modifications have been the same skid plates you installed and replacing lights with LEDs. As time, and money, afford I’ll be doing more work. Thank you.
I really enjoyed the candid review. I think we all have things we like and things we would have done differently on our builds. Good stuff. Thanks for sharing.
My 4Runner is as built as yours but I have a lot of the same feelings. I have a similar bumper set up and love the look, but in reality I don’t use it well. I really only got it because I got rear ended and insurance paid a chunk of it. Take a look at the C4 fabrication fuel tank skid. Solid design. I got it after my factory skid took damage like yours after a trip to Moab. Thanks for the videos. I have used them to prepare for some of my modifications and they have been helpful.
Thanks for the info on the 2.5g air tank, I was going to plumb one but I think I'll skip it - Lifestyle Overland said they haven't found theirs usefull either and a buddy of mine with one on his truck is taking it out as well. Perhaps you can put some spare fuel & water underneath there and get that weight off the rear bumper. I highy recommend the Hydroblu Jerry if you are looking for something portable.
Great video, guys. Always good to see people admit to things they would have done differently. As a Tacoma driver, I've found the similarities to the 4Runner quite helpful and I've been able to use your how-to's to fit out a number of things on my truck. Additionally, most of the vendors who manufacture products for the 4Runner also support the Tacoma, so I've been using your experiences to find the products that best fit our needs. Keep up the amazing work!
You might want to get an aluminum bumper from hefty fabwork. Saves about 100 lbs, put a water tank where the spare used to be and you might consider element fire Extingusher when your current ones expire. Great video btw
I am VERY happy with my BudBuilt skid plates and sliders... They have been abused and have handled everything we have thrown at it. Excellent gas tank skid and sliders.
You know; I've watched your videos since you had the FJ, then with the 4Runner, over the years, but recently I've begun to watch your video starting with this. One question, and I'm sure you have your own reasons why, is "Why haven't you gone to a separate power supply system, like a Jackery, or a Yeti to power your camping items; i.e. Refrigerator, lights, etc.
First, THANKS FOR WATCHING! For our power we wanted a complete hands-off, built in equipment that we never have to fumble with. However, we do have a portable power pack coming soon that we'll be doing some extensive testing on. STAY TUNED!
Try the DDM Tuning Sabre 50W LED Highs - they work fantastic. While it's a pain to get in there, consider changing your LED bar to amber & you might find it then has other purposes for you. I've found the amber to not only be good for dust but it's also great in heavy snow and as an added bonus, it doesn't bother others as much if you have to drive by other campers at night. I even have a buddy who can run a brow bar while driving behind me and I don't find it bothersome whereas we could never do that when it was white. Finally, as the eye ages, it does better with warmer light (not commenting on your age, but.....), both my Mom, myself and another friend have noticed the difference - it was recommended to us by an Opthamologist buddy of mine.
I have a 2020 TRD off road. I have done nothing as far as upgrades. We do 3 or 4 days worth of trips. It is our DD. I always worry about weight. So far, for us, the stock rig has done just fine. A few of your upgrades I want is the second battery, DC to DC, and inboard air. Possibly a better roof rack. Eventually I will do a level level kit and possibly a size up in tire. But for now, we love our 4 runner. Thank you for the video and pros/cons.
I wish bumper designers would look back to the 1980's. I bought a tube rear bumper for my 1981 Toyota pickup. It didn't snag on the ground or be a dirt scoop. It would easily slide along the ground.
Hey Wanderlost. I’m taking a liking to the 2022 Trail Edition 4Runner. No locker or MTS but it does have ATRAC. It saves a 75 pounds over the TRD Off-Road model and a few pennies. I’m about 90% sure that a fridge won’t be on the card for us so the cooler is great and the sliding tray is a must for a quick night in the back to level the floor and ease day to day loads. Yakima roof rack is always a good thing. How much would you miss your rear locker? I think that’s the biggest loss with that package. I see us eventually doing harder trails but certainly not right away and ARB does make a locker if that’s absolutely necessary later.
Great info and very useful as I’m just starting a 2021 4Runner build. My focus is functional needs over what’s popular, and light weight while still protecting my rig. Your videos have inspired a lot of what I have planned for my build. Thank you!!!
For the mounts on the dash for the ipad and all the gadgets. have u thought about replacing the stock head unit with and aftermarket android head unit with a large screen. I just got a 4runner about a month ago and I'm going to be installing an 11 inch android unit that I had previously installed in a 2016 camry. No longer have the camry so now it will be going into the 4runner. Big screen for maps. If android is not ur thing a custom iPad mold would be really nice on there for. That would really clean up the dash situation.
Fun video to watch. It's always nice to hear a practical take on modifications I appreciate your install videos as I've used them several times & direct people there - particularly for the diff breather
Be aware that the X-REAS suspension system can fail. The replacement cost is roughly $4000 as of 2022. My 2014 4Runner (50k miles) had one leaking strut, requiring all 4 struts and the control unit to be replaced. I looked the issue up on a couple Toyota forums and failure rates are moderate to high. If you don't have an extended warranty, most users are swapping out the expensive components for standard struts. I had the extended warranty and got the system replaced and 2 days rental for no charge. But if this concerns you, buy the extended warranty.
