Why Most Everything We Were Told About Dairy Is Wrong
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
- There are so many myths when it comes to nutrition and health. One of the most prominent, that is still being supported by our government policies today, is that we need three servings of dairy a day to get enough calcium and achieve optimal wellness. We now have plenty of research to show us this just isn’t the case. Not to mention, upwards of 65% of the world’s population are lactose intolerant after infancy! Cow’s milk is not nature’s perfect food for human adults, despite what the lobbying efforts of the dairy industry say. On this episode of The Doctor’s Farmacy, I was excited to sit down with Dr. David Ludwig, whose research I’ve followed for the past 20 years and has helped shape the way I practice medicine.
David S. Ludwig, MD, PhD is an endocrinologist and researcher at Boston Children’s Hospital. He holds the rank of Professor of Pediatrics at Harvard Medical School and Professor of Nutrition at Harvard School of Public Health. Dr. Ludwig is co-director of the New Balance Foundation Obesity Prevention Center and founder of the Optimal Weight for Life program, one of the country’s oldest and largest clinics for the care of overweight children. For more than 25 years, Dr. Ludwig has studied the effects of dietary composition on metabolism, body weight, and risk for chronic disease. Described as an “obesity warrior” by Time Magazine, Dr. Ludwig has fought for fundamental policy changes to improve the food environment. He has been a Principal Investigator on numerous grants from the National Institutes of Health and philanthropic organizations and has published over 200 scientific articles. Dr. Ludwig was a Contributing Writer at JAMA for 10 years and presently serves as an editor for The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition and The BMJ. He has written 3 books for the general public, including the #1 New York Times bestseller Always, Hungry? Conquer Cravings, Retrain Your Fat Cells, and Lose Weight Permanently.
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When I was young, my main staple of food that launched my day was milk and cereal! I recall once on the school bus, I would always have a stomach ache and would be buckled over with pain. It wasn’t until years later that I learned the devastating affects of dairy which I gave up and realized significant benefits of enjoying my meals by giving up dairy!! No more pain!!
Same here as a child, except I found out later on in life that I was lactose intolerant. Now, I drink Organic Valley Lactose Free Milk and my stomach can digest it properly.
I did to, but it was the sugar+bht, preservatives in the cereals, also used to eat margerine instead of butter, No trouble with milk or butter, except acne
I love milk. I love cheese. I love cottage. I love cassein. But At some point I had to deal with the fact that dairy dont love me back.
🙋🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
people love sugar and junk food too. changing your diet leads to your taste and cravings which will change over time
Paradoxically, we're attracted to what allergic/intolerant to.
That's me👆
@@williamshaneblyth we dont actually love junk food, the parasites and bad bacterias in our guts do, and we arent wise or woke enough on a general level to mentally over-ride their influences on us, so we give in . Most people dont even know what they are doing let alone know its wrong
I like Dr. Mark for his willingness to question outdated medical practices and, learn about new discoveries and try them. Thank you Doctor.
people don't drink a lot of milk, they drink a lot of something that's called milk. real milk is raw and full of good fats. the stuff in the store is cooked and some of the fat was removed. this study is talking about so called milk not real milk.
And until fairly recently that was the ONLY milk there was. That and and cultured milk, also very healthy!
True. I grew up in New-Zealand, 1.2 liters of milk a day minimun, high meat, masses of organic fruit, loads of high glycemic potatoes, very litle green veg, loads of cereal, sugar on everything. The milk had cream on the top, the bit everyone wanted. I am now 66 and went keto 3 years ago because I stated to get fat. However I was in mid 50's before my BMI started to rise. Was BMI 23 until early 40's, lean and strong. Bones are very strong, teeth are white with 2 fillings got in early teens from school dental nurse. Still drink 1 liter a day but not low fat. All medical markers in the green, at 66 metabolic age = to 45 fit healthy male. My diet as a kid was not ideal but we ate no junk food. I am now a CrossFit fittness fanatic.
Exactly!
Yes. We found raw milk to buy every week at the farmers market.
It's not impossible to find the milk of which you speak, but nearly impossible.
Eggs are the most perfect food. Milk never was. But with eggs, there are no downsides.
Lots of vitamins, lots of minerals, and their protein quality is for a reason the gold standard in sports and nutrition science.
Actually, there are lots of people w/ egg allergies. It could be the histamine-sensitive subset.
I agree that eggs are great. But I am skeptical about labeling anything “perfect.”
@@cps_Zen_Run agreed.
...I remember reading negatives...enough that I don't eat eggs
They barely mentioned A1 vs A2 dairy. would be interested to hear more about that.
Exactly,A2 is what milk used to be and goats are all A2.
Indeed, jersey milk is really different
Another issue with milk is hormones and precursors to hormones leading to hormonal imbalances that can lead to cancers. I have been drinking A2 milk now, but just quit 3 weeks ago, will see if that makes any difference
in america and many other countries, its allowed to use hormones/pesticides/GMO-feed/antibiotics and whatnot :s A1 or A2 is of low relevance in that context...at 48 mins he mentions that A1 seems to cause more problems than A2 and that the dairy industry in america develloped this problem from the breeding of the cows. But i do agree on your point, if you want to drink milk, choose A2 and organice grass fed free range :)
@@omadoutlaw4868 ah. I drank some raw milk. I recalled, This is what milk used to taste like when I was a child and it was not homogenized.
Not for me, l drank milk all the time as a kid. I'm now 76 and have never broken a bone in my life x
No broken bones in my family either lots of milk drinking.
Marian... you are a sample size of ONE.
my mum is 90 and always drank milk. still has all her teeth.
I can say the same.
Do you do any weight bearing exercises or lift heavy objects in your daily activities? Lifting weights I’ve heard builds bone mass.
Sweeden may have high calcium and bone loss because of the lack of vitamin d. Not enough sunshine.
But they do have a history of supplimenting on vit D. Perhaps that’s why they fared better during the last year.
