Didnt upgrade yet. But this is excactly what i had in mind when i thought about those Msegs. Now i know its possible. For me this is the solution for my laziness to draw automation and speed things up very fast! Aaah f**k it , i need to open my wallet and have a Mseg weekend. I need this now! THNX.
I've been following u on utube for months on & off , now I joined utube premium music & Man all your albums or whatever there called are Awesome, and the artwork is so beautiful, I'm am proud of you and I'm glad to be back after a short break, thanks for all u do for us 👍😁
I like your use of the bar transition curves here, but I dislike the idea of saving these as a template with fixed bar lengths and reusing them on other tracks because - 'lazy', I think it'll encourage yourself and others to adopt a lazy workflow and become content with this 'auto arrangement' and say 'yeah, that's good enough' , and quit making manual micro edits and really nice details/variation on the final arrangement, which are, in my opinion extremely important and really go a long way into making an individual track original/unique, different and interesting. Maybe for this style/genre it's okay sometimes and/or to save time, since you hear a lot of these same transitions being used and it seems expected and actually part of the genre actually. I still think this is a great use of the Project level modulation though, I just wouldn't re-use this as a template. But it's the same reason every time I finish with a patch on my eurorack, I pull ALL cables and start with a completely new/empty canvas because it encourages me to do it different every single time. You can really hear and appreciate some of the crazy micro editing/work that some artists put into their tracks i.e. Max Cooper, Jon Hopkins, Martin Nonstatic, Luigi Tozzi etc (Max Cooper especially, and maybe some of his arranging is could be automatic but it certainly never sounds like it), which really impresses me a lot and makes their music stand out above others and worthy of repeat listening and analysis. Anyway, just my 2 cents. I'm very often lazy too :)
Those aren't that great examples though. They all have like one or two good tracks and everything else is boring and bland. Not that much of diversity either.
Why the shaming? Who cares if not everyone provides musical arrangements up to your standards. First rule of Audio Production Club: the process needs to get fun for the creator. Just remember, there are people who think it's a complete waste of time making custom synths in the Grid and even Custom Synth Patches because it takes away from making music. Is that lazy thinking as well? To just want to make music and not worry about hand rolling everything everytime?
@@CuriousPassenger That's very subjective, and they're not the main artists I even listen to, but I mention them because they ARE good examples since they make repetitive music with a lot of micro editing/arranging/variation. What can separate really great artists/or tracks, regardless of the style/genre is the clear amount of effort put into the miniscule details in the final arrangements. I've seen one of Max Cooper's (at least I think it was his) Live arrangement screen grabs and the sheer amount of complexity in the manual edits, transitions, automation, but even without that you could hear the effort in the actual track, regardless of the style. That kind of hard work can set them apart, elevate an artist/track far above the noise, the crowd of millions churning out the same stuff.
i kinda see this workflow more of a "starter" to an arrangement. some of the curves highlight standard positions of sweeps (end of 4 bar, 8bar or 16bar). the details needed to be added anyway. its not really aiming at "being complete" more like, get the standard sweeps out of the way to get started with the details. i guess some people will use it as a "default arrangement", but i guess this will always be the case for everything (slap plugins onto something and call it a day, or ask ai and release the result, download loops and re-arrange and sell it). so for me its more about extending clips with the modulators, getting some basic arrangment things out of the way and get faster down to the details. at least that was my main idea :D
@@buckycore There was absolutely no intention of shaming in any way shape of form, nor do I expect or need anyone to try and reach a certain standard..I don't even reach those standards that I admire a lot of the time, but I think it's at least important to have standards and be aware of them. I'm just pointing out a danger where people are tempted to follow the path of least resistance. I think that to put transitions/risers like Polarity showed here (which I think are awesome by the way, as is most of the stuff Polarity comes up with to help with workflow and stuff and he knows I'm fan of his work and his channel), into a template to be used and re-used in new tracks can encourage laziness and potentially lead to drab productions/arrangements, and just lead to a 'set it and forget it' approach. There's a slippery slope here where you could eventually (especially with AI, which may find its way integrated into DAWs soon), automate even more of this process of track production, until very little extra effort is required for the track to be considered complete. That's fine to speed up the workflow and provide some shortcuts, as long as we don't forget what's important. But as I said, in my opinion where the magic happens is in the fine details, manual work and deliberate tweaks and improvements done by hand at the micro level, the kind of things your music track will be appreciated and respected for, like say a carpenter putting his lifelong passion and expertise in crafting a unique and beautiful chair that is one of a kind. This attention to detail, effort and passion will be even more important when AI music matches that of AI art generation like MidJourney v5. People will always wanted that hand-crafted art and music, but I'm not sure they're going to care if the human element is missing. All I was doing is sharing my personal feelings and what I personally admire in some music.