Nice video. You really got me thinking about the weight difference on the skid plates. I just installed an aluminum trans plate from RCI. I was about to order the engine one but now, I might just go with the steel one. Thanks for the info
Stick with aluminum, it is half the weight of the steel and it won't rust so doesn't even need to be painted. I have the Victory4x4 gas tank skid and it's 30lbs lighter than the steel version and more than tough enough. I hit and drug mine on a rock ledge and it didn't even dent. As you add more plates the weight savings becomes significant.
It's great info. Interesting about the air accumulator. The truck vs wagon a huge disccussion. People whom wanted to have RTT and roof rack for the staff is truck best solution, with wagon it's either RTT or boxes and staff. Also the famuly and dog is truck bed only solution I been there with Grand Cherokee. Tires size, maybe use one size down for the spare . Very good silution to me
255/80/17 would also be a good tire size. The same height if not a little taller than the 285/70s they have, but narrower so it'll tuck up better underneath. Also, supposedly they fit without a lift. I was so close to put in that size on my stock suspension 4Runner, but I didn't want to run a heavy E Rated Tire. Unfortunately the 255's are only available in load range E.
Great video as per usual. Bud built makes a fuel tank skid for your 4runner. I have their entire system on my 16' LC and have bashed it plenty at windrock! Bud built also lets you choose the thickness and type of material. I went with aluminum for my fuel skid.
Ha, loved the video, I know it’s a bit older but it hit home. My wife’s TRD Pro T4r empty is @5300 lbs or so, loaded down @5800? My LC200 currently is 6800 lbs. with a full tank of gas and nothing else 😳🤔
I subscribe to your channel and I've watched many of your videos. How in the world did I miss this?! Thank you very much for the frank advice and insight.
They make spare tire holder that works with your roof rack. I know the down sides, but it does take a considerable amount of weight of the back. PS: my wife and I love your videos. We have a 2014 FJ and a 1794 Tundra.
I’d like to recommend you to re-gear to 4.88, and re-map de ecu, I had the same issue on MPG due to all the accessories, and after those two mods I went back to 18 average mpg on my 2018 SR5 premium with steel bumpers, tire carrier, 12000lbs winch, 295 65 20, roof rack, lifted between 4.5 and 5 inches, with the RC 6 inch kit but 3.5 Dobinson’s front shocks and OME HD springs, and in the rear HD springs with the 6 inches shock from RC
So I noticed you have nitto rt. Tires. They make a 295-70-17. They call it a 34 inch. That's what I went with only milestar brand. I'm glad I did. It doesn't sound like much but on our FJ it made a big difference when rock crawling. However I did need a regear after I put the 34s on. 4.56 did the trick. I even got back some gas mileage. 34s are worth it to me. Thanks for all that info.
If you were to be asked a question on what you would consider a good vehicle for everyday driving, but some overlanding, mostly to visit relatives and camping at rest or KOA's what would you suggest? I'm also on a fixed income.....
Another great video. If you were to do it again do you think you would have spent more on an aluminum rear bumper to save on weight ? I know you said on the skid plates it wasn’t worth the cost but with the rear bumper and swings weighing over 230 without tire and Jerry cans etc. I’d imagine you’re closer to 350 ish. I saw one of hefty fabs and they claimed 120 with swing out
Im converting my 4Runner at the moment. I’m doing a very basic build to start and I’m sure I’ll be adding as I feel the need. I hope i will get tips from this channel so just subscribed. Thank you.
I love my dual ARB compressor runs my ARB air lockers my truck came with a factory center lock diff also I did a completely separate battery bank in the back with 200ah of service and a 100 watt solar panel I also have a rooftop tent and ARB awning I also did upgraded starting battery that's also deep cycle and a 340amp alternator because I run some serious light Baja designs all the way
We've enjoyed your videos of all the mods y'all have done. Especially the dual battery and electrical panel. Those will be very useful when we get to that part of our mods to JACK. Cheers J&C!!
@@WanderlostOverland Looking forward to your FJ dual battery install. That’s next on my list. Keep up with the great transfer of your experiences with all of us.
Super video thanks a lot will help me in my 2021 T4R Venture Build. If you have time, one regret is the location of the switches behind the sifter... Where else would you install those 6 switches.
Really enjoy you guys channel! I got a 2017 TRD Sport Tacoma myself... love it! Love you guys channel and I’ve copied a few of your upgrades with the next two being the sway links when they’re in stock and the BCDC1225 Redarc dual charger👍👍
Great video. Very informative. Question. Instead of using the exact same tire/wheel combo as a spare, could you use a lighter spare tire/wheel that is approximately the same height but skinnier to keep weight down? I know it looks nice to match what you are running but is what I stated an option? Thanks!
