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Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon, T480 and T480s: Which to Buy?
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- Опубліковано 17 сер 2024
- Lisa Gade compares Lenovo’s three 14” ThinkPad business Ultrabooks: the ThinkPad X1 Carbon 6th Gen, ThinkPad T480 and ThinkPad T480s. There’s quite a bit of overlap, so it can be hard to decide which is the right laptop for your needs. Lisa goes over pricing, build, display, keyboard, graphics, battery life, CPU, RAM, drives and more.
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon 6th gen review: • Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Car...
Lenovo ThinkPad T480 review: • Lenovo ThinkPad T480 R...
Lenovo ThinkPad T480s review: • Lenovo ThinkPad T480s ...
Watching in August 2023 & thinking about getting T480.
Have you bought one?
I just got one.
@@NateBhow is it so far? What specs does your have?
Brokie
@@ivivom maybe it is T480??? He said he just bought one so...
I never buy any tech before checking your reviews first. 😀😀
Yeah, but not for super users. She didn't do enough research to mention that MX150 in T480s is up to 20 % slower than in T480.
hard to pitch at the right level though..
@@shipper66 whtas cards in t480/??
What's interesting is that four years later the T480 is the model that seems to be most desirable. It has all the features the many Thiunkpad fans look for. Arguably it was the "last great thinkpad" (until the next last great thinkpad).
That's exactly what everyone says.
He he, recently got one for a good price.
@@carldrogo9492 i mean it is truly the last great thinkpad... until maybe the new T14 gen5 takes that title 2 or so years from now once they trickle down to enthusiasts for cheap. They went back to fully upgradable 2 DIMM slots for the ram and a battery that while internal, no longer is a "warranty void if removed" part. Wifi card still soldered, at least defo on intel tho afaik. Although it can be configured with wifi 7 support so should be more than future proof.
This is a terrific review, head and shoulders above all the rest I've seen, while shopping for a new Thinkpad. Lisa Gade is truly talented in being able to stick to what is relevant. Guess what? I'm upgrading to a T480s or X1 Carbon 6th gen from a...T60.
Yup, I've had my laptop for 13 years.
What did you go with
Her review of the P1 convinced me to consider it over the X1 Extreme.
Wow. 13 year is amazing!
id go with the carbon
Yes they last that long!
In hindsight, the T480 may be the last great T-4xx thinkpad.
T490 was a massive flop with feature killing.
I love Lisa. She is fantastic, but I'm worried she may collapse from lack of oxygen during a video. I wish her script writer would insert a new punctuation marks now and again - just to give the poor girl pause for breath sometimes.
I think she has a script but most of the time speaks her mind only.
That's her style
She probably writes her scripts on her own.
THANK YOU. Someone else who picks up on this. It's a really jarring style of talking, very hard for me to listen to
I love her reviews as well, very professional and she is an expert in the field!
One thing I don't understand is how everyone wants a super slim and ultralight laptop?!? I like my laptop to have some weight and thickness to it (just like other things in my life ;-). I use the T480 and love it. The 480s or the Carbon seem way too light and frail to me to use. I wouldn't call myself a "manly man either" 1:47. I just don't get this trend. I remember as a kid using a Toshiba EGA laptop that was about 2.5" thick so the T480 is plenty thin for me.
Lisa I always find myself returning to your channel because of the great quality and thoroughness of your reviews. You're the queen of youtube tech, Keep up the great work!
I really enjoy your videos. I'm happy I found you a few weeks ago. I'd just like to throw this out there ... when showing laptops side by side, I think it'd be nicer to see the same images on all the laptops at the same time instead of showing all the laptops with different images being displayed. To me, I think it'd be easier to see the differences in the displays.
Keep up the great work!
I'm precisely struggling to choose between models you presented. Thanks a lot for your accuracy and the way you exposed pros and cons and finally showed off the decision points !
Great video! I've gone with the T4x0s series since the T440s with my company since it came out and now we're using the T480s, which is the perfect balance between weight, thickness, power, and expandability. But it turns out with our new India users they can only get the T480 locally, so this helped me feel better about that situation.
nope we can get d t480s if we want from lenovo website
as a consumer, i bought a 4 year old T480 instead of the T480s. i love it. i specifically wanted the expandable battery and upgradeable RAM. the 2.5" bay was a bonus since i had one laying around
@@mrengler1 T480 can use only m.2 SATA or m.2 NVME too?