@@MariA-bu2jv I often wonder of the suppliment really is a good as sunshine.
@@MariA-bu2jv and they eat lots of fish
Maybe they don't eat enough minerals. Calcium needs other minerals to assimilate in the body. It has to go where it does good or it just messes up in the blood or make bone spur. Vitamin k2 and vitamin d3 with minerals. Not just calcium. 🤯🤥😷
@@jenniferflower9265 its so complex...because Vitamin D is a trickster..it has many forms in human blood serum...
When I grew up on the farm, my three brothers and me (there were 4 of us) loved drinking raw milk. On one occasion we all got INJURED while drinking it. ---------- The cow laid down.
Lmao!
Wow!!
Hahaha!!! 🤣
@@vonitaesse4307 :- D
Sandra Westley I think raw milk is a totally different ball game, it’s supposed to be good for you as against ordinary milk.
Old news to me. I did my beauty therapy thesis on “milk is for calves”. It didn’t go down well 25 years ago. I had a lot of evidence but was ahead of my time.
It's amazing how much worse the factory farm dairy industry has gotten since then.
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I've been drinking a glass or two of whole milk (organic, grass fed) every day of my life. At age 67 I'm in perfect health and have no osteoporosis. I would never stop drinking it and would recommend it to anyone who doesn't have an allergy to dairy products.
You will have your strong bones to carry your cancer around
@@Doriesep6622 Oh really? I thought cancer was caused by being 15 pounds or more overweight. Hope that's not YOU.
In our schools (Louisiana), the kids have to choose between white 2%, pink strawberry skim milk, or chocolate skim milk. This is for breakfast and lunch. Plus breakfast typically has an orange juice offering as well with a pop tart or cereal. It is despicable.
Yes it is!!!!
I see it as proof that the government is incapable of bringing nutritious food to children. There's got to be a better solution!
well, in that choice range, I guess I'd go with the white 2%, but it's clearly an unfair context. So much added sugars.
I used to get my own food from home
Takes a lot of willpower for someone to get on the right path and take the non presented choice.
maferdash Maria hell yes !! Same here. Love a good meat pie but home made lunch way better than the cafeteria
In hindsight, a lot of this makes total sense. I drank huge quantities of milk as a kid. My mom would buy 5 gallons of 2% milk on the weekend and resupply mid-week because my brother and I drank so much (30oz glasses at a time). The "Got Milk?" campaigns were really powerful at that time and everybody believed what we were told about milk. It's fascinating to learn more and more about how we've been misled by bad science and marketing for decades.
Same upbringing. Always 2% by the gallon. And if there wasn't orange juice next to the milk, Mom could always reach into the freezer for the frozen concentrate and your juice was ready to go. Sad watching my mom struggle for years on Weight Watchers. At least now, we have a chance to reeducate ourselves.
We are still getting marketed and science is still twisted to get the results that industry needs. Rickets is back! And the price of milk is so much more in Canada than in the US that those who cannot afford to purchase milk are giving putting pop and juice in those baby bottles and offering less nutritious beverages to older children. Not much difference in shopping for breakfast cereal when sugar coated cereals are what is encouraged. Unless there is an obvious symptom of lactose intolerance or celiac, children will benefit from the protein in milk. Protein keeps the pangs of sugar craving down as well as providing and ensuring against rickets.
How do you know milk is bad? Are you sick now from it? No scientific studies support that milk is bad?
In hindsight, when I was growing up, there were no commercials......just a clean farmer down the road!!
@@bonniemills6083hmmm. . .children benefit from the protein in milk? Like casein, whey, many others? Ever hear of caseomirphins?
When I was a tween- I lived in a small midwest town down the street from a dairy. We got our milk fresh, non-homogenized, and I did not have any digestive issues with that milk. It was not until we moved away and drank homogenized milk that I started having digestive issues.
Lori, what you have observed is not *causal*. You've noticed a coincidental timing, but no confirmed cause and effect. You got older, and lactose intolerance can hit suddenly as you age.
Now you may be right--but you can prove or disprove that by going back to nonhomogonized milk, or making other "milk" changes.
Great talk. What is up with UA-cam these days? The ads are way too much. This applies to a lot of channels I watch.
Or upgrade! It absolutely capitalizes off our underlying stress facilitated by everything around us. I know I could not take it and upgraded.
I use Adblock on my laptop but not sure if it works on most phones.
It happened after Google bought out youtube, probably a couple of years ago now. It's DISGUSTING.
so many ads interupting mid sentences
You tube premium is the best money ever spent. NO ads. At all. It’s about 16 dollars a month....approximately the amount most people spend on 3 lattes. Worth every penny!
It’s the first time I have come across Dr. Ludwig and I love his level headed approach to diet/nutrition. One size definitely does not fit all when it comes to nutrition and many other “experts” tend to forget this.
Calcium is absorbed best from whole milk. I saw the old time nutritionist Adele Davis write the chemical formula of digestion showing this. Of course organic, pastured, grass fed raw A2 milk is best. Visiting the farm and seeing the care of the cows is even better. Goat milk is great too.
The law won't allow us raw milk.😕
I eat cheese yogurt every day. I grew up guzzling milk. All through my teens. Never did me any harm.
Try letting go of it for a week. See the difference, even when you think it never did you wrong..
Half the people have no problems with milk, no problems at all. But some do.
@@lawdogwales5921 70% of world population is lactose intolerance, an unknown percentage of those who do consume milk have all kinds of skinproblems due to dairy. Inner and outer skin: acne, sinus and ear infections, exzema, asthma, bowel sensitivity, endometriosis to name but a few. Others have other inflammatory issues, like arthritis.
It really is worth your while to cut all dairy for a while, even when you think you have no problem. You may get to know your body in a different way! :-)
me too - I have great bone density.