@@WanderlostOverland Hey Kids!!! Nice to hear from you two. Yes, have definitely tried to keep warm. As it has been in the teens to about the low 20s overnight.. But, It sounds like you guys are colder over there!!! stay warm safe, and out of trouble. PS: Congrats on the Grandson, did not know this tid bit of info.
Excellent vid. With having added a rooftop tent and awning it is time for stiffer suspension and a lift as it seems impossible to get stiffer springs without one. I am leaning towards Toytec. Have you guys also re-geared the axles with the larger tires and extra weight? If so what ratio are you running and how do you like it? Thanks. Tom
Thanks for this. Also my rooftop tent and awning is probably 225 lbs, what weight springs would you run with Toytec? No bumpers front or rear, well yet anyways. Do have fridge inside though. Thanks. Tom
LOVE the charge basket. I particularly liked Orangeboxx as it is spaced so that you can get your hand behind it to mount and dismount items & clean. I also only wanted one as I find, unlike my other truck, I can actually see out of and use the passenger side cargo window.
You guys are great. Especially when you saved yourself talking about the Tacoma! Lol. That said; 1200 pounds?!!!! OMG! You have to much "stuff". Fully outfitted I added 290 pounds of unsprung weight to my Tacoma. Then my gear, including 140 pounds for my rooftop tent is 360 pounds for a total of 790 pounds. And I'm still shaving that down a bit each trip. I've always said .... I understand why people have so much recovery gear. Because with all the "stuff" they bring their vehicle sinks through a blacktop road on a hot day! Hahaha.
Hi there loving the videos . It’s nice that your prepared for what ever happens . Hope you invested some time in a first aid course too go with those great looking kits.
Great video, I enjoyed hearing your opinions on your mods. Also enjoyed your appearance on Rich's podcast recently. My #1 regret, at least every time I approach a hill, is getting a 4Runner in the first place, lol. It's getting on my last nerve, I'll have to check out one of those Sprint boosters. For the mileage, crazy how bad these can be on fuel. I think Sub Overland gets about the same mileage with their 6.0L 3/4 ton Suburban haha. (And 37gal fuel tank in those badboys!). I just put SL load range stock sized all-terrains (General ATX) on my 13 TE and lost a solid 2 MPG. There goes my 400 mile range :( I'm also running the same skids and sliders as you, I don't really ever get a chance to off-road, but I really do love the sliders, the kick out is so convenient as a step for roof access.
@@WanderlostOverland The FJ has a smaller tank than the 4Runner, doesn't it? That must be annoying, having a relatively short-range. I love having a long-range, we once rented a Suburban and drove it from SLC to Moab, then drove it around Moab hauling our mountain bikes for almost a week before we needed to put fuel in it, haha.
@@WanderlostOverland I just introduce my wife to you guys channel. I think she's slowly coming around. We have purchase a 2020 4runner SR5. I also finish watching the Walk Around video, best step by step detail video by far. Thank you
As a 70 year old, I really appreciate your videos. While you're a long way from my age, it's still refreshing to get advice and insights from people who are careful choosing and using their equipment. I'm not knocking the younger crowd at all, but their views and perspective tend to focus on the interests of their peers while overlooking the limitations older people face. Thank you for sharing your experiences and adventures.
I think we all sometimes get sidetracked by the "bling-bling" and peer pressure. We've fallen for it time to time. But experience seams to limit the "miss-steps". Thanks for watching!
As a 50yo who has done this 20+ years, I totally agree. Also, my Mom is 77yo and I find practicality and ease of use rule the day in our choices on her T4R
How would you expect "the younger crowd" to have an appreciation for your considerations, Fred? This is a great opportunity for you to open the eyes of those who have yet to walk in our shoes.
Hey Fred - Im in my early 20s and I tend to agree with your viewpoint. Hope you are well.
Just one consideration on aluminum. While steel is definitely the way to go for rock crawling, a significant advantage of aluminum besides weight is lifetime maintenance. I tend to keep my trucks for decades and I live in the PNW so having a material that doesn't rust is a HUGE benefit for me. I find I have to repaint alot of my steel every 1-3 years.
I love your no nonsense approach to what you need and use for over landing. Considering how much experience your opinions are based on, they carry a lot of weight. This entire video (with one exception) makes my choice of the Rivian R1S a great overlanding choice. The Rivian has a built in air compressor, it has a built in 130kwh “Jackery” to run fridges and inductive cooktops. It has a ton of extra storage in the “engine compartment” and in the “gas tank” compartment. It’s insanely efficient and road comfortable. It has built in rock guards and over 15” of ground clearance with 34” AT tires. All 3 rows go complete flat, making it a great great to sleep (with climate control running all night if needed). It only has 2 downsides that I can see: 1) I can only travel within a 300 mile round trip from a charger (i.e. RV camper spot with electric hookup) and the SUV doesn’t do great in slick mud inclines due it’s weight. I’ll take the 2 limitations to have all the other pluses and be able to use it as a daily driver. Most of my destinations are for mountain biking, so getting “off the beaten path” to car camp is all I need.