Great comparison, the T480 or T480s sound like the ones for me.
The materials are different and a major differentiator between those models, in fact. The T480 is the most affordable and thus uses the cheapest materials: Glas Fiber Plastic with a Magnesium Structure Frame in the base. Its palmrest is also rough, uncoated plastic, which feels cheaper.
The T480s is slightly more expensive. This makes a big difference in materials, as it has a base unit that is completely made out of Magnesium, while the display-cover ist Carbon fiber. Even more expensive is the X1 Carbon, which uses similar materials, though they are not completely identical. The X1 Carbon is also all-around coated with a rubbery coating.
Yes! Actually, we can find all these material specifications by typing for example 'Thinkpad t480 platform specifications' on google. I like the fact that Thinkpad T480, T480S, and X1 still keep a Magnesium frame inside the chassis which is a great structure to absorb any strong and sudden shock and strike etc. This Magnesium frame, which hold the motherboard and Hard Drive on it, is actually with 9% aluminum added, making it stronger. This Magnesium alloy's material label is AZ91D, which you can find on the frame. By the way, T480s has a bottom (cover+palmrest) made of AZ91D material while T480's bottom is AZ91D and plastic hybrid.
For other mainstream and high-end business laptops that use 8th CPU, the Dell latitude 7490 and HP EliteBook 840 G5, I didn't find they are using this inner Magnesium skeleton inside the chassis. They just use this Magnesium alloy for the bottom cover.
I don't know much about HP, but for Dell latitude 7490, it uses carbon fiber reinforced polycarbonate (PC-CF50, means that with 50% carbon fiber added), for the display lid and palmrest, which is very good! Polycarbonate or PC is just like Magnesium alloy, it has good ability to absorb sudden and strong shock and strike (say, your laptop dropped on the hard ground or a heavy item hits on the chassis). But PC is very vulnerable to a crack, and the drawback of Magnesium alloy is that it's too brittle. If you have a Magnesium alloy thin board on your hand and you bend it a bit hard, it easily gets broken. (Actually, a Chinese dude, who's a Thinkpad fan, I watched his video. He tested all these materials toughness by twisting them. Magnesium and PC get broken easily but PC+ABS material and carbon fiber reinforced plastic is much hard to break by twisting)
For carbon fiber, which for now I saw it mostly used in Dell's Ltittude 5000 and 7000 series, once added, and if the percentage is high enough (ThinkPad X1 display lid adds 70% Carbon fiber with glass fiber), you can bend it, but it won't break! So, it will be tougher. But the drawback is that this carbon fiber reinforced PC is a bit soft (50% carbon fiber added), so Dell uses a Magnesium alloy base cover for its latitude 7490, making the whole system 'harder' rather than a soft but tough body.
By the way, I think the Lattitude 5000 series is also a good one. The display lid and the base cover use 20% carbon fiber added PC, with some mineral fiber added as well; and the body is pure PC with 25% mineral fiber, very strong and hard, like alloy. So, I think Thinkpad T480 is just like the mammal, which has inner skeleton inside, but Latitude 5000 is like a turtle, which has a skeleton outside.
So, I'd like to use a metaphor, that that hybrid plastic is just like human muscle and skin and Magnesium is more like our skeleton. Carbon fiber added material is like you are wearing Batman's battle suit, makes you much more versatile and stronger hahaha :p
most affordable? in aus the t480 is $1600aud base price with the shitty screen
@@wendyhuang1134And how is the situation Down Under 4 years down the road?
What do you mean by “shitty screen”?
I began looking into buying a Thinkpad, quite some ppl recommended the T480.
@@zizlog_sound In Malaysia the X1C G6 i5-8350u with 16GB RAM can be had for US$250. It's actually cheaper than the T480 & T480s in some shops. I just wish the RAM wasn't soldered on...
This was exactly the review I was looking for, thank you!