The 1 bar curves modulator doesn't just have to be modulated down by the 4 bar but also by the 8 bar. It won't automatically cascade down. When the 8 bar pulls down the 4 bar, the 4 bar can't pull down the 1 bar anymore.
yes. it also dont need to. infact you dont need to pull down at all. or you pull down only one and leave 4 bar as it is. or you pull down 8bar only with the 16bar and leave the rest. you can do it in any way you want :)
This could have been a long thank you message, but after about of 5 minutes of writing, I decided to cut it and leave only a big thank you for such videos. Just a BIG thank you, man!
Amazing insight and techniques as always! Would have never thought to approach the Project Modulators like this! I was really wondering why I needed them but now I know I needed them all along.
Thanks for this, I will make my next song just using the clip launcher. I think it would be great to experiment this way. Also is great if you want a live setup.
I like this , and can see it turbo Charing the initial laying down of a track. Before recording or arranging on the timeline and going into later detail on the timeline . I’m super interested as to how people deploy these global modulators. I have had very Interesting results so far with the groove section, giving a very organic shift of micro timing. So many options it’s almost overwhelming!!!
Bitwig 5 has a new feature that while you're in that mode to edit modulation, you can hold Alt (on Windows/Linux, I think that would be Option on Mac) to edit the actual value of that parameter and not how much it's modulated. That way, you could leave out that additional macro in most cases. Of course, that macro still makes sense when one curves is modulating a lot of parameters. Otherwise, you would only hear how the change of that one parameter would sound and not all together.
I've tried forever to get into a clip workflow and I just can't. Same with a tracker flow. I've been using linear workflows since like 1997. It's so incredibly hard when I want to just go at it to stop and force myself to retrain my brain how to create. I'll keep trying
Tracker workflow can be pretty difficult to get into. Clips on the other hand I personally found very easy, at least in Bitwig, because I was already working on the timeline by looping 16 bars and just building layers that way. The beautiful thing with clips is they can all be running at different bar lengths which can lead to some really nice variation with very short clips that would usually get repetitive quite quickly. At least for ambient, I can say that clips really open up an awesome and more creative way of working where happy accidents and interesting sequences and variations happen without even trying.
@@stateazure yeah definitely! Well for the most part I make dnb. Which tends to usually be a very "linear" translation into the music making process. But when I mess around with techno or neo soul, that's where I need to dial in clip launcher because, yeah, having a variety of time signatures is basically necessary as Polarity showcases in the video. I love Renoise because it's so precise as long as you slice and trunkate properly but visually it's difficult. Even though the idea is you're listening to, more than viewing your arrangement. Anyway, good stuff all around!!!
Sorry for off topic question, but I have this burning question that I can't find the answer for, is there any other way to send multiple Gates to an external hardware(eurorack) other than using multiple instances of HW CV Instrument inside Drum Machine to trigger the notes? I believe you did a video within Poly Grid some time ago. Thank you for your time, huge supporter of your channel.
@@KozmykJ You can literally just hit the main record button and the clips will start getting printed into the arrangement window, along with the modulation changes Polarity set up here, and if you do any clip/scene switching manually during real time recording, all of that gets printed in the arrangement on the fly. It's a very fast way to get a quick basic arrangement down.
Didnt upgrade yet. But this is excactly what i had in mind when i thought about those Msegs. Now i know its possible.
For me this is the solution for my laziness to draw automation and speed things up very fast!
Aaah f**k it , i need to open my wallet and have a Mseg weekend. I need this now!
THNX.