The rigid light bars was a regret but saved us running out of the woods one night from a tornado. Logs into amazon and clicks buy now.
You’re kidding right? My rigid has lasted over 6 years and never burnt even a single bulb out… Amazon light bars might last you 6 months…
Thanks for the look at/walk through. Extra fridge space is just that much more room for good craft beer! I have a Viair 400 and I think I take about 20 minutes to air up all four from 18 to highway, which by the way for anyone wondering, bigger heavier tires is your worst suction of fuel mileage. From stock p rated to 265/70R 17's to 285/70R 17 E rated, I dropped 2 mpg instantly. But it does what I need so I expected that.
I agree with your comments about the mud collection in the CBI rear bumper. It's an awesome bumper but that part is maddening. I mounted the 2.5 gal air tank after seeing your video, but decided to go with the ARB dual compressor. I feel like it somewhat refills the tank just in the time between switching from tire to tire. If I'm moving quickly I would say I'm down to just running off the compressor by the last tire. I've used it on runs with friends and done 12 tires and it wasn't bad. The other thing I liked about the ARB compressor is it just runs until setpoint and shuts off, you don't need the pressure switch in the tank feeding back to the relay and all of that. You really only need power and a wire to your switch as far as electrical. Your videos are always helpful, even if I decide to do things a little differently!
Would be awesome if you could put links to the recommended products in the description. Thanks for sharing your real world experiences.
Thanks for sharing your experience guys - we don’t have the 4Runner anymore in South Australia but now have the ute-based Toyota Fortuner, Ford Everest, Mitsubishi Pajero Sport and Isuzu Imux - I had Subarus for many years but now building up a 2010 Hilux Auto Diesel with Aluminium Tray and free standing Aluminium canopy - I went for the ute (Utility) so I have use of the Aluminium Tray for gardening and other domestic tasks and simply lower the canopy on to it - good to see you using our Adelaide built reliable Redarc system 👍🏻 - yes important to manage your rear weight for lowest centre of gravity and prevent your front wheels from lifting - safe travels John in SA
Great to see the care and thought you are giving to isolating your house power from starting and the choice to make an extensible and maintainable bus system for accessories. I'm a long time sailboat owner and that's how a boat would be wired to spec. I bought a '22 4Runner and was researching how people wire a winch into the 4R. I was shocked to learn that it is industry practice to wire directly to the battery without fuse/breaker or disconnect. That's totally unacceptable in the marine world! People would be wise to model your choices, offroad is not a lot different than offshore if you value self-reliance.
I bought RSG DOM 90 degree sliders after watching the slider install. Rear kickout is perfect for kids to enter and exit the back seats. Amazing Quality.
I want them too. I despise those Predator bars as they tend to catch people in the shins and scrape them up. It's happened a dozen times already.
Thanks for sharing your experiences from the build. There’s nothing like reviews based on real life, battle testing of the gear. I have a 2018 4Runner, and I’ve only added a Hefty Fabworks aluminum bumper (60 lbs extra weight, and as strong as steel at 1/3 of the weight), winch (another 50-ish lbs), roof rack, aluminum skid plates, and a few other items. I have an order in for a Hefty Fabworks rear aluminum bumper, and that will add a little more weight, but less than a steel bumper. I keep most of my gear in a trailer, that weighs about 2,400 lbs fully loaded. Interestingly, the added accessories and even towing the trailer doesn’t seem to affect the fuel consumption much. Maybe by about 1 mpg, which I find acceptable.
I have this same 4Runner 2020.
I use it for hunting, fishing, hiking in the Rockies.
Love it!
Thank you folks - you honestly and frankness is appreciated -stay safe and stay adventurous. Oh one thing, is there a list of places and trails that you two have been, enjoyed or recommend for 4x4 camping adventures? Thanks again you two
Good Morning! My wife and I just bought a 2021 4Runner and we can't be more excited. I love your video and i am now a new subscriber. Thank you for sharing!!
Awesome! Thank you!
Still driving my 04 SR5 every day, no need to upgrade to a more current model. I’m fine and happy.
I would say the same about my '00 Highlaner/Sport trim, but Minnesota winters and 273k miles haven't been kind to it (rust). I test drove a '21 yesterday and it was nice, and just a slow as my 3.4l! 😁
Just wanted to let you guys know your videos helped me with a couple of things. 1) the bumper install video solidified my choice to get one of similar design and winch. 2) make reservations to White Rim campsites! (reservations open up this week).
Great to hear!
Yea I had a 4 runner great vehicle moved up to a tundra I just love the power of the v8 it's such a bullet prove engine. Downside in too wide for some of the trails. I learned that from the shafer trail in canyonland. Talk about bare knuckle driving
This was one of my favorite videos you guys have made. I really appreciate the likes and dislikes from your build because I am just now beginning to outfit my 4runner. Thank you for all of the great information and how to videos 👍👍👍
Awesome! Thank you!
Having the light bar that ONE time you needed it to “escape a tornado” makes it worth it to me 😎
Wire the front bumper lightbar to your brights. That’s what I do. That way you can just flip them on with the left stalk. You’ll love it.