@@krism6260 I frequently go months without dairy, and of course when I fast I don't eat anything including dairy. But many people, like me, handle dairy with no problems. And following a ketogenic diet bordering on pure carnivore, I need a little more variety than meat, eggs, and fish. Dairy is a great and welcome treat: milk, cream, whipped cream, yogurt, and cheese are all so great, especially cheese. But, by all means, avoid any food that gives you problems.
I really appreciate this wonderful discussion. I am a 65 yr old female that suffers from anemic problems. Recently I started using raw goats milk, not a lot, I make custard (not sweetened) in the evening, hoping this will be easier nutrient absorption, and started adding it to my coffee. also switched to carnivore diet, which made an incredible difference in my health. Waiting until December to take a new blood test.
I did carnivore for 5 years. Zero fiber. Biggest mistake of my life. Ruined my digestion and gut. Almost 2 years later I’m still trying to heal. It’s been hell. Stay away from that dangerous diet! And I would advise you to stop using the drug caffeine. That adds to your anemia as it hinders absorption of minerals and ruins your digestion. A horrible drug that everyone is addicted to.
A truly informative dialogue,especially regarding goat and sheep dairy as they graze naturally!
Abdollah Gilani,MD
Dairy with its fat, and vitamin D is what enabled Swedes to survive the long winters with hardly any sunlight.
As far as osteoporosis goes: Swedes drink absurd amounts of coffee, and not the organic kind. The most heavily sprayed food crop in the world. They also eat absurd amounts of glyphosate sprayed grains. Kale they’ll eat once a year, for Christmas.
They are also VERY sedentary.
Yeah, that's why i take everything YT health gurus claim with a -grain- handful of salt.
Especially if they have agendas or part of a group.
Multiple factors should be controlled when speaking about milk if we want to objectively assign its nutritional value.Like:
-pasteurized Milk has its enzymes destroyed(even worse the long endurance milk)
-commercial milk are from cows on mainly grain feedlot, and the worse kind of grains, corn.
-commercial milk are from cows full on antibiotics/hormones.
-Milk cows are genetically engineered to produce ENORMOUS amounts of low quality milk.Volume over quality.
etc etc
Monica Georgson I have question, please.
Are you from Sweden, or are you talking about what scientists and written books have told you?
Swedes and norwegians get their vitamin d from cod liver oil.
@@pauldi7268 My Swedish grandma gave that to her dog, Didn’t take it herself
@@quantumuniverse5771 I am a native Swede
But what about kefir? That’s fermented milk with all of the benefits of fermented foods! Works wonders for my health!
Im researching on kefir, there is a "water"kefir that dont require lactose. One could make a kefir with the waterkefir on almondmilk og even better macadamiamilk
@@flothoejmand8452 a well-fermented kefir is around 99% lactose-free anyway...
Man oh man...what hasn't Dr. Ludwig accomplished?! Excellent information! Thank you.
My family drank lots of milk when we were growing up and we were extremely healthy. No health problems whatsoever. No bone problems as adults either. I take nutrition advice with a grain of salt. There are so many other factors besides food. I do agree that sugar is a real problem, especially high fructose corn syrup. And all the horrible additives in our food is making us sick. It’s probably not the food but more the garbage they put in it that’s the problem.
Yes, but is not ethical to drink milk of other species, or the cows, or goats, dogs, cats, etc. drink human milk? Think about this. I stopped drink it almost at the age of 40 and I notice the differences. The cow’s milk has much phosphorus than the human milk, the protein that is the casein, is not good because makes intestinal permeability. So, the milk is pro inflammatory food.
My uncle smoked and lived till 104. Whats your point?
Breast milk from another mamal is not even natural. Mucus, disgusting!!!!!
In my family the only person who had strong bones, teeth till the end and never even suffered RA or osteoarthritis ever was my grandmother. she drank a lot of dairy not just a little with tons of sugar, chocolate powder, and fruit shakes. She drank real milk. you need to take this BS on social media and studies with grain of salt because these propaganda promoting doctors will not do randomized trials long term and restrict other unhealthy factors in groups and then see results.
I am CERTAIN if they did they will find dairy FAR superior to meat for bone health.
my other grandmother who ate fish n chicken n eggs all life with very little dairy intake only suffered terrible arthritis. so a good trial in my family itself. this is why medical doctors need to be taken with grain of salt today else they will convince you to buy supplements over food. hear Dr Robert Lustig and Dr Aseem Malhotra intake on dairy.
any one can blow trumpet on correlation but fail to invest in science to prove a real cause. so where do these doctors stand? in my eyes in the commercial world to delude us with their propaganda based studies.
unless they don't become political to influence Public policies on their fake cherry picked observational studies or studies where they don't control enough co-founders and don't even know if enough co-founders they are to be negated..
I am sure some scientist will come and find why these studies were flawed.
waiting desperately for that day. because if you can't prove causation you can only speak to people not influence Public policies like a fake doctor running vegan agenda
@@sash0047 time will tell what's her point. who knows now if smoking was really that bad until industrial Ag Era where it became worsened because it comes from earth and many people in history smoked. because only after refined garbage which came in form of oils, refined carbs even few generations ago has diseases started to go up
Food is medicine for the body and every one's body is different. I lived on nothing else but a raw camel milk three times a day for six months and I have never felt healthier, leaner, and energized my whole life. Every time I do that I come back with the energy of 20 years old. I really believe that our ancestor's diet, their environment is encoded in our DNA and the more we deviate from that, the more food problems we run into.
Where did you grow up? Where are you from? I've not seen camel milk in any store in the US. Is it widely available in the Arab countries?
EXACTLY!
@@LisaMurphy You can order raw camel milk from Desert Farms in CA. Apparently they ship all over the country.
Raw is the key. Pasteurization kills.
@@mrsducky3428 I drink raw milk, and I love it.
I will never give up dairy
why would you?? dairy rules...I just get the best
Yep, way better than grains lol. Eggs, meat, some greens and cottage cheese are the best foods ever.