MX150 in T480 is the 25W regular variant while in T480s, it uses low power MX150 8-10W
Always enjoy your breakdowns. Thank you so much for taking the time to review these laptops.
I need one of these for work. My understanding is that the T480 has a single heatpipe without the dGPU. But you only get 2X PCIE lanes for the SSD with the dGPU. With the T480S you get dual heatpipes even without a dGPU, and 4X PCIE lanes without the Geforce. If this wasn't true, I'd get the T480 for the battery life and 32GB RAM capacity. As it stands though, needing the best thermals for CPU performance and storage performance, I have to go with the 480S.
Love this channel, always the most comprehensive and in depth reviews.
Thank you ! Cause I can't find a shop which provide these three laptop to review, but I found a review here to solve my problem !
Lisa you are a fantastic find on which computer to use. Love your work.
I have used T430 for 12 years now thinking about buying T14 Gen2.
Thanks for reviewing Thinkpads once and once again. I am a long time Thinkpad user (not the fan kind) and your opinion is always my guide!
Thank you! That was exactly (!) what I was looking for. Much appreciated!
Thinkpad are the best laptops I've ever used, prefer expandable non-soldered -- carbon keyboard is very, very good yet not as deep as T series, Yoga too shallow. Ty for this review!
I love these videos. You're so knowledgable and give a great, objective review.
I am still using my T420s today. Thinkpad is the most durable laptop ever.
SiuHong Yu my T400 is working well too.
I' m writing by my T410s...
T480s Display is better then T480 is it true.....?
This is a God sent video! Thanks Lisa. I had extremely hard time choosing between them. But now it's all clear! Thanks
Thanks for yet another awesome review! I love all your TP reviews.
Very helpful, thank you ✌🏿
awesome review. t480 with 48gb of max ram for development is no brainer.
You are a gem! First and last place for thinkpad reviews.
Lisa, great review as always. But I noticed you showed measurements for the back of the machines but not the front. This is a little misleading as it shows the T480 and T480s being close to each other and noticeably thicker than the X1. But the T480s tapers in the front to a much thinner width, unlike the T480, making it closer to the X1.
Great review, Lisa! Gave me all the info I needed to make a decision on what to tell a new company to order me!
Yeah, what dis you get?
@@emmettjohnson142 Ha! As I was ordering the T480, I found out 95% of the company used Macbooks, so I went the Apple route.
@@DrewJMcGee cool
Great content! I have to purchase 5 laptops this month and this helped me decide
You nailed it with this comparison!
Gotta listen fast! Great review Lisa.
Seems like t480 can extend it's service life far more than the othe two.
Processor speed will be the issue
Finally (compared to other youtubers) a very informative and useful video. Thanks
I chose the T480 - and also purchased the highest capacity battery to take with me to work. An absolute no brainer and whoever at Lenovo thought that it was a good move to discontinue the Powerbridge feature, ought to be shot.
I m very poor.I wanna learn Freelancing but i have no laptop..Please Please Please Give me this Laptop as a gift. I can,t afford it.I can pay only 100$.Please Pleas have any Rich person here,Just. give me a favour.
Great video, LIsa. Love all this Thinkpad coverage. I'm a T470 user and I love it. Super portable, fully functional.
I love this comparison video! I'm thinking about picking my first Thinkpad by Lenovo after years of Apple laptops.
MrPanzerDragoon
My thinking also after a few decades of MACs. Rather than go Mac for my son’s first computer, here looking and thinking T480s for him, and see how that works out, then something for me.
Please don't retire until after I do. You are the best! I loved the roundup.
It had been nice with a comparison between the Thinkpad Yoga models X1, X380 and L380.
Hvilken Thinkpad har du da? :-)
Carsten Søreide Jeg er i markedet og tenker på å kjøpe. Jeg trenger laptop, men vet ikke helt hva som er rett for meg. det er stort spenn i pris og kvalitet. Jeg har en gammel, treg , klumpete laptop som har sett sine beste dager. Jeg vil ha noe som både er lett og robust. Og slik jeg ser, så er thinkpad serien et godt sted å lete.
Exact;y what I needed, thanks Lisa!