I just bought a brand new a Tacoma trd offroad and I have to agree, the bed is tiny and not that functional stock, fortunately it does have many bed-rack options. My biggest complaint is I get 15mpg completely bone stock. To hear your getting 15mpg with 33's and all that extra weight is slightly frustrating to hear because I slightly regret not going with a 4runner build. I have 2.5 King suspension and 33's coming along with steel bumpers and skid plates, I hope it doesn't make my fuel consumption much worse. I should add that it is a manual Tacoma which I didn't know at the time of purchase is the worst of the bunch for fuel economy. You live and you learn! Thanks for video I actually took in a lot of good information!
Thanks for watching Chris! WOW 15mpg stock! But, it's all about smiles per gallon!
I always love watching the two of you and hopefully run into you on the trail....well, not literally. I have a 2017 TRD 4Runner Off Road and have yet to get it out there. Thank you for the mention about the air tank you installed. I was thinking of doing this exact thing. You have saved me much time and money. My design on building the rear drawer system is real close to what you have designed. I can see yours in how it works.
That is great to hear!!!
4.0 engine and 5 speed transmission is bulletproof
Great video. For those considering 4Runner mods, your perspectives based on your experiences are very valuable. Thanks!
Glad you like them!
I appreciate you sharing all the work you’ve done and your honest opinions. Based in part on your UA-cam channel I purchased a new 2019 4Runner Off Road. So far the only modifications have been the same skid plates you installed and replacing lights with LEDs. As time, and money, afford I’ll be doing more work. Thank you.
Thank you Dana for watching!
I really enjoyed the candid review. I think we all have things we like and things we would have done differently on our builds. Good stuff. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
One of my fave 4WD channels.
Wow, thanks!
My 4Runner is as built as yours but I have a lot of the same feelings. I have a similar bumper set up and love the look, but in reality I don’t use it well. I really only got it because I got rear ended and insurance paid a chunk of it. Take a look at the C4 fabrication fuel tank skid. Solid design. I got it after my factory skid took damage like yours after a trip to Moab.
Thanks for the videos. I have used them to prepare for some of my modifications and they have been helpful.
Thank you to the both of you. You have helped me in my 2021 Venture build. Saved me from making a ton of mistakes :-)
Great to hear!
Thanks for the info on the 2.5g air tank, I was going to plumb one but I think I'll skip it - Lifestyle Overland said they haven't found theirs usefull either and a buddy of mine with one on his truck is taking it out as well. Perhaps you can put some spare fuel & water underneath there and get that weight off the rear bumper. I highy recommend the Hydroblu Jerry if you are looking for something portable.
Rago fab has a center console i put in my 4runner mounts everything low its Awesome i also have their rear shelf which i love
Great video, guys. Always good to see people admit to things they would have done differently. As a Tacoma driver, I've found the similarities to the 4Runner quite helpful and I've been able to use your how-to's to fit out a number of things on my truck. Additionally, most of the vendors who manufacture products for the 4Runner also support the Tacoma, so I've been using your experiences to find the products that best fit our needs. Keep up the amazing work!
Thanks Patrick!!!
Im torn Between CBI Fab Full Steel Skids Or Victory 4x4 Full skids for my 4th gen
I think Mark turned about same color as 4runner when he caught himself getting ready to critique tacomas!! Haha
Sometimes I head down a path I probably shouldn't go. Thankfully Merri is there to redirect me!
That's the alcohol.
I noticed that too and actually replayed it just to make sure I wasn't imagining that. It's all a matter of what fits for what you want or need.
you mean Barcelona Red ?
Really like your setup! I just used your anytime backup camera tutorial yesterday to install mine.
Glad we could help!
a nice list of all the upgrades with links would be nice. Love the idea you guys have for powering the fridge.
You might want to get an aluminum bumper from hefty fabwork. Saves about 100 lbs, put a water tank where the spare used to be and you might consider element fire Extingusher when your current ones expire. Great video btw
Thanks for the tips!
I am VERY happy with my BudBuilt skid plates and sliders... They have been abused and have handled everything we have thrown at it. Excellent gas tank skid and sliders.
I'll take a closer look at their tank skid, thanks!
It's almost like you were speaking right to my ears! Thank You!!
Glad it was helpful!
Great info! What storage box will you go with?
You know; I've watched your videos since you had the FJ, then with the 4Runner, over the years, but recently I've begun to watch your video starting with this. One question, and I'm sure you have your own reasons why, is "Why haven't you gone to a separate power supply system, like a Jackery, or a Yeti to power your camping items; i.e. Refrigerator, lights, etc.
First, THANKS FOR WATCHING! For our power we wanted a complete hands-off, built in equipment that we never have to fumble with. However, we do have a portable power pack coming soon that we'll be doing some extensive testing on. STAY TUNED!