Mark, who is going to fund the $million study proving goats milk is better? :))
No one. I have goats. They are not bred, but can purchase goat dairy from my neighbor..... luckily I live in a rural area and grow my own food.
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I have a cup of milk every day, but I turn it into kefir first. Low to no lactose, lots of fabulous nutrition.
So does the kefir at least partially digest the lactose? I know kefir can be made with a different base other than milk. I have no issues with milk and really miss yogurt when I am using lactose free milk. The fresh yogurt seems not to make nice thick yogurt when using that tablespoon of yogurt as a starter. Almost seems to need that”milk sugar” to make it turn.
@@bonniemills6083 It's possible that kefir digests all the lactose when you let the culture run it's course. I started my kefir culture from freeze dried grains about 4 years ago.
It's like owning a pet, you have to take care of the culture, feeding it and straining the grains out of the completed kefir. It takes me less than ten minutes a day to strain and refeed the culture.
The kefir grains live on lactose (or sugar in a water based kefir) and take about a day to culture whole milk, which is what I use.
I don't culture yogurt as the variety of bacteria in kefir is much broader, up to 60 different types, making lots of good stuff. I have little to no problem digesting milk and kefir is even easier to digest.
Home cultured kefir tastes very little like anything you would buy in a store, really no comparison in quality as far as I'm concerned. It is thick and rich and tangy with just a trace of alcohol.
@@hannabaal150 I enjoyed your post. I, also, make my own kefir milk and kefir water. The grains of both kefir's are very precious and I enjoy taking care of them. The joy of consuming both types of kefir's are exponentially satisfying.
@@BlackButterFlyTongue Thanks, kind of you to say so.
I have drank milk plus all dairy for 83 years. I am not over weight never have been. I totally disagree. I buy from a dairy direct 😀of course there was no fast food in my youth . We ate one meat 3 vegetables
Milk from a cow versus processed milk cannot be compared processed milk has almost everything removed from the the cows milk.
After a cancer diagnosis and reading The China Study, I cut out all dairy and have never looked back...that was 17 years ago.
The China Study was not a very good study, but if it inspired you, fantastic. I may try the no dairy challenge, but I love my cheese, just may switch to A2 or goats cheese.
@@omadoutlaw4868 believe me, I loved cheese too but just could not ignore all of the health evidence against it (The China Study being just one source of information). I was no-meat for many years before going dairy-free for ethical reasons. I lamely did not consider how much worse the dairy industry was regarding animal welfare and environmental factors. I’m clear that had I not stopped all dairy I’d be dead.
China study is hoax look in to it.
@@okok-gg5fl eat whatever you want!😂
Whatever works for you is great but don't base it on "The China Study". One of his former students claims Collin Campbell selected findings to support his preconceived views. He had a bias and philosophy on what people should and should not eat before he began his "study". Very similar to research studies funded by the cigarette manufacturing associations, or any other biased group.
Sorry Mark, I enjoy your podcasts, but I’m seven minutes in and all ready there has been three double ads. I understand UA-cam’s need to monetize, but this is untenable. I’m on a fixed income and can’t afford more monthly bills. Maybe you’ll move to Spotify with Joe.
You tube is free. Geeze
What's it mean "fixed income" lol? It could be a pretty penny a lot more than many folks are getting during this terrible pandemic, great depression.
@@emh8861 Be kind - it’s not just about UA-cam. Possibly the viewer has limited internet access for the same reason as ours. (In our country internet costs are not very affordable for those on limited income, so time online is restricted).
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I did not see one single ad! 🤔
"Milk is nature's perfect food" - if you are a baby cow then yes it is..
moo
They remove cream from the milk and test make cheese butter and wiping cream they sell at high price and there is nothing left in the milk
At the farm in my young days we would take a percentage of milk and run it through the centrifuged for making butter etc and what the left over called butter milk was given to the pigs
Thanks for the video guys
Ancel Keys largely the father of the low fat myth to tackle obesity , when carbs are the cause.
Add to that drinking carb loaded drinks all day and 3 meals plus snacks and boom! You have a pandemic of obsessed/diabetes/heart disease and all the other metabolic disorders.
I get, probably, the majority of my calories from butter and full fat cream. The rest from red meat and eggs. On this diet I'm ripped, strong, energetic, feel incredible and have ended several digestion and other minor issues.
Carnivore, best diet
Same.
@@rins6126 You need to eat vegetables.
The trouble with You Tube comments is that any one can make all sorts of anonymous claims based on one instance of anecdotal evidence and then try to make these claims sound convincing...............get back to us in 20 years if you are young and 10 if you are old!
@@donwinston no I don't. They cause me stomach issues. Especially broccoli and onions. 2 chopped pieces of onions sends me 2 days in extreme indigestion. And there are other problems with lectins and nightshades
Interesting and informative! Thank you Both! I was waiting for Raw Milk information, thank you!
one area which is on my "need to research" is bone loss differences in countries that do not drink much milk but are eating lots of animal meat. Why? Back 20 years ago (or more) the question was brought up that its the consumption of meat, which causes highly acidic conditions in the kidneys & elsewhere, may cause some metabolic acidosis. The human bones are NOT where we prefer to obtain calcium molecules to counter-act this problem....Because, unless you are physically active, the resulting loss of calcium to counter the higher pH in your blood from excessive meat eating, is not put back. Particularly this is a concern for women & men who are prone to osteoporosis.
I find this a very interesting point. Thank you
Is that true?
did I understand right that yogurt, kefir (fermented products) are OK as long as they are sugar free?
Yes! Fermentation is always preferable!
Dr Hyman,
I have followed you for years,
and very much appriciate your integration of health, genetic diversity, animals and the planets welfare.