I've been following u on utube for months on & off , now I joined utube premium music & Man all your albums or whatever there called are Awesome, and the artwork is so beautiful, I'm am proud of you and I'm glad to be back after a short break, thanks for all u do for us 👍😁
🥰
I like your use of the bar transition curves here, but I dislike the idea of saving these as a template with fixed bar lengths and reusing them on other tracks because - 'lazy', I think it'll encourage yourself and others to adopt a lazy workflow and become content with this 'auto arrangement' and say 'yeah, that's good enough' , and quit making manual micro edits and really nice details/variation on the final arrangement, which are, in my opinion extremely important and really go a long way into making an individual track original/unique, different and interesting. Maybe for this style/genre it's okay sometimes and/or to save time, since you hear a lot of these same transitions being used and it seems expected and actually part of the genre actually. I still think this is a great use of the Project level modulation though, I just wouldn't re-use this as a template. But it's the same reason every time I finish with a patch on my eurorack, I pull ALL cables and start with a completely new/empty canvas because it encourages me to do it different every single time. You can really hear and appreciate some of the crazy micro editing/work that some artists put into their tracks i.e. Max Cooper, Jon Hopkins, Martin Nonstatic, Luigi Tozzi etc (Max Cooper especially, and maybe some of his arranging is could be automatic but it certainly never sounds like it), which really impresses me a lot and makes their music stand out above others and worthy of repeat listening and analysis. Anyway, just my 2 cents. I'm very often lazy too :)
Those aren't that great examples though. They all have like one or two good tracks and everything else is boring and bland. Not that much of diversity either.
Why the shaming? Who cares if not everyone provides musical arrangements up to your standards. First rule of Audio Production Club: the process needs to get fun for the creator.
Just remember, there are people who think it's a complete waste of time making custom synths in the Grid and even Custom Synth Patches because it takes away from making music. Is that lazy thinking as well? To just want to make music and not worry about hand rolling everything everytime?
@@CuriousPassenger That's very subjective, and they're not the main artists I even listen to, but I mention them because they ARE good examples since they make repetitive music with a lot of micro editing/arranging/variation. What can separate really great artists/or tracks, regardless of the style/genre is the clear amount of effort put into the miniscule details in the final arrangements. I've seen one of Max Cooper's (at least I think it was his) Live arrangement screen grabs and the sheer amount of complexity in the manual edits, transitions, automation, but even without that you could hear the effort in the actual track, regardless of the style. That kind of hard work can set them apart, elevate an artist/track far above the noise, the crowd of millions churning out the same stuff.
i kinda see this workflow more of a "starter" to an arrangement. some of the curves highlight standard positions of sweeps (end of 4 bar, 8bar or 16bar). the details needed to be added anyway. its not really aiming at "being complete" more like, get the standard sweeps out of the way to get started with the details. i guess some people will use it as a "default arrangement", but i guess this will always be the case for everything (slap plugins onto something and call it a day, or ask ai and release the result, download loops and re-arrange and sell it).
so for me its more about extending clips with the modulators, getting some basic arrangment things out of the way and get faster down to the details. at least that was my main idea :D
@@buckycore There was absolutely no intention of shaming in any way shape of form, nor do I expect or need anyone to try and reach a certain standard..I don't even reach those standards that I admire a lot of the time, but I think it's at least important to have standards and be aware of them. I'm just pointing out a danger where people are tempted to follow the path of least resistance. I think that to put transitions/risers like Polarity showed here (which I think are awesome by the way, as is most of the stuff Polarity comes up with to help with workflow and stuff and he knows I'm fan of his work and his channel), into a template to be used and re-used in new tracks can encourage laziness and potentially lead to drab productions/arrangements, and just lead to a 'set it and forget it' approach. There's a slippery slope here where you could eventually (especially with AI, which may find its way integrated into DAWs soon), automate even more of this process of track production, until very little extra effort is required for the track to be considered complete. That's fine to speed up the workflow and provide some shortcuts, as long as we don't forget what's important. But as I said, in my opinion where the magic happens is in the fine details, manual work and deliberate tweaks and improvements done by hand at the micro level, the kind of things your music track will be appreciated and respected for, like say a carpenter putting his lifelong passion and expertise in crafting a unique and beautiful chair that is one of a kind. This attention to detail, effort and passion will be even more important when AI music matches that of AI art generation like MidJourney v5. People will always wanted that hand-crafted art and music, but I'm not sure they're going to care if the human element is missing. All I was doing is sharing my personal feelings and what I personally admire in some music.
The 1 bar curves modulator doesn't just have to be modulated down by the 4 bar but also by the 8 bar. It won't automatically cascade down. When the 8 bar pulls down the 4 bar, the 4 bar can't pull down the 1 bar anymore.
yes. it also dont need to. infact you dont need to pull down at all. or you pull down only one and leave 4 bar as it is. or you pull down 8bar only with the 16bar and leave the rest. you can do it in any way you want :)
You post some of the best Bitwig videos on UA-cam. Great video once again, thanks!
Loving these vids your doing polarity, im learning something every video ,thanks again!
This could have been a long thank you message, but after about of 5 minutes of writing, I decided to cut it and leave only a big thank you for such videos. Just a BIG thank you, man!