Great point about the skid plates and COG
Try the DDM Tuning Sabre 50W LED Highs - they work fantastic. While it's a pain to get in there, consider changing your LED bar to amber & you might find it then has other purposes for you. I've found the amber to not only be good for dust but it's also great in heavy snow and as an added bonus, it doesn't bother others as much if you have to drive by other campers at night. I even have a buddy who can run a brow bar while driving behind me and I don't find it bothersome whereas we could never do that when it was white. Finally, as the eye ages, it does better with warmer light (not commenting on your age, but.....), both my Mom, myself and another friend have noticed the difference - it was recommended to us by an Opthamologist buddy of mine.
I have a 2020 TRD off road. I have done nothing as far as upgrades. We do 3 or 4 days worth of trips. It is our DD. I always worry about weight. So far, for us, the stock rig has done just fine. A few of your upgrades I want is the second battery, DC to DC, and inboard air. Possibly a better roof rack. Eventually I will do a level level kit and possibly a size up in tire. But for now, we love our 4 runner.
Thank you for the video and pros/cons.
I think you have a good solid plan there. The more you change a Toyota, the less reliable it becomes.
@@WanderlostOverland so far it has done everything we have asked it to (I have not had to use the locker yet, dang it lol)
You can use a rv back up cam system that can show fir cam, comes with the screen, and you can full screen to one.
Great video Supwr informative
I wish bumper designers would look back to the 1980's. I bought a tube rear bumper for my 1981 Toyota pickup. It didn't snag on the ground or be a dirt scoop. It would easily slide along the ground.
Hey Wanderlost. I’m taking a liking to the 2022 Trail Edition 4Runner. No locker or MTS but it does have ATRAC. It saves a 75 pounds over the TRD Off-Road model and a few pennies. I’m about 90% sure that a fridge won’t be on the card for us so the cooler is great and the sliding tray is a must for a quick night in the back to level the floor and ease day to day loads. Yakima roof rack is always a good thing. How much would you miss your rear locker? I think that’s the biggest loss with that package. I see us eventually doing harder trails but certainly not right away and ARB does make a locker if that’s absolutely necessary later.
Frankly, we seldom use the rear locker. ATRAC does a wonderful job getting us through 95%.
Great info and very useful as I’m just starting a 2021 4Runner build. My focus is functional needs over what’s popular, and light weight while still protecting my rig. Your videos have inspired a lot of what I have planned for my build. Thank you!!!
Glad it was helpful!
thanks for your video. I have a '00 Sunfire red Runner and you guys inspire me to go out on road trip cross country.
That is awesome!
For the mounts on the dash for the ipad and all the gadgets. have u thought about replacing the stock head unit with and aftermarket android head unit with a large screen. I just got a 4runner about a month ago and I'm going to be installing an 11 inch android unit that I had previously installed in a 2016 camry. No longer have the camry so now it will be going into the 4runner. Big screen for maps. If android is not ur thing a custom iPad mold would be really nice on there for. That would really clean up the dash situation.
Fun video to watch. It's always nice to hear a practical take on modifications I appreciate your install videos as I've used them several times & direct people there - particularly for the diff breather
Thanks 👍
Be aware that the X-REAS suspension system can fail. The replacement cost is roughly $4000 as of 2022. My 2014 4Runner (50k miles) had one leaking strut, requiring all 4 struts and the control unit to be replaced. I looked the issue up on a couple Toyota forums and failure rates are moderate to high. If you don't have an extended warranty, most users are swapping out the expensive components for standard struts. I had the extended warranty and got the system replaced and 2 days rental for no charge. But if this concerns you, buy the extended warranty.
You should get the front LED bar tinted yellow so youre able to use it more often
Nice video. You really got me thinking about the weight difference on the skid plates. I just installed an aluminum trans plate from RCI. I was about to order the engine one but now, I might just go with the steel one. Thanks for the info
Stick with aluminum, it is half the weight of the steel and it won't rust so doesn't even need to be painted. I have the Victory4x4 gas tank skid and it's 30lbs lighter than the steel version and more than tough enough. I hit and drug mine on a rock ledge and it didn't even dent. As you add more plates the weight savings becomes significant.
It's great info. Interesting about the air accumulator. The truck vs wagon a huge disccussion. People whom wanted to have RTT and roof rack for the staff is truck best solution, with wagon it's either RTT or boxes and staff. Also the famuly and dog is truck bed only solution I been there with Grand Cherokee.
Tires size, maybe use one size down for the spare . Very good silution to me
255/80/17 would also be a good tire size. The same height if not a little taller than the 285/70s they have, but narrower so it'll tuck up better underneath.
Also, supposedly they fit without a lift. I was so close to put in that size on my stock suspension 4Runner, but I didn't want to run a heavy E Rated Tire. Unfortunately the 255's are only available in load range E.
Love the forerunner looks great, thanks for the video!
Glad you like it!
@@WanderlostOverland I see you're still sporting the covid haircut! LOL
@@williamkennedy2069 it’s shorter now. 😁
Hey thanks for explaining all of the options that Yall have done ! Thanks for sharing 👍
Our pleasure!