I am a swedish anaesthetist,
with genes from Estonia, same as Finland. When I was 55 years I was solo parent to two teenagers, my daughter was aggressiv and addicted to expensive clothes and bags. And I had a small stroke, recovered, but the MRT showed multiple small-artery inflammation all over the brain. That scared me really, and during several years I
experimented with trying to
improve my health, what worked was better sleep, less stress, change of workplace, and diet. No suger, no wheat,
but butter, cream, olive oil, cheese, fish, greens, meat was good for me. The estonian people ate only rye bread, fat dairy, fermented dairy and vegetables, they were lean, many lived till old age, though during the Sovjet Union era they smoked and had too much alkohol. And their pork tastes so good that the pigs must have had a good and healthy life. My father told me how they tended the familys pig. Now I feel so much better, it was a great surprise to me that I didn’t tolerate wheat.
Thank you so much for your blog, with interesting discussions. I haven’t made any new brain MRT, but it feels so much better. Thanks a lot.
Martina
What did you want to say about your daughter being aggressive?
Ane Kirstine Nørby
She made me spend a lot of money for bags, clothes, makeup etc with threats, that made my stress and workload heavier. Now she is fine, 23 years. A kind, lovely woman.
🌸 Martina
I learned about this 20 years ago in my bio health class in college. I was shocked no one was talking about it.
Question: What form of calcium is in milk, canned fish with the bones and vergi sources. I was led to believe it was Carbonate form.
I used to drink almost a gallon of whole milk a day until I went off to college. I didn’t get my first cavity until I was 42, I’ve had a total of two cavities (I’m now 53). I’ve never broken a bone. I credit milk.
Well, I've never got either a cavity or a broken bone, I'm 57 and I haven't drink a drop of milk since I was 8. It's true that I've always had some sheep and goat mature cheeses and also that since I turned 40 I have about 6 oz yoghurt and 6 oz kefir per day.
you are wrong..nothing to do with milk
Great interview! Thank you for sharing this information.
My favorite sarcasm argument he's ever made against milk: we're the only animal to drink the milk of another animal. We're not meant to do it. Uhhhh ok. I guess we shouldn't read and write either. Lol. Must be bad. No other animals do it. Let's stick with logic science molecules chemistry. Milk does WHAT in the body to cause problems? I'm listening!
@David Hume it may be. It also might be why we highly adaptive. Also doesn't work the other way. We don't do things because other animals do it. It's just not a good reason to say milk is bad for you. I agree with you it's a Helleva good reason to question it! That makes sense.
Also when animals are given the chance, they will drink other species' milk. We're the only ones to do it because we just have the means to do so
@@rins6126 no way!!! Haha... Even better.
We would not survive as human being without the 'tools' we learned to use, like weapons to kill animals and the fat and protein in milk for example.
Without it, we would still be eating plants and ants and have the brain content of a small ape.
But go ahead: drink Coke in stead of milk...
@@youtubingbabs so cats don't like dairy?
Dr Hyman, you have some wonderful doctors on your podcast. They are always so intelligent, knowledgeable and morally sound. Like yourself. Thanks for all you do.
Fascinating talk on so many levels - one of your best!
1:21 that is exactly why I got rid of carbs. with carbs I was hungry all the time, eating 3 times a day and my triglycerides were off the chart. really enjoy not being hungry every 3 hours or less.
Dairies that are exclusive in the production of raw products tend to keep their facilities much cleaner whereas dairies that rely on pasteurization aren't always so strict regarding raw products.
Use the land that is growing the grain to pasture and graze the animals along with less consumption of meat and dairy. That's the solution if we can navigate the politics surrounding it. Focus more on food quality and production ethics, not quantity.
Gary Taubes cited him many many times in his masterpiece book Good Calories, Bad Calories.
Finding local a2 milk was a game changer as I heal from a year of SIBO and SIFO IBS. And I love goat cheese.
I love the doctor's pharmacy... very valuable information!!
When I was a year old, I stopped drinking milk. According to my mother I didn't like milk, she told my pediatrician and he told her that once a baby cow is weaned they no longer need milk. Therefore, whole food has all of the nutrients we require.
I would love to know Mark Hyman's thoughts on the APOE4 gene and how that might also affect things like dairy consumption and saturated fats.
My take home is that unless you have specific issues Moderation is the key.
Except there's no definition of moderation
Why eat or drink dairy at all? IGF-1 will increase your risk of cancer. In other words, it causes 'specific issues'. Common sense would suggest consuming as little as possible.
@@robertdabob8939 I take it there is no cancer among those people or civilizations who do not consume milk.
@@bonniemills6083 "The team found significantly lower rates of death from any cause, as well as a lower incidence of all cancers combined in the Adventist population (by 33% and 30%, respectively), and lower incidence rates specifically for breast, colorectal, rectal, and lung cancer (by 30%, 16%, 50%, and 30%, respectively)."
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30% less instances of cancer, and much better outcomes of course.
"Consuming as little as 1/4 to 1/3 cup of dairy milk per day was associated with an increased risk of breast cancer of 30%," Fraser said. "By drinking up to one cup per day, the associated risk went up to 50%, and for those drinking two to three cups per day, the risk increased further to 70% to 80%."
medicalxpress.com/news/2020-02-associates-intake-dairy-greater-breast.html
Cancer metastasis is when shit get's scary:
"Mounting evidence suggests that IGF-1 is involved in the pathogenesis and progression of different types of human cancer such as colon, breast, prostate and lung."
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moderation in moderation
Dr. Hyman, thank you for sharing so much knowledge and wisdom.
Love these conversations! Thank you so much Dr Hyman, I'm just starting my journey and Need your guidance 💕
A commercial every a few minutes. Had to stop watching
Google/UA-cam is targeting you from your behavior like I'm being targeted
You get to watch this information for free, just something to remember. The content is far more valuable then the inconvenience of some ads.
I pay monthly for UA-cam and didn’t get commercials.
Greetings from the Netherlands. Where we drink a lot of milk, eat a lot of cheese.
Tallest people in the world, among the country with the oldest people in the world and Nr. 1 happiest kids in the world.