Excellent video. All three laptops are good performers.
great as usual, i am going to buy T480s
Is it good display.....??
As far as I can tell the MX150 in the T480s is around 20% slower than the one built into the T480. Would have been nice to mention that.
it's a NVIDIA MX150, did you really experience or you think it cause slower performance compared to built-in Intel grafics ?
I think he meant the MX150 on the T480s is slower than the MX150 on the T480
@@gururaj6 no, t480s has a mx150 max q
both models only have 2X PCIE for storage if you have the dGPU, which is a bummer. T480S does have the 15W TDP MX150 that is worse yet. I'd avoid the T480S with dGPU at all costs.
I need one of these myself, I'm going with the T480S for dual heatpipes with 4X PCIE NVME, no dGPU. It's the only way to get 4X PCIE storage AFAIK.
Always a great video and one of the best buyers guide resources on the internet! Saving me from buyer's regret one video at a time!
I been seeing your videos since long. You review and present a product in lot of details and simplicity.. 👍
Just one request, many a times we see your videos directly on phone without headphone. Request you to kindly upgrade your mic, so that voice is louder. If you can.. It would be great 👍
Very usefull video, thanks !
watching on t480 because i realy wanted the MX150 graphics
Awesome review!
Hi Lisa. I just love your reviews. You share a lot of relevant information. Though I looked, i didn't see anty reviews on the Lenovo T580. Do you plan on having one anytime soon or can I assume that what you said about the T480 also applies to the T580?
I already bought a MacBook Pro 4 months ago
but it's still much joyful to watch your Reviews !
Thanks for saving me time googling the spec difference of these
can you run virtual machines well on the t480?
So, I watched this video about 4-5 times (together with all your other individual videos on each of these machines) looking into all minute details before I ordered my Carbon X1 6th gen. I did make a mistake anyways even while being as careful as possible. Namely, I really wanted WWAN option (LTE) and while it was *not* available during the ordering process, I *wrongly* assumed (as there is a spot inside the machine for the expansion card and built in SIM card slot) that I could upgrade later. Alas, that is NOT the case IF you choose the best HDR display option. This one does NOT come with integrated antennas for LTE and thus cannot be expanded. You must choose the lower quality display if you want the LTE antenna integrated (but even then, unless you configure it with WWAN module during order process (which is now available)) you may or may not actually get the antenna. Reports on-line are hap-hazard. Some have the antenna, some do not.
If you get the 480s - you can choose to get it with WWAN preparation (i.e. antenna installed). The 480 has no WWAN option (that'd be another diff between 480 and 480s).
Hope this helps someone. While I love the HDR display - I kind of really wish I had WWAN. I will test a little solution though. I'll buy the WWAN card, and connect it to antennas for the WIFI. If that works, I'll just buy an external USB WiFi dongle and live with that :)
Well, it seems that since a few days ago - one can now get HDR w/ WWAN ... it is amazing how often they change these things. No wonder it takes so long to ship them - I do not believe their production line / supply chain is there just yet.
how do u do so far with ur x1 carbon? i heard some bad thinks..
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You can get the original WWAN antenna kit from ebay for $20-25
Thank you very much Lisa for your review so I can decide which one would I buy it.
This is the exact video I needed to see
I bought the x1 carbon i7vpro and HDR, love this machine. I was contemplating t480s but the down side was that T480/s has 2 pci lanes and not 4 unlike the x1 carbon, so the x1 carbon has an edge when hooked up to an egpu. That and I love the screen ^^
Are you sure about that? As far as I know T480/s USB-C Thunderbolts have 4 pci lanes. Am I wrong?
Doesn't X1 have RAM soldered on to the motheboard?
Great review. Thank you!
Super great review as always. Thank you.
I received my Gen 8 - 2 week ago. Mine comes with the UHD(3840x2160) IPS Glare 500nits display and it is simply astounding display. You watch a UA-cam video and it's like you are there with them. The Dolby Atmos sound also is great.
Coming from my previous bulky T520. It is so thin and light. I'm so happy with my choice.
after t520 the new keyboard is shitty
Any comments on the T580? Or the [ just released ] T590?