Great video as per usual. Bud built makes a fuel tank skid for your 4runner. I have their entire system on my 16' LC and have bashed it plenty at windrock! Bud built also lets you choose the thickness and type of material. I went with aluminum for my fuel skid.
Thanks for the info!
Ha, loved the video, I know it’s a bit older but it hit home. My wife’s TRD Pro T4r empty is @5300 lbs or so, loaded down @5800? My LC200 currently is 6800 lbs. with a full tank of gas and nothing else 😳🤔
I subscribe to your channel and I've watched many of your videos. How in the world did I miss this?! Thank you very much for the frank advice and insight.
You're very welcome. And thanks for watching!
They make spare tire holder that works with your roof rack. I know the down sides, but it does take a considerable amount of weight of the back.
PS: my wife and I love your videos. We have a 2014 FJ and a 1794 Tundra.
We considered that as an option early on but decided it wasn't practical for our application. Thanks for watching!
Great video guys! Thanks for the info. Hope to see you on the Cindy and Jacqueline great adventure in May!
Fingers crossed!
I’d like to recommend you to re-gear to 4.88, and re-map de ecu, I had the same issue on MPG due to all the accessories, and after those two mods I went back to 18 average mpg on my 2018 SR5 premium with steel bumpers, tire carrier, 12000lbs winch, 295 65 20, roof rack, lifted between 4.5 and 5 inches, with the RC 6 inch kit but 3.5 Dobinson’s front shocks and OME HD springs, and in the rear HD springs with the 6 inches shock from RC
Thanks for sharing.
So I noticed you have nitto rt. Tires. They make a 295-70-17. They call it a 34 inch. That's what I went with only milestar brand. I'm glad I did. It doesn't sound like much but on our FJ it made a big difference when rock crawling. However I did need a regear after I put the 34s on. 4.56 did the trick. I even got back some gas mileage. 34s are worth it to me. Thanks for all that info.
Thanks for watching Steve!
This is fantastic. I really enjoy watching you guys and this sort of honest feedback is super helpful!
Glad you enjoyed it!
If you were to be asked a question on what you would consider a good vehicle for everyday driving, but some overlanding, mostly to visit relatives and camping at rest or KOA's what would you suggest? I'm also on a fixed income.....
military battery terminals are what you need to clean up battery connections.
Yup! It's amazing how quickly the add-on connections get out of hand.
@@WanderlostOverland Amazon has many options, many appear superior to the military verison. KnuKonceptz are one of the fanciest.
Just traded my built Overland Gladiator for 4Runner liked the JT but this is going to work better
How thick is the steel for the skid plate? Great stuff!!!
Another great video. If you were to do it again do you think you would have spent more on an aluminum rear bumper to save on weight ? I know you said on the skid plates it wasn’t worth the cost but with the rear bumper and swings weighing over 230 without tire and Jerry cans etc. I’d imagine you’re closer to 350 ish. I saw one of hefty fabs and they claimed 120 with swing out
Possibly! It would all depend on how they engineered the pivot points for the swing-outs. There's a lot of weight hanging out there when they're open.
Miss you guys having adventure videos. Hopefully you travel a little more. Good luck
Us too!
Im converting my 4Runner at the moment. I’m doing a very basic build to start and I’m sure I’ll be adding as I feel the need. I hope i will get tips from this channel so just subscribed. Thank you.
Thanks! We will do our best to make you not regret subscribing. :)
I love my dual ARB compressor runs my ARB air lockers my truck came with a factory center lock diff also I did a completely separate battery bank in the back with 200ah of service and a 100 watt solar panel I also have a rooftop tent and ARB awning I also did upgraded starting battery that's also deep cycle and a 340amp alternator because I run some serious light Baja designs all the way
Which foward facing camera did you purchase? If you are happy with the quality, may i get a link to it please?
Did you guys do an in-depth video on how you mounted the propane cylinder? If not I think you should.
We've been asked about it countless times. I think you're right, a video needs to be made.
We've enjoyed your videos of all the mods y'all have done. Especially the dual battery and electrical panel. Those will be very useful when we get to that part of our mods to JACK. Cheers J&C!!
Thanks 👍 We're setting up a plan to do another dual battery system, for the FJ this time. This one we're going to try to keep as simple as possible.
@@WanderlostOverland Looking forward to your FJ dual battery install. That’s next on my list. Keep up with the great transfer of your experiences with all of us.
Ooh! I want to see the dead cow on the roof rack!!
Super video thanks a lot will help me in my 2021 T4R Venture Build. If you have time, one regret is the location of the switches behind the sifter... Where else would you install those 6 switches.
Thanks for watching! I think we would have placed them overhead or maybe made a spot to the left of the steeringwheel.
Amazed you get 15mpg. I get 13 if I’m lucky. With a lot less weight on my 21
I know this is 2 years old, do you still think that the Snowmaster is the best cooler?