Maybe the reason we are intelligent beings is that we started to use dairy... who will say?
Precies
life expectancy is not a synonym of life quality. Tall is a genetic trait, unrelated with food and what about happiness? There are many ways to measure it and I don't see how eating cheese and dairy in general might affect that, besides creating people addicted to saturated fat who will eventually have diabetes or heart conditions.
@@giovanbattistafichera8439 you're right about genetics, but the strongest survive and the tallest men get more interest from women. You can not draw the conclusion that food has nothing to do with it.
Obesity and insuline resistance ate not caused by saturated fats but by sugar.
@@asphalthedgehog6580 the strongest survive? Do you live in the jungle? Taller men get more attention simply because that's what the current beauty standards are, not because taller=better. And the only way food plays a role in all this is that nowadays we have enough calories available to feed bigger and taller people and no, diabetes is caused by saturated fat, do some research on the topic.
@@giovanbattistafichera8439 no diabetes is not caused by fat. Maybe read something about it that's not 50 years old...
We were talking about animal fat here. If you mean processed fats you must be right, most illnesses probably are caused by that.
We only use animal fat and olive oil; nothing else.
You must agree that diabetes is caused by insuline resistance.
By strongest I do not mean muscles; we would not make a chance against animals.
I have issues with the amount of lactose in milk, but what about yogurts and cheese? I have difficulty getting enough protein in my diet, but plain greek yogurt helps and I don't have stomach pain from it.
lactose is milk "sugar". Fermentation of milk involves probiotic microbes eating the lactose and reproducing to produce more probiotic microbes. Kefir and yogurt are two products of the fermentation of lactose.
What this Doctor said is not quite true. The USDA doesn't recommend 3 glasses of milk per day per person. They recommend 2 to 3 servings of dairy 'products'. Anyway, I drink a tall 12 oz glass of whole milk every day and have all my life. (For the past 20 years it's been only organic grass fed cow milk). I'm 67 and have NO osteoporosis, have remained slender and my cholesterol and blood sugar levels are good. If you're not bothered by dairy products and you like milk, I'd say GO FOR IT.
common sense. yes
I felt that Mark was leading this interview and making great points, while the guest was was more or less following along.
He almost always does that
Thank you for the informative video, but the science is not with you on dairy. There is also too much of a focus on milk. There have been major observational studies that have found benefits to eating dairy, particularly cheese and yogurt. One that I recall is the Golestan Dairy Food Intake Study. This was a 10 or 11 year study ending in 2017 that had more than 42,000 subjects in a province of Iran. The study was funded mainly by the NIH and National Cancer Institute and involved a number of well-respected research institutions, including Harvard (Dr. Willetts), Cambridge, Mt. Sinai Hospital and others. This study found significant benefits to eating dairy with respect to lower all-cause mortality, reduction in cardiovascular disease and reduction in death from CVD. Favorable statistics were given for cheese and yogurt. An eye opening finding was that the highest quintile of dairy eaters saw the greatest benefits. There was no or little increase in cancer, maybe not statistically significant.
The two Harvard observational studies, The Nurses Study and the Professionals Study, with about 300,000 subjects found a similar result. These are the gold standard of observational studies. Other large dairy studies confirm this result.
BTW, the Journal of the American College of Cardiology published a study in June 2020 which looked at all the randomly controlled clinical trials, observational studies and metaanalyses of these for saturated fat and found that saturated fat doesn't cause heart disease and there should not be any limitation on it in the diet. To the extent that it raises cholesterol, the study noted that it's not the small, high density particles that become lodged in the artery wall.
It sounded like Dr. Ludwig was endorsing the high fat, low carb diet, because of how much saturated fat is oxidized in this diet. It doesn't circulate in the blood. The dangerous fat, as he said, was the saturated fat created by eating too many carbs which is deposited in the body. He also identified sugar as the main causative factor in heart disease. This is what low carb advocates have been saying for a long time.
Carbs, particularly simple carbs such as sugar are responsible for low grade systemic inflammation throughout the entire body. The CRP blood test identifies how much inflammation you have. Systemic inflammation is an overall general health hazard to be avoided.
highest quantile of dairy eaters found most benefits
Dr. Ludwig is the real deal. You can see how he is modest about making claims, always qualifying what he says because the research is incomplete or there are issues still to be explored. Dr. Hyman tends to take preliminary findings and extrapolate them a bit too far sometimes.
Don't forget to check out Mark's video - Dairy: 6 Reasons To Avoid It At All Costs
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Thanks for sharing this important information! We appreciate it! :-)
This is such a precious talk ❤️
A study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition in 2014 examined the relationship between dairy intake and stroke risk among Swedish men and women. The study followed over 74,000 participants for an average of 10 years and found that higher consumption of dairy products, particularly milk and fermented dairy, was associated with a reduced risk of stroke. The study suggested that the beneficial effects of dairy consumption on stroke risk may be due to the presence of certain nutrients, such as calcium, potassium, and magnesium, as well as the presence of probiotics in fermented dairy products (Larsson et al., 2014).
Huge milk drinker and cheese eater. So is my whole family. No allergies not overweight no health issues. Nothing, zilch, zep, nada. Love burnt flavor cheeze its to.
Its nice to have a physician and researcher, like Dr. David Ludwig, who is insistent on doing well controlled clinical trials in the world of nutrition. Unfortunately, most of what passes in the nutritional world as "research" is junk science in the form of observational studies. While observational studies have their place, they should mostly not be used to draw conclusions about a causal relationship between A and B. They can, at best, be a vehicle to formulate a hypothesis, which should then be tested in a controlled setting - preferably a randomized controlled trial. Thank you Dr. Hyman for giving Dr. Ludwig a chance to reach a wider audience so he can convey how good nutritional research is done. If we were more insistent on only using controlled trials, instead of relying on dubious epidemiology, we would not have subscribed to so many of the nutritional myths that lead us astray from our path towards health.