❤️ appreciated
Vielen lieben Dank für dieses unglaublich geile Tutorial. Mach bloß weiter so! ❤
mach ich! danke :)
Another mindblowing video! I’m asking how do you build the hats!? Keep up the good work!
Great idea! Minimizes need for automation
This is exactly what I’ve been wanting in a workstation my whole life. Thanks again for the best Bitwig videos.
Amazing insight and techniques as always! Would have never thought to approach the Project Modulators like this! I was really wondering why I needed them but now I know I needed them all along.
Thanks for this, I will make my next song just using the clip launcher. I think it would be great to experiment this way. Also is great if you want a live setup.
I like this , and can see it turbo Charing the initial laying down of a track. Before recording or arranging on the timeline and going into later detail on the timeline . I’m super interested as to how people deploy these global modulators. I have had very Interesting results so far with the groove section, giving a very organic shift of micro timing. So many options it’s almost overwhelming!!!
Bitwig 5 has a new feature that while you're in that mode to edit modulation, you can hold Alt (on Windows/Linux, I think that would be Option on Mac) to edit the actual value of that parameter and not how much it's modulated. That way, you could leave out that additional macro in most cases. Of course, that macro still makes sense when one curves is modulating a lot of parameters. Otherwise, you would only hear how the change of that one parameter would sound and not all together.
yes! I even made a video about it: ua-cam.com/video/NcNMM-3EnfE/v-deo.html
BRILLIANT
Fantastic Idea's !!!
mindblowing...
Perfect! 🤯
omg this is so genius thank you
the music was nice too
I've tried forever to get into a clip workflow and I just can't. Same with a tracker flow. I've been using linear workflows since like 1997. It's so incredibly hard when I want to just go at it to stop and force myself to retrain my brain how to create. I'll keep trying
Tracker workflow can be pretty difficult to get into. Clips on the other hand I personally found very easy, at least in Bitwig, because I was already working on the timeline by looping 16 bars and just building layers that way. The beautiful thing with clips is they can all be running at different bar lengths which can lead to some really nice variation with very short clips that would usually get repetitive quite quickly. At least for ambient, I can say that clips really open up an awesome and more creative way of working where happy accidents and interesting sequences and variations happen without even trying.
changing habits is very hard imo :(
@@stateazure yeah definitely! Well for the most part I make dnb. Which tends to usually be a very "linear" translation into the music making process. But when I mess around with techno or neo soul, that's where I need to dial in clip launcher because, yeah, having a variety of time signatures is basically necessary as Polarity showcases in the video. I love Renoise because it's so precise as long as you slice and trunkate properly but visually it's difficult. Even though the idea is you're listening to, more than viewing your arrangement.
Anyway, good stuff all around!!!
@@PolarityMusic it is very hard but so beneficial when we can rip the band-aid off.
Whats the TAB shortcut assigned to? I can't find that in my Bitwig
Aha found it. Its Toggle Maximised Editing Mode. Weirdly, there's 'Select Next Mode' which only seems to switch between Arrange and Mix
Sorry for off topic question, but I have this burning question that I can't find the answer for, is there any other way to send multiple Gates to an external hardware(eurorack) other than using multiple instances of HW CV Instrument inside Drum Machine to trigger the notes? I believe you did a video within Poly Grid some time ago. Thank you for your time, huge supporter of your channel.
yes the grid has a cv out module with a selector for an soundcard channel. so you can use multiple of these.
Hitting TAB opens the Cip Mixer for me, not the note information window, how do I change that. Thank You.
Settings -> shortcuts.
der projekt lfo micro kram ist nicht vor bitwig5, oder ? also erst das upgrade und dann gibt es diese Funktion
ja. den curve lfo kann man eventuell mit den step mod faken, aber global modulation gibts halt erst ab 5
@@PolarityMusic Danke schön :-)
sehr positive , gleich eine Alternative Lösung zu präsentieren - das ist MEISTER und so gütig ! THX Polarity
How would you go about converting that micro-arrangement into the main arranger ?
Or would you Have To start again ?
the modulators are synced. so they work in the arranger the same way
@@PolarityMusic So just drag the Clips over ?
@@KozmykJ You can literally just hit the main record button and the clips will start getting printed into the arrangement window, along with the modulation changes Polarity set up here, and if you do any clip/scene switching manually during real time recording, all of that gets printed in the arrangement on the fly. It's a very fast way to get a quick basic arrangement down.
@@stateazure Thanks. I'm a bit slow on the whole clips thing anyway.
I'm an old fart with a linear visualisation habit 😜🧙♂