My research shows it's favored
Really enjoy you guys channel! I got a 2017 TRD Sport Tacoma myself... love it! Love you guys channel and I’ve copied a few of your upgrades with the next two being the sway links when they’re in stock and the BCDC1225 Redarc dual charger👍👍
Awesome! Thank you!
Congratulations on the grandson, you two!!!
Thank you so much 😀
Great video. Very informative. Question. Instead of using the exact same tire/wheel combo as a spare, could you use a lighter spare tire/wheel that is approximately the same height but skinnier to keep weight down? I know it looks nice to match what you are running but is what I stated an option? Thanks!
I suppose you could.
If you aren't improving, you aren't learning.
PS: Great Video/Idea.. Enjoyed it!!
Hey Kiss Kiss, how are you? Staying warm? It’s soooo cold here in Illinois right now. 🥶 Thanks for watching
@@WanderlostOverland Hey Kids!!! Nice to hear from you two. Yes, have definitely tried to keep warm. As it has been in the teens to about the low 20s overnight..
But, It sounds like you guys are colder over there!!! stay warm safe, and out of trouble.
PS: Congrats on the Grandson, did not know this tid bit of info.
Excellent vid. With having added a rooftop tent and awning it is time for stiffer suspension and a lift as it seems impossible to get stiffer springs without one. I am leaning towards Toytec. Have you guys also re-geared the axles with the larger tires and extra weight? If so what ratio are you running and how do you like it? Thanks. Tom
The 285/70/17 tire we're running doesn't need a regear. when we go bigger we will.
Thanks for this. Also my rooftop tent and awning is probably 225 lbs, what weight springs would you run with Toytec? No bumpers front or rear, well yet anyways. Do have fridge inside though. Thanks. Tom
Where did you get it built?
LOVE the charge basket. I particularly liked Orangeboxx as it is spaced so that you can get your hand behind it to mount and dismount items & clean. I also only wanted one as I find, unlike my other truck, I can actually see out of and use the passenger side cargo window.
You guys are great. Especially when you saved yourself talking about the Tacoma! Lol.
That said; 1200 pounds?!!!! OMG! You have to much "stuff". Fully outfitted I added 290 pounds of unsprung weight to my Tacoma. Then my gear, including 140 pounds for my rooftop tent is 360 pounds for a total of 790 pounds. And I'm still shaving that down a bit each trip.
I've always said .... I understand why people have so much recovery gear. Because with all the "stuff" they bring their vehicle sinks through a blacktop road on a hot day! Hahaha.
Your next install should be a Long Range America 24 gallon auxiliary gas tank... Safe travels and health...
Been thinking about it. Thanks for watching.
Hi there loving the videos . It’s nice that your prepared for what ever happens . Hope you invested some time in a first aid course too go with those great looking kits.
Thanks for watching Mike! Yes, we both have extensive training in first-aid.
Great video, I enjoyed hearing your opinions on your mods. Also enjoyed your appearance on Rich's podcast recently.
My #1 regret, at least every time I approach a hill, is getting a 4Runner in the first place, lol. It's getting on my last nerve, I'll have to check out one of those Sprint boosters.
For the mileage, crazy how bad these can be on fuel. I think Sub Overland gets about the same mileage with their 6.0L 3/4 ton Suburban haha. (And 37gal fuel tank in those badboys!).
I just put SL load range stock sized all-terrains (General ATX) on my 13 TE and lost a solid 2 MPG. There goes my 400 mile range :(
I'm also running the same skids and sliders as you, I don't really ever get a chance to off-road, but I really do love the sliders, the kick out is so convenient as a step for roof access.
Thanks for watching! You think the 4Runner gets bad mileage. Our FJ, with stuff on the roof, gets about 14mpg highway.
@@WanderlostOverland The FJ has a smaller tank than the 4Runner, doesn't it? That must be annoying, having a relatively short-range. I love having a long-range, we once rented a Suburban and drove it from SLC to Moab, then drove it around Moab hauling our mountain bikes for almost a week before we needed to put fuel in it, haha.
100% duty cycle or bust, it's why I went with the arb twin
I am 5 8 and yes you are taller a tacoma would be bad for you. I am doing ok and my wife at 5 foot is doing great. Like your shows. Have a good day.
Thanks 👍
Upgrading your lights to LED will make you think your light bar is on. I put LED into both low and high beam. Wish i did it right away.
How do you guys maintain the paint on it ?
It's beautiful.
From far away it looks nice. Up close you'll see ALL the scratches and dents. LOL
@@WanderlostOverland I just introduce my wife to you guys channel. I think she's slowly coming around. We have purchase a 2020 4runner SR5. I also finish watching the Walk Around video, best step by step detail video by far. Thank you
Very useful info.thanks !
did you have to do any upgrades to the alternator after getting the dual battery setup?
Nope
Would absolutely enjoy meeting the both of you and leaving my 11 runner with you two for…. Two months and a load of cash.
Thanks for the vid! Quick question: With all the extra weight e.g. steel bumpers, bigger tires, etc, did you regear or plan to regear?
With the size tires we're running right now we don't feel a need to regear. If we went any taller we'd definitely want to.