I wish that you would of covered A1 and A2 milk and the major difference which you have not covered.
The devil's in the milk! Also kale has high content of oxalates which should not be consumed in high dosages. Wow lots of information left out!
Kale has one of the most high oxalates and when consuming you need calcium at the same time. The chemical the body produces to break down the oxalates stops if gut is damaged .e.g leaky gut.
Plus all the chemical the cows are fed.
Ghee?
I agree. Raw A2 Dairy are one of the healthiest foods ever, specially when transformed into Kefir.
@@mdadilahnaf1961 there was a trial done for A1 and A2 milk and I believe the A2 batch got tempered with to make it turn out not effective. All farmers should be changing over the herd to produce A2. There is even a book may not be in circulation now...called the milk healing diet.
As far as I know Raw milk sales are legal in certain states..not mentioned
Thank you both great guys for informing us to get the back to basics. Goat milk safest for me as well Dr. Hyman.
Lactose intolerance is very common, affecting up to 70% of people worldwide. The most common symptoms include stomach pain, bloating, diarrhea, constipation, gas, nausea and vomiting. There have been reports of other symptoms, such as headaches, fatigue and eczema, but these are rarer and not well established.
I am one of that 70%. I have had allergic reactions to milk since I was a small baby. It is not just milk, but all milk products. I love butter and cheese so I have them in small amounts and know I will pay the price if I go beyond a certain amount. But I don't even consider drinking milk. I get most of my calcium from meat, fish, eggs and green leafy veggies. This video, though informational, reminds me of a dairy ad.
As soon as I drink milk my body feel s so good..
I love dairy. I love yogurt, ice milk, ice cream, all types of cheese. I became lactose intolerant after being on a medication that almost destroyed my digestive system. I started using lactose free milk and eventually my intolerance went away. I have, however reduced my cheese intake.
The quality of milk is a bigger problem than the milk itself. Highly industrialised dairy farms put cows under enormous stress, then this ersatz milk is pasteurised and denatured. The industry is highly subsidised and the promotion of dairy is about money not health. Raw milk is a great health food in moderation. Excess of anything is problematic.
I drink organic whole milk that is very creamy and organic whole milk vanilla yogurt everyday. And it taste great.
I add about six healthy herbs and spices, nuts and flaxseeds everyday. On even days I add in a couple tablespoons of organic cacao nibs.
Raw milk is illegal in Illinois.
For people on low carb eating a decent amount of saturated fat and it gets used more efficiently because they’re burning more fat, wouldn’t the same be true with carbs if someone was an athlete? I’m glad low carb high fat seems to be helping people, but are carbs being demonized too much?
No not at all. The problem is the SAD Standard American Diet that the west currently suffers from. It's a super high carbohydrate (fad) diet, that IS causing all the recent epidemic diseases including obesity, diabetes and heart disease. ALL carbohydrates metabolize to blood sugar. Simple carbohydrates ARE sugars, and complex carbohydrates are metabolized into simple carbohydrates in something like just four minutes. The non stop very high volumes of blood sugar force continual extreme insulin levels in the body, and this in turn causes all sorts of mid to long term health problems and "diseases". It doesn't help that blood sugar is actually ADDICTIVE in the same way as opium products are. So that the majority of the population are suffering from a substance abuse problem.
It turns out that almost everything that they teach and preach, is completely wrong - backwards. This is very difficult to understand or accept because we are all so brain washed into believing all the falsehoods. Falsehoods such as; "breakfast is the most important meal of the day", "eating fat causes weight (fat) gain", "salt is bad for you", "saturated fats are bad for you", etc etc.
The only way to get to the truth, is to do as I've done for the last year; get serious about studying nutrition and diet. We all now need to manage our OWN health. Hope this helps.
@@amisoftau2659 eat a lot of 10% fat yoghurt and eat real butter since last year in stead of margarine. Lost 20 pounds since. Almost no fat left on my body.
@@asphalthedgehog6580 Congratulations. Yes Margarine is EVEN WORSE than the "vegetable" oils that it's made from. Those nut and seed oils (no, no vegetable content whatsoever) are chemical factory products, fake food. They are highly inflammatory and damaging to the human body. In comparison, natural fats/oils are amazingly good for us.. Butter, beef fat, coconut oil, avocado oil, etc.
@@amisoftau2659 well put. I agree and trying to stay low low low carb
Carbs are important for athletic performance but if you’re not athletic then low carb is the way to go tbh
Though the Maasai do not often eat beef; they eat milk and blood which is harvested by puncturing the loose flesh on the cow's neck with an arrow
Enjoyed the interview and facts explained. Thank you.
The milk sugar (lactose) that spikes blood glucose is the main problem ,ghee is from milk and it is the healthy part
The guest was great, the host was goofy, flippant and talks about himself way too much.
This is usually the case, I only watch these for the guests, lol
I eat yogurt, eat cheese and drink milk most days...I did when I was a child and I do it now...I am 51 and never broke a bone. I practice skydiving, scuba diving and motorcycling, cycling, karate and running.
and for the 35 percent of the population that is not lactose intolerant, dairy products are an excellent source of protein, minerals, vitamins and always healthy saturated fat
Adding vitamin D3 to the diet can increase bone density if supplemented with vitamin k2. When I was growing up, the only way I had milk was either in cereal, or with chocolate. That, in time gave me a weight problem that I've been fighting my whole life. Eating cereal left me always hungry, because it was always laden with a lot of sugar.
We should also consider the fact that dairy production is animal abuse...it´s probably the most cruel form of animal agriculture with egg production.
Did Dr H just say something like "too much meat ... acid load" in the context if osteoporosis. Bollocks. If he's that out of touch with modern research and still spouting elderly debunked myths, I'm out
Drank load of full cream milk as a child. No broken bones ever and no fillings in my teeth!