Love Lisa’s reviews...
Seem like no one care about the P50 51 52 53 or the P5xS seri, just like people rarely talked about W520-W540 or T540p in the past. Weird, these machines top in many ways, including the display and are very very powerful, and not very expensive.
Hey Lisa, great review as always :) Could you please do a review of the Thinkpad T580? I'm really considering it but would love to have your input on it as there's a lot of mixed opinions out there
Is the screen on the T480S that dim? Or is it just worse in comparison to the T480 and X1?
So thorough. Thanks a ton!
This lady is my favorite UA-camr
Great review - thanks so much!!!
Love your ThinkPad videos!
Watching in July 2024 & finally got x1c 6th
Thanks for this great review!
I have been waiting for this comparison. Thanks for sharing!
Can you please say anything about the t480 screen compared to the hdr screen?
I am in doubt. I like the non glare option but also hdr :)
How bad is the glare on the HDR model? Can you still work in the daytime or in sunlight with this screen?
I use my laptop alott in the car and on the road, usually during daytime and glare screens are not my favorite. I still love the hdr screen and think with 500 nits it should not give any issues.
I just want to hear it from someonw who has these machines side by side :)
Awesome. Really hope you will do a similar Thinkpad Yoga comparison L380/X380/X1
Yes, that would be great
Hey. Awesome video. Cleared up many things for me. Can you update that review once the ThinkPad X1 Extrem is released. Would be interesting where it fits.
Thank you for the breakdown
6:53 Apart from the benchmark results, I feel the difference in using a DDR3 or DDR4 RAM computer.
Another great review! :)
Ah ah Lisa.. You're perfect. Every 2 days I go to the lenovo website to configurate my next thinkpad... so yeah what's the best choice. I'm more on the t580 side (for the price difference. What's annoying is that you can't know the real weight of the laptop including the 6cell battery.
T480s last model you can upgrade memory :(
4:10 comparison of displays
Awesome video! thanks! lots of practical stuff there - the Skyrim part is kind of important to be honest - sometimes when you travel from work it's a lovely thing to just pass the time! can't wait to get my T440P from work upgraded to one of these bad boys :)
Thanks a lot for the video! You gave two key pieces of information: X1 has the best screen option and the discreet graphics card on the T series are not that much better than the Intel Graphics.
Love love love your channel!!
Lisa, do you (or anyone else here) know of a laptop feature database site that would allow someone to select features they desire (SSD, 16GB RAM, Thuderbolt 3, Core i7, 15" FHD, etc.) and get a list of laptop models that have all of them? Although sites like Amazon do allow you to select some features, not all of the ones that interest me are included. Also, they only list what they sell.
Your videos are my favorite reviews. Your objectivity is refreshing. Thanks!
Cyberport.net
watching in April 2024 & thinking about getting T480
Well done, ty.
Love your videos Lisa! Would love to see a t580 one, there aren't any anywhere!
Thank you for this.. anyone’s thoughts on the E14??? Lisa is god
Answered all of my questions! Great video!
Hi Lisa Excellent review as always. What are the battery time for this three devices. Thank you
good one. Compare all recent yoga thinkpad as well. X1 yoga, X380 and L380
You forgot to mention about COOLING FANS. X1 doesn't have one: The T480/s do.
You are the best Lisa... LOVE YOU
T480 would be my choice because it can be expanded.
Bought X1 Yoga i7 3rd gen. Thanks for your review.
Enjoy- that is a sweet machine!
you may be the best tech reviewer I've ever seen
These are not bad. I just wish Lenovo would refine the drivers for their buggy docks.
The T480 is on the Lenovo site for a measly $700. The T480S is $750 and the X1 Carbon Gen 6 is $1,200
I bought one for 700. Got a 35 discount.
@@nightowl1654 Crunk! I was considering buying the X270 last night for a measly $550 or so, lol, even though I just bought a new laptop.
@@nightowl1654 I m very poor.I wanna learn Freelancing but i have no laptop..Please Please Please Give me this Laptop as a gift. I can,t afford it.I can pay only 100$.Please Pleas have any Rich person here,Just. give me a favour.