The majority of people are not aware of the political exploitation and influence over the marketing of food products...... thanks for sharing....👍
I found a way to make my milk from 10% cream and it tastes good. I mix it 2/1 with filtered water. I have a carb issue. This also reduces any remaining hormones and costs a little less that regular milk. I am not concerned by any nutrient loss as I have been taking a quality Multi 2X/day for a few decades as well as other essential supplements
I have never drank a glass of milk in my life.
So what...Who cares?
I don't drink it anymore myself but I am quick to recommend butter, cream, cheese, etc. Altho' I'm not a fan of kefir, I will drink it sometimes for its probiotic health benefits.
@@Micheline6918 "Doesn't play nice with other children".
A lot of foods we eat now weren't necessary for our ancestors, fruits/vegetables other carbohydrates. That regularly became consumed only after the Neolithic period. Eggs are meant to develop into chickens, but people use them as food. So what if milk is supposed to be for calfs? Think dairy products aren't that bad. Maybe the estrogen and growth hormones could make u give it up.
I drink Raw milk, from a certified biodynamic organic farm, 100% Grass-fed, No Grain, pasture raised in Philadelphia Pennsylvania and I am very fortunate that it's very tightly controlled, tested AND cerified organic by OCIA. I buy it through Mom's organic supermarket it comes right from Kimberton Hills Dairy, Kimberton Pennsylvania and it's not pasteurized , inon homogenized. It's whole fat. It's A2 milk which comes from an older breed of cows that we evolved with and digest differently. It offers many minerals and enzymes and is completely different from the typical highly politicized, federally subsidized inferior pasteurized homogenized regular milk sans the healthy whole fat and all the live enzymes and minerals. The skim milk and 1% 2% are the worst.
The big question is how do I gain weight? I just need to get back up to 115 pounds.
Drink lots of milk
Before the 1980s skimmed milk was mainly used to fatten pigs. You could try lots of that. Farmers use grains to fatten their cattle. A diet of sugary rice pudding with 0.5% milk would probably fatten you up in short order. Stay away from proper food like full fat dairy and meat though.
I have the exact same problem but 99.9% of searched info regarding weight management revolves around LOSING weight and any info regarding gain has not worked 😕
Try chicken peas ,have seen it work ,
I lost 20 pounds in 5 weeks while drinking 2 liters of milk,1 pound of ripe bananas and 2 boiled eggs every day.
I believe you but how come?
The issue with unfermented milk that is not just milked is that lactose decays to glucose + galactose, then galactose decays to d-galactose (spontaneous isomer shift). This inflammatory molecule doubles risk of heart disease when consumed regularly (5 weeks isn't going to be a problem).
Milk is high protein and fine for weight loss. You can get fresh milk by owning a milk goat (a cow is probably too big). Drinking fermented milk avoid the lactose decay by changing it to lactic acid - which is stable.
Sounds good, but did you go back to a "normal" diet and gain weight. I know we can live off of lots of foods and be healthy. Nutritional science is more just marketing.🤠
👍I been told and quit believe, the milk straight from the cow is different from what we get in "the supermarket's etc! Full of químics and preserved materials that is what it causes problems in people's lives 🤔🙋
no kidding ..everyone if they limit their diet. u ate shit before that now you cut calories and upped your nutrition. no big deal
If I eat cheese, drink milk I get so much mucus it makes me sick. My nose becomes runny and I cough with congestion as if I have a cold. I try to avoid dairy but I do fine eating beef.
It might a candida issue
I know this is a late comment, but in regards to the milk coming from grass fed cows depending on how good their diet is, is real. That is how we obtain different cheeses from different areas which taste different. This is especially obvious when you take the same cheese manufacturing process. That is why Gruyère from Switzerland is so different from France, or Munster produced in Alsace is different from Citeaux in Burgundy etc.
It’s also the same in wine. Terroir is real.
Fairlife WholevMilk? Had Osteopenia. Revetsed after drinking 1.5 liter Fairlife Milk daily
Ok, cows eat grass and absorb calcium no problem, huh? They also have four compartments to their stomachs. Plus, how much grass does a cow eat every single day? So, do we need twenty five pounds of grass a day or what is the number? Wouldn't just a little milk be easier to get calcium than eating grass? But, the other doctor did say a serving of some kind of fish and/or kale. I forget the fish he said, so there's that.
Milk is great. But it comes with a lot of side notes. You must be able to digest it, (most people are varius degree of intolerant), many hormones and antibiotics from the cows diet, the A1 casein is not well tolarated...
@@alexforce9 Yeah, those people could eat the fish or kale. I was a bodybuilder for twenty years. I drank two gallons of skim milk mixed with Perfect 1100 everyday for twelve of those years. I would carry one gallon with me till I drank it all, then start on the second. I would leave it out of the refrigerator the whole time and keep it by my bed at night to drink when I woke up in the middle of the night starving. Everybody told me milk upset their stomach. It never once bothered me. Guess I got lucky.
@@alexforce9 Yes, now that you mention it, I only drink raw milk now. But, I'm fifty so I drink very little milk because it will make you fat as a hog if you're not in the gym four or five hours a day.
Various plants such as spinach have calcium but what is not mentioned is that the plant calcium is bound up in plant molecules and minimally bioavailable to us. We absorb only about 5% if that.
From my understanding it’s more of an issue with the c1 protein in milk these days vs c2 protein that used to be there. This leads to more inflammation and destroys inner lining of gut? Also chia seeds... lectins?
As a young kid I drank a gallon of milk a day up until the age of 13 or 14. I still love milk and buy only organic whole milk. I have been on a milk fast for about 30 days. And I feel great, I’m actually thinking of giving it up all together. I am 6’ 2” 190lbs of medium build and was always skinny as a kid. I Never had a weight problem. My mother was a housewife and cooked very healthy fresh food. Never went without fresh cooked and never trash food snacks. No chips or junk food. Home made cakes! Were the only sweets in the house. As a kid I had to ride my bike to the closest store to get candy. I am now 60 and may have to give up my beloved milk.